Richard's Burial Place decided

Hi All, Does anyone know if the newspaper report that a decision has been made that Richard will definately be buried in Leicester is true.
Christine, a very upset Christine.

Please do not get upset Christine...I read it in the Daily Mail! You know what that means...it could be rubbish..
Can I ask you Christine...where your own personal choice would be? Eileen

--- In , "christineholmes651@..." <christineholmes651@...> wrote:
>
> Hi All, Does anyone know if the newspaper report that a decision has been made that Richard will definately be buried in Leicester is true.
> Christine, a very upset Christine.
>

Christine,
 
For what its worth, I'm upset about it as well.  The reports have been conflicting with no results until January, then November, then back again to January.  Nothing should have been said if these bones may have been Richard or not until all tests were completed, but in having said that, the media has done its best to hype this up and out of proportion.  In the end, one person loses and it is Richard.



________________________________
From: "christineholmes651@..." <christineholmes651@...>
To:
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 9:38 AM
Subject: Richard's Burial Place decided


 

Hi All, Does anyone know if the newspaper report that a decision has been made that Richard will definately be buried in Leicester is true.
Christine, a very upset Christine.

Hi Eileen, My choice would be Richard's choice which if we look at his negotiating with Yorks Minster for the chantry chapel for him and his family to me says his choice was York
As a Yorkshire woman and a member of the society main I am also a member of the Yorkshire branch, we in the Yorkshire branch would prefer York Minster as a fitting place for our King Richard
Christine
Best Wishes



________________________________
From: EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@...>
To:
Sent: Sunday, 28 October 2012, 16:45
Subject: Re: Richard's Burial Place decided


 

Please do not get upset Christine...I read it in the Daily Mail! You know what that means...it could be rubbish..
Can I ask you Christine...where your own personal choice would be? Eileen

--- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, "christineholmes651@..." <christineholmes651@...> wrote:
>
> Hi All, Does anyone know if the newspaper report that a decision has been made that Richard will definately be buried in Leicester is true.
> Christine, a very upset Christine.
>

Hi Christine...I understand how you feel....I don't like to think about you feeling upset
Eileen

--- In , C HOLMES <christineholmes651@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Eileen, My choice would be Richard's choice which if we look at his negotiating with Yorks Minster for the chantry chapel for him and his family to me says his choice was York
> As a Yorkshire woman and a member of the society main I am also a member of the Yorkshire branch, we in the Yorkshire branch would prefer York Minster as a fitting place for our King Richard
> Christine
> Best Wishes
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@...>
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, 28 October 2012, 16:45
> Subject: Re: Richard's Burial Place decided
>
>
>  
>
> Please do not get upset Christine...I read it in the Daily Mail! You know what that means...it could be rubbish..
> Can I ask you Christine...where your own personal choice would be? Eileen
>
> --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, "christineholmes651@" <christineholmes651@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi All, Does anyone know if the newspaper report that a decision has been made that Richard will definately be buried in Leicester is true.
> > Christine, a very upset Christine.
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>

--- In , "christineholmes651@..." <christineholmes651@...> wrote:
>
> Hi All, Does anyone know if the newspaper report that a decision has been made that Richard will definately be buried in Leicester is true.
> Christine, a very upset Christine.
>
Hi again all I have just emailed press officer of the society and the mail article is a load of old do da if you know what I mean
Action is going to be taken.
Christine

Hi All dont know if my last message got through.
Just to let you know that the mail newspaper is a load of old doda if you know what I mean.
I have contacted the society press officer and action will be taken re the article by the society contacting the editor.
Best Wishes to All
God Bless Richard.
PS we all know what the media is like, Richard had his problems with it.

Hi, Eileen & Christine –

Surely there must be some way to confirm if that story is accurate or not?
If it was a decision of some minister or other, there must be a record or
reports elsewhere?



Query – if Richard (if it is he – fingers crossed) is to be reburied, might
it be possible to reinter Queen Anne by his side? Surely that would have
been his wish also. And perhaps also Edward of Middleham if his grave can be
located.



Johanne

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Email - jltournier60@...

or jltournier@...



"With God, all things are possible."

- Jesus of Nazareth

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From:
[mailto:] On Behalf Of EileenB
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 2:31 PM
To:
Subject: Re: Richard's Burial Place decided





Hi Christine...I understand how you feel....I don't like to think about you
feeling upset
Eileen

--- In
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> , C HOLMES
<christineholmes651@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Eileen, My choice would be Richard's choice which if we look at his
negotiating with Yorks Minster for the chantry chapel for him and his family
to me says his choice was York
> As a Yorkshire woman and a member of the society main I am also a member
of the Yorkshire branch, we in the Yorkshire branch would prefer York
Minster as a fitting place for our King Richard
> Christine
> Best Wishes
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@...>
> To:
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, 28 October 2012, 16:45
> Subject: Re: Richard's Burial Place decided
>
>
> Â
>
> Please do not get upset Christine...I read it in the Daily Mail! You know
what that means...it could be rubbish..
> Can I ask you Christine...where your own personal choice would be? Eileen
>
> --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com,
"christineholmes651@" <christineholmes651@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi All, Does anyone know if the newspaper report that a decision has
been made that Richard will definately be buried in Leicester is true.
> > Christine, a very upset Christine.
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>

I don't think they know where Anne is exactly...They know the area..roughly south of the alter and around the doorway/sedilia leading into St Edward's chapel. They did find a lead coffin with the name Queen Anne on it many years ago but they were not sure if it was Queen Anne Neville or Anne of Cleaves who was also buried south of the alter and it was left undisturbed. But sure it would be wonderful if they could do a search and rebury Anne with Richard. I think every married couple would wish to be buried together. Whether this would entail digging up the
ground etc., I don't think the Abbey would be prepared to do so...do you? Just an impression I get. Eileen

--- In , Johanne Tournier <jltournier60@...> wrote:
>
> Hi, Eileen & Christine –
>
> Surely there must be some way to confirm if that story is accurate or not?
> If it was a decision of some minister or other, there must be a record or
> reports elsewhere?
>
>
>
> Query – if Richard (if it is he – fingers crossed) is to be reburied, might
> it be possible to reinter Queen Anne by his side? Surely that would have
> been his wish also. And perhaps also Edward of Middleham if his grave can be
> located.
>
>
>
> Johanne
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Johanne L. Tournier
>
>
>
> Email - jltournier60@...
>
> or jltournier@...
>
>
>
> "With God, all things are possible."
>
> - Jesus of Nazareth
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
>
> From:
> [mailto:] On Behalf Of EileenB
> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 2:31 PM
> To:
> Subject: Re: Richard's Burial Place decided
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Christine...I understand how you feel....I don't like to think about you
> feeling upset
> Eileen
>
> --- In
> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> , C HOLMES
> <christineholmes651@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Eileen, My choice would be Richard's choice which if we look at his
> negotiating with Yorks Minster for the chantry chapel for him and his family
> to me says his choice was York
> > As a Yorkshire woman and a member of the society main I am also a member
> of the Yorkshire branch, we in the Yorkshire branch would prefer York
> Minster as a fitting place for our King Richard
> > Christine
> > Best Wishes
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@>
> > To:
> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, 28 October 2012, 16:45
> > Subject: Re: Richard's Burial Place decided
> >
> >
> > Â
> >
> > Please do not get upset Christine...I read it in the Daily Mail! You know
> what that means...it could be rubbish..
> > Can I ask you Christine...where your own personal choice would be? Eileen
> >
> > --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com,
> "christineholmes651@" <christineholmes651@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi All, Does anyone know if the newspaper report that a decision has
> been made that Richard will definately be buried in Leicester is true.
> > > Christine, a very upset Christine.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

What the DM has printed an inaccurate story?  I am shocked (not). 
 
Although personally I'll be delighted if he's buried in Leicester - although "anywhere but the Abbey" is the important thing.



________________________________
From: "christineholmes651@..." <christineholmes651@...>
To:
Sent: Sunday, 28 October 2012, 17:45
Subject: Re: Richard's Burial Place decided

 


--- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, "christineholmes651@..." <christineholmes651@...> wrote:
>
> Hi All, Does anyone know if the newspaper report that a decision has been made that Richard will definately be buried in Leicester is true.
> Christine, a very upset Christine.
>
Hi again all I have just emailed press officer of the society and the mail article is a load of old do da if you know what I mean
Action is going to be taken.
Christine

I don't think Richard would want to be buried with Anne of Cleves .......
 
