Presenting the History of The Tower of London
Presenting the History of The Tower of London
2012-08-12 17:19:12
Hi Lisa and others interested in the Tower of London and in response to your advert. Last summer I visited the Tower with the intention of researching specific interests, namely the Bloody Tower and its associations with The Princes in the Tower and Sir Walter Raleigh, The Lower Bowyer Tower, - Clarence, the Martin Tower for The Wizard Earl - Northumberland and Tower Green, Scaffold site and the Chapel. I did not have time to visit the White Tower so shall visit that this summer hopefully. I have always felt uneasy regarding the Tower because of its associations with cruelty, oppression and the rule of tyrants but feltcompelled to overcome these in the interests of research. I did not join the organised guides of Beefeaters who are primarily aimed at children but occasionally listened in to one of the guides. I teach history and the periods they were covering were familiar to me.
I understand their need to make it interesting and to grab their audience even if it extends to reinterpreting events and to sensationalise aspects. There were displays in the Bloody Tower above Raleigh's rooms about murders that had taken place in the Tower such as Sir Thomas Overbury's poisoning in gruesome detail and the Princes' murder with audience participation requested as to whom was the likelier murderer, with a list of suspects given. No clues for guessing who were the suspects, but there were only two and the information given was biased in favour of one.
The Lower Bowyer Tower where Clarence was held was more restrained and it was possible to get a feel of the oppressive atmosphere which was helped by a definite lack of props.
Your poster of the monstrous Henry, whose crimes I feel should never be minimised, is ironic and I can see the humour, however I feel it does a disservice to all of his victims and there were at least 70,000 maybe more. After my visit I felt a sense of unease for some time at the way those in charge have decided to present the history of the Tower as I feel all the suffering that people endured there is glossed over and the presentation concentrated on the ghoulish and sensationalist aspect which I felt uncomfortable with.
I understand their need to make it interesting and to grab their audience even if it extends to reinterpreting events and to sensationalise aspects. There were displays in the Bloody Tower above Raleigh's rooms about murders that had taken place in the Tower such as Sir Thomas Overbury's poisoning in gruesome detail and the Princes' murder with audience participation requested as to whom was the likelier murderer, with a list of suspects given. No clues for guessing who were the suspects, but there were only two and the information given was biased in favour of one.
The Lower Bowyer Tower where Clarence was held was more restrained and it was possible to get a feel of the oppressive atmosphere which was helped by a definite lack of props.
Your poster of the monstrous Henry, whose crimes I feel should never be minimised, is ironic and I can see the humour, however I feel it does a disservice to all of his victims and there were at least 70,000 maybe more. After my visit I felt a sense of unease for some time at the way those in charge have decided to present the history of the Tower as I feel all the suffering that people endured there is glossed over and the presentation concentrated on the ghoulish and sensationalist aspect which I felt uncomfortable with.
Re: Presenting the History of The Tower of London
2012-08-12 17:21:18
I forgot to put put my name at the bottom.
Elaine
--- In , "ellrosa1452" <kathryn198@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Lisa and others interested in the Tower of London and in response to your advert. Last summer I visited the Tower with the intention of researching specific interests, namely the Bloody Tower and its associations with The Princes in the Tower and Sir Walter Raleigh, The Lower Bowyer Tower, - Clarence, the Martin Tower for The Wizard Earl - Northumberland and Tower Green, Scaffold site and the Chapel. I did not have time to visit the White Tower so shall visit that this summer hopefully. I have always felt uneasy regarding the Tower because of its associations with cruelty, oppression and the rule of tyrants but feltcompelled to overcome these in the interests of research. I did not join the organised guides of Beefeaters who are primarily aimed at children but occasionally listened in to one of the guides. I teach history and the periods they were covering were familiar to me.
>
> I understand their need to make it interesting and to grab their audience even if it extends to reinterpreting events and to sensationalise aspects. There were displays in the Bloody Tower above Raleigh's rooms about murders that had taken place in the Tower such as Sir Thomas Overbury's poisoning in gruesome detail and the Princes' murder with audience participation requested as to whom was the likelier murderer, with a list of suspects given. No clues for guessing who were the suspects, but there were only two and the information given was biased in favour of one.
>
> The Lower Bowyer Tower where Clarence was held was more restrained and it was possible to get a feel of the oppressive atmosphere which was helped by a definite lack of props.
>
> Your poster of the monstrous Henry, whose crimes I feel should never be minimised, is ironic and I can see the humour, however I feel it does a disservice to all of his victims and there were at least 70,000 maybe more. After my visit I felt a sense of unease for some time at the way those in charge have decided to present the history of the Tower as I feel all the suffering that people endured there is glossed over and the presentation concentrated on the ghoulish and sensationalist aspect which I felt uncomfortable with.
>
Elaine
--- In , "ellrosa1452" <kathryn198@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Lisa and others interested in the Tower of London and in response to your advert. Last summer I visited the Tower with the intention of researching specific interests, namely the Bloody Tower and its associations with The Princes in the Tower and Sir Walter Raleigh, The Lower Bowyer Tower, - Clarence, the Martin Tower for The Wizard Earl - Northumberland and Tower Green, Scaffold site and the Chapel. I did not have time to visit the White Tower so shall visit that this summer hopefully. I have always felt uneasy regarding the Tower because of its associations with cruelty, oppression and the rule of tyrants but feltcompelled to overcome these in the interests of research. I did not join the organised guides of Beefeaters who are primarily aimed at children but occasionally listened in to one of the guides. I teach history and the periods they were covering were familiar to me.
>
> I understand their need to make it interesting and to grab their audience even if it extends to reinterpreting events and to sensationalise aspects. There were displays in the Bloody Tower above Raleigh's rooms about murders that had taken place in the Tower such as Sir Thomas Overbury's poisoning in gruesome detail and the Princes' murder with audience participation requested as to whom was the likelier murderer, with a list of suspects given. No clues for guessing who were the suspects, but there were only two and the information given was biased in favour of one.
>
> The Lower Bowyer Tower where Clarence was held was more restrained and it was possible to get a feel of the oppressive atmosphere which was helped by a definite lack of props.
>
> Your poster of the monstrous Henry, whose crimes I feel should never be minimised, is ironic and I can see the humour, however I feel it does a disservice to all of his victims and there were at least 70,000 maybe more. After my visit I felt a sense of unease for some time at the way those in charge have decided to present the history of the Tower as I feel all the suffering that people endured there is glossed over and the presentation concentrated on the ghoulish and sensationalist aspect which I felt uncomfortable with.
>
Re: Presenting the History of The Tower of London
2012-08-12 17:35:24
...and not forgetting Gruffydd ap Llywelyn Fawr's attempted bungee-jump in 1244 of course!!! ;)
--- In , "ellrosa1452" <kathryn198@...> wrote:
>
> I forgot to put put my name at the bottom.
> Elaine
>
> --- In , "ellrosa1452" <kathryn198@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Lisa and others interested in the Tower of London and in response to your advert. Last summer I visited the Tower with the intention of researching specific interests, namely the Bloody Tower and its associations with The Princes in the Tower and Sir Walter Raleigh, The Lower Bowyer Tower, - Clarence, the Martin Tower for The Wizard Earl - Northumberland and Tower Green, Scaffold site and the Chapel. I did not have time to visit the White Tower so shall visit that this summer hopefully. I have always felt uneasy regarding the Tower because of its associations with cruelty, oppression and the rule of tyrants but feltcompelled to overcome these in the interests of research. I did not join the organised guides of Beefeaters who are primarily aimed at children but occasionally listened in to one of the guides. I teach history and the periods they were covering were familiar to me.
> >
> > I understand their need to make it interesting and to grab their audience even if it extends to reinterpreting events and to sensationalise aspects. There were displays in the Bloody Tower above Raleigh's rooms about murders that had taken place in the Tower such as Sir Thomas Overbury's poisoning in gruesome detail and the Princes' murder with audience participation requested as to whom was the likelier murderer, with a list of suspects given. No clues for guessing who were the suspects, but there were only two and the information given was biased in favour of one.
> >
> > The Lower Bowyer Tower where Clarence was held was more restrained and it was possible to get a feel of the oppressive atmosphere which was helped by a definite lack of props.
> >
> > Your poster of the monstrous Henry, whose crimes I feel should never be minimised, is ironic and I can see the humour, however I feel it does a disservice to all of his victims and there were at least 70,000 maybe more. After my visit I felt a sense of unease for some time at the way those in charge have decided to present the history of the Tower as I feel all the suffering that people endured there is glossed over and the presentation concentrated on the ghoulish and sensationalist aspect which I felt uncomfortable with.
> >
>
--- In , "ellrosa1452" <kathryn198@...> wrote:
>
> I forgot to put put my name at the bottom.
> Elaine
>
> --- In , "ellrosa1452" <kathryn198@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Lisa and others interested in the Tower of London and in response to your advert. Last summer I visited the Tower with the intention of researching specific interests, namely the Bloody Tower and its associations with The Princes in the Tower and Sir Walter Raleigh, The Lower Bowyer Tower, - Clarence, the Martin Tower for The Wizard Earl - Northumberland and Tower Green, Scaffold site and the Chapel. I did not have time to visit the White Tower so shall visit that this summer hopefully. I have always felt uneasy regarding the Tower because of its associations with cruelty, oppression and the rule of tyrants but feltcompelled to overcome these in the interests of research. I did not join the organised guides of Beefeaters who are primarily aimed at children but occasionally listened in to one of the guides. I teach history and the periods they were covering were familiar to me.
> >
> > I understand their need to make it interesting and to grab their audience even if it extends to reinterpreting events and to sensationalise aspects. There were displays in the Bloody Tower above Raleigh's rooms about murders that had taken place in the Tower such as Sir Thomas Overbury's poisoning in gruesome detail and the Princes' murder with audience participation requested as to whom was the likelier murderer, with a list of suspects given. No clues for guessing who were the suspects, but there were only two and the information given was biased in favour of one.
> >
> > The Lower Bowyer Tower where Clarence was held was more restrained and it was possible to get a feel of the oppressive atmosphere which was helped by a definite lack of props.
> >
> > Your poster of the monstrous Henry, whose crimes I feel should never be minimised, is ironic and I can see the humour, however I feel it does a disservice to all of his victims and there were at least 70,000 maybe more. After my visit I felt a sense of unease for some time at the way those in charge have decided to present the history of the Tower as I feel all the suffering that people endured there is glossed over and the presentation concentrated on the ghoulish and sensationalist aspect which I felt uncomfortable with.
> >
>
Re: Presenting the History of The Tower of London
2012-08-12 18:33:33
Yes Elaine - I agree that behind the irony are many awful tragedies. I'm
not sure which side of 'the pond' you're from but it is typical British
'humour' to make light of these things...(war time humour etc...) I did
laugh are Blancsangliers note though (sorry).
I was at the Tower just before I emigrated to Canada & I too found it a sad
place & had difficulty in imagining the horrors some of the inmates must
have felt. I disregarded the Beefeaters & used the informative & factual
rather than fanciful info on the head sets.
All Beefeaters are ex-army & I met one here in Canada & got into a heated
discussion on 'The Princes' - he was adamant that they had been murdered by
Richard - something they were taught - they have to learn their scripts by
heart - bit like brainwashing! & he was not for budging on the
matter...which is regrettable as it perpetuates the myth. However it does
make a ton of ýýs for tourism... I think its the only one of the Historic
Royal Palaces that actually makes a profit.
On 12 August 2012 13:35, blancsanglier1452 <blancsanglier1452@...>wrote:
> **
>
>
> ...and not forgetting Gruffydd ap Llywelyn Fawr's attempted bungee-jump in
> 1244 of course!!! ;)
>
> --- In , "ellrosa1452" <kathryn198@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > I forgot to put put my name at the bottom.
> > Elaine
> >
> > --- In , "ellrosa1452"
> <kathryn198@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Lisa and others interested in the Tower of London and in response
> to your advert. Last summer I visited the Tower with the intention of
> researching specific interests, namely the Bloody Tower and its
> associations with The Princes in the Tower and Sir Walter Raleigh, The
> Lower Bowyer Tower, - Clarence, the Martin Tower for The Wizard Earl -
> Northumberland and Tower Green, Scaffold site and the Chapel. I did not
> have time to visit the White Tower so shall visit that this summer
> hopefully. I have always felt uneasy regarding the Tower because of its
> associations with cruelty, oppression and the rule of tyrants but
> feltcompelled to overcome these in the interests of research. I did not
> join the organised guides of Beefeaters who are primarily aimed at children
> but occasionally listened in to one of the guides. I teach history and the
> periods they were covering were familiar to me.
