Richard's knighthood

Hi, All -



Josephine Wilkinson in *Richard III: The Young King to Be* writes about
Richard's training for knighthood and recites a charming anecdote which I
have never read anywhere else:



"Since no records exist of Richard ever having taken part in the joust or
the tourney, it has been construed that he did not approve of or enjoy such
sport. However, this activity formed so important a part of the training of
a knight that it is difficult to see how he could have avoided it. In fact,
one of Richard's books, *Ipomedon,* which he acquired as a youth, tells the
story of a young man whose ambition was to become 'the best knight in the
world'. This knight was a skilful hunter who, when he saw that this failed
to win him recognition, status and the heart of the woman he loved, went on
to take part in the tournament. In the character of Ipomedon, Richard had
the perfect role model and example of how an idealistic young knight should
behave. An annotation in Richard's handwriting in his copy of *Ipomedon* is
revealing: 'tant le desieree,' "I have longed for it so much.""



Loyaulte me lie,



Johanne

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Johanne L. Tournier



Email - jltournier60@...

or jltournier@...



"With God, all things are possible."

- Jesus of Nazareth

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Hi, I'm new here and would like to thank everyone for all the new and interesting information about my favorite English king. I was a member of the Society in the late 1970s and early 80s and have a rekindled interest thanks to the Leicester find. It seems like new information has been found since my days in the American Society. It's absolutely thrilling. I just wish I could add some interesting points but, alas, I am far from an expert. Thanks to all! Maire.

--- In , Johanne Tournier <jltournier60@...> wrote:
>
> Hi, All -
>
>
>
> Josephine Wilkinson in *Richard III: The Young King to Be* writes about
> Richard's training for knighthood and recites a charming anecdote which I
> have never read anywhere else:
>
>
>
> "Since no records exist of Richard ever having taken part in the joust or
> the tourney, it has been construed that he did not approve of or enjoy such
> sport. However, this activity formed so important a part of the training of
> a knight that it is difficult to see how he could have avoided it. In fact,
> one of Richard's books, *Ipomedon,* which he acquired as a youth, tells the
> story of a young man whose ambition was to become 'the best knight in the
> world'. This knight was a skilful hunter who, when he saw that this failed
> to win him recognition, status and the heart of the woman he loved, went on
> to take part in the tournament. In the character of Ipomedon, Richard had
> the perfect role model and example of how an idealistic young knight should
> behave. An annotation in Richard's handwriting in his copy of *Ipomedon* is
> revealing: 'tant le desieree,' "I have longed for it so much.""
>
>
>
> Loyaulte me lie,
>
>
>
> Johanne
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Johanne L. Tournier
>
>
>
> Email - jltournier60@...
>
> or jltournier@...
>
>
>
> "With God, all things are possible."
>
> - Jesus of Nazareth
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Welcome Maire...Eileen

--- In , "mairemulholland" <mairemulholland@...> wrote:
>
> Hi, I'm new here and would like to thank everyone for all the new and interesting information about my favorite English king. I was a member of the Society in the late 1970s and early 80s and have a rekindled interest thanks to the Leicester find. It seems like new information has been found since my days in the American Society. It's absolutely thrilling. I just wish I could add some interesting points but, alas, I am far from an expert. Thanks to all! Maire.
>
> --- In , Johanne Tournier <jltournier60@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi, All -
> >
> >
> >
> > Josephine Wilkinson in *Richard III: The Young King to Be* writes about
> > Richard's training for knighthood and recites a charming anecdote which I
> > have never read anywhere else:
> >
> >
> >
> > "Since no records exist of Richard ever having taken part in the joust or
> > the tourney, it has been construed that he did not approve of or enjoy such
> > sport. However, this activity formed so important a part of the training of
> > a knight that it is difficult to see how he could have avoided it. In fact,
> > one of Richard's books, *Ipomedon,* which he acquired as a youth, tells the
> > story of a young man whose ambition was to become 'the best knight in the
> > world'. This knight was a skilful hunter who, when he saw that this failed
> > to win him recognition, status and the heart of the woman he loved, went on
> > to take part in the tournament. In the character of Ipomedon, Richard had
> > the perfect role model and example of how an idealistic young knight should
> > behave. An annotation in Richard's handwriting in his copy of *Ipomedon* is
> > revealing: 'tant le desieree,' "I have longed for it so much.""
> >
> >
> >
> > Loyaulte me lie,
> >
> >
> >
> > Johanne
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> > Johanne L. Tournier
> >
> >
> >
> > Email - jltournier60@
> >
> > or jltournier@
> >
> >
> >
> > "With God, all things are possible."
> >
> > - Jesus of Nazareth
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

That's heartbreaking in a way.

