Northumberland - Last Days of Richard III

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Hi, Johanne,

Thank you so much for taking the time and bother to check this. I haven't read Ashdown-Hill's book yet, I need to get it through interlibrary loan.

It frustrates me that so much is conjecture, but at the same time it's fun to 'conject'. What makes my head hurt is reading the differences in opinion on so many details and trying to peer through the fog of time to see the truth...which is impossible. But we still try.

I'm really looking forward to reading your review of "The Last Days of Richard III." They fill only 192 pages...*sniffle*. So sad.

~Wednesday

--- In , Johanne Tournier <jltournier60@...> wrote:
>
> Hi, Wednesday!
>
> I just finished reading John Ashdown-Hill's book late last night (I stayed
> up until 1:30 am (old time), because I couldn't put it down.)
>
>
>
> But - I didn't recall A-H saying anything about Northumberland's action (or
> inaction) during the Battle of Bosworth, funnily enough. I just went back
> and did a search on my kindle, and there are only three mentions of
> Northumberland in the whole book. The first speaks of him meeting up with
> the King's force on Saturday Aug. 20. The second mentions the King marching
> out of Leicester with Norfolk and Northumberland and the whole of the great
> host on Sunday Aug. 21. Finally the third mentions Norfolk, Surrey,
> Northumberland and Brackenbury along with the royal army in a discussion of
> whether Richard rode a white horse called "White Surrey" or "White Syrie"
> out of Leicester and into the battle.
>
>
>
> I really like Ashdown-Hill's book, and I especially appreciate his work, as
> I think it is the main impetus for the archeological dig at Leicester, which
> is potentially portentous for Ricardians. But I think his reconstruction of
> the battle might be considered controversial. I am going to try to write a
> more comprehensive review of the book, maybe tomorrow, because there are
> some aspects that are striking and I think merit fuller discussion.

Hi, Wednesday!



I am loving reading your posts, btw. They remind me a bit of another wit on
this list who goes by "mcjohn." You wouldn't be related by any chance?



It was not too much trouble to check on Ashdown-Hill's refs to
Northumberland, since I had just finished the kindle ebook. I will try to
get a longer review of his book done before the weekend - I have a paper to
prepare for next Wednesday and by the weekend I will be working on that.



Ashdown-Hill's book is worth reading and getting, but it has other strengths
(imho) than the way he handles the Battle of Bosworth.



I have a few other books that deal with Bosworth - hopefully in more detail,
and I may give some of them a skim to see what I can find.



More later,



Johanne

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(I've tried posting this twice from YahooGroup's site and keep getting the
"cannot retrieve message" message. So if this shows up it will be a miracle.
If it shows up multiple times.... ::kicks Yahoo::)

Hi, Johanne,

Thank you so much for taking the time and bother to check this. I haven't
read Ashdown-Hill's book yet, I need to get it through interlibrary loan.

It frustrates me that so much is conjecture, but at the same time it's fun
to 'conject'. What makes my head hurt is reading the differences in opinion
on so many details and trying to peer through the fog of time to see the
truth...which is impossible. But we still try.

I'm really looking forward to reading your review of "The Last Days of
Richard III." They fill only 192 pages...*sniffle*. So sad.

~Wednesday

--- In
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> , Johanne Tournier
<jltournier60@...> wrote:
>
> Hi, Wednesday!
>
> I just finished reading John Ashdown-Hill's book late last night (I stayed
> up until 1:30 am (old time), because I couldn't put it down.)
>
>
>
> But - I didn't recall A-H saying anything about Northumberland's action
(or
> inaction) during the Battle of Bosworth, funnily enough. I just went back
> and did a search on my kindle, and there are only three mentions of
> Northumberland in the whole book. The first speaks of him meeting up with
> the King's force on Saturday Aug. 20. The second mentions the King
marching
> out of Leicester with Norfolk and Northumberland and the whole of the
great
> host on Sunday Aug. 21. Finally the third mentions Norfolk, Surrey,
> Northumberland and Brackenbury along with the royal army in a discussion
of
> whether Richard rode a white horse called "White Surrey" or "White Syrie"
> out of Leicester and into the battle.
>
>
>
> I really like Ashdown-Hill's book, and I especially appreciate his work,
as
> I think it is the main impetus for the archeological dig at Leicester,
which
> is potentially portentous for Ricardians. But I think his reconstruction
of
> the battle might be considered controversial. I am going to try to write a
> more comprehensive review of the book, maybe tomorrow, because there are
> some aspects that are striking and I think merit fuller discussion.

Hi, Johanne!

> I am loving reading your posts, btw. They remind me a bit of another wit on
> this list who goes by "mcjohn." You wouldn't be related by any chance?

I don't think so. My real surname is a variation on ap Rosser, and I've been cringing lately at the thought my ancestors may have been on the wrong side at Bosworth. Then again, I've never forgiven them for leaving Wales for Canada in the 18th century, and so plan on wringing their necks when I meet them in the afterlife. If they did fight for He Who Shall Not Be Named, I'll just wring a little harder.

> It was not too much trouble to check on Ashdown-Hill's refs to
> Northumberland, since I had just finished the kindle ebook. I will try to
> get a longer review of his book done before the weekend - I have a paper to
> prepare for next Wednesday and by the weekend I will be working on that.

No rush. I have to figure out how to order the book through our local library which is an adventure in itself. I miss having access to a university, never mind a university library. The closest one is 100 miles away.

> Ashdown-Hill's book is worth reading and getting, but it has other strengths
> (imho) than the way he handles the Battle of Bosworth.

I want to read it, especially since the author was key in finding those bones.

~Wednesday