Richard bashing again
Richard bashing again
2011-05-13 18:12:09
After the expected anti-Yorkist bias of the introduction by David Starkey I started to read Fatal Colours, George Goodwin's book on Towton, that turns out to be more a book about the first part of the Wars of the Roses, covering as it does the period from the death of Henry V on. I should have recognised early on that Goodwin is writing with an incredible Lancastrian bias, especially when he calls Henry V the greatest monarch ever to sit on the English throne! You are joking sir are you not? Taking a country to war to avoid a civil conflict is not what I call the action of a great monarch. Henry II is in my mind the greatest, certainly not the Fifth.
Anyway I got past that. But today I got really annoyed again when I read this....
"York did not have an easy rapport with people, and certainly not his peers. He was however fanatically loyal to his advisers and immediate subordinates. Though not immune to indecisions he was a man who, once decided on action, could be as remorseless as his youngest on Richard III."
This is supposedly a book about Towton, a battle that took place in 1461 when Richard was only 9 years old, so what's with the Richard bashing? Having it in the introduction was bad enough but at least that was written by the eternal Richard hater and Tudor lover Starkey. It does not belong here, not that it belongs anywhere in my opinion of course!
For such a readable book to besmirch itself with such unnecessary comments is demeaning to say the least. I hope there will be no more, but I doubt it.
Paul
Anyway I got past that. But today I got really annoyed again when I read this....
"York did not have an easy rapport with people, and certainly not his peers. He was however fanatically loyal to his advisers and immediate subordinates. Though not immune to indecisions he was a man who, once decided on action, could be as remorseless as his youngest on Richard III."
This is supposedly a book about Towton, a battle that took place in 1461 when Richard was only 9 years old, so what's with the Richard bashing? Having it in the introduction was bad enough but at least that was written by the eternal Richard hater and Tudor lover Starkey. It does not belong here, not that it belongs anywhere in my opinion of course!
For such a readable book to besmirch itself with such unnecessary comments is demeaning to say the least. I hope there will be no more, but I doubt it.
Paul
Re: Richard bashing again
2011-05-13 20:19:48
________________________________
From: Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@...>
To: RichardIIISociety forum <>
Sent: Fri, May 13, 2011 6:12:00 PM
Subject: Richard bashing again
After hearing George Goodwin's talk when he was trying to sell his book.I won't
be buying anything he writes'cheap and nasty without the cheap,
After the expected anti-Yorkist bias of the introduction by David Starkey I
started to read Fatal Colours, George Goodwin's book on Towton, that turns out
to be more a book about the first part of the Wars of the Roses, covering as it
does the period from the death of Henry V on. I should have recognised early on
that Goodwin is writing with an incredible Lancastrian bias, especially when he
calls Henry V the greatest monarch ever to sit on the English throne! You are
joking sir are you not? Taking a country to war to avoid a civil conflict is not
what I call the action of a great monarch. Henry II is in my mind the greatest,
certainly not the Fifth.
Anyway I got past that. But today I got really annoyed again when I read
this....
"York did not have an easy rapport with people, and certainly not his peers. He
was however fanatically loyal to his advisers and immediate subordinates. Though
not immune to indecisions he was a man who, once decided on action, could be as
remorseless as his youngest on Richard III."
This is supposedly a book about Towton, a battle that took place in 1461 when
Richard was only 9 years old, so what's with the Richard bashing? Having it in
the introduction was bad enough but at least that was written by the eternal
Richard hater and Tudor lover Starkey. It does not belong here, not that it
belongs anywhere in my opinion of course!
For such a readable book to besmirch itself with such unnecessary comments is
demeaning to say the least. I hope there will be no more, but I doubt it.
