Hi!

...think it would be easier to get into Fort Knox than this Forum, but better late than never!

I've been having a look around and there's some grreat discussions. I won't anyone anything though, I know how annoying having brains picked and then not acknowledged is.

THANKS VERY MUCH for having me!

Good Soc, good forum.

Cheers.
Ed

--- In , "blancsanglier1452" <blancsanglier1452@...> wrote:
>
> ...think it would be easier to get into Fort Knox than this Forum, but better late than never!
>
> I've been having a look around and there's some grreat discussions. I won't anyone anything though, I know how annoying having brains picked and then not acknowledged is.
>
> THANKS VERY MUCH for having me!
>
> Good Soc, good forum.
>
> Cheers.
> Ed
>

Corrigendum... "I won't anyone anything though" should probably read "I won't ASK anyone anything though"!!!

That was a good start ;)

LOL! we filled in the 'blancs'!
Great email handle by the way...!!

On 7 August 2012 12:35, blancsanglier1452 <blancsanglier1452@...>wrote:

> **
>
>
>
>
> --- In , "blancsanglier1452"
> <blancsanglier1452@...> wrote:
> >
> > ...think it would be easier to get into Fort Knox than this Forum, but
> better late than never!
> >
> > I've been having a look around and there's some grreat discussions. I
> won't anyone anything though, I know how annoying having brains picked and
> then not acknowledged is.
> >
> > THANKS VERY MUCH for having me!
> >
> > Good Soc, good forum.
> >
> > Cheers.
> > Ed
> >
>
> Corrigendum... "I won't anyone anything though" should probably read "I
> won't ASK anyone anything though"!!!
>
> That was a good start ;)
>
>
>



--
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The Antiques Boutique & Ceramic Restoration/Conservation Services
Baddeck, Nova Scotia.
Tel: 902 295 9013 / 1329

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Cheers! Huh, academically I got pretend to be impartial eh, but still read Potter under the duvet after lights out!!! ;)

PS: can I break my promise immediatly, and ask if you know what 'farm of the subsidy' means?! Can't find out in any book I've got or online :(

No probs iif not!!! Been tearing me blooming hair out over it for the last 3+ hours though.

Thanks for the welcome Lisa!


--- In , "Lisa @ The Antiques Boutique" <lisa.holtjones@...> wrote:
>
> LOL! we filled in the 'blancs'!
> Great email handle by the way...!!
>
> On 7 August 2012 12:35, blancsanglier1452 <blancsanglier1452@...>wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In , "blancsanglier1452"
> > <blancsanglier1452@> wrote:
> > >
> > > ...think it would be easier to get into Fort Knox than this Forum, but
> > better late than never!
> > >
> > > I've been having a look around and there's some grreat discussions. I
> > won't anyone anything though, I know how annoying having brains picked and
> > then not acknowledged is.
> > >
> > > THANKS VERY MUCH for having me!
> > >
> > > Good Soc, good forum.
> > >
> > > Cheers.
> > > Ed
> > >
> >
> > Corrigendum... "I won't anyone anything though" should probably read "I
> > won't ASK anyone anything though"!!!
> >
> > That was a good start ;)
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Lisa
> The Antiques Boutique & Ceramic Restoration/Conservation Services
> Baddeck, Nova Scotia.
> Tel: 902 295 9013 / 1329
>
> www.Antiques-Boutique.com <http://www.antiques-boutique.com/>
> Like us on *www.facebook.com/TheAntiquesBoutique*
> View our Ceramic Restoration Photos
> <https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.398988066799604.100100.108554399176307&type=1&l=cd560aff9f>
>
>
>
>

What's the context of the statement farm of the subsidy ? Is it in a book
or manuscript? From a British or non British setting?
Lisa

On 7 August 2012 14:28, blancsanglier1452 <blancsanglier1452@...>wrote:

> **
>
>
> Cheers! Huh, academically I got pretend to be impartial eh, but still read
> Potter under the duvet after lights out!!! ;)
>
> PS: can I break my promise immediatly, and ask if you know what 'farm of
> the subsidy' means?! Can't find out in any book I've got or online :(
>
> No probs iif not!!! Been tearing me blooming hair out over it for the last
> 3+ hours though.
>
> Thanks for the welcome Lisa!
>
> --- In , "Lisa @ The Antiques
> Boutique" <lisa.holtjones@...> wrote:
> >
> > LOL! we filled in the 'blancs'!
> > Great email handle by the way...!!
> >
> > On 7 August 2012 12:35, blancsanglier1452 <blancsanglier1452@...>wrote:
> >
> > > **
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In , "blancsanglier1452"
> > > <blancsanglier1452@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > ...think it would be easier to get into Fort Knox than this Forum,
> but
> > > better late than never!
> > > >
> > > > I've been having a look around and there's some grreat discussions. I
> > > won't anyone anything though, I know how annoying having brains picked
> and
> > > then not acknowledged is.
> > > >
> > > > THANKS VERY MUCH for having me!
> > > >
> > > > Good Soc, good forum.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers.
> > > > Ed
> > > >
> > >
> > > Corrigendum... "I won't anyone anything though" should probably read "I
> > > won't ASK anyone anything though"!!!
> > >
> > > That was a good start ;)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Lisa
> > The Antiques Boutique & Ceramic Restoration/Conservation Services
> > Baddeck, Nova Scotia.
> > Tel: 902 295 9013 / 1329
> >
> > www.Antiques-Boutique.com <http://www.antiques-boutique.com/>
> > Like us on *www.facebook.com/TheAntiquesBoutique*
> > View our Ceramic Restoration Photos
> > <
> https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.398988066799604.100100.108554399176307&type=1&l=cd560aff9f
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>



--
Lisa
The Antiques Boutique & Ceramic Restoration/Conservation Services
Baddeck, Nova Scotia.
Tel: 902 295 9013 / 1329

www.Antiques-Boutique.com <http://www.antiques-boutique.com/>
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Thanks for the reply, I feel a bit naughty about breaking my word. Dictum non est mein pactum?! lol

It's from an entry in the Fine Rolls calendar, "a commitment to X by X... of the farm of the subsidy and the alnage of cloths for sale"; (I'm OK with the 'alnage') it's quite a long entry but if you can access it it's the Calendar of Fie Rolls, Membrane 1 (8) 735. Mind you if it is online it's blooming annoying because I spent half of yesterday sweating  over a photocopier ;)

It's obviously something related to a subsidy? Or is it a misreading of 'form', as in maybe the original says 'the form of subsidy'...? Sorry I'm sort of rambling to myself!



________________________________
From: "Lisa @ The Antiques Boutique" <lisa.holtjones@...>
To:
Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2012 6:36 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Hi!

What's the context of the statement  farm of the subsidy ? Is it in a book
or manuscript? From a British or non British setting?
Lisa

On 7 August 2012 14:28, blancsanglier1452 <blancsanglier1452@...>wrote:

> **
>
>
> Cheers! Huh, academically I got pretend to be impartial eh, but still read
> Potter under the duvet after lights out!!! ;)
>
> PS: can I break my promise immediatly, and ask if you know what 'farm of
> the subsidy' means?! Can't find out in any book I've got or online :(
>
> No probs iif not!!! Been tearing me blooming hair out over it for the last
> 3+ hours though.
>
> Thanks for the welcome Lisa!
>
> --- In , "Lisa @ The Antiques
> Boutique" <lisa.holtjones@...> wrote:
> >
> > LOL! we filled in the 'blancs'!
> > Great email handle by the way...!!
> >
> > On 7 August 2012 12:35, blancsanglier1452 <blancsanglier1452@...>wrote:
> >
> > > **
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In , "blancsanglier1452"
> > > <blancsanglier1452@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > ...think it would be easier to get into Fort Knox than this Forum,
> but
> > > better late than never!
> > > >
> > > > I've been having a look around and there's some grreat discussions. I
> > > won't anyone anything though, I know how annoying having brains picked
> and
> > > then not acknowledged is.
> > > >
> > > > THANKS VERY MUCH for having me!
> > > >
> > > > Good Soc, good forum.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers.
> > > > Ed
> > > >
> > >
> > > Corrigendum... "I won't anyone anything though" should probably read "I
> > > won't ASK anyone anything though"!!!
> > >
> > > That was a good start ;)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Lisa
> > The Antiques Boutique & Ceramic Restoration/Conservation Services
> > Baddeck, Nova Scotia.
> > Tel: 902 295 9013 / 1329
> >
> > www.Antiques-Boutique.com <http://www.antiques-boutique.com/>
> > Like us on *www.facebook.com/TheAntiquesBoutique*
> > View our Ceramic Restoration Photos
> > <
> https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.398988066799604.100100.108554399176307&type=1&l=cd560aff9f
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> 
>



