British Library lectures

The current British Library exhibition of "Royal Manuscripts" continues until 13 March and is well worth a visit (or two).

There are a number of related lectures, including one on "Towton 1461 and the Destruction of Medieval Kingship" on 30 January and another on Edward IV's court - "The Most Splendid Court in all Christendom" - on 24 February, both at 18.30 in the Library's Conference Centre.
See www.bl.uk/whatson for more details.

I purchased the catalogue. Also, the British Library is offering some tree decorations, which are very lovely...but one, a white rose, is labeled "White Tudor Rose." Someone with more clout than me ought to gently chide the library's sales' dept; they have a red rose, also, and a shield of the lilies and leopards. The roses could be relabeled York and Lancaster, and the two colour rose, Tudor. I ordered the white one, and it's very nice, albeit Made in China. The quasi-English arms are also well-done with velvet and "bullion" type gold, like old-fashioned pocket patches....

Happy holidays to all and sundry!
Judy
 
Loyaulte me lie


________________________________
From: ejthompsonuk <ej.thompson@...>
To:
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 10:32 AM
Subject: British Library lectures


 
The current British Library exhibition of "Royal Manuscripts" continues until 13 March and is well worth a visit (or two).

There are a number of related lectures, including one on "Towton 1461 and the Destruction of Medieval Kingship" on 30 January and another on Edward IV's court - "The Most Splendid Court in all Christendom" - on 24 February, both at 18.30 in the Library's Conference Centre.
See www.bl.uk/whatson for more details.

Judy,
 
just about everything in the UK these days is made in China   - except the people and I suspect they are working on that...
 
 

From: Judy Thomson <judygerard.thomson@...>
To: "" <>
Sent: Wednesday, 21 December 2011, 17:50
Subject: Re: British Library lectures


 
I purchased the catalogue. Also, the British Library is offering some tree decorations, which are very lovely...but one, a white rose, is labeled "White Tudor Rose." Someone with more clout than me ought to gently chide the library's sales' dept; they have a red rose, also, and a shield of the lilies and leopards. The roses could be relabeled York and Lancaster, and the two colour rose, Tudor. I ordered the white one, and it's very nice, albeit Made in China. The quasi-English arms are also well-done with velvet and "bullion" type gold, like old-fashioned pocket patches....

Happy holidays to all and sundry!
Judy
 
Loyaulte me lie

________________________________
From: ejthompsonuk <ej.thompson@...>
To:
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 10:32 AM
Subject: British Library lectures


 
The current British Library exhibition of "Royal Manuscripts" continues until 13 March and is well worth a visit (or two).

There are a number of related lectures, including one on "Towton 1461 and the Destruction of Medieval Kingship" on 30 January and another on Edward IV's court - "The Most Splendid Court in all Christendom" - on 24 February, both at 18.30 in the Library's Conference Centre.
See www.bl.uk/whatson for more details.






Jyd,

Hi, Liz,

Much the same here. Nothing against China, but we've lots of good workers in both our countries. My husband and I have been trying to buy US, UK, Canadian, and EU in recent months. The slight increase in costs is more than offset by durability and quality.

Judy
 
Loyaulte me lie


________________________________
From: liz williams <ferrymansdaughter@...>
To: "" <>
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 6:45 AM
Subject: Re: British Library lectures


 
Judy,
 
just about everything in the UK these days is made in China   - except the people and I suspect they are working on that...
 
 

From: Judy Thomson <judygerard.thomson@...>
To: "" <>
Sent: Wednesday, 21 December 2011, 17:50
Subject: Re: British Library lectures

 
I purchased the catalogue. Also, the British Library is offering some tree decorations, which are very lovely...but one, a white rose, is labeled "White Tudor Rose." Someone with more clout than me ought to gently chide the library's sales' dept; they have a red rose, also, and a shield of the lilies and leopards. The roses could be relabeled York and Lancaster, and the two colour rose, Tudor. I ordered the white one, and it's very nice, albeit Made in China. The quasi-English arms are also well-done with velvet and "bullion" type gold, like old-fashioned pocket patches....

Happy holidays to all and sundry!
Judy
 
Loyaulte me lie

________________________________
From: ejthompsonuk <ej.thompson@...>
To:
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 10:32 AM
Subject: British Library lectures

 
The current British Library exhibition of "Royal Manuscripts" continues until 13 March and is well worth a visit (or two).

There are a number of related lectures, including one on "Towton 1461 and the Destruction of Medieval Kingship" on 30 January and another on Edward IV's court - "The Most Splendid Court in all Christendom" - on 24 February, both at 18.30 in the Library's Conference Centre.
See www.bl.uk/whatson for more details.



