Questions, questions...

1. Further examination of the children`s bones interred in Westminster Abbey has to date been refused, but I can`t find the reason(s) given, or from what quarter the refusal came. ???

2. Who or whom, apart from Brackenbury and Argentine would have had access to the Princes whilst Richard was away on the royal progress?

3. One of the alleged perpetrators of the alleged murder of the Princes was a guy called Miles Forest. A certain Forest was discovered to have been a Keeper of the Wardrobe at Barnard Castle, the home of Richard's mother. Later during Henry VIII`s reign, a documented Miles Forrest, was granted King's favours.
"After the Dissolution, the manor of Morborne, with the house and grange of Ogerston in the same parish, lately the property of the Abbey of Crowland, was granted in 1540, with all appurtenances, to Miles Forrest, bailiff of the Abbot of Peterborough at Warmington in 1535."
Was this the same Miles Forest in old age, or perhaps a descendent of the alleged murderer?

Sorry to ask so many questions, but I`m working away from home at the moment and as such I only have the internet as a means of research. Most of the websites only generalise, and copy other websites.

Paul.

henry stafford, duke of buckingham was the constable of the tower. there are at least five contemporary documents that state buckingham was involved or responsible for the death of the princes. buckingham is reported to have advised richard to kill the boys. one portuguese source says buckingham did it by starving the boys to death.
 
roslyn

--- On Sun, 8/22/10, pneville49 <pneville49@...> wrote:


From: pneville49 <pneville49@...>
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1. Further examination of the children`s bones interred in Westminster Abbey has to date been refused, but I can`t find the reason(s) given, or from what quarter the refusal came. ???

2. Who or whom, apart from Brackenbury and Argentine would have had access to the Princes whilst Richard was away on the royal progress?

3. One of the alleged perpetrators of the alleged murder of the Princes was a guy called Miles Forest. A certain Forest was discovered to have been a Keeper of the Wardrobe at Barnard Castle, the home of Richard's mother. Later during Henry VIII`s reign, a documented Miles Forrest, was granted King's favours.
"After the Dissolution, the manor of Morborne, with the house and grange of Ogerston in the same parish, lately the property of the Abbey of Crowland, was granted in 1540, with all appurtenances, to Miles Forrest, bailiff of the Abbot of Peterborough at Warmington in 1535."
Was this the same Miles Forest in old age, or perhaps a descendent of the alleged murderer?

Sorry to ask so many questions, but I`m working away from home at the moment and as such I only have the internet as a means of research. Most of the websites only generalise, and copy other websites.

Paul.

Of course. I`d forgotten that Bucks was Constable of the Tower at the time. Which given his intrigues not only with and for Richard, but also with Morton and the Lady Margaret Beaufort (later also her son Henry Tudor) against Richard, together with the attendant Argentine, her former employer (I think), brings the Lady Margaret very much into play as also having access to the Princes` chamber. Wasn`t she in London at the time of the Princes` disappearance? At the moment she`s most definitely heading my list as the Princes` enemy No.1, especially as she had ambitions for her own son, and her own power through him.
But I`ve a long way to go. :-)

Paul.



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> henry stafford, duke of buckingham was the constable of the tower. there are at least five contemporary documents that state buckingham was involved or responsible for the death of the princes. buckingham is reported to have advised richard to kill the boys. one portuguese source says buckingham did it by starving the boys to death.
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> 1. Further examination of the children`s bones interred in Westminster Abbey has to date been refused, but I can`t find the reason(s) given, or from what quarter the refusal came. ???
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> 2. Who or whom, apart from Brackenbury and Argentine would have had access to the Princes whilst Richard was away on the royal progress?
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> 3. One of the alleged perpetrators of the alleged murder of the Princes was a guy called Miles Forest. A certain Forest was discovered to have been a Keeper of the Wardrobe at Barnard Castle, the home of Richard's mother. Later during Henry VIII`s reign, a documented Miles Forrest, was granted King's favours.
> "After the Dissolution, the manor of Morborne, with the house and grange of Ogerston in the same parish, lately the property of the Abbey of Crowland, was granted in 1540, with all appurtenances, to Miles Forrest, bailiff of the Abbot of Peterborough at Warmington in 1535."
> Was this the same Miles Forest in old age, or perhaps a descendent of the alleged murderer?
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> Sorry to ask so many questions, but I`m working away from home at the moment and as such I only have the internet as a means of research. Most of the websites only generalise, and copy other websites.
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Depends when you think the "disappearance" took place.

Richard G

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Wasn`t she in London at the time of the Princes` disappearance?

Quite so. :-) Isn`t that the crux of the matter? It`s definite they disappeared from their Tower chamber one way or another. I`m just starting to explore one avenue at the moment, mostly concerning the possible involvment of John Argentine in whatever occurred.
Paul.


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> Depends when you think the "disappearance" took place.
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> --- In , "pneville49" <pneville49@> wrote:
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> Wasn`t she in London at the time of the Princes` disappearance?
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Buckingham was Constable of England, not Constable of the Tower. Robert Brackenbury was made the Constable of the Tower on July 17, 1483.

