Oct. 2, 2012 - Hilary Wood-Wilson poss descendant?

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Richard III: Leicestershire villager Hilary thrilled to find she's descendant of king


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Like many of us, Hilary Wood-Wilson was gripped as the tale of the search for Richard III's remains unfolded.

But the story became rather more exciting for the 68-year-old when she was told it was more than likely the Plantagenet king was an ancestor.

Hilary Wood-Wilson

Hilary Wood-Wilson

Hilary has been told that Richard III, who was born 560 years ago today, was an uncle of 17 generations.

She is one of several people who are possible descendants of the king.

Hilary, who lives in Houghton on the Hill with husband Gerry, said it was an exciting discovery.

"My cousin lives in Edinburgh and she was following all the stories about Richard III as she's very interested in it all," Hilary said.

"She'd done some research before and thought there might be a family connection, but that didn't go any further at the time.

"When the search for his body started, she started looking into it again.

"When she found out, she sent us a long e-mail telling us how excited she was about it all, because, of course, she's related as well.

"I'd been following the story with interest, not knowing royalty was a distant relation  if you can call it that, it is a long way down the line.

"It's all very exciting. It's just a pity he's been associated with so many horrors, but I do know he was a very brave soldier and that's nice to know."

Archaeologists uncovered human remains at the Greyfriars car park, in the city centre, in August.

Although the identity of the remains has not yet been confirmed, there is strong evidence to suggest they belong to Richard III.

DNA from the bones is being compared with that of Canadian-born furniture maker Michael Ibsen, who was identified as being a direct descendant of the female line in 2006.

Hilary said she would also be happy to help if researchers needed any more descendants.

"It will be interesting to see whether the remains really are Richard III, but all the evidence seems to point to it," she said.

"I think Mr Ibsen is far more direct than me. I am probably too far removed but I would be happy to help if I can be of any use."

Gerry said: "I think it's all quite interesting. It will be fantastic if the DNA test proves it really is him."

DNA testing of the Greyfriars skeleton is expected to take up to 12 weeks.

Philippa Langley, of the Richard III Society, said: "We have been contacted by quite a few people who may be descendants.

"It is not that out of the ordinary, so far down the line.

"I think it's lovely that people are going that far back in this day and age.

"It's been such an exciting project and all of this adds to the interest it has generated."





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Johanne L. Tournier



Email - jltournier60@...

or jltournier@...



"With God, all things are possible."

- Jesus of Nazareth

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I had the greatest fun tracing my family tree back..well one branch of it...Its so much easier now that a lot of the parish records are on line. I have gone as far back as the 1770s...Unfortunately no royalty but weavers living in Bethnal Green. probably very poor....but I am immensely proud of them...I dont know why exactly I just am...:0) Eileen
--- In , Johanne Tournier <jltournier60@...> wrote:
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> http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/Richard-III-Leicestershire-villager-Hilary/story-17018949-detail/story.html
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> Richard III: Leicestershire villager Hilary thrilled to find she's descendant of king
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> Like many of us, Hilary Wood-Wilson was gripped as the tale of the search for Richard III's remains unfolded.
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> But the story became rather more exciting for the 68-year-old when she was told it was more than likely the Plantagenet king was an ancestor.
>
> ​Hilary Wood-Wilson
>
> Hilary Wood-Wilson
>
> Hilary has been told that Richard III, who was born 560 years ago today, was an uncle of 17 generations.
>
> She is one of several people who are possible descendants of the king.
>
> Hilary, who lives in Houghton on the Hill with husband Gerry, said it was an exciting discovery.
>
> "My cousin lives in Edinburgh and she was following all the stories about Richard III as she's very interested in it all," Hilary said.
>
> "She'd done some research before and thought there might be a family connection, but that didn't go any further at the time.
>
> "When the search for his body started, she started looking into it again.
>
> "When she found out, she sent us a long e-mail telling us how excited she was about it all, because, of course, she's related as well.
>
> "I'd been following the story with interest, not knowing royalty was a distant relation â€" if you can call it that, it is a long way down the line.
>
> "It's all very exciting. It's just a pity he's been associated with so many horrors, but I do know he was a very brave soldier and that's nice to know."
>
> Archaeologists uncovered human remains at the Greyfriars car park, in the city centre, in August.
>
> Although the identity of the remains has not yet been confirmed, there is strong evidence to suggest they belong to Richard III.
>
> DNA from the bones is being compared with that of Canadian-born furniture maker Michael Ibsen, who was identified as being a direct descendant of the female line in 2006.
>
> Hilary said she would also be happy to help if researchers needed any more descendants.
>
> "It will be interesting to see whether the remains really are Richard III, but all the evidence seems to point to it," she said.
>
> "I think Mr Ibsen is far more direct than me. I am probably too far removed but I would be happy to help if I can be of any use."
>
> Gerry said: "I think it's all quite interesting. It will be fantastic if the DNA test proves it really is him."
>
> DNA testing of the Greyfriars skeleton is expected to take up to 12 weeks.
>
> Philippa Langley, of the Richard III Society, said: "We have been contacted by quite a few people who may be descendants.
>
> "It is not that out of the ordinary, so far down the line.
>
> "I think it's lovely that people are going that far back in this day and age.
>
> "It's been such an exciting project and all of this adds to the interest it has generated."
>
>
>
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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> Johanne L. Tournier
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>
>
> Email - jltournier60@...
>
> or jltournier@...
>
>
>
> "With God, all things are possible."
>
> - Jesus of Nazareth
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
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For our (Ricardian) purposes, parish registers are relatively recent - 1530s, if I recall aright. And we've tracked my mother's ancestors back to the 1700s, but prior to that, the info gets very hazy. How I wish DNA testing were less costly; I'd love to find out if my husband and I are distantly related, for one (there's a slight possibility).

Judy
 
Loyaulte me lie


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From: EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@...>
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Subject: Re: Oct. 2, 2012 - Hilary Wood-Wilson poss descendant?


 
I had the greatest fun tracing my family tree back..well one branch of it...Its so much easier now that a lot of the parish records are on line. I have gone as far back as the 1770s...Unfortunately no royalty but weavers living in Bethnal Green. probably very poor....but I am immensely proud of them...I dont know why exactly I just am...:0) Eileen
--- In , Johanne Tournier <jltournier60@...> wrote:
>
>
> http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/Richard-III-Leicestershire-villager-Hilary/story-17018949-detail/story.html
>
>
> Richard III: Leicestershire villager Hilary thrilled to find she's descendant of king
>
>
> Trusted article source icon
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> Tuesday, October 02, 2012
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> Leicester Mercury <http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/people/Leicester%20Mercury/profile.html>
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> <http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/Richard-III-Leicestershire-villager-Hilary/story-17018949-detail/story.html> Follow
>
> Like many of us, Hilary Wood-Wilson was gripped as the tale of the search for Richard III's remains unfolded.
>
> But the story became rather more exciting for the 68-year-old when she was told it was more than likely the Plantagenet king was an ancestor.
>
> â¬9Hilary Wood-Wilson
>
> Hilary Wood-Wilson
>
> Hilary has been told that Richard III, who was born 560 years ago today, was an uncle of 17 generations.
>
> She is one of several people who are possible descendants of the king.
>
> Hilary, who lives in Houghton on the Hill with husband Gerry, said it was an exciting discovery.
>
> "My cousin lives in Edinburgh and she was following all the stories about Richard III as she's very interested in it all," Hilary said.
>
> "She'd done some research before and thought there might be a family connection, but that didn't go any further at the time.
>
> "When the search for his body started, she started looking into it again.
>
> "When she found out, she sent us a long e-mail telling us how excited she was about it all, because, of course, she's related as well.
>
> "I'd been following the story with interest, not knowing royalty was a distant relation â¬" if you can call it that, it is a long way down the line.
>
> "It's all very exciting. It's just a pity he's been associated with so many horrors, but I do know he was a very brave soldier and that's nice to know."
>
> Archaeologists uncovered human remains at the Greyfriars car park, in the city centre, in August.
>
> Although the identity of the remains has not yet been confirmed, there is strong evidence to suggest they belong to Richard III.
>
> DNA from the bones is being compared with that of Canadian-born furniture maker Michael Ibsen, who was identified as being a direct descendant of the female line in 2006.
>
> Hilary said she would also be happy to help if researchers needed any more descendants.
>
> "It will be interesting to see whether the remains really are Richard III, but all the evidence seems to point to it," she said.
>
> "I think Mr Ibsen is far more direct than me. I am probably too far removed but I would be happy to help if I can be of any use."
>
> Gerry said: "I think it's all quite interesting. It will be fantastic if the DNA test proves it really is him."
>
> DNA testing of the Greyfriars skeleton is expected to take up to 12 weeks.
>
> Philippa Langley, of the Richard III Society, said: "We have been contacted by quite a few people who may be descendants.
>
> "It is not that out of the ordinary, so far down the line.
>
> "I think it's lovely that people are going that far back in this day and age.
>
> "It's been such an exciting project and all of this adds to the interest it has generated."
>
>
>
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Johanne L. Tournier
>
>
>
> Email - jltournier60@...
>
> or jltournier@...
>
>
>
> "With God, all things are possible."
>
> - Jesus of Nazareth
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Yes..It gets much harder pre the late 1700s.....Im taking a breather at the moment from it...But it really is the greatest fun...everyone should do it really...eileen
--- In , Judy Thomson <judygerard.thomson@...> wrote:
>
> For our (Ricardian) purposes, parish registers are relatively recent - 1530s, if I recall aright. And we've tracked my mother's ancestors back to the 1700s, but prior to that, the info gets very hazy. How I wish DNA testing were less costly; I'd love to find out if my husband and I are distantly related, for one (there's a slight possibility).
>
> Judy
>  
> Loyaulte me lie
>
>
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> From: EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@...>
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2012 7:46 AM
> Subject: Re: Oct. 2, 2012 - Hilary Wood-Wilson poss descendant?
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> I had the greatest fun tracing my family tree back..well one branch of it...Its so much easier now that a lot of the parish records are on line. I have gone as far back as the 1770s...Unfortunately no royalty but weavers living in Bethnal Green. probably very poor....but I am immensely proud of them...I dont know why exactly I just am...:0) Eileen
> --- In , Johanne Tournier <jltournier60@> wrote:
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> > http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/Richard-III-Leicestershire-villager-Hilary/story-17018949-detail/story.html
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> >
> > Richard III: Leicestershire villager Hilary thrilled to find she's descendant of king
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> > Tuesday, October 02, 2012
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> > Like many of us, Hilary Wood-Wilson was gripped as the tale of the search for Richard III's remains unfolded.
> >
> > But the story became rather more exciting for the 68-year-old when she was told it was more than likely the Plantagenet king was an ancestor.
> >
> > ​Hilary Wood-Wilson
> >
> > Hilary Wood-Wilson
> >
> > Hilary has been told that Richard III, who was born 560 years ago today, was an uncle of 17 generations.
> >
> > She is one of several people who are possible descendants of the king.
> >
> > Hilary, who lives in Houghton on the Hill with husband Gerry, said it was an exciting discovery.
> >
> > "My cousin lives in Edinburgh and she was following all the stories about Richard III as she's very interested in it all," Hilary said.
> >
> > "She'd done some research before and thought there might be a family connection, but that didn't go any further at the time.
> >
> > "When the search for his body started, she started looking into it again.
> >
> > "When she found out, she sent us a long e-mail telling us how excited she was about it all, because, of course, she's related as well.
> >
> > "I'd been following the story with interest, not knowing royalty was a distant relation â€" if you can call it that, it is a long way down the line.
> >
> > "It's all very exciting. It's just a pity he's been associated with so many horrors, but I do know he was a very brave soldier and that's nice to know."
> >
> > Archaeologists uncovered human remains at the Greyfriars car park, in the city centre, in August.
> >
> > Although the identity of the remains has not yet been confirmed, there is strong evidence to suggest they belong to Richard III.
> >
> > DNA from the bones is being compared with that of Canadian-born furniture maker Michael Ibsen, who was identified as being a direct descendant of the female line in 2006.
> >
> > Hilary said she would also be happy to help if researchers needed any more descendants.
> >
> > "It will be interesting to see whether the remains really are Richard III, but all the evidence seems to point to it," she said.
> >
> > "I think Mr Ibsen is far more direct than me. I am probably too far removed but I would be happy to help if I can be of any use."
> >
> > Gerry said: "I think it's all quite interesting. It will be fantastic if the DNA test proves it really is him."
> >
> > DNA testing of the Greyfriars skeleton is expected to take up to 12 weeks.
> >
> > Philippa Langley, of the Richard III Society, said: "We have been contacted by quite a few people who may be descendants.
> >
> > "It is not that out of the ordinary, so far down the line.
> >
> > "I think it's lovely that people are going that far back in this day and age.
> >
> > "It's been such an exciting project and all of this adds to the interest it has generated."
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> > Johanne L. Tournier
> >
> >
> >
> > Email - jltournier60@
> >
> > or jltournier@
> >
> >
> >
> > "With God, all things are possible."
> >
> > - Jesus of Nazareth
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Good article but .......... COLLATERAL descendants, please. She must be either of the Clarence or an Exeter lines - if the latter, she could be a mtDNA back-up.

