For Leicester
For Leicester
2012-10-31 14:05:34
I have been following the re-internment discussion very closely and wish to ask why not Leicester Cathedral and Leicester. I admit that its not an overseas tourist destination like York but please look at the church it is a beautiful building
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leicester_Cathedral
There is already a memorial stone to Richard there in the chancel of the church with flowers and his portrait. This done well before the events of this fall.
Also in Leicester park is a moving statue to Richard surrounded by a rose garden.
There is a long standing connexion in the East Midlands with Richard
Re-internment at Leicester means that Richard would be the principal focus of the church and area, with Bosworth and other connected places well within reach. A fitting memorial.
Is it Crass commercialism to want Richard there yes,, that is how things survive but it is also a chance to bump up the profile of a much maligned King in an area that really really wants to have him there.
The Leicester city council are making tentative plans for a new museum/ visitor centre with Richard and 15th century England as a centrepiece. So yes bus trips and tourists BUT also a whole new generation of people who will have the chance to learn the truth.
Its this bigger picture that will have the potential to challenge long standing historical perceptions.
Cate
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leicester_Cathedral
There is already a memorial stone to Richard there in the chancel of the church with flowers and his portrait. This done well before the events of this fall.
Also in Leicester park is a moving statue to Richard surrounded by a rose garden.
There is a long standing connexion in the East Midlands with Richard
Re-internment at Leicester means that Richard would be the principal focus of the church and area, with Bosworth and other connected places well within reach. A fitting memorial.
Is it Crass commercialism to want Richard there yes,, that is how things survive but it is also a chance to bump up the profile of a much maligned King in an area that really really wants to have him there.
The Leicester city council are making tentative plans for a new museum/ visitor centre with Richard and 15th century England as a centrepiece. So yes bus trips and tourists BUT also a whole new generation of people who will have the chance to learn the truth.
Its this bigger picture that will have the potential to challenge long standing historical perceptions.
Cate
Re: For Leicester
2012-10-31 14:28:20
Leicester is actually less crass and commercial than either Westminster or York.
Jonathan
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From: "collerhe@..." <collerhe@...>
To:
Sent: Wednesday, 31 October 2012, 14:05
Subject: For Leicester
I have been following the re-internment discussion very closely and wish to ask why not Leicester Cathedral and Leicester. I admit that its not an overseas tourist destination like York but please look at the church it is a beautiful building
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leicester_Cathedral
There is already a memorial stone to Richard there in the chancel of the church with flowers and his portrait. This done well before the events of this fall.
Also in Leicester park is a moving statue to Richard surrounded by a rose garden.
There is a long standing connexion in the East Midlands with Richard
Re-internment at Leicester means that Richard would be the principal focus of the church and area, with Bosworth and other connected places well within reach. A fitting memorial.
Is it Crass commercialism to want Richard there yes,, that is how things survive but it is also a chance to bump up the profile of a much maligned King in an area that really really wants to have him there.
The Leicester city council are making tentative plans for a new museum/ visitor centre with Richard and 15th century England as a centrepiece. So yes bus trips and tourists BUT also a whole new generation of people who will have the chance to learn the truth.
Its this bigger picture that will have the potential to challenge long standing historical perceptions.
Cate
Jonathan
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From: "collerhe@..." <collerhe@...>
To:
Sent: Wednesday, 31 October 2012, 14:05
Subject: For Leicester
I have been following the re-internment discussion very closely and wish to ask why not Leicester Cathedral and Leicester. I admit that its not an overseas tourist destination like York but please look at the church it is a beautiful building
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leicester_Cathedral
There is already a memorial stone to Richard there in the chancel of the church with flowers and his portrait. This done well before the events of this fall.
Also in Leicester park is a moving statue to Richard surrounded by a rose garden.
There is a long standing connexion in the East Midlands with Richard
Re-internment at Leicester means that Richard would be the principal focus of the church and area, with Bosworth and other connected places well within reach. A fitting memorial.
Is it Crass commercialism to want Richard there yes,, that is how things survive but it is also a chance to bump up the profile of a much maligned King in an area that really really wants to have him there.
The Leicester city council are making tentative plans for a new museum/ visitor centre with Richard and 15th century England as a centrepiece. So yes bus trips and tourists BUT also a whole new generation of people who will have the chance to learn the truth.
Its this bigger picture that will have the potential to challenge long standing historical perceptions.
Cate
Re: For Leicester
2012-10-31 16:17:20
With respect what is your point?
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 31, 2012, at 10:28 AM, Jonathan Evans <jmcevans98@...> wrote:
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>
> Leicester is actually less crass and commercial than either Westminster or York.
>
> Jonathan
>
> ________________________________
> From: "collerhe@..." <collerhe@...>
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, 31 October 2012, 14:05
> Subject: For Leicester
>
>
>
>
> I have been following the re-internment discussion very closely and wish to ask why not Leicester Cathedral and Leicester. I admit that its not an overseas tourist destination like York but please look at the church it is a beautiful building
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leicester_Cathedral
> There is already a memorial stone to Richard there in the chancel of the church with flowers and his portrait. This done well before the events of this fall.
> Also in Leicester park is a moving statue to Richard surrounded by a rose garden.
>
> There is a long standing connexion in the East Midlands with Richard
>
> Re-internment at Leicester means that Richard would be the principal focus of the church and area, with Bosworth and other connected places well within reach. A fitting memorial.
>
> Is it Crass commercialism to want Richard there yes,, that is how things survive but it is also a chance to bump up the profile of a much maligned King in an area that really really wants to have him there.
>
> The Leicester city council are making tentative plans for a new museum/ visitor centre with Richard and 15th century England as a centrepiece. So yes bus trips and tourists BUT also a whole new generation of people who will have the chance to learn the truth.
> Its this bigger picture that will have the potential to challenge long standing historical perceptions.
