Questions, questions!
Questions, questions!
2011-09-08 21:03:02
Please bear with me, Im new to this site. Writing a "factual" book about "Richard III made easy" hopefully! A new concept? Have chewed too many carpets reading Philippa Gregory and co, ye Gods! So to my questions.
Although trained as a journalist I'm at a loss to know about copyright today. I want to use many pictures, from the NPG to other places but especially the Middleham Statue. Have contacted Linda with no results. What to do now?
Also I need to know where the Hastings letter warning Richard about the Woodville coup came from. I can't trace it.
Can anyone help? Or refer me to a place that could?
Another question...My father was rector of Grafton Regis when I was a child I know the area so,"Why the Stony Stratford Coup"? Rivers said the rendezvous could not take place at Northampton - no room! He had to go onto Stony Stratford, a small village on the A5 to London. In so doing Rivers actually passed the turning to Grafton. Later, Grafton, would host the last meeting of Cardinals Compeggio and Wolsey complete with "trains". A side issue question? Personally I think not.
Thankyou for your patience and look forward to your suggestions.
Although trained as a journalist I'm at a loss to know about copyright today. I want to use many pictures, from the NPG to other places but especially the Middleham Statue. Have contacted Linda with no results. What to do now?
Also I need to know where the Hastings letter warning Richard about the Woodville coup came from. I can't trace it.
Can anyone help? Or refer me to a place that could?
Another question...My father was rector of Grafton Regis when I was a child I know the area so,"Why the Stony Stratford Coup"? Rivers said the rendezvous could not take place at Northampton - no room! He had to go onto Stony Stratford, a small village on the A5 to London. In so doing Rivers actually passed the turning to Grafton. Later, Grafton, would host the last meeting of Cardinals Compeggio and Wolsey complete with "trains". A side issue question? Personally I think not.
Thankyou for your patience and look forward to your suggestions.
Re: Questions, questions!
2011-09-08 21:16:35
Why Stony Stratford? So the concrete cows wouldn't get in the way.
----- Original Message -----
From: pippabowen
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Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 9:03 PM
Subject: Questions, questions!
Please bear with me, Im new to this site. Writing a "factual" book about "Richard III made easy" hopefully! A new concept? Have chewed too many carpets reading Philippa Gregory and co, ye Gods! So to my questions.
Although trained as a journalist I'm at a loss to know about copyright today. I want to use many pictures, from the NPG to other places but especially the Middleham Statue. Have contacted Linda with no results. What to do now?
Also I need to know where the Hastings letter warning Richard about the Woodville coup came from. I can't trace it.
Can anyone help? Or refer me to a place that could?
Another question...My father was rector of Grafton Regis when I was a child I know the area so,"Why the Stony Stratford Coup"? Rivers said the rendezvous could not take place at Northampton - no room! He had to go onto Stony Stratford, a small village on the A5 to London. In so doing Rivers actually passed the turning to Grafton. Later, Grafton, would host the last meeting of Cardinals Compeggio and Wolsey complete with "trains". A side issue question? Personally I think not.
Thankyou for your patience and look forward to your suggestions.
----- Original Message -----
From: pippabowen
To:
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 9:03 PM
Subject: Questions, questions!
Please bear with me, Im new to this site. Writing a "factual" book about "Richard III made easy" hopefully! A new concept? Have chewed too many carpets reading Philippa Gregory and co, ye Gods! So to my questions.
Although trained as a journalist I'm at a loss to know about copyright today. I want to use many pictures, from the NPG to other places but especially the Middleham Statue. Have contacted Linda with no results. What to do now?
Also I need to know where the Hastings letter warning Richard about the Woodville coup came from. I can't trace it.
Can anyone help? Or refer me to a place that could?
Another question...My father was rector of Grafton Regis when I was a child I know the area so,"Why the Stony Stratford Coup"? Rivers said the rendezvous could not take place at Northampton - no room! He had to go onto Stony Stratford, a small village on the A5 to London. In so doing Rivers actually passed the turning to Grafton. Later, Grafton, would host the last meeting of Cardinals Compeggio and Wolsey complete with "trains". A side issue question? Personally I think not.
Thankyou for your patience and look forward to your suggestions.
Re: Questions, questions!
2011-09-21 11:28:19
Hello Pippa, and welcome to the forum from me. Sorry to say I have been snowed under these past few weeks, so this is the first opportunity I've had to catch up with non-urgent matters. (At least I hope your query wasn't urgent!) I am not sure who Linda is, or whether other members have responded to you, but if they have I haven't seen their replies. So here goes.
First, regarding photographs. The copyright in a photograph resides with the photographer (unless s/he sells or assigns it to someone else). Note that some museums and galleries forbid photography, but you are free to use any photos you have legally taken - so I'm sure you are OK with any pictures you've personally taken of the Middleham statue. I've never seen it in person, having been living abroad for 20 years, but from what I've seen in photographs I can't say I find it attractive or appropriate, but then - de gustibus non est disputandum.
Unfortunately getting usage of photos from institutions like the NPG and TNA is quite expensive, although they usually have a concessionary rate for publications of an academic nature with a smallish print run. Then you have to pay again if you reprint and thereby exceed the original projected quantity. Also the cost depends on the size of the reproduction and what rights you need - a standard request would be world rights English language. IIRC my last quote from the NPG for a ¼ page photo of Elizabeth of York used inside "Maligned King" (i.e. not on the cover) was £72.80 for a print run of up to 5,000, but they bent over backwards to try to cut it to the minimum for me on an 'academic publication' basis. Contact Emma Butterfield, ebutterfield@....
I don't know whether you have a publisher for your book, but in the UK it seems to be standard practice that the author pays for all illustrations, which can be pricey if you want important or historic ones. Having said that, maybe it doesn't apply to celebrity authors, but it certainly does for us ordinary citizens! I was very ambitious in my desire to include a special selection of illustrations in "Maligned King" and spent over £750 on them (not counting reprints), which has rather eaten into the royalties ;-).
On the other hand, for the one book I've published in the USA the publishers paid for all the photos - quite a lot of them - and for the associated research. I guess the outlay for illustrations is offset against the net price on which they pay the royalties.
As for the 'Hastings letter', I think you will find that there isn't a particular letter extant, but rather a correspondence has been presumed to have taken place. On pp.41-43 of my book I have assumed "A great deal of to-ing and fro-ing of messengers" between Richard and his contacts at Westminster, among whom Hastings and Buckingham must have featured primarily (see Crowland and Mancini). It seems to me that the 'Hastings letter' falls into the same category as Buckingham's 'writings to Henry Tudor' in September 1483 which, despite being alluded to SOLELY in the 1484 Act of Attainder, have made such an impression on the collective psyche that I found several historians who actually quoted their contents! I wasted quite some time on this before concluding that they were the products of over-active imaginations.
I'm not sure what is your precise query about Stony Stratford. The whole story is certainly very curious, especially as Northampton had frequently hosted sessions of Parliament in previous reigns, so lack of accommodation (for the king!) seems a limp excuse for taking the detour to Stony Stratford. On p.45 of "Maligned King" I have shamelessly borrowed an ambush theory originally put forward by Gordon Smith in the Ricardian Bulletin, Spring 2004, which I find very convincing. It is best read in the original if you can, complete with sketch-maps of the routes.
I hope the above comments have been helpful.
Regards, Annette
----- Original Message -----
From: pippabowen
To:
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 9:03 PM
Subject: Questions, questions!
Please bear with me, Im new to this site. Writing a "factual" book about "Richard III made easy" hopefully! A new concept? Have chewed too many carpets reading Philippa Gregory and co, ye Gods! So to my questions.
Although trained as a journalist I'm at a loss to know about copyright today. I want to use many pictures, from the NPG to other places but especially the Middleham Statue. Have contacted Linda with no results. What to do now?
Also I need to know where the Hastings letter warning Richard about the Woodville coup came from. I can't trace it.
Can anyone help? Or refer me to a place that could?
Another question...My father was rector of Grafton Regis when I was a child I know the area so,"Why the Stony Stratford Coup"? Rivers said the rendezvous could not take place at Northampton - no room! He had to go onto Stony Stratford, a small village on the A5 to London. In so doing Rivers actually passed the turning to Grafton. Later, Grafton, would host the last meeting of Cardinals Compeggio and Wolsey complete with "trains". A side issue question? Personally I think not.
Thankyou for your patience and look forward to your suggestions.
First, regarding photographs. The copyright in a photograph resides with the photographer (unless s/he sells or assigns it to someone else). Note that some museums and galleries forbid photography, but you are free to use any photos you have legally taken - so I'm sure you are OK with any pictures you've personally taken of the Middleham statue. I've never seen it in person, having been living abroad for 20 years, but from what I've seen in photographs I can't say I find it attractive or appropriate, but then - de gustibus non est disputandum.
Unfortunately getting usage of photos from institutions like the NPG and TNA is quite expensive, although they usually have a concessionary rate for publications of an academic nature with a smallish print run. Then you have to pay again if you reprint and thereby exceed the original projected quantity. Also the cost depends on the size of the reproduction and what rights you need - a standard request would be world rights English language. IIRC my last quote from the NPG for a ¼ page photo of Elizabeth of York used inside "Maligned King" (i.e. not on the cover) was £72.80 for a print run of up to 5,000, but they bent over backwards to try to cut it to the minimum for me on an 'academic publication' basis. Contact Emma Butterfield, ebutterfield@....
I don't know whether you have a publisher for your book, but in the UK it seems to be standard practice that the author pays for all illustrations, which can be pricey if you want important or historic ones. Having said that, maybe it doesn't apply to celebrity authors, but it certainly does for us ordinary citizens! I was very ambitious in my desire to include a special selection of illustrations in "Maligned King" and spent over £750 on them (not counting reprints), which has rather eaten into the royalties ;-).
On the other hand, for the one book I've published in the USA the publishers paid for all the photos - quite a lot of them - and for the associated research. I guess the outlay for illustrations is offset against the net price on which they pay the royalties.
As for the 'Hastings letter', I think you will find that there isn't a particular letter extant, but rather a correspondence has been presumed to have taken place. On pp.41-43 of my book I have assumed "A great deal of to-ing and fro-ing of messengers" between Richard and his contacts at Westminster, among whom Hastings and Buckingham must have featured primarily (see Crowland and Mancini). It seems to me that the 'Hastings letter' falls into the same category as Buckingham's 'writings to Henry Tudor' in September 1483 which, despite being alluded to SOLELY in the 1484 Act of Attainder, have made such an impression on the collective psyche that I found several historians who actually quoted their contents! I wasted quite some time on this before concluding that they were the products of over-active imaginations.
I'm not sure what is your precise query about Stony Stratford. The whole story is certainly very curious, especially as Northampton had frequently hosted sessions of Parliament in previous reigns, so lack of accommodation (for the king!) seems a limp excuse for taking the detour to Stony Stratford. On p.45 of "Maligned King" I have shamelessly borrowed an ambush theory originally put forward by Gordon Smith in the Ricardian Bulletin, Spring 2004, which I find very convincing. It is best read in the original if you can, complete with sketch-maps of the routes.
