You know you're a Ricardian when....

...you're on a discussion list that has nothing to do with Richard, a post comes up from "John Morton," and you hiss at the screen.

What was your "you know" moment?

~Wednesday

Dunno about John Morton; but I was at school with a fella called Henry Staffords (with an 's'!!! lol)... not that it's relevant, but he came out as gay some years back and I couldn't help thinking, 'that's Katherine Woodville for ya'!!!

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There is an episode of "Murder, she wrote" with a character named Ralph Stafford.

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Dunno about John Morton; but I was at school with a fella called Henry Staffords (with an 's'!!! lol)... not that it's relevant, but he came out as gay some years back and I couldn't help thinking, 'that's Katherine Woodville for ya'!!!

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Hi,   I was 12 years old when I saw Olivier as Richard and thought this man is interesting. I read all I could find and just new Richard was not what some made him out to be.
Richard has been with me ever since, God Bless him. I would never desert him.
Loyaulte me Lie
Christine

Christine, my relationship with R is recent but I completely understand your feelings:)

Ishita Bandyo
www.ishitabandyo.com
www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com

On Dec 9, 2012, at 4:22 AM, C HOLMES <christineholmes651@...> wrote:

> Hi, I was 12 years old when I saw Olivier as Richard and thought this man is interesting. I read all I could find and just new Richard was not what some made him out to be.
> Richard has been with me ever since, God Bless him. I would never desert him.
> Loyaulte me Lie
> Christine
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Do you guys ever wonder why we feel the way we do about R3? I am having trouble explains my feelings to myself. Never been obsessed by someone like this before........:/

Ishita Bandyo
www.ishitabandyo.com
www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com

On Dec 9, 2012, at 4:22 AM, C HOLMES <christineholmes651@...> wrote:

> Hi, I was 12 years old when I saw Olivier as Richard and thought this man is interesting. I read all I could find and just new Richard was not what some made him out to be.
> Richard has been with me ever since, God Bless him. I would never desert him.
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Hi everyone.I joined months ago,and have never had the courage to post.I read everything that everyone writes,and have learnt so much.My 'Richard moment' was at the age of 13 (Im 42 now!). In a history class,we had to defend or prosecute Richard for his perceived crimes.I was the only one out of a class of 30ish that defended him.Ive being doing the same ever since. I think you're all brilliant.Can't wait til they reveal that the Leicester skeleton is Richard,more publicity for the best king we ever had,and more chance to get the real Richard out there,and stick it to the tudors!!(small t on purpose)!!Karen Raynor.
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Do you guys ever wonder why we feel the way we do about R3? I am having trouble explains my feelings to myself. Never been obsessed by someone like this before........:/



Ishita Bandyo

www.ishitabandyo.com

www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts

www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com



On Dec 9, 2012, at 4:22 AM, C HOLMES <christineholmes651@...> wrote:



> Hi, I was 12 years old when I saw Olivier as Richard and thought this man is interesting. I read all I could find and just new Richard was not what some made him out to be.

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You are at the right place Karen! Welcome.

Ishita Bandyo
www.ishitabandyo.com
www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com

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Thank you.Its good to know that my hero,is other people's hero as well!
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You are at the right place Karen! Welcome.



Ishita Bandyo

www.ishitabandyo.com

www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts

www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com



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> Hi everyone.I joined months ago,and have never had the courage to post.I read everything that everyone writes,and have learnt so much.My 'Richard moment' was at the age of 13 (Im 42 now!). In a history class,we had to defend or prosecute Richard for his perceived crimes.I was the only one out of a class of 30ish that defended him.Ive being doing the same ever since. I think you're all brilliant.Can't wait til they reveal that the Leicester skeleton is Richard,more publicity for the best king we ever had,and more chance to get the real Richard out there,and stick it to the tudors!!(small t on purpose)!!Karen Raynor.

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Sometimes I think: Maybe I lived before. And maybe I knew some of you (and others of my acquaintance, who have similar feelings). It's weird, almost silly-sounding, but I've been obsessed with things of the late 15th C. since I was in grammar school. "Finding" Richard was a bit like putting a name and place to an already-existing Something, which even my family found inexplicable.

