Books, cont. - *The Seventh Son* by Reay Tannahill
Books, cont. - *The Seventh Son* by Reay Tannahill
2012-11-02 12:00:10
Hi, All -
I probably wouldn't have bought this book, because I had never heard of it,
and as far as I was concerned, it was just a work of Ricardian-themed
fiction, most of which is not that well written (like most recent fiction,
imho). It did pop up when I was searching in the kindle store, and of course
its protagonist is Richard, so I took note of it. However, the reason I
actually bought it is that on kindle it's an Audible.com audiobook. Hey,
off-hand I can't think of anything Ricardian on Audiobook - unless you count
Shakespeare's *Richard III* as Ricardian. So, I bought it. Last night I
started to listen to it - and so far, I think it's great!
Ms. Tannahill is a writer I had heard of but never read. Wikipedia
indicates that she was a Glaswegian and was a historian as well as a
novelist. *The Seventh Son* was apparently her last work of fiction and was
published in 2001, and Ms. Tannahill passed away in 2007.
I found a review of the book and extensive comments on the goodreads website
here:
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/767460.The_Seventh_Son
It's worth going to, not only for the information about *The Seventh Son*
but there are also links to a lot of other Ricardian fiction, as well as
WotR, Middle Ages, and so on. I found the reader comments particularly
interesting. There are references to *The Sunne in Splendour,* which seems
to be the favourite work of Ricardian fiction overall. Tannahill's book is
much shorter, and several people comment that her Richard is much more
realistic than many of the fictional portraits of Richard, which tend to
idealize him. They do say, however, that the book is so compact that some of
the other characters aren't as well rounded as Richard's. (The other two
which are seem to be Francis Lovell and Anne Neville.)
The book starts with Edward on the throne and Richard in the North in 1471
and ends with Bosworth. I found the dialog particularly witty, a bit
cynical, but Richard is nevertheless portrayed in charismatic terms. It is
well written and the quality is enhanced by the ability of the narrator,
Stephen Thorne, a Brit who is able to vary his voice to portray the
different characters. As you may have noticed, I particularly like his
Richard. <smile>
Loyaulte me lie,
Johanne
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Johanne L. Tournier
Email - jltournier60@...
or jltournier@...
"With God, all things are possible."
- Jesus of Nazareth
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I probably wouldn't have bought this book, because I had never heard of it,
and as far as I was concerned, it was just a work of Ricardian-themed
fiction, most of which is not that well written (like most recent fiction,
imho). It did pop up when I was searching in the kindle store, and of course
its protagonist is Richard, so I took note of it. However, the reason I
actually bought it is that on kindle it's an Audible.com audiobook. Hey,
off-hand I can't think of anything Ricardian on Audiobook - unless you count
Shakespeare's *Richard III* as Ricardian. So, I bought it. Last night I
started to listen to it - and so far, I think it's great!
Ms. Tannahill is a writer I had heard of but never read. Wikipedia
indicates that she was a Glaswegian and was a historian as well as a
novelist. *The Seventh Son* was apparently her last work of fiction and was
published in 2001, and Ms. Tannahill passed away in 2007.
I found a review of the book and extensive comments on the goodreads website
here:
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/767460.The_Seventh_Son
It's worth going to, not only for the information about *The Seventh Son*
but there are also links to a lot of other Ricardian fiction, as well as
WotR, Middle Ages, and so on. I found the reader comments particularly
interesting. There are references to *The Sunne in Splendour,* which seems
to be the favourite work of Ricardian fiction overall. Tannahill's book is
much shorter, and several people comment that her Richard is much more
realistic than many of the fictional portraits of Richard, which tend to
idealize him. They do say, however, that the book is so compact that some of
the other characters aren't as well rounded as Richard's. (The other two
which are seem to be Francis Lovell and Anne Neville.)
The book starts with Edward on the throne and Richard in the North in 1471
and ends with Bosworth. I found the dialog particularly witty, a bit
cynical, but Richard is nevertheless portrayed in charismatic terms. It is
well written and the quality is enhanced by the ability of the narrator,
Stephen Thorne, a Brit who is able to vary his voice to portray the
different characters. As you may have noticed, I particularly like his
Richard. <smile>
Loyaulte me lie,
Johanne
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Johanne L. Tournier
Email - jltournier60@...
or jltournier@...
"With God, all things are possible."
- Jesus of Nazareth
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Re: Books, cont. - *The Seventh Son* by Reay Tannahill
2012-11-02 15:23:23
Oh man! This is too funny. I just finished the Seventh Son a week ago and liked it. It's compactness is a negative though. If it was not so abrupt in many respects I would have liked it better. Specially the end was written in a sentence! With so many characters , the writer needed to provide at least a little bit of introduction to the characters ( like Sunne in Splendor:). I am reading another Ricardian Fiction, The White Boar at this time. The writer has so far called Richard a dwarf, an ape and below 5 ft tall...... So I am not sure I will read it much longer. But the book was written in the '20s so probably even sympathetic writers felt compelled to portray Richard negatively to an extent?