I hope the above comments have been helpful.
Regards, Annette
----- Original Message -----
From: pippabowen
To:
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 9:03 PM
Subject: Questions, questions!
Please bear with me, Im new to this site. Writing a "factual" book about "Richard III made easy" hopefully! A new concept? Have chewed too many carpets reading Philippa Gregory and co, ye Gods! So to my questions.
Although trained as a journalist I'm at a loss to know about copyright today. I want to use many pictures, from the NPG to other places but especially the Middleham Statue. Have contacted Linda with no results. What to do now?
Also I need to know where the Hastings letter warning Richard about the Woodville coup came from. I can't trace it.
Can anyone help? Or refer me to a place that could?
Another question...My father was rector of Grafton Regis when I was a child I know the area so,"Why the Stony Stratford Coup"? Rivers said the rendezvous could not take place at Northampton - no room! He had to go onto Stony Stratford, a small village on the A5 to London. In so doing Rivers actually passed the turning to Grafton. Later, Grafton, would host the last meeting of Cardinals Compeggio and Wolsey complete with "trains". A side issue question? Personally I think not.
Thankyou for your patience and look forward to your suggestions.
Re: Questions, questions!
2012-09-22 21:20:54
--- In , "Annette Carson" <email@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Pippa, and welcome to the forum from me. Sorry to say I have been snowed under these past few weeks, so this is the first opportunity I've had to catch up with non-urgent matters. (At least I hope your query wasn't urgent!) I am not sure who Linda is, or whether other members have responded to you, but if they have I haven't seen their replies. So here goes.
>
> First, regarding photographs. The copyright in a photograph resides with the photographer (unless s/he sells or assigns it to someone else). Note that some museums and galleries forbid photography, but you are free to use any photos you have legally taken - so I'm sure you are OK with any pictures you've personally taken of the Middleham statue. I've never seen it in person, having been living abroad for 20 years, but from what I've seen in photographs I can't say I find it attractive or appropriate, but then - de gustibus non est disputandum.
>
> Unfortunately getting usage of photos from institutions like the NPG and TNA is quite expensive, although they usually have a concessionary rate for publications of an academic nature with a smallish print run. Then you have to pay again if you reprint and thereby exceed the original projected quantity. Also the cost depends on the size of the reproduction and what rights you need - a standard request would be world rights English language. IIRC my last quote from the NPG for a ¼ page photo of Elizabeth of York used inside "Maligned King" (i.e. not on the cover) was £72.80 for a print run of up to 5,000, but they bent over backwards to try to cut it to the minimum for me on an 'academic publication' basis. Contact Emma Butterfield, ebutterfield@...
>
> I don't know whether you have a publisher for your book, but in the UK it seems to be standard practice that the author pays for all illustrations, which can be pricey if you want important or historic ones. Having said that, maybe it doesn't apply to celebrity authors, but it certainly does for us ordinary citizens! I was very ambitious in my desire to include a special selection of illustrations in "Maligned King" and spent over £750 on them (not counting reprints), which has rather eaten into the royalties ;-).
>
> On the other hand, for the one book I've published in the USA the publishers paid for all the photos - quite a lot of them - and for the associated research. I guess the outlay for illustrations is offset against the net price on which they pay the royalties.
>
> As for the 'Hastings letter', I think you will find that there isn't a particular letter extant, but rather a correspondence has been presumed to have taken place. On pp.41-43 of my book I have assumed "A great deal of to-ing and fro-ing of messengers" between Richard and his contacts at Westminster, among whom Hastings and Buckingham must have featured primarily (see Crowland and Mancini). It seems to me that the 'Hastings letter' falls into the same category as Buckingham's 'writings to Henry Tudor' in September 1483 which, despite being alluded to SOLELY in the 1484 Act of Attainder, have made such an impression on the collective psyche that I found several historians who actually quoted their contents! I wasted quite some time on this before concluding that they were the products of over-active imaginations.
>
> I'm not sure what is your precise query about Stony Stratford. The whole story is certainly very curious, especially as Northampton had frequently hosted sessions of Parliament in previous reigns, so lack of accommodation (for the king!) seems a limp excuse for taking the detour to Stony Stratford. On p.45 of "Maligned King" I have shamelessly borrowed an ambush theory originally put forward by Gordon Smith in the Ricardian Bulletin, Spring 2004, which I find very convincing. It is best read in the original if you can, complete with sketch-maps of the routes.
> I hope the above comments have been helpful.
> Regards, Annette
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: pippabowen
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 9:03 PM
> Subject: Questions, questions!
>
> Dear Annette!
One year on and I did not reply to you kind response! I wonder if you will read this? I was a journalist so have ways and new means of tracking that wonderful sculpture by Linda down and I do admire your hard work on this page etc...I am beginning to believe that Richard III is not unlike a virus! It struck me quite late in life, however, I'm off to do battle. You, Kendall and Tey are the only three writers who have taken on the Establishment thus far, you need back up.
So much is happening with Leicester, (ruining my intro!) like you yet unlike you (polite) I intend to call people to account. "J'Acuse!" Hicks for starters.
I have contacts in the Church, Dear Bishop Rowan, yet the Dean and Chapter of Westminster should be ashamed!I'm dealing with them seperately, ALL I want to know IS when did the first copy of Titulus Regius turn up? The British Library and the Tower of London have been hopeless. Yet I believe it may have been in 1618 at the Tower for some strange reason...I've no idea why I think this. Your work has inspired me, I don't know why I feel like this being Welsh! A wrong must be righted and History is not History unless truthful. Tea and buns anda walk through my old stamping ground of Grafton are due on September 29th! I couldn't possibly go because I'm sure we'd come to blows! I knew the Cockram family when I grew up, the last people to live in the manor as my dad was the last official Rector of their Church! We need facts not fairy tales or fish tails come to that!
Sorry, off at a tangent. So any ideas about when Titulus Regius which was an imprisonable offence to read or think of in 1485, actually came to light? We know Weir and Gregoty couldn't be bothered to read it. Prof John Guy laughed when I mentioned it to him.
Thankyou so much for everything - I need this fact if at all possible. I actually admire you. Thank you so much. pippabowen. And I'm Welsh!
>
> Please bear with me, Im new to this site. Writing a "factual" book about "Richard III made easy" hopefully! A new concept? Have chewed too many carpets reading Philippa Gregory and co, ye Gods! So to my questions.
> Although trained as a journalist I'm at a loss to know about copyright today. I want to use many pictures, from the NPG to other places but especially the Middleham Statue. Have contacted Linda with no results. What to do now?
> Also I need to know where the Hastings letter warning Richard about the Woodville coup came from. I can't trace it.
> Can anyone help? Or refer me to a place that could?
> Another question...My father was rector of Grafton Regis when I was a child I know the area so,"Why the Stony Stratford Coup"? Rivers said the rendezvous could not take place at Northampton - no room! He had to go onto Stony Stratford, a small village on the A5 to London. In so doing Rivers actually passed the turning to Grafton. Later, Grafton, would host the last meeting of Cardinals Compeggio and Wolsey complete with "trains". A side issue question? Personally I think not.
> Thankyou for your patience and look forward to your suggestions.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hello Pippa, and welcome to the forum from me. Sorry to say I have been snowed under these past few weeks, so this is the first opportunity I've had to catch up with non-urgent matters. (At least I hope your query wasn't urgent!) I am not sure who Linda is, or whether other members have responded to you, but if they have I haven't seen their replies. So here goes.
>
> First, regarding photographs. The copyright in a photograph resides with the photographer (unless s/he sells or assigns it to someone else). Note that some museums and galleries forbid photography, but you are free to use any photos you have legally taken - so I'm sure you are OK with any pictures you've personally taken of the Middleham statue. I've never seen it in person, having been living abroad for 20 years, but from what I've seen in photographs I can't say I find it attractive or appropriate, but then - de gustibus non est disputandum.
>
> Unfortunately getting usage of photos from institutions like the NPG and TNA is quite expensive, although they usually have a concessionary rate for publications of an academic nature with a smallish print run. Then you have to pay again if you reprint and thereby exceed the original projected quantity. Also the cost depends on the size of the reproduction and what rights you need - a standard request would be world rights English language. IIRC my last quote from the NPG for a ¼ page photo of Elizabeth of York used inside "Maligned King" (i.e. not on the cover) was £72.80 for a print run of up to 5,000, but they bent over backwards to try to cut it to the minimum for me on an 'academic publication' basis. Contact Emma Butterfield, ebutterfield@...
>
> I don't know whether you have a publisher for your book, but in the UK it seems to be standard practice that the author pays for all illustrations, which can be pricey if you want important or historic ones. Having said that, maybe it doesn't apply to celebrity authors, but it certainly does for us ordinary citizens! I was very ambitious in my desire to include a special selection of illustrations in "Maligned King" and spent over £750 on them (not counting reprints), which has rather eaten into the royalties ;-).
>
> On the other hand, for the one book I've published in the USA the publishers paid for all the photos - quite a lot of them - and for the associated research. I guess the outlay for illustrations is offset against the net price on which they pay the royalties.
>
> As for the 'Hastings letter', I think you will find that there isn't a particular letter extant, but rather a correspondence has been presumed to have taken place. On pp.41-43 of my book I have assumed "A great deal of to-ing and fro-ing of messengers" between Richard and his contacts at Westminster, among whom Hastings and Buckingham must have featured primarily (see Crowland and Mancini). It seems to me that the 'Hastings letter' falls into the same category as Buckingham's 'writings to Henry Tudor' in September 1483 which, despite being alluded to SOLELY in the 1484 Act of Attainder, have made such an impression on the collective psyche that I found several historians who actually quoted their contents! I wasted quite some time on this before concluding that they were the products of over-active imaginations.
>
> I'm not sure what is your precise query about Stony Stratford. The whole story is certainly very curious, especially as Northampton had frequently hosted sessions of Parliament in previous reigns, so lack of accommodation (for the king!) seems a limp excuse for taking the detour to Stony Stratford. On p.45 of "Maligned King" I have shamelessly borrowed an ambush theory originally put forward by Gordon Smith in the Ricardian Bulletin, Spring 2004, which I find very convincing. It is best read in the original if you can, complete with sketch-maps of the routes.
> I hope the above comments have been helpful.
> Regards, Annette
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: pippabowen
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 9:03 PM
> Subject: Questions, questions!
>
> Dear Annette!
One year on and I did not reply to you kind response! I wonder if you will read this? I was a journalist so have ways and new means of tracking that wonderful sculpture by Linda down and I do admire your hard work on this page etc...I am beginning to believe that Richard III is not unlike a virus! It struck me quite late in life, however, I'm off to do battle. You, Kendall and Tey are the only three writers who have taken on the Establishment thus far, you need back up.
