Book keepers

Marie made a comment about accepting the accuracy of times from 15th
century book keepers. Unfortunately, in my experience, 21st book
keepers have made all sorts of terrible mistakes! 15th century ones
were just as liable I suspect.

Henry VII was a book keeper who I would trust as far as I could throw.

Incidentally, I inadvertently said Edward's son was killed at
Tewkesbury. I meant Henry VI's of course!

Just goes to show mistakes can be made.

--- In , "willison2001"
<willison2001@y...> wrote:
> Marie made a comment about accepting the accuracy of times from
15th
> century book keepers. Unfortunately, in my experience, 21st book
> keepers have made all sorts of terrible mistakes! 15th century
ones
> were just as liable I suspect.
>
> Henry VII was a book keeper who I would trust as far as I could
throw.
>
> Incidentally, I inadvertently said Edward's son was killed at
> Tewkesbury. I meant Henry VI's of course!
>
> Just goes to show mistakes can be made.

Very clever!

Actually the book keepers to whom you refer were
(American) 'creative' accountants, not dull old book keepers, and
their errors were quite deliberate.

Marie

>
> Very clever!
>
> Actually the book keepers to whom you refer were
> (American) 'creative' accountants, not dull old book keepers, and
> their errors were quite deliberate.
>
> Marie

They may be 'dull' & 'old' to you, but our past was their present and
were they, like their American counterparts, beyond a bit of cooking
of the books occasionally at Ye Olde Enron Book Keeper's Guild,
perhaps, for an extra hogshead of Malmsey at Christmas? Times of
delivery could be fiddled or excluded.

As for dull, I don't think Henry thought he was. He seemed to be
taken up with the work. Good accounts were useful. It's just that
virtually everyone else thought he was a very boring 'scrooge' & even
Tudor writers are hard pressed to say a good word about him. I can't
imagine a Shakespeare play where the central character spends most of
the time discussing profit & loss & final accounts.

--- In , "willison2001"
<willison2001@y...> wrote:
> >
> > Very clever!
> >
> > Actually the book keepers to whom you refer were
> > (American) 'creative' accountants, not dull old book keepers, and
> > their errors were quite deliberate.
> >
> > Marie
>
> They may be 'dull' & 'old' to you, but our past was their present
and
> were they, like their American counterparts, beyond a bit of
cooking
> of the books occasionally at Ye Olde Enron Book Keeper's Guild,
> perhaps, for an extra hogshead of Malmsey at Christmas? Times of
> delivery could be fiddled or excluded.

What for??

Marie
>
> As for dull, I don't think Henry thought he was. He seemed to be
> taken up with the work. Good accounts were useful. It's just that
> virtually everyone else thought he was a very boring 'scrooge' &
even
> Tudor writers are hard pressed to say a good word about him. I
can't
> imagine a Shakespeare play where the central character spends most
of
> the time discussing profit & loss & final accounts.

It's a way of fiddling accounts if you claim non-delivery, but you
keep the goods, but don't pay.

--- In , "mariewalsh2003"
<marie@r...> wrote:
> --- In , "willison2001"
> <willison2001@y...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Very clever!
> > >
> > > Actually the book keepers to whom you refer were
> > > (American) 'creative' accountants, not dull old book keepers,
and
> > > their errors were quite deliberate.
> > >
> > > Marie
> >
> > They may be 'dull' & 'old' to you, but our past was their present
> and
> > were they, like their American counterparts, beyond a bit of
> cooking
> > of the books occasionally at Ye Olde Enron Book Keeper's Guild,
> > perhaps, for an extra hogshead of Malmsey at Christmas? Times of
> > delivery could be fiddled or excluded.
>
> What for??
>
> Marie
> >
> > As for dull, I don't think Henry thought he was. He seemed to be
> > taken up with the work. Good accounts were useful. It's just
that
> > virtually everyone else thought he was a very boring 'scrooge' &
> even
> > Tudor writers are hard pressed to say a good word about him. I
> can't
> > imagine a Shakespeare play where the central character spends most
> of
> > the time discussing profit & loss & final accounts.

--- In , "willison2001"
<willison2001@y...> wrote:
> It's a way of fiddling accounts if you claim non-delivery, but you
> keep the goods, but don't pay.

Soory, I wasn't asking that, I was asking seriously why Edward's
clerks would have falsified the dates of Richard's journey. This is
my last word on this subject, by the way.

Marie>
> --- In , "mariewalsh2003"
> <marie@r...> wrote:
> > --- In , "willison2001"
> > <willison2001@y...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Very clever!
> > > >
> > > > Actually the book keepers to whom you refer were
> > > > (American) 'creative' accountants, not dull old book keepers,
> and
> > > > their errors were quite deliberate.
> > > >
> > > > Marie
> > >
> > > They may be 'dull' & 'old' to you, but our past was their
present
> > and
> > > were they, like their American counterparts, beyond a bit of
> > cooking
> > > of the books occasionally at Ye Olde Enron Book Keeper's Guild,
> > > perhaps, for an extra hogshead of Malmsey at Christmas? Times
of
> > > delivery could be fiddled or excluded.
> >
> > What for??
> >
> > Marie
> > >
> > > As for dull, I don't think Henry thought he was. He seemed to
be
> > > taken up with the work. Good accounts were useful. It's just
> that
> > > virtually everyone else thought he was a very boring 'scrooge'
&
> > even
> > > Tudor writers are hard pressed to say a good word about him. I
> > can't
> > > imagine a Shakespeare play where the central character spends
most
> > of
> > > the time discussing profit & loss & final accounts.