Paul
From: Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@...>
To: RichardIIISociety forum <>
Sent: Fri, May 13, 2011 6:12:00 PM
Subject: Richard bashing again
After hearing George Goodwin's talk when he was trying to sell his book.I won't
be buying anything he writes'cheap and nasty without the cheap,
After the expected anti-Yorkist bias of the introduction by David Starkey I
started to read Fatal Colours, George Goodwin's book on Towton, that turns out
to be more a book about the first part of the Wars of the Roses, covering as it
does the period from the death of Henry V on. I should have recognised early on
that Goodwin is writing with an incredible Lancastrian bias, especially when he
calls Henry V the greatest monarch ever to sit on the English throne! You are
joking sir are you not? Taking a country to war to avoid a civil conflict is not
what I call the action of a great monarch. Henry II is in my mind the greatest,
certainly not the Fifth.
Anyway I got past that. But today I got really annoyed again when I read
this....
"York did not have an easy rapport with people, and certainly not his peers. He
was however fanatically loyal to his advisers and immediate subordinates. Though
not immune to indecisions he was a man who, once decided on action, could be as
remorseless as his youngest on Richard III."
This is supposedly a book about Towton, a battle that took place in 1461 when
Richard was only 9 years old, so what's with the Richard bashing? Having it in
the introduction was bad enough but at least that was written by the eternal
Richard hater and Tudor lover Starkey. It does not belong here, not that it
belongs anywhere in my opinion of course!
For such a readable book to besmirch itself with such unnecessary comments is
demeaning to say the least. I hope there will be no more, but I doubt it.
Paul
Re: Richard bashing again
2011-05-13 20:47:08
Had I known before I would have got it from the library instead of buying it. There is an interesting section on Henry VI's illness which he says was schizophrenia, and backs up with some effective research. But the bias of the rest is hard to take.
Paul
On 13 May 2011, at 20:19, carole jenkins wrote:
> After hearing George Goodwin's talk when he was trying to sell his book.I won't
> be buying anything he writes'cheap and nasty without the cheap,
Paul
On 13 May 2011, at 20:19, carole jenkins wrote:
> After hearing George Goodwin's talk when he was trying to sell his book.I won't
> be buying anything he writes'cheap and nasty without the cheap,
Re: Richard bashing again
2011-05-13 22:45:49
Ah, a diagnosis of Schiz. is the one I've been floating by pure "chance." Thanks!
While it's difficult to judge people at a remove, Kay R. Jamison (Johns Hopkins) has done some admirable work in re: Bipolar Disorder and Clinical Depression in people long deceased.
Judy
________________________________
From: Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@...>
To:
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 2:47 PM
Subject: Re: Richard bashing again
Had I known before I would have got it from the library instead of buying it. There is an interesting section on Henry VI's illness which he says was schizophrenia, and backs up with some effective research. But the bias of the rest is hard to take.
Paul
On 13 May 2011, at 20:19, carole jenkins wrote:
> After hearing George Goodwin's talk when he was trying to sell his book.I won't
> be buying anything he writes'cheap and nasty without the cheap,
While it's difficult to judge people at a remove, Kay R. Jamison (Johns Hopkins) has done some admirable work in re: Bipolar Disorder and Clinical Depression in people long deceased.
Judy
________________________________
From: Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@...>
To:
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 2:47 PM
Subject: Re: Richard bashing again
Had I known before I would have got it from the library instead of buying it. There is an interesting section on Henry VI's illness which he says was schizophrenia, and backs up with some effective research. But the bias of the rest is hard to take.
Paul
On 13 May 2011, at 20:19, carole jenkins wrote:
> After hearing George Goodwin's talk when he was trying to sell his book.I won't
> be buying anything he writes'cheap and nasty without the cheap,
Re: Richard bashing again
2011-05-14 09:38:12
Fatal Colours chapter 4 pages 48 - 59. Worth reading.
Paul
On 13 May 2011, at 22:45, Judy Thomson wrote:
> Ah, a diagnosis of Schiz. is the one I've been floating by pure "chance." Thanks!
Paul
On 13 May 2011, at 22:45, Judy Thomson wrote:
> Ah, a diagnosis of Schiz. is the one I've been floating by pure "chance." Thanks!
