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2012-10-04 00:05:02
What a fantastic story about Richard returning to release the loud man!!!! I wish we had more to show the humanistic side to Richard. Are there some? I have an idea. Someone mentioned Richard was the Best English King. Why doesn't someone actually list all the English rulers (and Queens ?) and then list their documented "good" and "not so good" deeds or accomplishments. A clear, accurate historically correct listing to back up this comment&.would enlighten and help us all. Anyone up to it?
Good deeds
2012-10-04 19:32:40
--- In , Carol Darling <cdarlingart1@...> wrote:
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> What a fantastic story about Richard returning to release the loud man!!!! I wish we had more to show the humanistic side to Richard. Are there some? I have an idea. Someone mentioned Richard was the Best English King. Why doesn't someone actually list all the English rulers (and Queens ?) and then list their documented "good" and "not so good" deeds or accomplishments. A clear, accurate historically correct listing to back up this comment….would enlighten and help us all. Anyone up to it?
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No, not up to that, I'm afraid, but there are a lot of positive things about Richard in contemporary sources that aren't so well known and maybe could be compiled. Here's one I came across today whilst reading the bits of the York House Books that deal with the period after Bosworth. It's from a letter from the city council to King Henry (seemingly written in December 1485) trying to persuade him to honour the grants that Richard had made to the city. After reminding him of their past loyalty to Henry VI, and blaming the city's poverty and misery on its sack by Yorkist forces after Towton and Edward IV's disfavour, they stopped being sycophantic and bravely stated that:
"... which premises of poverty was so evidently known to be true unto the Duke of Gloucester, in his days being continually amongst your said subjects and expertly proving the same, that of very pity and for that at he would not the final destruction of the said city, ... of his pity granted unto your said orators the things within written. First, that every person resorting unto the said city should be toll free, whereby great recourse should be had to the said city and so the sheriffs by reason thereof discharged for ever of £40 due yearly for the toll; also that the Mayor for the time being should be sergeant at arms, receiving of the fee farm of the city there 12d by the day in his relief toward his charges of mayoralty; also that of the said fee farm should be paid yearly unto the use of the city toward the reparation of the walls £20; and to the other charges and relief of the same in acquitting of the said city of their debts and further to maintain the same, yearly £40, besides a pardon of a yearly charge of 100s paid by the butchers there...."
Any more, anybody?
Marie
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> What a fantastic story about Richard returning to release the loud man!!!! I wish we had more to show the humanistic side to Richard. Are there some? I have an idea. Someone mentioned Richard was the Best English King. Why doesn't someone actually list all the English rulers (and Queens ?) and then list their documented "good" and "not so good" deeds or accomplishments. A clear, accurate historically correct listing to back up this comment….would enlighten and help us all. Anyone up to it?
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No, not up to that, I'm afraid, but there are a lot of positive things about Richard in contemporary sources that aren't so well known and maybe could be compiled. Here's one I came across today whilst reading the bits of the York House Books that deal with the period after Bosworth. It's from a letter from the city council to King Henry (seemingly written in December 1485) trying to persuade him to honour the grants that Richard had made to the city. After reminding him of their past loyalty to Henry VI, and blaming the city's poverty and misery on its sack by Yorkist forces after Towton and Edward IV's disfavour, they stopped being sycophantic and bravely stated that:
"... which premises of poverty was so evidently known to be true unto the Duke of Gloucester, in his days being continually amongst your said subjects and expertly proving the same, that of very pity and for that at he would not the final destruction of the said city, ... of his pity granted unto your said orators the things within written. First, that every person resorting unto the said city should be toll free, whereby great recourse should be had to the said city and so the sheriffs by reason thereof discharged for ever of £40 due yearly for the toll; also that the Mayor for the time being should be sergeant at arms, receiving of the fee farm of the city there 12d by the day in his relief toward his charges of mayoralty; also that of the said fee farm should be paid yearly unto the use of the city toward the reparation of the walls £20; and to the other charges and relief of the same in acquitting of the said city of their debts and further to maintain the same, yearly £40, besides a pardon of a yearly charge of 100s paid by the butchers there...."
