Medieval-Styled Books in This Century

A few years ago, I bought one of these tome which a man named Brahm is making in Florida and fashioning after medieval books -- the sort that were chained in old libraries. His work has been featured in film/television, and he had a three-month waiting list when I ordered mine.

When I walked past mine today, it occurred to me some here might enjoy seeing Brahm's work. I have no affiliation with him or his work, other than being a happy customer.

Brahm's Bookworks: http://www.brahmsbookworks.com/

Thank you Wednesday....Better not let Johanne see this link...she does love books...:0)

--- In , "wednesday_mc" <wednesday.mac@...> wrote:
>
> A few years ago, I bought one of these tome which a man named Brahm is making in Florida and fashioning after medieval books -- the sort that were chained in old libraries. His work has been featured in film/television, and he had a three-month waiting list when I ordered mine.
>
> When I walked past mine today, it occurred to me some here might enjoy seeing Brahm's work. I have no affiliation with him or his work, other than being a happy customer.
>
> Brahm's Bookworks: http://www.brahmsbookworks.com/
>

Hah! You're too late! I already peeked!



But what I was thinking was - wouldn't a special edition with a medieval
binding be lovely for Richard's Book of Hours??



Loyaulte me lie,



Johanne



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Johanne L. Tournier



Email - jltournier60@...

or jltournier@...



"With God, all things are possible."

- Jesus of Nazareth

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



From:
[mailto:] On Behalf Of EileenB
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 5:31 PM
To:
Subject: Re: Medieval-Styled Books in This
Century





Thank you Wednesday....Better not let Johanne see this link...she does love
books...:0)

--- In
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> , "wednesday_mc"
<wednesday.mac@...> wrote:
>
> A few years ago, I bought one of these tome which a man named Brahm is
making in Florida and fashioning after medieval books -- the sort that were
chained in old libraries. His work has been featured in film/television, and
he had a three-month waiting list when I ordered mine.
>
> When I walked past mine today, it occurred to me some here might enjoy
seeing Brahm's work. I have no affiliation with him or his work, other than
being a happy customer.
>
> Brahm's Bookworks: http://www.brahmsbookworks.com/
>

OMG!!....:0) Did your fingers start hovering on the 'Buy Now' key....

But yes....a lovely binding like that would be absolutely perfect for Richard's Book of Hours...What a wonderful gift for a Ricardian....Eileen



--- In , Johanne Tournier <jltournier60@...> wrote:
>
> Hah! You're too late! I already peeked!
>
>
>
> But what I was thinking was - wouldn't a special edition with a medieval
> binding be lovely for Richard's Book of Hours??
>
>
>
> Loyaulte me lie,
>
>
>
> Johanne
>
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Johanne L. Tournier
>
>
>
> Email - jltournier60@...
>
> or jltournier@...
>
>
>
> "With God, all things are possible."
>
> - Jesus of Nazareth
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
>
> From:
> [mailto:] On Behalf Of EileenB
> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 5:31 PM
> To:
> Subject: Re: Medieval-Styled Books in This
> Century
>
>
>
>
>
> Thank you Wednesday....Better not let Johanne see this link...she does love
> books...:0)
>
> --- In
> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> , "wednesday_mc"
> <wednesday.mac@> wrote:
> >
> > A few years ago, I bought one of these tome which a man named Brahm is
> making in Florida and fashioning after medieval books -- the sort that were
> chained in old libraries. His work has been featured in film/television, and
> he had a three-month waiting list when I ordered mine.
> >
> > When I walked past mine today, it occurred to me some here might enjoy
> seeing Brahm's work. I have no affiliation with him or his work, other than
> being a happy customer.
> >
> > Brahm's Bookworks: http://www.brahmsbookworks.com/
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

No, fortunately, Eileen, I know when I have reached the limit of my credit.
For now at least!



The bindings are truly awe-inspiring, but most of the books seem to be magic
or astrology. Now if they were Richard III (of course), King Arthur, or JRR
Tolkien, I would have a harder time resisting the lure of those beautiful
bindings.


Oh, it looks like the company has been in business for a few years, so when
I am ready - as I said, I might talk to them about doing a custom job on
Richard's Book of Hours. Another thing that would be lovely would be to get
a copy of the edition of the English Bible that Richard owned. I haven't
looked into this - does anyone know - was it the Geneva Bible? (I may be off
on my dates, going from memory.)



Loyaulte me lie,



Johanne

PS - Gotta start thinking of saving my shekels for a trip to Leicester (or
York, or Worksop . . .) sometime in 2013! I want to emigrate to Britain! Jo



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Johanne L. Tournier



Email - jltournier60@...

or jltournier@...



"With God, all things are possible."

- Jesus of Nazareth

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



From:
[mailto:] On Behalf Of EileenB
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 6:17 PM
To:
Subject: Re: Medieval-Styled Books in This
Century





OMG!!....:0) Did your fingers start hovering on the 'Buy Now' key....

