Impertinent

Those longer established on here than me (I.e. everyone) may consider this to be somewhat impertinent, but I pose the question anyway: why is there not a modern style Forum on this subject?

I understand that this is a free service provided by Yahoo and that Forum hosting costs; however I find the message history here very confusing. Surely with a Forum format it would be considerably easier to follow arguments, develop theories, upload photos etc?

I for one would be happy to contribute my fair share towards setting up a Forum. Would the R3 Soc assist? I note that there is (vaguely) a section on Historum, but I find the level of intellect, knowledge and research here superior by far.

For your thoughts. If you wish to shoot me down in flames, I'm fairly thick skinned! R

What do you mean by "modern style Forum"?

Pre-empting the information, I really like e-mails delivered to my
desktop. If a modern style Forum doesn't do that, I wouldn't want to
join it.

Best wishes
Christine

On 21/10/2012 18:29, greyowl55 wrote:
> Those longer established on here than me (I.e. everyone) may consider this to be somewhat impertinent, but I pose the question anyway: why is there not a modern style Forum on this subject?
>
> I understand that this is a free service provided by Yahoo and that Forum hosting costs; however I find the message history here very confusing. Surely with a Forum format it would be considerably easier to follow arguments, develop theories, upload photos etc?
>
> I for one would be happy to contribute my fair share towards setting up a Forum. Would the R3 Soc assist? I note that there is (vaguely) a section on Historum, but I find the level of intellect, knowledge and research here superior by far.
>
> For your thoughts. If you wish to shoot me down in flames, I'm fairly thick skinned! R
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
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--
Best wishes
Christine

Christine Headley
Butterrow, Stroud, Glos

My tuppence worth...If it ain't broke don't fix it....Eileen

--- In , Christine Headley <christinelheadley@...> wrote:
>
>
> What do you mean by "modern style Forum"?
>
> Pre-empting the information, I really like e-mails delivered to my
> desktop. If a modern style Forum doesn't do that, I wouldn't want to
> join it.
>
> Best wishes
> Christine
>
> On 21/10/2012 18:29, greyowl55 wrote:
> > Those longer established on here than me (I.e. everyone) may consider this to be somewhat impertinent, but I pose the question anyway: why is there not a modern style Forum on this subject?
> >
> > I understand that this is a free service provided by Yahoo and that Forum hosting costs; however I find the message history here very confusing. Surely with a Forum format it would be considerably easier to follow arguments, develop theories, upload photos etc?
> >
> > I for one would be happy to contribute my fair share towards setting up a Forum. Would the R3 Soc assist? I note that there is (vaguely) a section on Historum, but I find the level of intellect, knowledge and research here superior by far.
> >
> > For your thoughts. If you wish to shoot me down in flames, I'm fairly thick skinned! R
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Best wishes
> Christine
>
> Christine Headley
> Butterrow, Stroud, Glos
>

I'll second that. I don't care for the forum set-up. While it's easy
to follow one topic, it soon gets out of hand when you're trying to
follow all of them.

Gilda



On Oct 21, 2012, at 4:02 PM, EileenB wrote:

> My tuppence worth...If it ain't broke don't fix it....Eileen
>
> --- In , Christine Headley
> <christinelheadley@...> wrote:
>>
>>
>> What do you mean by "modern style Forum"?
>>
>> Pre-empting the information, I really like e-mails delivered to my
>> desktop. If a modern style Forum doesn't do that, I wouldn't want to
>> join it.
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Christine
>>
>> On 21/10/2012 18:29, greyowl55 wrote:
>>> Those longer established on here than me (I.e. everyone) may
>>> consider this to be somewhat impertinent, but I pose the question
>>> anyway: why is there not a modern style Forum on this subject?
>>>
>>> I understand that this is a free service provided by Yahoo and
>>> that Forum hosting costs; however I find the message history here
>>> very confusing. Surely with a Forum format it would be
>>> considerably easier to follow arguments, develop theories, upload
>>> photos etc?
>>>
>>> I for one would be happy to contribute my fair share towards
>>> setting up a Forum. Would the R3 Soc assist? I note that there is
>>> (vaguely) a section on Historum, but I find the level of
>>> intellect, knowledge and research here superior by far.
>>>
>>> For your thoughts. If you wish to shoot me down in flames, I'm
>>> fairly thick skinned! R
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Best wishes
>> Christine
>>
>> Christine Headley
>> Butterrow, Stroud, Glos
>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Oh dear...a vote maybe?

