Richard's Coffin?

Who saw Big Dan Snow on The One Show and what did they think of it?

Yes I did see it. A possible coffin possibly from the church Richard
was buried in, but no indication as to who it belonged to. I guess
we'll have to wait to see it at the new battlefield centre, if they
ever find where the battle was that is!
Don't think Dan was too impressed. Still, we did at least get a
'there are two contrasting views of Richard III' before the item
began, so maybe we are getting somewhere.
Paul

On 17 Nov 2008, at 21:44, Stephen Lark wrote:

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Richard liveth yet

--- In , Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@...> wrote:

Does anybody have any opinions where Richards last resting place might be? Id like to
hear them. It seems the consensus is he may still be where he was originally buried -
Greyfriars - if he was interred in the ground and not in the tomb itself. I remember
seeing somewhere that a car park covers the area now. I dont know if this is true or not.
If so it could be possible one day he may be found and buried somewhere more fitting.
Realistically I know this is high unlikely but wouldnt it be wonderful. I dont think he was
ever hated in Leicester so why a mob should want to take his corpse, drag it through the
street and chuck it in the river does not make a lot of sense.
Eileen
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> Yes I did see it. A possible coffin possibly from the church Richard
> was buried in, but no indication as to who it belonged to. I guess
> we'll have to wait to see it at the new battlefield centre, if they
> ever find where the battle was that is!
> Don't think Dan was too impressed. Still, we did at least get a
> 'there are two contrasting views of Richard III' before the item
> began, so maybe we are getting somewhere.
> Paul
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> On 17 Nov 2008, at 21:44, Stephen Lark wrote:
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> > Who saw Big Dan Snow on The One Show and what did they think of it?
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> Richard liveth yet
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hello again Eileen,
I think opinion of late has been as you say, that perhaps Richard is
still in the ground somewhere beneath the car park that now covers
the site of Greyfriars. I baulked at the mention of the angry mob
tipping him into the river Soar, and think this may be urban myth to
excuse the locals from ransacking a holy building and helping
themselves to Abbey property when Henry VIII dissolved the
monasteries. Henry's agents did of course get most of the valuables
first! As you say Richard had no history with Leicester so the
citizens had little reason to hate him, or even dislike him. Of
course they could have been protesting that he lost the battle of
Bosworth, landing the country with the terrible Tudors!!
Paul


On 19 Nov 2008, at 23:10, eileen wrote:

> --- In , Paul Trevor Bale
> <paul.bale@...> wrote:
>
> Does anybody have any opinions where Richards last resting place
> might be? Id like to
> hear them. It seems the consensus is he may still be where he was
> originally buried -
> Greyfriars - if he was interred in the ground and not in the tomb
> itself. I remember
> seeing somewhere that a car park covers the area now. I dont know
> if this is true or not.
> If so it could be possible one day he may be found and buried
> somewhere more fitting.
> Realistically I know this is high unlikely but wouldnt it be
> wonderful. I dont think he was
> ever hated in Leicester so why a mob should want to take his
> corpse, drag it through the
> street and chuck it in the river does not make a lot of sense.
> Eileen
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>> Yes I did see it. A possible coffin possibly from the church Richard
>> was buried in, but no indication as to who it belonged to. I guess
>> we'll have to wait to see it at the new battlefield centre, if they
>> ever find where the battle was that is!
>> Don't think Dan was too impressed. Still, we did at least get a
>> 'there are two contrasting views of Richard III' before the item
>> began, so maybe we are getting somewhere.
>> Paul
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>> On 17 Nov 2008, at 21:44, Stephen Lark wrote:
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>>> Who saw Big Dan Snow on The One Show and what did they think of it?
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>> Richard liveth yet
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Richard liveth yet

On Nov 19, 2008, at 6:10 PM, eileen wrote:

> --- In , Paul Trevor Bale
> <paul.bale@...> wrote:
>
> Does anybody have any opinions where Richards last resting place
> might be? Id like to
> hear them. It seems the consensus is he may still be where he was
> originally buried -
> Greyfriars - if he was interred in the ground and not in the tomb
> itself. I remember
> seeing somewhere that a car park covers the area now. I dont know
> if this is true or not.

It's true. Well, it's true there's a car park next to the partial
wall, all that remains of the Abbey. Whether he's under there or not
is another matter.

> If so it could be possible one day he may be found and buried
> somewhere more fitting.
> Realistically I know this is high unlikely but wouldnt it be
> wonderful. I dont think he was
> ever hated in Leicester so why a mob should want to take his
> corpse, drag it through the
> street and chuck it in the river does not make a lot of sense.
> Eileen

No, it doesn't. And another plaque has been added next to the river
by the Society that that tradition has been basically discredited.

Gilda

--- In , Gilda Felt <gildaevf@...> wrote:
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> It's true. Well, it's true there's a car park next to the partial
> wall, all that remains of the Abbey. Whether he's under there or not
> is another matter.

If you Google map Leicester you can pinpoint the area where Greyfriars was - the area
encompassed by Friar Lane to the south,Grey Friars to the East,Peacock Lane to the North
and Southgate to the West. The area looks quite ropey and lots of car park. This is good
news as one day if that area is redeveloped they can do a dig there. Surely they would
know the whereabouts of the area that someone important would be buried possibly the
choir?