I know. Go ahead with the jokes....
Judy
 
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Sent: Sunday, December 9, 2012 3:22 AM
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Hi,   I was 12 years old when I saw Olivier as Richard and thought this man is interesting. I read all I could find and just new Richard was not what some made him out to be.
Richard has been with me ever since, God Bless him. I would never desert him.
Loyaulte me Lie
Christine

I think for me it's about the injustice of it all, pure and simple.    I'm interested in the medieval era generally but I don't for example get as bothered about Henry II, Edward III etc as I do about Richard.



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To: "" <>
Sent: Sunday, 9 December 2012, 13:26
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Do you guys ever wonder why we feel the way we do about R3? I am having trouble explains my feelings to myself. Never been obsessed by someone like this before........:/

Ishita Bandyo
www.ishitabandyo.com
www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com

On Dec 9, 2012, at 4:22 AM, C HOLMES <mailto:christineholmes651%40btinternet.com> wrote:

> Hi, I was 12 years old when I saw Olivier as Richard and thought this man is interesting. I read all I could find and just new Richard was not what some made him out to be.
> Richard has been with me ever since, God Bless him. I would never desert him.
> Loyaulte me Lie
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Judy, you are among friends:) We were all knights at Richard's household!

Ishita Bandyo
www.ishitabandyo.com
www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com

On Dec 9, 2012, at 9:49 AM, Judy Thomson <judygerard.thomson@...> wrote:

> Sometimes I think: Maybe I lived before. And maybe I knew some of you (and others of my acquaintance, who have similar feelings). It's weird, almost silly-sounding, but I've been obsessed with things of the late 15th C. since I was in grammar school. "Finding" Richard was a bit like putting a name and place to an already-existing Something, which even my family found inexplicable.
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Yes. The injustice surely!
The tragic death of someone so young and brave is always heartbreaking. Look at how we feel about princess D. Or Marylyn Monroe! And for me mostly Jesus Christ.


Ishita Bandyo
www.ishitabandyo.com
www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com

On Dec 9, 2012, at 10:22 AM, liz williams <ferrymansdaughter@...> wrote:

> I think for me it's about the injustice of it all, pure and simple. I'm interested in the medieval era generally but I don't for example get as bothered about Henry II, Edward III etc as I do about Richard.
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I've been obsessed with one other person, a Victorian author. This led to my publishing bits on him and meeting his grandson, which was fun.

What wasn't fun was being subjected to the author's rabid/possessive professors who made it 100% more about them than about the author. I ran away after the man's 'civilian' fans proved more sane than his devoted dons. I'm still devoted to the author; I just can't handle some of his fans.

Researching the author's family helped me resolve a number of issues I was having with someone in my life at the time, so there were present-time payoffs for playing in the past. I found these answers in a labyrinthine way that felt like this man was reaching out from the Unseen level to guide me on the Seen level.

As for why we feel the way we do about R3...maybe we all knew him somewhere, somehow? Maybe we all agreed to remember him here? Intuition is sometimes so much stronger than logic, there's just nothing for it but to go where the river of feeling takes you. Some say all minds are connected through all time and all space, so there's one theory for you.

Caroline Myss has a theory that when you meet someone you resonate with, it's because they hold pieces of yourself that you've lost or left behind along the way. Your job is to retrieve those pieces and integrate them again. So, theoretically, a person might be drawn to Richard because someone they trusted betrayed or abandoned them in a moment of need and pieces of trust were left behind.

That theory is all well and good, and I can see its merits, but my interest in Richard seems a little more complex than that. On the other hand, if I had to summarize how the kid inside me feels when I think of him, it comes out, "It's not fair!" regardless the adult me knows life isn't fair to any of us.

~Weds

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Can you give us a hint as to which author you obsess over? I have a thing about the Brontes and Emily Dickinson!

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> Caroline Myss has a theory that when you meet someone you resonate with, it's because they hold pieces of yourself that you've lost or left behind along the way. Your job is to retrieve those pieces and integrate them again. So, theoretically, a person might be drawn to Richard because someone they trusted betrayed or abandoned them in a moment of need and pieces of trust were left behind.
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Mmm, but Jesus was 40 at the Crucifiction, hardly a young man in the 1st century. And he didn't die on the cross anyway...


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From: Richard Yahoo <bandyoi@...>
To: "" <>
Cc: "" <>
Sent: Sunday, 9 December 2012, 15:56
Subject: Re: Re: You know you're a Ricardian when....