But yes....a lovely binding like that would be absolutely perfect for
Richard's Book of Hours...What a wonderful gift for a Ricardian....Eileen

--- In
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> , Johanne Tournier
<jltournier60@...> wrote:
>
> Hah! You're too late! I already peeked!
>
>
>
> But what I was thinking was - wouldn't a special edition with a medieval
> binding be lovely for Richard's Book of Hours??
>
>
>
> Loyaulte me lie,
>
>
>
> Johanne
>
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Johanne L. Tournier
>
>
>
> Email - jltournier60@...
>
> or jltournier@...
>
>
>
> "With God, all things are possible."
>
> - Jesus of Nazareth
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
>
> From:
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of EileenB
> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 5:31 PM
> To:
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Medieval-Styled Books in This
> Century
>
>
>
>
>
> Thank you Wednesday....Better not let Johanne see this link...she does
love
> books...:0)
>
> --- In
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> , "wednesday_mc"
> <wednesday.mac@> wrote:
> >
> > A few years ago, I bought one of these tome which a man named Brahm is
> making in Florida and fashioning after medieval books -- the sort that
were
> chained in old libraries. His work has been featured in film/television,
and
> he had a three-month waiting list when I ordered mine.
> >
> > When I walked past mine today, it occurred to me some here might enjoy
> seeing Brahm's work. I have no affiliation with him or his work, other
than
> being a happy customer.
> >
> > Brahm's Bookworks: http://www.brahmsbookworks.com/
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Regarding the designs of Brahms books, I know he'll leave off bits you don't want (like astrological), and his wife will work with you to figure out which sort of design you do want. So if you want something with a traditional 1400s codex design, that's possible. Brahms makes the closest thing to a medieval codex design I've seen yet.

None of the books have printed pages in them: they come with blank paper parchment pages. You can order them empty if you like and insert your own creations such as Tolkien or T.H. White or...whoever/whatever.

The classic designs have three staves (like a three ring binder, only they're not modern) to let you insert 8.5 x 11 paper. If you need A4 paper, Brahm can likely design the binding with that in mind. But he's not a traditional bookbinder.

His daughter's designs (new designs) look like they're pre-bound -- journals sewn on cords. You can't add or switch out pages, they're more of a 'permanent journal' design.

The easiest solution for Richard's Book of Hours would be to print out the pages of the book as you want them, then work with Brahm/his wife to get the exact binding you want.

Alternately, you might work with a traditional bookbinder to create signatures of the pages, but that's a heck of a lot of work and expense.

Another medieval-styled alternative is at renaissancebooks.com, but the majority of selections there are soft-bound leather meant for journals. They don't allow you to insert/change out pages as Brahms does. Most there are sewn to the leather binding itself.

I can take some pictures of the book by Brahms that I own if anyone's interested in how it works. I have the traditional medieval codex style, not the one sewn on cords.

~Wednesday


--- In , Johanne Tournier <jltournier60@...> wrote:
>
> No, fortunately, Eileen, I know when I have reached the limit of my credit.
> For now at least!
>
> The bindings are truly awe-inspiring, but most of the books seem to be magic or astrology. Now if they were Richard III (of course), King Arthur, or JRR Tolkien, I would have a harder time resisting the lure of those beautiful bindings.
>
>
> Oh, it looks like the company has been in business for a few years, so when I am ready - as I said, I might talk to them about doing a custom job on Richard's Book of Hours. Another thing that would be lovely would be to get a copy of the edition of the English Bible that Richard owned. I haven't looked into this - does anyone know - was it the Geneva Bible? (I may be off on my dates, going from memory.)
>
> Loyaulte me lie,>
>
> Johanne
>
> PS - Gotta start thinking of saving my shekels for a trip to Leicester (or
> York, or Worksop . . .) sometime in 2013! I want to emigrate to Britain! Jo

Please do!! I'm interested!



"Richard's Bible" would be great in the medieval codex-style binding. A
"Book of Hours," being intended to be more private and portable, would not
have had as heavy a binding.



This is fascinating!



Thanks, Wednesday!



Loyaulte me lie,



Johanne

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Johanne L. Tournier



Email - jltournier60@...

or jltournier@...



"With God, all things are possible."

- Jesus of Nazareth

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



From:
[mailto:] On Behalf Of wednesday_mc
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 8:58 PM
To:
Subject: Re: Medieval-Styled Books in This
Century





Regarding the designs of Brahms books, I know he'll leave off bits you don't
want (like astrological), and his wife will work with you to figure out
which sort of design you do want. So if you want something with a
traditional 1400s codex design, that's possible. Brahms makes the closest
thing to a medieval codex design I've seen yet.

None of the books have printed pages in them: they come with blank paper
parchment pages. You can order them empty if you like and insert your own
creations such as Tolkien or T.H. White or...whoever/whatever.

The classic designs have three staves (like a three ring binder, only
they're not modern) to let you insert 8.5 x 11 paper. If you need A4 paper,
Brahm can likely design the binding with that in mind. But he's not a
traditional bookbinder.

His daughter's designs (new designs) look like they're pre-bound -- journals
sewn on cords. You can't add or switch out pages, they're more of a
'permanent journal' design.

The easiest solution for Richard's Book of Hours would be to print out the
pages of the book as you want them, then work with Brahm/his wife to get the
exact binding you want.

Alternately, you might work with a traditional bookbinder to create
signatures of the pages, but that's a heck of a lot of work and expense.