So much is happening with Leicester, (ruining my intro!) like you yet unlike you (polite) I intend to call people to account. "J'Acuse!" Hicks for starters.
I have contacts in the Church, Dear Bishop Rowan, yet the Dean and Chapter of Westminster should be ashamed!I'm dealing with them seperately, ALL I want to know IS when did the first copy of Titulus Regius turn up? The British Library and the Tower of London have been hopeless. Yet I believe it may have been in 1618 at the Tower for some strange reason...I've no idea why I think this. Your work has inspired me, I don't know why I feel like this being Welsh! A wrong must be righted and History is not History unless truthful. Tea and buns anda walk through my old stamping ground of Grafton are due on September 29th! I couldn't possibly go because I'm sure we'd come to blows! I knew the Cockram family when I grew up, the last people to live in the manor as my dad was the last official Rector of their Church! We need facts not fairy tales or fish tails come to that!
Sorry, off at a tangent. So any ideas about when Titulus Regius which was an imprisonable offence to read or think of in 1485, actually came to light? We know Weir and Gregoty couldn't be bothered to read it. Prof John Guy laughed when I mentioned it to him.
Thankyou so much for everything - I need this fact if at all possible. I actually admire you. Thank you so much. pippabowen. And I'm Welsh!
>
> Please bear with me, Im new to this site. Writing a "factual" book about "Richard III made easy" hopefully! A new concept? Have chewed too many carpets reading Philippa Gregory and co, ye Gods! So to my questions.
> Although trained as a journalist I'm at a loss to know about copyright today. I want to use many pictures, from the NPG to other places but especially the Middleham Statue. Have contacted Linda with no results. What to do now?
> Also I need to know where the Hastings letter warning Richard about the Woodville coup came from. I can't trace it.
> Can anyone help? Or refer me to a place that could?
> Another question...My father was rector of Grafton Regis when I was a child I know the area so,"Why the Stony Stratford Coup"? Rivers said the rendezvous could not take place at Northampton - no room! He had to go onto Stony Stratford, a small village on the A5 to London. In so doing Rivers actually passed the turning to Grafton. Later, Grafton, would host the last meeting of Cardinals Compeggio and Wolsey complete with "trains". A side issue question? Personally I think not.
> Thankyou for your patience and look forward to your suggestions.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Re: Questions, questions!
2012-09-22 22:32:26
Hi again Pippa - My, what can happen in the space of a year!
With regard to Titulus Regius, unknown to Henry VII there was a 'file copy' of this document stored among the Rolls of Parliament (ref Rot. Parl., VI, 240-2). Jeremy Potter ("Good King Richard?" p.178) says Sir George Buck discovered the Titulus Regius in the Parliament Rolls. I believe Buck was the first person to use it for research purposes, so I looked in Dr Kincaid's notes in his edition of Buck and I couldn't immediately find confirmation of this, but I believe it's there somewhere, maybe someone else can find it. Anyway what Kincaid does say (p.249) is "The Parliament Rolls did not become available for inspection until the 1580s", so presumably this date or later was when Buck discovered it. The disused Chapel of St John the Evangelist in the White Tower was at the time used to store state archives, so yes, it would probably have been in storage at the Tower of London. Buck's "History of Richard III" was published in 1619, so that's probably why you have a date similar to this in your memory.
Titulus Regius is not at the British Library, it's at The National Archives (used to be known as the Public Record Office), which contains the state archives formerly stored at the Tower. I admit it's difficult to find any curators at the Tower who are conversant with actual crunchy research as opposed to popular history - they seem to know very little earlier than the 19th century. Basically you'd be better off asking TNA what they know about the Titulus. I will try - and maybe other forum members will also help - to find out when Buck laid his hands on it. Is the exact year necessary?
Regards, Annette
----- Original Message -----
From: pippabowen
To:
Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2012 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: Questions, questions!
--- In , "Annette Carson" <email@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Pippa, and welcome to the forum from me. Sorry to say I have been snowed under these past few weeks, so this is the first opportunity I've had to catch up with non-urgent matters. (At least I hope your query wasn't urgent!) I am not sure who Linda is, or whether other members have responded to you, but if they have I haven't seen their replies. So here goes.
>
> First, regarding photographs. The copyright in a photograph resides with the photographer (unless s/he sells or assigns it to someone else). Note that some museums and galleries forbid photography, but you are free to use any photos you have legally taken - so I'm sure you are OK with any pictures you've personally taken of the Middleham statue. I've never seen it in person, having been living abroad for 20 years, but from what I've seen in photographs I can't say I find it attractive or appropriate, but then - de gustibus non est disputandum.
>
> Unfortunately getting usage of photos from institutions like the NPG and TNA is quite expensive, although they usually have a concessionary rate for publications of an academic nature with a smallish print run. Then you have to pay again if you reprint and thereby exceed the original projected quantity. Also the cost depends on the size of the reproduction and what rights you need - a standard request would be world rights English language. IIRC my last quote from the NPG for a ¼ page photo of Elizabeth of York used inside "Maligned King" (i.e. not on the cover) was £72.80 for a print run of up to 5,000, but they bent over backwards to try to cut it to the minimum for me on an 'academic publication' basis. Contact Emma Butterfield, ebutterfield@...
>
> I don't know whether you have a publisher for your book, but in the UK it seems to be standard practice that the author pays for all illustrations, which can be pricey if you want important or historic ones. Having said that, maybe it doesn't apply to celebrity authors, but it certainly does for us ordinary citizens! I was very ambitious in my desire to include a special selection of illustrations in "Maligned King" and spent over £750 on them (not counting reprints), which has rather eaten into the royalties ;-).
>
> On the other hand, for the one book I've published in the USA the publishers paid for all the photos - quite a lot of them - and for the associated research. I guess the outlay for illustrations is offset against the net price on which they pay the royalties.
>
> As for the 'Hastings letter', I think you will find that there isn't a particular letter extant, but rather a correspondence has been presumed to have taken place. On pp.41-43 of my book I have assumed "A great deal of to-ing and fro-ing of messengers" between Richard and his contacts at Westminster, among whom Hastings and Buckingham must have featured primarily (see Crowland and Mancini). It seems to me that the 'Hastings letter' falls into the same category as Buckingham's 'writings to Henry Tudor' in September 1483 which, despite being alluded to SOLELY in the 1484 Act of Attainder, have made such an impression on the collective psyche that I found several historians who actually quoted their contents! I wasted quite some time on this before concluding that they were the products of over-active imaginations.
>
> I'm not sure what is your precise query about Stony Stratford. The whole story is certainly very curious, especially as Northampton had frequently hosted sessions of Parliament in previous reigns, so lack of accommodation (for the king!) seems a limp excuse for taking the detour to Stony Stratford. On p.45 of "Maligned King" I have shamelessly borrowed an ambush theory originally put forward by Gordon Smith in the Ricardian Bulletin, Spring 2004, which I find very convincing. It is best read in the original if you can, complete with sketch-maps of the routes.
> I hope the above comments have been helpful.
> Regards, Annette
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: pippabowen
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 9:03 PM
> Subject: Questions, questions!
>
> Dear Annette!
One year on and I did not reply to you kind response! I wonder if you will read this? I was a journalist so have ways and new means of tracking that wonderful sculpture by Linda down and I do admire your hard work on this page etc...I am beginning to believe that Richard III is not unlike a virus! It struck me quite late in life, however, I'm off to do battle. You, Kendall and Tey are the only three writers who have taken on the Establishment thus far, you need back up.
So much is happening with Leicester, (ruining my intro!) like you yet unlike you (polite) I intend to call people to account. "J'Acuse!" Hicks for starters.
I have contacts in the Church, Dear Bishop Rowan, yet the Dean and Chapter of Westminster should be ashamed!I'm dealing with them seperately, ALL I want to know IS when did the first copy of Titulus Regius turn up? The British Library and the Tower of London have been hopeless. Yet I believe it may have been in 1618 at the Tower for some strange reason...I've no idea why I think this. Your work has inspired me, I don't know why I feel like this being Welsh! A wrong must be righted and History is not History unless truthful. Tea and buns anda walk through my old stamping ground of Grafton are due on September 29th! I couldn't possibly go because I'm sure we'd come to blows! I knew the Cockram family when I grew up, the last people to live in the manor as my dad was the last official Rector of their Church! We need facts not fairy tales or fish tails come to that!
Sorry, off at a tangent. So any ideas about when Titulus Regius which was an imprisonable offence to read or think of in 1485, actually came to light? We know Weir and Gregoty couldn't be bothered to read it. Prof John Guy laughed when I mentioned it to him.
Thankyou so much for everything - I need this fact if at all possible. I actually admire you. Thank you so much. pippabowen. And I'm Welsh!
>
> Please bear with me, Im new to this site. Writing a "factual" book about "Richard III made easy" hopefully! A new concept? Have chewed too many carpets reading Philippa Gregory and co, ye Gods! So to my questions.
> Although trained as a journalist I'm at a loss to know about copyright today. I want to use many pictures, from the NPG to other places but especially the Middleham Statue. Have contacted Linda with no results. What to do now?
> Also I need to know where the Hastings letter warning Richard about the Woodville coup came from. I can't trace it.
> Can anyone help? Or refer me to a place that could?
> Another question...My father was rector of Grafton Regis when I was a child I know the area so,"Why the Stony Stratford Coup"? Rivers said the rendezvous could not take place at Northampton - no room! He had to go onto Stony Stratford, a small village on the A5 to London. In so doing Rivers actually passed the turning to Grafton. Later, Grafton, would host the last meeting of Cardinals Compeggio and Wolsey complete with "trains". A side issue question? Personally I think not.
> Thankyou for your patience and look forward to your suggestions.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
With regard to Titulus Regius, unknown to Henry VII there was a 'file copy' of this document stored among the Rolls of Parliament (ref Rot. Parl., VI, 240-2). Jeremy Potter ("Good King Richard?" p.178) says Sir George Buck discovered the Titulus Regius in the Parliament Rolls. I believe Buck was the first person to use it for research purposes, so I looked in Dr Kincaid's notes in his edition of Buck and I couldn't immediately find confirmation of this, but I believe it's there somewhere, maybe someone else can find it. Anyway what Kincaid does say (p.249) is "The Parliament Rolls did not become available for inspection until the 1580s", so presumably this date or later was when Buck discovered it. The disused Chapel of St John the Evangelist in the White Tower was at the time used to store state archives, so yes, it would probably have been in storage at the Tower of London. Buck's "History of Richard III" was published in 1619, so that's probably why you have a date similar to this in your memory.
Titulus Regius is not at the British Library, it's at The National Archives (used to be known as the Public Record Office), which contains the state archives formerly stored at the Tower. I admit it's difficult to find any curators at the Tower who are conversant with actual crunchy research as opposed to popular history - they seem to know very little earlier than the 19th century. Basically you'd be better off asking TNA what they know about the Titulus. I will try - and maybe other forum members will also help - to find out when Buck laid his hands on it. Is the exact year necessary?