>
> Cate
>
>
>
>
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 31, 2012, at 10:28 AM, Jonathan Evans <jmcevans98@...> wrote:
>
>
> Leicester is actually less crass and commercial than either Westminster or York.
>
> Jonathan
>
> ________________________________
> From: "collerhe@..." <collerhe@...>
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, 31 October 2012, 14:05
> Subject: For Leicester
>
>
>
>
> I have been following the re-internment discussion very closely and wish to ask why not Leicester Cathedral and Leicester. I admit that its not an overseas tourist destination like York but please look at the church it is a beautiful building
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leicester_Cathedral
> There is already a memorial stone to Richard there in the chancel of the church with flowers and his portrait. This done well before the events of this fall.
> Also in Leicester park is a moving statue to Richard surrounded by a rose garden.
>
> There is a long standing connexion in the East Midlands with Richard
>
> Re-internment at Leicester means that Richard would be the principal focus of the church and area, with Bosworth and other connected places well within reach. A fitting memorial.
>
> Is it Crass commercialism to want Richard there yes,, that is how things survive but it is also a chance to bump up the profile of a much maligned King in an area that really really wants to have him there.
>
> The Leicester city council are making tentative plans for a new museum/ visitor centre with Richard and 15th century England as a centrepiece. So yes bus trips and tourists BUT also a whole new generation of people who will have the chance to learn the truth.
> Its this bigger picture that will have the potential to challenge long standing historical perceptions.
>
> Cate
>
>
>
>
Re: For Leicester
2012-10-31 16:38:43
Cate,
i totally agree.
Liz
From: "collerhe@..." <collerhe@...>
To:
Sent: Wednesday, 31 October 2012, 14:05
Subject: For Leicester
I have been following the re-internment discussion very closely and wish to ask why not Leicester Cathedral and Leicester. I admit that its not an overseas tourist destination like York but please look at the church it is a beautiful building
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leicester_Cathedral
There is already a memorial stone to Richard there in the chancel of the church with flowers and his portrait. This done well before the events of this fall.
Also in Leicester park is a moving statue to Richard surrounded by a rose garden.
There is a long standing connexion in the East Midlands with Richard
Re-internment at Leicester means that Richard would be the principal focus of the church and area, with Bosworth and other connected places well within reach. A fitting memorial.
Is it Crass commercialism to want Richard there yes,, that is how things survive but it is also a chance to bump up the profile of a much maligned King in an area that really really wants to have him there.
The Leicester city council are making tentative plans for a new museum/ visitor centre with Richard and 15th century England as a centrepiece. So yes bus trips and tourists BUT also a whole new generation of people who will have the chance to learn the truth.
Its this bigger picture that will have the potential to challenge long standing historical perceptions.
Cate
i totally agree.
Liz
From: "collerhe@..." <collerhe@...>
To:
Sent: Wednesday, 31 October 2012, 14:05
Subject: For Leicester
I have been following the re-internment discussion very closely and wish to ask why not Leicester Cathedral and Leicester. I admit that its not an overseas tourist destination like York but please look at the church it is a beautiful building
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leicester_Cathedral
There is already a memorial stone to Richard there in the chancel of the church with flowers and his portrait. This done well before the events of this fall.
Also in Leicester park is a moving statue to Richard surrounded by a rose garden.
There is a long standing connexion in the East Midlands with Richard
Re-internment at Leicester means that Richard would be the principal focus of the church and area, with Bosworth and other connected places well within reach. A fitting memorial.
Is it Crass commercialism to want Richard there yes,, that is how things survive but it is also a chance to bump up the profile of a much maligned King in an area that really really wants to have him there.
The Leicester city council are making tentative plans for a new museum/ visitor centre with Richard and 15th century England as a centrepiece. So yes bus trips and tourists BUT also a whole new generation of people who will have the chance to learn the truth.
Its this bigger picture that will have the potential to challenge long standing historical perceptions.
Cate
Re: For Leicester
2012-10-31 16:41:03
Just a response to the unnecessarily emotive term "crass and commercial" used in earlier posts. And, actually, it's true. Leicester is fundamentally "un-touristy" in a way that's true of neither Westminster nor York. (I know both Leicester and York well, currently live in London, and spent 9 years working just down the road from Westminster Abbey.) But I agree with Marie - any tussle for the remains is unedifying and might even smack of "ownership", which I'm sure is an impression that no one wants to give.
Jonathan
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From: George Butterfield <gbutterf1@...>
To: "" <>
Sent: Wednesday, 31 October 2012, 16:17
Subject: Re: For Leicester
With respect what is your point?
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 31, 2012, at 10:28 AM, Jonathan Evans <jmcevans98@...> wrote:
>
>
> Leicester is actually less crass and commercial than either Westminster or York.
>
> Jonathan
>
> ________________________________
> From: "collerhe@..." <collerhe@...>
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, 31 October 2012, 14:05
> Subject: For Leicester
>
>
>
>
> I have been following the re-internment discussion very closely and wish to ask why not Leicester Cathedral and Leicester. I admit that its not an overseas tourist destination like York but please look at the church it is a beautiful building
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leicester_Cathedral
> There is already a memorial stone to Richard there in the chancel of the church with flowers and his portrait. This done well before the events of this fall.
> Also in Leicester park is a moving statue to Richard surrounded by a rose garden.
>
> There is a long standing connexion in the East Midlands with Richard
>
> Re-internment at Leicester means that Richard would be the principal focus of the church and area, with Bosworth and other connected places well within reach. A fitting memorial.
>
> Is it Crass commercialism to want Richard there yes,, that is how things survive but it is also a chance to bump up the profile of a much maligned King in an area that really really wants to have him there.
>
> The Leicester city council are making tentative plans for a new museum/ visitor centre with Richard and 15th century England as a centrepiece. So yes bus trips and tourists BUT also a whole new generation of people who will have the chance to learn the truth.
> Its this bigger picture that will have the potential to challenge long standing historical perceptions.
