Fun story redux

Hi, Carol & Everyone -

OK, here's the link to the story appearing October 4, 2012, on This is
Leicestershire and the Leicester Mercury, which I cut and pasted from the
Google Alert -




<http://www.google.com/url?sa=X&q=http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/Rich
ard-III-dig-Royal-remains-laid-rest-cathedral/story-17027666-detail/story.ht
ml&ct=ga&cad=CAEQAhgAIAAoATAAOABAtvy1gwVIAVAAWABiBWVuLUNB&cd=7SDrdHN3kR4&usg
=AFQjCNERRI1gIwoJxIoULNn45yQctpy2fA> Richard III dig: Royal remains being
laid to rest at cathedral is natural ...



And here's a tinyurl and a preview tinyurl -



http://tinyurl.com/9sx39nt



http://preview.tinyurl.com/9sx39nt



I hope these will work more concisely this time! (smile)



Johanne

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Johanne L. Tournier



Email - jltournier60@...

or jltournier@...



"With God, all things are possible."

- Jesus of Nazareth

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Johanne Tournier wrote:
>
> Hi, Carol & Everyone -
>
> OK, here's the link to the story appearing October 4, 2012, on This is Leicestershire and the Leicester Mercury, which I cut and pasted from the Google Alert -
>
> http://tinyurl.com/9sx39nt

Carol responds:

Thanks, Johanne. Turns out it not the same story I saw, which can be found here:

http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/Richard-III-dig-Mayor-Leicester-considers-sites/story-17021896-detail/story.html

http://tinyurl.com/9nxrhoy

This one has the full quotation: "Those bones leave Leicester over my dead body." Nothing like a little determination!

Carol

ROFL, Carol!



On the other hand, and more seriously, this is the first time I have seen
the mention that the skeleton was missing its feet. Hmm . . . so the
question that comes to mind immediately is whether they were likely removed
with subsequent disturbance of the soil, like excavation of the
Victorian-era outhouse the article in *Current Archaeology* mentions, or
whether his body was mutilated prior to being buried. L Being interested in
traditional folklore and supernatural legends, it makes me wonder if it's
possible if that might have been something done to prevent the body from
wandering, just as sometimes people were buried upside down or with a stake
through their chests. It seems to me that, having died violently, it may
have been supposed that Richard's spirit would have been more likely than
most to rise again or perhaps that his spirit might haunt his adversaries -
as I mentioned before regarding Henry VII's paying for a monument for
Richard; it could well have been something that Henry thought might placate
Richard's angry spirit. Perhaps in fact he *was* haunted, even if it was
only by a sense of his own guilt.



Anway, Buckley says he hopes that the postmortem analysis will give some
answers about how the feet went missing.



TTYL,



Johanne

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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Johanne L. Tournier



Email - jltournier60@...

or jltournier@...



"With God, all things are possible."

- Jesus of Nazareth

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From:
[mailto:] On Behalf Of justcarol67
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 12:32 PM
To:
Subject: Re: Fun story redux





Johanne Tournier wrote:
>
> Hi, Carol & Everyone -
>
> OK, here's the link to the story appearing October 4, 2012, on This is
Leicestershire and the Leicester Mercury, which I cut and pasted from the
Google Alert -
>
> http://tinyurl.com/9sx39nt

Carol responds:

Thanks, Johanne. Turns out it not the same story I saw, which can be found
here:

http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/Richard-III-dig-Mayor-Leicester-consid
ers-sites/story-17021896-detail/story.html

http://tinyurl.com/9nxrhoy

This one has the full quotation: "Those bones leave Leicester over my dead
body." Nothing like a little determination!

Carol

Hi, Johanne! From what I've heard, the missing feet seem due to some bungled Victorian construction work. Maybe they found the bones, but the metatarsals and digits would be small and would come apart. A workman might easily have mistaken them for little animal bones and discarded them...or they may have been pushed deeper into the ground.

Chicago's Lincoln Park was a former cemetery. The bodies were "carefully" removed and relocated, with the notable exception of one small mausoleum. But now and again, some stray human bones are dug up; while it's tempting to think this was where gangsters disposed of their rivals, so far the remains have all turned out to be 19th C. 