Regards, Annette
----- Original Message -----
From: pippabowen
To:
Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2012 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: Questions, questions!
--- In , "Annette Carson" <email@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Pippa, and welcome to the forum from me. Sorry to say I have been snowed under these past few weeks, so this is the first opportunity I've had to catch up with non-urgent matters. (At least I hope your query wasn't urgent!) I am not sure who Linda is, or whether other members have responded to you, but if they have I haven't seen their replies. So here goes.
>
> First, regarding photographs. The copyright in a photograph resides with the photographer (unless s/he sells or assigns it to someone else). Note that some museums and galleries forbid photography, but you are free to use any photos you have legally taken - so I'm sure you are OK with any pictures you've personally taken of the Middleham statue. I've never seen it in person, having been living abroad for 20 years, but from what I've seen in photographs I can't say I find it attractive or appropriate, but then - de gustibus non est disputandum.
>
> Unfortunately getting usage of photos from institutions like the NPG and TNA is quite expensive, although they usually have a concessionary rate for publications of an academic nature with a smallish print run. Then you have to pay again if you reprint and thereby exceed the original projected quantity. Also the cost depends on the size of the reproduction and what rights you need - a standard request would be world rights English language. IIRC my last quote from the NPG for a ¼ page photo of Elizabeth of York used inside "Maligned King" (i.e. not on the cover) was £72.80 for a print run of up to 5,000, but they bent over backwards to try to cut it to the minimum for me on an 'academic publication' basis. Contact Emma Butterfield, ebutterfield@...
>
> I don't know whether you have a publisher for your book, but in the UK it seems to be standard practice that the author pays for all illustrations, which can be pricey if you want important or historic ones. Having said that, maybe it doesn't apply to celebrity authors, but it certainly does for us ordinary citizens! I was very ambitious in my desire to include a special selection of illustrations in "Maligned King" and spent over £750 on them (not counting reprints), which has rather eaten into the royalties ;-).
>
> On the other hand, for the one book I've published in the USA the publishers paid for all the photos - quite a lot of them - and for the associated research. I guess the outlay for illustrations is offset against the net price on which they pay the royalties.
>
> As for the 'Hastings letter', I think you will find that there isn't a particular letter extant, but rather a correspondence has been presumed to have taken place. On pp.41-43 of my book I have assumed "A great deal of to-ing and fro-ing of messengers" between Richard and his contacts at Westminster, among whom Hastings and Buckingham must have featured primarily (see Crowland and Mancini). It seems to me that the 'Hastings letter' falls into the same category as Buckingham's 'writings to Henry Tudor' in September 1483 which, despite being alluded to SOLELY in the 1484 Act of Attainder, have made such an impression on the collective psyche that I found several historians who actually quoted their contents! I wasted quite some time on this before concluding that they were the products of over-active imaginations.
>
> I'm not sure what is your precise query about Stony Stratford. The whole story is certainly very curious, especially as Northampton had frequently hosted sessions of Parliament in previous reigns, so lack of accommodation (for the king!) seems a limp excuse for taking the detour to Stony Stratford. On p.45 of "Maligned King" I have shamelessly borrowed an ambush theory originally put forward by Gordon Smith in the Ricardian Bulletin, Spring 2004, which I find very convincing. It is best read in the original if you can, complete with sketch-maps of the routes.
> I hope the above comments have been helpful.
> Regards, Annette
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: pippabowen
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 9:03 PM
> Subject: Questions, questions!
>
> Dear Annette!
One year on and I did not reply to you kind response! I wonder if you will read this? I was a journalist so have ways and new means of tracking that wonderful sculpture by Linda down and I do admire your hard work on this page etc...I am beginning to believe that Richard III is not unlike a virus! It struck me quite late in life, however, I'm off to do battle. You, Kendall and Tey are the only three writers who have taken on the Establishment thus far, you need back up.
So much is happening with Leicester, (ruining my intro!) like you yet unlike you (polite) I intend to call people to account. "J'Acuse!" Hicks for starters.
I have contacts in the Church, Dear Bishop Rowan, yet the Dean and Chapter of Westminster should be ashamed!I'm dealing with them seperately, ALL I want to know IS when did the first copy of Titulus Regius turn up? The British Library and the Tower of London have been hopeless. Yet I believe it may have been in 1618 at the Tower for some strange reason...I've no idea why I think this. Your work has inspired me, I don't know why I feel like this being Welsh! A wrong must be righted and History is not History unless truthful. Tea and buns anda walk through my old stamping ground of Grafton are due on September 29th! I couldn't possibly go because I'm sure we'd come to blows! I knew the Cockram family when I grew up, the last people to live in the manor as my dad was the last official Rector of their Church! We need facts not fairy tales or fish tails come to that!
Sorry, off at a tangent. So any ideas about when Titulus Regius which was an imprisonable offence to read or think of in 1485, actually came to light? We know Weir and Gregoty couldn't be bothered to read it. Prof John Guy laughed when I mentioned it to him.
Thankyou so much for everything - I need this fact if at all possible. I actually admire you. Thank you so much. pippabowen. And I'm Welsh!
>
> Please bear with me, Im new to this site. Writing a "factual" book about "Richard III made easy" hopefully! A new concept? Have chewed too many carpets reading Philippa Gregory and co, ye Gods! So to my questions.
> Although trained as a journalist I'm at a loss to know about copyright today. I want to use many pictures, from the NPG to other places but especially the Middleham Statue. Have contacted Linda with no results. What to do now?
> Also I need to know where the Hastings letter warning Richard about the Woodville coup came from. I can't trace it.
> Can anyone help? Or refer me to a place that could?
> Another question...My father was rector of Grafton Regis when I was a child I know the area so,"Why the Stony Stratford Coup"? Rivers said the rendezvous could not take place at Northampton - no room! He had to go onto Stony Stratford, a small village on the A5 to London. In so doing Rivers actually passed the turning to Grafton. Later, Grafton, would host the last meeting of Cardinals Compeggio and Wolsey complete with "trains". A side issue question? Personally I think not.
> Thankyou for your patience and look forward to your suggestions.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Re: Questions, questions!
2012-09-22 22:53:02
Probably just a memory glitch, but I seem to recall some portion of TR text included within BL ms Harleian 433...(?) However, since it's not listed as such in the Vol. 4 Index, I may just be hallucinating.
Judy
Loyaulte me lie
________________________________
From: Annette Carson <email@...>
To:
Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2012 4:32 PM
Subject: Re: Questions, questions!
Hi again Pippa - My, what can happen in the space of a year!
With regard to Titulus Regius, unknown to Henry VII there was a 'file copy' of this document stored among the Rolls of Parliament (ref Rot. Parl., VI, 240-2). Jeremy Potter ("Good King Richard?" p.178) says Sir George Buck discovered the Titulus Regius in the Parliament Rolls. I believe Buck was the first person to use it for research purposes, so I looked in Dr Kincaid's notes in his edition of Buck and I couldn't immediately find confirmation of this, but I believe it's there somewhere, maybe someone else can find it. Anyway what Kincaid does say (p.249) is "The Parliament Rolls did not become available for inspection until the 1580s", so presumably this date or later was when Buck discovered it. The disused Chapel of St John the Evangelist in the White Tower was at the time used to store state archives, so yes, it would probably have been in storage at the Tower of London. Buck's "History of Richard III" was published in 1619, so that's probably why
you have a date similar to this in your memory.
Titulus Regius is not at the British Library, it's at The National Archives (used to be known as the Public Record Office), which contains the state archives formerly stored at the Tower. I admit it's difficult to find any curators at the Tower who are conversant with actual crunchy research as opposed to popular history - they seem to know very little earlier than the 19th century. Basically you'd be better off asking TNA what they know about the Titulus. I will try - and maybe other forum members will also help - to find out when Buck laid his hands on it. Is the exact year necessary?
Regards, Annette
----- Original Message -----
From: pippabowen
To:
Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2012 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: Questions, questions!
--- In , "Annette Carson" <email@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Pippa, and welcome to the forum from me. Sorry to say I have been snowed under these past few weeks, so this is the first opportunity I've had to catch up with non-urgent matters. (At least I hope your query wasn't urgent!) I am not sure who Linda is, or whether other members have responded to you, but if they have I haven't seen their replies. So here goes.
>
> First, regarding photographs. The copyright in a photograph resides with the photographer (unless s/he sells or assigns it to someone else). Note that some museums and galleries forbid photography, but you are free to use any photos you have legally taken - so I'm sure you are OK with any pictures you've personally taken of the Middleham statue. I've never seen it in person, having been living abroad for 20 years, but from what I've seen in photographs I can't say I find it attractive or appropriate, but then - de gustibus non est disputandum.
>
> Unfortunately getting usage of photos from institutions like the NPG and TNA is quite expensive, although they usually have a concessionary rate for publications of an academic nature with a smallish print run. Then you have to pay again if you reprint and thereby exceed the original projected quantity. Also the cost depends on the size of the reproduction and what rights you need - a standard request would be world rights English language. IIRC my last quote from the NPG for a ¼ page photo of Elizabeth of York used inside "Maligned King" (i.e. not on the cover) was £72.80 for a print run of up to 5,000, but they bent over backwards to try to cut it to the minimum for me on an 'academic publication' basis. Contact Emma Butterfield, ebutterfield@...
>
> I don't know whether you have a publisher for your book, but in the UK it seems to be standard practice that the author pays for all illustrations, which can be pricey if you want important or historic ones. Having said that, maybe it doesn't apply to celebrity authors, but it certainly does for us ordinary citizens! I was very ambitious in my desire to include a special selection of illustrations in "Maligned King" and spent over £750 on them (not counting reprints), which has rather eaten into the royalties ;-).
>
> On the other hand, for the one book I've published in the USA the publishers paid for all the photos - quite a lot of them - and for the associated research. I guess the outlay for illustrations is offset against the net price on which they pay the royalties.
>
> As for the 'Hastings letter', I think you will find that there isn't a particular letter extant, but rather a correspondence has been presumed to have taken place. On pp.41-43 of my book I have assumed "A great deal of to-ing and fro-ing of messengers" between Richard and his contacts at Westminster, among whom Hastings and Buckingham must have featured primarily (see Crowland and Mancini). It seems to me that the 'Hastings letter' falls into the same category as Buckingham's 'writings to Henry Tudor' in September 1483 which, despite being alluded to SOLELY in the 1484 Act of Attainder, have made such an impression on the collective psyche that I found several historians who actually quoted their contents! I wasted quite some time on this before concluding that they were the products of over-active imaginations.
>
> I'm not sure what is your precise query about Stony Stratford. The whole story is certainly very curious, especially as Northampton had frequently hosted sessions of Parliament in previous reigns, so lack of accommodation (for the king!) seems a limp excuse for taking the detour to Stony Stratford. On p.45 of "Maligned King" I have shamelessly borrowed an ambush theory originally put forward by Gordon Smith in the Ricardian Bulletin, Spring 2004, which I find very convincing. It is best read in the original if you can, complete with sketch-maps of the routes.