--
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The Antiques Boutique & Ceramic Restoration/Conservation Services
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Tel: 902 295 9013 / 1329

www.Antiques-Boutique.com <http://www.antiques-boutique.com/>
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welcome to the group. in the era you are researching, a subsidy was somewhat like a tax paid to the king/crown or church.
 
in our era, a subsidy comes to the famer via government/heirarchy.
 
without knowing the context, it is a bit difficult to actually define what you are looking for. but my best guess is the farmer had to pay or tithe either crops, cash or goods of equivelant value to the owner or holder of the land. (the crown actually owned all the land, nobles and gentry could hold in the name of the crown or a higher muckie-muck".
 
roslyn
--- On Tue, 8/7/12, blancsanglier1452 <blancsanglier1452@...> wrote:


From: blancsanglier1452 <blancsanglier1452@...>
Subject: Re: Hi!
To:
Received: Tuesday, August 7, 2012, 1:28 PM



 



Cheers! Huh, academically I got pretend to be impartial eh, but still read Potter under the duvet after lights out!!! ;)

PS: can I break my promise immediatly, and ask if you know what 'farm of the subsidy' means?! Can't find out in any book I've got or online :(

No probs iif not!!! Been tearing me blooming hair out over it for the last 3+ hours though.

Thanks for the welcome Lisa!

--- In , "Lisa @ The Antiques Boutique" <lisa.holtjones@...> wrote:
>
> LOL! we filled in the 'blancs'!
> Great email handle by the way...!!
>
> On 7 August 2012 12:35, blancsanglier1452 <blancsanglier1452@...>wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In , "blancsanglier1452"
> > <blancsanglier1452@> wrote:
> > >
> > > ...think it would be easier to get into Fort Knox than this Forum, but
> > better late than never!
> > >
> > > I've been having a look around and there's some grreat discussions. I
> > won't anyone anything though, I know how annoying having brains picked and
> > then not acknowledged is.
> > >
> > > THANKS VERY MUCH for having me!
> > >
> > > Good Soc, good forum.
> > >
> > > Cheers.
> > > Ed
> > >
> >
> > Corrigendum... "I won't anyone anything though" should probably read "I
> > won't ASK anyone anything though"!!!
> >
> > That was a good start ;)
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Lisa
> The Antiques Boutique & Ceramic Restoration/Conservation Services
> Baddeck, Nova Scotia.
> Tel: 902 295 9013 / 1329
>
> www.Antiques-Boutique.com <http://www.antiques-boutique.com/>
> Like us on *www.facebook.com/TheAntiquesBoutique*
> View our Ceramic Restoration Photos
> <https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.398988066799604.100100.108554399176307&type=1&l=cd560aff9f>
>
>
>
>

Hi Roslyn, and thanks for the reply! Here's the exact CFR entry, May
19th 1483:


Commitment to John Brugge, -by mainprise of John Kymer of Pole, co.
Dorset, `gentilman,' and Richard Tery of London,
`goldsmythe,' –of the farm of the subsidy and alnage of
cloths for sale, together with a moiety of the forfeiture of unsealed
cloths exposed for sale, in the town and suburbs of Bristol; to hold
from Easter last until Michaelmas following, rendering 32l. 6d.
(according to the yearly rate of 64l. 12d. for which answer has been
made to the king) and an increment of 12d., and answering for the other
moiety of the forfeiture ; with proviso for the increase of the farm,
and appointment of the said John Brugge as alnager and collector in
terms as above.