Another medieval-styled alternative is at renaissancebooks.com, but the
majority of selections there are soft-bound leather meant for journals. They
don't allow you to insert/change out pages as Brahms does. Most there are
sewn to the leather binding itself.

I can take some pictures of the book by Brahms that I own if anyone's
interested in how it works. I have the traditional medieval codex style, not
the one sewn on cords.

~Wednesday

--- In
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> , Johanne Tournier
<jltournier60@...> wrote:
>
> No, fortunately, Eileen, I know when I have reached the limit of my
credit.
> For now at least!
>
> The bindings are truly awe-inspiring, but most of the books seem to be
magic or astrology. Now if they were Richard III (of course), King Arthur,
or JRR Tolkien, I would have a harder time resisting the lure of those
beautiful bindings.
>
>
> Oh, it looks like the company has been in business for a few years, so
when I am ready - as I said, I might talk to them about doing a custom job
on Richard's Book of Hours. Another thing that would be lovely would be to
get a copy of the edition of the English Bible that Richard owned. I haven't
looked into this - does anyone know - was it the Geneva Bible? (I may be off
on my dates, going from memory.)
>
> Loyaulte me lie,>
>
> Johanne
>
> PS - Gotta start thinking of saving my shekels for a trip to Leicester (or
> York, or Worksop . . .) sometime in 2013! I want to emigrate to Britain!
Jo

Hi, Johanne.

I think Richard's Bible would look great as a codex, which it likely was to begin with. Mine is heavy, weighing about 15 lbs. But it's no delicate work of art, it holds up with actual use.

Do you know if Richard's Book of Hours was sewn on cords and then bound in boards, or was the binding wraparound leather or something else? Neither is difficult if you wanted to do it yourself. Medieval binding isn't. The most difficult thing about the project would be getting a copy of the pages printed as signatures rather than single sheets. Otherwise, you'd have to do a stab binding, which simply isn't period.

If you're in a major metropolitan area or have a university nearby, bookbinder classes might be available to you. There are also online videos that show how to do various bindings, and there are a lot of books out there. You'd just need to figure out which kind of binding you wanted to use and then target learning that.

Is there a source for the pages themselves? Is the actual book still in its original binding, or was it rebound at some point? Unfortunately, many times in the past original bindings were simply thrown away when a book was being rebound. It's only recently the conservationists have realized how valuable the original bindings are.

As for my codex, it's made of leather and iron on boards.

I've uploaded 15 photos here for anyone who'd care to look:

https://picasaweb.google.com/115803462274233745688/RavenCodex?authuser=0&authkey=Gv1sRgCOasgeXQ6b3baA&feat=directlink

Let me know if the link doesn't work; I'm not sure I did it right.

~Wednesday


--- In , Johanne Tournier <jltournier60@...> wrote:
>
> Please do!! I'm interested!
>
> "Richard's Bible" would be great in the medieval codex-style binding. A
> "Book of Hours," being intended to be more private and portable, would not
> have had as heavy a binding.
>
> This is fascinating!
>
> Thanks, Wednesday!
>
> Loyaulte me lie,
>
> Johanne
>
>
> From:
> [mailto:] On Behalf Of wednesday_mc
> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 8:58 PM
> To:
> Subject: Re: Medieval-Styled Books in This
> Century
.
.
.
> Regarding the designs of Brahms books, I know he'll leave off bits you don't
> want (like astrological), and his wife will work with you to figure out
> which sort of design you do want. So if you want something with a
> traditional 1400s codex design, that's possible. Brahms makes the closest
> thing to a medieval codex design I've seen yet.
>
> None of the books have printed pages in them: they come with blank paper
> parchment pages. You can order them empty if you like and insert your own
> creations such as Tolkien or T.H. White or...whoever/whatever.
>
> The classic designs have three staves (like a three ring binder, only
> they're not modern) to let you insert 8.5 x 11 paper. If you need A4 paper,
> Brahm can likely design the binding with that in mind. But he's not a
> traditional bookbinder.
>
> His daughter's designs (new designs) look like they're pre-bound -- journals
> sewn on cords. You can't add or switch out pages, they're more of a
> 'permanent journal' design.
>
> The easiest solution for Richard's Book of Hours would be to print out the
> pages of the book as you want them, then work with Brahm/his wife to get the
> exact binding you want.
>
> Alternately, you might work with a traditional bookbinder to create
> signatures of the pages, but that's a heck of a lot of work and expense.
>
> Another medieval-styled alternative is at renaissancebooks.com, but the
> majority of selections there are soft-bound leather meant for journals. They
> don't allow you to insert/change out pages as Brahms does. Most there are
> sewn to the leather binding itself.
>
> I can take some pictures of the book by Brahms that I own if anyone's
> interested in how it works. I have the traditional medieval codex style, not
> the one sewn on cords.
>
> ~Wednesday

The biggest problem with Richard's Book of Hours is there doesn't seem to be much of it left intact. The pages reproduced in the Sutton/Visser-Fuchs book are few, and apparently even some of the extant ones have been harvested for illuminations, etc.