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Subject: Oct. 2, 2012 - Hilary Wood-Wilson poss descendant?




http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/Richard-III-Leicestershire-villager-Hilary/story-17018949-detail/story.html

Richard III: Leicestershire villager Hilary thrilled to find she's descendant of king

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Tuesday, October 02, 2012

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Like many of us, Hilary Wood-Wilson was gripped as the tale of the search for Richard III's remains unfolded.

But the story became rather more exciting for the 68-year-old when she was told it was more than likely the Plantagenet king was an ancestor.

Hilary Wood-Wilson

Hilary Wood-Wilson

Hilary has been told that Richard III, who was born 560 years ago today, was an uncle of 17 generations.

She is one of several people who are possible descendants of the king.

Hilary, who lives in Houghton on the Hill with husband Gerry, said it was an exciting discovery.

"My cousin lives in Edinburgh and she was following all the stories about Richard III as she's very interested in it all," Hilary said.

"She'd done some research before and thought there might be a family connection, but that didn't go any further at the time.

"When the search for his body started, she started looking into it again.

"When she found out, she sent us a long e-mail telling us how excited she was about it all, because, of course, she's related as well.

"I'd been following the story with interest, not knowing royalty was a distant relation  if you can call it that, it is a long way down the line.

"It's all very exciting. It's just a pity he's been associated with so many horrors, but I do know he was a very brave soldier and that's nice to know."

Archaeologists uncovered human remains at the Greyfriars car park, in the city centre, in August.

Although the identity of the remains has not yet been confirmed, there is strong evidence to suggest they belong to Richard III.

DNA from the bones is being compared with that of Canadian-born furniture maker Michael Ibsen, who was identified as being a direct descendant of the female line in 2006.

Hilary said she would also be happy to help if researchers needed any more descendants.

"It will be interesting to see whether the remains really are Richard III, but all the evidence seems to point to it," she said.

"I think Mr Ibsen is far more direct than me. I am probably too far removed but I would be happy to help if I can be of any use."

Gerry said: "I think it's all quite interesting. It will be fantastic if the DNA test proves it really is him."

DNA testing of the Greyfriars skeleton is expected to take up to 12 weeks.

Philippa Langley, of the Richard III Society, said: "We have been contacted by quite a few people who may be descendants.

"It is not that out of the ordinary, so far down the line.

"I think it's lovely that people are going that far back in this day and age.

"It's been such an exciting project and all of this adds to the interest it has generated."

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Johanne L. Tournier

Email - jltournier60@...

or jltournier@...

"With God, all things are possible."

- Jesus of Nazareth

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Most of us don't have royal or even noble ancestors. And some of the royalty weren't really royal, and some of the nobles weren't very noble. But, hey, I have several generations of weavers in my family as well, on the Tournier side  and before that, my great-great-grandfather Tournier was a woodcutter. So I'm darn sure they were French peasants. Still an interesting bunch  my grandfather had the adventurous spirit and fortitude to bring his family to Saskatchewan in the early decades of the 20th. century. I think they do deserve to be celebrated! J



Unfortunately I haven't been able to do a really good search on my family roots in France, Scandinavia, and the British Isles. I hope at some point I will be able to  what I do know of them is quite interesting. My great-great-grandfather on the Swedish side was a hussar in a Swedish regiment, and we have some early photographs of the Swedish troops on maneuvers, dating from the 1880's, I believe. Turns out one of his children went into photography, and his firm in Angelholm, Sweden, was named by appointment to the Swedish King. OK, they weren't noble, but it would have been quite an honour in any case. J



Johanne

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Johanne L. Tournier



Email - jltournier60@...

or jltournier@...



"With God, all things are possible."

- Jesus of Nazareth

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of EileenB
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 9:46 AM
To:
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I had the greatest fun tracing my family tree back..well one branch of it...Its so much easier now that a lot of the parish records are on line. I have gone as far back as the 1770s...Unfortunately no royalty but weavers living in Bethnal Green. probably very poor....but I am immensely proud of them...I dont know why exactly I just am...:0) Eileen

Yes, I know, I cringed when I saw that descendant  I don't think so! But thought it was worth forwarding in any case.



BTW, I would recommend following the link to the article online, because there's a great picture of Ms. Wood-Wilson holding the print copy of the Leiceistershire Mercury with a cover photo of Our Man and the headline The Return of the King. Does anyone have a copy of the article??



Johanne



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Johanne L. Tournier



Email - jltournier60@...

or jltournier@...



"With God, all things are possible."

- Jesus of Nazareth

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~







From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of Stephen Lark
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 10:19 AM
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Good article but .......... COLLATERAL descendants, please. She must be either of the Clarence or an Exeter lines - if the latter, she could be a mtDNA back-up.

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Richard III: Leicestershire villager Hilary thrilled to find she's descendant of king

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Like many of us, Hilary Wood-Wilson was gripped as the tale of the search for Richard III's remains unfolded.



[Johanne Tournier] <snip>

I've only got the Yorkist chronicler Robert Bale in my family! Though I didn't know that when I became a rampant Yorkist! :-)
Paul


On 2 Oct 2012, at 13:46, EileenB wrote:

> I had the greatest fun tracing my family tree back..well one branch of it...Its so much easier now that a lot of the parish records are on line. I have gone as far back as the 1770s...Unfortunately no royalty but weavers living in Bethnal Green. probably very poor....but I am immensely proud of them...I dont know why exactly I just am...:0) Eileen
> --- In , Johanne Tournier <jltournier60@...> wrote:
>>
>>
>> http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/Richard-III-Leicestershire-villager-Hilary/story-17018949-detail/story.html
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>>
>> Richard III: Leicestershire villager Hilary thrilled to find she's descendant of king
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>> Trusted article source icon
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>> Tuesday, October 02, 2012
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>> Leicester Mercury <http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/people/Leicester%20Mercury/profile.html>
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>>
>> Like many of us, Hilary Wood-Wilson was gripped as the tale of the search for Richard III's remains unfolded.
>>
>> But the story became rather more exciting for the 68-year-old when she was told it was more than likely the Plantagenet king was an ancestor.
>>
>> â¬9Hilary Wood-Wilson
>>
>> Hilary Wood-Wilson
>>
>> Hilary has been told that Richard III, who was born 560 years ago today, was an uncle of 17 generations.
>>
>> She is one of several people who are possible descendants of the king.
>>
>> Hilary, who lives in Houghton on the Hill with husband Gerry, said it was an exciting discovery.
>>
>> "My cousin lives in Edinburgh and she was following all the stories about Richard III as she's very interested in it all," Hilary said.
>>
>> "She'd done some research before and thought there might be a family connection, but that didn't go any further at the time.
>>
>> "When the search for his body started, she started looking into it again.
>>
>> "When she found out, she sent us a long e-mail telling us how excited she was about it all, because, of course, she's related as well.
>>
>> "I'd been following the story with interest, not knowing royalty was a distant relation â¬" if you can call it that, it is a long way down the line.
>>
>> "It's all very exciting. It's just a pity he's been associated with so many horrors, but I do know he was a very brave soldier and that's nice to know."
>>
>> Archaeologists uncovered human remains at the Greyfriars car park, in the city centre, in August.
>>
>> Although the identity of the remains has not yet been confirmed, there is strong evidence to suggest they belong to Richard III.
>>
>> DNA from the bones is being compared with that of Canadian-born furniture maker Michael Ibsen, who was identified as being a direct descendant of the female line in 2006.
>>
>> Hilary said she would also be happy to help if researchers needed any more descendants.
>>
>> "It will be interesting to see whether the remains really are Richard III, but all the evidence seems to point to it," she said.
>>
>> "I think Mr Ibsen is far more direct than me. I am probably too far removed but I would be happy to help if I can be of any use."
>>
>> Gerry said: "I think it's all quite interesting. It will be fantastic if the DNA test proves it really is him."
>>
>> DNA testing of the Greyfriars skeleton is expected to take up to 12 weeks.
>>
>> Philippa Langley, of the Richard III Society, said: "We have been contacted by quite a few people who may be descendants.
>>
>> "It is not that out of the ordinary, so far down the line.
>>
>> "I think it's lovely that people are going that far back in this day and age.
>>
>> "It's been such an exciting project and all of this adds to the interest it has generated."
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>> Johanne L. Tournier
>>
>>
>>
>> Email - jltournier60@...
>>
>> or jltournier@...
>>
>>
>>
>> "With God, all things are possible."
>>
>> - Jesus of Nazareth
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Richard Liveth Yet!