I've worked it all out APART from the actual 'farm of the subsidy'; I'm
not sure it's about an actual farm itself, as the whole entry is about
cloth taxes for merchants in Poole! Thanks for your help, appreciate it!





Ed


--- In , fayre rose
<fayreroze@...> wrote:
>
>
> welcome to the group. in the era you are researching, a subsidy was
somewhat like a tax paid to the king/crown or church.
> Â
> in our era, a subsidy comes to the famer via government/heirarchy.
> Â
> without knowing the context, it is a bit difficult to actually define
what you are looking for. but my best guess is the farmer had to pay or
tithe either crops, cash or goods of equivelant value to the owner or
holder of the land. (the crown actually owned all the land, nobles and
gentry could hold in the name of the crown or a higher muckie-muck".
> Â
> roslyn
> --- On Tue, 8/7/12, blancsanglier1452 blancsanglier1452@... wrote:
>
>
> From: blancsanglier1452 blancsanglier1452@...
> Subject: Re: Hi!
> To:
> Received: Tuesday, August 7, 2012, 1:28 PM
>
>
>
> Â
>
>
>
> Cheers! Huh, academically I got pretend to be impartial eh, but still
read Potter under the duvet after lights out!!! ;)
>
> PS: can I break my promise immediatly, and ask if you know what 'farm
of the subsidy' means?! Can't find out in any book I've got or online :(
>
> No probs iif not!!! Been tearing me blooming hair out over it for the
last 3+ hours though.
>
> Thanks for the welcome Lisa!
>
> --- In , "Lisa @ The Antiques
Boutique" lisa.holtjones@ wrote:
> >
> > LOL! we filled in the 'blancs'!
> > Great email handle by the way...!!
> >
> > On 7 August 2012 12:35, blancsanglier1452 blancsanglier1452@wrote:
> >
> > > **
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In , "blancsanglier1452"
> > > <blancsanglier1452@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > ...think it would be easier to get into Fort Knox than this
Forum, but
> > > better late than never!
> > > >
> > > > I've been having a look around and there's some grreat
discussions. I
> > > won't anyone anything though, I know how annoying having brains
picked and
> > > then not acknowledged is.
> > > >
> > > > THANKS VERY MUCH for having me!
> > > >
> > > > Good Soc, good forum.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers.
> > > > Ed
> > > >
> > >
> > > Corrigendum... "I won't anyone anything though" should probably
read "I
> > > won't ASK anyone anything though"!!!
> > >
> > > That was a good start ;)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Lisa
> > The Antiques Boutique & Ceramic Restoration/Conservation Services
> > Baddeck, Nova Scotia.
> > Tel: 902 295 9013 / 1329
> >
> > www.Antiques-Boutique.com <http://www.antiques-boutique.com/>
> > Like us on *www.facebook.com/TheAntiquesBoutique*
> > View our Ceramic Restoration Photos
> >
<https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.398988066799604.100100.108554\
399176307&type=1&l=cd560aff9f>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Could he have been a "subsidy-farmer"/ "tax-farmer" - one who collects subsidies and pays them to the Treasury, in exchange for keeping a slice?

----- Original Message -----
From: blancsanglier1452
To:
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 7:12 PM
Subject: Re: Hi!



Hi Roslyn, and thanks for the reply! Here's the exact CFR entry, May
19th 1483:

Commitment to John Brugge, -by mainprise of John Kymer of Pole, co.
Dorset, `gentilman,' and Richard Tery of London,
`goldsmythe,' -of the farm of the subsidy and alnage of
cloths for sale, together with a moiety of the forfeiture of unsealed
cloths exposed for sale, in the town and suburbs of Bristol; to hold
from Easter last until Michaelmas following, rendering 32l. 6d.
(according to the yearly rate of 64l. 12d. for which answer has been
made to the king) and an increment of 12d., and answering for the other
moiety of the forfeiture ; with proviso for the increase of the farm,
and appointment of the said John Brugge as alnager and collector in
terms as above.