Jyd,

I think you are being rather unfair to us Brits Liz. Perhaps London is chiefly non UK originals now, and the bigger cities, and our welfare system is mainly abused by Somalis, Ugandans, and Poles it seems, but the rest of the rural country for the most part remains little England.
The Chinese economy may well save the world's! Well they do have more people than any other country already.......so wherever you are watch out! :-)
Paul



On 22 Dec 2011, at 17:08, Judy Thomson wrote:

> Hi, Liz,
>
> Much the same here. Nothing against China, but we've lots of good workers in both our countries. My husband and I have been trying to buy US, UK, Canadian, and EU in recent months. The slight increase in costs is more than offset by durability and quality.
>
> Judy
>
> Loyaulte me lie
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: liz williams <ferrymansdaughter@...>
> To: "" <>
> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 6:45 AM
> Subject: Re: British Library lectures
>
>
>
> Judy,
>
> just about everything in the UK these days is made in China - except the people and I suspect they are working on that...
>
>
>
> From: Judy Thomson <judygerard.thomson@...>
> To: "" <>
> Sent: Wednesday, 21 December 2011, 17:50
> Subject: Re: British Library lectures
>
>
> I purchased the catalogue. Also, the British Library is offering some tree decorations, which are very lovely...but one, a white rose, is labeled "White Tudor Rose." Someone with more clout than me ought to gently chide the library's sales' dept; they have a red rose, also, and a shield of the lilies and leopards. The roses could be relabeled York and Lancaster, and the two colour rose, Tudor. I ordered the white one, and it's very nice, albeit Made in China. The quasi-English arms are also well-done with velvet and "bullion" type gold, like old-fashioned pocket patches....
>
> Happy holidays to all and sundry!
> Judy
>
> Loyaulte me lie
>
> ________________________________
> From: ejthompsonuk <ej.thompson@...>
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 10:32 AM
> Subject: British Library lectures
>
>
> The current British Library exhibition of "Royal Manuscripts" continues until 13 March and is well worth a visit (or two).
>
> There are a number of related lectures, including one on "Towton 1461 and the Destruction of Medieval Kingship" on 30 January and another on Edward IV's court - "The Most Splendid Court in all Christendom" - on 24 February, both at 18.30 in the Library's Conference Centre.
> See www.bl.uk/whatson for more details.
>
>
>
> Jyd,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

--- In , Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@...> wrote:
>
our welfare system is mainly abused by Somalis, Ugandans, and Poles it seems,

This is an outrageous thing to say! Untrue, and almost actionably racist.

Thank you for speaking up, Nina. It's all to easy and may I say mean
spirited for "us" to blame "them" when things aren't going well. As Pogo
said, "We have met the enemy and he is us."

Joan
---
This Time--General Fiction Finalist of 2010 Next Generation Indie Book
Awards
Loyalty Binds Me--recommended by Midwest Book reviews
website <http://www.joanszechtman.com/> -- blog
<http://rtoaaa.blogspot.com/> --trailer <http://youtu.be/O49HPSN08NI>
ebooks at Smashwords
<http://www.smashwords.com/profile/view/JoanSzechtman>


--- In , "boyd.nina"
<ninaboyd@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In , Paul Trevor Bale
paul.bale@ wrote:
> >
> our welfare system is mainly abused by Somalis, Ugandans, and Poles it
seems,
>
> This is an outrageous thing to say! Untrue, and almost actionably
racist.
>

Well Paul all I can say is that plenty of "native" Brits are extremely adept are abusing the welfare system and while I'm not sure about the others, despite having once lived in Walthamstow which  is very multi ethnic, the  Poles generally seem to have a reputation for being hard working.  I grew up near an RAF base and there were a lot of Poles who had come over during the war and stayed and they were terrific people. 
 
However, but that isn't what I was talking about.  We have zero manufacturing industry here and it is almost impossible to find anything that is made in the UK - that is what I meant, I wasn't having a rant about foreigners in general.