> I hope the above comments have been helpful.
> Regards, Annette
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: pippabowen
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 9:03 PM
> Subject: Questions, questions!
>
> Dear Annette!
One year on and I did not reply to you kind response! I wonder if you will read this? I was a journalist so have ways and new means of tracking that wonderful sculpture by Linda down and I do admire your hard work on this page etc...I am beginning to believe that Richard III is not unlike a virus! It struck me quite late in life, however, I'm off to do battle. You, Kendall and Tey are the only three writers who have taken on the Establishment thus far, you need back up.
So much is happening with Leicester, (ruining my intro!) like you yet unlike you (polite) I intend to call people to account. "J'Acuse!" Hicks for starters.
I have contacts in the Church, Dear Bishop Rowan, yet the Dean and Chapter of Westminster should be ashamed!I'm dealing with them seperately, ALL I want to know IS when did the first copy of Titulus Regius turn up? The British Library and the Tower of London have been hopeless. Yet I believe it may have been in 1618 at the Tower for some strange reason...I've no idea why I think this. Your work has inspired me, I don't know why I feel like this being Welsh! A wrong must be righted and History is not History unless truthful. Tea and buns anda walk through my old stamping ground of Grafton are due on September 29th! I couldn't possibly go because I'm sure we'd come to blows! I knew the Cockram family when I grew up, the last people to live in the manor as my dad was the last official Rector of their Church! We need facts not fairy tales or fish tails come to that!
Sorry, off at a tangent. So any ideas about when Titulus Regius which was an imprisonable offence to read or think of in 1485, actually came to light? We know Weir and Gregoty couldn't be bothered to read it. Prof John Guy laughed when I mentioned it to him.
Thankyou so much for everything - I need this fact if at all possible. I actually admire you. Thank you so much. pippabowen. And I'm Welsh!
>
> Please bear with me, Im new to this site. Writing a "factual" book about "Richard III made easy" hopefully! A new concept? Have chewed too many carpets reading Philippa Gregory and co, ye Gods! So to my questions.
> Although trained as a journalist I'm at a loss to know about copyright today. I want to use many pictures, from the NPG to other places but especially the Middleham Statue. Have contacted Linda with no results. What to do now?
> Also I need to know where the Hastings letter warning Richard about the Woodville coup came from. I can't trace it.
> Can anyone help? Or refer me to a place that could?
> Another question...My father was rector of Grafton Regis when I was a child I know the area so,"Why the Stony Stratford Coup"? Rivers said the rendezvous could not take place at Northampton - no room! He had to go onto Stony Stratford, a small village on the A5 to London. In so doing Rivers actually passed the turning to Grafton. Later, Grafton, would host the last meeting of Cardinals Compeggio and Wolsey complete with "trains". A side issue question? Personally I think not.
> Thankyou for your patience and look forward to your suggestions.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Judy
Loyaulte me lie
________________________________
From: Annette Carson <email@...>
To:
Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2012 4:32 PM
Subject: Re: Questions, questions!
Hi again Pippa - My, what can happen in the space of a year!
With regard to Titulus Regius, unknown to Henry VII there was a 'file copy' of this document stored among the Rolls of Parliament (ref Rot. Parl., VI, 240-2). Jeremy Potter ("Good King Richard?" p.178) says Sir George Buck discovered the Titulus Regius in the Parliament Rolls. I believe Buck was the first person to use it for research purposes, so I looked in Dr Kincaid's notes in his edition of Buck and I couldn't immediately find confirmation of this, but I believe it's there somewhere, maybe someone else can find it. Anyway what Kincaid does say (p.249) is "The Parliament Rolls did not become available for inspection until the 1580s", so presumably this date or later was when Buck discovered it. The disused Chapel of St John the Evangelist in the White Tower was at the time used to store state archives, so yes, it would probably have been in storage at the Tower of London. Buck's "History of Richard III" was published in 1619, so that's probably why
you have a date similar to this in your memory.
Titulus Regius is not at the British Library, it's at The National Archives (used to be known as the Public Record Office), which contains the state archives formerly stored at the Tower. I admit it's difficult to find any curators at the Tower who are conversant with actual crunchy research as opposed to popular history - they seem to know very little earlier than the 19th century. Basically you'd be better off asking TNA what they know about the Titulus. I will try - and maybe other forum members will also help - to find out when Buck laid his hands on it. Is the exact year necessary?
Regards, Annette
----- Original Message -----
From: pippabowen
To:
Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2012 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: Questions, questions!
--- In , "Annette Carson" <email@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Pippa, and welcome to the forum from me. Sorry to say I have been snowed under these past few weeks, so this is the first opportunity I've had to catch up with non-urgent matters. (At least I hope your query wasn't urgent!) I am not sure who Linda is, or whether other members have responded to you, but if they have I haven't seen their replies. So here goes.
>
> First, regarding photographs. The copyright in a photograph resides with the photographer (unless s/he sells or assigns it to someone else). Note that some museums and galleries forbid photography, but you are free to use any photos you have legally taken - so I'm sure you are OK with any pictures you've personally taken of the Middleham statue. I've never seen it in person, having been living abroad for 20 years, but from what I've seen in photographs I can't say I find it attractive or appropriate, but then - de gustibus non est disputandum.
>
> Unfortunately getting usage of photos from institutions like the NPG and TNA is quite expensive, although they usually have a concessionary rate for publications of an academic nature with a smallish print run. Then you have to pay again if you reprint and thereby exceed the original projected quantity. Also the cost depends on the size of the reproduction and what rights you need - a standard request would be world rights English language. IIRC my last quote from the NPG for a ¼ page photo of Elizabeth of York used inside "Maligned King" (i.e. not on the cover) was £72.80 for a print run of up to 5,000, but they bent over backwards to try to cut it to the minimum for me on an 'academic publication' basis. Contact Emma Butterfield, ebutterfield@...
>
> I don't know whether you have a publisher for your book, but in the UK it seems to be standard practice that the author pays for all illustrations, which can be pricey if you want important or historic ones. Having said that, maybe it doesn't apply to celebrity authors, but it certainly does for us ordinary citizens! I was very ambitious in my desire to include a special selection of illustrations in "Maligned King" and spent over £750 on them (not counting reprints), which has rather eaten into the royalties ;-).
>
> On the other hand, for the one book I've published in the USA the publishers paid for all the photos - quite a lot of them - and for the associated research. I guess the outlay for illustrations is offset against the net price on which they pay the royalties.
>
> As for the 'Hastings letter', I think you will find that there isn't a particular letter extant, but rather a correspondence has been presumed to have taken place. On pp.41-43 of my book I have assumed "A great deal of to-ing and fro-ing of messengers" between Richard and his contacts at Westminster, among whom Hastings and Buckingham must have featured primarily (see Crowland and Mancini). It seems to me that the 'Hastings letter' falls into the same category as Buckingham's 'writings to Henry Tudor' in September 1483 which, despite being alluded to SOLELY in the 1484 Act of Attainder, have made such an impression on the collective psyche that I found several historians who actually quoted their contents! I wasted quite some time on this before concluding that they were the products of over-active imaginations.
>
> I'm not sure what is your precise query about Stony Stratford. The whole story is certainly very curious, especially as Northampton had frequently hosted sessions of Parliament in previous reigns, so lack of accommodation (for the king!) seems a limp excuse for taking the detour to Stony Stratford. On p.45 of "Maligned King" I have shamelessly borrowed an ambush theory originally put forward by Gordon Smith in the Ricardian Bulletin, Spring 2004, which I find very convincing. It is best read in the original if you can, complete with sketch-maps of the routes.
> I hope the above comments have been helpful.
> Regards, Annette
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: pippabowen
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 9:03 PM
> Subject: Questions, questions!
>
> Dear Annette!
One year on and I did not reply to you kind response! I wonder if you will read this? I was a journalist so have ways and new means of tracking that wonderful sculpture by Linda down and I do admire your hard work on this page etc...I am beginning to believe that Richard III is not unlike a virus! It struck me quite late in life, however, I'm off to do battle. You, Kendall and Tey are the only three writers who have taken on the Establishment thus far, you need back up.
So much is happening with Leicester, (ruining my intro!) like you yet unlike you (polite) I intend to call people to account. "J'Acuse!" Hicks for starters.
I have contacts in the Church, Dear Bishop Rowan, yet the Dean and Chapter of Westminster should be ashamed!I'm dealing with them seperately, ALL I want to know IS when did the first copy of Titulus Regius turn up? The British Library and the Tower of London have been hopeless. Yet I believe it may have been in 1618 at the Tower for some strange reason...I've no idea why I think this. Your work has inspired me, I don't know why I feel like this being Welsh! A wrong must be righted and History is not History unless truthful. Tea and buns anda walk through my old stamping ground of Grafton are due on September 29th! I couldn't possibly go because I'm sure we'd come to blows! I knew the Cockram family when I grew up, the last people to live in the manor as my dad was the last official Rector of their Church! We need facts not fairy tales or fish tails come to that!
Sorry, off at a tangent. So any ideas about when Titulus Regius which was an imprisonable offence to read or think of in 1485, actually came to light? We know Weir and Gregoty couldn't be bothered to read it. Prof John Guy laughed when I mentioned it to him.
Thankyou so much for everything - I need this fact if at all possible. I actually admire you. Thank you so much. pippabowen. And I'm Welsh!
>
> Please bear with me, Im new to this site. Writing a "factual" book about "Richard III made easy" hopefully! A new concept? Have chewed too many carpets reading Philippa Gregory and co, ye Gods! So to my questions.
> Although trained as a journalist I'm at a loss to know about copyright today. I want to use many pictures, from the NPG to other places but especially the Middleham Statue. Have contacted Linda with no results. What to do now?
> Also I need to know where the Hastings letter warning Richard about the Woodville coup came from. I can't trace it.
> Can anyone help? Or refer me to a place that could?
> Another question...My father was rector of Grafton Regis when I was a child I know the area so,"Why the Stony Stratford Coup"? Rivers said the rendezvous could not take place at Northampton - no room! He had to go onto Stony Stratford, a small village on the A5 to London. In so doing Rivers actually passed the turning to Grafton. Later, Grafton, would host the last meeting of Cardinals Compeggio and Wolsey complete with "trains". A side issue question? Personally I think not.
> Thankyou for your patience and look forward to your suggestions.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Re: Questions, questions!
2012-09-23 11:07:34
Oooops, correction, sorry, 1619 was when Sir George Buck wrote his "Richard III" - he died without publishing it. I'm never at my most alert at 10.30 p.m. The version published in the name of his nephew in 1646 was much bowdlerized, so it would be correct to say that the book as originally written by Sir George was actually first published in 1979 in Kincaid's marvellous edition.