Re: Richard bashing again
2011-05-16 14:17:13
have you investigated the possible cause of h6's mental breakdowns as being caused by alchemical poisoning?
rulers of the era were drinking some pretty weird concoctions by today's standards and knowledge. most were after the philosopher's stone, and lined up to be guinea pigs.
the phil stone was rumoured to grant immortality and to be able to turn base metals into gold.
one of the ingredients of the philosopher's stone recipe was mercury. wikipedia says..
"Symptoms typically include sensory impairment (vision, hearing, speech), disturbed sensation and a lack of coordination. The type and degree of symptoms exhibited depend upon the individual toxin, the dose, and the method and duration of exposure."
from what i've learned about h6, he was as "mad as a hatter". a phrase that came into our language because the hatters used mercury to "cure" their hats. h6 also granted rights to assorted people to do alchemical research.
roslyn
--- On Fri, 5/13/11, Judy Thomson <judygerard.thomson@...> wrote:
From: Judy Thomson <judygerard.thomson@...>
Subject: Re: Richard bashing again
To: "" <>
Received: Friday, May 13, 2011, 5:45 PM
Ah, a diagnosis of Schiz. is the one I've been floating by pure "chance." Thanks!
While it's difficult to judge people at a remove, Kay R. Jamison (Johns Hopkins) has done some admirable work in re: Bipolar Disorder and Clinical Depression in people long deceased.
Judy
________________________________
From: Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@...>
To:
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 2:47 PM
Subject: Re: Richard bashing again
Had I known before I would have got it from the library instead of buying it. There is an interesting section on Henry VI's illness which he says was schizophrenia, and backs up with some effective research. But the bias of the rest is hard to take.
Paul
On 13 May 2011, at 20:19, carole jenkins wrote:
> After hearing George Goodwin's talk when he was trying to sell his book.I won't
> be buying anything he writes'cheap and nasty without the cheap,
rulers of the era were drinking some pretty weird concoctions by today's standards and knowledge. most were after the philosopher's stone, and lined up to be guinea pigs.
the phil stone was rumoured to grant immortality and to be able to turn base metals into gold.
one of the ingredients of the philosopher's stone recipe was mercury. wikipedia says..
"Symptoms typically include sensory impairment (vision, hearing, speech), disturbed sensation and a lack of coordination. The type and degree of symptoms exhibited depend upon the individual toxin, the dose, and the method and duration of exposure."
from what i've learned about h6, he was as "mad as a hatter". a phrase that came into our language because the hatters used mercury to "cure" their hats. h6 also granted rights to assorted people to do alchemical research.
roslyn
--- On Fri, 5/13/11, Judy Thomson <judygerard.thomson@...> wrote:
From: Judy Thomson <judygerard.thomson@...>
Subject: Re: Richard bashing again
To: "" <>
Received: Friday, May 13, 2011, 5:45 PM
Ah, a diagnosis of Schiz. is the one I've been floating by pure "chance." Thanks!
While it's difficult to judge people at a remove, Kay R. Jamison (Johns Hopkins) has done some admirable work in re: Bipolar Disorder and Clinical Depression in people long deceased.
Judy
________________________________
From: Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@...>
To:
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 2:47 PM
Subject: Re: Richard bashing again
Had I known before I would have got it from the library instead of buying it. There is an interesting section on Henry VI's illness which he says was schizophrenia, and backs up with some effective research. But the bias of the rest is hard to take.
Paul
On 13 May 2011, at 20:19, carole jenkins wrote:
> After hearing George Goodwin's talk when he was trying to sell his book.I won't
> be buying anything he writes'cheap and nasty without the cheap,
Re: Richard bashing again
2011-05-16 16:13:10
This is also quite possible
________________________________
From: fayre rose <fayreroze@...>
To:
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 8:17 AM
Subject: Re: Richard bashing again
have you investigated the possible cause of h6's mental breakdowns as being caused by alchemical poisoning?
rulers of the era were drinking some pretty weird concoctions by today's standards and knowledge. most were after the philosopher's stone, and lined up to be guinea pigs.
the phil stone was rumoured to grant immortality and to be able to turn base metals into gold.
one of the ingredients of the philosopher's stone recipe was mercury. wikipedia says..