> > >
> > > I understand their need to make it interesting and to grab their
> audience even if it extends to reinterpreting events and to sensationalise
> aspects. There were displays in the Bloody Tower above Raleigh's rooms
> about murders that had taken place in the Tower such as Sir Thomas
> Overbury's poisoning in gruesome detail and the Princes' murder with
> audience participation requested as to whom was the likelier murderer, with
> a list of suspects given. No clues for guessing who were the suspects, but
> there were only two and the information given was biased in favour of one.
> > >
> > > The Lower Bowyer Tower where Clarence was held was more restrained and
> it was possible to get a feel of the oppressive atmosphere which was helped
> by a definite lack of props.
> > >
> > > Your poster of the monstrous Henry, whose crimes I feel should never
> be minimised, is ironic and I can see the humour, however I feel it does a
> disservice to all of his victims and there were at least 70,000 maybe more.
> After my visit I felt a sense of unease for some time at the way those in
> charge have decided to present the history of the Tower as I feel all the
> suffering that people endured there is glossed over and the presentation
> concentrated on the ghoulish and sensationalist aspect which I felt
> uncomfortable with.
> > >
> >
>
>
>
--
Lisa
The Antiques Boutique & Ceramic Restoration/Conservation Services
Baddeck, Nova Scotia.
Tel: 902 295 9013 / 1329
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not sure which side of 'the pond' you're from but it is typical British
'humour' to make light of these things...(war time humour etc...) I did
laugh are Blancsangliers note though (sorry).
I was at the Tower just before I emigrated to Canada & I too found it a sad
place & had difficulty in imagining the horrors some of the inmates must
have felt. I disregarded the Beefeaters & used the informative & factual
rather than fanciful info on the head sets.
All Beefeaters are ex-army & I met one here in Canada & got into a heated
discussion on 'The Princes' - he was adamant that they had been murdered by
Richard - something they were taught - they have to learn their scripts by
heart - bit like brainwashing! & he was not for budging on the
matter...which is regrettable as it perpetuates the myth. However it does
make a ton of ýýs for tourism... I think its the only one of the Historic
Royal Palaces that actually makes a profit.
On 12 August 2012 13:35, blancsanglier1452 <blancsanglier1452@...>wrote:
> **
>
>
> ...and not forgetting Gruffydd ap Llywelyn Fawr's attempted bungee-jump in
> 1244 of course!!! ;)
>
> --- In , "ellrosa1452" <kathryn198@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > I forgot to put put my name at the bottom.
> > Elaine
> >
> > --- In , "ellrosa1452"
> <kathryn198@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Lisa and others interested in the Tower of London and in response
> to your advert. Last summer I visited the Tower with the intention of
> researching specific interests, namely the Bloody Tower and its
> associations with The Princes in the Tower and Sir Walter Raleigh, The
> Lower Bowyer Tower, - Clarence, the Martin Tower for The Wizard Earl -
> Northumberland and Tower Green, Scaffold site and the Chapel. I did not
> have time to visit the White Tower so shall visit that this summer
> hopefully. I have always felt uneasy regarding the Tower because of its
> associations with cruelty, oppression and the rule of tyrants but
> feltcompelled to overcome these in the interests of research. I did not
> join the organised guides of Beefeaters who are primarily aimed at children
> but occasionally listened in to one of the guides. I teach history and the
> periods they were covering were familiar to me.
> > >
> > > I understand their need to make it interesting and to grab their
> audience even if it extends to reinterpreting events and to sensationalise
> aspects. There were displays in the Bloody Tower above Raleigh's rooms
> about murders that had taken place in the Tower such as Sir Thomas
> Overbury's poisoning in gruesome detail and the Princes' murder with
> audience participation requested as to whom was the likelier murderer, with
> a list of suspects given. No clues for guessing who were the suspects, but
> there were only two and the information given was biased in favour of one.
> > >
> > > The Lower Bowyer Tower where Clarence was held was more restrained and
> it was possible to get a feel of the oppressive atmosphere which was helped
> by a definite lack of props.
> > >
> > > Your poster of the monstrous Henry, whose crimes I feel should never
> be minimised, is ironic and I can see the humour, however I feel it does a
> disservice to all of his victims and there were at least 70,000 maybe more.
> After my visit I felt a sense of unease for some time at the way those in
> charge have decided to present the history of the Tower as I feel all the
> suffering that people endured there is glossed over and the presentation
> concentrated on the ghoulish and sensationalist aspect which I felt
> uncomfortable with.
> > >
> >
>
>
>
--
Lisa
The Antiques Boutique & Ceramic Restoration/Conservation Services
Baddeck, Nova Scotia.
Tel: 902 295 9013 / 1329
www.Antiques-Boutique.com <http://www.antiques-boutique.com/>
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Re: Presenting the History of The Tower of London
2012-08-12 18:45:04
Yes....it's too bad of them.....History is interesting enough without having to glam it up....Likewise...look what they have done to Warwick Castle...Madam Tussauds purchased it and made it into a mini theme park. Its completely over the top....
Eileen
--- In , "ellrosa1452" <kathryn198@...> wrote:
>
> I forgot to put put my name at the bottom.
> Elaine
>
> --- In , "ellrosa1452" <kathryn198@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Lisa and others interested in the Tower of London and in response to your advert. Last summer I visited the Tower with the intention of researching specific interests, namely the Bloody Tower and its associations with The Princes in the Tower and Sir Walter Raleigh, The Lower Bowyer Tower, - Clarence, the Martin Tower for The Wizard Earl - Northumberland and Tower Green, Scaffold site and the Chapel. I did not have time to visit the White Tower so shall visit that this summer hopefully. I have always felt uneasy regarding the Tower because of its associations with cruelty, oppression and the rule of tyrants but feltcompelled to overcome these in the interests of research. I did not join the organised guides of Beefeaters who are primarily aimed at children but occasionally listened in to one of the guides. I teach history and the periods they were covering were familiar to me.
> >
> > I understand their need to make it interesting and to grab their audience even if it extends to reinterpreting events and to sensationalise aspects. There were displays in the Bloody Tower above Raleigh's rooms about murders that had taken place in the Tower such as Sir Thomas Overbury's poisoning in gruesome detail and the Princes' murder with audience participation requested as to whom was the likelier murderer, with a list of suspects given. No clues for guessing who were the suspects, but there were only two and the information given was biased in favour of one.
> >
> > The Lower Bowyer Tower where Clarence was held was more restrained and it was possible to get a feel of the oppressive atmosphere which was helped by a definite lack of props.
> >
> > Your poster of the monstrous Henry, whose crimes I feel should never be minimised, is ironic and I can see the humour, however I feel it does a disservice to all of his victims and there were at least 70,000 maybe more. After my visit I felt a sense of unease for some time at the way those in charge have decided to present the history of the Tower as I feel all the suffering that people endured there is glossed over and the presentation concentrated on the ghoulish and sensationalist aspect which I felt uncomfortable with.
> >
>
Eileen
--- In , "ellrosa1452" <kathryn198@...> wrote:
>
> I forgot to put put my name at the bottom.
> Elaine
>
> --- In , "ellrosa1452" <kathryn198@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Lisa and others interested in the Tower of London and in response to your advert. Last summer I visited the Tower with the intention of researching specific interests, namely the Bloody Tower and its associations with The Princes in the Tower and Sir Walter Raleigh, The Lower Bowyer Tower, - Clarence, the Martin Tower for The Wizard Earl - Northumberland and Tower Green, Scaffold site and the Chapel. I did not have time to visit the White Tower so shall visit that this summer hopefully. I have always felt uneasy regarding the Tower because of its associations with cruelty, oppression and the rule of tyrants but feltcompelled to overcome these in the interests of research. I did not join the organised guides of Beefeaters who are primarily aimed at children but occasionally listened in to one of the guides. I teach history and the periods they were covering were familiar to me.
> >
> > I understand their need to make it interesting and to grab their audience even if it extends to reinterpreting events and to sensationalise aspects. There were displays in the Bloody Tower above Raleigh's rooms about murders that had taken place in the Tower such as Sir Thomas Overbury's poisoning in gruesome detail and the Princes' murder with audience participation requested as to whom was the likelier murderer, with a list of suspects given. No clues for guessing who were the suspects, but there were only two and the information given was biased in favour of one.
> >
> > The Lower Bowyer Tower where Clarence was held was more restrained and it was possible to get a feel of the oppressive atmosphere which was helped by a definite lack of props.
> >
> > Your poster of the monstrous Henry, whose crimes I feel should never be minimised, is ironic and I can see the humour, however I feel it does a disservice to all of his victims and there were at least 70,000 maybe more. After my visit I felt a sense of unease for some time at the way those in charge have decided to present the history of the Tower as I feel all the suffering that people endured there is glossed over and the presentation concentrated on the ghoulish and sensationalist aspect which I felt uncomfortable with.
> >
>
Re: Presenting the History of The Tower of London
2012-08-12 18:49:13
I do love Warwick Castle though (not the wax models!) - I found it
interesting that they added 'smells' to the stables area where the
automated horses were being shod!
I visited Hampton Court Palace (loved it) on my own & went down a back
staircase, when the hairs on the back of my neck started to rise as a
little boy's voice from out of nowhere whispered 'Divorced, beheaded, died,
divorced, beheaded, survived' THAT was really creepy!
On 12 August 2012 14:45, EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@...> wrote:
> **
>
>
>
> Yes....it's too bad of them.....History is interesting enough without
> having to glam it up....Likewise...look what they have done to Warwick
> Castle...Madam Tussauds purchased it and made it into a mini theme park.
> Its completely over the top....
> Eileen
>
> --- In , "ellrosa1452" <kathryn198@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > I forgot to put put my name at the bottom.
> > Elaine
> >
> > --- In , "ellrosa1452"
> <kathryn198@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Lisa and others interested in the Tower of London and in response
> to your advert. Last summer I visited the Tower with the intention of
> researching specific interests, namely the Bloody Tower and its
> associations with The Princes in the Tower and Sir Walter Raleigh, The
> Lower Bowyer Tower, - Clarence, the Martin Tower for The Wizard Earl -
> Northumberland and Tower Green, Scaffold site and the Chapel. I did not
> have time to visit the White Tower so shall visit that this summer
> hopefully. I have always felt uneasy regarding the Tower because of its
> associations with cruelty, oppression and the rule of tyrants but
> feltcompelled to overcome these in the interests of research. I did not
> join the organised guides of Beefeaters who are primarily aimed at children
> but occasionally listened in to one of the guides. I teach history and the
> periods they were covering were familiar to me.
> > >
> > > I understand their need to make it interesting and to grab their
> audience even if it extends to reinterpreting events and to sensationalise
> aspects. There were displays in the Bloody Tower above Raleigh's rooms
> about murders that had taken place in the Tower such as Sir Thomas
> Overbury's poisoning in gruesome detail and the Princes' murder with
> audience participation requested as to whom was the likelier murderer, with
> a list of suspects given. No clues for guessing who were the suspects, but
> there were only two and the information given was biased in favour of one.
> > >
> > > The Lower Bowyer Tower where Clarence was held was more restrained and
> it was possible to get a feel of the oppressive atmosphere which was helped
> by a definite lack of props.
> > >
> > > Your poster of the monstrous Henry, whose crimes I feel should never
> be minimised, is ironic and I can see the humour, however I feel it does a
> disservice to all of his victims and there were at least 70,000 maybe more.
> After my visit I felt a sense of unease for some time at the way those in
> charge have decided to present the history of the Tower as I feel all the
> suffering that people endured there is glossed over and the presentation
> concentrated on the ghoulish and sensationalist aspect which I felt
> uncomfortable with.
> > >
> >
>
>
>
--
Lisa
The Antiques Boutique & Ceramic Restoration/Conservation Services
Baddeck, Nova Scotia.
Tel: 902 295 9013 / 1329
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interesting that they added 'smells' to the stables area where the
automated horses were being shod!
I visited Hampton Court Palace (loved it) on my own & went down a back
staircase, when the hairs on the back of my neck started to rise as a
little boy's voice from out of nowhere whispered 'Divorced, beheaded, died,
divorced, beheaded, survived' THAT was really creepy!
On 12 August 2012 14:45, EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@...> wrote:
> **
>
>
>
> Yes....it's too bad of them.....History is interesting enough without
> having to glam it up....Likewise...look what they have done to Warwick
> Castle...Madam Tussauds purchased it and made it into a mini theme park.