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On Nov 2, 2012, at 8:00 AM, Johanne Tournier <jltournier60@...> wrote:
> Hi, All -
>
> I probably wouldn't have bought this book, because I had never heard of it,
> and as far as I was concerned, it was just a work of Ricardian-themed
> fiction, most of which is not that well written (like most recent fiction,
> imho). It did pop up when I was searching in the kindle store, and of course
> its protagonist is Richard, so I took note of it. However, the reason I
> actually bought it is that on kindle it's an Audible.com audiobook. Hey,
> off-hand I can't think of anything Ricardian on Audiobook - unless you count
> Shakespeare's *Richard III* as Ricardian. So, I bought it. Last night I
> started to listen to it - and so far, I think it's great!
>
> Ms. Tannahill is a writer I had heard of but never read. Wikipedia
> indicates that she was a Glaswegian and was a historian as well as a
> novelist. *The Seventh Son* was apparently her last work of fiction and was
> published in 2001, and Ms. Tannahill passed away in 2007.
>
> I found a review of the book and extensive comments on the goodreads website
> here:
>
> http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/767460.The_Seventh_Son
>
> It's worth going to, not only for the information about *The Seventh Son*
> but there are also links to a lot of other Ricardian fiction, as well as
> WotR, Middle Ages, and so on. I found the reader comments particularly
> interesting. There are references to *The Sunne in Splendour,* which seems
> to be the favourite work of Ricardian fiction overall. Tannahill's book is
> much shorter, and several people comment that her Richard is much more
> realistic than many of the fictional portraits of Richard, which tend to
> idealize him. They do say, however, that the book is so compact that some of
> the other characters aren't as well rounded as Richard's. (The other two
> which are seem to be Francis Lovell and Anne Neville.)
>
> The book starts with Edward on the throne and Richard in the North in 1471
> and ends with Bosworth. I found the dialog particularly witty, a bit
> cynical, but Richard is nevertheless portrayed in charismatic terms. It is
> well written and the quality is enhanced by the ability of the narrator,
> Stephen Thorne, a Brit who is able to vary his voice to portray the
> different characters. As you may have noticed, I particularly like his
> Richard. <smile>
>
> Loyaulte me lie,
>
> Johanne
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Johanne L. Tournier
>
> Email - jltournier60@...
>
> or jltournier@...
>
> "With God, all things are possible."
>
> - Jesus of Nazareth
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
>
>
Ishita Bandyo
www.ishitabandyo.com
www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
On Nov 2, 2012, at 8:00 AM, Johanne Tournier <jltournier60@...> wrote:
> Hi, All -
>
> I probably wouldn't have bought this book, because I had never heard of it,
> and as far as I was concerned, it was just a work of Ricardian-themed
> fiction, most of which is not that well written (like most recent fiction,
> imho). It did pop up when I was searching in the kindle store, and of course
> its protagonist is Richard, so I took note of it. However, the reason I
> actually bought it is that on kindle it's an Audible.com audiobook. Hey,
> off-hand I can't think of anything Ricardian on Audiobook - unless you count
> Shakespeare's *Richard III* as Ricardian. So, I bought it. Last night I
> started to listen to it - and so far, I think it's great!
>
> Ms. Tannahill is a writer I had heard of but never read. Wikipedia
> indicates that she was a Glaswegian and was a historian as well as a
> novelist. *The Seventh Son* was apparently her last work of fiction and was
> published in 2001, and Ms. Tannahill passed away in 2007.
>
> I found a review of the book and extensive comments on the goodreads website
> here:
>
> http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/767460.The_Seventh_Son
>
> It's worth going to, not only for the information about *The Seventh Son*
> but there are also links to a lot of other Ricardian fiction, as well as
> WotR, Middle Ages, and so on. I found the reader comments particularly
> interesting. There are references to *The Sunne in Splendour,* which seems
> to be the favourite work of Ricardian fiction overall. Tannahill's book is
> much shorter, and several people comment that her Richard is much more
> realistic than many of the fictional portraits of Richard, which tend to
> idealize him. They do say, however, that the book is so compact that some of
> the other characters aren't as well rounded as Richard's. (The other two
> which are seem to be Francis Lovell and Anne Neville.)
>
> The book starts with Edward on the throne and Richard in the North in 1471
> and ends with Bosworth. I found the dialog particularly witty, a bit
> cynical, but Richard is nevertheless portrayed in charismatic terms. It is
> well written and the quality is enhanced by the ability of the narrator,
> Stephen Thorne, a Brit who is able to vary his voice to portray the
> different characters. As you may have noticed, I particularly like his
> Richard. <smile>
>
> Loyaulte me lie,
>
> Johanne
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Johanne L. Tournier
>
> Email - jltournier60@...
>
> or jltournier@...
>
> "With God, all things are possible."
>
> - Jesus of Nazareth
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
>
>
Re: Books, cont. - *The Seventh Son* by Reay Tannahill
2012-11-02 16:25:49
Hi, Ishita!
I should have noted that I am not really sure that Richard and Lovell are in the North at the start of the book, but they are on their way to London and mention is made of their passing the sites of all the previous battles of the WotR except one (I think it was Tewkesbury) that was not on the route they were following.
Yes, when it comes to Richard, I'd rather have *more* than less! That's just one thing in favour of *The Sunne in Splendour* (Sharon Kay Penman) and *We Speak No Treason* (Rosemary Hawley Jarman). They are reminiscent of *Gone With the Wind* in length, that they are filled with dozens of settings and characters, and the fact that they were written by ladies who were seemingly entranced by their principle character (a very good thing, in my view <smile>).
