ARTICLES pertaining to Richard

"Boar mount 'belonging to Richard III' detected" on the Thames forshore, near the Tower.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/9718849/Boar-mount-belonging-to-Richard-III-detected.html

More on R3 gold "angel" coin going for auction Dec. 4-5
http://www.paulfrasercollectibles.com/News/COINS-%26-BANKNOTES/Discovered-Richard-III-coin-to-sell-for-$24,000-in-UK-auction/12453.page

School R3 Project - Shakespeare's Richard & Anne
http://youtu.be/0Iduo7VbcT8

Is it the Telegraph that's reporting the boar badge was part of a "cremation ceremony" for Richard? It was either that or the Guardian. The man can't catch a break!!!

--- In , "wednesday_mc" <wednesday.mac@...> wrote:
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> "Boar mount 'belonging to Richard III' detected" on the Thames forshore, near the Tower.
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/9718849/Boar-mount-belonging-to-Richard-III-detected.html
>
> More on R3 gold "angel" coin going for auction Dec. 4-5
> http://www.paulfrasercollectibles.com/News/COINS-%26-BANKNOTES/Discovered-Richard-III-coin-to-sell-for-$24,000-in-UK-auction/12453.page
>
> School R3 Project - Shakespeare's Richard & Anne
> http://youtu.be/0Iduo7VbcT8
>

Can someone please explain this
"The mount shows the boar, chained, collared and wearing a crown, with a crescent above one of its legs. Richard III took the white boar as his sign, while badges in the form of the animal were ordered for the king's cremation in 1485."

What cremation are they talking about ?
George
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On Dec 3, 2012, at 3:41 PM, "wednesday_mc" <wednesday.mac@...> wrote:

> "Boar mount 'belonging to Richard III' detected" on the Thames forshore, near the Tower.
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/9718849/Boar-mount-belonging-to-Richard-III-detected.html
>
> More on R3 gold "angel" coin going for auction Dec. 4-5
> http://www.paulfrasercollectibles.com/News/COINS-%26-BANKNOTES/Discovered-Richard-III-coin-to-sell-for-$24,000-in-UK-auction/12453.page
>
> School R3 Project - Shakespeare's Richard & Anne
> http://youtu.be/0Iduo7VbcT8
>
>

I suppose if you hated history, have a poor memory but a vivid imagination then there is only one profession for you........journalism!
George

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On Dec 3, 2012, at 4:25 PM, "mairemulholland" <mairemulholland@...> wrote:

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> Is it the Telegraph that's reporting the boar badge was part of a "cremation ceremony" for Richard? It was either that or the Guardian. The man can't catch a break!!!
>
> --- In , "wednesday_mc" <wednesday.mac@...> wrote:
> >
> > "Boar mount 'belonging to Richard III' detected" on the Thames forshore, near the Tower.
> > http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/9718849/Boar-mount-belonging-to-Richard-III-detected.html
> >
> > More on R3 gold "angel" coin going for auction Dec. 4-5
> > http://www.paulfrasercollectibles.com/News/COINS-%26-BANKNOTES/Discovered-Richard-III-coin-to-sell-for-$24,000-in-UK-auction/12453.page
> >
> > School R3 Project - Shakespeare's Richard & Anne
> > http://youtu.be/0Iduo7VbcT8
> >
>
>

Sad, isn't it?

--- In , George Butterfield <gbutterf1@...> wrote:
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> I suppose if you hated history, have a poor memory but a vivid imagination then there is only one profession for you........journalism!
> George
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> Sent from my iPad
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> On Dec 3, 2012, at 4:25 PM, "mairemulholland" <mairemulholland@...> wrote:
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> >
> > Is it the Telegraph that's reporting the boar badge was part of a "cremation ceremony" for Richard? It was either that or the Guardian. The man can't catch a break!!!
> >
> > --- In , "wednesday_mc" <wednesday.mac@> wrote:
> > >
> > > "Boar mount 'belonging to Richard III' detected" on the Thames forshore, near the Tower.
> > > http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/9718849/Boar-mount-belonging-to-Richard-III-detected.html
> > >
> > > More on R3 gold "angel" coin going for auction Dec. 4-5
> > > http://www.paulfrasercollectibles.com/News/COINS-%26-BANKNOTES/Discovered-Richard-III-coin-to-sell-for-$24,000-in-UK-auction/12453.page
> > >
> > > School R3 Project - Shakespeare's Richard & Anne
> > > http://youtu.be/0Iduo7VbcT8
> > >
> >
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Well, clearly "someone" got it wrong. Not to mention, I have this vague feeling The Church at that time was none too keen on cremations. Even during the Crusades, when shipping a body back to Europe entailed difficult logistics, the bodies were sometimes "seethed" of flesh, which was buried on site, then the bones were packed up and sent back home.

