Fate of Stanleys had Richard Won?

What would have been the fate of the Stanleys had Richard won? Could he have executed the brothers Thomas and William, and son George as well, without there being massive upheaval in the northwest of England?

Would Richard have had tribunals for them, or simply executed them at Bosworth? And who would Richard have passed the Stanleys' lands and position/power onto, if he had survived Bosworth?

And what about scheming Margaret? Richard didn't execute women, so what would he have done with her? Walled her up in a convent with nuns who'd taken a vow of silence and would silence her, too? Would Margaret have had any other way to offer threat to Richard if Henry Tudor had died?

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I would say RIII would have executed the brother Stanley's. But if the brothers saw any chance of Richard winning they would have shifted allegiance and would have ended up open the right side.......Could Richard have sent Margaret to exile?

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> And what about scheming Margaret? Richard didn't execute women, so what would he have done with her? Walled her up in a convent with nuns who'd taken a vow of silence and would silence her, too? Would Margaret have had any other way to offer threat to Richard if Henry Tudor had died?
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Very likely that had her son died at Bosworth, it would have been such a blow to her that MB possibly would have been a broken woman....I cannot see her having any other motives to continue to plot. Another thought...I suspect Richard would have treated her with his usual kindness he had shown towards other women, for example..the countess of Warwick who he gave a home to, Hastings widow and Elizabeth Shore who he allowed out of prison so she could marry Thomas Lynom, even though it astonished him.
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Eileen wrote:
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Carol responds:

If we can judge Margaret Beaufort's character from Margaret of Anjou's, you're probably right that she would have become a broken woman though perhaps she wasn't as close to Henry emotionally as Margaret of Anjou was to Edward of Lancaster, who was younger and had always lived with her. (Side note: Edward of L, if he was legitimate, was three quarters French: half from his mother and one quarter from his father, whose mother was Catherine of Valois. Evidently, the Lancastrians didn't consider that a problem, but the English people might have had he become king.)

Back to Margaret Beaufort: I think that she was more concerned with power and ambition than with love for her son considering the way that she and possibly Nuncle Jasper manipulated him (to say nothing of the Duke of Brittany and Louis XI and the French regency after his death). Margaret was supposedly pious, so I think her fate after Bosworth, had Richard won, should have been confinement in a convent with the choice of becoming a nun if her dear husband were executed. Why not Bermondsey Abbey? Or better yet, send her to serve as a lady in waiting to Cecily Neville at Berkhamsted. That would have been as much fun for her as holding Anne Neville's train at Richard's coronation, only her humiliation would be permanent.

However, I like to picture her in a little cell like that in which Henry VI was probably kept, with nothing but a bed, a chamber pot, a Bible, and a prie-dieu and no communication whatever with the outside world. I'm not sure whether I would have allowed her a tiny window to glimpse what she was missing.

Carol

But Carol...why would you want to inflict such a wonderful lady as Cecily with such an awful lady in waiting...Imagine waking up every day to that disagreeable person...enough to kill the spirit even in the indomitable lady that Cecily was....:0)

Or better yet, send her to serve as a lady in waiting to Cecily Neville at Berkhamsted. That would have been as much fun for her as holding Anne Neville's train at Richard's coronation, only her humiliation would be permanent.
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Perhaps the only way to get rid of Margaret would have been if Richard had ordered her walled up in the nunnery equivalent of a Trappist monastery where no one would talk to her, listen to her, or visit her. Somewhere in York might work.

~Wednesday

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There are many things Richard should have done to this awful woman whose plotting eventually led to his death..others would have without a qualm....sadly he didnt...and thus he lost his life. Eileen

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