"Symptoms typically include sensory impairment (vision, hearing, speech), disturbed sensation and a lack of coordination. The type and degree of symptoms exhibited depend upon the individual toxin, the dose, and the method and duration of exposure."
from what i've learned about h6, he was as "mad as a hatter". a phrase that came into our language because the hatters used mercury to "cure" their hats. h6 also granted rights to assorted people to do alchemical research.
roslyn
--- On Fri, 5/13/11, Judy Thomson <judygerard.thomson@...> wrote:
From: Judy Thomson <judygerard.thomson@...>
Subject: Re: Richard bashing again
To: "" <>
Received: Friday, May 13, 2011, 5:45 PM
Ah, a diagnosis of Schiz. is the one I've been floating by pure "chance." Thanks!
While it's difficult to judge people at a remove, Kay R. Jamison (Johns Hopkins) has done some admirable work in re: Bipolar Disorder and Clinical Depression in people long deceased.
Judy
________________________________
From: Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@...>
To:
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 2:47 PM
Subject: Re: Richard bashing again
Had I known before I would have got it from the library instead of buying it. There is an interesting section on Henry VI's illness which he says was schizophrenia, and backs up with some effective research. But the bias of the rest is hard to take.
Paul
On 13 May 2011, at 20:19, carole jenkins wrote:
> After hearing George Goodwin's talk when he was trying to sell his book.I won't
> be buying anything he writes'cheap and nasty without the cheap,
________________________________
From: fayre rose <fayreroze@...>
To:
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 8:17 AM
Subject: Re: Richard bashing again
have you investigated the possible cause of h6's mental breakdowns as being caused by alchemical poisoning?
rulers of the era were drinking some pretty weird concoctions by today's standards and knowledge. most were after the philosopher's stone, and lined up to be guinea pigs.
the phil stone was rumoured to grant immortality and to be able to turn base metals into gold.
one of the ingredients of the philosopher's stone recipe was mercury. wikipedia says..
"Symptoms typically include sensory impairment (vision, hearing, speech), disturbed sensation and a lack of coordination. The type and degree of symptoms exhibited depend upon the individual toxin, the dose, and the method and duration of exposure."
from what i've learned about h6, he was as "mad as a hatter". a phrase that came into our language because the hatters used mercury to "cure" their hats. h6 also granted rights to assorted people to do alchemical research.
roslyn
--- On Fri, 5/13/11, Judy Thomson <judygerard.thomson@...> wrote:
From: Judy Thomson <judygerard.thomson@...>
Subject: Re: Richard bashing again
To: "" <>
Received: Friday, May 13, 2011, 5:45 PM
Ah, a diagnosis of Schiz. is the one I've been floating by pure "chance." Thanks!
While it's difficult to judge people at a remove, Kay R. Jamison (Johns Hopkins) has done some admirable work in re: Bipolar Disorder and Clinical Depression in people long deceased.
Judy
________________________________
From: Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@...>
To:
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 2:47 PM
Subject: Re: Richard bashing again
Had I known before I would have got it from the library instead of buying it. There is an interesting section on Henry VI's illness which he says was schizophrenia, and backs up with some effective research. But the bias of the rest is hard to take.
Paul
On 13 May 2011, at 20:19, carole jenkins wrote:
> After hearing George Goodwin's talk when he was trying to sell his book.I won't
> be buying anything he writes'cheap and nasty without the cheap,
Re: Richard bashing again
2011-05-16 16:27:48
Why would Henry VI drink mercury or anything containing it? And if it was in something served at his court why did nobody else become afflicted in a similar fashion?
Schizophrenia does look the logical and sensible reason to me.
Paul
On 16 May 2011, at 16:13, Judy Thomson wrote:
> This is also quite possible
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: fayre rose <fayreroze@...>
> To:
> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 8:17 AM
> Subject: Re: Richard bashing again
>
>
>
> have you investigated the possible cause of h6's mental breakdowns as being caused by alchemical poisoning?