As Eileen noted a while ago, when I am reading about Richard, I am happy, until the events start to rush toward their fatal conclusion. As she said, Just like Titanic! I have read in a number of instances in the last couple of days that some people always tear up or even burst into tears when reading about Richard's headlong charge at Bosworth. Yup, that happens to me, too.
Speaking of Rosemary Hawley Jarman, I went looking for her comment about Shakespeare swallowing More whole and I didn't find it, but I did find that she's got a website here:
http://www.rosemaryhawleyjarman.com>
There's background info, a q-and-a, info on her books, and the one that really caught my eye, an article reproduced from the Bulletin in 2011 in which she talks about We Speak No Treason: 40 Years On. The really interesting thing to me is that she speaks of the presence of Richard's spirit in a very mystical way and which I feel is real, because I have something of the same feeling, although perhaps not in such a concrete way (but then I'm not writing a book about Richard yet).
There's an email address for R.H.J. I'd like to write to her to thank her for her book, and ask for her feelings in regard to the recent developments in Leicester.
Loyaulte me lie,
Johanne
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Johanne L. Tournier
Email - jltournier60@...
or jltournier@...
"With God, all things are possible."
- Jesus of Nazareth
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Subject: Re: Books, cont. - *The Seventh Son* by Reay Tannahill
Oh man! This is too funny. I just finished the Seventh Son a week ago and liked it. It's compactness is a negative though. If it was not so abrupt in many respects I would have liked it better. Specially the end was written in a sentence! With so many characters , the writer needed to provide at least a little bit of introduction to the characters ( like Sunne in Splendor:). I am reading another Ricardian Fiction, The White Boar at this time. The writer has so far called Richard a dwarf, an ape and below 5 ft tall...... So I am not sure I will read it much longer. But the book was written in the '20s so probably even sympathetic writers felt compelled to portray Richard negatively to an extent?
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I should have noted that I am not really sure that Richard and Lovell are in the North at the start of the book, but they are on their way to London and mention is made of their passing the sites of all the previous battles of the WotR except one (I think it was Tewkesbury) that was not on the route they were following.
Yes, when it comes to Richard, I'd rather have *more* than less! That's just one thing in favour of *The Sunne in Splendour* (Sharon Kay Penman) and *We Speak No Treason* (Rosemary Hawley Jarman). They are reminiscent of *Gone With the Wind* in length, that they are filled with dozens of settings and characters, and the fact that they were written by ladies who were seemingly entranced by their principle character (a very good thing, in my view <smile>).
As Eileen noted a while ago, when I am reading about Richard, I am happy, until the events start to rush toward their fatal conclusion. As she said, Just like Titanic! I have read in a number of instances in the last couple of days that some people always tear up or even burst into tears when reading about Richard's headlong charge at Bosworth. Yup, that happens to me, too.
Speaking of Rosemary Hawley Jarman, I went looking for her comment about Shakespeare swallowing More whole and I didn't find it, but I did find that she's got a website here:
http://www.rosemaryhawleyjarman.com>
There's background info, a q-and-a, info on her books, and the one that really caught my eye, an article reproduced from the Bulletin in 2011 in which she talks about We Speak No Treason: 40 Years On. The really interesting thing to me is that she speaks of the presence of Richard's spirit in a very mystical way and which I feel is real, because I have something of the same feeling, although perhaps not in such a concrete way (but then I'm not writing a book about Richard yet).
There's an email address for R.H.J. I'd like to write to her to thank her for her book, and ask for her feelings in regard to the recent developments in Leicester.
Loyaulte me lie,
Johanne
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Johanne L. Tournier
Email - jltournier60@...
or jltournier@...
"With God, all things are possible."
- Jesus of Nazareth
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of Richard Yahoo
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 12:13 PM
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Subject: Re: Books, cont. - *The Seventh Son* by Reay Tannahill
Oh man! This is too funny. I just finished the Seventh Son a week ago and liked it. It's compactness is a negative though. If it was not so abrupt in many respects I would have liked it better. Specially the end was written in a sentence! With so many characters , the writer needed to provide at least a little bit of introduction to the characters ( like Sunne in Splendor:). I am reading another Ricardian Fiction, The White Boar at this time. The writer has so far called Richard a dwarf, an ape and below 5 ft tall...... So I am not sure I will read it much longer. But the book was written in the '20s so probably even sympathetic writers felt compelled to portray Richard negatively to an extent?
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Re: Books, cont. - *The Seventh Son* by Reay Tannahill
2012-11-02 17:59:09
Johanne, I love Sunne in Splendor because of its swiping scope. All the characters are developed and the scene vivid! Is We Speak No Treason available in Kindle?
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On Nov 2, 2012, at 12:25 PM, Johanne Tournier <jltournier60@...> wrote:
> Hi, Ishita!
>
> I should have noted that I am not really sure that Richard and Lovell are in the North at the start of the book, but they are on their way to London and mention is made of their passing the sites of all the previous battles of the WotR except one (I think it was Tewkesbury) that was not on the route they were following.
>
> Yes, when it comes to Richard, I'd rather have *more* than less! That's just one thing in favour of *The Sunne in Splendour* (Sharon Kay Penman) and *We Speak No Treason* (Rosemary Hawley Jarman). They are reminiscent of *Gone With the Wind* in length, that they are filled with dozens of settings and characters, and the fact that they were written by ladies who were seemingly entranced by their principle character (a very good thing, in my view <smile>).
