Johanna

Could someone provide a picture of Johanna and tell her lineage? Also, was was the political strategy in picking her, what would have been the benefit at that time of uniting with Portugal?

Hi there - do a Google search for Joana the Holy Princess and you'll find her portrait, she of the doll-like face and flaming red hair. As usual I don't have much time, but regarding Portugal, England has always had excellent relations with the Portuguese and in fact it's one country with which we have never been at war! So a first-rate ally with no negative undercurrents. Most importantly, however, Princess Joana was the senior remaining unmarried female heir of the house of Lancaster (by which I mean legitimate heir), so if this marriage had taken place it would have united York with Lancaster, legitimately and peacefully.
Regards, Annette


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Could someone provide a picture of Johanna and tell her lineage? Also, was was the political strategy in picking her, what would have been the benefit at that time of uniting with Portugal?

England's oldest ally - they weren't Spain or France either, which helps.

Furthermore, the Tydders weren't descended from Blanche, Duchess of Lancaster in suo jure so they weren't Lancastrians of any hue. Henry VI's death left Alfonso V (her father) as the Lancastrian heir to 1481, then Joao II (her brother, whom she predeceased) to 1495 then Manoel I (her cousin, intended for Elizabeth).

I will pp this tonight for convenience.

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Hi there - do a Google search for Joana the Holy Princess and you'll find her portrait, she of the doll-like face and flaming red hair. As usual I don't have much time, but regarding Portugal, England has always had excellent relations with the Portuguese and in fact it's one country with which we have never been at war! So a first-rate ally with no negative undercurrents. Most importantly, however, Princess Joana was the senior remaining unmarried female heir of the house of Lancaster (by which I mean legitimate heir), so if this marriage had taken place it would have united York with Lancaster, legitimately and peacefully.
Regards, Annette

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From: Carol Darling
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Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 5:01 PM
Subject: Johanna

Could someone provide a picture of Johanna and tell her lineage? Also, was was the political strategy in picking her, what would have been the benefit at that time of uniting with Portugal?

Carol Darling wrote:
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> Could someone provide a picture of Johanna and tell her lineage? Also, was was the political strategy in picking her, what would have been the benefit at that time of uniting with Portugal?

Carol (T) responds:

If you go to the Photos section of this website, you'll find her portrait in the album labeled Portraits. She was descended from Philippa, Queen of Portugal, daughter of John of Gaunt and his first wife, Blanche of Lancaster. Philippa was a sister of Henry IV. Wikipedia (which has the same picture) gives the family tree (you have to click on the Show link in the Ancestry section): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joana,_Princess_of_Portugal

Carol

I seem to remember that the Portuguese line had specifically renounced any claim to the English crown, or at least it was conventional for royalty not to claim titles in other realms. Grateful to anyone who can confirm which was the case.

The next heir of Lancaster was the Exeter line. Henry Holland, Duke of Exeter (husband of Anne of York) loudly claimed to be rightful Duke of Lancaster even during Henry VI's reign, though after 1471 he certainly had a point. After his death in 1475 his sister Anne Lady Neville (d1486), then her son Ralph, Earl of Westmoreland (d1499) (ancestor of the 2 American Adams Presidents) carried the line. 

Despite Exeter's pretensions, the claims of this line seem never to have been taken seriously; presumably after 1485 the bogus Tudor claim was too well established to be challenged by non-Yorkists. The assumption seems to be that, rather like the Buckingham claim to the Lancastrian share of the Bohun estates, once lands were "merged in the Crown" they were part of the Royal Domain even if the reigning monarch had no hereditary claim to them.


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England's oldest ally - they weren't Spain or France either, which helps.

Furthermore, the Tydders weren't descended from Blanche, Duchess of Lancaster in suo jure so they weren't Lancastrians of any hue. Henry VI's death left Alfonso V (her father) as the Lancastrian heir to 1481, then Joao II (her brother, whom she predeceased) to 1495 then Manoel I (her cousin, intended for Elizabeth).

I will pp this tonight for convenience.

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From: Annette Carson
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Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 5:18 PM
Subject: Re: Johanna

Hi there - do a Google search for Joana the Holy Princess and you'll find her portrait, she of the doll-like face and flaming red hair. As usual I don't have much time, but regarding Portugal, England has always had excellent relations with the Portuguese and in fact it's one country with which we have never been at war! So a first-rate ally with no negative undercurrents. Most importantly, however, Princess Joana was the senior remaining unmarried female heir of the house of Lancaster (by which I mean legitimate heir), so if this marriage had taken place it would have united York with Lancaster, legitimately and peacefully.
Regards, Annette._,_.___

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Catherine of Aragon also sported red hair from her Lancastrian heritage; despite this film and TV invariably portray her as a dark-eyed, raven-haired Latina. 


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Hi there - do a Google search for Joana the Holy Princess and you'll find her portrait, she of the doll-like face and flaming red hair. As usual I don't have much time, but regarding Portugal, England has always had excellent relations with the Portuguese and in fact it's one country with which we have never been at war! So a first-rate ally with no negative undercurrents. Most importantly, however, Princess Joana was the senior remaining unmarried female heir of the house of Lancaster (by which I mean legitimate heir), so if this marriage had taken place it would have united York with Lancaster, legitimately and peacefully.
Regards, Annette

----- Original Message -----
From: Carol Darling
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Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 5:01 PM
Subject: Johanna

Could someone provide a picture of Johanna and tell her lineage? Also, was was the political strategy in picking her, what would have been the benefit at that time of uniting with Portugal?

Check out this link: http://www.thefullwiki.org/Joana,_Princess_of_Portugal

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> Could someone provide a picture of Johanna and tell her lineage? Also, was was the political strategy in picking her, what would have been the benefit at that time of uniting with Portugal?
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