>
> Cate
>
>
>
>
Jonathan
________________________________
From: George Butterfield <gbutterf1@...>
To: "" <>
Sent: Wednesday, 31 October 2012, 16:17
Subject: Re: For Leicester
With respect what is your point?
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 31, 2012, at 10:28 AM, Jonathan Evans <jmcevans98@...> wrote:
>
>
> Leicester is actually less crass and commercial than either Westminster or York.
>
> Jonathan
>
> ________________________________
> From: "collerhe@..." <collerhe@...>
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, 31 October 2012, 14:05
> Subject: For Leicester
>
>
>
>
> I have been following the re-internment discussion very closely and wish to ask why not Leicester Cathedral and Leicester. I admit that its not an overseas tourist destination like York but please look at the church it is a beautiful building
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leicester_Cathedral
> There is already a memorial stone to Richard there in the chancel of the church with flowers and his portrait. This done well before the events of this fall.
> Also in Leicester park is a moving statue to Richard surrounded by a rose garden.
>
> There is a long standing connexion in the East Midlands with Richard
>
> Re-internment at Leicester means that Richard would be the principal focus of the church and area, with Bosworth and other connected places well within reach. A fitting memorial.
>
> Is it Crass commercialism to want Richard there yes,, that is how things survive but it is also a chance to bump up the profile of a much maligned King in an area that really really wants to have him there.
>
> The Leicester city council are making tentative plans for a new museum/ visitor centre with Richard and 15th century England as a centrepiece. So yes bus trips and tourists BUT also a whole new generation of people who will have the chance to learn the truth.
> Its this bigger picture that will have the potential to challenge long standing historical perceptions.
>
> Cate
>
>
>
>
Re: For Leicester
2012-10-31 17:19:28
Jonathan Evans wrote:
>
> Just a response to the unnecessarily emotive term "crass and commercial" used in earlier posts. And, actually, it's true. Leicester is fundamentally "un-touristy" in a way that's true of neither Westminster nor York. (I know both Leicester and York well, currently live in London, and spent 9 years working just down the road from Westminster Abbey.) But I agree with Marie - any tussle for the remains is unedifying and might even smack of "ownership", which I'm sure is an impression that no one wants to give.
Carol responds:
I can't claim to know England, having been there only once (a month in London commuting to Oxford via the oddly named "Oxford Tube" in 1993, the summer of no rain), but I agree that a public squabble over Richard's burial place can do the Richard III Society and similar organizations no good. We're already regarded (inaccurately and unfairly) as cranks and eccentrics who revere a monster and want to deny historical truth. I, personally, think that he should be left in Leicester, but the main thing is that he be reburied in a suitable place with an appropriate ceremony. Rather than thinking about Richard's wishes when he was alive, about which we can only speculate, perhaps we should think about what's best for Richard's reputation and its rehabilitation. Not that we really have any say in the matter.
Carol
>
> Just a response to the unnecessarily emotive term "crass and commercial" used in earlier posts. And, actually, it's true. Leicester is fundamentally "un-touristy" in a way that's true of neither Westminster nor York. (I know both Leicester and York well, currently live in London, and spent 9 years working just down the road from Westminster Abbey.) But I agree with Marie - any tussle for the remains is unedifying and might even smack of "ownership", which I'm sure is an impression that no one wants to give.
Carol responds:
I can't claim to know England, having been there only once (a month in London commuting to Oxford via the oddly named "Oxford Tube" in 1993, the summer of no rain), but I agree that a public squabble over Richard's burial place can do the Richard III Society and similar organizations no good. We're already regarded (inaccurately and unfairly) as cranks and eccentrics who revere a monster and want to deny historical truth. I, personally, think that he should be left in Leicester, but the main thing is that he be reburied in a suitable place with an appropriate ceremony. Rather than thinking about Richard's wishes when he was alive, about which we can only speculate, perhaps we should think about what's best for Richard's reputation and its rehabilitation. Not that we really have any say in the matter.
Carol
Re: For Leicester
2012-10-31 17:33:22
> Jonathan Evans wrote:
>>
>> Just a response to the unnecessarily emotive term "crass and
>> commercial" used in earlier posts. And, actually, it's true.Â
>> Leicester is fundamentally "un-touristy" in a way that's true of
>> neither Westminster nor York. (I know both Leicester and York
>> well, currently live in London, and spent 9 years working just down
>> the road from Westminster Abbey.)Â But I agree with Marie - any
>> tussle for the remains is unedifying and might even smack of
>> "ownership", which I'm sure is an impression that no one wants to
>> give.
>
> Carol responds:
>
> I can't claim to know England, having been there only once (a month
> in London commuting to Oxford via the oddly named "Oxford Tube" in
> 1993, the summer of no rain), but I agree that a public squabble
> over Richard's burial place can do the Richard III Society and
> similar organizations no good. We're already regarded (inaccurately
> and unfairly) as cranks and eccentrics who revere a monster and want
> to deny historical truth. I, personally, think that he should be
> left in Leicester, but the main thing is that he be reburied in a
> suitable place with an appropriate ceremony. Rather than thinking
> about Richard's wishes when he was alive, about which we can only
> speculate, perhaps we should think about what's best for Richard's
> reputation and its rehabilitation. Not that we really have any say
> in the matter.
>
> Carol
I personally prefer Leicester because it would be Richard's alone. You
could go there and enjoy seeing his last resting place and know that
everything there was for *him.* He'd be the focus, not relegated to a
corner or wherever they manage to place him. And it would be quiet! I
mean, have you ever tried to have a contemplative moment in
Westminster or York Minster? Especially Westminster is something of a
madhouse.