>
> As Eileen noted a while ago, when I am reading about Richard, I am happy, until the events start to rush toward their fatal conclusion. As she said, Just like Titanic! I have read in a number of instances in the last couple of days that some people always tear up or even burst into tears when reading about Richard's headlong charge at Bosworth. Yup, that happens to me, too.
>
> Speaking of Rosemary Hawley Jarman, I went looking for her comment about Shakespeare swallowing More whole and I didn't find it, but I did find that she's got a website here:
>
> http://www.rosemaryhawleyjarman.com>
>
> There's background info, a q-and-a, info on her books, and the one that really caught my eye, an article reproduced from the Bulletin in 2011 in which she talks about We Speak No Treason: 40 Years On. The really interesting thing to me is that she speaks of the presence of Richard's spirit in a very mystical way and which I feel is real, because I have something of the same feeling, although perhaps not in such a concrete way (but then I'm not writing a book about Richard yet).
>
> There's an email address for R.H.J. I'd like to write to her to thank her for her book, and ask for her feelings in regard to the recent developments in Leicester.
>
> Loyaulte me lie,
>
> Johanne
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Johanne L. Tournier
>
> Email - jltournier60@...
>
> or jltournier@...
>
> "With God, all things are possible."
>
> - Jesus of Nazareth
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of Richard Yahoo
> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 12:13 PM
> To:
> Subject: Re: Books, cont. - *The Seventh Son* by Reay Tannahill
>
> Oh man! This is too funny. I just finished the Seventh Son a week ago and liked it. It's compactness is a negative though. If it was not so abrupt in many respects I would have liked it better. Specially the end was written in a sentence! With so many characters , the writer needed to provide at least a little bit of introduction to the characters ( like Sunne in Splendor:). I am reading another Ricardian Fiction, The White Boar at this time. The writer has so far called Richard a dwarf, an ape and below 5 ft tall...... So I am not sure I will read it much longer. But the book was written in the '20s so probably even sympathetic writers felt compelled to portray Richard negatively to an extent?
>
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On Nov 2, 2012, at 12:25 PM, Johanne Tournier <jltournier60@...> wrote:
> Hi, Ishita!
>
> I should have noted that I am not really sure that Richard and Lovell are in the North at the start of the book, but they are on their way to London and mention is made of their passing the sites of all the previous battles of the WotR except one (I think it was Tewkesbury) that was not on the route they were following.
>
> Yes, when it comes to Richard, I'd rather have *more* than less! That's just one thing in favour of *The Sunne in Splendour* (Sharon Kay Penman) and *We Speak No Treason* (Rosemary Hawley Jarman). They are reminiscent of *Gone With the Wind* in length, that they are filled with dozens of settings and characters, and the fact that they were written by ladies who were seemingly entranced by their principle character (a very good thing, in my view <smile>).
>
> As Eileen noted a while ago, when I am reading about Richard, I am happy, until the events start to rush toward their fatal conclusion. As she said, Just like Titanic! I have read in a number of instances in the last couple of days that some people always tear up or even burst into tears when reading about Richard's headlong charge at Bosworth. Yup, that happens to me, too.
>
> Speaking of Rosemary Hawley Jarman, I went looking for her comment about Shakespeare swallowing More whole and I didn't find it, but I did find that she's got a website here:
>
> http://www.rosemaryhawleyjarman.com>
>
> There's background info, a q-and-a, info on her books, and the one that really caught my eye, an article reproduced from the Bulletin in 2011 in which she talks about We Speak No Treason: 40 Years On. The really interesting thing to me is that she speaks of the presence of Richard's spirit in a very mystical way and which I feel is real, because I have something of the same feeling, although perhaps not in such a concrete way (but then I'm not writing a book about Richard yet).
>
> There's an email address for R.H.J. I'd like to write to her to thank her for her book, and ask for her feelings in regard to the recent developments in Leicester.
>
> Loyaulte me lie,
>
> Johanne
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Johanne L. Tournier
>
> Email - jltournier60@...
>
> or jltournier@...
>
> "With God, all things are possible."
>
> - Jesus of Nazareth
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of Richard Yahoo
> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 12:13 PM
> To:
> Subject: Re: Books, cont. - *The Seventh Son* by Reay Tannahill
>
> Oh man! This is too funny. I just finished the Seventh Son a week ago and liked it. It's compactness is a negative though. If it was not so abrupt in many respects I would have liked it better. Specially the end was written in a sentence! With so many characters , the writer needed to provide at least a little bit of introduction to the characters ( like Sunne in Splendor:). I am reading another Ricardian Fiction, The White Boar at this time. The writer has so far called Richard a dwarf, an ape and below 5 ft tall...... So I am not sure I will read it much longer. But the book was written in the '20s so probably even sympathetic writers felt compelled to portray Richard negatively to an extent?
>
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Re: Books, cont. - *The Seventh Son* by Reay Tannahill
2012-11-02 18:41:17
Hi, Ishita
A quick check in the kindle store discloses We Speak No Treason Vol. 2: The White Rose Turned to Blood but no Volume 1??!! That makes no sense whatsoever!
One thing I had been avoiding using Kobo, which is on my Android Smartphone. But I searched and found that there are two books by Paul Murray Kendall available for free on Kobo Richard III and The Yorkist Age. Free is good!