There's quite a lot of people buried down there.  i really think the Abbbey should try and properly work out who is where, although of course I suppose it would cost and they don't have the money (which is why they charge entrance fees and annoy people).  The cost of just the general upkeep of the building is horrendous and that is of course more important than identifying who is who (whom?).


________________________________
From: EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@...>
To:
Sent: Sunday, 28 October 2012, 18:26
Subject: Re: Richard's Burial Place decided

 
I don't think they know where Anne is exactly...They know the area..roughly south of the alter and around the doorway/sedilia leading into St Edward's chapel. They did find a lead coffin with the name Queen Anne on it many years ago but they were not sure if it was Queen Anne Neville or Anne of Cleaves who was also buried south of the alter and it was left undisturbed. But sure it would be wonderful if they could do a search and rebury Anne with Richard. I think every married couple would wish to be buried together. Whether this would entail digging up the
ground etc., I don't think the Abbey would be prepared to do so...do you? Just an impression I get. Eileen

--- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, Johanne Tournier <jltournier60@...> wrote:
>
> Hi, Eileen & Christine 
>
> Surely there must be some way to confirm if that story is accurate or not?
> If it was a decision of some minister or other, there must be a record or
> reports elsewhere?
>
>
>
> Query  if Richard (if it is he  fingers crossed) is to be reburied, might
> it be possible to reinter Queen Anne by his side? Surely that would have
> been his wish also. And perhaps also Edward of Middleham if his grave can be
> located.
>
>
>
> Johanne
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Johanne L. Tournier
>
>
>
> Email - jltournier60@...
>
> or jltournier@...
>
>
>
> "With God, all things are possible."
>
> - Jesus of Nazareth
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
>
> From: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:mailto:%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of EileenB
> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 2:31 PM
> To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: Richard's Burial Place decided
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Christine...I understand how you feel....I don't like to think about you
> feeling upset
> Eileen
>
> --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> , C HOLMES
> <christineholmes651@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Eileen, My choice would be Richard's choice which if we look at his
> negotiating with Yorks Minster for the chantry chapel for him and his family
> to me says his choice was York
> > As a Yorkshire woman and a member of the society main I am also a member
> of the Yorkshire branch, we in the Yorkshire branch would prefer York
> Minster as a fitting place for our King Richard
> > Christine
> > Best Wishes
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@>
> > To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, 28 October 2012, 16:45
> > Subject: Re: Richard's Burial Place decided
> >
> >
> > Â
> >
> > Please do not get upset Christine...I read it in the Daily Mail! You know
> what that means...it could be rubbish..
> > Can I ask you Christine...where your own personal choice would be? Eileen
> >
> > --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com,
> "christineholmes651@" <christineholmes651@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi All, Does anyone know if the newspaper report that a decision has
> been made that Richard will definately be buried in Leicester is true.
> > > Christine, a very upset Christine.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Liz ..Well if it is a question of them just opening a vault, to cut costs, we could always volunteer to get lowered down and have a root around...I have no fear....well as long as it was well lit and you held my hand...What could possibly go wrong....Eileen

--- In , liz williams <ferrymansdaughter@...> wrote:
>
> I don't think Richard would want to be buried with Anne of Cleves .......
>  
> There's quite a lot of people buried down there.  i really think the Abbbey should try and properly work out who is where, although of course I suppose it would cost and they don't have the money (which is why they charge entrance fees and annoy people).  The cost of just the general upkeep of the building is horrendous and that is of course more important than identifying who is who (whom?).
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@...>
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, 28 October 2012, 18:26
> Subject: Re: Richard's Burial Place decided
>
>  
> I don't think they know where Anne is exactly...They know the area..roughly south of the alter and around the doorway/sedilia leading into St Edward's chapel. They did find a lead coffin with the name Queen Anne on it many years ago but they were not sure if it was Queen Anne Neville or Anne of Cleaves who was also buried south of the alter and it was left undisturbed. But sure it would be wonderful if they could do a search and rebury Anne with Richard. I think every married couple would wish to be buried together. Whether this would entail digging up the
> ground etc., I don't think the Abbey would be prepared to do so...do you? Just an impression I get. Eileen
>
> --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, Johanne Tournier <jltournier60@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi, Eileen & Christine â€"
> >
> > Surely there must be some way to confirm if that story is accurate or not?
> > If it was a decision of some minister or other, there must be a record or
> > reports elsewhere?
> >
> >
> >
> > Query â€" if Richard (if it is he â€" fingers crossed) is to be reburied, might
> > it be possible to reinter Queen Anne by his side? Surely that would have
> > been his wish also. And perhaps also Edward of Middleham if his grave can be
> > located.
> >
> >
> >
> > Johanne
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> > Johanne L. Tournier
> >
> >
> >
> > Email - jltournier60@
> >
> > or jltournier@
> >
> >
> >
> > "With God, all things are possible."
> >
> > - Jesus of Nazareth
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> >
> >
> > From: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:mailto:%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of EileenB
> > Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 2:31 PM
> > To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: Richard's Burial Place decided
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Christine...I understand how you feel....I don't like to think about you
> > feeling upset
> > Eileen
> >
> > --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> , C HOLMES
> > <christineholmes651@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Eileen, My choice would be Richard's choice which if we look at his
> > negotiating with Yorks Minster for the chantry chapel for him and his family
> > to me says his choice was York
> > > As a Yorkshire woman and a member of the society main I am also a member
> > of the Yorkshire branch, we in the Yorkshire branch would prefer York
> > Minster as a fitting place for our King Richard
> > > Christine
> > > Best Wishes
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@>
> > > To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, 28 October 2012, 16:45
> > > Subject: Re: Richard's Burial Place decided
> > >
> > >
> > > Â
> > >
> > > Please do not get upset Christine...I read it in the Daily Mail! You know
> > what that means...it could be rubbish..
> > > Can I ask you Christine...where your own personal choice would be? Eileen
> > >
> > > --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com,
> > "christineholmes651@" <christineholmes651@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi All, Does anyone know if the newspaper report that a decision has
> > been made that Richard will definately be buried in Leicester is true.
> > > > Christine, a very upset Christine.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>

Hey, plus ca change, plus ca meme chose, Christine! :-)



But it does make you wonder how they can put out something so egregiously
wrong. Glad the Society is taking quick action. Good that you contacted Ms.
Moorhen.



Johanne



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Johanne L. Tournier



Email - jltournier60@...

or jltournier@...



"With God, all things are possible."

- Jesus of Nazareth

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



From:
[mailto:] On Behalf Of C HOLMES
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 3:05 PM
To:
Subject: Re: Re: Richard's Burial Place decided





Hi All dont know if my last message got through.
Just to let you know that the mail newspaper is a load of old doda if you
know what I mean.
I have contacted the society press officer and action will be taken re the
article by the society contacting the editor.
Best Wishes to All
God Bless Richard.
PS we all know what the media is like, Richard had his problems with it.

Dear Christine,

> My choice would be Richard's choice which if we look at his
> negotiating with York Minster for the chantry chapel for him and
> his family to me says his choice was York


Absolutely right.

best wishes,
Marianne

I would suggest that whoever our skeleton is would prefer a better burial than under a City car park and if found to beR3 would be reburied with the full respect a former King of England could expect.
Matching deceased people together for eternity in death may not be what the deceased want,how do we know?
It's a difficult question to answer Henry VIII would have a line of wives next to him most would certainly not rest in peace! It's too near Halloween !

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 28, 2012, at 2:40 PM, liz williams <ferrymansdaughter@...> wrote:

> I don't think Richard would want to be buried with Anne of Cleves .......
>
> There's quite a lot of people buried down there. i really think the Abbbey should try and properly work out who is where, although of course I suppose it would cost and they don't have the money (which is why they charge entrance fees and annoy people). The cost of just the general upkeep of the building is horrendous and that is of course more important than identifying who is who (whom?).
>
> ________________________________
> From: EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@...>
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, 28 October 2012, 18:26
> Subject: Re: Richard's Burial Place decided
>
>
> I don't think they know where Anne is exactly...They know the area..roughly south of the alter and around the doorway/sedilia leading into St Edward's chapel. They did find a lead coffin with the name Queen Anne on it many years ago but they were not sure if it was Queen Anne Neville or Anne of Cleaves who was also buried south of the alter and it was left undisturbed. But sure it would be wonderful if they could do a search and rebury Anne with Richard. I think every married couple would wish to be buried together. Whether this would entail digging up the
> ground etc., I don't think the Abbey would be prepared to do so...do you? Just an impression I get. Eileen
>
> --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, Johanne Tournier <jltournier60@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi, Eileen & Christine 
> >
> > Surely there must be some way to confirm if that story is accurate or not?
> > If it was a decision of some minister or other, there must be a record or
> > reports elsewhere?
> >
> >
> >
> > Query  if Richard (if it is he  fingers crossed) is to be reburied, might
> > it be possible to reinter Queen Anne by his side? Surely that would have
> > been his wish also. And perhaps also Edward of Middleham if his grave can be
> > located.
> >
> >
> >
> > Johanne
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> > Johanne L. Tournier
> >
> >
> >
> > Email - jltournier60@...
> >
> > or jltournier@...
> >
> >
> >
> > "With God, all things are possible."
> >
> > - Jesus of Nazareth
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> >
> >
> > From: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:mailto:%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of EileenB
> > Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 2:31 PM
> > To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: Richard's Burial Place decided
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Christine...I understand how you feel....I don't like to think about you
> > feeling upset
> > Eileen
> >
> > --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> , C HOLMES
> > <christineholmes651@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Eileen, My choice would be Richard's choice which if we look at his
> > negotiating with Yorks Minster for the chantry chapel for him and his family
> > to me says his choice was York
> > > As a Yorkshire woman and a member of the society main I am also a member
> > of the Yorkshire branch, we in the Yorkshire branch would prefer York
> > Minster as a fitting place for our King Richard
> > > Christine
> > > Best Wishes
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@>
> > > To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, 28 October 2012, 16:45
> > > Subject: Re: Richard's Burial Place decided
> > >
> > >
> > > Â
> > >
> > > Please do not get upset Christine...I read it in the Daily Mail! You know
> > what that means...it could be rubbish..
> > > Can I ask you Christine...where your own personal choice would be? Eileen
> > >
> > > --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com,
> > "christineholmes651@" <christineholmes651@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi All, Does anyone know if the newspaper report that a decision has
> > been made that Richard will definately be buried in Leicester is true.
> > > > Christine, a very upset Christine.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>

From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of liz williams
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 3:41 PM
To:
Subject: Re: Re: Richard's Burial Place decided



Hi, Liz 



You wrote 

I don't think Richard would want to be buried with Anne of Cleves .......



[JLT] <snort> Good thing I wasn't drinking coffee!



You wrote -
There's quite a lot of people buried down there.

[JLT] Sounds like an interment tenement! You'd think they would be happy to move some of the dear departed out of there.



You wrote -

i really think the Abbbey should try and properly work out who is where, although of course I suppose it would cost and they don't have the money (which is why they charge entrance fees and annoy people). The cost of just the general upkeep of the building is horrendous and that is of course more important than identifying who is who (whom?).

[JLT] It must be rather embarrassing for them. To distinguish between the two Queen Anne's would seem to me to not be that difficult, with DNA and especially the test they mentioned using on Richard, where they can determine the region the person hailed from. Anne of Cleves was from Germany, whereas Anne Neville was from  where?  I would presume her childhood was spent primarily at Middleham and in the Midlands. Perhaps they could even distinguish by the style of the coffin, if the body is interred in coffin.



Johanne





~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Johanne L. Tournier



Email - jltournier60@...

or jltournier@...



"With God, all things are possible."

- Jesus of Nazareth

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Dear Liz,

> What the DM has printed an inaccurate story? I am shocked (not).


Quite. It's the Daily Mule, so far to the right of Attila the Hun
that it's off the spectrum...

cheers,
Marianne

Hear hear




________________________________
From: Dr M M Gilchrist <[email protected]>
To:
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 12:35 PM
Subject: Re: Richard's Burial Place decided


 

Dear Christine,

> My choice would be Richard's choice which if we look at his
> negotiating with York Minster for the chantry chapel for him and
> his family to me says his choice was York

Absolutely right.

best wishes,
Marianne

Dear Liz,

> I don't think Richard would want to be buried with Anne of
> Cleves .......


I don't know: nice, sensible girl that she was, I think they'd make a
lovely couple, bar the time-gap!

> There's quite a lot of people buried down there. i really think
> the Abbbey should try and properly work out who is where, although
> of course I suppose it would cost and they don't have the money
> (which is why they charge entrance fees and annoy people). The
> cost of just the general upkeep of the building is horrendous and
> that is of course more important than identifying who is who (whom?).

Yes, this is why I think they need a proper Plantagenet (and Others)
Project, on the lines of the Medici Palaeopathology Project. The
costs could be offset by what it would earn in publications, research
grants it would attract & c.

best wishes,
Marianne

I believe Fat Henry is buried at Windsor with Jane Seymour......Jane didnt live long enough for him to get him annoyed/bored with her.....
--- In , Dr M M Gilchrist <docm@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Liz,
>
> > I don't think Richard would want to be buried with Anne of
> > Cleves .......
>
>
> I don't know: nice, sensible girl that she was, I think they'd make a
> lovely couple, bar the time-gap!
>
> > There's quite a lot of people buried down there. i really think
> > the Abbbey should try and properly work out who is where, although
> > of course I suppose it would cost and they don't have the money
> > (which is why they charge entrance fees and annoy people). The
> > cost of just the general upkeep of the building is horrendous and
> > that is of course more important than identifying who is who (whom?).
>
> Yes, this is why I think they need a proper Plantagenet (and Others)
> Project, on the lines of the Medici Palaeopathology Project. The
> costs could be offset by what it would earn in publications, research
> grants it would attract & c.
>
> best wishes,
> Marianne
>

I remember seeing a historian explain this. He said that Henry couln't be buried with Anne Boleyn or Catherine Howard because they were both traitors and executed as such. Katherine of Aragon, poor woman, well according to Henry they were never married in the first place. Anne of Cleves and Katherine Parr both survived him (just). Which leves Jane Seymour.

Anne





To:
From: cherryripe.eileenb@...
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2012 19:49:46 +0000
Subject: Re: Richard's Burial Place decided





I believe Fat Henry is buried at Windsor with Jane Seymour......Jane didnt live long enough for him to get him annoyed/bored with her.....
--- In , Dr M M Gilchrist <docm@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Liz,
>
> > I don't think Richard would want to be buried with Anne of
> > Cleves .......
>
>
> I don't know: nice, sensible girl that she was, I think they'd make a
> lovely couple, bar the time-gap!
>
> > There's quite a lot of people buried down there. i really think
> > the Abbbey should try and properly work out who is where, although
> > of course I suppose it would cost and they don't have the money
> > (which is why they charge entrance fees and annoy people). The
> > cost of just the general upkeep of the building is horrendous and
> > that is of course more important than identifying who is who (whom?).
>
> Yes, this is why I think they need a proper Plantagenet (and Others)
> Project, on the lines of the Medici Palaeopathology Project. The
> costs could be offset by what it would earn in publications, research
> grants it would attract & c.
>
> best wishes,
> Marianne
>

Katherine Parr had remarried and died in childbirth. Katherine is buried at Sudeley Castle.
Her coffin was found in a field yonks ago and she now lies in a beautiful tomb in the chapel there.. Eileen


--- In , Anne Milton <wobblydog1@...> wrote:
>
>
> I remember seeing a historian explain this. He said that Henry couln't be buried with Anne Boleyn or Catherine Howard because they were both traitors and executed as such. Katherine of Aragon, poor woman, well according to Henry they were never married in the first place. Anne of Cleves and Katherine Parr both survived him (just). Which leves Jane Seymour.
>
> Anne
>
>
>
>
>
> To:
> From: cherryripe.eileenb@...
> Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2012 19:49:46 +0000
> Subject: Re: Richard's Burial Place decided
>
>
>
>
>
> I believe Fat Henry is buried at Windsor with Jane Seymour......Jane didnt live long enough for him to get him annoyed/bored with her.....
> --- In , Dr M M Gilchrist <docm@> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Liz,
> >
> > > I don't think Richard would want to be buried with Anne of
> > > Cleves .......
> >
> >
> > I don't know: nice, sensible girl that she was, I think they'd make a
> > lovely couple, bar the time-gap!
> >
> > > There's quite a lot of people buried down there. i really think
> > > the Abbbey should try and properly work out who is where, although
> > > of course I suppose it would cost and they don't have the money
> > > (which is why they charge entrance fees and annoy people). The
> > > cost of just the general upkeep of the building is horrendous and
> > > that is of course more important than identifying who is who (whom?).
> >
> > Yes, this is why I think they need a proper Plantagenet (and Others)
> > Project, on the lines of the Medici Palaeopathology Project. The
> > costs could be offset by what it would earn in publications, research
> > grants it would attract & c.
> >
> > best wishes,
> > Marianne
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Eileen wrote:
>
> I believe Fat Henry is buried at Windsor with Jane Seymour......Jane didnt live long enough for him to get him annoyed/bored with her.....