Judy

What about binding a nice edition of Raymon Lull's book of chivalry? It was the one book Caxton dedicated to Richard. Or look for the facsimile of the July 1485 Le Morte D'Arthur (printed, I think, from the copy in the J. Pierpont Morgan Library...the repro has a rough cloth-covered binding and would be grand, indeed, redone by Brahms).
 
Loyaulte me lie


________________________________
From: wednesday_mc <wednesday.mac@...>
To:
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 12:33 PM
Subject: Re: Medieval-Styled Books in This Century


 
Hi, Johanne.

I think Richard's Bible would look great as a codex, which it likely was to begin with. Mine is heavy, weighing about 15 lbs. But it's no delicate work of art, it holds up with actual use.

Do you know if Richard's Book of Hours was sewn on cords and then bound in boards, or was the binding wraparound leather or something else? Neither is difficult if you wanted to do it yourself. Medieval binding isn't. The most difficult thing about the project would be getting a copy of the pages printed as signatures rather than single sheets. Otherwise, you'd have to do a stab binding, which simply isn't period.

If you're in a major metropolitan area or have a university nearby, bookbinder classes might be available to you. There are also online videos that show how to do various bindings, and there are a lot of books out there. You'd just need to figure out which kind of binding you wanted to use and then target learning that.

Is there a source for the pages themselves? Is the actual book still in its original binding, or was it rebound at some point? Unfortunately, many times in the past original bindings were simply thrown away when a book was being rebound. It's only recently the conservationists have realized how valuable the original bindings are.

As for my codex, it's made of leather and iron on boards.

I've uploaded 15 photos here for anyone who'd care to look:

https://picasaweb.google.com/115803462274233745688/RavenCodex?authuser=0&authkey=Gv1sRgCOasgeXQ6b3baA&feat=directlink

Let me know if the link doesn't work; I'm not sure I did it right.

~Wednesday

--- In , Johanne Tournier <jltournier60@...> wrote:
>
> Please do!! I'm interested!
>
> "Richard's Bible" would be great in the medieval codex-style binding. A
> "Book of Hours," being intended to be more private and portable, would not
> have had as heavy a binding.
>
> This is fascinating!
>
> Thanks, Wednesday!
>
> Loyaulte me lie,
>
> Johanne
>
>
> From:
> [mailto:] On Behalf Of wednesday_mc
> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 8:58 PM
> To:
> Subject: Re: Medieval-Styled Books in This
> Century
.
.
.
> Regarding the designs of Brahms books, I know he'll leave off bits you don't
> want (like astrological), and his wife will work with you to figure out
> which sort of design you do want. So if you want something with a
> traditional 1400s codex design, that's possible. Brahms makes the closest
> thing to a medieval codex design I've seen yet.
>
> None of the books have printed pages in them: they come with blank paper
> parchment pages. You can order them empty if you like and insert your own
> creations such as Tolkien or T.H. White or...whoever/whatever.
>
> The classic designs have three staves (like a three ring binder, only
> they're not modern) to let you insert 8.5 x 11 paper. If you need A4 paper,
> Brahm can likely design the binding with that in mind. But he's not a
> traditional bookbinder.
>
> His daughter's designs (new designs) look like they're pre-bound -- journals
> sewn on cords. You can't add or switch out pages, they're more of a
> 'permanent journal' design.
>
> The easiest solution for Richard's Book of Hours would be to print out the
> pages of the book as you want them, then work with Brahm/his wife to get the
> exact binding you want.
>
> Alternately, you might work with a traditional bookbinder to create
> signatures of the pages, but that's a heck of a lot of work and expense.
>
> Another medieval-styled alternative is at renaissancebooks.com, but the
> majority of selections there are soft-bound leather meant for journals. They
> don't allow you to insert/change out pages as Brahms does. Most there are
> sewn to the leather binding itself.
>
> I can take some pictures of the book by Brahms that I own if anyone's
> interested in how it works. I have the traditional medieval codex style, not
> the one sewn on cords.
>
> ~Wednesday

Ideas to ponder. I haven't gotten the Book of Hours yet. I was hoping quite a few pages had survived. It may be possible to deduce which Bible he had and that's a natural for a codex-style binding. And your suggestions are wonderful, Judy!
Also Wednesday, the idea of learning bookbinding is wonderful one. We shall see! Depends on avail time balanced against avail funds. So many options!
Loyaulte me lie,
Johanne

-----Original Message-----

From: Judy Thomson
Sent: 14 Nov 2012 18:53:52 GMT
To:
Subject: Re: Re: Medieval-Styled Books in This Century

The biggest problem with Richard's Book of Hours is there doesn't seem to be much of it left intact. The pages reproduced in the Sutton/Visser-Fuchs book are few, and apparently even some of the extant ones have been harvested for illuminations, etc.

Judy

What about binding a nice edition of Raymon Lull's book of chivalry? It was the one book Caxton dedicated to Richard. Or look for the facsimile of the July 1485 Le Morte D'Arthur (printed, I think, from the copy in the J. Pierpont Morgan Library...the repro has a rough cloth-covered binding and would be grand, indeed, redone by Brahms).

Loyaulte me lie


________________________________
From: wednesday_mc <wednesday.mac@...>
To:
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 12:33 PM
Subject: Re: Medieval-Styled Books in This Century



Hi, Johanne.