I haven't yet done any searching for any other Ricardian books that may be available for Kobo rather than kindle. Perhaps *We Speak No Treason* is available for that platform. I'll be doing some more searching later and let you know what I find.
If you've got an Android phone or a tablet or even a regular laptop computer, you should be able to use Kobo. The only thing I'm not sure about is whether it's available outside of Canada.
Loyaulte me lie,
Johanne
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Johanne L. Tournier
Email - jltournier60@...
or jltournier@...
"With God, all things are possible."
- Jesus of Nazareth
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of Richard Yahoo
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 2:59 PM
To:
Cc: <>
Subject: Re: Books, cont. - *The Seventh Son* by Reay Tannahill
Johanne, I love Sunne in Splendor because of its swiping scope. All the characters are developed and the scene vivid! Is We Speak No Treason available in Kindle?
Ishita
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www.ishitabandyo.com
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On Nov 2, 2012, at 12:25 PM, Johanne Tournier <jltournier60@... <mailto:jltournier60%40hotmail.com> > wrote:
> Hi, Ishita!
>
> I should have noted that I am not really sure that Richard and Lovell are in the North at the start of the book, but they are on their way to London and mention is made of their passing the sites of all the previous battles of the WotR except one (I think it was Tewkesbury) that was not on the route they were following.
>
> Yes, when it comes to Richard, I'd rather have *more* than less! That's just one thing in favour of *The Sunne in Splendour* (Sharon Kay Penman) and *We Speak No Treason* (Rosemary Hawley Jarman). They are reminiscent of *Gone With the Wind* in length, that they are filled with dozens of settings and characters, and the fact that they were written by ladies who were seemingly entranced by their principle character (a very good thing, in my view <smile>).
>
> As Eileen noted a while ago, when I am reading about Richard, I am happy, until the events start to rush toward their fatal conclusion. As she said, Just like Titanic! I have read in a number of instances in the last couple of days that some people always tear up or even burst into tears when reading about Richard's headlong charge at Bosworth. Yup, that happens to me, too.
>
> Speaking of Rosemary Hawley Jarman, I went looking for her comment about Shakespeare swallowing More whole and I didn't find it, but I did find that she's got a website here:
>
> http://www.rosemaryhawleyjarman.com>
>
> There's background info, a q-and-a, info on her books, and the one that really caught my eye, an article reproduced from the Bulletin in 2011 in which she talks about We Speak No Treason: 40 Years On. The really interesting thing to me is that she speaks of the presence of Richard's spirit in a very mystical way and which I feel is real, because I have something of the same feeling, although perhaps not in such a concrete way (but then I'm not writing a book about Richard yet).
>
> There's an email address for R.H.J. I'd like to write to her to thank her for her book, and ask for her feelings in regard to the recent developments in Leicester.
>
> Loyaulte me lie,
>
> Johanne
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Johanne L. Tournier
>
> Email - jltournier60@... <mailto:jltournier60%40hotmail.com>
>
> or jltournier@... <mailto:jltournier%40xcountry.tv>
>
> "With God, all things are possible."
>
> - Jesus of Nazareth
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> From: <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto: <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Richard Yahoo
> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 12:13 PM
> To: <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Books, cont. - *The Seventh Son* by Reay Tannahill
>
> Oh man! This is too funny. I just finished the Seventh Son a week ago and liked it. It's compactness is a negative though. If it was not so abrupt in many respects I would have liked it better. Specially the end was written in a sentence! With so many characters , the writer needed to provide at least a little bit of introduction to the characters ( like Sunne in Splendor:). I am reading another Ricardian Fiction, The White Boar at this time. The writer has so far called Richard a dwarf, an ape and below 5 ft tall...... So I am not sure I will read it much longer. But the book was written in the '20s so probably even sympathetic writers felt compelled to portray Richard negatively to an extent?
>
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A quick check in the kindle store discloses We Speak No Treason Vol. 2: The White Rose Turned to Blood but no Volume 1??!! That makes no sense whatsoever!
One thing I had been avoiding using Kobo, which is on my Android Smartphone. But I searched and found that there are two books by Paul Murray Kendall available for free on Kobo Richard III and The Yorkist Age. Free is good!
I haven't yet done any searching for any other Ricardian books that may be available for Kobo rather than kindle. Perhaps *We Speak No Treason* is available for that platform. I'll be doing some more searching later and let you know what I find.
If you've got an Android phone or a tablet or even a regular laptop computer, you should be able to use Kobo. The only thing I'm not sure about is whether it's available outside of Canada.
Loyaulte me lie,
Johanne
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Johanne L. Tournier
Email - jltournier60@...
or jltournier@...
"With God, all things are possible."
- Jesus of Nazareth
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of Richard Yahoo
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 2:59 PM
To:
Cc: <>
Subject: Re: Books, cont. - *The Seventh Son* by Reay Tannahill
Johanne, I love Sunne in Splendor because of its swiping scope. All the characters are developed and the scene vivid! Is We Speak No Treason available in Kindle?
Ishita
Ishita Bandyo
www.ishitabandyo.com
www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
On Nov 2, 2012, at 12:25 PM, Johanne Tournier <jltournier60@... <mailto:jltournier60%40hotmail.com> > wrote:
> Hi, Ishita!