Gilda
>>
>> Just a response to the unnecessarily emotive term "crass and
>> commercial" used in earlier posts. And, actually, it's true.Â
>> Leicester is fundamentally "un-touristy" in a way that's true of
>> neither Westminster nor York. (I know both Leicester and York
>> well, currently live in London, and spent 9 years working just down
>> the road from Westminster Abbey.)Â But I agree with Marie - any
>> tussle for the remains is unedifying and might even smack of
>> "ownership", which I'm sure is an impression that no one wants to
>> give.
>
> Carol responds:
>
> I can't claim to know England, having been there only once (a month
> in London commuting to Oxford via the oddly named "Oxford Tube" in
> 1993, the summer of no rain), but I agree that a public squabble
> over Richard's burial place can do the Richard III Society and
> similar organizations no good. We're already regarded (inaccurately
> and unfairly) as cranks and eccentrics who revere a monster and want
> to deny historical truth. I, personally, think that he should be
> left in Leicester, but the main thing is that he be reburied in a
> suitable place with an appropriate ceremony. Rather than thinking
> about Richard's wishes when he was alive, about which we can only
> speculate, perhaps we should think about what's best for Richard's
> reputation and its rehabilitation. Not that we really have any say
> in the matter.
>
> Carol
I personally prefer Leicester because it would be Richard's alone. You
could go there and enjoy seeing his last resting place and know that
everything there was for *him.* He'd be the focus, not relegated to a
corner or wherever they manage to place him. And it would be quiet! I
mean, have you ever tried to have a contemplative moment in
Westminster or York Minster? Especially Westminster is something of a
madhouse.
Gilda
Re: For Leicester
2012-10-31 19:30:09
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>
> > Gilda said
<I personally prefer Leicester because it would be Richard's alone. You
could go there and enjoy seeing his last resting place and know that
everything there was for *him.* He'd be the focus, not relegated to a
corner or wherever they manage to place him. And it would be quiet! I
mean, have you ever tried to have a contemplative moment in
Westminster or York Minster? Especially Westminster is something of a
madhouse.
Gilda, that's a very good argument. Apart from anything else the Abbey is so crowded where on earth would they put him, much less give him a tomb that he deserves?
>
> > Gilda said
<I personally prefer Leicester because it would be Richard's alone. You
could go there and enjoy seeing his last resting place and know that
everything there was for *him.* He'd be the focus, not relegated to a
corner or wherever they manage to place him. And it would be quiet! I
mean, have you ever tried to have a contemplative moment in
Westminster or York Minster? Especially Westminster is something of a
madhouse.
Gilda, that's a very good argument. Apart from anything else the Abbey is so crowded where on earth would they put him, much less give him a tomb that he deserves?
Re: For Leicester
2012-10-31 21:29:39
Don't forget Richard was catholic and devout at that.Surely he'd want a catholic service and to be buried according to catholic rites
--- In , liz williams <ferrymansdaughter@...> wrote:
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> > > Gilda said
>
> <I personally prefer Leicester because it would be Richard's alone. You
> could go there and enjoy seeing his last resting place and know that
> everything there was for *him.* He'd be the focus, not relegated to a
> corner or wherever they manage to place him. And it would be quiet! I
> mean, have you ever tried to have a contemplative moment in
> Westminster or York Minster? Especially Westminster is something of a
> madhouse.
>
>
>
> Gilda, that's a very good argument. Apart from anything else the Abbey is so crowded where on earth would they put him, much less give him a tomb that he deserves?
>
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>
>
--- In , liz williams <ferrymansdaughter@...> wrote:
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> > > Gilda said
>
> <I personally prefer Leicester because it would be Richard's alone. You
> could go there and enjoy seeing his last resting place and know that
> everything there was for *him.* He'd be the focus, not relegated to a
> corner or wherever they manage to place him. And it would be quiet! I
> mean, have you ever tried to have a contemplative moment in
> Westminster or York Minster? Especially Westminster is something of a
> madhouse.
>
>
>
> Gilda, that's a very good argument. Apart from anything else the Abbey is so crowded where on earth would they put him, much less give him a tomb that he deserves?
>
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Re: For Leicester
2012-10-31 21:52:46
Well that leaves Westminster CATHEDRAL then - none of the others are Catholic anymore
________________________________
From: carole <carolejenkins57@...>
To:
Sent: Wednesday, 31 October 2012, 21:29
Subject: Re: For Leicester
Don't forget Richard was catholic and devout at that.Surely he'd want a catholic service and to be buried according to catholic rites
--- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, liz williams <ferrymansdaughter@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
>
> >
> > > Gilda said
>
> <I personally prefer Leicester because it would be Richard's alone. You
> could go there and enjoy seeing his last resting place and know that
> everything there was for *him.* He'd be the focus, not relegated to a
> corner or wherever they manage to place him. And it would be quiet! I
> mean, have you ever tried to have a contemplative moment in
> Westminster or York Minster? Especially Westminster is something of a
> madhouse.
>
>
>
> Gilda, that's a very good argument. Apart from anything else the Abbey is so crowded where on earth would they put him, much less give him a tomb that he deserves?
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________
From: carole <carolejenkins57@...>
To:
Sent: Wednesday, 31 October 2012, 21:29
Subject: Re: For Leicester
Don't forget Richard was catholic and devout at that.Surely he'd want a catholic service and to be buried according to catholic rites
--- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, liz williams <ferrymansdaughter@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
>
> >
> > > Gilda said
>
> <I personally prefer Leicester because it would be Richard's alone. You
> could go there and enjoy seeing his last resting place and know that
> everything there was for *him.* He'd be the focus, not relegated to a
> corner or wherever they manage to place him. And it would be quiet! I
> mean, have you ever tried to have a contemplative moment in
> Westminster or York Minster? Especially Westminster is something of a
> madhouse.
>
>
>
> Gilda, that's a very good argument. Apart from anything else the Abbey is so crowded where on earth would they put him, much less give him a tomb that he deserves?
>
>
>
>
>
Re: For Leicester
2012-10-31 22:06:41
The road between St George's Chapel and Westminster is going to get very busy also not to mention all the other Abbeys etc.