> Its completely over the top....
> Eileen
>
> --- In , "ellrosa1452" <kathryn198@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > I forgot to put put my name at the bottom.
> > Elaine
> >
> > --- In , "ellrosa1452"
> <kathryn198@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Lisa and others interested in the Tower of London and in response
> to your advert. Last summer I visited the Tower with the intention of
> researching specific interests, namely the Bloody Tower and its
> associations with The Princes in the Tower and Sir Walter Raleigh, The
> Lower Bowyer Tower, - Clarence, the Martin Tower for The Wizard Earl -
> Northumberland and Tower Green, Scaffold site and the Chapel. I did not
> have time to visit the White Tower so shall visit that this summer
> hopefully. I have always felt uneasy regarding the Tower because of its
> associations with cruelty, oppression and the rule of tyrants but
> feltcompelled to overcome these in the interests of research. I did not
> join the organised guides of Beefeaters who are primarily aimed at children
> but occasionally listened in to one of the guides. I teach history and the
> periods they were covering were familiar to me.
> > >
> > > I understand their need to make it interesting and to grab their
> audience even if it extends to reinterpreting events and to sensationalise
> aspects. There were displays in the Bloody Tower above Raleigh's rooms
> about murders that had taken place in the Tower such as Sir Thomas
> Overbury's poisoning in gruesome detail and the Princes' murder with
> audience participation requested as to whom was the likelier murderer, with
> a list of suspects given. No clues for guessing who were the suspects, but
> there were only two and the information given was biased in favour of one.
> > >
> > > The Lower Bowyer Tower where Clarence was held was more restrained and
> it was possible to get a feel of the oppressive atmosphere which was helped
> by a definite lack of props.
> > >
> > > Your poster of the monstrous Henry, whose crimes I feel should never
> be minimised, is ironic and I can see the humour, however I feel it does a
> disservice to all of his victims and there were at least 70,000 maybe more.
> After my visit I felt a sense of unease for some time at the way those in
> charge have decided to present the history of the Tower as I feel all the
> suffering that people endured there is glossed over and the presentation
> concentrated on the ghoulish and sensationalist aspect which I felt
> uncomfortable with.
> > >
> >
>
>
>
--
Lisa
The Antiques Boutique & Ceramic Restoration/Conservation Services
Baddeck, Nova Scotia.
Tel: 902 295 9013 / 1329
www.Antiques-Boutique.com <http://www.antiques-boutique.com/>
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Re: Presenting the History of The Tower of London
2012-08-12 18:57:36
I apologise for sounding maybe slightly TOO light-hearted about it. I was going to mention Noel Edmonds, but restrained myself ;)
I didn't see the poster you referred to Elaine, it it on Photobucket or stored somewhere off-site? Also, did I misunderstand you or did you say Henry (seventh or eighth?) had 'at least 70,000 maybe more' victims of the Tower...?
Crumbs.
--- In , "EileenB" <cherryripe.eileenb@...> wrote:
>
>
> Yes....it's too bad of them.....History is interesting enough without having to glam it up....Likewise...look what they have done to Warwick Castle...Madam Tussauds purchased it and made it into a mini theme park. Its completely over the top....
> Eileen
>
> --- In , "ellrosa1452" <kathryn198@> wrote:
> >
> > I forgot to put put my name at the bottom.
> > Elaine
> >
> > --- In , "ellrosa1452" <kathryn198@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Lisa and others interested in the Tower of London and in response to your advert. Last summer I visited the Tower with the intention of researching specific interests, namely the Bloody Tower and its associations with The Princes in the Tower and Sir Walter Raleigh, The Lower Bowyer Tower, - Clarence, the Martin Tower for The Wizard Earl - Northumberland and Tower Green, Scaffold site and the Chapel. I did not have time to visit the White Tower so shall visit that this summer hopefully. I have always felt uneasy regarding the Tower because of its associations with cruelty, oppression and the rule of tyrants but feltcompelled to overcome these in the interests of research. I did not join the organised guides of Beefeaters who are primarily aimed at children but occasionally listened in to one of the guides. I teach history and the periods they were covering were familiar to me.
> > >
> > > I understand their need to make it interesting and to grab their audience even if it extends to reinterpreting events and to sensationalise aspects. There were displays in the Bloody Tower above Raleigh's rooms about murders that had taken place in the Tower such as Sir Thomas Overbury's poisoning in gruesome detail and the Princes' murder with audience participation requested as to whom was the likelier murderer, with a list of suspects given. No clues for guessing who were the suspects, but there were only two and the information given was biased in favour of one.
> > >
> > > The Lower Bowyer Tower where Clarence was held was more restrained and it was possible to get a feel of the oppressive atmosphere which was helped by a definite lack of props.
> > >
> > > Your poster of the monstrous Henry, whose crimes I feel should never be minimised, is ironic and I can see the humour, however I feel it does a disservice to all of his victims and there were at least 70,000 maybe more. After my visit I felt a sense of unease for some time at the way those in charge have decided to present the history of the Tower as I feel all the suffering that people endured there is glossed over and the presentation concentrated on the ghoulish and sensationalist aspect which I felt uncomfortable with.
> > >
> >
>
I didn't see the poster you referred to Elaine, it it on Photobucket or stored somewhere off-site? Also, did I misunderstand you or did you say Henry (seventh or eighth?) had 'at least 70,000 maybe more' victims of the Tower...?
Crumbs.
--- In , "EileenB" <cherryripe.eileenb@...> wrote:
>
>
> Yes....it's too bad of them.....History is interesting enough without having to glam it up....Likewise...look what they have done to Warwick Castle...Madam Tussauds purchased it and made it into a mini theme park. Its completely over the top....
> Eileen
>
> --- In , "ellrosa1452" <kathryn198@> wrote:
> >
> > I forgot to put put my name at the bottom.
> > Elaine
> >
> > --- In , "ellrosa1452" <kathryn198@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Lisa and others interested in the Tower of London and in response to your advert. Last summer I visited the Tower with the intention of researching specific interests, namely the Bloody Tower and its associations with The Princes in the Tower and Sir Walter Raleigh, The Lower Bowyer Tower, - Clarence, the Martin Tower for The Wizard Earl - Northumberland and Tower Green, Scaffold site and the Chapel. I did not have time to visit the White Tower so shall visit that this summer hopefully. I have always felt uneasy regarding the Tower because of its associations with cruelty, oppression and the rule of tyrants but feltcompelled to overcome these in the interests of research. I did not join the organised guides of Beefeaters who are primarily aimed at children but occasionally listened in to one of the guides. I teach history and the periods they were covering were familiar to me.
> > >
> > > I understand their need to make it interesting and to grab their audience even if it extends to reinterpreting events and to sensationalise aspects. There were displays in the Bloody Tower above Raleigh's rooms about murders that had taken place in the Tower such as Sir Thomas Overbury's poisoning in gruesome detail and the Princes' murder with audience participation requested as to whom was the likelier murderer, with a list of suspects given. No clues for guessing who were the suspects, but there were only two and the information given was biased in favour of one.
> > >
> > > The Lower Bowyer Tower where Clarence was held was more restrained and it was possible to get a feel of the oppressive atmosphere which was helped by a definite lack of props.
> > >
> > > Your poster of the monstrous Henry, whose crimes I feel should never be minimised, is ironic and I can see the humour, however I feel it does a disservice to all of his victims and there were at least 70,000 maybe more. After my visit I felt a sense of unease for some time at the way those in charge have decided to present the history of the Tower as I feel all the suffering that people endured there is glossed over and the presentation concentrated on the ghoulish and sensationalist aspect which I felt uncomfortable with.
> > >
> >
>
Re: Presenting the History of The Tower of London
2012-08-12 21:16:59
Lisa....I have to confess here....I quite liked the Preparation for Battle ..the Kingmaker...wax models...I thought they were very well done...and looked like they were going to move at any moment...I thought the smells added to it. I found the dungeon absolutely horrendous...those poor souls...in the constant dark...
I did love the oldest parts of the castle where Richard, Anne and her parents would have walked like the gateway and the bridge over the moat...I love to visit places where this has all taken place...my favourites...Tewkesbury Abbey and Minster Lovell....wonderful places with ambience...Do you have a favourite place associated with Richard?
Yes...Hampton Court Palace is lovely.....Havent been there for years....I presume that little boy's voice was recorded and not a ghost.....Yikes....what are they doing...trying to scare the visitors to death lol...Eileen
--- In , "Lisa @ The Antiques Boutique" <lisa.holtjones@...> wrote:
>
> I do love Warwick Castle though (not the wax models!) - I found it
> interesting that they added 'smells' to the stables area where the
> automated horses were being shod!
> I visited Hampton Court Palace (loved it) on my own & went down a back
> staircase, when the hairs on the back of my neck started to rise as a
> little boy's voice from out of nowhere whispered 'Divorced, beheaded, died,
> divorced, beheaded, survived' THAT was really creepy!
>
> On 12 August 2012 14:45, EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@...> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> >
> > Yes....it's too bad of them.....History is interesting enough without
> > having to glam it up....Likewise...look what they have done to Warwick
> > Castle...Madam Tussauds purchased it and made it into a mini theme park.
> > Its completely over the top....
> > Eileen
> >
> > --- In , "ellrosa1452" <kathryn198@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I forgot to put put my name at the bottom.
> > > Elaine
> > >
> > > --- In , "ellrosa1452"
> > <kathryn198@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Lisa and others interested in the Tower of London and in response
> > to your advert. Last summer I visited the Tower with the intention of
> > researching specific interests, namely the Bloody Tower and its
> > associations with The Princes in the Tower and Sir Walter Raleigh, The
> > Lower Bowyer Tower, - Clarence, the Martin Tower for The Wizard Earl -
> > Northumberland and Tower Green, Scaffold site and the Chapel. I did not
> > have time to visit the White Tower so shall visit that this summer
> > hopefully. I have always felt uneasy regarding the Tower because of its
> > associations with cruelty, oppression and the rule of tyrants but
> > feltcompelled to overcome these in the interests of research. I did not
> > join the organised guides of Beefeaters who are primarily aimed at children
> > but occasionally listened in to one of the guides. I teach history and the
> > periods they were covering were familiar to me.
> > > >
> > > > I understand their need to make it interesting and to grab their
> > audience even if it extends to reinterpreting events and to sensationalise
> > aspects. There were displays in the Bloody Tower above Raleigh's rooms
> > about murders that had taken place in the Tower such as Sir Thomas
> > Overbury's poisoning in gruesome detail and the Princes' murder with
> > audience participation requested as to whom was the likelier murderer, with
> > a list of suspects given. No clues for guessing who were the suspects, but
> > there were only two and the information given was biased in favour of one.
> > > >
> > > > The Lower Bowyer Tower where Clarence was held was more restrained and
> > it was possible to get a feel of the oppressive atmosphere which was helped
> > by a definite lack of props.
> > > >
> > > > Your poster of the monstrous Henry, whose crimes I feel should never
> > be minimised, is ironic and I can see the humour, however I feel it does a
> > disservice to all of his victims and there were at least 70,000 maybe more.
> > After my visit I felt a sense of unease for some time at the way those in
> > charge have decided to present the history of the Tower as I feel all the
> > suffering that people endured there is glossed over and the presentation
> > concentrated on the ghoulish and sensationalist aspect which I felt
> > uncomfortable with.
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Lisa
> The Antiques Boutique & Ceramic Restoration/Conservation Services
> Baddeck, Nova Scotia.
> Tel: 902 295 9013 / 1329
>
> www.Antiques-Boutique.com <http://www.antiques-boutique.com/>
> Like us on *www.facebook.com/TheAntiquesBoutique*
> View our Ceramic Restoration Photos
> <https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.398988066799604.100100.108554399176307&type=1&l=cd560aff9f>
>
>
>
>
I did love the oldest parts of the castle where Richard, Anne and her parents would have walked like the gateway and the bridge over the moat...I love to visit places where this has all taken place...my favourites...Tewkesbury Abbey and Minster Lovell....wonderful places with ambience...Do you have a favourite place associated with Richard?
Yes...Hampton Court Palace is lovely.....Havent been there for years....I presume that little boy's voice was recorded and not a ghost.....Yikes....what are they doing...trying to scare the visitors to death lol...Eileen
--- In , "Lisa @ The Antiques Boutique" <lisa.holtjones@...> wrote:
>
> I do love Warwick Castle though (not the wax models!) - I found it
> interesting that they added 'smells' to the stables area where the
> automated horses were being shod!