 
Yes. The injustice surely!
The tragic death of someone so young and brave is always heartbreaking. Look at how we feel about princess D. Or Marylyn Monroe! And for me mostly Jesus Christ.

Ishita Bandyo
www.ishitabandyo.com
www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com

On Dec 9, 2012, at 10:22 AM, liz williams <ferrymansdaughter@...> wrote:

> I think for me it's about the injustice of it all, pure and simple. I'm interested in the medieval era generally but I don't for example get as bothered about Henry II, Edward III etc as I do about Richard.
>
> ________________________________
> From: Richard Yahoo <bandyoi@...>
> To: "" <>
> Sent: Sunday, 9 December 2012, 13:26
> Subject: Re: Re: You know you're a Ricardian when....
>
>
> Do you guys ever wonder why we feel the way we do about R3? I am having trouble explains my feelings to myself. Never been obsessed by someone like this before........:/
>
> Ishita Bandyo
> www.ishitabandyo.com
> www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
> www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
>
> On Dec 9, 2012, at 4:22 AM, C HOLMES <mailto:christineholmes651%40btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi, I was 12 years old when I saw Olivier as Richard and thought this man is interesting. I read all I could find and just new Richard was not what some made him out to be.
> > Richard has been with me ever since, God Bless him. I would never desert him.
> > Loyaulte me Lie
> > Christine
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>

He's Irish.

--- In , "mairemulholland" <mairemulholland@...> wrote:
>
> Can you give us a hint as to which author you obsess over? I have a thing about the Brontes and Emily Dickinson!

Ive always thought that he was around 32/33 at the time of his crucifixion?Karen
To:
From: theblackprussian@...
Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2012 17:59:01 +0000
Subject: Re: Re: You know you're a Ricardian when....


























Mmm, but Jesus was 40 at the Crucifiction, hardly a young man in the 1st century. And he didn't die on the cross anyway...



________________________________

From: Richard Yahoo <bandyoi@...>

To: "" <>

Cc: "" <>

Sent: Sunday, 9 December 2012, 15:56

Subject: Re: Re: You know you're a Ricardian when....







Yes. The injustice surely!

The tragic death of someone so young and brave is always heartbreaking. Look at how we feel about princess D. Or Marylyn Monroe! And for me mostly Jesus Christ.



Ishita Bandyo

www.ishitabandyo.com

www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts

www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com



On Dec 9, 2012, at 10:22 AM, liz williams <ferrymansdaughter@...> wrote:



> I think for me it's about the injustice of it all, pure and simple. I'm interested in the medieval era generally but I don't for example get as bothered about Henry II, Edward III etc as I do about Richard.

>

> ________________________________

> From: Richard Yahoo <bandyoi@...>

> To: "" <>

> Sent: Sunday, 9 December 2012, 13:26

> Subject: Re: Re: You know you're a Ricardian when....

>

>

> Do you guys ever wonder why we feel the way we do about R3? I am having trouble explains my feelings to myself. Never been obsessed by someone like this before........:/

>

> Ishita Bandyo

> www.ishitabandyo.com

> www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts

> www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com

>

> On Dec 9, 2012, at 4:22 AM, C HOLMES <mailto:christineholmes651%40btinternet.com> wrote:

>

> > Hi, I was 12 years old when I saw Olivier as Richard and thought this man is interesting. I read all I could find and just new Richard was not what some made him out to be.

> > Richard has been with me ever since, God Bless him. I would never desert him.

> > Loyaulte me Lie

> > Christine

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

Yup.

Johanne

-----Original Message-----
From:
[mailto:] On Behalf Of Karen Raynor
Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2012 2:16 PM
To: R3
Subject: RE: Re: You know you're a Ricardian
when....


Ive always thought that he was around 32/33 at the time of his
crucifixion?Karen
To:
From: theblackprussian@...
Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2012 17:59:01 +0000
Subject: Re: Re: You know you're a Ricardian
when....

Mmm, but Jesus was 40 at the Crucifiction, hardly a young man in the
1st century. And he didn't die on the cross anyway...

I'm guessing it's Wilde



________________________________
From: wednesday_mc <wednesday.mac@...>
To:
Sent: Sunday, 9 December 2012, 18:12
Subject: Re: You know you're a Ricardian when....