>
> rulers of the era were drinking some pretty weird concoctions by today's standards and knowledge. most were after the philosopher's stone, and lined up to be guinea pigs.
> the phil stone was rumoured to grant immortality and to be able to turn base metals into gold.
>
> one of the ingredients of the philosopher's stone recipe was mercury. wikipedia says..
> "Symptoms typically include sensory impairment (vision, hearing, speech), disturbed sensation and a lack of coordination. The type and degree of symptoms exhibited depend upon the individual toxin, the dose, and the method and duration of exposure."
>
> from what i've learned about h6, he was as "mad as a hatter". a phrase that came into our language because the hatters used mercury to "cure" their hats. h6 also granted rights to assorted people to do alchemical research.
>
> roslyn
>
> --- On Fri, 5/13/11, Judy Thomson <judygerard.thomson@...> wrote:
>
> From: Judy Thomson <judygerard.thomson@...>
> Subject: Re: Richard bashing again
> To: "" <>
> Received: Friday, May 13, 2011, 5:45 PM
>
>
>
> Ah, a diagnosis of Schiz. is the one I've been floating by pure "chance." Thanks!
>
> While it's difficult to judge people at a remove, Kay R. Jamison (Johns Hopkins) has done some admirable work in re: Bipolar Disorder and Clinical Depression in people long deceased.
>
> Judy
>
> ________________________________
> From: Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@...>
> To:
> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 2:47 PM
> Subject: Re: Richard bashing again
>
>
> Had I known before I would have got it from the library instead of buying it. There is an interesting section on Henry VI's illness which he says was schizophrenia, and backs up with some effective research. But the bias of the rest is hard to take.
> Paul
>
> On 13 May 2011, at 20:19, carole jenkins wrote:
>
>> After hearing George Goodwin's talk when he was trying to sell his book.I won't
>> be buying anything he writes'cheap and nasty without the cheap,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
Schizophrenia does look the logical and sensible reason to me.
Paul
On 16 May 2011, at 16:13, Judy Thomson wrote:
> This is also quite possible
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: fayre rose <fayreroze@...>
> To:
> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 8:17 AM
> Subject: Re: Richard bashing again
>
>
>
> have you investigated the possible cause of h6's mental breakdowns as being caused by alchemical poisoning?
>
> rulers of the era were drinking some pretty weird concoctions by today's standards and knowledge. most were after the philosopher's stone, and lined up to be guinea pigs.
> the phil stone was rumoured to grant immortality and to be able to turn base metals into gold.
>
> one of the ingredients of the philosopher's stone recipe was mercury. wikipedia says..
> "Symptoms typically include sensory impairment (vision, hearing, speech), disturbed sensation and a lack of coordination. The type and degree of symptoms exhibited depend upon the individual toxin, the dose, and the method and duration of exposure."
>
> from what i've learned about h6, he was as "mad as a hatter". a phrase that came into our language because the hatters used mercury to "cure" their hats. h6 also granted rights to assorted people to do alchemical research.
>
> roslyn
>
> --- On Fri, 5/13/11, Judy Thomson <judygerard.thomson@...> wrote:
>
> From: Judy Thomson <judygerard.thomson@...>
> Subject: Re: Richard bashing again
> To: "" <>
> Received: Friday, May 13, 2011, 5:45 PM
>
>
>
> Ah, a diagnosis of Schiz. is the one I've been floating by pure "chance." Thanks!
>
> While it's difficult to judge people at a remove, Kay R. Jamison (Johns Hopkins) has done some admirable work in re: Bipolar Disorder and Clinical Depression in people long deceased.
>
> Judy
>
> ________________________________
> From: Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@...>
> To:
> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 2:47 PM
> Subject: Re: Richard bashing again
>
>
> Had I known before I would have got it from the library instead of buying it. There is an interesting section on Henry VI's illness which he says was schizophrenia, and backs up with some effective research. But the bias of the rest is hard to take.