> I visited Hampton Court Palace (loved it) on my own & went down a back
> staircase, when the hairs on the back of my neck started to rise as a
> little boy's voice from out of nowhere whispered 'Divorced, beheaded, died,
> divorced, beheaded, survived' THAT was really creepy!
>
> On 12 August 2012 14:45, EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@...> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> >
> > Yes....it's too bad of them.....History is interesting enough without
> > having to glam it up....Likewise...look what they have done to Warwick
> > Castle...Madam Tussauds purchased it and made it into a mini theme park.
> > Its completely over the top....
> > Eileen
> >
> > --- In , "ellrosa1452" <kathryn198@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I forgot to put put my name at the bottom.
> > > Elaine
> > >
> > > --- In , "ellrosa1452"
> > <kathryn198@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Lisa and others interested in the Tower of London and in response
> > to your advert. Last summer I visited the Tower with the intention of
> > researching specific interests, namely the Bloody Tower and its
> > associations with The Princes in the Tower and Sir Walter Raleigh, The
> > Lower Bowyer Tower, - Clarence, the Martin Tower for The Wizard Earl -
> > Northumberland and Tower Green, Scaffold site and the Chapel. I did not
> > have time to visit the White Tower so shall visit that this summer
> > hopefully. I have always felt uneasy regarding the Tower because of its
> > associations with cruelty, oppression and the rule of tyrants but
> > feltcompelled to overcome these in the interests of research. I did not
> > join the organised guides of Beefeaters who are primarily aimed at children
> > but occasionally listened in to one of the guides. I teach history and the
> > periods they were covering were familiar to me.
> > > >
> > > > I understand their need to make it interesting and to grab their
> > audience even if it extends to reinterpreting events and to sensationalise
> > aspects. There were displays in the Bloody Tower above Raleigh's rooms
> > about murders that had taken place in the Tower such as Sir Thomas
> > Overbury's poisoning in gruesome detail and the Princes' murder with
> > audience participation requested as to whom was the likelier murderer, with
> > a list of suspects given. No clues for guessing who were the suspects, but
> > there were only two and the information given was biased in favour of one.
> > > >
> > > > The Lower Bowyer Tower where Clarence was held was more restrained and
> > it was possible to get a feel of the oppressive atmosphere which was helped
> > by a definite lack of props.
> > > >
> > > > Your poster of the monstrous Henry, whose crimes I feel should never
> > be minimised, is ironic and I can see the humour, however I feel it does a
> > disservice to all of his victims and there were at least 70,000 maybe more.
> > After my visit I felt a sense of unease for some time at the way those in
> > charge have decided to present the history of the Tower as I feel all the
> > suffering that people endured there is glossed over and the presentation
> > concentrated on the ghoulish and sensationalist aspect which I felt
> > uncomfortable with.
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Lisa
> The Antiques Boutique & Ceramic Restoration/Conservation Services
> Baddeck, Nova Scotia.
> Tel: 902 295 9013 / 1329
>
> www.Antiques-Boutique.com <http://www.antiques-boutique.com/>
> Like us on *www.facebook.com/TheAntiquesBoutique*
> View our Ceramic Restoration Photos
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>
>
>
>
Re: Presenting the History of The Tower of London
2012-08-12 22:26:02
Well the little boy (recording) was scary as I was on my own - it was
quite unexpected!
I'm trying to do my 'bucket list' of Ricardian places (using the little
book from the R3 library - cant recall its name right now.) would love to
tick them all off - sadly only get back home once a year around end Oct...
did Middleham last year - stayed at the r3 hotel - the hotelier was telling
us about the Medieval Soldier ghosts that appeared to a visitor in room 5
one New Years Eve! & oddly that is part of the R3 Hotel Building that was
attached to what was once the castle stables ... food for thought there!
So, so far on the R3 bucket list top 4 sites for me are Bosworth,
Middleham, York & Ludlow... although there is Warwick & Fotheringhay Church
(sadly the mound that was once the castle was disappointing!) So many to
recall... I'm thinking of Windsor Castle for this year... but havent done
my plan as yet! I go home to the Chester area so thats the base we trek out
from & most R3 sites are quite a way away!
I'll report back!
TTFN
Lisa
On 12 August 2012 17:16, EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@...> wrote:
> **
>
>
> Lisa....I have to confess here....I quite liked the Preparation for Battle
> ..the Kingmaker...wax models...I thought they were very well done...and
> looked like they were going to move at any moment...I thought the smells
> added to it. I found the dungeon absolutely horrendous...those poor
> souls...in the constant dark...
> I did love the oldest parts of the castle where Richard, Anne and her
> parents would have walked like the gateway and the bridge over the moat...I
> love to visit places where this has all taken place...my
> favourites...Tewkesbury Abbey and Minster Lovell....wonderful places with
> ambience...Do you have a favourite place associated with Richard?
>
> Yes...Hampton Court Palace is lovely.....Havent been there for years....I
> presume that little boy's voice was recorded and not a
> ghost.....Yikes....what are they doing...trying to scare the visitors to
> death lol...Eileen
>
> --- In , "Lisa @ The Antiques
> Boutique" <lisa.holtjones@...> wrote:
> >
> > I do love Warwick Castle though (not the wax models!) - I found it
> > interesting that they added 'smells' to the stables area where the
> > automated horses were being shod!
> > I visited Hampton Court Palace (loved it) on my own & went down a back
> > staircase, when the hairs on the back of my neck started to rise as a
> > little boy's voice from out of nowhere whispered 'Divorced, beheaded,
> died,
> > divorced, beheaded, survived' THAT was really creepy!
> >
> > On 12 August 2012 14:45, EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@...> wrote:
> >
> > > **
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yes....it's too bad of them.....History is interesting enough without
> > > having to glam it up....Likewise...look what they have done to Warwick
> > > Castle...Madam Tussauds purchased it and made it into a mini theme
> park.
> > > Its completely over the top....
> > > Eileen
> > >
> > > --- In , "ellrosa1452"
> <kathryn198@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I forgot to put put my name at the bottom.
> > > > Elaine
> > > >
> > > > --- In , "ellrosa1452"
> > > <kathryn198@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Lisa and others interested in the Tower of London and in
> response
> > > to your advert. Last summer I visited the Tower with the intention of
> > > researching specific interests, namely the Bloody Tower and its
> > > associations with The Princes in the Tower and Sir Walter Raleigh, The
> > > Lower Bowyer Tower, - Clarence, the Martin Tower for The Wizard Earl -
> > > Northumberland and Tower Green, Scaffold site and the Chapel. I did not
> > > have time to visit the White Tower so shall visit that this summer
> > > hopefully. I have always felt uneasy regarding the Tower because of its
> > > associations with cruelty, oppression and the rule of tyrants but
> > > feltcompelled to overcome these in the interests of research. I did not
> > > join the organised guides of Beefeaters who are primarily aimed at
> children
> > > but occasionally listened in to one of the guides. I teach history and
> the
> > > periods they were covering were familiar to me.
> > > > >
> > > > > I understand their need to make it interesting and to grab their
> > > audience even if it extends to reinterpreting events and to
> sensationalise
> > > aspects. There were displays in the Bloody Tower above Raleigh's rooms
> > > about murders that had taken place in the Tower such as Sir Thomas
> > > Overbury's poisoning in gruesome detail and the Princes' murder with
> > > audience participation requested as to whom was the likelier murderer,
> with
> > > a list of suspects given. No clues for guessing who were the suspects,
> but
> > > there were only two and the information given was biased in favour of
> one.
> > > > >
> > > > > The Lower Bowyer Tower where Clarence was held was more restrained
> and
> > > it was possible to get a feel of the oppressive atmosphere which was
> helped
> > > by a definite lack of props.
> > > > >
> > > > > Your poster of the monstrous Henry, whose crimes I feel should
> never
> > > be minimised, is ironic and I can see the humour, however I feel it
> does a
> > > disservice to all of his victims and there were at least 70,000 maybe
> more.
> > > After my visit I felt a sense of unease for some time at the way those
> in
> > > charge have decided to present the history of the Tower as I feel all
> the
> > > suffering that people endured there is glossed over and the
> presentation
> > > concentrated on the ghoulish and sensationalist aspect which I felt
> > > uncomfortable with.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Lisa
> > The Antiques Boutique & Ceramic Restoration/Conservation Services
> > Baddeck, Nova Scotia.
> > Tel: 902 295 9013 / 1329
> >
> > www.Antiques-Boutique.com <http://www.antiques-boutique.com/>
> > Like us on *www.facebook.com/TheAntiquesBoutique*
> > View our Ceramic Restoration Photos
> > <
> https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.398988066799604.100100.108554399176307&type=1&l=cd560aff9f
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
--
Lisa
The Antiques Boutique & Ceramic Restoration/Conservation Services
Baddeck, Nova Scotia.
Tel: 902 295 9013 / 1329
www.Antiques-Boutique.com <http://www.antiques-boutique.com/>
Like us on *www.facebook.com/TheAntiquesBoutique*
View our Ceramic Restoration Photos
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quite unexpected!
I'm trying to do my 'bucket list' of Ricardian places (using the little
book from the R3 library - cant recall its name right now.) would love to
tick them all off - sadly only get back home once a year around end Oct...
did Middleham last year - stayed at the r3 hotel - the hotelier was telling
us about the Medieval Soldier ghosts that appeared to a visitor in room 5
one New Years Eve! & oddly that is part of the R3 Hotel Building that was
attached to what was once the castle stables ... food for thought there!
So, so far on the R3 bucket list top 4 sites for me are Bosworth,
Middleham, York & Ludlow... although there is Warwick & Fotheringhay Church
(sadly the mound that was once the castle was disappointing!) So many to
recall... I'm thinking of Windsor Castle for this year... but havent done
my plan as yet! I go home to the Chester area so thats the base we trek out
from & most R3 sites are quite a way away!
I'll report back!
TTFN
Lisa
On 12 August 2012 17:16, EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@...> wrote:
> **
>
>
> Lisa....I have to confess here....I quite liked the Preparation for Battle
> ..the Kingmaker...wax models...I thought they were very well done...and
> looked like they were going to move at any moment...I thought the smells
> added to it. I found the dungeon absolutely horrendous...those poor
> souls...in the constant dark...
> I did love the oldest parts of the castle where Richard, Anne and her
> parents would have walked like the gateway and the bridge over the moat...I
> love to visit places where this has all taken place...my
> favourites...Tewkesbury Abbey and Minster Lovell....wonderful places with
> ambience...Do you have a favourite place associated with Richard?
>
> Yes...Hampton Court Palace is lovely.....Havent been there for years....I
> presume that little boy's voice was recorded and not a
> ghost.....Yikes....what are they doing...trying to scare the visitors to
> death lol...Eileen
>
> --- In , "Lisa @ The Antiques
> Boutique" <lisa.holtjones@...> wrote:
> >
> > I do love Warwick Castle though (not the wax models!) - I found it
> > interesting that they added 'smells' to the stables area where the
> > automated horses were being shod!
> > I visited Hampton Court Palace (loved it) on my own & went down a back
> > staircase, when the hairs on the back of my neck started to rise as a
> > little boy's voice from out of nowhere whispered 'Divorced, beheaded,
> died,
> > divorced, beheaded, survived' THAT was really creepy!
> >
> > On 12 August 2012 14:45, EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@...> wrote:
> >
> > > **
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yes....it's too bad of them.....History is interesting enough without
> > > having to glam it up....Likewise...look what they have done to Warwick
> > > Castle...Madam Tussauds purchased it and made it into a mini theme
> park.
> > > Its completely over the top....
> > > Eileen
> > >
> > > --- In , "ellrosa1452"
> <kathryn198@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I forgot to put put my name at the bottom.
> > > > Elaine
> > > >
> > > > --- In , "ellrosa1452"
> > > <kathryn198@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Lisa and others interested in the Tower of London and in
> response
> > > to your advert. Last summer I visited the Tower with the intention of
> > > researching specific interests, namely the Bloody Tower and its
> > > associations with The Princes in the Tower and Sir Walter Raleigh, The
> > > Lower Bowyer Tower, - Clarence, the Martin Tower for The Wizard Earl -
> > > Northumberland and Tower Green, Scaffold site and the Chapel. I did not
> > > have time to visit the White Tower so shall visit that this summer
> > > hopefully. I have always felt uneasy regarding the Tower because of its
> > > associations with cruelty, oppression and the rule of tyrants but
> > > feltcompelled to overcome these in the interests of research. I did not
> > > join the organised guides of Beefeaters who are primarily aimed at
> children
> > > but occasionally listened in to one of the guides. I teach history and
> the
> > > periods they were covering were familiar to me.