 
He's Irish.

--- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, "mairemulholland" <mairemulholland@...> wrote:
>
> Can you give us a hint as to which author you obsess over? I have a thing about the Brontes and Emily Dickinson!

He is young in the 21st idea of young! At least give me the "betrayal"..


Ishita Bandyo
www.ishitabandyo.com
www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com

On Dec 9, 2012, at 12:59 PM, david rayner <theblackprussian@...> wrote:

> Mmm, but Jesus was 40 at the Crucifiction, hardly a young man in the 1st century. And he didn't die on the cross anyway...
>
> ________________________________
> From: Richard Yahoo <bandyoi@...>
> To: "" <>
> Cc: "" <>
> Sent: Sunday, 9 December 2012, 15:56
> Subject: Re: Re: You know you're a Ricardian when....
>
>
>
> Yes. The injustice surely!
> The tragic death of someone so young and brave is always heartbreaking. Look at how we feel about princess D. Or Marylyn Monroe! And for me mostly Jesus Christ.
>
> Ishita Bandyo
> www.ishitabandyo.com
> www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
> www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
>
> On Dec 9, 2012, at 10:22 AM, liz williams <ferrymansdaughter@...> wrote:
>
> > I think for me it's about the injustice of it all, pure and simple. I'm interested in the medieval era generally but I don't for example get as bothered about Henry II, Edward III etc as I do about Richard.
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Richard Yahoo <bandyoi@...>
> > To: "" <>
> > Sent: Sunday, 9 December 2012, 13:26
> > Subject: Re: Re: You know you're a Ricardian when....
> >
> >
> > Do you guys ever wonder why we feel the way we do about R3? I am having trouble explains my feelings to myself. Never been obsessed by someone like this before........:/
> >
> > Ishita Bandyo
> > www.ishitabandyo.com
> > www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
> > www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
> >
> > On Dec 9, 2012, at 4:22 AM, C HOLMES <mailto:christineholmes651%40btinternet.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi, I was 12 years old when I saw Olivier as Richard and thought this man is interesting. I read all I could find and just new Richard was not what some made him out to be.
> > > Richard has been with me ever since, God Bless him. I would never desert him.
> > > Loyaulte me Lie
> > > Christine
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>

So did I too.....

Ishita Bandyo
www.ishitabandyo.com
www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com

On Dec 9, 2012, at 1:15 PM, Karen Raynor <karenraynor@...> wrote:

>
> Ive always thought that he was around 32/33 at the time of his crucifixion?Karen
> To:
> From: theblackprussian@...
> Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2012 17:59:01 +0000
> Subject: Re: Re: You know you're a Ricardian when....
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Mmm, but Jesus was 40 at the Crucifiction, hardly a young man in the 1st century. And he didn't die on the cross anyway...
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Richard Yahoo <bandyoi@...>
>
> To: "" <>
>
> Cc: "" <>
>
> Sent: Sunday, 9 December 2012, 15:56
>
> Subject: Re: Re: You know you're a Ricardian when....
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes. The injustice surely!
>
> The tragic death of someone so young and brave is always heartbreaking. Look at how we feel about princess D. Or Marylyn Monroe! And for me mostly Jesus Christ.
>
>
>
> Ishita Bandyo
>
> www.ishitabandyo.com
>
> www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
>
> www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
>
>
>
> On Dec 9, 2012, at 10:22 AM, liz williams <ferrymansdaughter@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>> I think for me it's about the injustice of it all, pure and simple. I'm interested in the medieval era generally but I don't for example get as bothered about Henry II, Edward III etc as I do about Richard.
>
>
>> ________________________________
>
>> From: Richard Yahoo <bandyoi@...>
>
>> To: "" <>
>
>> Sent: Sunday, 9 December 2012, 13:26
>
>> Subject: Re: Re: You know you're a Ricardian when....
>
>
>
>> Do you guys ever wonder why we feel the way we do about R3? I am having trouble explains my feelings to myself. Never been obsessed by someone like this before........:/
>
>
>> Ishita Bandyo
>
>> www.ishitabandyo.com
>
>> www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
>
>> www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
>
>
>> On Dec 9, 2012, at 4:22 AM, C HOLMES <mailto:christineholmes651%40btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>
>>> Hi, I was 12 years old when I saw Olivier as Richard and thought this man is interesting. I read all I could find and just new Richard was not what some made him out to be.
>
>>> Richard has been with me ever since, God Bless him. I would never desert him.
>
>>> Loyaulte me Lie
>
>>> Christine
>
>
>>>
>
>
>
>
>>
>
>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