Carol responds:

And she gave him a son and consequently kept her head, if not her life. Too bad no one told old Henry about X and Y chromosomes.

Re Anne of Cleves as a hypothetical wife for Richard, barring the time gap--I suspect that he would have preferred a more intellectual wife who spoke English! (Before anyone jumps on me, I realize that she did learn English eventually, but her education was largely in domestic skills, not languages, literature, or music.)

Carol

On 28 Oct 2012, at 17:23, C HOLMES wrote:

> if we look at his negotiating with Yorks Minster for the chantry chapel for him and his family

I would be interested what your source is for this Christine.
Paul


Richard Liveth Yet!

And she had borne his one surviving son.
Sheffe




>________________________________
> From: EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@...>
>To:
>Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 3:49 PM
>Subject: Re: Richard's Burial Place decided
>
>
> 
>I believe Fat Henry is buried at Windsor with Jane Seymour......Jane didnt live long enough for him to get him annoyed/bored with her.....
>--- In , Dr M M Gilchrist <docm@...> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Liz,
>>
>> > I don't think Richard would want to be buried with Anne of
>> > Cleves .......
>>
>>
>> I don't know: nice, sensible girl that she was, I think they'd make a
>> lovely couple, bar the time-gap!
>>
>> > There's quite a lot of people buried down there. i really think
>> > the Abbbey should try and properly work out who is where, although
>> > of course I suppose it would cost and they don't have the money
>> > (which is why they charge entrance fees and annoy people). The
>> > cost of just the general upkeep of the building is horrendous and
>> > that is of course more important than identifying who is who (whom?).
>>
>> Yes, this is why I think they need a proper Plantagenet (and Others)
>> Project, on the lines of the Medici Palaeopathology Project. The
>> costs could be offset by what it would earn in publications, research
>> grants it would attract & c.
>>
>> best wishes,
>> Marianne
>>
>
>
>
>
>

This might be a stupid question(or at least uninformed), but why was Anne's tomb not identifiable? She dies a queen with her husband still on throne, so we would think she would have a tomb with proper identification.......

--- In , "EileenB" <cherryripe.eileenb@...> wrote:
>
> I don't think they know where Anne is exactly...They know the area..roughly south of the alter and around the doorway/sedilia leading into St Edward's chapel. They did find a lead coffin with the name Queen Anne on it many years ago but they were not sure if it was Queen Anne Neville or Anne of Cleaves who was also buried south of the alter and it was left undisturbed. But sure it would be wonderful if they could do a search and rebury Anne with Richard. I think every married couple would wish to be buried together. Whether this would entail digging up the
> ground etc., I don't think the Abbey would be prepared to do so...do you? Just an impression I get. Eileen
>
> --- In , Johanne Tournier <jltournier60@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi, Eileen & Christine –
> >
> > Surely there must be some way to confirm if that story is accurate or not?
> > If it was a decision of some minister or other, there must be a record or
> > reports elsewhere?
> >
> >
> >
> > Query – if Richard (if it is he – fingers crossed) is to be reburied, might
> > it be possible to reinter Queen Anne by his side? Surely that would have
> > been his wish also. And perhaps also Edward of Middleham if his grave can be
> > located.
> >
> >
> >
> > Johanne
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> > Johanne L. Tournier
> >
> >
> >
> > Email - jltournier60@
> >
> > or jltournier@
> >
> >
> >
> > "With God, all things are possible."
> >
> > - Jesus of Nazareth
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> >
> >
> > From:
> > [mailto:] On Behalf Of EileenB
> > Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 2:31 PM
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Richard's Burial Place decided
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Christine...I understand how you feel....I don't like to think about you
> > feeling upset
> > Eileen
> >
> > --- In
> > <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> , C HOLMES
> > <christineholmes651@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Eileen, My choice would be Richard's choice which if we look at his
> > negotiating with Yorks Minster for the chantry chapel for him and his family
> > to me says his choice was York
> > > As a Yorkshire woman and a member of the society main I am also a member
> > of the Yorkshire branch, we in the Yorkshire branch would prefer York
> > Minster as a fitting place for our King Richard
> > > Christine
> > > Best Wishes
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@>
> > > To:
> > <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, 28 October 2012, 16:45
> > > Subject: Re: Richard's Burial Place decided
> > >
> > >
> > > Â
> > >
> > > Please do not get upset Christine...I read it in the Daily Mail! You know
> > what that means...it could be rubbish..
> > > Can I ask you Christine...where your own personal choice would be? Eileen
> > >
> > > --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com,
> > "christineholmes651@" <christineholmes651@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi All, Does anyone know if the newspaper report that a decision has
> > been made that Richard will definately be buried in Leicester is true.
> > > > Christine, a very upset Christine.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

People get lost in rebuilding and renovations. York Minster has misplaced
several archbishop,s including the very first and George Nevill.

Karen

From: bandyoi <bandyoi@...>
Reply-To: <>
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 15:10:49 -0000
To: <>
Subject: Re: Richard's Burial Place decided






This might be a stupid question(or at least uninformed), but why was Anne's
tomb not identifiable? She dies a queen with her husband still on throne, so
we would think she would have a tomb with proper identification.......

--- In
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> , "EileenB"
<cherryripe.eileenb@...> wrote:
>
> I don't think they know where Anne is exactly...They know the area..roughly
south of the alter and around the doorway/sedilia leading into St Edward's
chapel. They did find a lead coffin with the name Queen Anne on it many years
ago but they were not sure if it was Queen Anne Neville or Anne of Cleaves who
was also buried south of the alter and it was left undisturbed. But sure it
would be wonderful if they could do a search and rebury Anne with Richard. I
think every married couple would wish to be buried together. Whether this would
entail digging up the
> ground etc., I don't think the Abbey would be prepared to do so...do you?
Just an impression I get. Eileen
>
> --- In
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> , Johanne Tournier
<jltournier60@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi, Eileen & Christine –
> >
> > Surely there must be some way to confirm if that story is accurate or not?
> > If it was a decision of some minister or other, there must be a record or
> > reports elsewhere?
> >
> >
> >
> > Query – if Richard (if it is he – fingers crossed) is to be reburied, might
> > it be possible to reinter Queen Anne by his side? Surely that would have
> > been his wish also. And perhaps also Edward of Middleham if his grave can be
> > located.
> >
> >
> >
> > Johanne
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> > Johanne L. Tournier
> >
> >
> >
> > Email - jltournier60@
> >
> > or jltournier@
> >
> >
> >
> > "With God, all things are possible."
> >
> > - Jesus of Nazareth
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> >
> >
> > From:
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> > [mailto:
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of EileenB
> > Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 2:31 PM
> > To:
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: Re: Richard's Burial Place decided
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Christine...I understand how you feel....I don't like to think about you
> > feeling upset
> > Eileen
> >
> > --- In
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> , C HOLMES
> > <christineholmes651@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Eileen, My choice would be Richard's choice which if we look at his
> > negotiating with Yorks Minster for the chantry chapel for him and his family
> > to me says his choice was York
> > > As a Yorkshire woman and a member of the society main I am also a member
> > of the Yorkshire branch, we in the Yorkshire branch would prefer York
> > Minster as a fitting place for our King Richard
> > > Christine
> > > Best Wishes
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@>
> > > To:
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, 28 October 2012, 16:45
> > > Subject: Re: Richard's Burial Place decided
> > >
> > >
> > > Â
> > >
> > > Please do not get upset Christine...I read it in the Daily Mail! You know
> > what that means...it could be rubbish..
> > > Can I ask you Christine...where your own personal choice would be? Eileen
> > >
> > > --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com,
> > "christineholmes651@" <christineholmes651@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi All, Does anyone know if the newspaper report that a decision has
> > been made that Richard will definately be buried in Leicester is true.
> > > > Christine, a very upset Christine.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

Okay - I'm game but we still need an anthropologist and a DNA expert to work for free ...