> > > > >
> > > > > I understand their need to make it interesting and to grab their
> > > audience even if it extends to reinterpreting events and to
> sensationalise
> > > aspects. There were displays in the Bloody Tower above Raleigh's rooms
> > > about murders that had taken place in the Tower such as Sir Thomas
> > > Overbury's poisoning in gruesome detail and the Princes' murder with
> > > audience participation requested as to whom was the likelier murderer,
> with
> > > a list of suspects given. No clues for guessing who were the suspects,
> but
> > > there were only two and the information given was biased in favour of
> one.
> > > > >
> > > > > The Lower Bowyer Tower where Clarence was held was more restrained
> and
> > > it was possible to get a feel of the oppressive atmosphere which was
> helped
> > > by a definite lack of props.
> > > > >
> > > > > Your poster of the monstrous Henry, whose crimes I feel should
> never
> > > be minimised, is ironic and I can see the humour, however I feel it
> does a
> > > disservice to all of his victims and there were at least 70,000 maybe
> more.
> > > After my visit I felt a sense of unease for some time at the way those
> in
> > > charge have decided to present the history of the Tower as I feel all
> the
> > > suffering that people endured there is glossed over and the
> presentation
> > > concentrated on the ghoulish and sensationalist aspect which I felt
> > > uncomfortable with.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Lisa
> > The Antiques Boutique & Ceramic Restoration/Conservation Services
> > Baddeck, Nova Scotia.
> > Tel: 902 295 9013 / 1329
> >
> > www.Antiques-Boutique.com <http://www.antiques-boutique.com/>
> > Like us on *www.facebook.com/TheAntiquesBoutique*
> > View our Ceramic Restoration Photos
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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Re: Presenting the History of The Tower of London
2012-08-13 01:32:44
That breaks my heart, Eileen. What brings me some comfort though, is
imagining the Countess of Warwick's face as she boots them all to oblivion!
Karen
From: EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@...>
Reply-To: <>
Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 17:45:02 -0000
To: <>
Subject: Re: Presenting the History of The
Tower of London
Yes....it's too bad of them.....History is interesting enough without
having to glam it up....Likewise...look what they have done to Warwick
Castle...Madam Tussauds purchased it and made it into a mini theme park.
Its completely over the top....
Eileen
imagining the Countess of Warwick's face as she boots them all to oblivion!
Karen
From: EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@...>
Reply-To: <>
Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 17:45:02 -0000
To: <>
Subject: Re: Presenting the History of The
Tower of London
Yes....it's too bad of them.....History is interesting enough without
having to glam it up....Likewise...look what they have done to Warwick
Castle...Madam Tussauds purchased it and made it into a mini theme park.
Its completely over the top....
Eileen
Re: Presenting the History of The Tower of London
2012-08-13 01:35:19
Maybe if they shod real horses, they wouldn't have to add smells? (Sorry,
Tussauds/Warwick Castle - makes me rather cross!)
Karen
On 13/08/12 3:49 AM, "Lisa @ The Antiques Boutique"
<lisa.holtjones@...> wrote:
>I do love Warwick Castle though (not the wax models!) - I found it
>interesting that they added 'smells' to the stables area where the
>automated horses were being shod!
>I visited Hampton Court Palace (loved it) on my own & went down a back
>staircase, when the hairs on the back of my neck started to rise as a
>little boy's voice from out of nowhere whispered 'Divorced, beheaded,
>died,
>divorced, beheaded, survived' THAT was really creepy!
>
Tussauds/Warwick Castle - makes me rather cross!)
Karen
On 13/08/12 3:49 AM, "Lisa @ The Antiques Boutique"
<lisa.holtjones@...> wrote:
>I do love Warwick Castle though (not the wax models!) - I found it
>interesting that they added 'smells' to the stables area where the
>automated horses were being shod!
>I visited Hampton Court Palace (loved it) on my own & went down a back
>staircase, when the hairs on the back of my neck started to rise as a
>little boy's voice from out of nowhere whispered 'Divorced, beheaded,
>died,
>divorced, beheaded, survived' THAT was really creepy!
>
Re: Presenting the History of The Tower of London
2012-08-13 13:14:36
I think you should refer to the "supposed" murder or "disappearance" of the Princes [I prefer sons of Edward IV] rather than murder.
I was appalled to see what they have done in the Bloody Tower running the Olivier film scene between his Richard and Tyrell on an endless loop, and no place for alternative scenarios of what happened to the boys/young men.
I wrote to the Tower authorities complaining about their non impartiality and was rebuffed. No surprise there. But at least the Beefeater tours no longer state it as a fact that the boys were smothered by their wicked uncle Richard as they used to do.
On one side of the White Tower there is also a sound tape of young children complaining about their uncle with a picture of the Princes in the Tower, courtesy of Delaroche, by a staircase the blurb states is the one the boys were buried under and their bones found underneath.
Paul
On 12 Aug 2012, at 17:19, ellrosa1452 wrote:
> Hi Lisa and others interested in the Tower of London and in response to your advert. Last summer I visited the Tower with the intention of researching specific interests, namely the Bloody Tower and its associations with The Princes in the Tower and Sir Walter Raleigh, The Lower Bowyer Tower, - Clarence, the Martin Tower for The Wizard Earl - Northumberland and Tower Green, Scaffold site and the Chapel. I did not have time to visit the White Tower so shall visit that this summer hopefully. I have always felt uneasy regarding the Tower because of its associations with cruelty, oppression and the rule of tyrants but feltcompelled to overcome these in the interests of research. I did not join the organised guides of Beefeaters who are primarily aimed at children but occasionally listened in to one of the guides. I teach history and the periods they were covering were familiar to me.
>
> I understand their need to make it interesting and to grab their audience even if it extends to reinterpreting events and to sensationalise aspects. There were displays in the Bloody Tower above Raleigh's rooms about murders that had taken place in the Tower such as Sir Thomas Overbury's poisoning in gruesome detail and the Princes' murder with audience participation requested as to whom was the likelier murderer, with a list of suspects given. No clues for guessing who were the suspects, but there were only two and the information given was biased in favour of one.
>
> The Lower Bowyer Tower where Clarence was held was more restrained and it was possible to get a feel of the oppressive atmosphere which was helped by a definite lack of props.
>
> Your poster of the monstrous Henry, whose crimes I feel should never be minimised, is ironic and I can see the humour, however I feel it does a disservice to all of his victims and there were at least 70,000 maybe more. After my visit I felt a sense of unease for some time at the way those in charge have decided to present the history of the Tower as I feel all the suffering that people endured there is glossed over and the presentation concentrated on the ghoulish and sensationalist aspect which I felt uncomfortable with.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
Richard Liveth Yet!
I was appalled to see what they have done in the Bloody Tower running the Olivier film scene between his Richard and Tyrell on an endless loop, and no place for alternative scenarios of what happened to the boys/young men.
I wrote to the Tower authorities complaining about their non impartiality and was rebuffed. No surprise there. But at least the Beefeater tours no longer state it as a fact that the boys were smothered by their wicked uncle Richard as they used to do.
On one side of the White Tower there is also a sound tape of young children complaining about their uncle with a picture of the Princes in the Tower, courtesy of Delaroche, by a staircase the blurb states is the one the boys were buried under and their bones found underneath.
Paul
On 12 Aug 2012, at 17:19, ellrosa1452 wrote:
> Hi Lisa and others interested in the Tower of London and in response to your advert. Last summer I visited the Tower with the intention of researching specific interests, namely the Bloody Tower and its associations with The Princes in the Tower and Sir Walter Raleigh, The Lower Bowyer Tower, - Clarence, the Martin Tower for The Wizard Earl - Northumberland and Tower Green, Scaffold site and the Chapel. I did not have time to visit the White Tower so shall visit that this summer hopefully. I have always felt uneasy regarding the Tower because of its associations with cruelty, oppression and the rule of tyrants but feltcompelled to overcome these in the interests of research. I did not join the organised guides of Beefeaters who are primarily aimed at children but occasionally listened in to one of the guides. I teach history and the periods they were covering were familiar to me.
>
> I understand their need to make it interesting and to grab their audience even if it extends to reinterpreting events and to sensationalise aspects. There were displays in the Bloody Tower above Raleigh's rooms about murders that had taken place in the Tower such as Sir Thomas Overbury's poisoning in gruesome detail and the Princes' murder with audience participation requested as to whom was the likelier murderer, with a list of suspects given. No clues for guessing who were the suspects, but there were only two and the information given was biased in favour of one.
>
> The Lower Bowyer Tower where Clarence was held was more restrained and it was possible to get a feel of the oppressive atmosphere which was helped by a definite lack of props.
>
> Your poster of the monstrous Henry, whose crimes I feel should never be minimised, is ironic and I can see the humour, however I feel it does a disservice to all of his victims and there were at least 70,000 maybe more. After my visit I felt a sense of unease for some time at the way those in charge have decided to present the history of the Tower as I feel all the suffering that people endured there is glossed over and the presentation concentrated on the ghoulish and sensationalist aspect which I felt uncomfortable with.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
Richard Liveth Yet!
Re: Presenting the History of The Tower of London
2012-08-13 13:30:06
On Aug 12, 2012, at 5:26 PM, Lisa @ The Antiques Boutique wrote:
> Well the little boy (recording) was scary as I was on my own - it was
> quite unexpected!
> I'm trying to do my 'bucket list' of Ricardian places (using the
> little
> book from the R3 library - cant recall its name right now.) would
> love to
> tick them all off - sadly only get back home once a year around end
> Oct...
> did Middleham last year - stayed at the r3 hotel - the hotelier was
> telling
> us about the Medieval Soldier ghosts that appeared to a visitor in
> room 5
> one New Years Eve! & oddly that is part of the R3 Hotel Building
> that was
> attached to what was once the castle stables ... food for thought
> there!
**I'm glad I didn't know about the ghosts when I stayed there! It's a
lovely hotel and the food is superb. I have to admit, though, I prefer
the Priory.
>
> So, so far on the R3 bucket list top 4 sites for me are Bosworth,
> Middleham, York & Ludlow... although there is Warwick & Fotheringhay
> Church
> (sadly the mound that was once the castle was disappointing!) So
> many to
> recall... I'm thinking of Windsor Castle for this year... but havent
> done
> my plan as yet! I go home to the Chester area so thats the base we
> trek out
> from & most R3 sites are quite a way away!
>
> I'll report back!
> TTFN
> Lisa
>
**Yes, it's really sad that the mound is all that's left. But the
church is well worth the trip.
Gilda
> Well the little boy (recording) was scary as I was on my own - it was
> quite unexpected!
> I'm trying to do my 'bucket list' of Ricardian places (using the
> little
> book from the R3 library - cant recall its name right now.) would
> love to
> tick them all off - sadly only get back home once a year around end
> Oct...
> did Middleham last year - stayed at the r3 hotel - the hotelier was
> telling
> us about the Medieval Soldier ghosts that appeared to a visitor in
> room 5
> one New Years Eve! & oddly that is part of the R3 Hotel Building
> that was
> attached to what was once the castle stables ... food for thought
> there!
**I'm glad I didn't know about the ghosts when I stayed there! It's a
lovely hotel and the food is superb. I have to admit, though, I prefer
the Priory.
>
> So, so far on the R3 bucket list top 4 sites for me are Bosworth,
> Middleham, York & Ludlow... although there is Warwick & Fotheringhay
> Church
> (sadly the mound that was once the castle was disappointing!) So
> many to
> recall... I'm thinking of Windsor Castle for this year... but havent
> done
> my plan as yet! I go home to the Chester area so thats the base we
> trek out
> from & most R3 sites are quite a way away!
>
> I'll report back!
> TTFN
> Lisa
>
**Yes, it's really sad that the mound is all that's left. But the
church is well worth the trip.
Gilda
Re: Presenting the History of The Tower of London
2012-08-13 14:17:20
Hi Lisa.....I can tell you Ludlow Castle is wonderful.....ruins of course but wonderful ruins..you can still climb the stairs to where the rooms are that were occupied by Prince Arthur so I presume that Prince Edward would have probably had the same rooms.
Try to go when the college in Ludlow is closed. There were a group of students visiting the castle and misbehaving while we were there...shouting etc., and one of them lobbed a large stone at a pigeon and killed it. Which kind of ruined my day there. Casting that aside though it is so easy to picture Edward and his group riding out from the castle that last occasion.