David, just checked he was indeed 33 and die in the cross! Lets ask the expert... Johanne, that is:)

Ishita Bandyo
www.ishitabandyo.com
www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com

On Dec 9, 2012, at 12:59 PM, david rayner <theblackprussian@...> wrote:

> Mmm, but Jesus was 40 at the Crucifiction, hardly a young man in the 1st century. And he didn't die on the cross anyway...
>
> ________________________________
> From: Richard Yahoo <bandyoi@...>
> To: "" <>
> Cc: "" <>
> Sent: Sunday, 9 December 2012, 15:56
> Subject: Re: Re: You know you're a Ricardian when....
>
>
>
> Yes. The injustice surely!
> The tragic death of someone so young and brave is always heartbreaking. Look at how we feel about princess D. Or Marylyn Monroe! And for me mostly Jesus Christ.
>
> Ishita Bandyo
> www.ishitabandyo.com
> www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
> www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
>
> On Dec 9, 2012, at 10:22 AM, liz williams <ferrymansdaughter@...> wrote:
>
> > I think for me it's about the injustice of it all, pure and simple. I'm interested in the medieval era generally but I don't for example get as bothered about Henry II, Edward III etc as I do about Richard.
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Richard Yahoo <bandyoi@...>
> > To: "" <>
> > Sent: Sunday, 9 December 2012, 13:26
> > Subject: Re: Re: You know you're a Ricardian when....
> >
> >
> > Do you guys ever wonder why we feel the way we do about R3? I am having trouble explains my feelings to myself. Never been obsessed by someone like this before........:/
> >
> > Ishita Bandyo
> > www.ishitabandyo.com
> > www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
> > www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
> >
> > On Dec 9, 2012, at 4:22 AM, C HOLMES <mailto:christineholmes651%40btinternet.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi, I was 12 years old when I saw Olivier as Richard and thought this man is interesting. I read all I could find and just new Richard was not what some made him out to be.
> > > Richard has been with me ever since, God Bless him. I would never desert him.
> > > Loyaulte me Lie
> > > Christine
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>

I agree with the age,but as to the fact that he died on the cross? I have my doubts.....
To:
From: bandyoi@...
Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2012 14:33:13 -0500
Subject: Re: Re: You know you're a Ricardian when....


























David, just checked he was indeed 33 and die in the cross! Lets ask the expert... Johanne, that is:)



Ishita Bandyo

www.ishitabandyo.com

www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts

www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com



On Dec 9, 2012, at 12:59 PM, david rayner <theblackprussian@...> wrote:



> Mmm, but Jesus was 40 at the Crucifiction, hardly a young man in the 1st century. And he didn't die on the cross anyway...

>

> ________________________________

> From: Richard Yahoo <bandyoi@...>

> To: "" <>

> Cc: "" <>

> Sent: Sunday, 9 December 2012, 15:56

> Subject: Re: Re: You know you're a Ricardian when....

>

>

>

> Yes. The injustice surely!

> The tragic death of someone so young and brave is always heartbreaking. Look at how we feel about princess D. Or Marylyn Monroe! And for me mostly Jesus Christ.

>

> Ishita Bandyo

> www.ishitabandyo.com

> www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts

> www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com

>

> On Dec 9, 2012, at 10:22 AM, liz williams <ferrymansdaughter@...> wrote:

>

> > I think for me it's about the injustice of it all, pure and simple. I'm interested in the medieval era generally but I don't for example get as bothered about Henry II, Edward III etc as I do about Richard.

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: Richard Yahoo <bandyoi@...>

> > To: "" <>

> > Sent: Sunday, 9 December 2012, 13:26

> > Subject: Re: Re: You know you're a Ricardian when....