I've worked it all out APART from the actual 'farm of the subsidy'; I'm
not sure it's about an actual farm itself, as the whole entry is about
cloth taxes for merchants in Poole! Thanks for your help, appreciate it!

Ed

--- In , fayre rose
<fayreroze@...> wrote:
>
>
> welcome to the group. in the era you are researching, a subsidy was
somewhat like a tax paid to the king/crown or church.
> Â
> in our era, a subsidy comes to the famer via government/heirarchy.
> Â
> without knowing the context, it is a bit difficult to actually define
what you are looking for. but my best guess is the farmer had to pay or
tithe either crops, cash or goods of equivelant value to the owner or
holder of the land. (the crown actually owned all the land, nobles and
gentry could hold in the name of the crown or a higher muckie-muck".
> Â
> roslyn
> --- On Tue, 8/7/12, blancsanglier1452 blancsanglier1452@... wrote:
>
>
> From: blancsanglier1452 blancsanglier1452@...
> Subject: Re: Hi!
> To:
> Received: Tuesday, August 7, 2012, 1:28 PM
>
>
>
> Â
>
>
>
> Cheers! Huh, academically I got pretend to be impartial eh, but still
read Potter under the duvet after lights out!!! ;)
>
> PS: can I break my promise immediatly, and ask if you know what 'farm
of the subsidy' means?! Can't find out in any book I've got or online :(
>
> No probs iif not!!! Been tearing me blooming hair out over it for the
last 3+ hours though.
>
> Thanks for the welcome Lisa!
>
> --- In , "Lisa @ The Antiques
Boutique" lisa.holtjones@ wrote:
> >
> > LOL! we filled in the 'blancs'!
> > Great email handle by the way...!!
> >
> > On 7 August 2012 12:35, blancsanglier1452 blancsanglier1452@wrote:
> >
> > > **
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In , "blancsanglier1452"
> > > <blancsanglier1452@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > ...think it would be easier to get into Fort Knox than this
Forum, but
> > > better late than never!
> > > >
> > > > I've been having a look around and there's some grreat
discussions. I
> > > won't anyone anything though, I know how annoying having brains
picked and
> > > then not acknowledged is.
> > > >
> > > > THANKS VERY MUCH for having me!
> > > >
> > > > Good Soc, good forum.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers.
> > > > Ed
> > > >
> > >
> > > Corrigendum... "I won't anyone anything though" should probably
read "I
> > > won't ASK anyone anything though"!!!
> > >
> > > That was a good start ;)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Lisa
> > The Antiques Boutique & Ceramic Restoration/Conservation Services
> > Baddeck, Nova Scotia.
> > Tel: 902 295 9013 / 1329
> >
> > www.Antiques-Boutique.com <http://www.antiques-boutique.com/>
> > Like us on *www.facebook.com/TheAntiquesBoutique*
> > View our Ceramic Restoration Photos
> >
<https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.398988066799604.100100.108554\
399176307&type=1&l=cd560aff9f>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

BINGO.

I think you might just have it sir.

As in, someone who has it ('it' being responsibilty for collecting?) 'farmed out' to them. It would make sense, cheers!

It's been breaking my head for the afternoon; thanks to everyone for their help!
Now- next question-!
(Joke!)