Cemetery plot records weren't as comprehensive in those days.

Judy
 
Loyaulte me lie


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From: Johanne Tournier <jltournier60@...>
To:
Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 11:30 AM
Subject: RE: Re: Fun story redux


 
ROFL, Carol!

On the other hand, and more seriously, this is the first time I have seen
the mention that the skeleton was missing its feet. Hmm . . . so the
question that comes to mind immediately is whether they were likely removed
with subsequent disturbance of the soil, like excavation of the
Victorian-era outhouse the article in *Current Archaeology* mentions, or
whether his body was mutilated prior to being buried. L Being interested in
traditional folklore and supernatural legends, it makes me wonder if it's
possible if that might have been something done to prevent the body from
wandering, just as sometimes people were buried upside down or with a stake
through their chests. It seems to me that, having died violently, it may
have been supposed that Richard's spirit would have been more likely than
most to rise again or perhaps that his spirit might haunt his adversaries -
as I mentioned before regarding Henry VII's paying for a monument for
Richard; it could well have been something that Henry thought might placate
Richard's angry spirit. Perhaps in fact he *was* haunted, even if it was
only by a sense of his own guilt.

Anway, Buckley says he hopes that the postmortem analysis will give some
answers about how the feet went missing.

TTYL,

Johanne

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Johanne L. Tournier

Email - jltournier60@...

or jltournier@...

"With God, all things are possible."

- Jesus of Nazareth

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

From:
[mailto:] On Behalf Of justcarol67
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 12:32 PM
To:
Subject: Re: Fun story redux

Johanne Tournier wrote:
>
> Hi, Carol & Everyone -
>
> OK, here's the link to the story appearing October 4, 2012, on This is
Leicestershire and the Leicester Mercury, which I cut and pasted from the
Google Alert -
>
> http://tinyurl.com/9sx39nt

Carol responds:

Thanks, Johanne. Turns out it not the same story I saw, which can be found
here:

http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/Richard-III-dig-Mayor-Leicester-consid
ers-sites/story-17021896-detail/story.html

http://tinyurl.com/9nxrhoy

This one has the full quotation: "Those bones leave Leicester over my dead
body." Nothing like a little determination!

Carol

Dear Johanne,

The feet are missing because the 19C building work cut through the
grave-cut. This kind of thing isn't uncommon. Small bones from the
extremities can easily not be noticed.

Re: what Judy says, when I lived in St Andrews, there were always dog-
walkers finding bones on the beach because of cliff erosion on what
had been mediæval and early modern burial grounds around the
Cathedral and St Mary of the Rock (the remains of which were near my
flat). I always wished I might find someone or something on the beach
or path down, but never did.

cheers,
Marianne

Hey, Johanne! This is probably already addressed somewhere upthread, but you got here just after Ms. Carson had talked about this on the board. The archeology team says it's definitely that the lower portion of the skeleton was disturbed during the Victorian-era construction work. We were all starting to wonder if this was just one more deliberate denigration of the body and it was good to hear that it wasn't.

