Better article

Here's a more scholarly article that debunks the withered arm as well as the hunchback and includes comments from various experts, including Philippa Langley and a more detailed version of Foxhall's comment about Richard's strength and activity. Another pair of experts, Dr Sarah Knight and Dr Mary Ann Lund (scholars of English literature), actually quote and discount Sir Thomas More and talk about the damage done by the Tudor historians: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/09/120912093457.htm

Good to know that not everyone is just picking up and repeating the same news releases.

Carol

Has there been any mention yet of the height of the skeleton?  I have not seen anything on it in any of the articles I've read
Vickie

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Here's a more scholarly article that debunks the withered arm as well as the hunchback and includes comments from various experts, including Philippa Langley and a more detailed version of Foxhall's comment about Richard's strength and activity. Another pair of experts, Dr Sarah Knight and Dr Mary Ann Lund (scholars of English literature), actually quote and discount Sir Thomas More and talk about the damage done by the Tudor historians: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/09/120912093457.htm

Good to know that not everyone is just picking up and repeating the same news releases.

Carol

my thought exactly, vickie as i read marie's response. don't you just love it when many minds are all working towards solving a mystery.
 
a question i'd like to ask the archeologists is...
is there any indication and/or an imprint of the skelton's muscle structure? in particular his shoulder, arm and hand.
 
for the record, i don't believe richard had a withered arm. i do believe *if* richard made any such statement with regard to of having a withered arm; it would have been made as a metaphor to the crippling effect the betrayal of hastings and others had had on richard's ability to act as protector.
 
the right arm is sybolic of power. to wither richard's arm was to impede his power as a protector and/or ruler.
 
Further, the metaphor could also be applied in consideration of the proof in regard to e4's betrayal of eleanor bulter nee talbot (that instigated the compostition of titilus regius).
 
This information/revelation also crippled/withered richard's duty to be the protector. Moreover, it thrust him forward into taking the politically unpopular steps toward's becoming the next true king of the plantagenet line.
 
roslyn

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Has there been any mention yet of the height of the skeleton?  I have not seen anything on it in any of the articles I've read
Vickie

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Subject: Better article

 
Here's a more scholarly article that debunks the withered arm as well as the hunchback and includes comments from various experts, including Philippa Langley and a more detailed version of Foxhall's comment about Richard's strength and activity. Another pair of experts, Dr Sarah Knight and Dr Mary Ann Lund (scholars of English literature), actually quote and discount Sir Thomas More and talk about the damage done by the Tudor historians: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/09/120912093457.htm

Good to know that not everyone is just picking up and repeating the same news releases.

Carol

Hey, Vickie! I'm by no means an archeonerd, but I understand that the remains are missing their feet, poor lamb, and a detailed study must be undertaken in an appropriately-equipped lab before they can get accurate measurements. We may be a little ways off from any height declarations. I'm thinking, based on absolutely zero info, that the number will come in right about five-two to five-five; average height for men in that era was about five-seven (although Edward IV wrecked the scale for everybody else) and our Good King Richard was known to be relatively wee.

--- In , Vickie Cook <lolettecook@...> wrote:
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> Has there been any mention yet of the height of the skeleton?  I have not seen anything on it in any of the articles I've read
> Vickie

> Has there been any mention yet of the height of the skeleton? I
> have not seen anything on it in any of the articles I've read

Yes, Vickie, I'm curious about that, as Richard seems to have been
quite small. I'm also curious about his teeth, as his portraits
suggest to me he may have been missing his front ones. (At least,
unlike another of my more pocket-sized historical pets, 'Two-Gun Sid'
Hatfield, he doesn't have gold teeth, which do not photograph well...)

His injuries are dreadful, but at least major head trauma would mean
he died quickly or was unconscious quickly, poor dear. Glad he didn't
suffer long.

I'm now thinking how many other of my heroes need to be located...
I've another king (Conrad I of Jerusalem) currently AWOL under the
city of Tyre, and I don't know whether Julian's still inside his
plain porphyry sarcophagus outside the archaeology museum in
Constantinople...

best wishes,
Marianne

fayre rose wrote:
<snip>  
> a question i'd like to ask the archeologists is...
> is there any indication and/or an imprint of the skelton's muscle structure? in particular his shoulder, arm and hand.
>  
> for the record, i don't believe richard had a withered arm. i do believe *if* richard made any such statement with regard to of having a withered arm; it would have been made as a metaphor to the crippling effect the betrayal of hastings and others had had on richard's ability to act as protector. <snip>

Carol earlier:  
> Here's a more scholarly article that debunks the withered arm as well as the hunchback <snip> http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/09/120912093457.htm <snip>

Carol again:

As I indicated earlier, the article I linked to (see above) states flat out that there is no withered arm (or hunchback) and states that the man (presumably Richard) was strong and active. If you haven't already read the article, I highly recommend it.

As for the metaphorical withered arm, it's a fine theory, but in my view, both the withered arm and the strawberries in the same scene are the products of More's imagination.

Carol