Also, Pippa, if you are writing extensively about "Titulus Regius", perhaps you should note that this isn't the official name of the document, it's just what people these days generally call it. Officially it is either the Act of Succession or the Act of Settlement, but since historians don't seem to be able to agree which name to give it, it's easier to go with the nickname it has acquired. Rather like "the princes in the Tower".
Annette
----- Original Message -----
From: Annette Carson
To:
Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2012 10:32 PM
Subject: Re: Questions, questions!
Hi again Pippa - My, what can happen in the space of a year!
With regard to Titulus Regius, unknown to Henry VII there was a 'file copy' of this document stored among the Rolls of Parliament (ref Rot. Parl., VI, 240-2). Jeremy Potter ("Good King Richard?" p.178) says Sir George Buck discovered the Titulus Regius in the Parliament Rolls. I believe Buck was the first person to use it for research purposes, so I looked in Dr Kincaid's notes in his edition of Buck and I couldn't immediately find confirmation of this, but I believe it's there somewhere, maybe someone else can find it. Anyway what Kincaid does say (p.249) is "The Parliament Rolls did not become available for inspection until the 1580s", so presumably this date or later was when Buck discovered it. The disused Chapel of St John the Evangelist in the White Tower was at the time used to store state archives, so yes, it would probably have been in storage at the Tower of London. Buck's "History of Richard III" was published in 1619, so that's probably why you have a date similar to this in your memory.
Titulus Regius is not at the British Library, it's at The National Archives (used to be known as the Public Record Office), which contains the state archives formerly stored at the Tower. I admit it's difficult to find any curators at the Tower who are conversant with actual crunchy research as opposed to popular history - they seem to know very little earlier than the 19th century. Basically you'd be better off asking TNA what they know about the Titulus. I will try - and maybe other forum members will also help - to find out when Buck laid his hands on it. Is the exact year necessary?
Regards, Annette
----- Original Message -----
From: pippabowen
To:
Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2012 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: Questions, questions!
--- In , "Annette Carson" <email@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Pippa, and welcome to the forum from me. Sorry to say I have been snowed under these past few weeks, so this is the first opportunity I've had to catch up with non-urgent matters. (At least I hope your query wasn't urgent!) I am not sure who Linda is, or whether other members have responded to you, but if they have I haven't seen their replies. So here goes.
>
> First, regarding photographs. The copyright in a photograph resides with the photographer (unless s/he sells or assigns it to someone else). Note that some museums and galleries forbid photography, but you are free to use any photos you have legally taken - so I'm sure you are OK with any pictures you've personally taken of the Middleham statue. I've never seen it in person, having been living abroad for 20 years, but from what I've seen in photographs I can't say I find it attractive or appropriate, but then - de gustibus non est disputandum.
>
> Unfortunately getting usage of photos from institutions like the NPG and TNA is quite expensive, although they usually have a concessionary rate for publications of an academic nature with a smallish print run. Then you have to pay again if you reprint and thereby exceed the original projected quantity. Also the cost depends on the size of the reproduction and what rights you need - a standard request would be world rights English language. IIRC my last quote from the NPG for a ¼ page photo of Elizabeth of York used inside "Maligned King" (i.e. not on the cover) was £72.80 for a print run of up to 5,000, but they bent over backwards to try to cut it to the minimum for me on an 'academic publication' basis. Contact Emma Butterfield, ebutterfield@...
>
> I don't know whether you have a publisher for your book, but in the UK it seems to be standard practice that the author pays for all illustrations, which can be pricey if you want important or historic ones. Having said that, maybe it doesn't apply to celebrity authors, but it certainly does for us ordinary citizens! I was very ambitious in my desire to include a special selection of illustrations in "Maligned King" and spent over £750 on them (not counting reprints), which has rather eaten into the royalties ;-).
>
> On the other hand, for the one book I've published in the USA the publishers paid for all the photos - quite a lot of them - and for the associated research. I guess the outlay for illustrations is offset against the net price on which they pay the royalties.
>
> As for the 'Hastings letter', I think you will find that there isn't a particular letter extant, but rather a correspondence has been presumed to have taken place. On pp.41-43 of my book I have assumed "A great deal of to-ing and fro-ing of messengers" between Richard and his contacts at Westminster, among whom Hastings and Buckingham must have featured primarily (see Crowland and Mancini). It seems to me that the 'Hastings letter' falls into the same category as Buckingham's 'writings to Henry Tudor' in September 1483 which, despite being alluded to SOLELY in the 1484 Act of Attainder, have made such an impression on the collective psyche that I found several historians who actually quoted their contents! I wasted quite some time on this before concluding that they were the products of over-active imaginations.
>
> I'm not sure what is your precise query about Stony Stratford. The whole story is certainly very curious, especially as Northampton had frequently hosted sessions of Parliament in previous reigns, so lack of accommodation (for the king!) seems a limp excuse for taking the detour to Stony Stratford. On p.45 of "Maligned King" I have shamelessly borrowed an ambush theory originally put forward by Gordon Smith in the Ricardian Bulletin, Spring 2004, which I find very convincing. It is best read in the original if you can, complete with sketch-maps of the routes.
> I hope the above comments have been helpful.
> Regards, Annette
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: pippabowen
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 9:03 PM
> Subject: Questions, questions!
>
> Dear Annette!
One year on and I did not reply to you kind response! I wonder if you will read this? I was a journalist so have ways and new means of tracking that wonderful sculpture by Linda down and I do admire your hard work on this page etc...I am beginning to believe that Richard III is not unlike a virus! It struck me quite late in life, however, I'm off to do battle. You, Kendall and Tey are the only three writers who have taken on the Establishment thus far, you need back up.
So much is happening with Leicester, (ruining my intro!) like you yet unlike you (polite) I intend to call people to account. "J'Acuse!" Hicks for starters.
I have contacts in the Church, Dear Bishop Rowan, yet the Dean and Chapter of Westminster should be ashamed!I'm dealing with them seperately, ALL I want to know IS when did the first copy of Titulus Regius turn up? The British Library and the Tower of London have been hopeless. Yet I believe it may have been in 1618 at the Tower for some strange reason...I've no idea why I think this. Your work has inspired me, I don't know why I feel like this being Welsh! A wrong must be righted and History is not History unless truthful. Tea and buns anda walk through my old stamping ground of Grafton are due on September 29th! I couldn't possibly go because I'm sure we'd come to blows! I knew the Cockram family when I grew up, the last people to live in the manor as my dad was the last official Rector of their Church! We need facts not fairy tales or fish tails come to that!
Sorry, off at a tangent. So any ideas about when Titulus Regius which was an imprisonable offence to read or think of in 1485, actually came to light? We know Weir and Gregoty couldn't be bothered to read it. Prof John Guy laughed when I mentioned it to him.
Thankyou so much for everything - I need this fact if at all possible. I actually admire you. Thank you so much. pippabowen. And I'm Welsh!
>
> Please bear with me, Im new to this site. Writing a "factual" book about "Richard III made easy" hopefully! A new concept? Have chewed too many carpets reading Philippa Gregory and co, ye Gods! So to my questions.
> Although trained as a journalist I'm at a loss to know about copyright today. I want to use many pictures, from the NPG to other places but especially the Middleham Statue. Have contacted Linda with no results. What to do now?
> Also I need to know where the Hastings letter warning Richard about the Woodville coup came from. I can't trace it.
> Can anyone help? Or refer me to a place that could?
> Another question...My father was rector of Grafton Regis when I was a child I know the area so,"Why the Stony Stratford Coup"? Rivers said the rendezvous could not take place at Northampton - no room! He had to go onto Stony Stratford, a small village on the A5 to London. In so doing Rivers actually passed the turning to Grafton. Later, Grafton, would host the last meeting of Cardinals Compeggio and Wolsey complete with "trains". A side issue question? Personally I think not.
> Thankyou for your patience and look forward to your suggestions.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Also, Pippa, if you are writing extensively about "Titulus Regius", perhaps you should note that this isn't the official name of the document, it's just what people these days generally call it. Officially it is either the Act of Succession or the Act of Settlement, but since historians don't seem to be able to agree which name to give it, it's easier to go with the nickname it has acquired. Rather like "the princes in the Tower".
Annette
----- Original Message -----
From: Annette Carson
To:
Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2012 10:32 PM
Subject: Re: Questions, questions!
Hi again Pippa - My, what can happen in the space of a year!
With regard to Titulus Regius, unknown to Henry VII there was a 'file copy' of this document stored among the Rolls of Parliament (ref Rot. Parl., VI, 240-2). Jeremy Potter ("Good King Richard?" p.178) says Sir George Buck discovered the Titulus Regius in the Parliament Rolls. I believe Buck was the first person to use it for research purposes, so I looked in Dr Kincaid's notes in his edition of Buck and I couldn't immediately find confirmation of this, but I believe it's there somewhere, maybe someone else can find it. Anyway what Kincaid does say (p.249) is "The Parliament Rolls did not become available for inspection until the 1580s", so presumably this date or later was when Buck discovered it. The disused Chapel of St John the Evangelist in the White Tower was at the time used to store state archives, so yes, it would probably have been in storage at the Tower of London. Buck's "History of Richard III" was published in 1619, so that's probably why you have a date similar to this in your memory.
Titulus Regius is not at the British Library, it's at The National Archives (used to be known as the Public Record Office), which contains the state archives formerly stored at the Tower. I admit it's difficult to find any curators at the Tower who are conversant with actual crunchy research as opposed to popular history - they seem to know very little earlier than the 19th century. Basically you'd be better off asking TNA what they know about the Titulus. I will try - and maybe other forum members will also help - to find out when Buck laid his hands on it. Is the exact year necessary?
Regards, Annette
----- Original Message -----
From: pippabowen
To:
Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2012 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: Questions, questions!
--- In , "Annette Carson" <email@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Pippa, and welcome to the forum from me. Sorry to say I have been snowed under these past few weeks, so this is the first opportunity I've had to catch up with non-urgent matters. (At least I hope your query wasn't urgent!) I am not sure who Linda is, or whether other members have responded to you, but if they have I haven't seen their replies. So here goes.
>
> First, regarding photographs. The copyright in a photograph resides with the photographer (unless s/he sells or assigns it to someone else). Note that some museums and galleries forbid photography, but you are free to use any photos you have legally taken - so I'm sure you are OK with any pictures you've personally taken of the Middleham statue. I've never seen it in person, having been living abroad for 20 years, but from what I've seen in photographs I can't say I find it attractive or appropriate, but then - de gustibus non est disputandum.
>
> Unfortunately getting usage of photos from institutions like the NPG and TNA is quite expensive, although they usually have a concessionary rate for publications of an academic nature with a smallish print run. Then you have to pay again if you reprint and thereby exceed the original projected quantity. Also the cost depends on the size of the reproduction and what rights you need - a standard request would be world rights English language. IIRC my last quote from the NPG for a ¼ page photo of Elizabeth of York used inside "Maligned King" (i.e. not on the cover) was £72.80 for a print run of up to 5,000, but they bent over backwards to try to cut it to the minimum for me on an 'academic publication' basis. Contact Emma Butterfield, ebutterfield@...