________________________________
From: Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@...>
To:
Sent: Friday, 23 December 2011, 10:59
Subject: Re: British Library lectures


 
I think you are being rather unfair to us Brits Liz. Perhaps London is chiefly non UK originals now, and the bigger cities, and our welfare system is mainly abused by Somalis, Ugandans, and Poles it seems, but the rest of the rural country for the most part remains little England.
The Chinese economy may well save the world's! Well they do have more people than any other country already.......so wherever you are watch out! :-)
Paul

On 22 Dec 2011, at 17:08, Judy Thomson wrote:

> Hi, Liz,
>
> Much the same here. Nothing against China, but we've lots of good workers in both our countries. My husband and I have been trying to buy US, UK, Canadian, and EU in recent months. The slight increase in costs is more than offset by durability and quality.
>
> Judy
>
> Loyaulte me lie
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: liz williams <ferrymansdaughter@...>
> To: "" <>
> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 6:45 AM
> Subject: Re: British Library lectures
>
>
>
> Judy,
>
> just about everything in the UK these days is made in China - except the people and I suspect they are working on that...
>
>
>
> From: Judy Thomson <judygerard.thomson@...>
> To: "" <>
> Sent: Wednesday, 21 December 2011, 17:50
> Subject: Re: British Library lectures
>
>
> I purchased the catalogue. Also, the British Library is offering some tree decorations, which are very lovely...but one, a white rose, is labeled "White Tudor Rose." Someone with more clout than me ought to gently chide the library's sales' dept; they have a red rose, also, and a shield of the lilies and leopards. The roses could be relabeled York and Lancaster, and the two colour rose, Tudor. I ordered the white one, and it's very nice, albeit Made in China. The quasi-English arms are also well-done with velvet and "bullion" type gold, like old-fashioned pocket patches....
>
> Happy holidays to all and sundry!
> Judy
>
> Loyaulte me lie
>
> ________________________________
> From: ejthompsonuk <ej.thompson@...>
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 10:32 AM
> Subject: British Library lectures
>
>
> The current British Library exhibition of "Royal Manuscripts" continues until 13 March and is well worth a visit (or two).
>
> There are a number of related lectures, including one on "Towton 1461 and the Destruction of Medieval Kingship" on 30 January and another on Edward IV's court - "The Most Splendid Court in all Christendom" - on 24 February, both at 18.30 in the Library's Conference Centre.
> See www.bl.uk/whatson for more details.
>
>
>
> Jyd,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Thank you, Liz, Joan and Nina, for your comments.  Paul's remark brought back rather unpleasant memories of our life in the UK.  Our (British) unemployed and welfare recipient neighbours would tell us to "go back were we came from instead of living on their welfare".  If we pointed out to them that were actually working and paying taxes so that they could receive their benefits, they would not believe us.  This was one of the reasons why we decided to live in Australia.  It's a pity if attitudes like this sour the impression others get of a country that has so much to offer.

Cheers, Dorothea





________________________________
From: liz williams <ferrymansdaughter@...>
To: "" <>
Sent: Saturday, 24 December 2011 7:42 AM
Subject: Re: British Library lectures


 
Well Paul all I can say is that plenty of "native" Brits are extremely adept are abusing the welfare system and while I'm not sure about the others, despite having once lived in Walthamstow which  is very multi ethnic, the  Poles generally seem to have a reputation for being hard working.  I grew up near an RAF base and there were a lot of Poles who had come over during the war and stayed and they were terrific people. 
 
However, but that isn't what I was talking about.  We have zero manufacturing industry here and it is almost impossible to find anything that is made in the UK - that is what I meant, I wasn't having a rant about foreigners in general.

________________________________
From: Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@...>
To:
Sent: Friday, 23 December 2011, 10:59
Subject: Re: British Library lectures

 
I think you are being rather unfair to us Brits Liz. Perhaps London is chiefly non UK originals now, and the bigger cities, and our welfare system is mainly abused by Somalis, Ugandans, and Poles it seems, but the rest of the rural country for the most part remains little England.
The Chinese economy may well save the world's! Well they do have more people than any other country already.......so wherever you are watch out! :-)
Paul

On 22 Dec 2011, at 17:08, Judy Thomson wrote:

> Hi, Liz,
>
> Much the same here. Nothing against China, but we've lots of good workers in both our countries. My husband and I have been trying to buy US, UK, Canadian, and EU in recent months. The slight increase in costs is more than offset by durability and quality.
>
> Judy
>
> Loyaulte me lie
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: liz williams <ferrymansdaughter@...>
> To: "" <>
> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 6:45 AM
> Subject: Re: British Library lectures
>
>
>
> Judy,
>
> just about everything in the UK these days is made in China - except the people and I suspect they are working on that...
>
>
>
> From: Judy Thomson <judygerard.thomson@...>
> To: "" <>
> Sent: Wednesday, 21 December 2011, 17:50
> Subject: Re: British Library lectures
>
>
> I purchased the catalogue. Also, the British Library is offering some tree decorations, which are very lovely...but one, a white rose, is labeled "White Tudor Rose." Someone with more clout than me ought to gently chide the library's sales' dept; they have a red rose, also, and a shield of the lilies and leopards. The roses could be relabeled York and Lancaster, and the two colour rose, Tudor. I ordered the white one, and it's very nice, albeit Made in China. The quasi-English arms are also well-done with velvet and "bullion" type gold, like old-fashioned pocket patches....
>
> Happy holidays to all and sundry!
> Judy
>
> Loyaulte me lie
>
> ________________________________
> From: ejthompsonuk <ej.thompson@...>
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 10:32 AM
> Subject: British Library lectures
>
>
> The current British Library exhibition of "Royal Manuscripts" continues until 13 March and is well worth a visit (or two).
>
> There are a number of related lectures, including one on "Towton 1461 and the Destruction of Medieval Kingship" on 30 January and another on Edward IV's court - "The Most Splendid Court in all Christendom" - on 24 February, both at 18.30 in the Library's Conference Centre.
> See www.bl.uk/whatson for more details.
>
>
>
> Jyd,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Thank you, Joan, Liz and Dorothea, for your support. I did have a reply from Paul ("sent privately as if you want to discuss an off the cuff remark best not to stir up an OT discussion on the forum."), which I am glad he didn't post publicly, as it was more repellent and inaccurate) than the original.
I hope this matter is now closed, as this is surely not the place for unpleasantness. I had hoped for better from this forum, but perhaps this was a one-off piece of nastiness. Best wishes to all! Nina

An off list message published without any respect or permission, so as not to start arguments on the list that have nothing to do with Richard which is what you have now succeeded in doing. This is totally unacceptable and you accuse me of bad behaviour!
Repellant? No, I sent you a balanced viewpoint based on evidence. More than you and your narrow minded attitude seem able to the face.
Paul

On 24 Dec 2011, at 08:32, boyd.nina wrote:

> Thank you, Joan, Liz and Dorothea, for your support. I did have a reply from Paul ("sent privately as if you want to discuss an off the cuff remark best not to stir up an OT discussion on the forum."), which I am glad he didn't post publicly, as it was more repellent and inaccurate) than the original.
> I hope this matter is now closed, as this is surely not the place for unpleasantness. I had hoped for better from this forum, but perhaps this was a one-off piece of nastiness. Best wishes to all! Nina
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

My "repellant" reply. Courtesy of Nina's remarks, who clearly knows nothing about the British welfare system. I made no personal attack. Unlike her. So I shall delete all her posts unread from now on as she clearly has opinions on subjects she knows nothing about.

Not intended to be racist and backed up by numerous investigative sourcs including the government!
What is racist about saying that numerous people come here to the Uk claim benefits, then as they now no longer have to sign on, go home and have the money paid into their bank accounts. There is proof all over that this is happening, and benefit cheats come in all colours and classes. Or is it not PC anymore to criticise the system and point out it's weaknesses? The NHS is groaning because so many people who have never paid taxes in this country and given free access to it. The welfare system was not intended for the use of the empire, nor to people who crawl across Europe to claim asylum here. Why not claim in Italy, or France, or Spain, or Portugal, or Germany, or Denmark? Because the UK is an easy touch and does not check up properly on claimants.

On 24 Dec 2011, at 08:32, boyd.nina wrote:

> Thank you, Joan, Liz and Dorothea, for your support. I did have a reply from Paul ("sent privately as if you want to discuss an off the cuff remark best not to stir up an OT discussion on the forum."), which I am glad he didn't post publicly, as it was more repellent and inaccurate) than the original.
> I hope this matter is now closed, as this is surely not the place for unpleasantness. I had hoped for better from this forum, but perhaps this was a one-off piece of nastiness. Best wishes to all! Nina
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Paul, in my opinion, your reaction to welfare fraud is to paint specific
ethnic groups with the same brush that has been tainted by some
individuals of those groups. It would be like, as an American, I would
blame all Muslims for nine-eleven while at the same time not painting
all Christians with the tainted brush of Timothy McVey for his blowing
up the Federal Building in Oklahoma City in 1993. Or to put it in words
more related to this forum, it would be like all those who believe the
Tudor propaganda against Richard III without investigations. People
today aren't much different from people then, and politicians will push
certain points, distorting the facts to suit their own ends then and
now.