I remember reading somewhere that we are all descended from Genghis Khan!
Paul


On 2 Oct 2012, at 14:21, Johanne Tournier wrote:

> Most of us don't have royal or even noble ancestors. And some of the royalty weren't really royal, and some of the nobles weren't very noble. But, hey, I have several generations of weavers in my family as well, on the Tournier side  and before that, my great-great-grandfather Tournier was a woodcutter. So I'm darn sure they were French peasants. Still an interesting bunch  my grandfather had the adventurous spirit and fortitude to bring his family to Saskatchewan in the early decades of the 20th. century. I think they do deserve to be celebrated! J
>
>
>
> Unfortunately I haven't been able to do a really good search on my family roots in France, Scandinavia, and the British Isles. I hope at some point I will be able to  what I do know of them is quite interesting. My great-great-grandfather on the Swedish side was a hussar in a Swedish regiment, and we have some early photographs of the Swedish troops on maneuvers, dating from the 1880's, I believe. Turns out one of his children went into photography, and his firm in Angelholm, Sweden, was named by appointment to the Swedish King. OK, they weren't noble, but it would have been quite an honour in any case. J
>
>
>
> Johanne
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Johanne L. Tournier
>
>
>
> Email - jltournier60@...
>
> or jltournier@...
>
>
>
> "With God, all things are possible."
>
> - Jesus of Nazareth
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of EileenB
> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 9:46 AM
> To:
> Subject: Re: Oct. 2, 2012 - Hilary Wood-Wilson poss descendant?
>
>
>
>
>
> I had the greatest fun tracing my family tree back..well one branch of it...Its so much easier now that a lot of the parish records are on line. I have gone as far back as the 1770s...Unfortunately no royalty but weavers living in Bethnal Green. probably very poor....but I am immensely proud of them...I dont know why exactly I just am...:0) Eileen
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Richard Liveth Yet!

......and John of Gaunt.



________________________________
From: Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@...>
To:
Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2012 10:47:39 AM
Subject: Re: OT - ancestors (was RE: Oct. 2, 2012 - Hilary Wood-Wilson poss descendant?)

I remember reading somewhere that we are all descended from Genghis Khan!
Paul


On 2 Oct 2012, at 14:21, Johanne Tournier wrote:

> Most of us don't have royal or even noble ancestors. And some of the royalty weren't really royal, and some of the nobles weren't very noble. But, hey, I have several generations of weavers in my family as well, on the Tournier side  and before that, my great-great-grandfather Tournier was a woodcutter. So I'm darn sure they were French peasants. Still an interesting bunch  my grandfather had the adventurous spirit and fortitude to bring his family to Saskatchewan in the early decades of the 20th. century. I think they do deserve to be celebrated! J
>
>
>
> Unfortunately I haven't been able to do a really good search on my family roots in France, Scandinavia, and the British Isles. I hope at some point I will be able to  what I do know of them is quite interesting. My great-great-grandfather on the Swedish side was a hussar in a Swedish regiment, and we have some early photographs of the Swedish troops on maneuvers, dating from the 1880's, I believe. Turns out one of his children went into photography, and his firm in Angelholm, Sweden, was named by appointment to the Swedish King. OK, they weren't noble, but it would have been quite an honour in any case. J
>
>
>
> Johanne
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Johanne L. Tournier
>
>
>
> Email - jltournier60@...
>
> or jltournier@...
>
>
>
> "With God, all things are possible."
>
>                              - Jesus of Nazareth
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of EileenB
> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 9:46 AM
> To:
> Subject: Re: Oct. 2, 2012 - Hilary Wood-Wilson poss descendant?
>
>
>
>
>
> I had the greatest fun tracing my family tree back..well one branch of it...Its so much easier now that a lot of the parish records are on line. I have gone as far back as the 1770s...Unfortunately no royalty but weavers living in Bethnal Green. probably very poor....but I am immensely proud of them...I dont know why exactly I just am...:0) Eileen
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Richard Liveth Yet!





------------------------------------

Yahoo! Groups Links

I did know one lady who could trace her family tree back to Fat Harry's Fool. I believe his name was Will but cannot recall his surname....Crikey what a job...still someone had to do it...! Eileen

--- In , Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@...> wrote:
>
> I've only got the Yorkist chronicler Robert Bale in my family! Though I didn't know that when I became a rampant Yorkist! :-)
> Paul
>
>
> On 2 Oct 2012, at 13:46, EileenB wrote:
>
> > I had the greatest fun tracing my family tree back..well one branch of it...Its so much easier now that a lot of the parish records are on line. I have gone as far back as the 1770s...Unfortunately no royalty but weavers living in Bethnal Green. probably very poor....but I am immensely proud of them...I dont know why exactly I just am...:0) Eileen
> > --- In , Johanne Tournier <jltournier60@> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/Richard-III-Leicestershire-villager-Hilary/story-17018949-detail/story.html
> >>
> >>
> >> Richard III: Leicestershire villager Hilary thrilled to find she's descendant of king
> >>
> >>
> >> Trusted article source icon
> >>
> >> Tuesday, October 02, 2012
> >>
> >> <http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/people/Leicester%20Mercury/profile.html> Profile image for Leicester Mercury
> >>
> >> Leicester Mercury <http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/people/Leicester%20Mercury/profile.html>
> >>
> >> <http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/Richard-III-Leicestershire-villager-Hilary/story-17018949-detail/story.html> Follow
> >>
> >> Like many of us, Hilary Wood-Wilson was gripped as the tale of the search for Richard III's remains unfolded.
> >>
> >> But the story became rather more exciting for the 68-year-old when she was told it was more than likely the Plantagenet king was an ancestor.
> >>
> >> ​Hilary Wood-Wilson
> >>
> >> Hilary Wood-Wilson
> >>
> >> Hilary has been told that Richard III, who was born 560 years ago today, was an uncle of 17 generations.
> >>
> >> She is one of several people who are possible descendants of the king.
> >>
> >> Hilary, who lives in Houghton on the Hill with husband Gerry, said it was an exciting discovery.
> >>
> >> "My cousin lives in Edinburgh and she was following all the stories about Richard III as she's very interested in it all," Hilary said.
> >>
> >> "She'd done some research before and thought there might be a family connection, but that didn't go any further at the time.
> >>
> >> "When the search for his body started, she started looking into it again.
> >>
> >> "When she found out, she sent us a long e-mail telling us how excited she was about it all, because, of course, she's related as well.
> >>
> >> "I'd been following the story with interest, not knowing royalty was a distant relation â€" if you can call it that, it is a long way down the line.
> >>
> >> "It's all very exciting. It's just a pity he's been associated with so many horrors, but I do know he was a very brave soldier and that's nice to know."
> >>
> >> Archaeologists uncovered human remains at the Greyfriars car park, in the city centre, in August.
> >>
> >> Although the identity of the remains has not yet been confirmed, there is strong evidence to suggest they belong to Richard III.
> >>
> >> DNA from the bones is being compared with that of Canadian-born furniture maker Michael Ibsen, who was identified as being a direct descendant of the female line in 2006.
> >>
> >> Hilary said she would also be happy to help if researchers needed any more descendants.
> >>
> >> "It will be interesting to see whether the remains really are Richard III, but all the evidence seems to point to it," she said.
> >>
> >> "I think Mr Ibsen is far more direct than me. I am probably too far removed but I would be happy to help if I can be of any use."
> >>
> >> Gerry said: "I think it's all quite interesting. It will be fantastic if the DNA test proves it really is him."
> >>
> >> DNA testing of the Greyfriars skeleton is expected to take up to 12 weeks.
> >>
> >> Philippa Langley, of the Richard III Society, said: "We have been contacted by quite a few people who may be descendants.
> >>
> >> "It is not that out of the ordinary, so far down the line.
> >>
> >> "I think it's lovely that people are going that far back in this day and age.
> >>
> >> "It's been such an exciting project and all of this adds to the interest it has generated."
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >>
> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >>
> >> Johanne L. Tournier
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Email - jltournier60@
> >>
> >> or jltournier@
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "With God, all things are possible."
> >>
> >> - Jesus of Nazareth
> >>
> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >>
> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
> Richard Liveth Yet!
>

I believe my mother-in-law is.....:0/ Eileen

--- In , Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@...> wrote:
>
> I remember reading somewhere that we are all descended from Genghis Khan!
> Paul
>
>
> On 2 Oct 2012, at 14:21, Johanne Tournier wrote:
>
> > Most of us don't have royal or even noble ancestors. And some of the royalty weren't really "royal," and some of the nobles weren't very "noble." But, hey, I have several generations of weavers in my family as well, on the Tournier side – and before that, my great-great-grandfather Tournier was a woodcutter. So I'm darn sure they were French peasants. Still an interesting bunch – my grandfather had the adventurous spirit and fortitude to bring his family to Saskatchewan in the early decades of the 20th. century. I think they do deserve to be celebrated! J
> >
> >
> >
> > Unfortunately I haven't been able to do a really good search on my family roots in France, Scandinavia, and the British Isles. I hope at some point I will be able to – what I do know of them is quite interesting. My great-great-grandfather on the Swedish side was a hussar in a Swedish regiment, and we have some early photographs of the Swedish troops on maneuvers, dating from the 1880's, I believe. Turns out one of his children went into photography, and his firm in Angelholm, Sweden, was named "by appointment to the Swedish King." OK, they weren't noble, but it would have been quite an honour in any case. J
> >
> >
> >
> > Johanne
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> > Johanne L. Tournier
> >
> >
> >
> > Email - jltournier60@...
> >
> > or jltournier@...
> >
> >
> >
> > "With God, all things are possible."
> >
> > - Jesus of Nazareth
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of EileenB
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 9:46 AM
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Oct. 2, 2012 - Hilary Wood-Wilson poss descendant?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I had the greatest fun tracing my family tree back..well one branch of it...Its so much easier now that a lot of the parish records are on line. I have gone as far back as the 1770s...Unfortunately no royalty but weavers living in Bethnal Green. probably very poor....but I am immensely proud of them...I dont know why exactly I just am...:0) Eileen
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
> Richard Liveth Yet!
>

Will Summers.

To:
From: cherryripe.eileenb@...
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2012 15:55:12 +0000
Subject: Re: Oct. 2, 2012 - Hilary Wood-Wilson poss descendant?


























I did know one lady who could trace her family tree back to Fat Harry's Fool. I believe his name was Will but cannot recall his surname....Crikey what a job...still someone had to do it...! Eileen



--- In , Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@...> wrote:

>

> I've only got the Yorkist chronicler Robert Bale in my family! Though I didn't know that when I became a rampant Yorkist! :-)

> Paul

>

>

> On 2 Oct 2012, at 13:46, EileenB wrote:

>

> > I had the greatest fun tracing my family tree back..well one branch of it...Its so much easier now that a lot of the parish records are on line. I have gone as far back as the 1770s...Unfortunately no royalty but weavers living in Bethnal Green. probably very poor....but I am immensely proud of them...I dont know why exactly I just am...:0) Eileen

> > --- In , Johanne Tournier <jltournier60@> wrote:

> >>

> >>

> >> http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/Richard-III-Leicestershire-villager-Hilary/story-17018949-detail/story.html

> >>

> >>

> >> Richard III: Leicestershire villager Hilary thrilled to find she's descendant of king

> >>

> >>

> >> Trusted article source icon

> >>

> >> Tuesday, October 02, 2012

> >>

> >> <http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/people/Leicester%20Mercury/profile.html> Profile image for Leicester Mercury

> >>

> >> Leicester Mercury <http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/people/Leicester%20Mercury/profile.html>

> >>

> >> <http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/Richard-III-Leicestershire-villager-Hilary/story-17018949-detail/story.html> Follow

> >>

> >> Like many of us, Hilary Wood-Wilson was gripped as the tale of the search for Richard III's remains unfolded.