Any more, anybody?
Marie
Re: Good deeds
2012-10-05 02:02:28
Yes, please, if it's not troublesome...?
--- In , mariewalsh2003 <no_reply@...> wrote:
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> --- In , Carol Darling <cdarlingart1@> wrote:
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> > What a fantastic story about Richard returning to release the loud man!!!! I wish we had more to show the humanistic side to Richard. Are there some? I have an idea. Someone mentioned Richard was the Best English King. Why doesn't someone actually list all the English rulers (and Queens ?) and then list their documented "good" and "not so good" deeds or accomplishments. A clear, accurate historically correct listing to back up this comment….would enlighten and help us all. Anyone up to it?
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> No, not up to that, I'm afraid, but there are a lot of positive things about Richard in contemporary sources that aren't so well known and maybe could be compiled. Here's one I came across today whilst reading the bits of the York House Books that deal with the period after Bosworth. It's from a letter from the city council to King Henry (seemingly written in December 1485) trying to persuade him to honour the grants that Richard had made to the city. After reminding him of their past loyalty to Henry VI, and blaming the city's poverty and misery on its sack by Yorkist forces after Towton and Edward IV's disfavour, they stopped being sycophantic and bravely stated that:
> "... which premises of poverty was so evidently known to be true unto the Duke of Gloucester, in his days being continually amongst your said subjects and expertly proving the same, that of very pity and for that at he would not the final destruction of the said city, ... of his pity granted unto your said orators the things within written. First, that every person resorting unto the said city should be toll free, whereby great recourse should be had to the said city and so the sheriffs by reason thereof discharged for ever of £40 due yearly for the toll; also that the Mayor for the time being should be sergeant at arms, receiving of the fee farm of the city there 12d by the day in his relief toward his charges of mayoralty; also that of the said fee farm should be paid yearly unto the use of the city toward the reparation of the walls £20; and to the other charges and relief of the same in acquitting of the said city of their debts and further to maintain the same, yearly £40, besides a pardon of a yearly charge of 100s paid by the butchers there...."
> Any more, anybody?
> Marie
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--- In , mariewalsh2003 <no_reply@...> wrote:
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> --- In , Carol Darling <cdarlingart1@> wrote:
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> > What a fantastic story about Richard returning to release the loud man!!!! I wish we had more to show the humanistic side to Richard. Are there some? I have an idea. Someone mentioned Richard was the Best English King. Why doesn't someone actually list all the English rulers (and Queens ?) and then list their documented "good" and "not so good" deeds or accomplishments. A clear, accurate historically correct listing to back up this comment….would enlighten and help us all. Anyone up to it?
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> No, not up to that, I'm afraid, but there are a lot of positive things about Richard in contemporary sources that aren't so well known and maybe could be compiled. Here's one I came across today whilst reading the bits of the York House Books that deal with the period after Bosworth. It's from a letter from the city council to King Henry (seemingly written in December 1485) trying to persuade him to honour the grants that Richard had made to the city. After reminding him of their past loyalty to Henry VI, and blaming the city's poverty and misery on its sack by Yorkist forces after Towton and Edward IV's disfavour, they stopped being sycophantic and bravely stated that:
> "... which premises of poverty was so evidently known to be true unto the Duke of Gloucester, in his days being continually amongst your said subjects and expertly proving the same, that of very pity and for that at he would not the final destruction of the said city, ... of his pity granted unto your said orators the things within written. First, that every person resorting unto the said city should be toll free, whereby great recourse should be had to the said city and so the sheriffs by reason thereof discharged for ever of £40 due yearly for the toll; also that the Mayor for the time being should be sergeant at arms, receiving of the fee farm of the city there 12d by the day in his relief toward his charges of mayoralty; also that of the said fee farm should be paid yearly unto the use of the city toward the reparation of the walls £20; and to the other charges and relief of the same in acquitting of the said city of their debts and further to maintain the same, yearly £40, besides a pardon of a yearly charge of 100s paid by the butchers there...."
> Any more, anybody?
> Marie
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