--- In , Johanne Tournier <jltournier60@...> wrote:
>
> ROFL, Carol!
>
>
>
> On the other hand, and more seriously, this is the first time I have seen
> the mention that the skeleton was missing its feet. Hmm . . . so the
> question that comes to mind immediately is whether they were likely removed
> with subsequent disturbance of the soil, like excavation of the
> Victorian-era outhouse the article in *Current Archaeology* mentions, or
> whether his body was mutilated prior to being buried. L Being interested in
> traditional folklore and supernatural legends, it makes me wonder if it's
> possible if that might have been something done to prevent the body from
> wandering, just as sometimes people were buried upside down or with a stake
> through their chests. It seems to me that, having died violently, it may
> have been supposed that Richard's spirit would have been more likely than
> most to rise again or perhaps that his spirit might haunt his adversaries -
> as I mentioned before regarding Henry VII's paying for a monument for
> Richard; it could well have been something that Henry thought might placate
> Richard's angry spirit. Perhaps in fact he *was* haunted, even if it was
> only by a sense of his own guilt.
>
>
>
> Anway, Buckley says he hopes that the postmortem analysis will give some
> answers about how the feet went missing.
>
>
>
> TTYL,
>
>
>
> Johanne
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Johanne L. Tournier
>
>
>
> Email - jltournier60@...
>
> or jltournier@...
>
>
>
> "With God, all things are possible."
>
> - Jesus of Nazareth
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From:
> [mailto:] On Behalf Of justcarol67
> Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 12:32 PM
> To:
> Subject: Re: Fun story redux
>
>
>
>
>
> Johanne Tournier wrote:
> >
> > Hi, Carol & Everyone -
> >
> > OK, here's the link to the story appearing October 4, 2012, on This is
> Leicestershire and the Leicester Mercury, which I cut and pasted from the
> Google Alert -
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/9sx39nt
>
> Carol responds:
>
> Thanks, Johanne. Turns out it not the same story I saw, which can be found
> here:
>
> http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/Richard-III-dig-Mayor-Leicester-consid
> ers-sites/story-17021896-detail/story.html
>
> http://tinyurl.com/9nxrhoy
>
> This one has the full quotation: "Those bones leave Leicester over my dead
> body." Nothing like a little determination!
>
> Carol
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Thanks to you and Marianne for clarifying that, mcjohn! And, yes, as Carol
said, it's a relief to know that it appears that the body was not mutilated
deliberately.



Johanne



From:
[mailto:] On Behalf Of mcjohn_wt_net
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 5:42 PM
To:
Subject: Re: Fun story redux





Hey, Johanne! This is probably already addressed somewhere upthread, but you
got here just after Ms. Carson had talked about this on the board. The
archeology team says it's definitely that the lower portion of the skeleton
was disturbed during the Victorian-era construction work. We were all
starting to wonder if this was just one more deliberate denigration of the
body and it was good to hear that it wasn't.

--- In
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> , Johanne Tournier
<jltournier60@...> wrote:
>
> ROFL, Carol!
>
>
>
> On the other hand, and more seriously, this is the first time I have seen
> the mention that the skeleton was missing its feet. Hmm . . . so the
> question that comes to mind immediately is whether they were likely
removed
> with subsequent disturbance of the soil, like excavation of the
> Victorian-era outhouse the article in *Current Archaeology* mentions, or
> whether his body was mutilated prior to being buried. L Being interested
in
> traditional folklore and supernatural legends, it makes me wonder if it's
> possible if that might have been something done to prevent the body from
> wandering, just as sometimes people were buried upside down or with a
stake
> through their chests. It seems to me that, having died violently, it may
> have been supposed that Richard's spirit would have been more likely than
> most to rise again or perhaps that his spirit might haunt his adversaries
-
> as I mentioned before regarding Henry VII's paying for a monument for
> Richard; it could well have been something that Henry thought might
placate
> Richard's angry spirit. Perhaps in fact he *was* haunted, even if it was
> only by a sense of his own guilt.
>
>
>
> Anway, Buckley says he hopes that the postmortem analysis will give some
> answers about how the feet went missing.
>
>
>
> TTYL,
>
>
>
> Johanne
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Johanne L. Tournier
>
>
>
> Email - jltournier60@...
>
> or jltournier@...
>
>
>
> "With God, all things are possible."
>
> - Jesus of Nazareth
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From:
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of justcarol67
> Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 12:32 PM
> To:
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Fun story redux
>
>
>
>
>
> Johanne Tournier wrote:
> >
> > Hi, Carol & Everyone -
> >
> > OK, here's the link to the story appearing October 4, 2012, on This is
> Leicestershire and the Leicester Mercury, which I cut and pasted from the
> Google Alert -
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/9sx39nt
>
> Carol responds:
>
> Thanks, Johanne. Turns out it not the same story I saw, which can be found
> here:
>
>
http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/Richard-III-dig-Mayor-Leicester-consid
> ers-sites/story-17021896-detail/story.html
>
> http://tinyurl.com/9nxrhoy
>
> This one has the full quotation: "Those bones leave Leicester over my dead
> body." Nothing like a little determination!
>
> Carol
>
>
>
>
>
>
>