> >>

> >> But the story became rather more exciting for the 68-year-old when she was told it was more than likely the Plantagenet king was an ancestor.

> >>

> >> ýýýHilary Wood-Wilson

> >>

> >> Hilary Wood-Wilson

> >>

> >> Hilary has been told that Richard III, who was born 560 years ago today, was an uncle of 17 generations.

> >>

> >> She is one of several people who are possible descendants of the king.

> >>

> >> Hilary, who lives in Houghton on the Hill with husband Gerry, said it was an exciting discovery.

> >>

> >> "My cousin lives in Edinburgh and she was following all the stories about Richard III as she's very interested in it all," Hilary said.

> >>

> >> "She'd done some research before and thought there might be a family connection, but that didn't go any further at the time.

> >>

> >> "When the search for his body started, she started looking into it again.

> >>

> >> "When she found out, she sent us a long e-mail telling us how excited she was about it all, because, of course, she's related as well.

> >>

> >> "I'd been following the story with interest, not knowing royalty was a distant relation ýý" if you can call it that, it is a long way down the line.

> >>

> >> "It's all very exciting. It's just a pity he's been associated with so many horrors, but I do know he was a very brave soldier and that's nice to know."

> >>

> >> Archaeologists uncovered human remains at the Greyfriars car park, in the city centre, in August.

> >>

> >> Although the identity of the remains has not yet been confirmed, there is strong evidence to suggest they belong to Richard III.

> >>

> >> DNA from the bones is being compared with that of Canadian-born furniture maker Michael Ibsen, who was identified as being a direct descendant of the female line in 2006.

> >>

> >> Hilary said she would also be happy to help if researchers needed any more descendants.

> >>

> >> "It will be interesting to see whether the remains really are Richard III, but all the evidence seems to point to it," she said.

> >>

> >> "I think Mr Ibsen is far more direct than me. I am probably too far removed but I would be happy to help if I can be of any use."

> >>

> >> Gerry said: "I think it's all quite interesting. It will be fantastic if the DNA test proves it really is him."

> >>

> >> DNA testing of the Greyfriars skeleton is expected to take up to 12 weeks.

> >>

> >> Philippa Langley, of the Richard III Society, said: "We have been contacted by quite a few people who may be descendants.

> >>

> >> "It is not that out of the ordinary, so far down the line.

> >>

> >> "I think it's lovely that people are going that far back in this day and age.

> >>

> >> "It's been such an exciting project and all of this adds to the interest it has generated."

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> >>

> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> >>

> >> Johanne L. Tournier

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> Email - jltournier60@

> >>

> >> or jltournier@

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> "With God, all things are possible."

> >>

> >> - Jesus of Nazareth

> >>

> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> >>

> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> > Yahoo! Groups Links

> >

> >

> >

>

> Richard Liveth Yet!

>

there is a good chance of it..if you have eastern european bloodlines. khan and his sons were very prolific. they had large harems and many conquest/liasons. e4 was such a beginner when compared to the khan sexcapdes.

--- On Tue, 10/2/12, Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@...> wrote:

From: Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@...>
Subject: Re: OT - ancestors (was RE: Oct. 2, 2012 - Hilary Wood-Wilson poss descendant?)
To:
Received: Tuesday, October 2, 2012, 10:47 AM

I remember reading somewhere that we are all descended from Genghis Khan!
Paul


On 2 Oct 2012, at 14:21, Johanne Tournier wrote:

> Most of us don't have royal or even noble ancestors. And some of the royalty weren't really royal, and some of the nobles weren't very noble. But, hey, I have several generations of weavers in my family as well, on the Tournier side  and before that, my great-great-grandfather Tournier was a woodcutter. So I'm darn sure they were French peasants. Still an interesting bunch  my grandfather had the adventurous spirit and fortitude to bring his family to Saskatchewan in the early decades of the 20th. century. I think they do deserve to be celebrated! J
>
>
>
> Unfortunately I haven't been able to do a really good search on my family roots in France, Scandinavia, and the British Isles. I hope at some point I will be able to  what I do know of them is quite interesting. My great-great-grandfather on the Swedish side was a hussar in a Swedish regiment, and we have some early photographs of the Swedish troops on maneuvers, dating from the 1880's, I believe. Turns out one of his children went into photography, and his firm in Angelholm, Sweden, was named by appointment to the Swedish King. OK, they weren't noble, but it would have been quite an honour in any case. J
>
>
>
> Johanne
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Johanne L. Tournier
>
>
>
> Email - jltournier60@...
>
> or jltournier@...
>
>
>
> "With God, all things are possible."
>
>                              - Jesus of Nazareth
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of EileenB
> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 9:46 AM
> To:
> Subject: Re: Oct. 2, 2012 - Hilary Wood-Wilson poss descendant?
>
>
>
>
>
> I had the greatest fun tracing my family tree back..well one branch of it...Its so much easier now that a lot of the parish records are on line. I have gone as far back as the 1770s...Unfortunately no royalty but weavers living in Bethnal Green. probably very poor....but I am immensely proud of them...I dont know why exactly I just am...:0) Eileen
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Richard Liveth Yet!





------------------------------------

Yahoo! Groups Links

Thanks Jacqueline...He is depicted in a painting with his boss....aka The Fat One...:0)

--- In , Jacqueline Harvey <jacqharvey@...> wrote:
>
> Will Summers.
>
> To:
> From: cherryripe.eileenb@...
> Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2012 15:55:12 +0000
> Subject: Re: Oct. 2, 2012 - Hilary Wood-Wilson poss descendant?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I did know one lady who could trace her family tree back to Fat Harry's Fool. I believe his name was Will but cannot recall his surname....Crikey what a job...still someone had to do it...! Eileen
>
>
>
> --- In , Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > I've only got the Yorkist chronicler Robert Bale in my family! Though I didn't know that when I became a rampant Yorkist! :-)
>
> > Paul
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > On 2 Oct 2012, at 13:46, EileenB wrote:
>
> >
>
> > > I had the greatest fun tracing my family tree back..well one branch of it...Its so much easier now that a lot of the parish records are on line. I have gone as far back as the 1770s...Unfortunately no royalty but weavers living in Bethnal Green. probably very poor....but I am immensely proud of them...I dont know why exactly I just am...:0) Eileen
>
> > > --- In , Johanne Tournier <jltournier60@> wrote:
>
> > >>
>
> > >>
>
> > >> http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/Richard-III-Leicestershire-villager-Hilary/story-17018949-detail/story.html
>
> > >>
>
> > >>
>
> > >> Richard III: Leicestershire villager Hilary thrilled to find she's descendant of king
>
> > >>
>
> > >>
>
> > >> Trusted article source icon
>
> > >>
>
> > >> Tuesday, October 02, 2012
>
> > >>
>
> > >> <http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/people/Leicester%20Mercury/profile.html> Profile image for Leicester Mercury
>
> > >>
>
> > >> Leicester Mercury <http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/people/Leicester%20Mercury/profile.html>
>
> > >>
>
> > >> <http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/Richard-III-Leicestershire-villager-Hilary/story-17018949-detail/story.html> Follow
>
> > >>
>
> > >> Like many of us, Hilary Wood-Wilson was gripped as the tale of the search for Richard III's remains unfolded.
>
> > >>
>
> > >> But the story became rather more exciting for the 68-year-old when she was told it was more than likely the Plantagenet king was an ancestor.
>
> > >>
>
> > >> ​Hilary Wood-Wilson
>
> > >>
>
> > >> Hilary Wood-Wilson
>
> > >>
>
> > >> Hilary has been told that Richard III, who was born 560 years ago today, was an uncle of 17 generations.
>
> > >>
>
> > >> She is one of several people who are possible descendants of the king.
>
> > >>
>
> > >> Hilary, who lives in Houghton on the Hill with husband Gerry, said it was an exciting discovery.
>
> > >>
>
> > >> "My cousin lives in Edinburgh and she was following all the stories about Richard III as she's very interested in it all," Hilary said.
>
> > >>
>
> > >> "She'd done some research before and thought there might be a family connection, but that didn't go any further at the time.
>
> > >>
>
> > >> "When the search for his body started, she started looking into it again.
>
> > >>
>
> > >> "When she found out, she sent us a long e-mail telling us how excited she was about it all, because, of course, she's related as well.
>
> > >>
>
> > >> "I'd been following the story with interest, not knowing royalty was a distant relation â€" if you can call it that, it is a long way down the line.
>
> > >>
>
> > >> "It's all very exciting. It's just a pity he's been associated with so many horrors, but I do know he was a very brave soldier and that's nice to know."
>
> > >>
>
> > >> Archaeologists uncovered human remains at the Greyfriars car park, in the city centre, in August.
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> > >>
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> > >> Although the identity of the remains has not yet been confirmed, there is strong evidence to suggest they belong to Richard III.
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> > >>
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> > >> DNA from the bones is being compared with that of Canadian-born furniture maker Michael Ibsen, who was identified as being a direct descendant of the female line in 2006.
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> > >> Hilary said she would also be happy to help if researchers needed any more descendants.
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> > >>
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> > >> "It will be interesting to see whether the remains really are Richard III, but all the evidence seems to point to it," she said.
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> > >>
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> > >> "I think Mr Ibsen is far more direct than me. I am probably too far removed but I would be happy to help if I can be of any use."
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> > >>
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> > >> Gerry said: "I think it's all quite interesting. It will be fantastic if the DNA test proves it really is him."
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> > >>
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> > >> DNA testing of the Greyfriars skeleton is expected to take up to 12 weeks.
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> > >>
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> > >> Philippa Langley, of the Richard III Society, said: "We have been contacted by quite a few people who may be descendants.
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> > >>
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> > >> "It is not that out of the ordinary, so far down the line.
>
> > >>
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> > >> "I think it's lovely that people are going that far back in this day and age.
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> > >>
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> > >> "It's been such an exciting project and all of this adds to the interest it has generated."
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> > >> Johanne L. Tournier
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> > >> Email - jltournier60@
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> > >> or jltournier@
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> > >> "With God, all things are possible."
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> > >> - Jesus of Nazareth
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> > >
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> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
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> > >
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> > >
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> > Richard Liveth Yet!
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It's fascinating - and totally addictive.  I've been doing it off and on for around 15 years and was fortunate to discover a 5th cousin in Ohio - courtesy of the internet -  who had done all the research on my Welsh grandmother's family.  She was a Whittington and the family story was always that they moved to Wales from Gloucestershire and were connected to Dick.  Well he came from Pauntley in Gloucestershire and although we only (only!) got back to the 1640s in Wales, I rather like the idea that Dick's great nephew or cousin or whatever moved to Wales and started a new branch of the family.  As long as he didn't go there because Henry Tudor sent him ... I must admit I really would like to know which side all of my ancestors were on during the Wars of the Roses but suspect it was the wrong one, in my eyes that is.
 
I am however amazed by my Scottish grandmother's family who lived in abject poverty in Edinburgh's old town and I found it a very emotional journey discovering Granny's siblings who I hadn't known existed and who all died young. 


________________________________
From: b.eileen25 <cherryripe.eileenb@...>
To:
Sent: Tuesday, 2 October 2012, 14:13
Subject: Re: Oct. 2, 2012 - Hilary Wood-Wilson poss descendant?