To coin a phrase " best to let sleeping Kings lie"
George
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 31, 2012, at 5:52 PM, liz williams <ferrymansdaughter@...> wrote:
> Well that leaves Westminster CATHEDRAL then - none of the others are Catholic anymore
>
> ________________________________
> From: carole <carolejenkins57@...>
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, 31 October 2012, 21:29
> Subject: Re: For Leicester
>
>
> Don't forget Richard was catholic and devout at that.Surely he'd want a catholic service and to be buried according to catholic rites
>
> --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, liz williams <ferrymansdaughter@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> >
> > >
> > > > Gilda said
> >
> > <I personally prefer Leicester because it would be Richard's alone. You
> > could go there and enjoy seeing his last resting place and know that
> > everything there was for *him.* He'd be the focus, not relegated to a
> > corner or wherever they manage to place him. And it would be quiet! I
> > mean, have you ever tried to have a contemplative moment in
> > Westminster or York Minster? Especially Westminster is something of a
> > madhouse.
> >
> >
> >
> > Gilda, that's a very good argument. Apart from anything else the Abbey is so crowded where on earth would they put him, much less give him a tomb that he deserves?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
To coin a phrase " best to let sleeping Kings lie"
George
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 31, 2012, at 5:52 PM, liz williams <ferrymansdaughter@...> wrote:
> Well that leaves Westminster CATHEDRAL then - none of the others are Catholic anymore
>
> ________________________________
> From: carole <carolejenkins57@...>
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, 31 October 2012, 21:29
> Subject: Re: For Leicester
>
>
> Don't forget Richard was catholic and devout at that.Surely he'd want a catholic service and to be buried according to catholic rites
>
> --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, liz williams <ferrymansdaughter@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> >
> > >
> > > > Gilda said
> >
> > <I personally prefer Leicester because it would be Richard's alone. You
> > could go there and enjoy seeing his last resting place and know that
> > everything there was for *him.* He'd be the focus, not relegated to a
> > corner or wherever they manage to place him. And it would be quiet! I
> > mean, have you ever tried to have a contemplative moment in
> > Westminster or York Minster? Especially Westminster is something of a
> > madhouse.
> >
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Re: For Leicester
2012-10-31 22:30:52
Couldn't agree more! Though I have unfortunately never been to Leicester (probably because it is less touristy, but that is something I will definitely make up next time I get the chance), I imagine it to be more like St Albans Cathedral (which I know very well), quiet and dignified.
I think the less touristy aspect would be the biggest plus point for Leicester, because there Richard would be special. In places like Westminster Abbey where every bit of wall is disguised by the memorial to someone or other, it would be difficult to have the opportunity for a moment of quiet reflection at his memorial (I tried it for Queen Anne this July...). A less touristy cathedral allows you to remember the man who is buried there, not tick off one more attraction.
I may not be very good at expressing my thoughts, but I think Richard should stay in Leicester. And next time I brave the 24 hour flight I will certainly visit the city, wherever Richard might end up being reinterred.
Best regards.
Dorothea
________________________________
From: "collerhe@..." <collerhe@...>
To:
Sent: Thursday, 1 November 2012 1:05 AM
Subject: For Leicester
I have been following the re-internment discussion very closely and wish to ask why not Leicester Cathedral and Leicester. I admit that its not an overseas tourist destination like York but please look at the church it is a beautiful building
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leicester_Cathedral
There is already a memorial stone to Richard there in the chancel of the church with flowers and his portrait. This done well before the events of this fall.
Also in Leicester park is a moving statue to Richard surrounded by a rose garden.
There is a long standing connexion in the East Midlands with Richard
Re-internment at Leicester means that Richard would be the principal focus of the church and area, with Bosworth and other connected places well within reach. A fitting memorial.
Is it Crass commercialism to want Richard there yes,, that is how things survive but it is also a chance to bump up the profile of a much maligned King in an area that really really wants to have him there.
The Leicester city council are making tentative plans for a new museum/ visitor centre with Richard and 15th century England as a centrepiece. So yes bus trips and tourists BUT also a whole new generation of people who will have the chance to learn the truth.
Its this bigger picture that will have the potential to challenge long standing historical perceptions.
Cate
I think the less touristy aspect would be the biggest plus point for Leicester, because there Richard would be special. In places like Westminster Abbey where every bit of wall is disguised by the memorial to someone or other, it would be difficult to have the opportunity for a moment of quiet reflection at his memorial (I tried it for Queen Anne this July...). A less touristy cathedral allows you to remember the man who is buried there, not tick off one more attraction.
I may not be very good at expressing my thoughts, but I think Richard should stay in Leicester. And next time I brave the 24 hour flight I will certainly visit the city, wherever Richard might end up being reinterred.
Best regards.
Dorothea
________________________________
From: "collerhe@..." <collerhe@...>
To:
Sent: Thursday, 1 November 2012 1:05 AM
Subject: For Leicester
I have been following the re-internment discussion very closely and wish to ask why not Leicester Cathedral and Leicester. I admit that its not an overseas tourist destination like York but please look at the church it is a beautiful building
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leicester_Cathedral
There is already a memorial stone to Richard there in the chancel of the church with flowers and his portrait. This done well before the events of this fall.
Also in Leicester park is a moving statue to Richard surrounded by a rose garden.
There is a long standing connexion in the East Midlands with Richard
Re-internment at Leicester means that Richard would be the principal focus of the church and area, with Bosworth and other connected places well within reach. A fitting memorial.
Is it Crass commercialism to want Richard there yes,, that is how things survive but it is also a chance to bump up the profile of a much maligned King in an area that really really wants to have him there.
The Leicester city council are making tentative plans for a new museum/ visitor centre with Richard and 15th century England as a centrepiece. So yes bus trips and tourists BUT also a whole new generation of people who will have the chance to learn the truth.
Its this bigger picture that will have the potential to challenge long standing historical perceptions.