> >

> >

> > Do you guys ever wonder why we feel the way we do about R3? I am having trouble explains my feelings to myself. Never been obsessed by someone like this before........:/

> >

> > Ishita Bandyo

> > www.ishitabandyo.com

> > www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts

> > www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com

> >

> > On Dec 9, 2012, at 4:22 AM, C HOLMES <mailto:christineholmes651%40btinternet.com> wrote:

> >

> > > Hi, I was 12 years old when I saw Olivier as Richard and thought this man is interesting. I read all I could find and just new Richard was not what some made him out to be.

> > > Richard has been with me ever since, God Bless him. I would never desert him.

> > > Loyaulte me Lie

> > > Christine

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

Karen, why so? For all these years I have been thinking he did die on that cross....... Of course we are taking for granted he is a historical person( I like to think so)!

Ishita Bandyo
www.ishitabandyo.com
www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com

On Dec 9, 2012, at 2:48 PM, Karen Raynor <karenraynor@...> wrote:

>
> I agree with the age,but as to the fact that he died on the cross? I have my doubts.....
> To:
> From: bandyoi@...
> Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2012 14:33:13 -0500
> Subject: Re: Re: You know you're a Ricardian when....
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> David, just checked he was indeed 33 and die in the cross! Lets ask the expert... Johanne, that is:)
>
>
>
> Ishita Bandyo
>
> www.ishitabandyo.com
>
> www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
>
> www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
>
>
>
> On Dec 9, 2012, at 12:59 PM, david rayner <theblackprussian@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>> Mmm, but Jesus was 40 at the Crucifiction, hardly a young man in the 1st century. And he didn't die on the cross anyway...
>
>
>> ________________________________
>
>> From: Richard Yahoo <bandyoi@...>
>
>> To: "" <>
>
>> Cc: "" <>
>
>> Sent: Sunday, 9 December 2012, 15:56
>
>> Subject: Re: Re: You know you're a Ricardian when....
>
>
>
>
>> Yes. The injustice surely!
>
>> The tragic death of someone so young and brave is always heartbreaking. Look at how we feel about princess D. Or Marylyn Monroe! And for me mostly Jesus Christ.
>
>
>> Ishita Bandyo
>
>> www.ishitabandyo.com
>
>> www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
>
>> www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
>
>
>> On Dec 9, 2012, at 10:22 AM, liz williams <ferrymansdaughter@...> wrote:
>
>
>>> I think for me it's about the injustice of it all, pure and simple. I'm interested in the medieval era generally but I don't for example get as bothered about Henry II, Edward III etc as I do about Richard.
>
>
>>> ________________________________
>
>>> From: Richard Yahoo <bandyoi@...>
>
>>> To: "" <>
>
>>> Sent: Sunday, 9 December 2012, 13:26
>
>>> Subject: Re: Re: You know you're a Ricardian when....
>
>
>
>>> Do you guys ever wonder why we feel the way we do about R3? I am having trouble explains my feelings to myself. Never been obsessed by someone like this before........:/
>
>
>>> Ishita Bandyo
>
>>> www.ishitabandyo.com
>
>>> www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
>
>>> www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
>
>
>>> On Dec 9, 2012, at 4:22 AM, C HOLMES <mailto:christineholmes651%40btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>
>>>> Hi, I was 12 years old when I saw Olivier as Richard and thought this man is interesting. I read all I could find and just new Richard was not what some made him out to be.
>
>>>> Richard has been with me ever since, God Bless him. I would never desert him.
>
>>>> Loyaulte me Lie
>
>>>> Christine
>
>
>>>>
>
>
>
>
>>>
>
>
>>>
>
>
>
>
>>
>
>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Ooh, I sent a " friends" request to someone called Richard Plantagenet ! To a complete stranger who might be a serial killer for all I know! Talk about being obsessed with Richard......
Unless its one of you!
Who are on Facebook from here?

Ishita Bandyo
www.ishitabandyo.com
www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com

On Dec 9, 2012, at 2:15 PM, liz williams <ferrymansdaughter@...> wrote:

> I'm guessing it's Wilde
>
> ________________________________
> From: wednesday_mc <wednesday.mac@...>
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, 9 December 2012, 18:12
> Subject: Re: You know you're a Ricardian when...
>

There is no doubt that Jesus lived; we have more proof of his existence from
near-contemporary accounts than we have for many ancient personages. You can
say he didn't die on the cross, but the fact is that the disciples were
disheartened and scattered - Peter denied Jesus, remember - until the
resurrection. So something happened that caused the disciples to be willing
to endure persecution and even martyrs' deaths.