Susan Higginbotham

--- In , "pneville49" <pneville49@...> wrote:
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> Of course. I`d forgotten that Bucks was Constable of the Tower at the time. Which given his intrigues not only with and for Richard, but also with Morton and the Lady Margaret Beaufort (later also her son Henry Tudor) against Richard, together with the attendant Argentine, her former employer (I think), brings the Lady Margaret very much into play as also having access to the Princes` chamber. Wasn`t she in London at the time of the Princes` disappearance? At the moment she`s most definitely heading my list as the Princes` enemy No.1, especially as she had ambitions for her own son, and her own power through him.
> But I`ve a long way to go. :-)
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> --- In , fayre rose <fayreroze@> wrote:
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> > henry stafford, duke of buckingham was the constable of the tower. there are at least five contemporary documents that state buckingham was involved or responsible for the death of the princes. buckingham is reported to have advised richard to kill the boys. one portuguese source says buckingham did it by starving the boys to death.
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> > --- On Sun, 8/22/10, pneville49 <pneville49@> wrote:
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> > From: pneville49 <pneville49@>
> > Subject: Questions, questions...
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> > Received: Sunday, August 22, 2010, 5:17 AM
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> > 1. Further examination of the children`s bones interred in Westminster Abbey has to date been refused, but I can`t find the reason(s) given, or from what quarter the refusal came. ???
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> > 2. Who or whom, apart from Brackenbury and Argentine would have had access to the Princes whilst Richard was away on the royal progress?
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> > 3. One of the alleged perpetrators of the alleged murder of the Princes was a guy called Miles Forest. A certain Forest was discovered to have been a Keeper of the Wardrobe at Barnard Castle, the home of Richard's mother. Later during Henry VIII`s reign, a documented Miles Forrest, was granted King's favours.
> > "After the Dissolution, the manor of Morborne, with the house and grange of Ogerston in the same parish, lately the property of the Abbey of Crowland, was granted in 1540, with all appurtenances, to Miles Forrest, bailiff of the Abbot of Peterborough at Warmington in 1535."
> > Was this the same Miles Forest in old age, or perhaps a descendent of the alleged murderer?
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> > Sorry to ask so many questions, but I`m working away from home at the moment and as such I only have the internet as a means of research. Most of the websites only generalise, and copy other websites.
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Thanks Susan. Would that mean Buckingham had a higher position of authority over Brackenbury at the time regarding accessibilty to the Tower and the Princes?

Paul.



--- In , "Susan" <shigginbotham2@...> wrote:
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> Buckingham was Constable of England, not Constable of the Tower. Robert Brackenbury was made the Constable of the Tower on July 17, 1483.
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> Susan Higginbotham
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> --- In , "pneville49" <pneville49@> wrote:
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> > Of course. I`d forgotten that Bucks was Constable of the Tower at the time. Which given his intrigues not only with and for Richard, but also with Morton and the Lady Margaret Beaufort (later also her son Henry Tudor) against Richard, together with the attendant Argentine, her former employer (I think), brings the Lady Margaret very much into play as also having access to the Princes` chamber. Wasn`t she in London at the time of the Princes` disappearance? At the moment she`s most definitely heading my list as the Princes` enemy No.1, especially as she had ambitions for her own son, and her own power through him.
> > But I`ve a long way to go. :-)
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> > --- In , fayre rose <fayreroze@> wrote:
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> > > henry stafford, duke of buckingham was the constable of the tower. there are at least five contemporary documents that state buckingham was involved or responsible for the death of the princes. buckingham is reported to have advised richard to kill the boys. one portuguese source says buckingham did it by starving the boys to death.
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> > > --- On Sun, 8/22/10, pneville49 <pneville49@> wrote:
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> > > From: pneville49 <pneville49@>
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> > > Received: Sunday, August 22, 2010, 5:17 AM
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> > > 1. Further examination of the children`s bones interred in Westminster Abbey has to date been refused, but I can`t find the reason(s) given, or from what quarter the refusal came. ???
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> > > 2. Who or whom, apart from Brackenbury and Argentine would have had access to the Princes whilst Richard was away on the royal progress?
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> > > 3. One of the alleged perpetrators of the alleged murder of the Princes was a guy called Miles Forest. A certain Forest was discovered to have been a Keeper of the Wardrobe at Barnard Castle, the home of Richard's mother. Later during Henry VIII`s reign, a documented Miles Forrest, was granted King's favours.
> > > "After the Dissolution, the manor of Morborne, with the house and grange of Ogerston in the same parish, lately the property of the Abbey of Crowland, was granted in 1540, with all appurtenances, to Miles Forrest, bailiff of the Abbot of Peterborough at Warmington in 1535."
> > > Was this the same Miles Forest in old age, or perhaps a descendent of the alleged murderer?
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> > > Sorry to ask so many questions, but I`m working away from home at the moment and as such I only have the internet as a means of research. Most of the websites only generalise, and copy other websites.
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