Judy 
 
Loyaulte me lie


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From: George Butterfield <gbutterf1@...>
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Cc: "" <>
Sent: Monday, December 3, 2012 3:54 PM
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Can someone please explain this
"The mount shows the boar, chained, collared and wearing a crown, with a crescent above one of its legs. Richard III took the white boar as his sign, while badges in the form of the animal were ordered for the king's cremation in 1485."

What cremation are they talking about ?
George
Sent from my iPad

On Dec 3, 2012, at 3:41 PM, "wednesday_mc" <wednesday.mac@...> wrote:

> "Boar mount 'belonging to Richard III' detected" on the Thames forshore, near the Tower.
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/9718849/Boar-mount-belonging-to-Richard-III-detected.html
>
> More on R3 gold "angel" coin going for auction Dec. 4-5
> http://www.paulfrasercollectibles.com/News/COINS-%26-BANKNOTES/Discovered-Richard-III-coin-to-sell-for-$24,000-in-UK-auction/12453.page
>
> School R3 Project - Shakespeare's Richard & Anne
> http://youtu.be/0Iduo7VbcT8
>
>

If you read the full article it mentions a Viking hoard which would make some sort of sense though how a R3 emblem came to be nearby who knows, I think as usual it is 1+1=11 especially when it comes to the press at large.
George

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On Dec 3, 2012, at 6:07 PM, Judy Thomson <judygerard.thomson@...> wrote:

> Well, clearly "someone" got it wrong. Not to mention, I have this vague feeling The Church at that time was none too keen on cremations. Even during the Crusades, when shipping a body back to Europe entailed difficult logistics, the bodies were sometimes "seethed" of flesh, which was buried on site, then the bones were packed up and sent back home.
>
> Judy
>
> Loyaulte me lie
>
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> From: George Butterfield <gbutterf1@...>
> To: "" <>
> Cc: "" <>
> Sent: Monday, December 3, 2012 3:54 PM
> Subject: Re: ARTICLES pertaining to Richard
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>
> Can someone please explain this
> "The mount shows the boar, chained, collared and wearing a crown, with a crescent above one of its legs. Richard III took the white boar as his sign, while badges in the form of the animal were ordered for the king's cremation in 1485."
>
> What cremation are they talking about ?
> George
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Dec 3, 2012, at 3:41 PM, "wednesday_mc" <wednesday.mac@...> wrote:
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> > "Boar mount 'belonging to Richard III' detected" on the Thames forshore, near the Tower.
> > http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/9718849/Boar-mount-belonging-to-Richard-III-detected.html
> >
> > More on R3 gold "angel" coin going for auction Dec. 4-5
> > http://www.paulfrasercollectibles.com/News/COINS-%26-BANKNOTES/Discovered-Richard-III-coin-to-sell-for-$24,000-in-UK-auction/12453.page
> >
> > School R3 Project - Shakespeare's Richard & Anne
> > http://youtu.be/0Iduo7VbcT8
> >
> >
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Maire wrote:
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> Is it the Telegraph that's reporting the boar badge was part of a "cremation ceremony" for Richard? It was either that or the Guardian. The man can't catch a break!!!

Carol responds:

The reporter needs to catch up with the news, evidently. Not to mention medieval burial customs.

Carol

Carol earlier:
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> The reporter needs to catch up with the news, evidently. Not to mention medieval burial customs.
>
> Carol

Carol again, replying to my own post.

Since the article actually mentions the Leicester find and the reporter can't possibly mistake a cremation in London for a burial in another city, I wonder if he meant the coronation ceremony in 1483? It could be an error by the typesetter that the proofreader didn't catch or a mistaken "correction" by a copyeditor or proofreader rather than an error by the reporter himself.

I couldn't find a place to comment, so let's hope that the Telegraph catches the error and posts a correction.

Carol

History's done a fine job chaining and collaring him, and the Tudors did 'fire' him. Sort of.

Was "cremation" perhaps a case of "writing drunk"? Or perhaps the writer used Scrivener, which is forever auto-replacing words I type with words I don't want.

~Weds

--- In , George Butterfield <gbutterf1@...> wrote:
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> Can someone please explain this
> "The mount shows the boar, chained, collared and wearing a crown, with a crescent above one of its legs. Richard III took the white boar as his sign, while badges in the form of the animal were ordered for the king's cremation in 1485."
>
> What cremation are they talking about ?
> George
>

You are too kind, the writer did not understand his subject and probably wrote down what he believed he heard at a press conference.
I don't know about you but every time I have been involved with a reported story I find many of the facts to be both incorrect and jumbled
George

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On Dec 3, 2012, at 7:47 PM, "wednesday_mc" <wednesday.mac@...> wrote:

> History's done a fine job chaining and collaring him, and the Tudors did 'fire' him. Sort of.
>
> Was "cremation" perhaps a case of "writing drunk"? Or perhaps the writer used Scrivener, which is forever auto-replacing words I type with words I don't want.
>
> ~Weds
>
> --- In , George Butterfield <gbutterf1@...> wrote:
> >
> > Can someone please explain this
> > "The mount shows the boar, chained, collared and wearing a crown, with a crescent above one of its legs. Richard III took the white boar as his sign, while badges in the form of the animal were ordered for the king's cremation in 1485."
> >
> > What cremation are they talking about ?
> > George
> >
>
>

Reminds me of my daughter when she was 11 - we were on our way to a place called Coronation hall but she would insist on calling it Cremation Hall - not for a joke, she just had the two words muddled up.
Marie

--- In , "justcarol67" <justcarol67@...> wrote:
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> Carol earlier:
> >
> > The reporter needs to catch up with the news, evidently. Not to mention medieval burial customs.
> >
> > Carol
>
> Carol again, replying to my own post.
>
> Since the article actually mentions the Leicester find and the reporter can't possibly mistake a cremation in London for a burial in another city, I wonder if he meant the coronation ceremony in 1483? It could be an error by the typesetter that the proofreader didn't catch or a mistaken "correction" by a copyeditor or proofreader rather than an error by the reporter himself.
>
> I couldn't find a place to comment, so let's hope that the Telegraph catches the error and posts a correction.
>
> Carol
>

Cremation was illegal in the UK until the 19th Century . 
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/southeast/halloffame/historical_figures/william_price.shtml
 

From: Judy Thomson <judygerard.thomson@...>
To: "" <>
Sent: Monday, 3 December 2012, 23:07
Subject: Re: ARTICLES pertaining to Richard

 
Well, clearly "someone" got it wrong. Not to mention, I have this vague feeling The Church at that time was none too keen on cremations. Even during the Crusades, when shipping a body back to Europe entailed difficult logistics, the bodies were sometimes "seethed" of flesh, which was buried on site, then the bones were packed up and sent back home.

Judy 
 
Loyaulte me lie

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Sent: Monday, December 3, 2012 3:54 PM
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Can someone please explain this
"The mount shows the boar, chained, collared and wearing a crown, with a crescent above one of its legs. Richard III took the white boar as his sign, while badges in the form of the animal were ordered for the king's cremation in 1485."

What cremation are they talking about ?
George
Sent from my iPad

On Dec 3, 2012, at 3:41 PM, "wednesday_mc" <mailto:wednesday.mac%40gmail.com> wrote:

> "Boar mount 'belonging to Richard III' detected" on the Thames forshore, near the Tower.
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/9718849/Boar-mount-belonging-to-Richard-III-detected.html
>
> More on R3 gold "angel" coin going for auction Dec. 4-5
> http://www.paulfrasercollectibles.com/News/COINS-%26-BANKNOTES/Discovered-Richard-III-coin-to-sell-for-$24,000-in-UK-auction/12453.page
>
> School R3 Project - Shakespeare's Richard & Anne
> http://youtu.be/0Iduo7VbcT8
>
>

.............. except for those still alive under Lancastrians and pseudo-Lancastrians.

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Cremation was illegal in the UK until the 19th Century .

http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/southeast/halloffame/historical_figures/william_price.shtml


From: Judy Thomson <judygerard.thomson@...>
To: "" <>
Sent: Monday, 3 December 2012, 23:07
Subject: Re: ARTICLES pertaining to Richard


Well, clearly "someone" got it wrong. Not to mention, I have this vague feeling The Church at that time was none too keen on cremations. Even during the Crusades, when shipping a body back to Europe entailed difficult logistics, the bodies were sometimes "seethed" of flesh, which was buried on site, then the bones were packed up and sent back home.

Judy

Loyaulte me lie

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Can someone please explain this
"The mount shows the boar, chained, collared and wearing a crown, with a crescent above one of its legs. Richard III took the white boar as his sign, while badges in the form of the animal were ordered for the king's cremation in 1485."

What cremation are they talking about ?
George
Sent from my iPad

On Dec 3, 2012, at 3:41 PM, "wednesday_mc" <mailto:wednesday.mac%40gmail.com> wrote:

> "Boar mount 'belonging to Richard III' detected" on the Thames forshore, near the Tower.
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/9718849/Boar-mount-belonging-to-Richard-III-detected.html
>
> More on R3 gold "angel" coin going for auction Dec. 4-5
> http://www.paulfrasercollectibles.com/News/COINS-%26-BANKNOTES/Discovered-Richard-III-coin-to-sell-for-$24,000-in-UK-auction/12453.page
>
> School R3 Project - Shakespeare's Richard & Anne
> http://youtu.be/0Iduo7VbcT8
>
>