Cate
Re: For Leicester
2012-10-31 23:11:44
Dorothea, you were most eloquent, and I agree with you.
Judy
Loyaulte me lie
________________________________
From: Dorothea Preis <dorotheapreis@...>
To: "" <>
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 5:30 PM
Subject: Re: For Leicester
Couldn't agree more! Though I have unfortunately never been to Leicester (probably because it is less touristy, but that is something I will definitely make up next time I get the chance), I imagine it to be more like St Albans Cathedral (which I know very well), quiet and dignified.
I think the less touristy aspect would be the biggest plus point for Leicester, because there Richard would be special. In places like Westminster Abbey where every bit of wall is disguised by the memorial to someone or other, it would be difficult to have the opportunity for a moment of quiet reflection at his memorial (I tried it for Queen Anne this July...). A less touristy cathedral allows you to remember the man who is buried there, not tick off one more attraction.
I may not be very good at expressing my thoughts, but I think Richard should stay in Leicester. And next time I brave the 24 hour flight I will certainly visit the city, wherever Richard might end up being reinterred.
Best regards.
Dorothea
________________________________
From: "collerhe@..." <collerhe@...>
To:
Sent: Thursday, 1 November 2012 1:05 AM
Subject: For Leicester
I have been following the re-internment discussion very closely and wish to ask why not Leicester Cathedral and Leicester. I admit that its not an overseas tourist destination like York but please look at the church it is a beautiful building
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leicester_Cathedral
There is already a memorial stone to Richard there in the chancel of the church with flowers and his portrait. This done well before the events of this fall.
Also in Leicester park is a moving statue to Richard surrounded by a rose garden.
There is a long standing connexion in the East Midlands with Richard
Re-internment at Leicester means that Richard would be the principal focus of the church and area, with Bosworth and other connected places well within reach. A fitting memorial.
Is it Crass commercialism to want Richard there yes,, that is how things survive but it is also a chance to bump up the profile of a much maligned King in an area that really really wants to have him there.
The Leicester city council are making tentative plans for a new museum/ visitor centre with Richard and 15th century England as a centrepiece. So yes bus trips and tourists BUT also a whole new generation of people who will have the chance to learn the truth.
Its this bigger picture that will have the potential to challenge long standing historical perceptions.
Cate
Judy
Loyaulte me lie
________________________________
From: Dorothea Preis <dorotheapreis@...>
To: "" <>
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 5:30 PM
Subject: Re: For Leicester
Couldn't agree more! Though I have unfortunately never been to Leicester (probably because it is less touristy, but that is something I will definitely make up next time I get the chance), I imagine it to be more like St Albans Cathedral (which I know very well), quiet and dignified.
I think the less touristy aspect would be the biggest plus point for Leicester, because there Richard would be special. In places like Westminster Abbey where every bit of wall is disguised by the memorial to someone or other, it would be difficult to have the opportunity for a moment of quiet reflection at his memorial (I tried it for Queen Anne this July...). A less touristy cathedral allows you to remember the man who is buried there, not tick off one more attraction.
I may not be very good at expressing my thoughts, but I think Richard should stay in Leicester. And next time I brave the 24 hour flight I will certainly visit the city, wherever Richard might end up being reinterred.
Best regards.
Dorothea
________________________________
From: "collerhe@..." <collerhe@...>
To:
Sent: Thursday, 1 November 2012 1:05 AM
Subject: For Leicester
I have been following the re-internment discussion very closely and wish to ask why not Leicester Cathedral and Leicester. I admit that its not an overseas tourist destination like York but please look at the church it is a beautiful building
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leicester_Cathedral
There is already a memorial stone to Richard there in the chancel of the church with flowers and his portrait. This done well before the events of this fall.
Also in Leicester park is a moving statue to Richard surrounded by a rose garden.
There is a long standing connexion in the East Midlands with Richard
Re-internment at Leicester means that Richard would be the principal focus of the church and area, with Bosworth and other connected places well within reach. A fitting memorial.
Is it Crass commercialism to want Richard there yes,, that is how things survive but it is also a chance to bump up the profile of a much maligned King in an area that really really wants to have him there.
The Leicester city council are making tentative plans for a new museum/ visitor centre with Richard and 15th century England as a centrepiece. So yes bus trips and tourists BUT also a whole new generation of people who will have the chance to learn the truth.
Its this bigger picture that will have the potential to challenge long standing historical perceptions.
Cate
Re: For Leicester
2012-10-31 23:28:04
Several people have noted that if there is a burial in Leicester, the focus will be on Richard. The city, the university, and the cathedral are all committed to the effort. It's a beautiful part of England, and Richard has been buried there for 500+ years. There is a garden with the lovely statue of Richard and the memorial in the Cathedral. And there is the Bosworth battlefield nearby.
Although it is convenient to travel all around the British Isles, Leicester is located almost in the middle of England and people who are drawn to the site will be able to get there in just a couple of hours from other parts of England.
I get chills when I think of it I want to be able to be there in person for Richard's reinterment. It will be a once-in-a-lifetime experience.
Loyaulte me lie,
Johanne
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Johanne L. Tournier
Email - jltournier60@...
or jltournier@...
"With God, all things are possible."
- Jesus of Nazareth
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From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of Dorothea Preis
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 7:31 PM
To:
Subject: Re: For Leicester
Couldn't agree more! Though I have unfortunately never been to Leicester (probably because it is less touristy, but that is something I will definitely make up next time I get the chance), I imagine it to be more like St Albans Cathedral (which I know very well), quiet and dignified.
I think the less touristy aspect would be the biggest plus point for Leicester, because there Richard would be special. In places like Westminster Abbey where every bit of wall is disguised by the memorial to someone or other, it would be difficult to have the opportunity for a moment of quiet reflection at his memorial (I tried it for Queen Anne this July...). A less touristy cathedral allows you to remember the man who is buried there, not tick off one more attraction.