Restaurant there serves good lunches too.....:0)
Middleham is wonderful too...am trying to visit again soon..Its a bit far for us..will mean bed & breakfast ....maybe September...?
Did visit the castle of Farleigh Hungerford in Somerset a couple of months ago....and while we were there absolutely thrilled to find out that Margaret Countess of Salisbury has been born there..Clarence and Isobel Neville had walked this very spot!.....very moving...
I did go to Windsor many years ago on the exact day that they had closed St George's Chapel....duh....! So many places....maybe we should invest in campavans :0)
Eileen
--- In , "Lisa @ The Antiques Boutique" <lisa.holtjones@...> wrote:
>
> Well the little boy (recording) was scary as I was on my own - it was
> quite unexpected!
> I'm trying to do my 'bucket list' of Ricardian places (using the little
> book from the R3 library - cant recall its name right now.) would love to
> tick them all off - sadly only get back home once a year around end Oct...
> did Middleham last year - stayed at the r3 hotel - the hotelier was telling
> us about the Medieval Soldier ghosts that appeared to a visitor in room 5
> one New Years Eve! & oddly that is part of the R3 Hotel Building that was
> attached to what was once the castle stables ... food for thought there!
>
> So, so far on the R3 bucket list top 4 sites for me are Bosworth,
> Middleham, York & Ludlow... although there is Warwick & Fotheringhay Church
> (sadly the mound that was once the castle was disappointing!) So many to
> recall... I'm thinking of Windsor Castle for this year... but havent done
> my plan as yet! I go home to the Chester area so thats the base we trek out
> from & most R3 sites are quite a way away!
>
> I'll report back!
> TTFN
> Lisa
>
>
>
> On 12 August 2012 17:16, EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@...> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > Lisa....I have to confess here....I quite liked the Preparation for Battle
> > ..the Kingmaker...wax models...I thought they were very well done...and
> > looked like they were going to move at any moment...I thought the smells
> > added to it. I found the dungeon absolutely horrendous...those poor
> > souls...in the constant dark...
> > I did love the oldest parts of the castle where Richard, Anne and her
> > parents would have walked like the gateway and the bridge over the moat...I
> > love to visit places where this has all taken place...my
> > favourites...Tewkesbury Abbey and Minster Lovell....wonderful places with
> > ambience...Do you have a favourite place associated with Richard?
> >
> > Yes...Hampton Court Palace is lovely.....Havent been there for years....I
> > presume that little boy's voice was recorded and not a
> > ghost.....Yikes....what are they doing...trying to scare the visitors to
> > death lol...Eileen
> >
> > --- In , "Lisa @ The Antiques
> > Boutique" <lisa.holtjones@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I do love Warwick Castle though (not the wax models!) - I found it
> > > interesting that they added 'smells' to the stables area where the
> > > automated horses were being shod!
> > > I visited Hampton Court Palace (loved it) on my own & went down a back
> > > staircase, when the hairs on the back of my neck started to rise as a
> > > little boy's voice from out of nowhere whispered 'Divorced, beheaded,
> > died,
> > > divorced, beheaded, survived' THAT was really creepy!
> > >
> > > On 12 August 2012 14:45, EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > **
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yes....it's too bad of them.....History is interesting enough without
> > > > having to glam it up....Likewise...look what they have done to Warwick
> > > > Castle...Madam Tussauds purchased it and made it into a mini theme
> > park.
> > > > Its completely over the top....
> > > > Eileen
> > > >
> > > > --- In , "ellrosa1452"
> > <kathryn198@>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I forgot to put put my name at the bottom.
> > > > > Elaine
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In , "ellrosa1452"
> > > > <kathryn198@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Lisa and others interested in the Tower of London and in
> > response
> > > > to your advert. Last summer I visited the Tower with the intention of
> > > > researching specific interests, namely the Bloody Tower and its
> > > > associations with The Princes in the Tower and Sir Walter Raleigh, The
> > > > Lower Bowyer Tower, - Clarence, the Martin Tower for The Wizard Earl -
> > > > Northumberland and Tower Green, Scaffold site and the Chapel. I did not
> > > > have time to visit the White Tower so shall visit that this summer
> > > > hopefully. I have always felt uneasy regarding the Tower because of its
> > > > associations with cruelty, oppression and the rule of tyrants but
> > > > feltcompelled to overcome these in the interests of research. I did not
> > > > join the organised guides of Beefeaters who are primarily aimed at
> > children
> > > > but occasionally listened in to one of the guides. I teach history and
> > the
> > > > periods they were covering were familiar to me.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I understand their need to make it interesting and to grab their
> > > > audience even if it extends to reinterpreting events and to
> > sensationalise
> > > > aspects. There were displays in the Bloody Tower above Raleigh's rooms
> > > > about murders that had taken place in the Tower such as Sir Thomas
> > > > Overbury's poisoning in gruesome detail and the Princes' murder with
> > > > audience participation requested as to whom was the likelier murderer,
> > with
> > > > a list of suspects given. No clues for guessing who were the suspects,
> > but
> > > > there were only two and the information given was biased in favour of
> > one.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The Lower Bowyer Tower where Clarence was held was more restrained
> > and
> > > > it was possible to get a feel of the oppressive atmosphere which was
> > helped
> > > > by a definite lack of props.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Your poster of the monstrous Henry, whose crimes I feel should
> > never
> > > > be minimised, is ironic and I can see the humour, however I feel it
> > does a
> > > > disservice to all of his victims and there were at least 70,000 maybe
> > more.
> > > > After my visit I felt a sense of unease for some time at the way those
> > in
> > > > charge have decided to present the history of the Tower as I feel all
> > the
> > > > suffering that people endured there is glossed over and the
> > presentation
> > > > concentrated on the ghoulish and sensationalist aspect which I felt
> > > > uncomfortable with.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Lisa
> > > The Antiques Boutique & Ceramic Restoration/Conservation Services
> > > Baddeck, Nova Scotia.
> > > Tel: 902 295 9013 / 1329
> > >
> > > www.Antiques-Boutique.com <http://www.antiques-boutique.com/>
> > > Like us on *www.facebook.com/TheAntiquesBoutique*
> > > View our Ceramic Restoration Photos
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Lisa
> The Antiques Boutique & Ceramic Restoration/Conservation Services
> Baddeck, Nova Scotia.
> Tel: 902 295 9013 / 1329
>
> www.Antiques-Boutique.com <http://www.antiques-boutique.com/>
> Like us on *www.facebook.com/TheAntiquesBoutique*
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>
Try to go when the college in Ludlow is closed. There were a group of students visiting the castle and misbehaving while we were there...shouting etc., and one of them lobbed a large stone at a pigeon and killed it. Which kind of ruined my day there. Casting that aside though it is so easy to picture Edward and his group riding out from the castle that last occasion.
Restaurant there serves good lunches too.....:0)
Middleham is wonderful too...am trying to visit again soon..Its a bit far for us..will mean bed & breakfast ....maybe September...?
Did visit the castle of Farleigh Hungerford in Somerset a couple of months ago....and while we were there absolutely thrilled to find out that Margaret Countess of Salisbury has been born there..Clarence and Isobel Neville had walked this very spot!.....very moving...
I did go to Windsor many years ago on the exact day that they had closed St George's Chapel....duh....! So many places....maybe we should invest in campavans :0)
Eileen
--- In , "Lisa @ The Antiques Boutique" <lisa.holtjones@...> wrote:
>
> Well the little boy (recording) was scary as I was on my own - it was
> quite unexpected!
> I'm trying to do my 'bucket list' of Ricardian places (using the little
> book from the R3 library - cant recall its name right now.) would love to
> tick them all off - sadly only get back home once a year around end Oct...
> did Middleham last year - stayed at the r3 hotel - the hotelier was telling
> us about the Medieval Soldier ghosts that appeared to a visitor in room 5
> one New Years Eve! & oddly that is part of the R3 Hotel Building that was
> attached to what was once the castle stables ... food for thought there!
>
> So, so far on the R3 bucket list top 4 sites for me are Bosworth,
> Middleham, York & Ludlow... although there is Warwick & Fotheringhay Church
> (sadly the mound that was once the castle was disappointing!) So many to
> recall... I'm thinking of Windsor Castle for this year... but havent done
> my plan as yet! I go home to the Chester area so thats the base we trek out
> from & most R3 sites are quite a way away!
>
> I'll report back!
> TTFN
> Lisa
>
>
>
> On 12 August 2012 17:16, EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@...> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > Lisa....I have to confess here....I quite liked the Preparation for Battle
> > ..the Kingmaker...wax models...I thought they were very well done...and
> > looked like they were going to move at any moment...I thought the smells
> > added to it. I found the dungeon absolutely horrendous...those poor
> > souls...in the constant dark...
> > I did love the oldest parts of the castle where Richard, Anne and her
> > parents would have walked like the gateway and the bridge over the moat...I
> > love to visit places where this has all taken place...my
> > favourites...Tewkesbury Abbey and Minster Lovell....wonderful places with
> > ambience...Do you have a favourite place associated with Richard?
> >
> > Yes...Hampton Court Palace is lovely.....Havent been there for years....I
> > presume that little boy's voice was recorded and not a
> > ghost.....Yikes....what are they doing...trying to scare the visitors to
> > death lol...Eileen
> >
> > --- In , "Lisa @ The Antiques
> > Boutique" <lisa.holtjones@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I do love Warwick Castle though (not the wax models!) - I found it
> > > interesting that they added 'smells' to the stables area where the
> > > automated horses were being shod!
> > > I visited Hampton Court Palace (loved it) on my own & went down a back
> > > staircase, when the hairs on the back of my neck started to rise as a
> > > little boy's voice from out of nowhere whispered 'Divorced, beheaded,
> > died,
> > > divorced, beheaded, survived' THAT was really creepy!
> > >
> > > On 12 August 2012 14:45, EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > **
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yes....it's too bad of them.....History is interesting enough without
> > > > having to glam it up....Likewise...look what they have done to Warwick
> > > > Castle...Madam Tussauds purchased it and made it into a mini theme
> > park.
> > > > Its completely over the top....
> > > > Eileen
> > > >
> > > > --- In , "ellrosa1452"
> > <kathryn198@>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I forgot to put put my name at the bottom.
> > > > > Elaine
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In , "ellrosa1452"
> > > > <kathryn198@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Lisa and others interested in the Tower of London and in
> > response
> > > > to your advert. Last summer I visited the Tower with the intention of
> > > > researching specific interests, namely the Bloody Tower and its
> > > > associations with The Princes in the Tower and Sir Walter Raleigh, The
> > > > Lower Bowyer Tower, - Clarence, the Martin Tower for The Wizard Earl -
> > > > Northumberland and Tower Green, Scaffold site and the Chapel. I did not
> > > > have time to visit the White Tower so shall visit that this summer
> > > > hopefully. I have always felt uneasy regarding the Tower because of its
> > > > associations with cruelty, oppression and the rule of tyrants but
> > > > feltcompelled to overcome these in the interests of research. I did not
> > > > join the organised guides of Beefeaters who are primarily aimed at
> > children
> > > > but occasionally listened in to one of the guides. I teach history and
> > the
> > > > periods they were covering were familiar to me.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I understand their need to make it interesting and to grab their
> > > > audience even if it extends to reinterpreting events and to
> > sensationalise
> > > > aspects. There were displays in the Bloody Tower above Raleigh's rooms
> > > > about murders that had taken place in the Tower such as Sir Thomas
> > > > Overbury's poisoning in gruesome detail and the Princes' murder with
> > > > audience participation requested as to whom was the likelier murderer,
> > with
> > > > a list of suspects given. No clues for guessing who were the suspects,
> > but
> > > > there were only two and the information given was biased in favour of
> > one.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The Lower Bowyer Tower where Clarence was held was more restrained
> > and
> > > > it was possible to get a feel of the oppressive atmosphere which was
> > helped
> > > > by a definite lack of props.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Your poster of the monstrous Henry, whose crimes I feel should
> > never
> > > > be minimised, is ironic and I can see the humour, however I feel it
> > does a
> > > > disservice to all of his victims and there were at least 70,000 maybe
> > more.
> > > > After my visit I felt a sense of unease for some time at the way those
> > in
> > > > charge have decided to present the history of the Tower as I feel all
> > the
> > > > suffering that people endured there is glossed over and the
> > presentation
> > > > concentrated on the ghoulish and sensationalist aspect which I felt
> > > > uncomfortable with.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Lisa
> > > The Antiques Boutique & Ceramic Restoration/Conservation Services
> > > Baddeck, Nova Scotia.