Ed

--- In , "Stephen Lark" <stephenmlark@...> wrote:
>
> Could he have been a "subsidy-farmer"/ "tax-farmer" - one who collects subsidies and pays them to the Treasury, in exchange for keeping a slice?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: blancsanglier1452
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 7:12 PM
> Subject: Re: Hi!
>
>
>
> Hi Roslyn, and thanks for the reply! Here's the exact CFR entry, May
> 19th 1483:
>
> Commitment to John Brugge, -by mainprise of John Kymer of Pole, co.
> Dorset, `gentilman,' and Richard Tery of London,
> `goldsmythe,' -of the farm of the subsidy and alnage of
> cloths for sale, together with a moiety of the forfeiture of unsealed
> cloths exposed for sale, in the town and suburbs of Bristol; to hold
> from Easter last until Michaelmas following, rendering 32l. 6d.
> (according to the yearly rate of 64l. 12d. for which answer has been
> made to the king) and an increment of 12d., and answering for the other
> moiety of the forfeiture ; with proviso for the increase of the farm,
> and appointment of the said John Brugge as alnager and collector in
> terms as above.
>
> I've worked it all out APART from the actual 'farm of the subsidy'; I'm
> not sure it's about an actual farm itself, as the whole entry is about
> cloth taxes for merchants in Poole! Thanks for your help, appreciate it!
>
> Ed
>
> --- In , fayre rose
> <fayreroze@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > welcome to the group. in the era you are researching, a subsidy was
> somewhat like a tax paid to the king/crown or church.
> > Â
> > in our era, a subsidy comes to the famer via government/heirarchy.
> > Â
> > without knowing the context, it is a bit difficult to actually define
> what you are looking for. but my best guess is the farmer had to pay or
> tithe either crops, cash or goods of equivelant value to the owner or
> holder of the land. (the crown actually owned all the land, nobles and
> gentry could hold in the name of the crown or a higher muckie-muck".
> > Â
> > roslyn
> > --- On Tue, 8/7/12, blancsanglier1452 blancsanglier1452@ wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: blancsanglier1452 blancsanglier1452@
> > Subject: Re: Hi!
> > To:
> > Received: Tuesday, August 7, 2012, 1:28 PM
> >
> >
> >
> > Â
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers! Huh, academically I got pretend to be impartial eh, but still
> read Potter under the duvet after lights out!!! ;)
> >
> > PS: can I break my promise immediatly, and ask if you know what 'farm
> of the subsidy' means?! Can't find out in any book I've got or online :(
> >
> > No probs iif not!!! Been tearing me blooming hair out over it for the
> last 3+ hours though.
> >
> > Thanks for the welcome Lisa!
> >
> > --- In , "Lisa @ The Antiques
> Boutique" lisa.holtjones@ wrote:
> > >
> > > LOL! we filled in the 'blancs'!
> > > Great email handle by the way...!!
> > >
> > > On 7 August 2012 12:35, blancsanglier1452 blancsanglier1452@wrote:
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> > > > **
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> > > > --- In , "blancsanglier1452"
> > > > <blancsanglier1452@> wrote:
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> > > > > ...think it would be easier to get into Fort Knox than this
> Forum, but
> > > > better late than never!
> > > > >
> > > > > I've been having a look around and there's some grreat
> discussions. I
> > > > won't anyone anything though, I know how annoying having brains
> picked and
> > > > then not acknowledged is.
> > > > >
> > > > > THANKS VERY MUCH for having me!
> > > > >
> > > > > Good Soc, good forum.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers.
> > > > > Ed
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Corrigendum... "I won't anyone anything though" should probably
> read "I
> > > > won't ASK anyone anything though"!!!
> > > >
> > > > That was a good start ;)
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> > > The Antiques Boutique & Ceramic Restoration/Conservation Services
> > > Baddeck, Nova Scotia.
> > > Tel: 902 295 9013 / 1329
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Of course it ends 'By bill of the treasurer', meaning John Kymer has been appointed by commission etc, and he has sub-contracted it.

CHEERS!