I may not be very good at expressing my thoughts, but I think Richard should stay in Leicester. And next time I brave the 24 hour flight I will certainly visit the city, wherever Richard might end up being reinterred.
Best regards.
Dorothea
________________________________
From: "collerhe@... <mailto:collerhe%40uoguelph.ca> " <collerhe@... <mailto:collerhe%40uoguelph.ca> >
To: <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, 1 November 2012 1:05 AM
Subject: For Leicester
I have been following the re-internment discussion very closely and wish to ask why not Leicester Cathedral and Leicester. I admit that its not an overseas tourist destination like York but please look at the church it is a beautiful building
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leicester_Cathedral
There is already a memorial stone to Richard there in the chancel of the church with flowers and his portrait. This done well before the events of this fall.
Also in Leicester park is a moving statue to Richard surrounded by a rose garden.
There is a long standing connexion in the East Midlands with Richard
Re-internment at Leicester means that Richard would be the principal focus of the church and area, with Bosworth and other connected places well within reach. A fitting memorial.
Is it Crass commercialism to want Richard there yes,, that is how things survive but it is also a chance to bump up the profile of a much maligned King in an area that really really wants to have him there.
The Leicester city council are making tentative plans for a new museum/ visitor centre with Richard and 15th century England as a centrepiece. So yes bus trips and tourists BUT also a whole new generation of people who will have the chance to learn the truth.
Its this bigger picture that will have the potential to challenge long standing historical perceptions.
Cate
Although it is convenient to travel all around the British Isles, Leicester is located almost in the middle of England and people who are drawn to the site will be able to get there in just a couple of hours from other parts of England.
I get chills when I think of it I want to be able to be there in person for Richard's reinterment. It will be a once-in-a-lifetime experience.
Loyaulte me lie,
Johanne
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Johanne L. Tournier
Email - jltournier60@...
or jltournier@...
"With God, all things are possible."
- Jesus of Nazareth
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of Dorothea Preis
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 7:31 PM
To:
Subject: Re: For Leicester
Couldn't agree more! Though I have unfortunately never been to Leicester (probably because it is less touristy, but that is something I will definitely make up next time I get the chance), I imagine it to be more like St Albans Cathedral (which I know very well), quiet and dignified.
I think the less touristy aspect would be the biggest plus point for Leicester, because there Richard would be special. In places like Westminster Abbey where every bit of wall is disguised by the memorial to someone or other, it would be difficult to have the opportunity for a moment of quiet reflection at his memorial (I tried it for Queen Anne this July...). A less touristy cathedral allows you to remember the man who is buried there, not tick off one more attraction.
I may not be very good at expressing my thoughts, but I think Richard should stay in Leicester. And next time I brave the 24 hour flight I will certainly visit the city, wherever Richard might end up being reinterred.
Best regards.
Dorothea
________________________________
From: "collerhe@... <mailto:collerhe%40uoguelph.ca> " <collerhe@... <mailto:collerhe%40uoguelph.ca> >
To: <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, 1 November 2012 1:05 AM
Subject: For Leicester
I have been following the re-internment discussion very closely and wish to ask why not Leicester Cathedral and Leicester. I admit that its not an overseas tourist destination like York but please look at the church it is a beautiful building
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leicester_Cathedral
There is already a memorial stone to Richard there in the chancel of the church with flowers and his portrait. This done well before the events of this fall.
Also in Leicester park is a moving statue to Richard surrounded by a rose garden.
There is a long standing connexion in the East Midlands with Richard
Re-internment at Leicester means that Richard would be the principal focus of the church and area, with Bosworth and other connected places well within reach. A fitting memorial.
Is it Crass commercialism to want Richard there yes,, that is how things survive but it is also a chance to bump up the profile of a much maligned King in an area that really really wants to have him there.
The Leicester city council are making tentative plans for a new museum/ visitor centre with Richard and 15th century England as a centrepiece. So yes bus trips and tourists BUT also a whole new generation of people who will have the chance to learn the truth.
Its this bigger picture that will have the potential to challenge long standing historical perceptions.
Cate
Re: For Leicester
2012-11-01 03:44:57
I guess we all would love to be there in person! They will have to extend whichever cathedral it's going to be to be able to accommodate all of us. Maybe they could telecast the occasion?
Cheers,
Dorothea
________________________________
From: Johanne Tournier <jltournier60@...>
To:
Sent: Thursday, 1 November 2012 10:28 AM
Subject: RE: For Leicester
Several people have noted that if there is a burial in Leicester, the focus will be on Richard. The city, the university, and the cathedral are all committed to the effort. It's a beautiful part of England, and Richard has been buried there for 500+ years. There is a garden with the lovely statue of Richard and the memorial in the Cathedral. And there is the Bosworth battlefield nearby.
Although it is convenient to travel all around the British Isles, Leicester is located almost in the middle of England and people who are drawn to the site will be able to get there in just a couple of hours from other parts of England.
I get chills when I think of it I want to be able to be there in person for Richard's reinterment. It will be a once-in-a-lifetime experience.
Loyaulte me lie,
Johanne
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Johanne L. Tournier
Email - jltournier60@...
or jltournier@...
"With God, all things are possible."
- Jesus of Nazareth
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of Dorothea Preis
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 7:31 PM
To:
Subject: Re: For Leicester
Couldn't agree more! Though I have unfortunately never been to Leicester (probably because it is less touristy, but that is something I will definitely make up next time I get the chance), I imagine it to be more like St Albans Cathedral (which I know very well), quiet and dignified.
I think the less touristy aspect would be the biggest plus point for Leicester, because there Richard would be special. In places like Westminster Abbey where every bit of wall is disguised by the memorial to someone or other, it would be difficult to have the opportunity for a moment of quiet reflection at his memorial (I tried it for Queen Anne this July...). A less touristy cathedral allows you to remember the man who is buried there, not tick off one more attraction.