--- In , Gilda Felt <gildaevf@...> wrote:
>
> I'll second that. I don't care for the forum set-up. While it's easy
> to follow one topic, it soon gets out of hand when you're trying to
> follow all of them.
>
> Gilda
>
>
>
> On Oct 21, 2012, at 4:02 PM, EileenB wrote:
>
> > My tuppence worth...If it ain't broke don't fix it....Eileen
> >
> > --- In , Christine Headley
> > <christinelheadley@> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> What do you mean by "modern style Forum"?
> >>
> >> Pre-empting the information, I really like e-mails delivered to my
> >> desktop. If a modern style Forum doesn't do that, I wouldn't want to
> >> join it.
> >>
> >> Best wishes
> >> Christine
> >>
> >> On 21/10/2012 18:29, greyowl55 wrote:
> >>> Those longer established on here than me (I.e. everyone) may
> >>> consider this to be somewhat impertinent, but I pose the question
> >>> anyway: why is there not a modern style Forum on this subject?
> >>>
> >>> I understand that this is a free service provided by Yahoo and
> >>> that Forum hosting costs; however I find the message history here
> >>> very confusing. Surely with a Forum format it would be
> >>> considerably easier to follow arguments, develop theories, upload
> >>> photos etc?
> >>>
> >>> I for one would be happy to contribute my fair share towards
> >>> setting up a Forum. Would the R3 Soc assist? I note that there is
> >>> (vaguely) a section on Historum, but I find the level of
> >>> intellect, knowledge and research here superior by far.
> >>>
> >>> For your thoughts. If you wish to shoot me down in flames, I'm
> >>> fairly thick skinned! R
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ------------------------------------
> >>>
> >>> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Best wishes
> >> Christine
> >>
> >> Christine Headley
> >> Butterrow, Stroud, Glos
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>

Surly as this is a R3 Forum it should be written on velum and in old English French or Latin
I like many of my New World friends have not been discovered yet and will wait till the E1 forum starts :-/

In 1553
Respectfully
Your obedient servant
W Raleigh
Sent from my iPhone ( I borrowed one from Pochohantas)

On Oct 21, 2012, at 1:29 PM, "greyowl55" <greyowl55@...> wrote:

> Those longer established on here than me (I.e. everyone) may consider this to be somewhat impertinent, but I pose the question anyway: why is there not a modern style Forum on this subject?
>
> I understand that this is a free service provided by Yahoo and that Forum hosting costs; however I find the message history here very confusing. Surely with a Forum format it would be considerably easier to follow arguments, develop theories, upload photos etc?
>
> I for one would be happy to contribute my fair share towards setting up a Forum. Would the R3 Soc assist? I note that there is (vaguely) a section on Historum, but I find the level of intellect, knowledge and research here superior by far.
>
> For your thoughts. If you wish to shoot me down in flames, I'm fairly thick skinned! R
>
>

Surely.  We're in a fine mood, yes?
Sheffe




>________________________________
> From: George Butterfield <gbutterf1@...>
>To: "" <>
>Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 4:24 PM
>Subject: Re: Impertinent
>
>
> 
>Surly as this is a R3 Forum it should be written on velum and in old English French or Latin
>I like many of my New World friends have not been discovered yet and will wait till the E1 forum starts :-/
>
>In 1553
>Respectfully
>Your obedient servant
>W Raleigh
>Sent from my iPhone ( I borrowed one from Pochohantas)
>
>On Oct 21, 2012, at 1:29 PM, "greyowl55" <greyowl55@...> wrote:
>
>> Those longer established on here than me (I.e. everyone) may consider this to be somewhat impertinent, but I pose the question anyway: why is there not a modern style Forum on this subject?
>>
>> I understand that this is a free service provided by Yahoo and that Forum hosting costs; however I find the message history here very confusing. Surely with a Forum format it would be considerably easier to follow arguments, develop theories, upload photos etc?
>>
>> I for one would be happy to contribute my fair share towards setting up a Forum. Would the R3 Soc assist? I note that there is (vaguely) a section on Historum, but I find the level of intellect, knowledge and research here superior by far.
>>
>> For your thoughts. If you wish to shoot me down in flames, I'm fairly thick skinned! R
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Thank you for your responses, each of which I fully understand.