How ironic that as a boy Richard may have dreamed of becoming the perfect knight, but his end was more like Arthur's.

I'm also starting to get the impression Richard may have been just fine with dying an honorable death.

~Weds


--- In , Johanne Tournier <jltournier60@...> wrote:
>
> Hi, All -
>
> Josephine Wilkinson in *Richard III: The Young King to Be* writes about
> Richard's training for knighthood and recites a charming anecdote which I
> have never read anywhere else:
>
> "Since no records exist of Richard ever having taken part in the joust or
> the tourney, it has been construed that he did not approve of or enjoy such
> sport. However, this activity formed so important a part of the training of
> a knight that it is difficult to see how he could have avoided it. In fact,
> one of Richard's books, *Ipomedon,* which he acquired as a youth, tells the
> story of a young man whose ambition was to become 'the best knight in the
> world'. This knight was a skilful hunter who, when he saw that this failed
> to win him recognition, status and the heart of the woman he loved, went on
> to take part in the tournament. In the character of Ipomedon, Richard had
> the perfect role model and example of how an idealistic young knight should
> behave. An annotation in Richard's handwriting in his copy of *Ipomedon* is
> revealing: 'tant le desieree,' "I have longed for it so much.""

It's like the song by Bryan Adams - "You know it cuts like a knife - but it
feels so right!"



That's how I feel about Richard.



Loyaulte me lie,



Johanne



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Johanne L. Tournier



Email - jltournier60@...

or jltournier@...



"With God, all things are possible."

- Jesus of Nazareth

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



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Subject: Re: Richard's knighthood





That's heartbreaking in a way.

How ironic that as a boy Richard may have dreamed of becoming the perfect
knight, but his end was more like Arthur's.

I'm also starting to get the impression Richard may have been just fine with
dying an honorable death.

~Weds

--- In
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> , Johanne Tournier
<jltournier60@...> wrote:
>
> Hi, All -
>
> Josephine Wilkinson in *Richard III: The Young King to Be* writes about
> Richard's training for knighthood and recites a charming anecdote which I
> have never read anywhere else:
>
> "Since no records exist of Richard ever having taken part in the joust or
> the tourney, it has been construed that he did not approve of or enjoy
such
> sport. However, this activity formed so important a part of the training
of
> a knight that it is difficult to see how he could have avoided it. In
fact,
> one of Richard's books, *Ipomedon,* which he acquired as a youth, tells
the
> story of a young man whose ambition was to become 'the best knight in the
> world'. This knight was a skilful hunter who, when he saw that this failed
> to win him recognition, status and the heart of the woman he loved, went
on
> to take part in the tournament. In the character of Ipomedon, Richard had
> the perfect role model and example of how an idealistic young knight
should
> behave. An annotation in Richard's handwriting in his copy of *Ipomedon*
is
> revealing: 'tant le desieree,' "I have longed for it so much.""

I always hoped that some part of Richard's youth was like that of Wart in the classic story "The Once and Future King."

--- In , "wednesday_mc" <wednesday.mac@...> wrote:
>
> That's heartbreaking in a way.
>
> How ironic that as a boy Richard may have dreamed of becoming the perfect knight, but his end was more like Arthur's.
>
> I'm also starting to get the impression Richard may have been just fine with dying an honorable death.
>
> ~Weds
>
>
> --- In , Johanne Tournier <jltournier60@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi, All -
> >
> > Josephine Wilkinson in *Richard III: The Young King to Be* writes about
> > Richard's training for knighthood and recites a charming anecdote which I
> > have never read anywhere else:
> >
> > "Since no records exist of Richard ever having taken part in the joust or
> > the tourney, it has been construed that he did not approve of or enjoy such
> > sport. However, this activity formed so important a part of the training of
> > a knight that it is difficult to see how he could have avoided it. In fact,
> > one of Richard's books, *Ipomedon,* which he acquired as a youth, tells the
> > story of a young man whose ambition was to become 'the best knight in the
> > world'. This knight was a skilful hunter who, when he saw that this failed
> > to win him recognition, status and the heart of the woman he loved, went on
> > to take part in the tournament. In the character of Ipomedon, Richard had
> > the perfect role model and example of how an idealistic young knight should
> > behave. An annotation in Richard's handwriting in his copy of *Ipomedon* is
> > revealing: 'tant le desieree,' "I have longed for it so much.""
>