________________________________
From: EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@...>
To:
Sent: Sunday, 28 October 2012, 18:49
Subject: Re: Richard's Burial Place decided

 
Liz ..Well if it is a question of them just opening a vault, to cut costs, we could always volunteer to get lowered down and have a root around...I have no fear....well as long as it was well lit and you held my hand...What could possibly go wrong....Eileen

--- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, liz williams <ferrymansdaughter@...> wrote:
>
> I don't think Richard would want to be buried with Anne of Cleves .......
>  
> There's quite a lot of people buried down there.  i really think the Abbbey should try and properly work out who is where, although of course I suppose it would cost and they don't have the money (which is why they charge entrance fees and annoy people).  The cost of just the general upkeep of the building is horrendous and that is of course more important than identifying who is who (whom?).
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@...>
> To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, 28 October 2012, 18:26
> Subject: Re: Richard's Burial Place decided
>
>  
> I don't think they know where Anne is exactly...They know the area..roughly south of the alter and around the doorway/sedilia leading into St Edward's chapel. They did find a lead coffin with the name Queen Anne on it many years ago but they were not sure if it was Queen Anne Neville or Anne of Cleaves who was also buried south of the alter and it was left undisturbed. But sure it would be wonderful if they could do a search and rebury Anne with Richard. I think every married couple would wish to be buried together. Whether this would entail digging up the
> ground etc., I don't think the Abbey would be prepared to do so...do you? Just an impression I get. Eileen
>
> --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, Johanne Tournier <jltournier60@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi, Eileen & Christine â¬"
> >
> > Surely there must be some way to confirm if that story is accurate or not?
> > If it was a decision of some minister or other, there must be a record or
> > reports elsewhere?
> >
> >
> >
> > Query â¬" if Richard (if it is he â¬" fingers crossed) is to be reburied, might
> > it be possible to reinter Queen Anne by his side? Surely that would have
> > been his wish also. And perhaps also Edward of Middleham if his grave can be
> > located.
> >
> >
> >
> > Johanne
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> > Johanne L. Tournier
> >
> >
> >
> > Email - jltournier60@
> >
> > or jltournier@
> >
> >
> >
> > "With God, all things are possible."
> >
> > - Jesus of Nazareth
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> >
> >
> > From: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:mailto:%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of EileenB
> > Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 2:31 PM
> > To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: Richard's Burial Place decided
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Christine...I understand how you feel....I don't like to think about you
> > feeling upset
> > Eileen
> >
> > --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> , C HOLMES
> > <christineholmes651@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Eileen, My choice would be Richard's choice which if we look at his
> > negotiating with Yorks Minster for the chantry chapel for him and his family
> > to me says his choice was York
> > > As a Yorkshire woman and a member of the society main I am also a member
> > of the Yorkshire branch, we in the Yorkshire branch would prefer York
> > Minster as a fitting place for our King Richard
> > > Christine
> > > Best Wishes
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@>
> > > To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, 28 October 2012, 16:45
> > > Subject: Re: Richard's Burial Place decided
> > >
> > >
> > > Ã
> > >
> > > Please do not get upset Christine...I read it in the Daily Mail! You know
> > what that means...it could be rubbish..
> > > Can I ask you Christine...where your own personal choice would be? Eileen
> > >
> > > --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com,
> > "christineholmes651@" <christineholmes651@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi All, Does anyone know if the newspaper report that a decision has
> > been made that Richard will definately be buried in Leicester is true.
> > > > Christine, a very upset Christine.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>

Bulding tombs of the sort that Anne would have had took a lot of time and money, and there just wasn't that sort of time available between her death and the battle of Bosworth. There is also the possibility that Richard had intended moving her remains to York when his new chapel there was completed so never planned a tomb in Westminster Abbey.
Marie



--- In , "bandyoi" <bandyoi@...> wrote:
>
> This might be a stupid question(or at least uninformed), but why was Anne's tomb not identifiable? She dies a queen with her husband still on throne, so we would think she would have a tomb with proper identification.......
>
> --- In , "EileenB" <cherryripe.eileenb@> wrote:
> >
> > I don't think they know where Anne is exactly...They know the area..roughly south of the alter and around the doorway/sedilia leading into St Edward's chapel. They did find a lead coffin with the name Queen Anne on it many years ago but they were not sure if it was Queen Anne Neville or Anne of Cleaves who was also buried south of the alter and it was left undisturbed. But sure it would be wonderful if they could do a search and rebury Anne with Richard. I think every married couple would wish to be buried together. Whether this would entail digging up the
> > ground etc., I don't think the Abbey would be prepared to do so...do you? Just an impression I get. Eileen
> >
> > --- In , Johanne Tournier <jltournier60@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi, Eileen & Christine –
> > >
> > > Surely there must be some way to confirm if that story is accurate or not?
> > > If it was a decision of some minister or other, there must be a record or
> > > reports elsewhere?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Query – if Richard (if it is he – fingers crossed) is to be reburied, might
> > > it be possible to reinter Queen Anne by his side? Surely that would have
> > > been his wish also. And perhaps also Edward of Middleham if his grave can be
> > > located.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Johanne
> > >
> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > >
> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > >
> > > Johanne L. Tournier
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Email - jltournier60@
> > >
> > > or jltournier@
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "With God, all things are possible."
> > >
> > > - Jesus of Nazareth
> > >
> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > >
> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From:
> > > [mailto:] On Behalf Of EileenB
> > > Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 2:31 PM
> > > To:
> > > Subject: Re: Richard's Burial Place decided
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Christine...I understand how you feel....I don't like to think about you
> > > feeling upset
> > > Eileen
> > >
> > > --- In
> > > <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> , C HOLMES
> > > <christineholmes651@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Eileen, My choice would be Richard's choice which if we look at his
> > > negotiating with Yorks Minster for the chantry chapel for him and his family
> > > to me says his choice was York
> > > > As a Yorkshire woman and a member of the society main I am also a member
> > > of the Yorkshire branch, we in the Yorkshire branch would prefer York
> > > Minster as a fitting place for our King Richard
> > > > Christine
> > > > Best Wishes
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________
> > > > From: EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@>
> > > > To:
> > > <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, 28 October 2012, 16:45
> > > > Subject: Re: Richard's Burial Place decided
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Â
> > > >
> > > > Please do not get upset Christine...I read it in the Daily Mail! You know
> > > what that means...it could be rubbish..
> > > > Can I ask you Christine...where your own personal choice would be? Eileen
> > > >
> > > > --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com,
> > > "christineholmes651@" <christineholmes651@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi All, Does anyone know if the newspaper report that a decision has
> > > been made that Richard will definately be buried in Leicester is true.
> > > > > Christine, a very upset Christine.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

Hi, Marie & Ishita –



Wherever Richard (if G.F.W. is indeed he) is finally interred - I would
suggest that it would be wonderful to give him an effigy tomb, as he no
doubt expected to have erected over his mortal remains one day. I think it
would be wonderful for people to be able to visit and pay their respects and
honour the man in a spot that is as close as we can get to him and which
would have an image, a close image of what they find he would have looked
like in his lifetime. (Even though I expect that his height would have been
more like 5’ 5” tall rather than 6’ 2”, it will still be wonderful to see!)



And if it’s possible, I would love to see Queen Anne given a resting spot,
and a similar effigy tomb, next to the King.



I really don’t think they’d miss her at the Abbey!



Johanne

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Johanne L. Tournier



Email - jltournier60@...

or jltournier@...



"With God, all things are possible."

- Jesus of Nazareth

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



From:
[mailto:] On Behalf Of mariewalsh2003
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 2:11 PM
To:
Subject: Re: Richard's Burial Place decided





Bulding tombs of the sort that Anne would have had took a lot of time and
money, and there just wasn't that sort of time available between her death
and the battle of Bosworth. There is also the possibility that Richard had
intended moving her remains to York when his new chapel there was completed
so never planned a tomb in Westminster Abbey.
Marie