I simply make the point that the format of this Group (and I was a member very early on and left out of frustration)has not changed in 12 years.

Technological and software advances in that time have created platforms that are considerably more user friendly - for the user and for the group as a whole. R.

I am new in terms of actually signing up, but have been reading posts for a few months before I took the plunge and for my two pence, think the forum is fine.




________________________________
From: greyowl55 <greyowl55@...>
To:
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 10:49 PM
Subject: Re: Impertinent


 

Thank you for your responses, each of which I fully understand.

I simply make the point that the format of this Group (and I was a member very early on and left out of frustration)has not changed in 12 years.

Technological and software advances in that time have created platforms that are considerably more user friendly - for the user and for the group as a whole. R.

I'm a member of a few yahoo group forums and I tend to agree with greyowl.
They can be a little clunky and outdated.

Karen

From: Brittany Wynter <brittania97@...>
Reply-To: <>
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 00:26:38 -0700 (PDT)
To: ""
<>
Subject: Re: Re: Impertinent






I am new in terms of actually signing up, but have been reading posts for a
few months before I took the plunge and for my two pence, think the forum is
fine.

________________________________
From: greyowl55 <greyowl55@... <mailto:greyowl55%40yahoo.co.uk> >
To:
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 10:49 PM
Subject: Re: Impertinent




Thank you for your responses, each of which I fully understand.

I simply make the point that the format of this Group (and I was a member
very early on and left out of frustration)has not changed in 12 years.

Technological and software advances in that time have created platforms that
are considerably more user friendly - for the user and for the group as a
whole. R.

Hi, Karen, Greyowl, & Everyone -

I am also a re-joiner to this Forum (thanks in large part to the recent
exciting developments in Leicester) and also to the Society.



Regarding the format of this forum - I'm fine with it as it is, as long as
members trim previous messages and change subject lines as appropriate. I'm
often guilty with a lot of other people to follow the guidelines.



But what I do like about this format is that all list messages come to my
inbox. If I want to delete some, I can do so. They are also available in
Digest form, or on the web only. I dislike "message boards," because, even
though messages are organized by thread, it means you've got to go to a
website and search individual threads. A hassle, and while I will do it once
in a great while, I've never succeeded in staying active on a message board
that uses that format.



If you are thinking of something other than the type of message board I've
described, greyowl, maybe you could give us a more concrete example?



Johanne

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From:
[mailto:] On Behalf Of Karen Clark
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 4:47 AM
To:
Subject: Re: Re: Impertinent





I'm a member of a few yahoo group forums and I tend to agree with greyowl.
They can be a little clunky and outdated.

Karen

From: Brittany Wynter <brittania97@...
<mailto:brittania97%40yahoo.com> >
Reply-To: <
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> >
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 00:26:38 -0700 (PDT)
To: "
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> "
<
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> >
Subject: Re: Re: Impertinent

I am new in terms of actually signing up, but have been reading posts for a
few months before I took the plunge and for my two pence, think the forum is
fine.

________________________________
From: greyowl55 <greyowl55@... <mailto:greyowl55%40yahoo.co.uk>
<mailto:greyowl55%40yahoo.co.uk> >
To:
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 10:49 PM
Subject: Re: Impertinent




Thank you for your responses, each of which I fully understand.

I simply make the point that the format of this Group (and I was a member
very early on and left out of frustration)has not changed in 12 years.

Technological and software advances in that time have created platforms that
are considerably more user friendly - for the user and for the group as a
whole. R.

Johanne,

Thanks - what you describe is exactly I mean. Most Forums have a 'what's new' button which will bring up everything new since you last logged on, and a facility to be informed by e mail if there are any posts in relation to a thread you are 'watching'.

Still, I understand this is not everyone's cup of tea and I bow to the majority view. I am content to have aired the matter.

Actually, you may have unintentionally suggested a reasonable compromise; if people were to strip off all the extra bits and pieces when posting, the whole thread would be more intelligible. A reply quoting a reply quoting a previous reply ad infinitum becomes information overload and is confusing.

Thank you all for at least considering the matter.

Richard.

I prefer this format. Just because the format is 12 years old does
not mean it is inadequate. I like having emails delivered right to my
inbox. Logging in to a separate forum every day and then poring through
multiple threads is a hassle and something I am not likely to do.