 

Yes..It gets much harder pre the late 1700s.....Im taking a breather at the moment from it...But it really is the greatest fun...everyone should do it really...eileen
--- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, Judy Thomson <judygerard.thomson@...> wrote:
>
> For our (Ricardian) purposes, parish registers are relatively recent - 1530s, if I recall aright. And we've tracked my mother's ancestors back to the 1700s, but prior to that, the info gets very hazy. How I wish DNA testing were less costly; I'd love to find out if my husband and I are distantly related, for one (there's a slight possibility).
>
> Judy
>  
> Loyaulte me lie
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@...>
> To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2012 7:46 AM
> Subject: Re: Oct. 2, 2012 - Hilary Wood-Wilson poss descendant?
>
>
>  
> I had the greatest fun tracing my family tree back..well one branch of it...Its so much easier now that a lot of the parish records are on line. I have gone as far back as the 1770s...Unfortunately no royalty but weavers living in Bethnal Green. probably very poor....but I am immensely proud of them...I dont know why exactly I just am...:0) Eileen
> --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, Johanne Tournier <jltournier60@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/Richard-III-Leicestershire-villager-Hilary/story-17018949-detail/story.html
> >
> >
> > Richard III: Leicestershire villager Hilary thrilled to find she's descendant of king
> >
> >
> > Trusted article source icon
> >
> > Tuesday, October 02, 2012
> >
> > <http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/people/Leicester%20Mercury/profile.html> Profile image for Leicester Mercury
> >
> > Leicester Mercury <http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/people/Leicester%20Mercury/profile.html>
> >
> > <http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/Richard-III-Leicestershire-villager-Hilary/story-17018949-detail/story.html> Follow
> >
> > Like many of us, Hilary Wood-Wilson was gripped as the tale of the search for Richard III's remains unfolded.
> >
> > But the story became rather more exciting for the 68-year-old when she was told it was more than likely the Plantagenet king was an ancestor.
> >
> > ââ¬â¬¹Hilary Wood-Wilson
> >
> > Hilary Wood-Wilson
> >
> > Hilary has been told that Richard III, who was born 560 years ago today, was an uncle of 17 generations.
> >
> > She is one of several people who are possible descendants of the king.
> >
> > Hilary, who lives in Houghton on the Hill with husband Gerry, said it was an exciting discovery.
> >
> > "My cousin lives in Edinburgh and she was following all the stories about Richard III as she's very interested in it all," Hilary said.
> >
> > "She'd done some research before and thought there might be a family connection, but that didn't go any further at the time.
> >
> > "When the search for his body started, she started looking into it again.
> >
> > "When she found out, she sent us a long e-mail telling us how excited she was about it all, because, of course, she's related as well.
> >
> > "I'd been following the story with interest, not knowing royalty was a distant relation ââ¬" if you can call it that, it is a long way down the line.
> >
> > "It's all very exciting. It's just a pity he's been associated with so many horrors, but I do know he was a very brave soldier and that's nice to know."
> >
> > Archaeologists uncovered human remains at the Greyfriars car park, in the city centre, in August.
> >
> > Although the identity of the remains has not yet been confirmed, there is strong evidence to suggest they belong to Richard III.
> >
> > DNA from the bones is being compared with that of Canadian-born furniture maker Michael Ibsen, who was identified as being a direct descendant of the female line in 2006.
> >
> > Hilary said she would also be happy to help if researchers needed any more descendants.
> >
> > "It will be interesting to see whether the remains really are Richard III, but all the evidence seems to point to it," she said.
> >
> > "I think Mr Ibsen is far more direct than me. I am probably too far removed but I would be happy to help if I can be of any use."
> >
> > Gerry said: "I think it's all quite interesting. It will be fantastic if the DNA test proves it really is him."
> >
> > DNA testing of the Greyfriars skeleton is expected to take up to 12 weeks.
> >
> > Philippa Langley, of the Richard III Society, said: "We have been contacted by quite a few people who may be descendants.
> >
> > "It is not that out of the ordinary, so far down the line.
> >
> > "I think it's lovely that people are going that far back in this day and age.
> >
> > "It's been such an exciting project and all of this adds to the interest it has generated."
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> > Johanne L. Tournier
> >
> >
> >
> > Email - jltournier60@
> >
> > or jltournier@
> >
> >
> >
> > "With God, all things are possible."
> >
> > - Jesus of Nazareth
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Now that DID make me laugh!



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From: EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@...>
To:
Sent: Tuesday, 2 October 2012, 16:56
Subject: Re: OT - ancestors (was RE: Oct. 2, 2012 - Hilary Wood-Wilson poss descendant?)

 
I believe my mother-in-law is.....:0/ Eileen

--- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@...> wrote:
>
> I remember reading somewhere that we are all descended from Genghis Khan!
> Paul
>
>
> On 2 Oct 2012, at 14:21, Johanne Tournier wrote:
>
> > Most of us don't have royal or even noble ancestors. And some of the royalty weren't really "royal," and some of the nobles weren't very "noble." But, hey, I have several generations of weavers in my family as well, on the Tournier side  and before that, my great-great-grandfather Tournier was a woodcutter. So I'm darn sure they were French peasants. Still an interesting bunch  my grandfather had the adventurous spirit and fortitude to bring his family to Saskatchewan in the early decades of the 20th. century. I think they do deserve to be celebrated! J
> >
> >
> >
> > Unfortunately I haven't been able to do a really good search on my family roots in France, Scandinavia, and the British Isles. I hope at some point I will be able to  what I do know of them is quite interesting. My great-great-grandfather on the Swedish side was a hussar in a Swedish regiment, and we have some early photographs of the Swedish troops on maneuvers, dating from the 1880's, I believe. Turns out one of his children went into photography, and his firm in Angelholm, Sweden, was named "by appointment to the Swedish King." OK, they weren't noble, but it would have been quite an honour in any case. J
> >
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> >
> > Johanne
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> > Johanne L. Tournier
> >
> >
> >
> > Email - jltournier60@...
> >
> > or jltournier@...
> >
> >
> >
> > "With God, all things are possible."
> >
> > - Jesus of Nazareth
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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> > From: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailto:%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of EileenB
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 9:46 AM
> > To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: Oct. 2, 2012 - Hilary Wood-Wilson poss descendant?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I had the greatest fun tracing my family tree back..well one branch of it...Its so much easier now that a lot of the parish records are on line. I have gone as far back as the 1770s...Unfortunately no royalty but weavers living in Bethnal Green. probably very poor....but I am immensely proud of them...I dont know why exactly I just am...:0) Eileen
> >
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> >
> >
> >
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> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
> Richard Liveth Yet!
>

Dont you find it gut wrenchingly sad when you realise that some (in my case most) of your ancestors have lived in awful poverty. Because mine all lived in Bethnal Green for generations I have been lucky enough to be able to see photos of the areas they lived in and able to trace the streets,some of which are still there, now completely changed...very thought provoking...Eileen

> I am however amazed by my Scottish grandmother's family who lived in abject poverty in Edinburgh's old town and I found it a very emotional journey discovering Granny's siblings who I hadn't known existed and who all died young. 
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: b.eileen25 <cherryripe.eileenb@...>
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, 2 October 2012, 14:13
> Subject: Re: Oct. 2, 2012 - Hilary Wood-Wilson poss descendant?
>
>  
>
> Yes..It gets much harder pre the late 1700s.....Im taking a breather at the moment from it...But it really is the greatest fun...everyone should do it really...eileen
> --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, Judy Thomson <judygerard.thomson@> wrote:
> >
> > For our (Ricardian) purposes, parish registers are relatively recent - 1530s, if I recall aright. And we've tracked my mother's ancestors back to the 1700s, but prior to that, the info gets very hazy. How I wish DNA testing were less costly; I'd love to find out if my husband and I are distantly related, for one (there's a slight possibility).
> >
> > Judy
> >  
> > Loyaulte me lie
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@>
> > To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2012 7:46 AM
> > Subject: Re: Oct. 2, 2012 - Hilary Wood-Wilson poss descendant?
> >
> >
> >  
> > I had the greatest fun tracing my family tree back..well one branch of it...Its so much easier now that a lot of the parish records are on line. I have gone as far back as the 1770s...Unfortunately no royalty but weavers living in Bethnal Green. probably very poor....but I am immensely proud of them...I dont know why exactly I just am...:0) Eileen
> > --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, Johanne Tournier <jltournier60@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/Richard-III-Leicestershire-villager-Hilary/story-17018949-detail/story.html
> > >
> > >
> > > Richard III: Leicestershire villager Hilary thrilled to find she's descendant of king
> > >
> > >
> > > Trusted article source icon
> > >
> > > Tuesday, October 02, 2012
> > >
> > > <http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/people/Leicester%20Mercury/profile.html> Profile image for Leicester Mercury
> > >
> > > Leicester Mercury <http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/people/Leicester%20Mercury/profile.html>
> > >
> > > <http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/Richard-III-Leicestershire-villager-Hilary/story-17018949-detail/story.html> Follow
> > >
> > > Like many of us, Hilary Wood-Wilson was gripped as the tale of the search for Richard III's remains unfolded.
> > >
> > > But the story became rather more exciting for the 68-year-old when she was told it was more than likely the Plantagenet king was an ancestor.
> > >
> > > ​Hilary Wood-Wilson
> > >
> > > Hilary Wood-Wilson
> > >
> > > Hilary has been told that Richard III, who was born 560 years ago today, was an uncle of 17 generations.
> > >
> > > She is one of several people who are possible descendants of the king.
> > >
> > > Hilary, who lives in Houghton on the Hill with husband Gerry, said it was an exciting discovery.
> > >
> > > "My cousin lives in Edinburgh and she was following all the stories about Richard III as she's very interested in it all," Hilary said.
> > >
> > > "She'd done some research before and thought there might be a family connection, but that didn't go any further at the time.
> > >
> > > "When the search for his body started, she started looking into it again.
> > >
> > > "When she found out, she sent us a long e-mail telling us how excited she was about it all, because, of course, she's related as well.
> > >
> > > "I'd been following the story with interest, not knowing royalty was a distant relation â€" if you can call it that, it is a long way down the line.
> > >
> > > "It's all very exciting. It's just a pity he's been associated with so many horrors, but I do know he was a very brave soldier and that's nice to know."
> > >
> > > Archaeologists uncovered human remains at the Greyfriars car park, in the city centre, in August.
> > >
> > > Although the identity of the remains has not yet been confirmed, there is strong evidence to suggest they belong to Richard III.
> > >
> > > DNA from the bones is being compared with that of Canadian-born furniture maker Michael Ibsen, who was identified as being a direct descendant of the female line in 2006.
> > >
> > > Hilary said she would also be happy to help if researchers needed any more descendants.
> > >
> > > "It will be interesting to see whether the remains really are Richard III, but all the evidence seems to point to it," she said.
> > >
> > > "I think Mr Ibsen is far more direct than me. I am probably too far removed but I would be happy to help if I can be of any use."
> > >
> > > Gerry said: "I think it's all quite interesting. It will be fantastic if the DNA test proves it really is him."
> > >
> > > DNA testing of the Greyfriars skeleton is expected to take up to 12 weeks.
> > >
> > > Philippa Langley, of the Richard III Society, said: "We have been contacted by quite a few people who may be descendants.
> > >
> > > "It is not that out of the ordinary, so far down the line.
> > >
> > > "I think it's lovely that people are going that far back in this day and age.
> > >
> > > "It's been such an exciting project and all of this adds to the interest it has generated."
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > >
> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > >
> > > Johanne L. Tournier
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Email - jltournier60@
> > >
> > > or jltournier@
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "With God, all things are possible."
> > >
> > > - Jesus of Nazareth
> > >
> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > >
> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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> > >
> > >
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Eileen