>
> I don't know whether you have a publisher for your book, but in the UK it seems to be standard practice that the author pays for all illustrations, which can be pricey if you want important or historic ones. Having said that, maybe it doesn't apply to celebrity authors, but it certainly does for us ordinary citizens! I was very ambitious in my desire to include a special selection of illustrations in "Maligned King" and spent over £750 on them (not counting reprints), which has rather eaten into the royalties ;-).
>
> On the other hand, for the one book I've published in the USA the publishers paid for all the photos - quite a lot of them - and for the associated research. I guess the outlay for illustrations is offset against the net price on which they pay the royalties.
>
> As for the 'Hastings letter', I think you will find that there isn't a particular letter extant, but rather a correspondence has been presumed to have taken place. On pp.41-43 of my book I have assumed "A great deal of to-ing and fro-ing of messengers" between Richard and his contacts at Westminster, among whom Hastings and Buckingham must have featured primarily (see Crowland and Mancini). It seems to me that the 'Hastings letter' falls into the same category as Buckingham's 'writings to Henry Tudor' in September 1483 which, despite being alluded to SOLELY in the 1484 Act of Attainder, have made such an impression on the collective psyche that I found several historians who actually quoted their contents! I wasted quite some time on this before concluding that they were the products of over-active imaginations.
>
> I'm not sure what is your precise query about Stony Stratford. The whole story is certainly very curious, especially as Northampton had frequently hosted sessions of Parliament in previous reigns, so lack of accommodation (for the king!) seems a limp excuse for taking the detour to Stony Stratford. On p.45 of "Maligned King" I have shamelessly borrowed an ambush theory originally put forward by Gordon Smith in the Ricardian Bulletin, Spring 2004, which I find very convincing. It is best read in the original if you can, complete with sketch-maps of the routes.
> I hope the above comments have been helpful.
> Regards, Annette
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: pippabowen
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 9:03 PM
> Subject: Questions, questions!
>
> Dear Annette!
One year on and I did not reply to you kind response! I wonder if you will read this? I was a journalist so have ways and new means of tracking that wonderful sculpture by Linda down and I do admire your hard work on this page etc...I am beginning to believe that Richard III is not unlike a virus! It struck me quite late in life, however, I'm off to do battle. You, Kendall and Tey are the only three writers who have taken on the Establishment thus far, you need back up.
So much is happening with Leicester, (ruining my intro!) like you yet unlike you (polite) I intend to call people to account. "J'Acuse!" Hicks for starters.
I have contacts in the Church, Dear Bishop Rowan, yet the Dean and Chapter of Westminster should be ashamed!I'm dealing with them seperately, ALL I want to know IS when did the first copy of Titulus Regius turn up? The British Library and the Tower of London have been hopeless. Yet I believe it may have been in 1618 at the Tower for some strange reason...I've no idea why I think this. Your work has inspired me, I don't know why I feel like this being Welsh! A wrong must be righted and History is not History unless truthful. Tea and buns anda walk through my old stamping ground of Grafton are due on September 29th! I couldn't possibly go because I'm sure we'd come to blows! I knew the Cockram family when I grew up, the last people to live in the manor as my dad was the last official Rector of their Church! We need facts not fairy tales or fish tails come to that!
Sorry, off at a tangent. So any ideas about when Titulus Regius which was an imprisonable offence to read or think of in 1485, actually came to light? We know Weir and Gregoty couldn't be bothered to read it. Prof John Guy laughed when I mentioned it to him.
Thankyou so much for everything - I need this fact if at all possible. I actually admire you. Thank you so much. pippabowen. And I'm Welsh!
>
> Please bear with me, Im new to this site. Writing a "factual" book about "Richard III made easy" hopefully! A new concept? Have chewed too many carpets reading Philippa Gregory and co, ye Gods! So to my questions.
> Although trained as a journalist I'm at a loss to know about copyright today. I want to use many pictures, from the NPG to other places but especially the Middleham Statue. Have contacted Linda with no results. What to do now?
> Also I need to know where the Hastings letter warning Richard about the Woodville coup came from. I can't trace it.
> Can anyone help? Or refer me to a place that could?
> Another question...My father was rector of Grafton Regis when I was a child I know the area so,"Why the Stony Stratford Coup"? Rivers said the rendezvous could not take place at Northampton - no room! He had to go onto Stony Stratford, a small village on the A5 to London. In so doing Rivers actually passed the turning to Grafton. Later, Grafton, would host the last meeting of Cardinals Compeggio and Wolsey complete with "trains". A side issue question? Personally I think not.
> Thankyou for your patience and look forward to your suggestions.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Re: Questions, questions!
2012-09-23 16:10:11
Hi again Pippa - I just took a look at Tracy Bryce's online article about Titulus Regius - http://home.cogeco.ca/~richardiii/Titulus%20Regius.htm. She says "the Crowland Chronicle came to light early in the 17th century, and soon afterwards William Camden discovered the long-buried Act of Settlement amongst Private Acts filed away in the Tower, where it had escaped Henry's purge. Cartographer John Speed printed more details from the Titulus in his book, History of Great Britain in 1611, and Sir George Buck used it as a source document for his better known work, The History of King Richard the Third."
No sources given, alas, but plenty of material there for you to follow up!
Regards, Annette
----- Original Message -----
From: Annette Carson
To:
Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2012 11:07 AM
Subject: Re: Questions, questions!
Oooops, correction, sorry, 1619 was when Sir George Buck wrote his "Richard III" - he died without publishing it. I'm never at my most alert at 10.30 p.m. The version published in the name of his nephew in 1646 was much bowdlerized, so it would be correct to say that the book as originally written by Sir George was actually first published in 1979 in Kincaid's marvellous edition.
Also, Pippa, if you are writing extensively about "Titulus Regius", perhaps you should note that this isn't the official name of the document, it's just what people these days generally call it. Officially it is either the Act of Succession or the Act of Settlement, but since historians don't seem to be able to agree which name to give it, it's easier to go with the nickname it has acquired. Rather like "the princes in the Tower".
Annette
----- Original Message -----
From: Annette Carson
To:
Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2012 10:32 PM
Subject: Re: Questions, questions!
Hi again Pippa - My, what can happen in the space of a year!
With regard to Titulus Regius, unknown to Henry VII there was a 'file copy' of this document stored among the Rolls of Parliament (ref Rot. Parl., VI, 240-2). Jeremy Potter ("Good King Richard?" p.178) says Sir George Buck discovered the Titulus Regius in the Parliament Rolls. I believe Buck was the first person to use it for research purposes, so I looked in Dr Kincaid's notes in his edition of Buck and I couldn't immediately find confirmation of this, but I believe it's there somewhere, maybe someone else can find it. Anyway what Kincaid does say (p.249) is "The Parliament Rolls did not become available for inspection until the 1580s", so presumably this date or later was when Buck discovered it. The disused Chapel of St John the Evangelist in the White Tower was at the time used to store state archives, so yes, it would probably have been in storage at the Tower of London. Buck's "History of Richard III" was published in 1619, so that's probably why you have a date similar to this in your memory.
Titulus Regius is not at the British Library, it's at The National Archives (used to be known as the Public Record Office), which contains the state archives formerly stored at the Tower. I admit it's difficult to find any curators at the Tower who are conversant with actual crunchy research as opposed to popular history - they seem to know very little earlier than the 19th century. Basically you'd be better off asking TNA what they know about the Titulus. I will try - and maybe other forum members will also help - to find out when Buck laid his hands on it. Is the exact year necessary?
Regards, Annette
----- Original Message -----
From: pippabowen
To:
Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2012 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: Questions, questions!
--- In , "Annette Carson" <email@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Pippa, and welcome to the forum from me. Sorry to say I have been snowed under these past few weeks, so this is the first opportunity I've had to catch up with non-urgent matters. (At least I hope your query wasn't urgent!) I am not sure who Linda is, or whether other members have responded to you, but if they have I haven't seen their replies. So here goes.
>
> First, regarding photographs. The copyright in a photograph resides with the photographer (unless s/he sells or assigns it to someone else). Note that some museums and galleries forbid photography, but you are free to use any photos you have legally taken - so I'm sure you are OK with any pictures you've personally taken of the Middleham statue. I've never seen it in person, having been living abroad for 20 years, but from what I've seen in photographs I can't say I find it attractive or appropriate, but then - de gustibus non est disputandum.
>
> Unfortunately getting usage of photos from institutions like the NPG and TNA is quite expensive, although they usually have a concessionary rate for publications of an academic nature with a smallish print run. Then you have to pay again if you reprint and thereby exceed the original projected quantity. Also the cost depends on the size of the reproduction and what rights you need - a standard request would be world rights English language. IIRC my last quote from the NPG for a ¼ page photo of Elizabeth of York used inside "Maligned King" (i.e. not on the cover) was £72.80 for a print run of up to 5,000, but they bent over backwards to try to cut it to the minimum for me on an 'academic publication' basis. Contact Emma Butterfield, ebutterfield@...
>
> I don't know whether you have a publisher for your book, but in the UK it seems to be standard practice that the author pays for all illustrations, which can be pricey if you want important or historic ones. Having said that, maybe it doesn't apply to celebrity authors, but it certainly does for us ordinary citizens! I was very ambitious in my desire to include a special selection of illustrations in "Maligned King" and spent over £750 on them (not counting reprints), which has rather eaten into the royalties ;-).
>
> On the other hand, for the one book I've published in the USA the publishers paid for all the photos - quite a lot of them - and for the associated research. I guess the outlay for illustrations is offset against the net price on which they pay the royalties.
>
> As for the 'Hastings letter', I think you will find that there isn't a particular letter extant, but rather a correspondence has been presumed to have taken place. On pp.41-43 of my book I have assumed "A great deal of to-ing and fro-ing of messengers" between Richard and his contacts at Westminster, among whom Hastings and Buckingham must have featured primarily (see Crowland and Mancini). It seems to me that the 'Hastings letter' falls into the same category as Buckingham's 'writings to Henry Tudor' in September 1483 which, despite being alluded to SOLELY in the 1484 Act of Attainder, have made such an impression on the collective psyche that I found several historians who actually quoted their contents! I wasted quite some time on this before concluding that they were the products of over-active imaginations.
>
> I'm not sure what is your precise query about Stony Stratford. The whole story is certainly very curious, especially as Northampton had frequently hosted sessions of Parliament in previous reigns, so lack of accommodation (for the king!) seems a limp excuse for taking the detour to Stony Stratford. On p.45 of "Maligned King" I have shamelessly borrowed an ambush theory originally put forward by Gordon Smith in the Ricardian Bulletin, Spring 2004, which I find very convincing. It is best read in the original if you can, complete with sketch-maps of the routes.