Linda
--- In , "greyowl55"
<greyowl55@...> wrote:
>
> Thank you for your responses, each of which I fully understand.
>
> I simply make the point that the format of this Group (and I was a
member very early on and left out of frustration)has not changed in 12
years.
>
> Technological and software advances in that time have created
platforms that are considerably more user friendly - for the user and
for the group as a whole. R.

--- In , "asphodellynwormwood" <asphodellynwormwood@...> wrote:
>
> I prefer this format. Just because the format is 12 years old does
> not mean it is inadequate. I like having emails delivered right to my
> inbox. Logging in to a separate forum every day and then poring through
> multiple threads is a hassle and something I am not likely to do.
>
> Linda


I also like this format, but for the exact opposite reason. I prefer logging into this group and reading the posts here rather than having them arrive via email, all disconnected.

Katy

I agree Katy...

--- In , "oregon_katy" <oregon_katy@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In , "asphodellynwormwood" <asphodellynwormwood@> wrote:
> >
> > I prefer this format. Just because the format is 12 years old does
> > not mean it is inadequate. I like having emails delivered right to my
> > inbox. Logging in to a separate forum every day and then poring through
> > multiple threads is a hassle and something I am not likely to do.
> >
> > Linda
>
>
> I also like this format, but for the exact opposite reason. I prefer logging into this group and reading the posts here rather than having them arrive via email, all disconnected.
>
> Katy
>

--- In , "oregon_katy" <oregon_katy@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In , "asphodellynwormwood" <asphodellynwormwood@> wrote:
> >
> > I prefer this format. Just because the format is 12 years old does
> > not mean it is inadequate. I like having emails delivered right to my
> > inbox. Logging in to a separate forum every day and then poring through
> > multiple threads is a hassle and something I am not likely to do.
> >
> > Linda
>
>
> I also like this format, but for the exact opposite reason. I prefer logging into this group and reading the posts here rather than having them arrive via email, all disconnected.
>
> Katy
>


Same here. And it's not usually as hard as this to keep up with the posts - we've been a bit busy since August for some strange reason....
Marie

Christine Headley <christinelheadley@...> wrote:
>
> What do you mean by "modern style Forum"?
>
> Pre-empting the information, I really like e-mails delivered to my
> desktop. If a modern style Forum doesn't do that, I wouldn't want to join it.

Carol responds:

Funny thing. I really like reading the messages on the site and (not* having them clutter my e-mail. This forum gives us that option. (I do think that it's hard to follow a thread when people top-post, which is why I set my posts up as a conversation and snip the trail of old posts, but that's just my particular preference.)

BTW, R. (Richard?), Yahoo tried to force this forum to use a Facebook-style format and everyone hated it so much that we resorted to using Google groups for awhile. Luckily, Yahoo relented and allowed us to retain our familiar (if outdated!) format. I for one can't abide Facebook and find it impossible to follow a conversation there.

Carol

Gilda Felt wrote:
> >
<snip> I don't care for the forum set-up. While it's easy to follow one topic, it soon gets out of hand when you're trying to follow all of them.

Carol responds:

It's probably easier if you read the messages from the website rather than from your e-mail. Or would be if we'd all remember to change the subject line when the topic changes! (And, yes, I'm including myself in "we.")

Just a suggestion!

Carol

--- In ,
>
> Gilda Felt wrote:
> > >
> <snip> I don't care for the forum set-up. While it's easy to follow one topic, it soon gets out of hand when you're trying to follow all of them.

>

I have lurked here recently (although I am a very long-standing member of the Society) and have only just this month joined the forum but really I find it a nightmare to navigate here (and I have been member (or admin) of a variety of different styles of forums and message boards over the last dozen years and more). I don't wish to push for a change because it takes a phenomenal amount of consultation and then background work to swap to another platform but I think it might be noted that at least a few people find it difficult to follow the conversations here when the strings of sub-quotes are so long in each post.