I teach genealogy and I tell my students that we are the survivors of all those who went before. However bad their lives they did survive and when you think of all those who didn't it makes you realise how strong they must have been to endure what they did. And also we are looking at it from our perspective; for them it was a case of just getting on with it. People couldn't afford to be so sensitive in those days. That's why we should be proud of all the agricultural labourers and others who ground out a living and moved around to wherever the work was often doing more than one job.
Elaine

--- In , "EileenB" <cherryripe.eileenb@...> wrote:
>
>
> Dont you find it gut wrenchingly sad when you realise that some (in my case most) of your ancestors have lived in awful poverty. Because mine all lived in Bethnal Green for generations I have been lucky enough to be able to see photos of the areas they lived in and able to trace the streets,some of which are still there, now completely changed...very thought provoking...Eileen
>
> > I am however amazed by my Scottish grandmother's family who lived in abject poverty in Edinburgh's old town and I found it a very emotional journey discovering Granny's siblings who I hadn't known existed and who all died young. 
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: b.eileen25 <cherryripe.eileenb@>
> > To:
> > Sent: Tuesday, 2 October 2012, 14:13
> > Subject: Re: Oct. 2, 2012 - Hilary Wood-Wilson poss descendant?
> >
> >  
> >
> > Yes..It gets much harder pre the late 1700s.....Im taking a breather at the moment from it...But it really is the greatest fun...everyone should do it really...eileen
> > --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, Judy Thomson <judygerard.thomson@> wrote:
> > >
> > > For our (Ricardian) purposes, parish registers are relatively recent - 1530s, if I recall aright. And we've tracked my mother's ancestors back to the 1700s, but prior to that, the info gets very hazy. How I wish DNA testing were less costly; I'd love to find out if my husband and I are distantly related, for one (there's a slight possibility).
> > >
> > > Judy
> > >  
> > > Loyaulte me lie
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@>
> > > To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2012 7:46 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Oct. 2, 2012 - Hilary Wood-Wilson poss descendant?
> > >
> > >
> > >  
> > > I had the greatest fun tracing my family tree back..well one branch of it...Its so much easier now that a lot of the parish records are on line. I have gone as far back as the 1770s...Unfortunately no royalty but weavers living in Bethnal Green. probably very poor....but I am immensely proud of them...I dont know why exactly I just am...:0) Eileen
> > > --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, Johanne Tournier <jltournier60@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/Richard-III-Leicestershire-villager-Hilary/story-17018949-detail/story.html
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Richard III: Leicestershire villager Hilary thrilled to find she's descendant of king
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Trusted article source icon
> > > >
> > > > Tuesday, October 02, 2012
> > > >
> > > > <http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/people/Leicester%20Mercury/profile.html> Profile image for Leicester Mercury
> > > >
> > > > Leicester Mercury <http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/people/Leicester%20Mercury/profile.html>
> > > >
> > > > <http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/Richard-III-Leicestershire-villager-Hilary/story-17018949-detail/story.html> Follow
> > > >
> > > > Like many of us, Hilary Wood-Wilson was gripped as the tale of the search for Richard III's remains unfolded.
> > > >
> > > > But the story became rather more exciting for the 68-year-old when she was told it was more than likely the Plantagenet king was an ancestor.
> > > >
> > > > ​Hilary Wood-Wilson
> > > >
> > > > Hilary Wood-Wilson
> > > >
> > > > Hilary has been told that Richard III, who was born 560 years ago today, was an uncle of 17 generations.
> > > >
> > > > She is one of several people who are possible descendants of the king.
> > > >
> > > > Hilary, who lives in Houghton on the Hill with husband Gerry, said it was an exciting discovery.
> > > >
> > > > "My cousin lives in Edinburgh and she was following all the stories about Richard III as she's very interested in it all," Hilary said.
> > > >
> > > > "She'd done some research before and thought there might be a family connection, but that didn't go any further at the time.
> > > >
> > > > "When the search for his body started, she started looking into it again.
> > > >
> > > > "When she found out, she sent us a long e-mail telling us how excited she was about it all, because, of course, she's related as well.
> > > >
> > > > "I'd been following the story with interest, not knowing royalty was a distant relation â€" if you can call it that, it is a long way down the line.
> > > >
> > > > "It's all very exciting. It's just a pity he's been associated with so many horrors, but I do know he was a very brave soldier and that's nice to know."
> > > >
> > > > Archaeologists uncovered human remains at the Greyfriars car park, in the city centre, in August.
> > > >
> > > > Although the identity of the remains has not yet been confirmed, there is strong evidence to suggest they belong to Richard III.
> > > >
> > > > DNA from the bones is being compared with that of Canadian-born furniture maker Michael Ibsen, who was identified as being a direct descendant of the female line in 2006.
> > > >
> > > > Hilary said she would also be happy to help if researchers needed any more descendants.
> > > >
> > > > "It will be interesting to see whether the remains really are Richard III, but all the evidence seems to point to it," she said.
> > > >
> > > > "I think Mr Ibsen is far more direct than me. I am probably too far removed but I would be happy to help if I can be of any use."
> > > >
> > > > Gerry said: "I think it's all quite interesting. It will be fantastic if the DNA test proves it really is him."
> > > >
> > > > DNA testing of the Greyfriars skeleton is expected to take up to 12 weeks.
> > > >
> > > > Philippa Langley, of the Richard III Society, said: "We have been contacted by quite a few people who may be descendants.
> > > >
> > > > "It is not that out of the ordinary, so far down the line.
> > > >
> > > > "I think it's lovely that people are going that far back in this day and age.
> > > >
> > > > "It's been such an exciting project and all of this adds to the interest it has generated."
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > >
> > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > >
> > > > Johanne L. Tournier
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Email - jltournier60@
> > > >
> > > > or jltournier@
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "With God, all things are possible."
> > > >
> > > > - Jesus of Nazareth
> > > >
> > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > >
> > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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My great-great-grandmother from Scotland also lived in poverty and was widowed with seven children to raise. She left the younger ones with a sister, who packed them off to an orphanage because she was also too poor to look after them. They ended up being sent to Canada and she never saw them again.

I have strong reason to believe that my g-g-gm had to become a prostitute... many of her relatives have a poorhouse listed as a death place... it makes it hard to complain about my lot in life.

Anyway, when are those DNA results coming back? I'm getting impatient!
----- Original Message -----

From: "ellrosa1452" <kathryn198@...>
To:
Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2012 2:23:56 PM
Subject: Re: Oct. 2, 2012 - Hilary Wood-Wilson poss descendant?





Eileen

I teach genealogy and I tell my students that we are the survivors of all those who went before. However bad their lives they did survive and when you think of all those who didn't it makes you realise how strong they must have been to endure what they did. And also we are looking at it from our perspective; for them it was a case of just getting on with it. People couldn't afford to be so sensitive in those days. That's why we should be proud of all the agricultural labourers and others who ground out a living and moved around to wherever the work was often doing more than one job.
Elaine

--- In , "EileenB" <cherryripe.eileenb@...> wrote:
>
>
> Dont you find it gut wrenchingly sad when you realise that some (in my case most) of your ancestors have lived in awful poverty. Because mine all lived in Bethnal Green for generations I have been lucky enough to be able to see photos of the areas they lived in and able to trace the streets,some of which are still there, now completely changed...very thought provoking...Eileen
>
> > I am however amazed by my Scottish grandmother's family who lived in abject poverty in Edinburgh's old town and I found it a very emotional journey discovering Granny's siblings who I hadn't known existed and who all died young.Â
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: b.eileen25 <cherryripe.eileenb@>
> > To:
> > Sent: Tuesday, 2 October 2012, 14:13
> > Subject: Re: Oct. 2, 2012 - Hilary Wood-Wilson poss descendant?
> >
> > Â
> >
> > Yes..It gets much harder pre the late 1700s.....Im taking a breather at the moment from it...But it really is the greatest fun...everyone should do it really...eileen
> > --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, Judy Thomson <judygerard.thomson@> wrote:
> > >
> > > For our (Ricardian) purposes, parish registers are relatively recent - 1530s, if I recall aright. And we've tracked my mother's ancestors back to the 1700s, but prior to that, the info gets very hazy. How I wish DNA testing were less costly; I'd love to find out if my husband and I are distantly related, for one (there's a slight possibility).
> > >
> > > Judy
> > > ÃÂ
> > > Loyaulte me lie
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@>
> > > To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2012 7:46 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Oct. 2, 2012 - Hilary Wood-Wilson poss descendant?
> > >
> > >
> > > ÃÂ
> > > I had the greatest fun tracing my family tree back..well one branch of it...Its so much easier now that a lot of the parish records are on line. I have gone as far back as the 1770s...Unfortunately no royalty but weavers living in Bethnal Green. probably very poor....but I am immensely proud of them...I dont know why exactly I just am...:0) Eileen
> > > --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, Johanne Tournier <jltournier60@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/Richard-III-Leicestershire-villager-Hilary/story-17018949-detail/story.html
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Richard III: Leicestershire villager Hilary thrilled to find she's descendant of king
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Trusted article source icon
> > > >
> > > > Tuesday, October 02, 2012
> > > >
> > > > < http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/people/Leicester%20Mercury/profile.html > Profile image for Leicester Mercury
> > > >
> > > > Leicester Mercury < http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/people/Leicester%20Mercury/profile.html >
> > > >
> > > > < http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/Richard-III-Leicestershire-villager-Hilary/story-17018949-detail/story.html > Follow
> > > >
> > > > Like many of us, Hilary Wood-Wilson was gripped as the tale of the search for Richard III's remains unfolded.
> > > >
> > > > But the story became rather more exciting for the 68-year-old when she was told it was more than likely the Plantagenet king was an ancestor.
> > > >
> > > > Ò¢ââ¬a‰â¬Â¹Hilary Wood-Wilson
> > > >
> > > > Hilary Wood-Wilson
> > > >
> > > > Hilary has been told that Richard III, who was born 560 years ago today, was an uncle of 17 generations.
> > > >
> > > > She is one of several people who are possible descendants of the king.
> > > >
> > > > Hilary, who lives in Houghton on the Hill with husband Gerry, said it was an exciting discovery.
> > > >
> > > > "My cousin lives in Edinburgh and she was following all the stories about Richard III as she's very interested in it all," Hilary said.
> > > >
> > > > "She'd done some research before and thought there might be a family connection, but that didn't go any further at the time.
> > > >
> > > > "When the search for his body started, she started looking into it again.
> > > >
> > > > "When she found out, she sent us a long e-mail telling us how excited she was about it all, because, of course, she's related as well.
> > > >
> > > > "I'd been following the story with interest, not knowing royalty was a distant relation Ò¢ââ¬a¬" if you can call it that, it is a long way down the line.
> > > >
> > > > "It's all very exciting. It's just a pity he's been associated with so many horrors, but I do know he was a very brave soldier and that's nice to know."
> > > >
> > > > Archaeologists uncovered human remains at the Greyfriars car park, in the city centre, in August.
> > > >
> > > > Although the identity of the remains has not yet been confirmed, there is strong evidence to suggest they belong to Richard III.
> > > >
> > > > DNA from the bones is being compared with that of Canadian-born furniture maker Michael Ibsen, who was identified as being a direct descendant of the female line in 2006.
> > > >
> > > > Hilary said she would also be happy to help if researchers needed any more descendants.
> > > >
> > > > "It will be interesting to see whether the remains really are Richard III, but all the evidence seems to point to it," she said.
> > > >
> > > > "I think Mr Ibsen is far more direct than me. I am probably too far removed but I would be happy to help if I can be of any use."
> > > >
> > > > Gerry said: "I think it's all quite interesting. It will be fantastic if the DNA test proves it really is him."
> > > >
> > > > DNA testing of the Greyfriars skeleton is expected to take up to 12 weeks.
> > > >
> > > > Philippa Langley, of the Richard III Society, said: "We have been contacted by quite a few people who may be descendants.
> > > >
> > > > "It is not that out of the ordinary, so far down the line.
> > > >
> > > > "I think it's lovely that people are going that far back in this day and age.
> > > >
> > > > "It's been such an exciting project and all of this adds to the interest it has generated."
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > >
> > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > >
> > > > Johanne L. Tournier
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Email - jltournier60@
> > > >
> > > > or jltournier@
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "With God, all things are possible."
> > > >
> > > > - Jesus of Nazareth
> > > >
> > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > >
> > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > >
> > > >
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>