Joan
---
This Time--General Fiction Finalist of 2010 Next Generation Indie Book
Awards
Loyalty Binds Me--recommended by Midwest Book reviews
website <http://www.joanszechtman.com/> -- blog
<http://rtoaaa.blogspot.com/> --trailer <http://youtu.be/O49HPSN08NI>
ebooks at Smashwords
<http://www.smashwords.com/profile/view/JoanSzechtman>


--- In , Paul Trevor Bale
<paul.bale@...> wrote:
>
> My "repellant" reply. Courtesy of Nina's remarks, who clearly knows
nothing about the British welfare system. I made no personal attack.
Unlike her. So I shall delete all her posts unread from now on as she
clearly has opinions on subjects she knows nothing about.
>
> Not intended to be racist and backed up by numerous investigative
sourcs including the government!
> What is racist about saying that numerous people come here to the Uk
claim benefits, then as they now no longer have to sign on, go home and
have the money paid into their bank accounts. There is proof all over
that this is happening, and benefit cheats come in all colours and
classes. Or is it not PC anymore to criticise the system and point out
it's weaknesses? The NHS is groaning because so many people who have
never paid taxes in this country and given free access to it. The
welfare system was not intended for the use of the empire, nor to people
who crawl across Europe to claim asylum here. Why not claim in Italy, or
France, or Spain, or Portugal, or Germany, or Denmark? Because the UK is
an easy touch and does not check up properly on claimants.
>
> On 24 Dec 2011, at 08:32, boyd.nina wrote:
>
> > Thank you, Joan, Liz and Dorothea, for your support. I did have a
reply from Paul ("sent privately as if you want to discuss an off the
cuff remark best not to stir up an OT discussion on the forum."), which
I am glad he didn't post publicly, as it was more repellent and
inaccurate) than the original.
> > I hope this matter is now closed, as this is surely not the place
for unpleasantness. I had hoped for better from this forum, but perhaps
this was a one-off piece of nastiness. Best wishes to all! Nina
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>

To all concerned.

This topic is closed as of now while I look into the emails to get a better understanding of what has been said and make my reply.

Regards,

Neil

Forum Moderator




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On 24 Dec 2011, at 15:42, "joanszechtman" <u2nohoo@...> wrote:

> Paul, in my opinion, your reaction to welfare fraud is to paint specific
> ethnic groups with the same brush that has been tainted by some
> individuals of those groups. It would be like, as an American, I would
> blame all Muslims for nine-eleven while at the same time not painting
> all Christians with the tainted brush of Timothy McVey for his blowing
> up the Federal Building in Oklahoma City in 1993. Or to put it in words
> more related to this forum, it would be like all those who believe the
> Tudor propaganda against Richard III without investigations. People
> today aren't much different from people then, and politicians will push
> certain points, distorting the facts to suit their own ends then and
> now.
>
> Joan
> ---
> This Time--General Fiction Finalist of 2010 Next Generation Indie Book
> Awards
> Loyalty Binds Me--recommended by Midwest Book reviews
> website <http://www.joanszechtman.com/> -- blog
> <http://rtoaaa.blogspot.com/> --trailer <http://youtu.be/O49HPSN08NI>
> ebooks at Smashwords
> <http://www.smashwords.com/profile/view/JoanSzechtman>
>
> --- In , Paul Trevor Bale
> <paul.bale@...> wrote:
> >
> > My "repellant" reply. Courtesy of Nina's remarks, who clearly knows
> nothing about the British welfare system. I made no personal attack.
> Unlike her. So I shall delete all her posts unread from now on as she
> clearly has opinions on subjects she knows nothing about.
> >
> > Not intended to be racist and backed up by numerous investigative
> sourcs including the government!
> > What is racist about saying that numerous people come here to the Uk
> claim benefits, then as they now no longer have to sign on, go home and
> have the money paid into their bank accounts. There is proof all over
> that this is happening, and benefit cheats come in all colours and
> classes. Or is it not PC anymore to criticise the system and point out
> it's weaknesses? The NHS is groaning because so many people who have
> never paid taxes in this country and given free access to it. The
> welfare system was not intended for the use of the empire, nor to people
> who crawl across Europe to claim asylum here. Why not claim in Italy, or
> France, or Spain, or Portugal, or Germany, or Denmark? Because the UK is
> an easy touch and does not check up properly on claimants.
> >
> > On 24 Dec 2011, at 08:32, boyd.nina wrote:
> >
> > > Thank you, Joan, Liz and Dorothea, for your support. I did have a
> reply from Paul ("sent privately as if you want to discuss an off the
> cuff remark best not to stir up an OT discussion on the forum."), which
> I am glad he didn't post publicly, as it was more repellent and
> inaccurate) than the original.
> > > I hope this matter is now closed, as this is surely not the place
> for unpleasantness. I had hoped for better from this forum, but perhaps
> this was a one-off piece of nastiness. Best wishes to all! Nina
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>