> > > Tel: 902 295 9013 / 1329
> > >
> > > www.Antiques-Boutique.com <http://www.antiques-boutique.com/>
> > > Like us on *www.facebook.com/TheAntiquesBoutique*
> > > View our Ceramic Restoration Photos
> > > <
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Lisa
> The Antiques Boutique & Ceramic Restoration/Conservation Services
> Baddeck, Nova Scotia.
> Tel: 902 295 9013 / 1329
>
> www.Antiques-Boutique.com <http://www.antiques-boutique.com/>
> Like us on *www.facebook.com/TheAntiquesBoutique*
> View our Ceramic Restoration Photos
> <https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.398988066799604.100100.108554399176307&type=1&l=cd560aff9f>
>
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>
Re: Presenting the History of The Tower of London
2012-08-13 14:45:44
Karen....re the Countess of Warwick booting them into oblivion...you are naughty but I like you :0)
--- In , Karen Clark <Ragged_staff@...> wrote:
>
> That breaks my heart, Eileen. What brings me some comfort though, is
> imagining the Countess of Warwick's face as she boots them all to oblivion!
>
> Karen
>
> From: EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@...>
> Reply-To: <>
> Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 17:45:02 -0000
> To: <>
> Subject: Re: Presenting the History of The
> Tower of London
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes....it's too bad of them.....History is interesting enough without
> having to glam it up....Likewise...look what they have done to Warwick
> Castle...Madam Tussauds purchased it and made it into a mini theme park.
> Its completely over the top....
> Eileen
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
--- In , Karen Clark <Ragged_staff@...> wrote:
>
> That breaks my heart, Eileen. What brings me some comfort though, is
> imagining the Countess of Warwick's face as she boots them all to oblivion!
>
> Karen
>
> From: EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@...>
> Reply-To: <>
> Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 17:45:02 -0000
> To: <>
> Subject: Re: Presenting the History of The
> Tower of London
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes....it's too bad of them.....History is interesting enough without
> having to glam it up....Likewise...look what they have done to Warwick
> Castle...Madam Tussauds purchased it and made it into a mini theme park.
> Its completely over the top....
> Eileen
>
>
>
>
>
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>
Re: Presenting the History of The Tower of London
2012-08-13 17:43:41
Eileen, there are some novelists I think she'd enjoy haunting as well.
Karen
From: EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@...>
Reply-To: <>
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 13:45:41 -0000
To: <>
Subject: Re: Presenting the History of The
Tower of London
Karen....re the Countess of Warwick booting them into oblivion...you are
naughty but I like you :0)
--- In
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> , Karen Clark
<Ragged_staff@...> wrote:
>
> That breaks my heart, Eileen. What brings me some comfort though, is
> imagining the Countess of Warwick's face as she boots them all to oblivion!
>
> Karen
>
> From: EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@...>
> Reply-To: <
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> >
> Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 17:45:02 -0000
> To: <
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> >
> Subject: Re: Presenting the History of The
> Tower of London
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes....it's too bad of them.....History is interesting enough without
> having to glam it up....Likewise...look what they have done to Warwick
> Castle...Madam Tussauds purchased it and made it into a mini theme park.
> Its completely over the top....
> Eileen
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Karen
From: EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@...>
Reply-To: <>
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 13:45:41 -0000
To: <>
Subject: Re: Presenting the History of The
Tower of London
Karen....re the Countess of Warwick booting them into oblivion...you are
naughty but I like you :0)
--- In
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> , Karen Clark
<Ragged_staff@...> wrote:
>
> That breaks my heart, Eileen. What brings me some comfort though, is
> imagining the Countess of Warwick's face as she boots them all to oblivion!
>
> Karen
>
> From: EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@...>
> Reply-To: <
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> >
> Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 17:45:02 -0000
> To: <
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> >
> Subject: Re: Presenting the History of The
> Tower of London
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes....it's too bad of them.....History is interesting enough without
> having to glam it up....Likewise...look what they have done to Warwick
> Castle...Madam Tussauds purchased it and made it into a mini theme park.
> Its completely over the top....
> Eileen
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Re: Presenting the History of The Tower of London
2012-08-13 19:40:01
Yikes Karen...of whom do you speak?....Sir Thomas More and his co-writer Morton spring to mind with their fictional account of the life of Richard but then again someone who is already dead cannot be haunted...can they?
Casting aside novelists for one moment I can think of a well known historian who deserves haunting....:0)
Eileen
--- In , Karen Clark <Ragged_staff@...> wrote:
>
> Eileen, there are some novelists I think she'd enjoy haunting as well.
>
> Karen
>
> From: EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@...>
> Reply-To: <>
> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 13:45:41 -0000
> To: <>
> Subject: Re: Presenting the History of The
> Tower of London
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Karen....re the Countess of Warwick booting them into oblivion...you are
> naughty but I like you :0)
> --- In
> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> , Karen Clark
> <Ragged_staff@> wrote:
> >
> > That breaks my heart, Eileen. What brings me some comfort though, is
> > imagining the Countess of Warwick's face as she boots them all to oblivion!
> >
> > Karen
> >
> > From: EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@>
> > Reply-To: <
> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> >
> > Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 17:45:02 -0000
> > To: <
> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> >
> > Subject: Re: Presenting the History of The
> > Tower of London
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yes....it's too bad of them.....History is interesting enough without
> > having to glam it up....Likewise...look what they have done to Warwick
> > Castle...Madam Tussauds purchased it and made it into a mini theme park.
> > Its completely over the top....
> > Eileen
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
Casting aside novelists for one moment I can think of a well known historian who deserves haunting....:0)
Eileen
--- In , Karen Clark <Ragged_staff@...> wrote:
>
> Eileen, there are some novelists I think she'd enjoy haunting as well.
>
> Karen
>
> From: EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@...>
> Reply-To: <>
> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 13:45:41 -0000
> To: <>
> Subject: Re: Presenting the History of The
> Tower of London
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Karen....re the Countess of Warwick booting them into oblivion...you are
> naughty but I like you :0)
> --- In
> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> , Karen Clark
> <Ragged_staff@> wrote:
> >
> > That breaks my heart, Eileen. What brings me some comfort though, is
> > imagining the Countess of Warwick's face as she boots them all to oblivion!
> >
> > Karen
> >
> > From: EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@>
> > Reply-To: <
> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> >
> > Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 17:45:02 -0000
> > To: <
> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> >
> > Subject: Re: Presenting the History of The
> > Tower of London
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yes....it's too bad of them.....History is interesting enough without
> > having to glam it up....Likewise...look what they have done to Warwick
> > Castle...Madam Tussauds purchased it and made it into a mini theme park.
> > Its completely over the top....
> > Eileen
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: Presenting the History of The Tower of London
2012-08-13 20:34:08
they can't be haunted per se, but they can be hexed/cursed according to the belief system of their era..i.e. morton. tithes were often left to the church for others to pray for the soul of the deceased. morton's belongs in the deepest recesses of hell.
more not so much. i think he's taken a beating already and not entirely deservedly so. more didn't publish his writings. i think it was his son in law, if i correctly recall. more was a survivalist. if he did intend to publish it was to appease h8 and his cronies
morton on the other had was a "supposed" man of god (serving as a representative of christ). morton was certainly a betrayer and schemer for personal gain and profit. no wonder he and buckingham teamed up. birds of a feather flock together. those pieces of dark carrion should be shrouded in lead to prevent their evil from infesting anyone passing near.
roslyn
--- On Mon, 8/13/12, EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@...> wrote:
From: EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@...>
Subject: Re: Presenting the History of The Tower of London
To:
Received: Monday, August 13, 2012, 2:39 PM
Yikes Karen...of whom do you speak?....Sir Thomas More and his co-writer Morton spring to mind with their fictional account of the life of Richard but then again someone who is already dead cannot be haunted...can they?
Casting aside novelists for one moment I can think of a well known historian who deserves haunting....:0)
Eileen
--- In , Karen Clark <Ragged_staff@...> wrote:
>
> Eileen, there are some novelists I think she'd enjoy haunting as well.
>
> Karen
>
> From: EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@...>
> Reply-To: <>
> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 13:45:41 -0000
> To: <>
> Subject: Re: Presenting the History of The
> Tower of London
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Karen....re the Countess of Warwick booting them into oblivion...you are
> naughty but I like you :0)
> --- In
> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> , Karen Clark
> <Ragged_staff@> wrote:
> >
> > That breaks my heart, Eileen. What brings me some comfort though, is
> > imagining the Countess of Warwick's face as she boots them all to oblivion!
> >
> > Karen
> >
> > From: EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@>
> > Reply-To: <
> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> >
> > Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 17:45:02 -0000
> > To: <
> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> >
> > Subject: Re: Presenting the History of The
> > Tower of London
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yes....it's too bad of them.....History is interesting enough without
> > having to glam it up....Likewise...look what they have done to Warwick
> > Castle...Madam Tussauds purchased it and made it into a mini theme park.
> > Its completely over the top....
> > Eileen
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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more not so much. i think he's taken a beating already and not entirely deservedly so. more didn't publish his writings. i think it was his son in law, if i correctly recall. more was a survivalist. if he did intend to publish it was to appease h8 and his cronies
morton on the other had was a "supposed" man of god (serving as a representative of christ). morton was certainly a betrayer and schemer for personal gain and profit. no wonder he and buckingham teamed up. birds of a feather flock together. those pieces of dark carrion should be shrouded in lead to prevent their evil from infesting anyone passing near.
roslyn
--- On Mon, 8/13/12, EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@...> wrote:
From: EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@...>
Subject: Re: Presenting the History of The Tower of London
To:
Received: Monday, August 13, 2012, 2:39 PM
Yikes Karen...of whom do you speak?....Sir Thomas More and his co-writer Morton spring to mind with their fictional account of the life of Richard but then again someone who is already dead cannot be haunted...can they?
Casting aside novelists for one moment I can think of a well known historian who deserves haunting....:0)
Eileen
--- In , Karen Clark <Ragged_staff@...> wrote:
>
> Eileen, there are some novelists I think she'd enjoy haunting as well.
>
> Karen
>
> From: EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@...>
> Reply-To: <>
> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 13:45:41 -0000
> To: <>
> Subject: Re: Presenting the History of The
> Tower of London
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Karen....re the Countess of Warwick booting them into oblivion...you are
> naughty but I like you :0)
> --- In
> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> , Karen Clark
> <Ragged_staff@> wrote:
> >
> > That breaks my heart, Eileen. What brings me some comfort though, is
> > imagining the Countess of Warwick's face as she boots them all to oblivion!
> >
> > Karen
> >
> > From: EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@>
> > Reply-To: <
> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> >
> > Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 17:45:02 -0000
> > To: <
> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> >
> > Subject: Re: Presenting the History of The
> > Tower of London
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yes....it's too bad of them.....History is interesting enough without
> > having to glam it up....Likewise...look what they have done to Warwick
> > Castle...Madam Tussauds purchased it and made it into a mini theme park.
> > Its completely over the top....
> > Eileen
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: Presenting the History of The Tower of London
2012-08-13 21:52:33
Roslyn.....I always say God pays debts without money....I hope Morton got what he had coming to him when his time came. Eileen
--- In , fayre rose <fayreroze@...> wrote:
>
> they can't be haunted per se, but they can be hexed/cursed according to the belief system of their era..i.e. morton. tithes were often left to the church for others to pray for the soul of the deceased. morton's belongs in the deepest recesses of hell.
> Â
> more not so much. i think he's taken a beating already and not entirely deservedly so. more didn't publish his writings. i think it was his son in law, if i correctly recall. more was a survivalist. if he did intend to publish it was to appease h8 and his cronies
> Â
> morton on the other had was a "supposed" man of god (serving as a representative of christ). morton was certainly a betrayer and schemer for personal gain and profit. no wonder he and buckingham teamed up. birds of a feather flock together. those pieces of dark carrion should be shrouded in lead to prevent their evil from infesting anyone passing near.
> Â
> roslyn
> Â
>
>
> --- On Mon, 8/13/12, EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@...>
> Subject: Re: Presenting the History of The Tower of London
> To:
> Received: Monday, August 13, 2012, 2:39 PM
>
>
>
> Â
>
>
>
> Yikes Karen...of whom do you speak?....Sir Thomas More and his co-writer Morton spring to mind with their fictional account of the life of Richard but then again someone who is already dead cannot be haunted...can they?
