Fw: [Richard III Society Forum] Re: Richard's Baptismal Records

I saw these docs so many years ago, I cannot swear which were at Bodleian,
British Library, etc. There's a great site my friend Patty relies upon, but it
costs to belong. I'll ask. It accesses so many Patent Rolls, Registries, etc.,
the mind explodes after 15 minutes. I guess I could take a Xanax and dive right
in : D


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Does Ms. Stewart disprove all the complaints by Oxford et al.? I will accept
these reclamations with a grain of salt. Henry told the "libraries" to take a
long walk off a short pier, write if you find work, etc.

We do know vast numbers of items lent to Vergil never resurfaced. Some went to
Rome, but my contact at Specola Vaticano says they're not in a cardboard box in
the basements of any Roman churches he knows of. Their exact fate remains
academic (i.e, moot) as to buried, burned, torn up for souvenirs : )

I do not much like the Second Continuator of Crowland, but sometimes we accept
what he says (it appears) and sometimes we don't.

Query: Where does the suggestion that John Russell was 2nd Cont. originate? Old
folks long to know.

Judy



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Subject: Re: Richard's Baptismal Records


I'm not convinced that Richard was a "sickly" baby any more or less than
any baby born then. The first year of life was (is?) the most vulnerable
and "Cis" was already 38 when she had Richard, her twelfth birth. So, my
guess is that all the children would get baptized as quickly after the
birth as was possible.

There's an interesting article regarding Polydore Vergil on the American
Branch website: In Defense of the Angelica Historia and Polydore Vergil
by Johanna Stewart <http://www.r3.org/bookcase/polydor3.html> where
Stewart disputes Vergil's mass destruction of extant documents. Bottom
line, just because we don't like what Vergil wrote is not grounds for
dismissing it.

Joan
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--- In , "J. T," <treenbagh@...>
wrote:
>
> This is just a guess but if Richard was a small and sickly baby,
he may have been baptised immediatety or shortly after birth with only
the birth attendents as witnesses. It was a practice of th Church to do
that if there was a chance the child would die rather than live. Once
babtism is performed in the Catholic Church, it cannot be done again
since it is a sacrament that is conferred only once. So Richard may not
have had a church baptism at all. It was more important to save the
soul of the child with a quick baptism.
>
> L.M.L.,
> Janet T.
>