The accounts say that it was verified that he was dead when his body was
taken down and placed in the tomb. And a guard was posted, to make sure the
disciples didn't come and steal the body.



BTW, there are non-Christian statements that Jesus was condemned and
executed as a criminal by the Romans.



The teachings and sayings of Jesus were carefully preserved and recorded, so
regardless of whether you believe in the "mythos" of Jesus, you can at least
believe in what he taught. For one thing, the Greatest Commandment. And for
another thing, that he came not to replace the Law but to fulfill it.



That's all - I really don't have time . . . as I mentioned before.



Loyaulte me lie,



Johanne









~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Johanne L. Tournier



Email - jltournier60@...

or jltournier@...



"With God, all things are possible."

- Jesus of Nazareth

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



From:
[mailto:] On Behalf Of Richard Yahoo
Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2012 3:57 PM
To:
Subject: Re: Re: You know you're a Ricardian
when....





Karen, why so? For all these years I have been thinking he did die on that
cross....... Of course we are taking for granted he is a historical person(
I like to think so)!

Ishita Bandyo
www.ishitabandyo.com
www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com

On Dec 9, 2012, at 2:48 PM, Karen Raynor <karenraynor@...
<mailto:karenraynor%40hotmail.co.uk> > wrote:

>
> I agree with the age,but as to the fact that he died on the cross? I have
my doubts.....
> To:
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> From: bandyoi@... <mailto:bandyoi%40yahoo.com>
> Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2012 14:33:13 -0500
> Subject: Re: Re: You know you're a Ricardian
when....
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> David, just checked he was indeed 33 and die in the cross! Lets ask the
expert... Johanne, that is:)
>
>
>
> Ishita Bandyo
>
> www.ishitabandyo.com
>
> www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
>
> www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
>
>
>
> On Dec 9, 2012, at 12:59 PM, david rayner <theblackprussian@...
<mailto:theblackprussian%40yahoo.co.uk> > wrote:
>
>
>
>> Mmm, but Jesus was 40 at the Crucifiction, hardly a young man in the 1st
century. And he didn't die on the cross anyway...
>
>
>> ________________________________
>
>> From: Richard Yahoo <bandyoi@... <mailto:bandyoi%40yahoo.com> >
>
>> To: "
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> "
<
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> >
>
>> Cc: "
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> "
<
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> >
>
>> Sent: Sunday, 9 December 2012, 15:56
>
>> Subject: Re: Re: You know you're a Ricardian
when....
>
>
>
>
>> Yes. The injustice surely!
>
>> The tragic death of someone so young and brave is always heartbreaking.
Look at how we feel about princess D. Or Marylyn Monroe! And for me mostly
Jesus Christ.
>
>
>> Ishita Bandyo
>
>> www.ishitabandyo.com
>
>> www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
>
>> www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
>
>
>> On Dec 9, 2012, at 10:22 AM, liz williams
<ferrymansdaughter@...
<mailto:ferrymansdaughter%40btinternet.com> > wrote:
>
>
>>> I think for me it's about the injustice of it all, pure and simple. I'm
interested in the medieval era generally but I don't for example get as
bothered about Henry II, Edward III etc as I do about Richard.
>
>
>>> ________________________________
>
>>> From: Richard Yahoo <bandyoi@... <mailto:bandyoi%40yahoo.com> >
>
>>> To: "
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> "
<
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> >
>
>>> Sent: Sunday, 9 December 2012, 13:26
>
>>> Subject: Re: Re: You know you're a Ricardian
when....
>
>
>
>>> Do you guys ever wonder why we feel the way we do about R3? I am having
trouble explains my feelings to myself. Never been obsessed by someone like
this before........:/
>
>
>>> Ishita Bandyo
>
>>> www.ishitabandyo.com
>
>>> www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
>
>>> www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
>
>
>>> On Dec 9, 2012, at 4:22 AM, C HOLMES
<mailto:christineholmes651%40btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>
>>>> Hi, I was 12 years old when I saw Olivier as Richard and thought this
man is interesting. I read all I could find and just new Richard was not
what some made him out to be.
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>>>> Richard has been with me ever since, God Bless him. I would never
desert him.
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Yes, but under my own name.