How typical of that shameless miser whose own tomb's estimated cost was£1257 6s 8d
compared to £100 for Richard's. Still I suppose at the time Greyfriars was a very peaceful
and beautiful place.
Eileen
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> > If so it could be possible one day he may be found and buried
> > somewhere more fitting.
> > Realistically I know this is high unlikely but wouldnt it be
> > wonderful. I dont think he was
> > ever hated in Leicester so why a mob should want to take his
> > corpse, drag it through the
> > street and chuck it in the river does not make a lot of sense.
> > Eileen
>
> No, it doesn't. And another plaque has been added next to the river
> by the Society that that tradition has been basically discredited.
>
> Gilda
>

--- In , Gilda Felt <gildaevf@...> wrote:
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>
>

>
> It's true. Well, it's true there's a car park next to the partial
> wall, all that remains of the Abbey. Whether he's under there or not
> is another matter.

If you Google map Leicester you can pinpoint the area where Greyfriars was - the area
encompassed by Friar Lane to the south,Grey Friars to the East,Peacock Lane to the North
and Southgate to the West. The area looks quite ropey and lots of car park. This is good
news as one day if that area is redeveloped they can do a dig there. Surely they would
know the whereabouts of the area that someone important would be buried possibly the
choir?

How typical of that shameless miser whose own tomb's estimated cost was£1257 6s 8d
compared to £100 for Richard's. Still I suppose at the time Greyfriars was a very peaceful
and beautiful place.
Eileen
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> > If so it could be possible one day he may be found and buried
> > somewhere more fitting.
> > Realistically I know this is high unlikely but wouldnt it be
> > wonderful. I dont think he was
> > ever hated in Leicester so why a mob should want to take his
> > corpse, drag it through the
> > street and chuck it in the river does not make a lot of sense.
> > Eileen
>
> No, it doesn't. And another plaque has been added next to the river
> by the Society that that tradition has been basically discredited.
>
> Gilda
>

--- In , "eileen" <ebatesparrot@...> wrote

Sorry that wrong - Henry paid £10 1s for Richard's tomb
Eileen
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> If you Google map Leicester you can pinpoint the area where Greyfriars was - the area
> encompassed by Friar Lane to the south,Grey Friars to the East,Peacock Lane to the
North
> and Southgate to the West. The area looks quite ropey and lots of car park. This is
good
> news as one day if that area is redeveloped they can do a dig there. Surely they would
> know the whereabouts of the area that someone important would be buried possibly
the
> choir?
>
> How typical of that shameless miser whose own tomb's estimated cost was£1257 6s 8d
> compared to £100 for Richard's. Still I suppose at the time Greyfriars was a very
peaceful
> and beautiful place.
> Eileen
> >
> > > If so it could be possible one day he may be found and buried
> > > somewhere more fitting.
> > > Realistically I know this is high unlikely but wouldnt it be
> > > wonderful. I dont think he was
> > > ever hated in Leicester so why a mob should want to take his
> > > corpse, drag it through the
> > > street and chuck it in the river does not make a lot of sense.
> > > Eileen
> >
> > No, it doesn't. And another plaque has been added next to the river
> > by the Society that that tradition has been basically discredited.
> >
> > Gilda
> >
>

Oddly enough today I came upon an article by David Baldwin about King
Richard's Grave. The jeering crowd incident is not recorded until 70
years after the dissolution of the Abbey. There is nothing ti suggest
anywhere that the local populace had any animosity towards their
former ruler, and he says "our best authority, Christopher Wren,
father of the architect, makes no mention of it in 1612. He was at
the time tutor to the son of Sir William Herrick former mayor of
Leicester whose brother had acquired the former abbey and built
himself a grand house on the site. One day, as Wren walked with him
in the grounds, the alderman showed him 'a handsome stone pillar,
three foot high which he had caused to be erected, on which was
inscribed the legend 'Here lies the Body of Richard III, some Time
King of England'. Most of the tomb seems to have disappeared but its
former position was still known." This is at the northern end of Grey
Friar's Street in modern day Leicester.
Paul


On 19 Nov 2008, at 23:10, eileen wrote:

> It seems the consensus is he may still be where he was originally
> buried -
> Greyfriars - if he was interred in the ground and not in the tomb
> itself. I remember
> seeing somewhere that a car park covers the area now. I dont know
> if this is true or not.
> If so it could be possible one day he may be found and buried
> somewhere more fitting.
> Realistically I know this is high unlikely but wouldnt it be
> wonderful. I dont think he was
> ever hated in Leicester so why a mob should want to take his
> corpse, drag it through the
> street and chuck it in the river does not make a lot of sense.

Richard liveth yet

Torrigiano didn't come cheap!
At least we have a wonderful effigy of Elizabeth of York to look at too!
Paul

On 20 Nov 2008, at 17:15, eileen wrote:

> How typical of that shameless miser whose own tomb's estimated cost
> was£1257 6s 8d
> compared to £100 for Richard's

Richard liveth yet