>
> I should have noted that I am not really sure that Richard and Lovell are in the North at the start of the book, but they are on their way to London and mention is made of their passing the sites of all the previous battles of the WotR except one (I think it was Tewkesbury) that was not on the route they were following.
>
> Yes, when it comes to Richard, I'd rather have *more* than less! That's just one thing in favour of *The Sunne in Splendour* (Sharon Kay Penman) and *We Speak No Treason* (Rosemary Hawley Jarman). They are reminiscent of *Gone With the Wind* in length, that they are filled with dozens of settings and characters, and the fact that they were written by ladies who were seemingly entranced by their principle character (a very good thing, in my view <smile>).
>
> As Eileen noted a while ago, when I am reading about Richard, I am happy, until the events start to rush toward their fatal conclusion. As she said, Just like Titanic! I have read in a number of instances in the last couple of days that some people always tear up or even burst into tears when reading about Richard's headlong charge at Bosworth. Yup, that happens to me, too.
>
> Speaking of Rosemary Hawley Jarman, I went looking for her comment about Shakespeare swallowing More whole and I didn't find it, but I did find that she's got a website here:
>
> http://www.rosemaryhawleyjarman.com>
>
> There's background info, a q-and-a, info on her books, and the one that really caught my eye, an article reproduced from the Bulletin in 2011 in which she talks about We Speak No Treason: 40 Years On. The really interesting thing to me is that she speaks of the presence of Richard's spirit in a very mystical way and which I feel is real, because I have something of the same feeling, although perhaps not in such a concrete way (but then I'm not writing a book about Richard yet).
>
> There's an email address for R.H.J. I'd like to write to her to thank her for her book, and ask for her feelings in regard to the recent developments in Leicester.
>
> Loyaulte me lie,
>
> Johanne
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Johanne L. Tournier
>
> Email - jltournier60@... <mailto:jltournier60%40hotmail.com>
>
> or jltournier@... <mailto:jltournier%40xcountry.tv>
>
> "With God, all things are possible."
>
> - Jesus of Nazareth
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> From: <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto: <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Richard Yahoo
> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 12:13 PM
> To: <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Books, cont. - *The Seventh Son* by Reay Tannahill
>
> Oh man! This is too funny. I just finished the Seventh Son a week ago and liked it. It's compactness is a negative though. If it was not so abrupt in many respects I would have liked it better. Specially the end was written in a sentence! With so many characters , the writer needed to provide at least a little bit of introduction to the characters ( like Sunne in Splendor:). I am reading another Ricardian Fiction, The White Boar at this time. The writer has so far called Richard a dwarf, an ape and below 5 ft tall...... So I am not sure I will read it much longer. But the book was written in the '20s so probably even sympathetic writers felt compelled to portray Richard negatively to an extent?
>
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Re: Books, cont. - *The Seventh Son* by Reay Tannahill
2012-11-02 22:13:20
Johanne Tournier wrote:
> The book ]"Seventh Son"] starts with Edward on the throne and Richard in the North in 1471 and ends with Bosworth. I found the dialog particularly witty, a bit cynical, but Richard is nevertheless portrayed in charismatic terms. It is well written and the quality is enhanced by the ability of the narrator, Stephen Thorne, a Brit who is able to vary his voice to portray the different characters. <snip>
Carol responds:
I haven't read "Seventh Son" (I get the idea from the reviews that it depicts a cynical Richard, which contrasts too markedly with my view of Richard to entice me to read it. (Not that I want him depicted as an angel, either, but his legislation and his few extant letters, as well as his remarks upon becoming king, don't suggest a cynic to me.)
However, I'm glad to hear of a Ricardian novel (or any historical novel) in which the characters have individual voices. Even Sharon Kay Penman, who does such a fine job of depicting individual personalities, makes all the characters in all her novels speak exactly the same way ("Jesu, we be trying hard to sound medieval!"). The worst Ricardian novel I've seen in terms of "voice" is "G: God and My Right" by Christopher Rae ("G," short for "Gloucester," is Francis Lovell's nickname for Richard. He's the one whose motto ought to be "loyalty binds me!"). In any case, Francis Lovell's first-person narrative voice is indistinguishable from that of the third-person narrator of the scenes involving the Tudor faction. I didn't like the book, as you can probably tell, and don't intend to read the sequel.
Carol
> The book ]"Seventh Son"] starts with Edward on the throne and Richard in the North in 1471 and ends with Bosworth. I found the dialog particularly witty, a bit cynical, but Richard is nevertheless portrayed in charismatic terms. It is well written and the quality is enhanced by the ability of the narrator, Stephen Thorne, a Brit who is able to vary his voice to portray the different characters. <snip>
Carol responds:
I haven't read "Seventh Son" (I get the idea from the reviews that it depicts a cynical Richard, which contrasts too markedly with my view of Richard to entice me to read it. (Not that I want him depicted as an angel, either, but his legislation and his few extant letters, as well as his remarks upon becoming king, don't suggest a cynic to me.)
However, I'm glad to hear of a Ricardian novel (or any historical novel) in which the characters have individual voices. Even Sharon Kay Penman, who does such a fine job of depicting individual personalities, makes all the characters in all her novels speak exactly the same way ("Jesu, we be trying hard to sound medieval!"). The worst Ricardian novel I've seen in terms of "voice" is "G: God and My Right" by Christopher Rae ("G," short for "Gloucester," is Francis Lovell's nickname for Richard. He's the one whose motto ought to be "loyalty binds me!"). In any case, Francis Lovell's first-person narrative voice is indistinguishable from that of the third-person narrator of the scenes involving the Tudor faction. I didn't like the book, as you can probably tell, and don't intend to read the sequel.