I think Richard's Bible would look great as a codex, which it likely was to begin with. Mine is heavy, weighing about 15 lbs. But it's no delicate work of art, it holds up with actual use.

Do you know if Richard's Book of Hours was sewn on cords and then bound in boards, or was the binding wraparound leather or something else? Neither is difficult if you wanted to do it yourself. Medieval binding isn't. The most difficult thing about the project would be getting a copy of the pages printed as signatures rather than single sheets. Otherwise, you'd have to do a stab binding, which simply isn't period.

If you're in a major metropolitan area or have a university nearby, bookbinder classes might be available to you. There are also online videos that show how to do various bindings, and there are a lot of books out there. You'd just need to figure out which kind of binding you wanted to use and then target learning that.

Is there a source for the pages themselves? Is the actual book still in its original binding, or was it rebound at some point? Unfortunately, many times in the past original bindings were simply thrown away when a book was being rebound. It's only recently the conservationists have realized how valuable the original bindings are.

As for my codex, it's made of leather and iron on boards.

I've uploaded 15 photos here for anyone who'd care to look:

https://picasaweb.google.com/115803462274233745688/RavenCodex?authuser=0&authkey=Gv1sRgCOasgeXQ6b3baA&feat=directlink

Let me know if the link doesn't work; I'm not sure I did it right.

~Wednesday

--- In , Johanne Tournier <jltournier60@...> wrote:
>
> Please do!! I'm interested!
>
> "Richard's Bible" would be great in the medieval codex-style binding. A
> "Book of Hours," being intended to be more private and portable, would not
> have had as heavy a binding.
>
> This is fascinating!
>
> Thanks, Wednesday!
>
> Loyaulte me lie,
>
> Johanne
>
>
> From:
> [mailto:] On Behalf Of wednesday_mc
> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 8:58 PM
> To:
> Subject: Re: Medieval-Styled Books in This
> Century
.
.
.
> Regarding the designs of Brahms books, I know he'll leave off bits you don't
> want (like astrological), and his wife will work with you to figure out
> which sort of design you do want. So if you want something with a
> traditional 1400s codex design, that's possible. Brahms makes the closest
> thing to a medieval codex design I've seen yet.
>
> None of the books have printed pages in them: they come with blank paper
> parchment pages. You can order them empty if you like and insert your own
> creations such as Tolkien or T.H. White or...whoever/whatever.
>
> The classic designs have three staves (like a three ring binder, only
> they're not modern) to let you insert 8.5 x 11 paper. If you need A4 paper,
> Brahm can likely design the binding with that in mind. But he's not a
> traditional bookbinder.
>
> His daughter's designs (new designs) look like they're pre-bound -- journals
> sewn on cords. You can't add or switch out pages, they're more of a
> 'permanent journal' design.
>
> The easiest solution for Richard's Book of Hours would be to print out the
> pages of the book as you want them, then work with Brahm/his wife to get the
> exact binding you want.
>
> Alternately, you might work with a traditional bookbinder to create
> signatures of the pages, but that's a heck of a lot of work and expense.
>
> Another medieval-styled alternative is at renaissancebooks.com, but the
> majority of selections there are soft-bound leather meant for journals. They
> don't allow you to insert/change out pages as Brahms does. Most there are
> sewn to the leather binding itself.
>
> I can take some pictures of the book by Brahms that I own if anyone's
> interested in how it works. I have the traditional medieval codex style, not
> the one sewn on cords.
>
> ~Wednesday

I remember being in a used bookstore in Chicago or Los Angeles in the 90s, and watching the owner cut up a Book of Hours because he could make more selling the individual pages than he could selling the entire book. Is that what happened with Richard's?

It's a fairly simple thing to learn illumination, and to use the same materials used then--right down to the lapis lazuli and parchment/vellum -- though actually making the parchment/vellum...oh, ickle. I will never understand...oh, never mind. I know it's far faster to buy the real thing, hang it on a wall, and point at it in proud ownership.

There are other Books of Hours, and the interiors are pretty basic. I suppose one could pick and choose the pages, copy and assemble a facsimile, but...no joy.

~Wednesday


--- In , Judy Thomson <judygerard.thomson@...> wrote:
>
> The biggest problem with Richard's Book of Hours is there doesn't seem to be much of it left intact. The pages reproduced in the Sutton/Visser-Fuchs book are few, and apparently even some of the extant ones have been harvested for illuminations, etc.
>
> Judy
>
> What about binding a nice edition of Raymon Lull's book of chivalry? It was the one book Caxton dedicated to Richard. Or look for the facsimile of the July 1485 Le Morte D'Arthur (printed, I think, from the copy in the J. Pierpont Morgan Library...the repro has a rough cloth-covered binding and would be grand, indeed, redone by Brahms).
>  
> Loyaulte me lie

I was into calligraphy and illumination as a teen - my pre-Ricardian days. I did a lot inspired by Dracula, also a nice page illuminating Emily Dickinson's poem Wild Nights. I don't know if I'll ever get back into it - so labor-intensive.
But - if it's not possible to reproduce RIII's Book of Hours, it would be nice to at least have one or more pages nicely framed for display.
Loyaulte me lie,
Johanne

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From: wednesday_mc
Sent: 14 Nov 2012 19:15:24 GMT
To:
Subject: Re: Medieval-Styled Books in This Century

I remember being in a used bookstore in Chicago or Los Angeles in the 90s, and watching the owner cut up a Book of Hours because he could make more selling the individual pages than he could selling the entire book. Is that what happened with Richard's?