--- In
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> , "bandyoi" <bandyoi@...>
wrote:
>
> This might be a stupid question(or at least uninformed), but why was
Anne's tomb not identifiable? She dies a queen with her husband still on
throne, so we would think she would have a tomb with proper
identification.......
>
> --- In
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> , "EileenB"
<cherryripe.eileenb@> wrote:
> >
> > I don't think they know where Anne is exactly...They know the
area..roughly south of the alter and around the doorway/sedilia leading into
St Edward's chapel. They did find a lead coffin with the name Queen Anne on
it many years ago but they were not sure if it was Queen Anne Neville or
Anne of Cleaves who was also buried south of the alter and it was left
undisturbed. But sure it would be wonderful if they could do a search and
rebury Anne with Richard. I think every married couple would wish to be
buried together. Whether this would entail digging up the
> > ground etc., I don't think the Abbey would be prepared to do so...do
you? Just an impression I get. Eileen
> >
> > --- In
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> , Johanne Tournier
<jltournier60@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi, Eileen & Christine –
> > >
> > > Surely there must be some way to confirm if that story is accurate or
not?
> > > If it was a decision of some minister or other, there must be a record
or
> > > reports elsewhere?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Query – if Richard (if it is he – fingers crossed) is to be reburied,
might
> > > it be possible to reinter Queen Anne by his side? Surely that would
have
> > > been his wish also. And perhaps also Edward of Middleham if his grave
can be
> > > located.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Johanne
> > >
> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > >
> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > >
> > > Johanne L. Tournier
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Email - jltournier60@
> > >
> > > or jltournier@
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "With God, all things are possible."
> > >
> > > - Jesus of Nazareth
> > >
> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > >
> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From:
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > [mailto:
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of EileenB
> > > Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 2:31 PM
> > > To:
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Subject: Re: Richard's Burial Place
decided
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Christine...I understand how you feel....I don't like to think
about you
> > > feeling upset
> > > Eileen
> > >
> > > --- In
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> , C HOLMES
> > > <christineholmes651@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Eileen, My choice would be Richard's choice which if we look at
his
> > > negotiating with Yorks Minster for the chantry chapel for him and his
family
> > > to me says his choice was York
> > > > As a Yorkshire woman and a member of the society main I am also a
member
> > > of the Yorkshire branch, we in the Yorkshire branch would prefer York
> > > Minster as a fitting place for our King Richard
> > > > Christine
> > > > Best Wishes
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________
> > > > From: EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@>
> > > > To:
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, 28 October 2012, 16:45
> > > > Subject: Re: Richard's Burial Place
decided
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Â
> > > >
> > > > Please do not get upset Christine...I read it in the Daily Mail! You
know
> > > what that means...it could be rubbish..
> > > > Can I ask you Christine...where your own personal choice would be?
Eileen
> > > >
> > > > --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com,
> > > "christineholmes651@" <christineholmes651@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi All, Does anyone know if the newspaper report that a decision
has
> > > been made that Richard will definately be buried in Leicester is true.
> > > > > Christine, a very upset Christine.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

Geoffrey Wheeler designed a beautiful memorial Brass for Richard (as well as one for Queen Anne). Enlarged, this would be fabulous (I think) on the 21st C. tomb - Geoff painstakingly researched the iconography. The repro brass is currently available through The Society, UK, as a small plaque. Take a look....

Judy
 
Loyaulte me lie


________________________________
From: Johanne Tournier <jltournier60@...>
To:
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 12:27 PM
Subject: A new tomb (was RE: Richard's Burial Place decided)


 
Hi, Marie & Ishita 

Wherever Richard (if G.F.W. is indeed he) is finally interred - I would
suggest that it would be wonderful to give him an effigy tomb, as he no
doubt expected to have erected over his mortal remains one day. I think it
would be wonderful for people to be able to visit and pay their respects and
honour the man in a spot that is as close as we can get to him and which
would have an image, a close image of what they find he would have looked
like in his lifetime. (Even though I expect that his height would have been
more like 5' 5 tall rather than 6' 2, it will still be wonderful to see!)

And if it's possible, I would love to see Queen Anne given a resting spot,
and a similar effigy tomb, next to the King.

I really don't think they'd miss her at the Abbey!

Johanne

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Johanne L. Tournier

Email - jltournier60@...

or jltournier@...

"With God, all things are possible."

- Jesus of Nazareth

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

From:
[mailto:] On Behalf Of mariewalsh2003
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 2:11 PM
To:
Subject: Re: Richard's Burial Place decided

Bulding tombs of the sort that Anne would have had took a lot of time and
money, and there just wasn't that sort of time available between her death
and the battle of Bosworth. There is also the possibility that Richard had
intended moving her remains to York when his new chapel there was completed
so never planned a tomb in Westminster Abbey.
Marie

--- In
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> , "bandyoi" <bandyoi@...>
wrote:
>
> This might be a stupid question(or at least uninformed), but why was
Anne's tomb not identifiable? She dies a queen with her husband still on
throne, so we would think she would have a tomb with proper
identification.......
>
> --- In
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> , "EileenB"
<cherryripe.eileenb@> wrote:
> >
> > I don't think they know where Anne is exactly...They know the
area..roughly south of the alter and around the doorway/sedilia leading into
St Edward's chapel. They did find a lead coffin with the name Queen Anne on
it many years ago but they were not sure if it was Queen Anne Neville or
Anne of Cleaves who was also buried south of the alter and it was left
undisturbed. But sure it would be wonderful if they could do a search and
rebury Anne with Richard. I think every married couple would wish to be
buried together. Whether this would entail digging up the
> > ground etc., I don't think the Abbey would be prepared to do so...do
you? Just an impression I get. Eileen
> >
> > --- In
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> , Johanne Tournier
<jltournier60@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi, Eileen & Christine 
> > >
> > > Surely there must be some way to confirm if that story is accurate or
not?
> > > If it was a decision of some minister or other, there must be a record
or
> > > reports elsewhere?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Query  if Richard (if it is he  fingers crossed) is to be reburied,
might
> > > it be possible to reinter Queen Anne by his side? Surely that would
have
> > > been his wish also. And perhaps also Edward of Middleham if his grave
can be
> > > located.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Johanne
> > >
> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > >
> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > >
> > > Johanne L. Tournier
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Email - jltournier60@
> > >
> > > or jltournier@
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "With God, all things are possible."
> > >
> > > - Jesus of Nazareth
> > >
> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > >
> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From:
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > [mailto:
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of EileenB
> > > Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 2:31 PM
> > > To:
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Subject: Re: Richard's Burial Place
decided
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Christine...I understand how you feel....I don't like to think
about you
> > > feeling upset
> > > Eileen
> > >
> > > --- In
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> , C HOLMES
> > > <christineholmes651@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Eileen, My choice would be Richard's choice which if we look at
his
> > > negotiating with Yorks Minster for the chantry chapel for him and his
family
> > > to me says his choice was York
> > > > As a Yorkshire woman and a member of the society main I am also a
member
> > > of the Yorkshire branch, we in the Yorkshire branch would prefer York
> > > Minster as a fitting place for our King Richard
> > > > Christine
> > > > Best Wishes
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________
> > > > From: EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@>
> > > > To:
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, 28 October 2012, 16:45
> > > > Subject: Re: Richard's Burial Place
decided
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Â
> > > >
> > > > Please do not get upset Christine...I read it in the Daily Mail! You
know
> > > what that means...it could be rubbish..
> > > > Can I ask you Christine...where your own personal choice would be?
Eileen
> > > >
> > > > --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com,
> > > "christineholmes651@" <christineholmes651@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi All, Does anyone know if the newspaper report that a decision
has
> > > been made that Richard will definately be buried in Leicester is true.
> > > > > Christine, a very upset Christine.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

Hi, Judy 

I've seen them, and, yes, they are beautiful. But I'm thinking that if it becomes possible to create a 3D effigy which looks as much as possible as Richard did in life, that would be fabulous.



Take care,



Johanne



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Johanne L. Tournier



Email - jltournier60@...

or jltournier@...



"With God, all things are possible."

- Jesus of Nazareth

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of Judy Thomson
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 3:24 PM
To:
Subject: Re: A new tomb (was RE: Richard's Burial Place decided)





Geoffrey Wheeler designed a beautiful memorial Brass for Richard (as well as one for Queen Anne). Enlarged, this would be fabulous (I think) on the 21st C. tomb - Geoff painstakingly researched the iconography. The repro brass is currently available through The Society, UK, as a small plaque. Take a look....

Judy

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Yes, fabulous but very costly. Let's see what sort of budget is available.

Judy
 
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________________________________
From: Johanne Tournier <jltournier60@...>
To:
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 1:46 PM
Subject: RE: A new tomb (was RE: Richard's Burial Place decided)


 
Hi, Judy 

I've seen them, and, yes, they are beautiful. But I'm thinking that if it becomes possible to create a 3D effigy which looks as much as possible as Richard did in life, that would be fabulous.

Take care,

Johanne

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Johanne L. Tournier

Email - jltournier60@...

or jltournier@...

"With God, all things are possible."

- Jesus of Nazareth

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of Judy Thomson
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 3:24 PM
To:
Subject: Re: A new tomb (was RE: Richard's Burial Place decided)

Geoffrey Wheeler designed a beautiful memorial Brass for Richard (as well as one for Queen Anne). Enlarged, this would be fabulous (I think) on the 21st C. tomb - Geoff painstakingly researched the iconography. The repro brass is currently available through The Society, UK, as a small plaque. Take a look....

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Indeed, Judy 



Whatever is decided upon that will be a lasting tribute will be fine. I love the things the Society has managed to accomplish  like the beautiful statue of Richard grasping the crown  he looks like a young King David in armour.



Loyaulte me lie,



Johanne



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Johanne L. Tournier



Email - jltournier60@...

or jltournier@...



"With God, all things are possible."