Carol
Re: Books, cont. - *The Seventh Son* by Reay Tannahill
2012-11-02 22:45:44
Hi, Carol -
I read in some of the reviews of *The Seventh Son,* which were generally
laudatory, the thing about Richard being portrayed in a rather cynical way.
In the beginning Richard seems a bit cynical, for the most part, Richard in
the book is not disagreeably cynical, and if he was, I would find it very
bothersome. He's intelligent and capable. His sense of humour is a bit on
the dry side at least. And he is a heroic character. It may be fairer to
describe Tannahill's portrait of Richard as being realistic - for example,
he marries Anne essentially for her property but comes to truly love her.
I wasn't thinking so much of the author's voice, though I do think that is
true, now that you mention it. I was speaking of the narrator of the
audiobook, Stephen Thorne, and he is excellent. As I said, he varies the
voices enough that it's easy to follow, like a radio play.
It's wonderful to be able to turn the light out and relax and listen to a
book being read aloud that features Richard as protagonist.
Johanne
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Johanne L. Tournier
Email - jltournier60@...
or jltournier@...
"With God, all things are possible."
- Jesus of Nazareth
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From:
[mailto:] On Behalf Of justcarol67
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 7:13 PM
To:
Subject: Re: Books, cont. - *The Seventh Son* by
Reay Tannahill
Johanne Tournier wrote:
> The book ]"Seventh Son"] starts with Edward on the throne and Richard in
the North in 1471 and ends with Bosworth. I found the dialog particularly
witty, a bit cynical, but Richard is nevertheless portrayed in charismatic
terms. It is well written and the quality is enhanced by the ability of the
narrator, Stephen Thorne, a Brit who is able to vary his voice to portray
the different characters. <snip>
Carol responds:
I haven't read "Seventh Son" (I get the idea from the reviews that it
depicts a cynical Richard, which contrasts too markedly with my view of
Richard to entice me to read it. (Not that I want him depicted as an angel,
either, but his legislation and his few extant letters, as well as his
remarks upon becoming king, don't suggest a cynic to me.)
However, I'm glad to hear of a Ricardian novel (or any historical novel) in
which the characters have individual voices. Even Sharon Kay Penman, who
does such a fine job of depicting individual personalities, makes all the
characters in all her novels speak exactly the same way ("Jesu, we be trying
hard to sound medieval!"). The worst Ricardian novel I've seen in terms of
"voice" is "G: God and My Right" by Christopher Rae ("G," short for
"Gloucester," is Francis Lovell's nickname for Richard. He's the one whose
motto ought to be "loyalty binds me!"). In any case, Francis Lovell's
first-person narrative voice is indistinguishable from that of the
third-person narrator of the scenes involving the Tudor faction. I didn't
like the book, as you can probably tell, and don't intend to read the
sequel.
Carol
I read in some of the reviews of *The Seventh Son,* which were generally
laudatory, the thing about Richard being portrayed in a rather cynical way.
In the beginning Richard seems a bit cynical, for the most part, Richard in
the book is not disagreeably cynical, and if he was, I would find it very
bothersome. He's intelligent and capable. His sense of humour is a bit on
the dry side at least. And he is a heroic character. It may be fairer to
describe Tannahill's portrait of Richard as being realistic - for example,
he marries Anne essentially for her property but comes to truly love her.
I wasn't thinking so much of the author's voice, though I do think that is
true, now that you mention it. I was speaking of the narrator of the
audiobook, Stephen Thorne, and he is excellent. As I said, he varies the
voices enough that it's easy to follow, like a radio play.
It's wonderful to be able to turn the light out and relax and listen to a
book being read aloud that features Richard as protagonist.
Johanne
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Johanne L. Tournier
Email - jltournier60@...
or jltournier@...
"With God, all things are possible."
- Jesus of Nazareth
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From:
[mailto:] On Behalf Of justcarol67
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 7:13 PM
To:
Subject: Re: Books, cont. - *The Seventh Son* by
Reay Tannahill
Johanne Tournier wrote:
> The book ]"Seventh Son"] starts with Edward on the throne and Richard in
the North in 1471 and ends with Bosworth. I found the dialog particularly
witty, a bit cynical, but Richard is nevertheless portrayed in charismatic
terms. It is well written and the quality is enhanced by the ability of the
narrator, Stephen Thorne, a Brit who is able to vary his voice to portray
the different characters. <snip>
Carol responds:
I haven't read "Seventh Son" (I get the idea from the reviews that it
depicts a cynical Richard, which contrasts too markedly with my view of
Richard to entice me to read it. (Not that I want him depicted as an angel,
either, but his legislation and his few extant letters, as well as his
remarks upon becoming king, don't suggest a cynic to me.)
However, I'm glad to hear of a Ricardian novel (or any historical novel) in
which the characters have individual voices. Even Sharon Kay Penman, who
does such a fine job of depicting individual personalities, makes all the
characters in all her novels speak exactly the same way ("Jesu, we be trying
hard to sound medieval!"). The worst Ricardian novel I've seen in terms of
"voice" is "G: God and My Right" by Christopher Rae ("G," short for
"Gloucester," is Francis Lovell's nickname for Richard. He's the one whose
motto ought to be "loyalty binds me!"). In any case, Francis Lovell's
first-person narrative voice is indistinguishable from that of the
third-person narrator of the scenes involving the Tudor faction. I didn't
like the book, as you can probably tell, and don't intend to read the
sequel.