It's a fairly simple thing to learn illumination, and to use the same materials used then--right down to the lapis lazuli and parchment/vellum -- though actually making the parchment/vellum...oh, ickle. I will never understand...oh, never mind. I know it's far faster to buy the real thing, hang it on a wall, and point at it in proud ownership.

There are other Books of Hours, and the interiors are pretty basic. I suppose one could pick and choose the pages, copy and assemble a facsimile, but...no joy.

~Wednesday


--- In , Judy Thomson <judygerard.thomson@...> wrote:
>
> The biggest problem with Richard's Book of Hours is there doesn't seem to be much of it left intact. The pages reproduced in the Sutton/Visser-Fuchs book are few, and apparently even some of the extant ones have been harvested for illuminations, etc.
>
> Judy
>
> What about binding a nice edition of Raymon Lull's book of chivalry? It was the one book Caxton dedicated to Richard. Or look for the facsimile of the July 1485 Le Morte D'Arthur (printed, I think, from the copy in the J. Pierpont Morgan Library...the repro has a rough cloth-covered binding and would be grand, indeed, redone by Brahms).
> Â
> Loyaulte me lie

Richard's was a Wycliffe Bible, made about 1390, and aka a Lollard Bible. It was in English.

Judy
 
Loyaulte me lie


________________________________
From: Johanne Tournier <jltournier60@...>
To:
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 1:05 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Medieval-Styled Books in This Century


 
Ideas to ponder. I haven't gotten the Book of Hours yet. I was hoping quite a few pages had survived. It may be possible to deduce which Bible he had and that's a natural for a codex-style binding. And your suggestions are wonderful, Judy!
Also Wednesday, the idea of learning bookbinding is wonderful one. We shall see! Depends on avail time balanced against avail funds. So many options!
Loyaulte me lie,
Johanne

-----Original Message-----

From: Judy Thomson
Sent: 14 Nov 2012 18:53:52 GMT
To:
Subject: Re: Re: Medieval-Styled Books in This Century

The biggest problem with Richard's Book of Hours is there doesn't seem to be much of it left intact. The pages reproduced in the Sutton/Visser-Fuchs book are few, and apparently even some of the extant ones have been harvested for illuminations, etc.

Judy

What about binding a nice edition of Raymon Lull's book of chivalry? It was the one book Caxton dedicated to Richard. Or look for the facsimile of the July 1485 Le Morte D'Arthur (printed, I think, from the copy in the J. Pierpont Morgan Library...the repro has a rough cloth-covered binding and would be grand, indeed, redone by Brahms).

Loyaulte me lie

________________________________
From: wednesday_mc <wednesday.mac@...>
To:
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 12:33 PM
Subject: Re: Medieval-Styled Books in This Century

Hi, Johanne.

I think Richard's Bible would look great as a codex, which it likely was to begin with. Mine is heavy, weighing about 15 lbs. But it's no delicate work of art, it holds up with actual use.

Do you know if Richard's Book of Hours was sewn on cords and then bound in boards, or was the binding wraparound leather or something else? Neither is difficult if you wanted to do it yourself. Medieval binding isn't. The most difficult thing about the project would be getting a copy of the pages printed as signatures rather than single sheets. Otherwise, you'd have to do a stab binding, which simply isn't period.

If you're in a major metropolitan area or have a university nearby, bookbinder classes might be available to you. There are also online videos that show how to do various bindings, and there are a lot of books out there. You'd just need to figure out which kind of binding you wanted to use and then target learning that.

Is there a source for the pages themselves? Is the actual book still in its original binding, or was it rebound at some point? Unfortunately, many times in the past original bindings were simply thrown away when a book was being rebound. It's only recently the conservationists have realized how valuable the original bindings are.

As for my codex, it's made of leather and iron on boards.

I've uploaded 15 photos here for anyone who'd care to look:

https://picasaweb.google.com/115803462274233745688/RavenCodex?authuser=0&authkey=Gv1sRgCOasgeXQ6b3baA&feat=directlink

Let me know if the link doesn't work; I'm not sure I did it right.

