test
test
2012-11-07 18:03:55
Please ignore this msg. It's only a test of my new internet provider.
Doug
Doug
Re: test
2012-11-07 19:41:20
I will ignore your message !
From:
[mailto:] On Behalf Of Douglas Eugene
Stamate
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 2:05 PM
To:
Cc: Doug Stamate
Subject: test
Please ignore this msg. It's only a test of my new internet provider.
Doug
From:
[mailto:] On Behalf Of Douglas Eugene
Stamate
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 2:05 PM
To:
Cc: Doug Stamate
Subject: test
Please ignore this msg. It's only a test of my new internet provider.
Doug
Re: test
2012-11-07 19:47:11
More LOLs......:0)
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Re: test
2012-11-07 20:17:19
...WHAT message...?
;)
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> --- In , "George Butterfield" <gbutterf1@> wrote:
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Re: test
2012-11-08 13:34:34
George Butterfield wrote:
"I will ignore your message !"
Can I get away with saying "Thanks for your ignorance?
Followed by "//snark//", of course!
"I will ignore your message !"
Can I get away with saying "Thanks for your ignorance?
Followed by "//snark//", of course!
test
2014-01-25 16:29:50
How's this?
---In , <destama@...> wrote:
?"[Blank!]"
Carol responds:
Doug, I think your posts are somehow showing up as quoted material, meaning that they don't show up at all unless we hit Reply and the three dots. You might want to copy and paste the post you're responding to before your response. That's what I do (when I'm not in a hurry or being lazy!)
Carol
Wednesday wrote:
"Why didn't the actual evidence survive? I'd say because someone profited from its destruction. Someone would have been damaged by its survival. So, we follow the power trail. Did anyone else profit but Tudor? (Did any remaining male Woodville profit by TR's destruction, or did it only affect Elizabeth of York and her siblings' legitimacy? Did Elizabeth Woodville profit -- we know ultimately she didn't.)
If Stillington wasn't a witness to the actual ceremony, then what evidence would the Council have found acceptable at the time?
Hearsay isn't admissible to legal courts today; was it then? Because if Stillington didn't witness the ceremony, then he came to Richard with hearsay?
Could Stillington or someone else have presented a list of witnesses to the Butler marriage, or gathered written depositions, or gotten the witnesses to present themselves to the Council?
How did Eleanor's family feel about Richard after TR? Did they support him at Bosworth?
If Stillington was only the bishop who drafted TR, then did Henry Tudor immediately order anyone else arrested in the aftermath of Bosworth who might have contributed evidence to support TR?
Do we have evidence of contemporary wholesale destruction of the records supporting the illegitimization of Edward IV's children and attempted destruction of TR, or can the destruction be traced only to a fire at Westminster decades later?
Would it help (or is it even possible) to make two lists: one of those Henry executed in the immediate aftermath of the battle, and another list of those he hounded or punished as quickly and harshly as he did Stlilington?"
Doug here:
FWIW, I've always presumed that Stillington produced a deposition, or depositions, and stood witness to their validity. *If* said deposition/s was/were by persons no longer living, that might also explain why Stillington was singled out after Bosworth; not only was he the person who'd drawn up TR for passage by Parliament, he was also the person who vouschafed (another word I've always wanted use!) the veracity of the claims made.
Doug
---In , <destama@...> wrote:
?"[Blank!]"
Carol responds:
Doug, I think your posts are somehow showing up as quoted material, meaning that they don't show up at all unless we hit Reply and the three dots. You might want to copy and paste the post you're responding to before your response. That's what I do (when I'm not in a hurry or being lazy!)
Carol
Wednesday wrote:
"Why didn't the actual evidence survive? I'd say because someone profited from its destruction. Someone would have been damaged by its survival. So, we follow the power trail. Did anyone else profit but Tudor? (Did any remaining male Woodville profit by TR's destruction, or did it only affect Elizabeth of York and her siblings' legitimacy? Did Elizabeth Woodville profit -- we know ultimately she didn't.)
If Stillington wasn't a witness to the actual ceremony, then what evidence would the Council have found acceptable at the time?
Hearsay isn't admissible to legal courts today; was it then? Because if Stillington didn't witness the ceremony, then he came to Richard with hearsay?
Could Stillington or someone else have presented a list of witnesses to the Butler marriage, or gathered written depositions, or gotten the witnesses to present themselves to the Council?
How did Eleanor's family feel about Richard after TR? Did they support him at Bosworth?
If Stillington was only the bishop who drafted TR, then did Henry Tudor immediately order anyone else arrested in the aftermath of Bosworth who might have contributed evidence to support TR?
Do we have evidence of contemporary wholesale destruction of the records supporting the illegitimization of Edward IV's children and attempted destruction of TR, or can the destruction be traced only to a fire at Westminster decades later?
Would it help (or is it even possible) to make two lists: one of those Henry executed in the immediate aftermath of the battle, and another list of those he hounded or punished as quickly and harshly as he did Stlilington?"
Doug here:
FWIW, I've always presumed that Stillington produced a deposition, or depositions, and stood witness to their validity. *If* said deposition/s was/were by persons no longer living, that might also explain why Stillington was singled out after Bosworth; not only was he the person who'd drawn up TR for passage by Parliament, he was also the person who vouschafed (another word I've always wanted use!) the veracity of the claims made.
Doug
Re: test
2014-01-25 18:28:52
How's this?
Carol responds:
Thanks, Doug. I can see the post now. You might want to repost the old one. <Smile>
Carol