Carol
Re: Books, cont. - *The Seventh Son* by Reay Tannahill
2012-11-02 23:08:52
--- In , "justcarol67" <justcarol67@...> wrote:
> [Carol says]:
>
>
> However, I'm glad to hear of a Ricardian novel (or any historical novel) in which the characters have individual voices. Even Sharon Kay Penman, who does such a fine job of depicting individual personalities, makes all the characters in all her novels speak exactly the same way ("Jesu, we be trying hard to sound medieval!"). The worst Ricardian novel I've seen in terms of "voice" is "G: God and My Right" by Christopher Rae ("G," short for "Gloucester," is Francis Lovell's nickname for Richard. He's the one whose motto ought to be "loyalty binds me!"). In any case, Francis Lovell's first-person narrative voice is indistinguishable from that of the third-person narrator of the scenes involving the Tudor faction. I didn't like the book, as you can probably tell, and don't intend to read the sequel.
[Katy says}
I think the worst WotR "voice" I can recall is Hotspur's dialog in Edith Pargeter's A Bloody Field By (Near?) Shrewsbury. She had him speak in dialect, and I couldn't wait till he died so I wouldn't have to wade through any more Yorkshire pudding.
Katy
> [Carol says]:
>
>
> However, I'm glad to hear of a Ricardian novel (or any historical novel) in which the characters have individual voices. Even Sharon Kay Penman, who does such a fine job of depicting individual personalities, makes all the characters in all her novels speak exactly the same way ("Jesu, we be trying hard to sound medieval!"). The worst Ricardian novel I've seen in terms of "voice" is "G: God and My Right" by Christopher Rae ("G," short for "Gloucester," is Francis Lovell's nickname for Richard. He's the one whose motto ought to be "loyalty binds me!"). In any case, Francis Lovell's first-person narrative voice is indistinguishable from that of the third-person narrator of the scenes involving the Tudor faction. I didn't like the book, as you can probably tell, and don't intend to read the sequel.
[Katy says}
I think the worst WotR "voice" I can recall is Hotspur's dialog in Edith Pargeter's A Bloody Field By (Near?) Shrewsbury. She had him speak in dialect, and I couldn't wait till he died so I wouldn't have to wade through any more Yorkshire pudding.
Katy
Re: Books, cont. - *The Seventh Son* by Reay Tannahill
2012-11-02 23:14:30
Haha!!!
Ishita
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On Nov 2, 2012, at 7:08 PM, "oregon_katy" <oregon_katy@...> wrote:
>
>
> --- In , "justcarol67" <justcarol67@...> wrote:
>
> > [Carol says]:
> >
> >
> > However, I'm glad to hear of a Ricardian novel (or any historical novel) in which the characters have individual voices. Even Sharon Kay Penman, who does such a fine job of depicting individual personalities, makes all the characters in all her novels speak exactly the same way ("Jesu, we be trying hard to sound medieval!"). The worst Ricardian novel I've seen in terms of "voice" is "G: God and My Right" by Christopher Rae ("G," short for "Gloucester," is Francis Lovell's nickname for Richard. He's the one whose motto ought to be "loyalty binds me!"). In any case, Francis Lovell's first-person narrative voice is indistinguishable from that of the third-person narrator of the scenes involving the Tudor faction. I didn't like the book, as you can probably tell, and don't intend to read the sequel.
>
> [Katy says}
>
> I think the worst WotR "voice" I can recall is Hotspur's dialog in Edith Pargeter's A Bloody Field By (Near?) Shrewsbury. She had him speak in dialect, and I couldn't wait till he died so I wouldn't have to wade through any more Yorkshire pudding.
>
> Katy
>
>
Ishita
Ishita Bandyo
www.ishitabandyo.com
www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
On Nov 2, 2012, at 7:08 PM, "oregon_katy" <oregon_katy@...> wrote:
>
>
> --- In , "justcarol67" <justcarol67@...> wrote:
>
> > [Carol says]:
> >
> >
> > However, I'm glad to hear of a Ricardian novel (or any historical novel) in which the characters have individual voices. Even Sharon Kay Penman, who does such a fine job of depicting individual personalities, makes all the characters in all her novels speak exactly the same way ("Jesu, we be trying hard to sound medieval!"). The worst Ricardian novel I've seen in terms of "voice" is "G: God and My Right" by Christopher Rae ("G," short for "Gloucester," is Francis Lovell's nickname for Richard. He's the one whose motto ought to be "loyalty binds me!"). In any case, Francis Lovell's first-person narrative voice is indistinguishable from that of the third-person narrator of the scenes involving the Tudor faction. I didn't like the book, as you can probably tell, and don't intend to read the sequel.
>
> [Katy says}
>
> I think the worst WotR "voice" I can recall is Hotspur's dialog in Edith Pargeter's A Bloody Field By (Near?) Shrewsbury. She had him speak in dialect, and I couldn't wait till he died so I wouldn't have to wade through any more Yorkshire pudding.
>
> Katy
>
>
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