Double the number of your ancestors every generation and by the time you get back 500 years you have more ancestors than there were people in Britain (if that's where they lived) Hence we are descended from some several times over, and no doubt most of us have both aristocrats and serfs among our forebears

--- In , Angie Telepenko <gooble@...> wrote:
>
> My great-great-grandmother from Scotland also lived in poverty and was widowed with seven children to raise. She left the younger ones with a sister, who packed them off to an orphanage because she was also too poor to look after them. They ended up being sent to Canada and she never saw them again.
>
> I have strong reason to believe that my g-g-gm had to become a prostitute... many of her relatives have a poorhouse listed as a death place... it makes it hard to complain about my lot in life.
>
> Anyway, when are those DNA results coming back? I'm getting impatient!
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: "ellrosa1452" <kathryn198@...>
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2012 2:23:56 PM
> Subject: Re: Oct. 2, 2012 - Hilary Wood-Wilson poss descendant?
>
>
>
>
>
> Eileen
>
> I teach genealogy and I tell my students that we are the survivors of all those who went before. However bad their lives they did survive and when you think of all those who didn't it makes you realise how strong they must have been to endure what they did. And also we are looking at it from our perspective; for them it was a case of just getting on with it. People couldn't afford to be so sensitive in those days. That's why we should be proud of all the agricultural labourers and others who ground out a living and moved around to wherever the work was often doing more than one job.
> Elaine
>
> --- In , "EileenB" <cherryripe.eileenb@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Dont you find it gut wrenchingly sad when you realise that some (in my case most) of your ancestors have lived in awful poverty. Because mine all lived in Bethnal Green for generations I have been lucky enough to be able to see photos of the areas they lived in and able to trace the streets,some of which are still there, now completely changed...very thought provoking...Eileen
> >
> > > I am however amazed by my Scottish grandmother's family who lived in abject poverty in Edinburgh's old town and I found it a very emotional journey discovering Granny's siblings who I hadn't known existed and who all died young.Â
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: b.eileen25 <cherryripe.eileenb@>
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Tuesday, 2 October 2012, 14:13
> > > Subject: Re: Oct. 2, 2012 - Hilary Wood-Wilson poss descendant?
> > >
> > > Â
> > >
> > > Yes..It gets much harder pre the late 1700s.....Im taking a breather at the moment from it...But it really is the greatest fun...everyone should do it really...eileen
> > > --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, Judy Thomson <judygerard.thomson@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > For our (Ricardian) purposes, parish registers are relatively recent - 1530s, if I recall aright. And we've tracked my mother's ancestors back to the 1700s, but prior to that, the info gets very hazy. How I wish DNA testing were less costly; I'd love to find out if my husband and I are distantly related, for one (there's a slight possibility).
> > > >
> > > > Judy
> > > > ÂÂ
> > > > Loyaulte me lie
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________
> > > > From: EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@>
> > > > To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2012 7:46 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: Oct. 2, 2012 - Hilary Wood-Wilson poss descendant?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ÂÂ
> > > > I had the greatest fun tracing my family tree back..well one branch of it...Its so much easier now that a lot of the parish records are on line. I have gone as far back as the 1770s...Unfortunately no royalty but weavers living in Bethnal Green. probably very poor....but I am immensely proud of them...I dont know why exactly I just am...:0) Eileen
> > > > --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, Johanne Tournier <jltournier60@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/Richard-III-Leicestershire-villager-Hilary/story-17018949-detail/story.html
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Richard III: Leicestershire villager Hilary thrilled to find she's descendant of king
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Trusted article source icon
> > > > >
> > > > > Tuesday, October 02, 2012
> > > > >
> > > > > < http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/people/Leicester%20Mercury/profile.html > Profile image for Leicester Mercury
> > > > >
> > > > > Leicester Mercury < http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/people/Leicester%20Mercury/profile.html >
> > > > >
> > > > > < http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/Richard-III-Leicestershire-villager-Hilary/story-17018949-detail/story.html > Follow
> > > > >
> > > > > Like many of us, Hilary Wood-Wilson was gripped as the tale of the search for Richard III's remains unfolded.
> > > > >
> > > > > But the story became rather more exciting for the 68-year-old when she was told it was more than likely the Plantagenet king was an ancestor.
> > > > >
> > > > > ÃÆ'¢â‚¬â€¹Hilary Wood-Wilson
> > > > >
> > > > > Hilary Wood-Wilson
> > > > >
> > > > > Hilary has been told that Richard III, who was born 560 years ago today, was an uncle of 17 generations.
> > > > >
> > > > > She is one of several people who are possible descendants of the king.
> > > > >
> > > > > Hilary, who lives in Houghton on the Hill with husband Gerry, said it was an exciting discovery.
> > > > >
> > > > > "My cousin lives in Edinburgh and she was following all the stories about Richard III as she's very interested in it all," Hilary said.
> > > > >
> > > > > "She'd done some research before and thought there might be a family connection, but that didn't go any further at the time.
> > > > >
> > > > > "When the search for his body started, she started looking into it again.
> > > > >
> > > > > "When she found out, she sent us a long e-mail telling us how excited she was about it all, because, of course, she's related as well.
> > > > >
> > > > > "I'd been following the story with interest, not knowing royalty was a distant relation ÃÆ'¢â‚¬" if you can call it that, it is a long way down the line.
> > > > >
> > > > > "It's all very exciting. It's just a pity he's been associated with so many horrors, but I do know he was a very brave soldier and that's nice to know."
> > > > >
> > > > > Archaeologists uncovered human remains at the Greyfriars car park, in the city centre, in August.
> > > > >
> > > > > Although the identity of the remains has not yet been confirmed, there is strong evidence to suggest they belong to Richard III.
> > > > >
> > > > > DNA from the bones is being compared with that of Canadian-born furniture maker Michael Ibsen, who was identified as being a direct descendant of the female line in 2006.
> > > > >
> > > > > Hilary said she would also be happy to help if researchers needed any more descendants.
> > > > >
> > > > > "It will be interesting to see whether the remains really are Richard III, but all the evidence seems to point to it," she said.
> > > > >
> > > > > "I think Mr Ibsen is far more direct than me. I am probably too far removed but I would be happy to help if I can be of any use."
> > > > >
> > > > > Gerry said: "I think it's all quite interesting. It will be fantastic if the DNA test proves it really is him."
> > > > >
> > > > > DNA testing of the Greyfriars skeleton is expected to take up to 12 weeks.
> > > > >
> > > > > Philippa Langley, of the Richard III Society, said: "We have been contacted by quite a few people who may be descendants.
> > > > >
> > > > > "It is not that out of the ordinary, so far down the line.
> > > > >
> > > > > "I think it's lovely that people are going that far back in this day and age.
> > > > >
> > > > > "It's been such an exciting project and all of this adds to the interest it has generated."
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > > >
> > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > > >
> > > > > Johanne L. Tournier
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Email - jltournier60@
> > > > >
> > > > > or jltournier@
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "With God, all things are possible."
> > > > >
> > > > > - Jesus of Nazareth
> > > > >
> > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > > >
> > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

But about the only people who can be certain of their descent from medieval royalty are American Presidents. Yes, all of them. 


________________________________
From: "favefauve@..." <favefauve@...>
To:
Sent: Sunday, 7 October 2012, 20:13
Subject: Re: Oct. 2, 2012 - Hilary Wood-Wilson poss descendant?


 
Double the number of your ancestors every generation and by the time you get back 500 years you have more ancestors than there were people in Britain (if that's where they lived) Hence we are descended from some several times over, and no doubt most of us have both aristocrats and serfs among our forebears