Let me write that down, and I'll be back...
Ed

--- In , "blancsanglier1452" <blancsanglier1452@...> wrote:
>
> BINGO.
>
> I think you might just have it sir.
>
> As in, someone who has it ('it' being responsibilty for collecting?) 'farmed out' to them. It would make sense, cheers!
>
> It's been breaking my head for the afternoon; thanks to everyone for their help!
> Now- next question-!
> (Joke!)
>
> Ed
>
> --- In , "Stephen Lark" <stephenmlark@> wrote:
> >
> > Could he have been a "subsidy-farmer"/ "tax-farmer" - one who collects subsidies and pays them to the Treasury, in exchange for keeping a slice?
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: blancsanglier1452
> > To:
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 7:12 PM
> > Subject: Re: Hi!
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Roslyn, and thanks for the reply! Here's the exact CFR entry, May
> > 19th 1483:
> >
> > Commitment to John Brugge, -by mainprise of John Kymer of Pole, co.
> > Dorset, `gentilman,' and Richard Tery of London,
> > `goldsmythe,' -of the farm of the subsidy and alnage of
> > cloths for sale, together with a moiety of the forfeiture of unsealed
> > cloths exposed for sale, in the town and suburbs of Bristol; to hold
> > from Easter last until Michaelmas following, rendering 32l. 6d.
> > (according to the yearly rate of 64l. 12d. for which answer has been
> > made to the king) and an increment of 12d., and answering for the other
> > moiety of the forfeiture ; with proviso for the increase of the farm,
> > and appointment of the said John Brugge as alnager and collector in
> > terms as above.
> >
> > I've worked it all out APART from the actual 'farm of the subsidy'; I'm
> > not sure it's about an actual farm itself, as the whole entry is about
> > cloth taxes for merchants in Poole! Thanks for your help, appreciate it!
> >
> > Ed
> >
> > --- In , fayre rose
> > <fayreroze@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > welcome to the group. in the era you are researching, a subsidy was
> > somewhat like a tax paid to the king/crown or church.
> > > Â
> > > in our era, a subsidy comes to the famer via government/heirarchy.
> > > Â
> > > without knowing the context, it is a bit difficult to actually define
> > what you are looking for. but my best guess is the farmer had to pay or
> > tithe either crops, cash or goods of equivelant value to the owner or
> > holder of the land. (the crown actually owned all the land, nobles and
> > gentry could hold in the name of the crown or a higher muckie-muck".
> > > Â
> > > roslyn
> > > --- On Tue, 8/7/12, blancsanglier1452 blancsanglier1452@ wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: blancsanglier1452 blancsanglier1452@
> > > Subject: Re: Hi!
> > > To:
> > > Received: Tuesday, August 7, 2012, 1:28 PM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Â
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheers! Huh, academically I got pretend to be impartial eh, but still
> > read Potter under the duvet after lights out!!! ;)
> > >
> > > PS: can I break my promise immediatly, and ask if you know what 'farm
> > of the subsidy' means?! Can't find out in any book I've got or online :(
> > >
> > > No probs iif not!!! Been tearing me blooming hair out over it for the
> > last 3+ hours though.
> > >
> > > Thanks for the welcome Lisa!
> > >
> > > --- In , "Lisa @ The Antiques
> > Boutique" lisa.holtjones@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > LOL! we filled in the 'blancs'!
> > > > Great email handle by the way...!!
> > > >
> > > > On 7 August 2012 12:35, blancsanglier1452 blancsanglier1452@wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > **
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> > > > >
> > > > > --- In , "blancsanglier1452"
> > > > > <blancsanglier1452@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ...think it would be easier to get into Fort Knox than this
> > Forum, but
> > > > > better late than never!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I've been having a look around and there's some grreat
> > discussions. I
> > > > > won't anyone anything though, I know how annoying having brains
> > picked and
> > > > > then not acknowledged is.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > THANKS VERY MUCH for having me!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Good Soc, good forum.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cheers.
> > > > > > Ed
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Corrigendum... "I won't anyone anything though" should probably
> > read "I
> > > > > won't ASK anyone anything though"!!!
> > > > >
> > > > > That was a good start ;)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Lisa
> > > > The Antiques Boutique & Ceramic Restoration/Conservation Services
> > > > Baddeck, Nova Scotia.
> > > > Tel: 902 295 9013 / 1329
> > > >
> > > > www.Antiques-Boutique.com <http://www.antiques-boutique.com/>
> > > > Like us on *www.facebook.com/TheAntiquesBoutique*
> > > > View our Ceramic Restoration Photos
> > > >
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