~Wednesday

--- In , Johanne Tournier <jltournier60@...> wrote:
>
> Please do!! I'm interested!
>
> "Richard's Bible" would be great in the medieval codex-style binding. A
> "Book of Hours," being intended to be more private and portable, would not
> have had as heavy a binding.
>
> This is fascinating!
>
> Thanks, Wednesday!
>
> Loyaulte me lie,
>
> Johanne
>
>
> From:
> [mailto:] On Behalf Of wednesday_mc
> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 8:58 PM
> To:
> Subject: Re: Medieval-Styled Books in This
> Century
.
.
.
> Regarding the designs of Brahms books, I know he'll leave off bits you don't
> want (like astrological), and his wife will work with you to figure out
> which sort of design you do want. So if you want something with a
> traditional 1400s codex design, that's possible. Brahms makes the closest
> thing to a medieval codex design I've seen yet.
>
> None of the books have printed pages in them: they come with blank paper
> parchment pages. You can order them empty if you like and insert your own
> creations such as Tolkien or T.H. White or...whoever/whatever.
>
> The classic designs have three staves (like a three ring binder, only
> they're not modern) to let you insert 8.5 x 11 paper. If you need A4 paper,
> Brahm can likely design the binding with that in mind. But he's not a
> traditional bookbinder.
>
> His daughter's designs (new designs) look like they're pre-bound -- journals
> sewn on cords. You can't add or switch out pages, they're more of a
> 'permanent journal' design.
>
> The easiest solution for Richard's Book of Hours would be to print out the
> pages of the book as you want them, then work with Brahm/his wife to get the
> exact binding you want.
>
> Alternately, you might work with a traditional bookbinder to create
> signatures of the pages, but that's a heck of a lot of work and expense.
>
> Another medieval-styled alternative is at renaissancebooks.com, but the
> majority of selections there are soft-bound leather meant for journals. They
> don't allow you to insert/change out pages as Brahms does. Most there are
> sewn to the leather binding itself.
>
> I can take some pictures of the book by Brahms that I own if anyone's
> interested in how it works. I have the traditional medieval codex style, not
> the one sewn on cords.
>
> ~Wednesday

Publishers Thames & Hudson and George Brazillier produced, in the 80s, a number of wonderful facsimile editions of Books of Hours (including The Hasting Hours), which may still be available...

Judy
 
Loyaulte me lie


________________________________
From: wednesday_mc <wednesday.mac@...>
To:
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 1:15 PM
Subject: Re: Medieval-Styled Books in This Century


 
I remember being in a used bookstore in Chicago or Los Angeles in the 90s, and watching the owner cut up a Book of Hours because he could make more selling the individual pages than he could selling the entire book. Is that what happened with Richard's?

It's a fairly simple thing to learn illumination, and to use the same materials used then--right down to the lapis lazuli and parchment/vellum -- though actually making the parchment/vellum...oh, ickle. I will never understand...oh, never mind. I know it's far faster to buy the real thing, hang it on a wall, and point at it in proud ownership.

There are other Books of Hours, and the interiors are pretty basic. I suppose one could pick and choose the pages, copy and assemble a facsimile, but...no joy.

~Wednesday

--- In , Judy Thomson <judygerard.thomson@...> wrote:
>
> The biggest problem with Richard's Book of Hours is there doesn't seem to be much of it left intact. The pages reproduced in the Sutton/Visser-Fuchs book are few, and apparently even some of the extant ones have been harvested for illuminations, etc.
>
> Judy
>
> What about binding a nice edition of Raymon Lull's book of chivalry? It was the one book Caxton dedicated to Richard. Or look for the facsimile of the July 1485 Le Morte D'Arthur (printed, I think, from the copy in the J. Pierpont Morgan Library...the repro has a rough cloth-covered binding and would be grand, indeed, redone by Brahms).
>  
> Loyaulte me lie

Sacrilege - he should have been flayed to make covers.

----- Original Message -----
From: wednesday_mc
To:
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 7:15 PM
Subject: Re: Medieval-Styled Books in This Century



I remember being in a used bookstore in Chicago or Los Angeles in the 90s, and watching the owner cut up a Book of Hours because he could make more selling the individual pages than he could selling the entire book. Is that what happened with Richard's?

It's a fairly simple thing to learn illumination, and to use the same materials used then--right down to the lapis lazuli and parchment/vellum -- though actually making the parchment/vellum...oh, ickle. I will never understand...oh, never mind. I know it's far faster to buy the real thing, hang it on a wall, and point at it in proud ownership.

There are other Books of Hours, and the interiors are pretty basic. I suppose one could pick and choose the pages, copy and assemble a facsimile, but...no joy.

~Wednesday

--- In , Judy Thomson <judygerard.thomson@...> wrote:
>
> The biggest problem with Richard's Book of Hours is there doesn't seem to be much of it left intact. The pages reproduced in the Sutton/Visser-Fuchs book are few, and apparently even some of the extant ones have been harvested for illuminations, etc.
>
> Judy
>
> What about binding a nice edition of Raymon Lull's book of chivalry? It was the one book Caxton dedicated to Richard. Or look for the facsimile of the July 1485 Le Morte D'Arthur (printed, I think, from the copy in the J. Pierpont Morgan Library...the repro has a rough cloth-covered binding and would be grand, indeed, redone by Brahms).
> Â
> Loyaulte me lie

Ouch! But what a Philistine he was.



________________________________
From: Stephen Lark <stephenmlark@...>
To:
Sent: Wednesday, 14 November 2012, 20:07
Subject: Re: Re: Medieval-Styled Books in This Century

 
Sacrilege - he should have been flayed to make covers.

----- Original Message -----
From: wednesday_mc
To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 7:15 PM
Subject: Re: Medieval-Styled Books in This Century

I remember being in a used bookstore in Chicago or Los Angeles in the 90s, and watching the owner cut up a Book of Hours because he could make more selling the individual pages than he could selling the entire book. Is that what happened with Richard's?