- Jesus of Nazareth

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of Judy Thomson
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 4:05 PM
To:
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Yes, fabulous but very costly. Let's see what sort of budget is available.

Judy

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________________________________
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To: <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 1:46 PM
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Hi, Judy 

I've seen them, and, yes, they are beautiful. But I'm thinking that if it becomes possible to create a 3D effigy which looks as much as possible as Richard did in life, that would be fabulous.

Take care,

Johanne

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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or jltournier@... <mailto:jltournier%40xcountry.tv>

"With God, all things are possible."

- Jesus of Nazareth

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Subject: Re: A new tomb (was RE: Richard's Burial Place decided)

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Judy

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Johanne

I think that the cost would be somewhat a nonissue, were our mystery warrior prove to be the former King of England, as I feel the interest generated would guarantee support HM The Queen may have a desire to assist, as her legacy would remain as acknowledging one of her predecessors no matter what his or her linage may be. This is not a normal situation and apart from the Egyptian tombs and the Pharos I cannot think of a similar circumstance.

Regards

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From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of Johanne Tournier
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 3:13 PM
To:
Subject: RE: A new tomb (was RE: Richard's Burial Place decided)





Indeed, Judy 

Whatever is decided upon that will be a lasting tribute will be fine. I love the things the Society has managed to accomplish  like the beautiful statue of Richard grasping the crown  he looks like a young King David in armour.

Loyaulte me lie,

Johanne

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Johanne L. Tournier

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or jltournier@... <mailto:jltournier%40xcountry.tv>

"With God, all things are possible."

- Jesus of Nazareth

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto: <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Judy Thomson
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 4:05 PM
To: <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: A new tomb (was RE: Richard's Burial Place decided)

Yes, fabulous but very costly. Let's see what sort of budget is available.

Judy

Loyaulte me lie

________________________________
From: Johanne Tournier <jltournier60@... <mailto:jltournier60%40hotmail.com> <mailto:jltournier60%40hotmail.com> >
To: <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 1:46 PM
Subject: RE: A new tomb (was RE: Richard's Burial Place decided)

Hi, Judy 

I've seen them, and, yes, they are beautiful. But I'm thinking that if it becomes possible to create a 3D effigy which looks as much as possible as Richard did in life, that would be fabulous.

Take care,

Johanne

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Subject: Re: A new tomb (was RE: Richard's Burial Place decided)

Geoffrey Wheeler designed a beautiful memorial Brass for Richard (as well as one for Queen Anne). Enlarged, this would be fabulous (I think) on the 21st C. tomb - Geoff painstakingly researched the iconography. The repro brass is currently available through The Society, UK, as a small plaque. Take a look....

Judy

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You are right in that, I'm sure. But I can't help but think that the whole of Great Britain has been on an austerity kick. I hope they will find the wherewithal, nonetheless.



I do agree with Judy that the designs by Geoffrey Wheeler are stunning  except that, except for the Boar, you can't tell it's Richard. I would love to see a 3D effigy  and I'm sure they can do it  if they can do a Prehistoric Autopsy of Homo Erectus and Neandertal, they can certainly give us Richard as he was in life.



Johanne



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From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of George Butterfield
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 5:22 PM
To:
Subject: RE: A new tomb (was RE: Richard's Burial Place decided)





Johanne

I think that the cost would be somewhat a nonissue, were our mystery warrior prove to be the former King of England, as I feel the interest generated would guarantee support HM The Queen may have a desire to assist, as her legacy would remain as acknowledging one of her predecessors no matter what his or her linage may be. This is not a normal situation and apart from the Egyptian tombs and the Pharos I cannot think of a similar circumstance.

Regards

George

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Subject: RE: A new tomb (was RE: Richard's Burial Place decided)

Indeed, Judy 

Whatever is decided upon that will be a lasting tribute will be fine. I love the things the Society has managed to accomplish  like the beautiful statue of Richard grasping the crown  he looks like a young King David in armour.

Loyaulte me lie,

Johanne

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Subject: Re: A new tomb (was RE: Richard's Burial Place decided)

Yes, fabulous but very costly. Let's see what sort of budget is available.

Judy

Loyaulte me lie

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From: Johanne Tournier <jltournier60@... <mailto:jltournier60%40hotmail.com> <mailto:jltournier60%40hotmail.com> <mailto:jltournier60%40hotmail.com> >
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Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 1:46 PM
Subject: RE: A new tomb (was RE: Richard's Burial Place decided)

Hi, Judy 

I've seen them, and, yes, they are beautiful. But I'm thinking that if it becomes possible to create a 3D effigy which looks as much as possible as Richard did in life, that would be fabulous.

Take care,

Johanne

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Geoffrey Wheeler designed a beautiful memorial Brass for Richard (as well as one for Queen Anne). Enlarged, this would be fabulous (I think) on the 21st C. tomb - Geoff painstakingly researched the iconography. The repro brass is currently available through The Society, UK, as a small plaque. Take a look....

Judy

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Johanne:

If it is Richard, he has spent the last 500 years waiting for recognition. I am sure that he will not mind waiting a little bit longer so we can give him the recognition he deserves. Hopefully he's not going anywhere!

Austerity is relative I did notice that the UK had two little happenings this year and managed to find some loose change in the leather seats of parliament to pay for it!!

George



From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of Johanne Tournier
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 4:40 PM
To:
Subject: RE: A new tomb (was RE: Richard's Burial Place decided)





You are right in that, I'm sure. But I can't help but think that the whole of Great Britain has been on an austerity kick. I hope they will find the wherewithal, nonetheless.

I do agree with Judy that the designs by Geoffrey Wheeler are stunning  except that, except for the Boar, you can't tell it's Richard. I would love to see a 3D effigy  and I'm sure they can do it  if they can do a Prehistoric Autopsy of Homo Erectus and Neandertal, they can certainly give us Richard as he was in life.

Johanne

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From: <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto: <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of George Butterfield
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 5:22 PM
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Subject: RE: A new tomb (was RE: Richard's Burial Place decided)

Johanne

I think that the cost would be somewhat a nonissue, were our mystery warrior prove to be the former King of England, as I feel the interest generated would guarantee support HM The Queen may have a desire to assist, as her legacy would remain as acknowledging one of her predecessors no matter what his or her linage may be. This is not a normal situation and apart from the Egyptian tombs and the Pharos I cannot think of a similar circumstance.

Regards

George

From: <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto: <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Johanne Tournier
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 3:13 PM
To: <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: A new tomb (was RE: Richard's Burial Place decided)

Indeed, Judy 

Whatever is decided upon that will be a lasting tribute will be fine. I love the things the Society has managed to accomplish  like the beautiful statue of Richard grasping the crown  he looks like a young King David in armour.

Loyaulte me lie,

Johanne

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Subject: Re: A new tomb (was RE: Richard's Burial Place decided)

Yes, fabulous but very costly. Let's see what sort of budget is available.

Judy

Loyaulte me lie

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From: Johanne Tournier <jltournier60@... <mailto:jltournier60%40hotmail.com> <mailto:jltournier60%40hotmail.com> <mailto:jltournier60%40hotmail.com> <mailto:jltournier60%40hotmail.com> >
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Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 1:46 PM
Subject: RE: A new tomb (was RE: Richard's Burial Place decided)

Hi, Judy 

I've seen them, and, yes, they are beautiful. But I'm thinking that if it becomes possible to create a 3D effigy which looks as much as possible as Richard did in life, that would be fabulous.

Take care,

Johanne

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Johanne L. Tournier

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Subject: Re: A new tomb (was RE: Richard's Burial Place decided)

Geoffrey Wheeler designed a beautiful memorial Brass for Richard (as well as one for Queen Anne). Enlarged, this would be fabulous (I think) on the 21st C. tomb - Geoff painstakingly researched the iconography. The repro brass is currently available through The Society, UK, as a small plaque. Take a look....

Judy

Loyaulte me lie

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From: George Butterfield <gbutterf1@...>
To:
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 5:49 PM
Subject: RE: A new tomb (was RE: Richard's Burial Place decided)


 
Johanne:

If it is Richard, he has spent the last 500 years waiting for recognition. I am sure that he will not mind waiting a little bit longer so we can give him the recognition he deserves. Hopefully he's not going anywhere!

Austerity is relative I did notice that the UK had two little happenings this year and managed to find some loose change in the leather seats of parliament to pay for it!!

George

From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of Johanne Tournier
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 4:40 PM
To:
Subject: RE: A new tomb (was RE: Richard's Burial Place decided)

You are right in that, I'm sure. But I can't help but think that the whole of Great Britain has been on an austerity kick. I hope they will find the wherewithal, nonetheless.