> Paul
>
> On 13 May 2011, at 20:19, carole jenkins wrote:
>
>> After hearing George Goodwin's talk when he was trying to sell his book.I won't
>> be buying anything he writes'cheap and nasty without the cheap,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
Re: Richard bashing again
2011-05-16 17:48:26
why did they ingest arsenic? etc. it was for medical and/or supernatual powers.
the king had the most right to be immortal vs the lower ranking nobles (dukes, earls, etc.), ergo it would be the king who would drink the "magic" potions.
what caused the schizophrenia like symptoms? it is rumoured he inherited them via his maternal grandfather, charles the mad valois. however the quest for the phil stone had been going on for a few centuries prior to charles and his grandson, h6. these medieval monarchs were always on a quest for more power and control.
in addition, if we bring margaret d'anjou into the picture, her father, rene employed nostradamous's maternal grandfather as the court physican/magician. also remember that magician is derived from the word magi. the magi were the "learned ones" who "knew" the secrets of the ancients.
this is the era that gives us our "fairy tales" and magicans with pointy hats with all the symbols adorning them. the pointy hat was to act like a personal pyramid to draw the power and energy from god/universe. the symbols were too enhance specific powers to be drawn upon.
in the 20th C. aka our more modern age.."ahem"..children are often depicted sporting the "dunce cap". the dunce cap is a left-over from the age of mystism, and again supposed bestow wisdom upon its wearer.
prior to the protestant reformation, people were incredibly superstitious and very open to "new age" info brought back by the crusaders. they didn't have the internet. info could take decades and centuries to be shared, especially prior to the invention of the printing press.
roslyn
--- On Mon, 5/16/11, Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@...> wrote:
From: Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@...>
Subject: Re: Richard bashing again
To:
Received: Monday, May 16, 2011, 11:27 AM
Why would Henry VI drink mercury or anything containing it? And if it was in something served at his court why did nobody else become afflicted in a similar fashion?
Schizophrenia does look the logical and sensible reason to me.
Paul
On 16 May 2011, at 16:13, Judy Thomson wrote:
> This is also quite possible
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: fayre rose <fayreroze@...>
> To:
> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 8:17 AM
> Subject: Re: Richard bashing again
>
>
>
> have you investigated the possible cause of h6's mental breakdowns as being caused by alchemical poisoning?
>
> rulers of the era were drinking some pretty weird concoctions by today's standards and knowledge. most were after the philosopher's stone, and lined up to be guinea pigs.
> the phil stone was rumoured to grant immortality and to be able to turn base metals into gold.
>
> one of the ingredients of the philosopher's stone recipe was mercury. wikipedia says..
> "Symptoms typically include sensory impairment (vision, hearing, speech), disturbed sensation and a lack of coordination. The type and degree of symptoms exhibited depend upon the individual toxin, the dose, and the method and duration of exposure."
>
> from what i've learned about h6, he was as "mad as a hatter". a phrase that came into our language because the hatters used mercury to "cure" their hats. h6 also granted rights to assorted people to do alchemical research.
>
> roslyn
>
> --- On Fri, 5/13/11, Judy Thomson <judygerard.thomson@...> wrote:
>
> From: Judy Thomson <judygerard.thomson@...>
> Subject: Re: Richard bashing again
> To: "" <>
> Received: Friday, May 13, 2011, 5:45 PM
>
>
>
> Ah, a diagnosis of Schiz. is the one I've been floating by pure "chance." Thanks!
>
> While it's difficult to judge people at a remove, Kay R. Jamison (Johns Hopkins) has done some admirable work in re: Bipolar Disorder and Clinical Depression in people long deceased.
>
> Judy
>
> ________________________________
> From: Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@...>
> To:
> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 2:47 PM
> Subject: Re: Richard bashing again
>
>
> Had I known before I would have got it from the library instead of buying it. There is an interesting section on Henry VI's illness which he says was schizophrenia, and backs up with some effective research. But the bias of the rest is hard to take.