It's a fairly simple thing to learn illumination, and to use the same materials used then--right down to the lapis lazuli and parchment/vellum -- though actually making the parchment/vellum...oh, ickle. I will never understand...oh, never mind. I know it's far faster to buy the real thing, hang it on a wall, and point at it in proud ownership.

There are other Books of Hours, and the interiors are pretty basic. I suppose one could pick and choose the pages, copy and assemble a facsimile, but...no joy.

~Wednesday

--- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, Judy Thomson <judygerard.thomson@...> wrote:
>
> The biggest problem with Richard's Book of Hours is there doesn't seem to be much of it left intact. The pages reproduced in the Sutton/Visser-Fuchs book are few, and apparently even some of the extant ones have been harvested for illuminations, etc.
>
> Judy
>
> What about binding a nice edition of Raymon Lull's book of chivalry? It was the one book Caxton dedicated to Richard. Or look for the facsimile of the July 1485 Le Morte D'Arthur (printed, I think, from the copy in the J. Pierpont Morgan Library...the repro has a rough cloth-covered binding and would be grand, indeed, redone by Brahms).
> Â
> Loyaulte me lie

Here's some information on the Wycliffe Bible from the Holman Bible Handbook, p. 99:

___________________________

Middle Ages

The English Bible made little progress during the early Norman years after 1066. The Normans, of French lineage, did not speak the native tongue, and Anglo-Saxon was itself developing into early English, though very slowly as a literary language. A monk named Orin made a fresh start in the late twelfth century with a poetic version of the Gospels and Acts. Poetic renderings of Genesis, Exodus, and the Psalter followed in the thirteenth century and two prose versions of the Psalms in the fourteenth, one of them the popular Rolle version. The fourteenth century also saw some further work on the New Testament.

These renderings had aimed only at a limited readership, but finally the late fourteenth century produced a more ambitious project. The reformer John Wycliffe, stressing the function of Scripture, had a vision of rendering the whole Bible for more widespread use. The first Wycliffe Bible came out in 138084, and the initial j. in some portions has inspired the theory that Wycliffe himself did much of the work. The first edition is so close to the Latin that it was perhaps meant for lay preachers rather than directly for the people, many of whom could neither read nor afford copies. A revised edition by John Purvey (possibly the mysterious j.?) proved to be more radical. It came out in 1396. In the preface Purvey stated that he had sought a purer text, was focusing on the sense and not just the words, and aimed to put the original in the speech of the people.

__________________________



Loyaulte me lie,



Johanne

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Email - jltournier60@...

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- Jesus of Nazareth

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From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of Judy Thomson
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 3:30 PM
To:
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Richard's was a Wycliffe Bible, made about 1390, and aka a Lollard Bible. It was in English.

Judy

Loyaulte me lie




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And here the Wycliffe Bible can be viewed in facsimile and downloaded in various formats for free  although it's only the Books of Acts, James, Peter, John, Jude and Revelation. But it's one of the original mss. copied and illuminated by hand. Nice to have. Richard's Bible would have been similar if not identical to this edition.



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From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of Johanne Tournier
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 5:34 PM
To:
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Here's some information on the Wycliffe Bible from the Holman Bible Handbook, p. 99:

___________________________

Middle Ages

The English Bible made little progress during the early Norman years after 1066. The Normans, of French lineage, did not speak the native tongue, and Anglo-Saxon was itself developing into early English, though very slowly as a literary language. A monk named Orin made a fresh start in the late twelfth century with a poetic version of the Gospels and Acts. Poetic renderings of Genesis, Exodus, and the Psalter followed in the thirteenth century and two prose versions of the Psalms in the fourteenth, one of them the popular Rolle version. The fourteenth century also saw some further work on the New Testament.

These renderings had aimed only at a limited readership, but finally the late fourteenth century produced a more ambitious project. The reformer John Wycliffe, stressing the function of Scripture, had a vision of rendering the whole Bible for more widespread use. The first Wycliffe Bible came out in 138084, and the initial j. in some portions has inspired the theory that Wycliffe himself did much of the work. The first edition is so close to the Latin that it was perhaps meant for lay preachers rather than directly for the people, many of whom could neither read nor afford copies. A revised edition by John Purvey (possibly the mysterious j.?) proved to be more radical. It came out in 1396. In the preface Purvey stated that he had sought a purer text, was focusing on the sense and not just the words, and aimed to put the original in the speech of the people.

__________________________

Loyaulte me lie,

Johanne

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Richard's was a Wycliffe Bible, made about 1390, and aka a Lollard Bible. It was in English.

Judy

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That's nice and cheap.

--- In , "wednesday_mc" <wednesday.mac@...> wrote:
>
> A few years ago, I bought one of these tome which a man named Brahm is making in Florida and fashioning after medieval books -- the sort that were chained in old libraries. His work has been featured in film/television, and he had a three-month waiting list when I ordered mine.
>
> When I walked past mine today, it occurred to me some here might enjoy seeing Brahm's work. I have no affiliation with him or his work, other than being a happy customer.
>
> Brahm's Bookworks: http://www.brahmsbookworks.com/
>