The Forum is neither outdated nor difficult to understand, however if you only use your e-mail as your main point of contact with the Forum then, by way of the attributes of the e-mail programs it will pull in all and every email

(its OK if you are ADHD but if you are OCD hard luck!)
I would suggest that those of you who find keeping track difficult copy this to your browser and use the easy to understand discussion format

http://groups.yahoo.com/group//

If, like me you have various devices then it will work cross platform although you need a "smart phone"
Regards
George
( Sadly my degree was in electronics not history, so I have a lot of catching up to do :-( )

--- In , colyngbourne <no_reply@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In ,
> >
> > Gilda Felt wrote:
> > > >
> > <snip> I don't care for the forum set-up. While it's easy to follow one topic, it soon gets out of hand when you're trying to follow all of them.
>
> >
>
> I have lurked here recently (although I am a very long-standing member of the Society) and have only just this month joined the forum but really I find it a nightmare to navigate here (and I have been member (or admin) of a variety of different styles of forums and message boards over the last dozen years and more). I don't wish to push for a change because it takes a phenomenal amount of consultation and then background work to swap to another platform but I think it might be noted that at least a few people find it difficult to follow the conversations here when the strings of sub-quotes are so long in each post.
>

I agree, although I have gotten used to this group being what it is and it tends to go through long quiet periods which would kill off a forum. Message boardstyle forums are usually best suited for large and consistently active communities. I qualify that only with my own experiences administering a 6000+ member forum for a few years, they can also be a lot of work to maintain and moderate.

For those that prefer a forum style format you could check out the Sharon Kay Penman facebook group, there is often a lot of Richard III related discussion.

Melanie

--- In , Karen Clark <Ragged_staff@...> wrote:
>
> I'm a member of a few yahoo group forums and I tend to agree with greyowl.
> They can be a little clunky and outdated.
>
> Karen

I think it comes down to age...

;)

--- In , "greyowl55" <greyowl55@...> wrote:
>
> Those longer established on here than me (I.e. everyone) may consider this to be somewhat impertinent, but I pose the question anyway: why is there not a modern style Forum on this subject?
>
> I understand that this is a free service provided by Yahoo and that Forum hosting costs; however I find the message history here very confusing. Surely with a Forum format it would be considerably easier to follow arguments, develop theories, upload photos etc?
>
> I for one would be happy to contribute my fair share towards setting up a Forum. Would the R3 Soc assist? I note that there is (vaguely) a section on Historum, but I find the level of intellect, knowledge and research here superior by far.
>
> For your thoughts. If you wish to shoot me down in flames, I'm fairly thick skinned! R
>

Those longer established on here than me (I.e. everyone) may consider this
to be somewhat impertinent, but I pose the question anyway: why is there not
a modern style Forum on this subject?



Age is purely a mind thing I know of many young 70ish and lots of old 20ish
people.

However we do appear to be caught in a Groundhog Day sort of situation if
you take a look at prior messages then a lot of Deja-View going on in this
forum it is a very interesting mix of Academia , Interested Amateurs,
Editors for People or Sun Magazine and like me a Yorkshireman living in the
USA intrigued with the current archeology of supposedly R3.

Like all discussions there are way left and way right of center with the
truth in Richards case mainly untold and unrecorded by an unbiased writer.
Even the battlefield appears to have been " misplaced" and poor R3 having
been lost under a car park is awaiting his fate in a lab!

I wait with baited breath for the next thrilling installment

As they say locally " have a nice day"

George





http://groups.yahoo.com/group//







http://www.r3.org/intro.html

The 2 HTTP links above are direct links to the UK and USA Richard 3 forums
they should present no problems in tracking messages if you save and open
the site on a browser or smart phone if you get mail directly delivered
to your mailbox from a forum you will get everything in whatever order it is
received and can be confusing.



From:
[mailto:] On Behalf Of
blancsanglier1452
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 2:14 PM
To:
Subject: Re: Impertinent





I think it comes down to age...

;)

--- In
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> , "greyowl55"
<greyowl55@...> wrote:
>
> Those longer established on here than me (I.e. everyone) may consider this
to be somewhat impertinent, but I pose the question anyway: why is there not
a modern style Forum on this subject?
>
> I understand that this is a free service provided by Yahoo and that Forum
hosting costs; however I find the message history here very confusing.
Surely with a Forum format it would be considerably easier to follow
arguments, develop theories, upload photos etc?
>
> I for one would be happy to contribute my fair share towards setting up a
Forum. Would the R3 Soc assist? I note that there is (vaguely) a section on
Historum, but I find the level of intellect, knowledge and research here
superior by far.
>
> For your thoughts. If you wish to shoot me down in flames, I'm fairly
thick skinned! R
>