I may not be very good at expressing my thoughts, but I think Richard should stay in Leicester. And next time I brave the 24 hour flight I will certainly visit the city, wherever Richard might end up being reinterred.
Best regards.
Dorothea
________________________________
From: "collerhe@... <mailto:collerhe%40uoguelph.ca> " <collerhe@... <mailto:collerhe%40uoguelph.ca> >
To: <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, 1 November 2012 1:05 AM
Subject: For Leicester
I have been following the re-internment discussion very closely and wish to ask why not Leicester Cathedral and Leicester. I admit that its not an overseas tourist destination like York but please look at the church it is a beautiful building
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leicester_Cathedral
There is already a memorial stone to Richard there in the chancel of the church with flowers and his portrait. This done well before the events of this fall.
Also in Leicester park is a moving statue to Richard surrounded by a rose garden.
There is a long standing connexion in the East Midlands with Richard
Re-internment at Leicester means that Richard would be the principal focus of the church and area, with Bosworth and other connected places well within reach. A fitting memorial.
Is it Crass commercialism to want Richard there yes,, that is how things survive but it is also a chance to bump up the profile of a much maligned King in an area that really really wants to have him there.
The Leicester city council are making tentative plans for a new museum/ visitor centre with Richard and 15th century England as a centrepiece. So yes bus trips and tourists BUT also a whole new generation of people who will have the chance to learn the truth.
Its this bigger picture that will have the potential to challenge long standing historical perceptions.
Cate
Cheers,
Dorothea
________________________________
From: Johanne Tournier <jltournier60@...>
To:
Sent: Thursday, 1 November 2012 10:28 AM
Subject: RE: For Leicester
Several people have noted that if there is a burial in Leicester, the focus will be on Richard. The city, the university, and the cathedral are all committed to the effort. It's a beautiful part of England, and Richard has been buried there for 500+ years. There is a garden with the lovely statue of Richard and the memorial in the Cathedral. And there is the Bosworth battlefield nearby.
Although it is convenient to travel all around the British Isles, Leicester is located almost in the middle of England and people who are drawn to the site will be able to get there in just a couple of hours from other parts of England.
I get chills when I think of it I want to be able to be there in person for Richard's reinterment. It will be a once-in-a-lifetime experience.
Loyaulte me lie,
Johanne
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Johanne L. Tournier
Email - jltournier60@...
or jltournier@...
"With God, all things are possible."
- Jesus of Nazareth
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of Dorothea Preis
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 7:31 PM
To:
Subject: Re: For Leicester
Couldn't agree more! Though I have unfortunately never been to Leicester (probably because it is less touristy, but that is something I will definitely make up next time I get the chance), I imagine it to be more like St Albans Cathedral (which I know very well), quiet and dignified.
I think the less touristy aspect would be the biggest plus point for Leicester, because there Richard would be special. In places like Westminster Abbey where every bit of wall is disguised by the memorial to someone or other, it would be difficult to have the opportunity for a moment of quiet reflection at his memorial (I tried it for Queen Anne this July...). A less touristy cathedral allows you to remember the man who is buried there, not tick off one more attraction.
I may not be very good at expressing my thoughts, but I think Richard should stay in Leicester. And next time I brave the 24 hour flight I will certainly visit the city, wherever Richard might end up being reinterred.
Best regards.
Dorothea
________________________________
From: "collerhe@... <mailto:collerhe%40uoguelph.ca> " <collerhe@... <mailto:collerhe%40uoguelph.ca> >
To: <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, 1 November 2012 1:05 AM
Subject: For Leicester
I have been following the re-internment discussion very closely and wish to ask why not Leicester Cathedral and Leicester. I admit that its not an overseas tourist destination like York but please look at the church it is a beautiful building
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leicester_Cathedral
There is already a memorial stone to Richard there in the chancel of the church with flowers and his portrait. This done well before the events of this fall.
Also in Leicester park is a moving statue to Richard surrounded by a rose garden.
There is a long standing connexion in the East Midlands with Richard
Re-internment at Leicester means that Richard would be the principal focus of the church and area, with Bosworth and other connected places well within reach. A fitting memorial.
Is it Crass commercialism to want Richard there yes,, that is how things survive but it is also a chance to bump up the profile of a much maligned King in an area that really really wants to have him there.
The Leicester city council are making tentative plans for a new museum/ visitor centre with Richard and 15th century England as a centrepiece. So yes bus trips and tourists BUT also a whole new generation of people who will have the chance to learn the truth.
Its this bigger picture that will have the potential to challenge long standing historical perceptions.
Cate
Re: For Leicester
2012-11-01 22:02:14
--- In , liz williams <ferrymansdaughter@...> wrote:
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> which cities have a catholic cathedral
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> > > Gilda said
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> <I personally prefer Leicester because it would be Richard's alone. You
> could go there and enjoy seeing his last resting place and know that
> everything there was for *him.* He'd be the focus, not relegated to a
> corner or wherever they manage to place him. And it would be quiet! I
> mean, have you ever tried to have a contemplative moment in
> Westminster or York Minster? Especially Westminster is something of a
> madhouse.
>
>
>
> Gilda, that's a very good argument. Apart from anything else the Abbey is so crowded where on earth would they put him, much less give him a tomb that he deserves?
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> which cities have a catholic cathedral
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> ________________________________
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> > > Gilda said
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> <I personally prefer Leicester because it would be Richard's alone. You
> could go there and enjoy seeing his last resting place and know that
> everything there was for *him.* He'd be the focus, not relegated to a
> corner or wherever they manage to place him. And it would be quiet! I
> mean, have you ever tried to have a contemplative moment in
> Westminster or York Minster? Especially Westminster is something of a
> madhouse.
>
>
>
> Gilda, that's a very good argument. Apart from anything else the Abbey is so crowded where on earth would they put him, much less give him a tomb that he deserves?
>
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