>
> Casting aside novelists for one moment I can think of a well known historian who deserves haunting....:0)
> Eileen
> --- In , Karen Clark <Ragged_staff@> wrote:
> >
> > Eileen, there are some novelists I think she'd enjoy haunting as well.
> >
> > Karen
> >
> > From: EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@>
> > Reply-To: <>
> > Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 13:45:41 -0000
> > To: <>
> > Subject: Re: Presenting the History of The
> > Tower of London
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Karen....re the Countess of Warwick booting them into oblivion...you are
> > naughty but I like you :0)
> > --- In
> > <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> , Karen Clark
> > <Ragged_staff@> wrote:
> > >
> > > That breaks my heart, Eileen. What brings me some comfort though, is
> > > imagining the Countess of Warwick's face as she boots them all to oblivion!
> > >
> > > Karen
> > >
> > > From: EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@>
> > > Reply-To: <
> > <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> >
> > > Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 17:45:02 -0000
> > > To: <
> > <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> >
> > > Subject: Re: Presenting the History of The
> > > Tower of London
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yes....it's too bad of them.....History is interesting enough without
> > > having to glam it up....Likewise...look what they have done to Warwick
> > > Castle...Madam Tussauds purchased it and made it into a mini theme park.
> > > Its completely over the top....
> > > Eileen
> > >
> > >
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--- In , fayre rose <fayreroze@...> wrote:
>
> they can't be haunted per se, but they can be hexed/cursed according to the belief system of their era..i.e. morton. tithes were often left to the church for others to pray for the soul of the deceased. morton's belongs in the deepest recesses of hell.
> Â
> more not so much. i think he's taken a beating already and not entirely deservedly so. more didn't publish his writings. i think it was his son in law, if i correctly recall. more was a survivalist. if he did intend to publish it was to appease h8 and his cronies
> Â
> morton on the other had was a "supposed" man of god (serving as a representative of christ). morton was certainly a betrayer and schemer for personal gain and profit. no wonder he and buckingham teamed up. birds of a feather flock together. those pieces of dark carrion should be shrouded in lead to prevent their evil from infesting anyone passing near.
> Â
> roslyn
> Â
>
>
> --- On Mon, 8/13/12, EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@...>
> Subject: Re: Presenting the History of The Tower of London
> To:
> Received: Monday, August 13, 2012, 2:39 PM
>
>
>
> Â
>
>
>
> Yikes Karen...of whom do you speak?....Sir Thomas More and his co-writer Morton spring to mind with their fictional account of the life of Richard but then again someone who is already dead cannot be haunted...can they?
>
> Casting aside novelists for one moment I can think of a well known historian who deserves haunting....:0)
> Eileen
> --- In , Karen Clark <Ragged_staff@> wrote:
> >
> > Eileen, there are some novelists I think she'd enjoy haunting as well.
> >
> > Karen
> >
> > From: EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@>
> > Reply-To: <>
> > Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 13:45:41 -0000
> > To: <>
> > Subject: Re: Presenting the History of The
> > Tower of London
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Karen....re the Countess of Warwick booting them into oblivion...you are
> > naughty but I like you :0)
> > --- In
> > <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> , Karen Clark
> > <Ragged_staff@> wrote:
> > >
> > > That breaks my heart, Eileen. What brings me some comfort though, is
> > > imagining the Countess of Warwick's face as she boots them all to oblivion!
> > >
> > > Karen
> > >
> > > From: EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@>
> > > Reply-To: <
> > <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> >
> > > Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 17:45:02 -0000
> > > To: <
> > <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> >
> > > Subject: Re: Presenting the History of The
> > > Tower of London
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yes....it's too bad of them.....History is interesting enough without
> > > having to glam it up....Likewise...look what they have done to Warwick
> > > Castle...Madam Tussauds purchased it and made it into a mini theme park.
> > > Its completely over the top....
> > > Eileen
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Re: Presenting the History of The Tower of London
2012-08-25 18:23:01
Hi lisa
Sorry this is a bit late replying as I have been travelling again. It's a small world isn't it? I originally come from Chester and still live in the UK so get what you mean regarding the British sense of humour. I think there are some parts of our history that should be revisited in the same way that slavery or imperialism has been - one of these is the impact of the Tudors and especially that of the reign of Henry VIII who is still viewed by some as a jovial jack the lad and not a megalomaniac monster on a par with Stalin or even Hitler. What he did to his own people in terms of the human misery and suffering he created, let alone the effects on the country and the catastrophic effects on society at large created a police state on a par with Nazi Germany or the Stalinist State.
Also if one considers what an enlightened and progressive country England could have been if Richard had not been betrayed makes it all the more tragic.
If this is a solo effort on my part to campaign against the way Henry VIII is viewed so be it. I see it as part of the bigger picture in terms of the tragedy of what befell England and also Western civilisation on 22 August 1485.
Elaine
--- In , "Lisa @ The Antiques Boutique" <lisa.holtjones@...> wrote:
>
> Yes Elaine - I agree that behind the irony are many awful tragedies. I'm
> not sure which side of 'the pond' you're from but it is typical British
> 'humour' to make light of these things...(war time humour etc...) I did
> laugh are Blancsangliers note though (sorry).
>
> I was at the Tower just before I emigrated to Canada & I too found it a sad
> place & had difficulty in imagining the horrors some of the inmates must
> have felt. I disregarded the Beefeaters & used the informative & factual
> rather than fanciful info on the head sets.
>
> All Beefeaters are ex-army & I met one here in Canada & got into a heated
> discussion on 'The Princes' - he was adamant that they had been murdered by
> Richard - something they were taught - they have to learn their scripts by
> heart - bit like brainwashing! & he was not for budging on the
> matter...which is regrettable as it perpetuates the myth. However it does
> make a ton of ££s for tourism... I think its the only one of the Historic
> Royal Palaces that actually makes a profit.
>
> On 12 August 2012 13:35, blancsanglier1452 <blancsanglier1452@...>wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > ...and not forgetting Gruffydd ap Llywelyn Fawr's attempted bungee-jump in
> > 1244 of course!!! ;)
> >
> > --- In , "ellrosa1452" <kathryn198@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I forgot to put put my name at the bottom.
> > > Elaine
> > >
> > > --- In , "ellrosa1452"
> > <kathryn198@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Lisa and others interested in the Tower of London and in response
> > to your advert. Last summer I visited the Tower with the intention of
> > researching specific interests, namely the Bloody Tower and its
> > associations with The Princes in the Tower and Sir Walter Raleigh, The
> > Lower Bowyer Tower, - Clarence, the Martin Tower for The Wizard Earl -
> > Northumberland and Tower Green, Scaffold site and the Chapel. I did not
> > have time to visit the White Tower so shall visit that this summer
> > hopefully. I have always felt uneasy regarding the Tower because of its
> > associations with cruelty, oppression and the rule of tyrants but
> > feltcompelled to overcome these in the interests of research. I did not
> > join the organised guides of Beefeaters who are primarily aimed at children
> > but occasionally listened in to one of the guides. I teach history and the
> > periods they were covering were familiar to me.
> > > >
> > > > I understand their need to make it interesting and to grab their
> > audience even if it extends to reinterpreting events and to sensationalise
> > aspects. There were displays in the Bloody Tower above Raleigh's rooms
> > about murders that had taken place in the Tower such as Sir Thomas
> > Overbury's poisoning in gruesome detail and the Princes' murder with
> > audience participation requested as to whom was the likelier murderer, with
> > a list of suspects given. No clues for guessing who were the suspects, but
> > there were only two and the information given was biased in favour of one.
> > > >
> > > > The Lower Bowyer Tower where Clarence was held was more restrained and
> > it was possible to get a feel of the oppressive atmosphere which was helped
> > by a definite lack of props.
> > > >
> > > > Your poster of the monstrous Henry, whose crimes I feel should never
> > be minimised, is ironic and I can see the humour, however I feel it does a
> > disservice to all of his victims and there were at least 70,000 maybe more.
> > After my visit I felt a sense of unease for some time at the way those in
> > charge have decided to present the history of the Tower as I feel all the
> > suffering that people endured there is glossed over and the presentation
> > concentrated on the ghoulish and sensationalist aspect which I felt
> > uncomfortable with.
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
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Sorry this is a bit late replying as I have been travelling again. It's a small world isn't it? I originally come from Chester and still live in the UK so get what you mean regarding the British sense of humour. I think there are some parts of our history that should be revisited in the same way that slavery or imperialism has been - one of these is the impact of the Tudors and especially that of the reign of Henry VIII who is still viewed by some as a jovial jack the lad and not a megalomaniac monster on a par with Stalin or even Hitler. What he did to his own people in terms of the human misery and suffering he created, let alone the effects on the country and the catastrophic effects on society at large created a police state on a par with Nazi Germany or the Stalinist State.
Also if one considers what an enlightened and progressive country England could have been if Richard had not been betrayed makes it all the more tragic.
If this is a solo effort on my part to campaign against the way Henry VIII is viewed so be it. I see it as part of the bigger picture in terms of the tragedy of what befell England and also Western civilisation on 22 August 1485.
Elaine
--- In , "Lisa @ The Antiques Boutique" <lisa.holtjones@...> wrote:
>
> Yes Elaine - I agree that behind the irony are many awful tragedies. I'm
> not sure which side of 'the pond' you're from but it is typical British
> 'humour' to make light of these things...(war time humour etc...) I did
> laugh are Blancsangliers note though (sorry).
>
> I was at the Tower just before I emigrated to Canada & I too found it a sad
> place & had difficulty in imagining the horrors some of the inmates must
> have felt. I disregarded the Beefeaters & used the informative & factual
> rather than fanciful info on the head sets.
>
> All Beefeaters are ex-army & I met one here in Canada & got into a heated
> discussion on 'The Princes' - he was adamant that they had been murdered by
> Richard - something they were taught - they have to learn their scripts by
> heart - bit like brainwashing! & he was not for budging on the
> matter...which is regrettable as it perpetuates the myth. However it does
> make a ton of ££s for tourism... I think its the only one of the Historic
> Royal Palaces that actually makes a profit.
>
> On 12 August 2012 13:35, blancsanglier1452 <blancsanglier1452@...>wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > ...and not forgetting Gruffydd ap Llywelyn Fawr's attempted bungee-jump in
> > 1244 of course!!! ;)
> >
> > --- In , "ellrosa1452" <kathryn198@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I forgot to put put my name at the bottom.
> > > Elaine
> > >
> > > --- In , "ellrosa1452"
> > <kathryn198@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Lisa and others interested in the Tower of London and in response
> > to your advert. Last summer I visited the Tower with the intention of
> > researching specific interests, namely the Bloody Tower and its
> > associations with The Princes in the Tower and Sir Walter Raleigh, The
> > Lower Bowyer Tower, - Clarence, the Martin Tower for The Wizard Earl -
> > Northumberland and Tower Green, Scaffold site and the Chapel. I did not
> > have time to visit the White Tower so shall visit that this summer
> > hopefully. I have always felt uneasy regarding the Tower because of its
> > associations with cruelty, oppression and the rule of tyrants but
> > feltcompelled to overcome these in the interests of research. I did not
> > join the organised guides of Beefeaters who are primarily aimed at children
> > but occasionally listened in to one of the guides. I teach history and the
> > periods they were covering were familiar to me.
> > > >
> > > > I understand their need to make it interesting and to grab their
> > audience even if it extends to reinterpreting events and to sensationalise
> > aspects. There were displays in the Bloody Tower above Raleigh's rooms
> > about murders that had taken place in the Tower such as Sir Thomas
> > Overbury's poisoning in gruesome detail and the Princes' murder with
> > audience participation requested as to whom was the likelier murderer, with
> > a list of suspects given. No clues for guessing who were the suspects, but
> > there were only two and the information given was biased in favour of one.
> > > >
> > > > The Lower Bowyer Tower where Clarence was held was more restrained and
> > it was possible to get a feel of the oppressive atmosphere which was helped
> > by a definite lack of props.
> > > >
> > > > Your poster of the monstrous Henry, whose crimes I feel should never
> > be minimised, is ironic and I can see the humour, however I feel it does a
> > disservice to all of his victims and there were at least 70,000 maybe more.
> > After my visit I felt a sense of unease for some time at the way those in
> > charge have decided to present the history of the Tower as I feel all the
> > suffering that people endured there is glossed over and the presentation
> > concentrated on the ghoulish and sensationalist aspect which I felt
> > uncomfortable with.
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Lisa
> The Antiques Boutique & Ceramic Restoration/Conservation Services
> Baddeck, Nova Scotia.
> Tel: 902 295 9013 / 1329
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