--- In , Angie Telepenko <gooble@...> wrote:
>
> My great-great-grandmother from Scotland also lived in poverty and was widowed with seven children to raise. She left the younger ones with a sister, who packed them off to an orphanage because she was also too poor to look after them. They ended up being sent to Canada and she never saw them again.
>
> I have strong reason to believe that my g-g-gm had to become a prostitute... many of her relatives have a poorhouse listed as a death place... it makes it hard to complain about my lot in life.
>
> Anyway, when are those DNA results coming back? I'm getting impatient!
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: "ellrosa1452" <kathryn198@...>
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2012 2:23:56 PM
> Subject: Re: Oct. 2, 2012 - Hilary Wood-Wilson poss descendant?
>
>
>
>
>
> Eileen
>
> I teach genealogy and I tell my students that we are the survivors of all those who went before. However bad their lives they did survive and when you think of all those who didn't it makes you realise how strong they must have been to endure what they did. And also we are looking at it from our perspective; for them it was a case of just getting on with it. People couldn't afford to be so sensitive in those days. That's why we should be proud of all the agricultural labourers and others who ground out a living and moved around to wherever the work was often doing more than one job.
> Elaine
>
> --- In , "EileenB" <cherryripe.eileenb@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Dont you find it gut wrenchingly sad when you realise that some (in my case most) of your ancestors have lived in awful poverty. Because mine all lived in Bethnal Green for generations I have been lucky enough to be able to see photos of the areas they lived in and able to trace the streets,some of which are still there, now completely changed...very thought provoking...Eileen
> >
> > > Ià am however amazed by my Scottish grandmother's family who lived in abject poverty in Edinburgh's old town and I found it a very emotional journey discovering Granny's siblings whoà I hadn't known existed and who all died young.Ã
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: b.eileen25 <cherryripe.eileenb@>
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Tuesday, 2 October 2012, 14:13
> > > Subject: Re: Oct. 2, 2012 - Hilary Wood-Wilson poss descendant?
> > >
> > > Ã
> > >
> > > Yes..It gets much harder pre the late 1700s.....Im taking a breather at the moment from it...But it really is the greatest fun...everyone should do it really...eileen
> > > --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, Judy Thomson <judygerard.thomson@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > For our (Ricardian) purposes, parish registers are relatively recent - 1530s, if I recall aright. And we've tracked my mother's ancestors back to the 1700s, but prior to that, the info gets very hazy. How I wish DNA testing were less costly; I'd love to find out if my husband and I are distantly related, for one (there's a slight possibility).
> > > >
> > > > Judy
> > > > Ã’â¬aÃ
> > > > Loyaulte me lie
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________
> > > > From: EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@>
> > > > To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2012 7:46 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: Oct. 2, 2012 - Hilary Wood-Wilson poss descendant?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ã’â¬aÃ
> > > > I had the greatest fun tracing my family tree back..well one branch of it...Its so much easier now that a lot of the parish records are on line. I have gone as far back as the 1770s...Unfortunately no royalty but weavers living in Bethnal Green. probably very poor....but I am immensely proud of them...I dont know why exactly I just am...:0) Eileen
> > > > --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, Johanne Tournier <jltournier60@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/Richard-III-Leicestershire-villager-Hilary/story-17018949-detail/story.html
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Richard III: Leicestershire villager Hilary thrilled to find she's descendant of king
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Trusted article source icon
> > > > >
> > > > > Tuesday, October 02, 2012
> > > > >
> > > > > < http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/people/Leicester%20Mercury/profile.html > Profile image for Leicester Mercury
> > > > >
> > > > > Leicester Mercury < http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/people/Leicester%20Mercury/profile.html >
> > > > >
> > > > > < http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/Richard-III-Leicestershire-villager-Hilary/story-17018949-detail/story.html > Follow
> > > > >
> > > > > Like many of us, Hilary Wood-Wilson was gripped as the tale of the search for Richard III's remains unfolded.
> > > > >
> > > > > But the story became rather more exciting for the 68-year-old when she was told it was more than likely the Plantagenet king was an ancestor.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ã’Æ'âҢââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ò¢ââ¬a¬Ã¹Hilary Wood-Wilson
> > > > >
> > > > > Hilary Wood-Wilson
> > > > >
> > > > > Hilary has been told that Richard III, who was born 560 years ago today, was an uncle of 17 generations.
> > > > >
> > > > > She is one of several people who are possible descendants of the king.
> > > > >
> > > > > Hilary, who lives in Houghton on the Hill with husband Gerry, said it was an exciting discovery.
> > > > >
> > > > > "My cousin lives in Edinburgh and she was following all the stories about Richard III as she's very interested in it all," Hilary said.
> > > > >
> > > > > "She'd done some research before and thought there might be a family connection, but that didn't go any further at the time.
> > > > >
> > > > > "When the search for his body started, she started looking into it again.
> > > > >
> > > > > "When she found out, she sent us a long e-mail telling us how excited she was about it all, because, of course, she's related as well.
> > > > >
> > > > > "I'd been following the story with interest, not knowing royalty was a distant relation Ã’Æ'âҢââ¬Å¡Ã¬" if you can call it that, it is a long way down the line.
> > > > >
> > > > > "It's all very exciting. It's just a pity he's been associated with so many horrors, but I do know he was a very brave soldier and that's nice to know."
> > > > >
> > > > > Archaeologists uncovered human remains at the Greyfriars car park, in the city centre, in August.
> > > > >
> > > > > Although the identity of the remains has not yet been confirmed, there is strong evidence to suggest they belong to Richard III.
> > > > >
> > > > > DNA from the bones is being compared with that of Canadian-born furniture maker Michael Ibsen, who was identified as being a direct descendant of the female line in 2006.
> > > > >
> > > > > Hilary said she would also be happy to help if researchers needed any more descendants.
> > > > >
> > > > > "It will be interesting to see whether the remains really are Richard III, but all the evidence seems to point to it," she said.
> > > > >
> > > > > "I think Mr Ibsen is far more direct than me. I am probably too far removed but I would be happy to help if I can be of any use."
> > > > >
> > > > > Gerry said: "I think it's all quite interesting. It will be fantastic if the DNA test proves it really is him."
> > > > >
> > > > > DNA testing of the Greyfriars skeleton is expected to take up to 12 weeks.
> > > > >
> > > > > Philippa Langley, of the Richard III Society, said: "We have been contacted by quite a few people who may be descendants.
> > > > >
> > > > > "It is not that out of the ordinary, so far down the line.
> > > > >
> > > > > "I think it's lovely that people are going that far back in this day and age.
> > > > >
> > > > > "It's been such an exciting project and all of this adds to the interest it has generated."
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > > >
> > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > > >
> > > > > Johanne L. Tournier
> > > > >
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I'm sure most of us are descended from royalty if we go back far enough.

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From: "david rayner" <theblackprussian@...>
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But about the only people who can be certain of their descent from medieval royalty are American Presidents. Yes, all of them.

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From: " favefauve@... " < favefauve@... >
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Double the number of your ancestors every generation and by the time you get back 500 years you have more ancestors than there were people in Britain (if that's where they lived) Hence we are descended from some several times over, and no doubt most of us have both aristocrats and serfs among our forebears

--- In , Angie Telepenko <gooble@...> wrote:
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> My great-great-grandmother from Scotland also lived in poverty and was widowed with seven children to raise. She left the younger ones with a sister, who packed them off to an orphanage because she was also too poor to look after them. They ended up being sent to Canada and she never saw them again.
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> I have strong reason to believe that my g-g-gm had to become a prostitute... many of her relatives have a poorhouse listed as a death place... it makes it hard to complain about my lot in life.
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> Anyway, when are those DNA results coming back? I'm getting impatient!
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> I teach genealogy and I tell my students that we are the survivors of all those who went before. However bad their lives they did survive and when you think of all those who didn't it makes you realise how strong they must have been to endure what they did. And also we are looking at it from our perspective; for them it was a case of just getting on with it. People couldn't afford to be so sensitive in those days. That's why we should be proud of all the agricultural labourers and others who ground out a living and moved around to wherever the work was often doing more than one job.
> Elaine
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> --- In , "EileenB" <cherryripe.eileenb@> wrote:
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> > Dont you find it gut wrenchingly sad when you realise that some (in my case most) of your ancestors have lived in awful poverty. Because mine all lived in Bethnal Green for generations I have been lucky enough to be able to see photos of the areas they lived in and able to trace the streets,some of which are still there, now completely changed...very thought provoking...Eileen
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> > > Ià am however amazed by my Scottish grandmother's family who lived in abject poverty in Edinburgh's old town and I found it a very emotional journey discovering Granny's siblings whoà I hadn't known existed and who all died young.Ã
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> > > From: b.eileen25 <cherryripe.eileenb@>
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> > > Yes..It gets much harder pre the late 1700s.....Im taking a breather at the moment from it...But it really is the greatest fun...everyone should do it really...eileen
> > > --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, Judy Thomson <judygerard.thomson@> wrote:
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> > > > For our (Ricardian) purposes, parish registers are relatively recent - 1530s, if I recall aright. And we've tracked my mother's ancestors back to the 1700s, but prior to that, the info gets very hazy. How I wish DNA testing were less costly; I'd love to find out if my husband and I are distantly related, for one (there's a slight possibility).
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> > > > Judy
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> > > > From: EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@>
> > > > To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2012 7:46 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: Oct. 2, 2012 - Hilary Wood-Wilson poss descendant?
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> > > > I had the greatest fun tracing my family tree back..well one branch of it...Its so much easier now that a lot of the parish records are on line. I have gone as far back as the 1770s...Unfortunately no royalty but weavers living in Bethnal Green. probably very poor....but I am immensely proud of them...I dont know why exactly I just am...:0) Eileen
> > > > --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, Johanne Tournier <jltournier60@> wrote:
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> > > > > http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/Richard-III-Leicestershire-villager-Hilary/story-17018949-detail/story.html
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> > > > > Richard III: Leicestershire villager Hilary thrilled to find she's descendant of king
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> > > > > Trusted article source icon
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> > > > > Tuesday, October 02, 2012
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> > > > > < http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/people/Leicester%20Mercury/profile.html > Profile image for Leicester Mercury
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> > > > > Leicester Mercury < http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/people/Leicester%20Mercury/profile.html >
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> > > > > < http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/Richard-III-Leicestershire-villager-Hilary/story-17018949-detail/story.html > Follow
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> > > > > Like many of us, Hilary Wood-Wilson was gripped as the tale of the search for Richard III's remains unfolded.
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> > > > > But the story became rather more exciting for the 68-year-old when she was told it was more than likely the Plantagenet king was an ancestor.
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> > > > > Ã’Æ'âҢââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ò¢ââ¬a¬Ã¹Hilary Wood-Wilson
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> > > > > Hilary Wood-Wilson
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> > > > > Hilary has been told that Richard III, who was born 560 years ago today, was an uncle of 17 generations.
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> > > > > She is one of several people who are possible descendants of the king.
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> > > > > Hilary, who lives in Houghton on the Hill with husband Gerry, said it was an exciting discovery.
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> > > > > "My cousin lives in Edinburgh and she was following all the stories about Richard III as she's very interested in it all," Hilary said.
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> > > > > "She'd done some research before and thought there might be a family connection, but that didn't go any further at the time.
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> > > > > "When the search for his body started, she started looking into it again.
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> > > > > "When she found out, she sent us a long e-mail telling us how excited she was about it all, because, of course, she's related as well.
> > > > >
> > > > > "I'd been following the story with interest, not knowing royalty was a distant relation Ã’Æ'âҢââ¬Å¡Ã¬" if you can call it that, it is a long way down the line.
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> > > > > "It's all very exciting. It's just a pity he's been associated with so many horrors, but I do know he was a very brave soldier and that's nice to know."
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> > > > > Archaeologists uncovered human remains at the Greyfriars car park, in the city centre, in August.
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> > > > > Although the identity of the remains has not yet been confirmed, there is strong evidence to suggest they belong to Richard III.
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> > > > > DNA from the bones is being compared with that of Canadian-born furniture maker Michael Ibsen, who was identified as being a direct descendant of the female line in 2006.
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> > > > > Hilary said she would also be happy to help if researchers needed any more descendants.
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> > > > > "It will be interesting to see whether the remains really are Richard III, but all the evidence seems to point to it," she said.
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> > > > > "I think Mr Ibsen is far more direct than me. I am probably too far removed but I would be happy to help if I can be of any use."
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> > > > > Gerry said: "I think it's all quite interesting. It will be fantastic if the DNA test proves it really is him."
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> > > > > DNA testing of the Greyfriars skeleton is expected to take up to 12 weeks.
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> > > > > Philippa Langley, of the Richard III Society, said: "We have been contacted by quite a few people who may be descendants.
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> > > > > "It is not that out of the ordinary, so far down the line.
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> > > > > "I think it's lovely that people are going that far back in this day and age.
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> > > > > "It's been such an exciting project and all of this adds to the interest it has generated."
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