> Paul
>
> On 13 May 2011, at 20:19, carole jenkins wrote:
>
>> After hearing George Goodwin's talk when he was trying to sell his book.I won't
>> be buying anything he writes'cheap and nasty without the cheap,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
the king had the most right to be immortal vs the lower ranking nobles (dukes, earls, etc.), ergo it would be the king who would drink the "magic" potions.
what caused the schizophrenia like symptoms? it is rumoured he inherited them via his maternal grandfather, charles the mad valois. however the quest for the phil stone had been going on for a few centuries prior to charles and his grandson, h6. these medieval monarchs were always on a quest for more power and control.
in addition, if we bring margaret d'anjou into the picture, her father, rene employed nostradamous's maternal grandfather as the court physican/magician. also remember that magician is derived from the word magi. the magi were the "learned ones" who "knew" the secrets of the ancients.
this is the era that gives us our "fairy tales" and magicans with pointy hats with all the symbols adorning them. the pointy hat was to act like a personal pyramid to draw the power and energy from god/universe. the symbols were too enhance specific powers to be drawn upon.
in the 20th C. aka our more modern age.."ahem"..children are often depicted sporting the "dunce cap". the dunce cap is a left-over from the age of mystism, and again supposed bestow wisdom upon its wearer.
prior to the protestant reformation, people were incredibly superstitious and very open to "new age" info brought back by the crusaders. they didn't have the internet. info could take decades and centuries to be shared, especially prior to the invention of the printing press.
roslyn
--- On Mon, 5/16/11, Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@...> wrote:
From: Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@...>
Subject: Re: Richard bashing again
To:
Received: Monday, May 16, 2011, 11:27 AM
Why would Henry VI drink mercury or anything containing it? And if it was in something served at his court why did nobody else become afflicted in a similar fashion?
Schizophrenia does look the logical and sensible reason to me.
Paul
On 16 May 2011, at 16:13, Judy Thomson wrote:
> This is also quite possible
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: fayre rose <fayreroze@...>
> To:
> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 8:17 AM
> Subject: Re: Richard bashing again
>
>
>
> have you investigated the possible cause of h6's mental breakdowns as being caused by alchemical poisoning?
>
> rulers of the era were drinking some pretty weird concoctions by today's standards and knowledge. most were after the philosopher's stone, and lined up to be guinea pigs.
> the phil stone was rumoured to grant immortality and to be able to turn base metals into gold.
>
> one of the ingredients of the philosopher's stone recipe was mercury. wikipedia says..
> "Symptoms typically include sensory impairment (vision, hearing, speech), disturbed sensation and a lack of coordination. The type and degree of symptoms exhibited depend upon the individual toxin, the dose, and the method and duration of exposure."
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> from what i've learned about h6, he was as "mad as a hatter". a phrase that came into our language because the hatters used mercury to "cure" their hats. h6 also granted rights to assorted people to do alchemical research.
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> roslyn
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> --- On Fri, 5/13/11, Judy Thomson <judygerard.thomson@...> wrote:
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> From: Judy Thomson <judygerard.thomson@...>
> Subject: Re: Richard bashing again
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> Received: Friday, May 13, 2011, 5:45 PM
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> Ah, a diagnosis of Schiz. is the one I've been floating by pure "chance." Thanks!
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> While it's difficult to judge people at a remove, Kay R. Jamison (Johns Hopkins) has done some admirable work in re: Bipolar Disorder and Clinical Depression in people long deceased.
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> Judy
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> From: Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@...>
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> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 2:47 PM
> Subject: Re: Richard bashing again
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> Had I known before I would have got it from the library instead of buying it. There is an interesting section on Henry VI's illness which he says was schizophrenia, and backs up with some effective research. But the bias of the rest is hard to take.
> Paul
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> On 13 May 2011, at 20:19, carole jenkins wrote:
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>> After hearing George Goodwin's talk when he was trying to sell his book.I won't
>> be buying anything he writes'cheap and nasty without the cheap,
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