I do agree with Judy that the designs by Geoffrey Wheeler are stunning  except that, except for the Boar, you can't tell it's Richard. I would love to see a 3D effigy  and I'm sure they can do it  if they can do a Prehistoric Autopsy of Homo Erectus and Neandertal, they can certainly give us Richard as he was in life.

Johanne

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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- Jesus of Nazareth

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From: <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto: <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of George Butterfield
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 5:22 PM
To: <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: A new tomb (was RE: Richard's Burial Place decided)

Johanne

I think that the cost would be somewhat a nonissue, were our mystery warrior prove to be the former King of England, as I feel the interest generated would guarantee support HM The Queen may have a desire to assist, as her legacy would remain as acknowledging one of her predecessors no matter what his or her linage may be. This is not a normal situation and apart from the Egyptian tombs and the Pharos I cannot think of a similar circumstance.

Regards

George

From: <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto: <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Johanne Tournier
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 3:13 PM
To: <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: A new tomb (was RE: Richard's Burial Place decided)

Indeed, Judy 

Whatever is decided upon that will be a lasting tribute will be fine. I love the things the Society has managed to accomplish  like the beautiful statue of Richard grasping the crown  he looks like a young King David in armour.

Loyaulte me lie,

Johanne

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Johanne L. Tournier

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Subject: Re: A new tomb (was RE: Richard's Burial Place decided)

Yes, fabulous but very costly. Let's see what sort of budget is available.

Judy

Loyaulte me lie

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Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 1:46 PM
Subject: RE: A new tomb (was RE: Richard's Burial Place decided)

Hi, Judy 

I've seen them, and, yes, they are beautiful. But I'm thinking that if it becomes possible to create a 3D effigy which looks as much as possible as Richard did in life, that would be fabulous.

Take care,

Johanne

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Johanne L. Tournier

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- Jesus of Nazareth

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Geoffrey Wheeler designed a beautiful memorial Brass for Richard (as well as one for Queen Anne). Enlarged, this would be fabulous (I think) on the 21st C. tomb - Geoff painstakingly researched the iconography. The repro brass is currently available through The Society, UK, as a small plaque. Take a look....

Judy

Loyaulte me lie

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No if about it! It must! After all, the Society is responsible for getting the whole project underway, although others like the University of Leicester and the Town have joined in support.



And if it takes some time to get organized, so much the better  that will give us all time to arrange our schedules to meet in time for the funeral cortege, services, and interment. I do want to be there and meet all my fellow Ricardians!



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And if the Society has a part to play, I'm certain we can raise money worldwide to "help out"!

Judy

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Johanne:

If it is Richard, he has spent the last 500 years waiting for recognition. I am sure that he will not mind waiting a little bit longer so we can give him the recognition he deserves. Hopefully he's not going anywhere!

Austerity is relative I did notice that the UK had two little happenings this year and managed to find some loose change in the leather seats of parliament to pay for it!!

George

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On Oct 29, 2012, at 12:10 PM, mariewalsh2003 <[email protected]> wrote:

> Bulding tombs of the sort that Anne would have had took a lot of time and money, and there just wasn't that sort of time available between her death and the battle of Bosworth. There is also the possibility that Richard had intended moving her remains to York when his new chapel there was completed so never planned a tomb in Westminster Abbey.
> Marie
>
> --- In , "bandyoi" <bandyoi@...> wrote:
> >
> > This might be a stupid question(or at least uninformed), but why was Anne's tomb not identifiable? She dies a queen with her husband still on throne, so we would think she would have a tomb with proper identification.......
> >
> > --- In , "EileenB" <cherryripe.eileenb@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I don't think they know where Anne is exactly...They know the area..roughly south of the alter and around the doorway/sedilia leading into St Edward's chapel. They did find a lead coffin with the name Queen Anne on it many years ago but they were not sure if it was Queen Anne Neville or Anne of Cleaves who was also buried south of the alter and it was left undisturbed. But sure it would be wonderful if they could do a search and rebury Anne with Richard. I think every married couple would wish to be buried together. Whether this would entail digging up the
> > > ground etc., I don't think the Abbey would be prepared to do so...do you? Just an impression I get. Eileen
> > >
> > > --- In , Johanne Tournier <jltournier60@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi, Eileen & Christine 
> > > >
> > > > Surely there must be some way to confirm if that story is accurate or not?
> > > > If it was a decision of some minister or other, there must be a record or
> > > > reports elsewhere?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Query  if Richard (if it is he  fingers crossed) is to be reburied, might
> > > > it be possible to reinter Queen Anne by his side? Surely that would have
> > > > been his wish also. And perhaps also Edward of Middleham if his grave can be
> > > > located.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Johanne
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> > > > Johanne L. Tournier
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> > > >
> > > > Email - jltournier60@
> > > >
> > > > or jltournier@
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "With God, all things are possible."
> > > >
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> > > > From:
> > > > [mailto:] On Behalf Of EileenB
> > > > Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 2:31 PM
> > > > To:
> > > > Subject: Re: Richard's Burial Place decided
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi Christine...I understand how you feel....I don't like to think about you
> > > > feeling upset
> > > > Eileen
> > > >
> > > > --- In
> > > > <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> , C HOLMES
> > > > <christineholmes651@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Eileen, My choice would be Richard's choice which if we look at his
> > > > negotiating with Yorks Minster for the chantry chapel for him and his family
> > > > to me says his choice was York
> > > > > As a Yorkshire woman and a member of the society main I am also a member
> > > > of the Yorkshire branch, we in the Yorkshire branch would prefer York
> > > > Minster as a fitting place for our King Richard
> > > > > Christine
> > > > > Best Wishes
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > From: EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@>
> > > > > To:
> > > > <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, 28 October 2012, 16:45
> > > > > Subject: Re: Richard's Burial Place decided
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Â
> > > > >
> > > > > Please do not get upset Christine...I read it in the Daily Mail! You know
> > > > what that means...it could be rubbish..
> > > > > Can I ask you Christine...where your own personal choice would be? Eileen
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com,
> > > > "christineholmes651@" <christineholmes651@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi All, Does anyone know if the newspaper report that a decision has
> > > > been made that Richard will definately be buried in Leicester is true.
> > > > > > Christine, a very upset Christine.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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Hi Judy, I am sure we can after all we raised the money so that the dig went ahead in Leicester.
Christine
God Bless Richard and Family



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Sent: Monday, 29 October 2012, 22:58
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And if the Society has a part to play, I'm certain we can raise money worldwide to "help out"!

Judy
 
Loyaulte me lie

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Johanne:

If it is Richard, he has spent the last 500 years waiting for recognition. I am sure that he will not mind waiting a little bit longer so we can give him the recognition he deserves. Hopefully he's not going anywhere!

Austerity is relative I did notice that the UK had two little happenings this year and managed to find some loose change in the leather seats of parliament to pay for it!!

George

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You are right in that, I'm sure. But I can't help but think that the whole of Great Britain has been on an austerity kick. I hope they will find the wherewithal, nonetheless.

I do agree with Judy that the designs by Geoffrey Wheeler are stunning  except that, except for the Boar, you can't tell it's Richard. I would love to see a 3D effigy  and I'm sure they can do it  if they can do a Prehistoric Autopsy of Homo Erectus and Neandertal, they can certainly give us Richard as he was in life.

Johanne

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Johanne

I think that the cost would be somewhat a nonissue, were our mystery warrior prove to be the former King of England, as I feel the interest generated would guarantee support HM The Queen may have a desire to assist, as her legacy would remain as acknowledging one of her predecessors no matter what his or her linage may be. This is not a normal situation and apart from the Egyptian tombs and the Pharos I cannot think of a similar circumstance.

Regards

George

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Indeed, Judy 

Whatever is decided upon that will be a lasting tribute will be fine. I love the things the Society has managed to accomplish  like the beautiful statue of Richard grasping the crown  he looks like a young King David in armour.

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Johanne

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Yes, fabulous but very costly. Let's see what sort of budget is available.

Judy

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Hi, Judy 

I've seen them, and, yes, they are beautiful. But I'm thinking that if it becomes possible to create a 3D effigy which looks as much as possible as Richard did in life, that would be fabulous.

Take care,

Johanne

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Geoffrey Wheeler designed a beautiful memorial Brass for Richard (as well as one for Queen Anne). Enlarged, this would be fabulous (I think) on the 21st C. tomb - Geoff painstakingly researched the iconography. The repro brass is currently available through The Society, UK, as a small plaque. Take a look....

Judy

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