Plantagenet chroniclers?

Most of what we know of the reign of Richard III comes from Tudor chroniclers, Tudor historians, Tudor playwrights, Tudor supporters and a few foreigners, and from their writings mostly recorded years after the events. I can`t find any historians et al of the 15th and 16th centuries who give a Plantaganet view of events relating to his reign. This is of course mainly due (following Richard`s downfall) to Tudor suppression and/or destruction of all views but the Tudor ones, and mainly to bolster support of Henry`s extremely tenuous claim to the throne. Any support of Richard seems to come much later from questioning historians such as Walpole, up to our contemporary historians of today. "True" history belongs to the victors, but there is usually found some obverse records of views of the losers who were around at the time of events recorded.
Do any members of the group know of any, or am I asking a silly question?

there are no silly questions, in my opinion when it comes to researching r3 and his era. no one has hit on the definitive and provable answers to the questions regarding this topic...yet.
 
tiddly bits of clues still creep in via "lost" info found in family papers, archives around and about europe. and of course even in the "new world" there are records of the era that relate to r3. for instance, there is a beautiful e4 document in pennsylvania.
http://www.freelibrary.org/medieval/edward.htm
 
i use google books and archive.org to locate a lot of interesting reading. not all of it is pro richard, however, the on line tome sometimes will list primary and secondary source documents. lol..and then you get to google again. there are some pretty amazing finds on line.
 
i'd recommend reading the r3 society and the branches webpages to get a feel for what is known and theorised. reading the archives of this forum will net you some great discussions with great information.
 
good luch with your research.
 
roslyn
 


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Most of what we know of the reign of Richard III comes from Tudor chroniclers, Tudor historians, Tudor playwrights, Tudor supporters and a few foreigners, and from their writings mostly recorded years after the events. I can`t find any historians et al of the 15th and 16th centuries who give a Plantaganet view of events relating to his reign. This is of course mainly due (following Richard`s downfall) to Tudor suppression and/or destruction of all views but the Tudor ones, and mainly to bolster support of Henry`s extremely tenuous claim to the throne. Any support of Richard seems to come much later from questioning historians such as Walpole, up to our contemporary historians of today. "True" history belongs to the victors, but there is usually found some obverse records of views of the losers who were around at the time of events recorded.
Do any members of the group know of any, or am I asking a silly question?

For a good overall picture of the historiography, and an excellent read, I suggest Jeremy Potter's "Good King Richard?"


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there are no silly questions, in my opinion when it comes to researching r3 and his era. no one has hit on the definitive and provable answers to the questions regarding this topic...yet.

tiddly bits of clues still creep in via "lost" info found in family papers, archives around and about europe. and of course even in the "new world" there are records of the era that relate to r3. for instance, there is a beautiful e4 document in pennsylvania.
http://www.freelibrary.org/medieval/edward.htm

i use google books and archive.org to locate a lot of interesting reading. not all of it is pro richard, however, the on line tome sometimes will list primary and secondary source documents. lol..and then you get to google again. there are some pretty amazing finds on line.

i'd recommend reading the r3 society and the branches webpages to get a feel for what is known and theorised. reading the archives of this forum will net you some great discussions with great information.

good luch with your research.

roslyn


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Most of what we know of the reign of Richard III comes from Tudor chroniclers, Tudor historians, Tudor playwrights, Tudor supporters and a few foreigners, and from their writings mostly recorded years after the events. I can`t find any historians et al of the 15th and 16th centuries who give a Plantaganet view of events relating to his reign. This is of course mainly due (following Richard`s downfall) to Tudor suppression and/or destruction of all views but the Tudor ones, and mainly to bolster support of Henry`s extremely tenuous claim to the throne. Any support of Richard seems to come much later from questioning historians such as Walpole, up to our contemporary historians of today. "True" history belongs to the victors, but there is usually found some obverse records of views of the losers who were around at the time of events recorded.
Do any members of the group know of any, or am I asking a silly question?

Thanks Roslyn and Annette. I`ll take your advice. It`s difficult to know what and whom to believe when it comes to history. Academics seem to be at each other`s throats and debunking each other`s works for as much time as is spent on research. But perhaps I`m being too cynical. :-)
Paul.



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> For a good overall picture of the historiography, and an excellent read, I suggest Jeremy Potter's "Good King Richard?"
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: fayre rose
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 4:27 AM
> Subject: Re: Plantagenet chroniclers?
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> there are no silly questions, in my opinion when it comes to researching r3 and his era. no one has hit on the definitive and provable answers to the questions regarding this topic...yet.
>
> tiddly bits of clues still creep in via "lost" info found in family papers, archives around and about europe. and of course even in the "new world" there are records of the era that relate to r3. for instance, there is a beautiful e4 document in pennsylvania.
> http://www.freelibrary.org/medieval/edward.htm
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> i use google books and archive.org to locate a lot of interesting reading. not all of it is pro richard, however, the on line tome sometimes will list primary and secondary source documents. lol..and then you get to google again. there are some pretty amazing finds on line.
>
> i'd recommend reading the r3 society and the branches webpages to get a feel for what is known and theorised. reading the archives of this forum will net you some great discussions with great information.
>
> good luch with your research.
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> roslyn
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> Subject: Plantagenet chroniclers?
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