> I hope the above comments have been helpful.
> Regards, Annette
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: pippabowen
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 9:03 PM
> Subject: Questions, questions!
>
> Dear Annette!
One year on and I did not reply to you kind response! I wonder if you will read this? I was a journalist so have ways and new means of tracking that wonderful sculpture by Linda down and I do admire your hard work on this page etc...I am beginning to believe that Richard III is not unlike a virus! It struck me quite late in life, however, I'm off to do battle. You, Kendall and Tey are the only three writers who have taken on the Establishment thus far, you need back up.
So much is happening with Leicester, (ruining my intro!) like you yet unlike you (polite) I intend to call people to account. "J'Acuse!" Hicks for starters.
I have contacts in the Church, Dear Bishop Rowan, yet the Dean and Chapter of Westminster should be ashamed!I'm dealing with them seperately, ALL I want to know IS when did the first copy of Titulus Regius turn up? The British Library and the Tower of London have been hopeless. Yet I believe it may have been in 1618 at the Tower for some strange reason...I've no idea why I think this. Your work has inspired me, I don't know why I feel like this being Welsh! A wrong must be righted and History is not History unless truthful. Tea and buns anda walk through my old stamping ground of Grafton are due on September 29th! I couldn't possibly go because I'm sure we'd come to blows! I knew the Cockram family when I grew up, the last people to live in the manor as my dad was the last official Rector of their Church! We need facts not fairy tales or fish tails come to that!
Sorry, off at a tangent. So any ideas about when Titulus Regius which was an imprisonable offence to read or think of in 1485, actually came to light? We know Weir and Gregoty couldn't be bothered to read it. Prof John Guy laughed when I mentioned it to him.
Thankyou so much for everything - I need this fact if at all possible. I actually admire you. Thank you so much. pippabowen. And I'm Welsh!
>
> Please bear with me, Im new to this site. Writing a "factual" book about "Richard III made easy" hopefully! A new concept? Have chewed too many carpets reading Philippa Gregory and co, ye Gods! So to my questions.
> Although trained as a journalist I'm at a loss to know about copyright today. I want to use many pictures, from the NPG to other places but especially the Middleham Statue. Have contacted Linda with no results. What to do now?
> Also I need to know where the Hastings letter warning Richard about the Woodville coup came from. I can't trace it.
> Can anyone help? Or refer me to a place that could?
> Another question...My father was rector of Grafton Regis when I was a child I know the area so,"Why the Stony Stratford Coup"? Rivers said the rendezvous could not take place at Northampton - no room! He had to go onto Stony Stratford, a small village on the A5 to London. In so doing Rivers actually passed the turning to Grafton. Later, Grafton, would host the last meeting of Cardinals Compeggio and Wolsey complete with "trains". A side issue question? Personally I think not.
> Thankyou for your patience and look forward to your suggestions.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
No sources given, alas, but plenty of material there for you to follow up!
Regards, Annette
----- Original Message -----
From: Annette Carson
To:
Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2012 11:07 AM
Subject: Re: Questions, questions!
Oooops, correction, sorry, 1619 was when Sir George Buck wrote his "Richard III" - he died without publishing it. I'm never at my most alert at 10.30 p.m. The version published in the name of his nephew in 1646 was much bowdlerized, so it would be correct to say that the book as originally written by Sir George was actually first published in 1979 in Kincaid's marvellous edition.
Also, Pippa, if you are writing extensively about "Titulus Regius", perhaps you should note that this isn't the official name of the document, it's just what people these days generally call it. Officially it is either the Act of Succession or the Act of Settlement, but since historians don't seem to be able to agree which name to give it, it's easier to go with the nickname it has acquired. Rather like "the princes in the Tower".
Annette
----- Original Message -----
From: Annette Carson
To:
Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2012 10:32 PM
Subject: Re: Questions, questions!
Hi again Pippa - My, what can happen in the space of a year!
With regard to Titulus Regius, unknown to Henry VII there was a 'file copy' of this document stored among the Rolls of Parliament (ref Rot. Parl., VI, 240-2). Jeremy Potter ("Good King Richard?" p.178) says Sir George Buck discovered the Titulus Regius in the Parliament Rolls. I believe Buck was the first person to use it for research purposes, so I looked in Dr Kincaid's notes in his edition of Buck and I couldn't immediately find confirmation of this, but I believe it's there somewhere, maybe someone else can find it. Anyway what Kincaid does say (p.249) is "The Parliament Rolls did not become available for inspection until the 1580s", so presumably this date or later was when Buck discovered it. The disused Chapel of St John the Evangelist in the White Tower was at the time used to store state archives, so yes, it would probably have been in storage at the Tower of London. Buck's "History of Richard III" was published in 1619, so that's probably why you have a date similar to this in your memory.
Titulus Regius is not at the British Library, it's at The National Archives (used to be known as the Public Record Office), which contains the state archives formerly stored at the Tower. I admit it's difficult to find any curators at the Tower who are conversant with actual crunchy research as opposed to popular history - they seem to know very little earlier than the 19th century. Basically you'd be better off asking TNA what they know about the Titulus. I will try - and maybe other forum members will also help - to find out when Buck laid his hands on it. Is the exact year necessary?
Regards, Annette
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> Hello Pippa, and welcome to the forum from me. Sorry to say I have been snowed under these past few weeks, so this is the first opportunity I've had to catch up with non-urgent matters. (At least I hope your query wasn't urgent!) I am not sure who Linda is, or whether other members have responded to you, but if they have I haven't seen their replies. So here goes.
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> First, regarding photographs. The copyright in a photograph resides with the photographer (unless s/he sells or assigns it to someone else). Note that some museums and galleries forbid photography, but you are free to use any photos you have legally taken - so I'm sure you are OK with any pictures you've personally taken of the Middleham statue. I've never seen it in person, having been living abroad for 20 years, but from what I've seen in photographs I can't say I find it attractive or appropriate, but then - de gustibus non est disputandum.
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> Unfortunately getting usage of photos from institutions like the NPG and TNA is quite expensive, although they usually have a concessionary rate for publications of an academic nature with a smallish print run. Then you have to pay again if you reprint and thereby exceed the original projected quantity. Also the cost depends on the size of the reproduction and what rights you need - a standard request would be world rights English language. IIRC my last quote from the NPG for a ¼ page photo of Elizabeth of York used inside "Maligned King" (i.e. not on the cover) was £72.80 for a print run of up to 5,000, but they bent over backwards to try to cut it to the minimum for me on an 'academic publication' basis. Contact Emma Butterfield, ebutterfield@...
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> I don't know whether you have a publisher for your book, but in the UK it seems to be standard practice that the author pays for all illustrations, which can be pricey if you want important or historic ones. Having said that, maybe it doesn't apply to celebrity authors, but it certainly does for us ordinary citizens! I was very ambitious in my desire to include a special selection of illustrations in "Maligned King" and spent over £750 on them (not counting reprints), which has rather eaten into the royalties ;-).
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> On the other hand, for the one book I've published in the USA the publishers paid for all the photos - quite a lot of them - and for the associated research. I guess the outlay for illustrations is offset against the net price on which they pay the royalties.
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> As for the 'Hastings letter', I think you will find that there isn't a particular letter extant, but rather a correspondence has been presumed to have taken place. On pp.41-43 of my book I have assumed "A great deal of to-ing and fro-ing of messengers" between Richard and his contacts at Westminster, among whom Hastings and Buckingham must have featured primarily (see Crowland and Mancini). It seems to me that the 'Hastings letter' falls into the same category as Buckingham's 'writings to Henry Tudor' in September 1483 which, despite being alluded to SOLELY in the 1484 Act of Attainder, have made such an impression on the collective psyche that I found several historians who actually quoted their contents! I wasted quite some time on this before concluding that they were the products of over-active imaginations.
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> I'm not sure what is your precise query about Stony Stratford. The whole story is certainly very curious, especially as Northampton had frequently hosted sessions of Parliament in previous reigns, so lack of accommodation (for the king!) seems a limp excuse for taking the detour to Stony Stratford. On p.45 of "Maligned King" I have shamelessly borrowed an ambush theory originally put forward by Gordon Smith in the Ricardian Bulletin, Spring 2004, which I find very convincing. It is best read in the original if you can, complete with sketch-maps of the routes.
> I hope the above comments have been helpful.
> Regards, Annette
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> Dear Annette!
One year on and I did not reply to you kind response! I wonder if you will read this? I was a journalist so have ways and new means of tracking that wonderful sculpture by Linda down and I do admire your hard work on this page etc...I am beginning to believe that Richard III is not unlike a virus! It struck me quite late in life, however, I'm off to do battle. You, Kendall and Tey are the only three writers who have taken on the Establishment thus far, you need back up.
So much is happening with Leicester, (ruining my intro!) like you yet unlike you (polite) I intend to call people to account. "J'Acuse!" Hicks for starters.
I have contacts in the Church, Dear Bishop Rowan, yet the Dean and Chapter of Westminster should be ashamed!I'm dealing with them seperately, ALL I want to know IS when did the first copy of Titulus Regius turn up? The British Library and the Tower of London have been hopeless. Yet I believe it may have been in 1618 at the Tower for some strange reason...I've no idea why I think this. Your work has inspired me, I don't know why I feel like this being Welsh! A wrong must be righted and History is not History unless truthful. Tea and buns anda walk through my old stamping ground of Grafton are due on September 29th! I couldn't possibly go because I'm sure we'd come to blows! I knew the Cockram family when I grew up, the last people to live in the manor as my dad was the last official Rector of their Church! We need facts not fairy tales or fish tails come to that!
Sorry, off at a tangent. So any ideas about when Titulus Regius which was an imprisonable offence to read or think of in 1485, actually came to light? We know Weir and Gregoty couldn't be bothered to read it. Prof John Guy laughed when I mentioned it to him.
Thankyou so much for everything - I need this fact if at all possible. I actually admire you. Thank you so much. pippabowen. And I'm Welsh!
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> Please bear with me, Im new to this site. Writing a "factual" book about "Richard III made easy" hopefully! A new concept? Have chewed too many carpets reading Philippa Gregory and co, ye Gods! So to my questions.
> Although trained as a journalist I'm at a loss to know about copyright today. I want to use many pictures, from the NPG to other places but especially the Middleham Statue. Have contacted Linda with no results. What to do now?
> Also I need to know where the Hastings letter warning Richard about the Woodville coup came from. I can't trace it.
> Can anyone help? Or refer me to a place that could?
> Another question...My father was rector of Grafton Regis when I was a child I know the area so,"Why the Stony Stratford Coup"? Rivers said the rendezvous could not take place at Northampton - no room! He had to go onto Stony Stratford, a small village on the A5 to London. In so doing Rivers actually passed the turning to Grafton. Later, Grafton, would host the last meeting of Cardinals Compeggio and Wolsey complete with "trains". A side issue question? Personally I think not.
> Thankyou for your patience and look forward to your suggestions.
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