----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Yahoo
To:
Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2012 8:03 PM
Subject: Re: Re: You know you're a Ricardian when....



Ooh, I sent a " friends" request to someone called Richard Plantagenet ! To a complete stranger who might be a serial killer for all I know! Talk about being obsessed with Richard......
Unless its one of you!
Who are on Facebook from here?

Ishita Bandyo
www.ishitabandyo.com
www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com

On Dec 9, 2012, at 2:15 PM, liz williams <ferrymansdaughter@...> wrote:

> I'm guessing it's Wilde
>
> ________________________________
> From: wednesday_mc <wednesday.mac@...>
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, 9 December 2012, 18:12
> Subject: Re: You know you're a Ricardian when...
>

I am on FB as are a few other people here- and I'm friends with Richard Plantaganet.   Don't worry you'll be quite safe, no serial killing involved!



________________________________
From: Richard Yahoo <bandyoi@...>
To: "" <>
Sent: Sunday, 9 December 2012, 20:03
Subject: Re: Re: You know you're a Ricardian when....

 
Ooh, I sent a " friends" request to someone called Richard Plantagenet ! To a complete stranger who might be a serial killer for all I know! Talk about being obsessed with Richard......
Unless its one of you!
Who are on Facebook from here?

Ishita Bandyo
www.ishitabandyo.com
www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com

On Dec 9, 2012, at 2:15 PM, liz williams <mailto:ferrymansdaughter%40btinternet.com> wrote:

> I'm guessing it's Wilde
>
> ________________________________
> From: wednesday_mc <mailto:wednesday.mac%40gmail.com>
> To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, 9 December 2012, 18:12
> Subject: Re: You know you're a Ricardian when...
>

Faith I have time for.Organised religion,being told what to think,and people persecuted across all religions,by others who are convinced that their way is the right way,I don't have time for.
KarenTo:
From: jltournier60@...
Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2012 16:06:23 -0400
Subject: OT - Jesus (was RE: You know you're a Ricardian when....)


























There is no doubt that Jesus lived; we have more proof of his existence from

near-contemporary accounts than we have for many ancient personages. You can

say he didn't die on the cross, but the fact is that the disciples were

disheartened and scattered - Peter denied Jesus, remember - until the

resurrection. So something happened that caused the disciples to be willing

to endure persecution and even martyrs' deaths.



The accounts say that it was verified that he was dead when his body was

taken down and placed in the tomb. And a guard was posted, to make sure the

disciples didn't come and steal the body.



BTW, there are non-Christian statements that Jesus was condemned and

executed as a criminal by the Romans.



The teachings and sayings of Jesus were carefully preserved and recorded, so

regardless of whether you believe in the "mythos" of Jesus, you can at least

believe in what he taught. For one thing, the Greatest Commandment. And for

another thing, that he came not to replace the Law but to fulfill it.



That's all - I really don't have time . . . as I mentioned before.



Loyaulte me lie,



Johanne



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



Johanne L. Tournier



Email - jltournier60@...



or jltournier@...



"With God, all things are possible."



- Jesus of Nazareth



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



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From:

[mailto:] On Behalf Of Richard Yahoo

Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2012 3:57 PM

To:

Subject: Re: Re: You know you're a Ricardian

when....



Karen, why so? For all these years I have been thinking he did die on that

cross....... Of course we are taking for granted he is a historical person(

I like to think so)!



Ishita Bandyo

www.ishitabandyo.com

www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts

www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com



On Dec 9, 2012, at 2:48 PM, Karen Raynor <karenraynor@...

<mailto:karenraynor%40hotmail.co.uk> > wrote:



>

> I agree with the age,but as to the fact that he died on the cross? I have

my doubts.....

> To:

<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>

> From: bandyoi@... <mailto:bandyoi%40yahoo.com>

> Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2012 14:33:13 -0500

> Subject: Re: Re: You know you're a Ricardian

when....

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> David, just checked he was indeed 33 and die in the cross! Lets ask the

expert... Johanne, that is:)

>

>

>

> Ishita Bandyo

>

> www.ishitabandyo.com

>

> www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts

>

> www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com

>

>

>

> On Dec 9, 2012, at 12:59 PM, david rayner <theblackprussian@...

<mailto:theblackprussian%40yahoo.co.uk> > wrote:

>

>

>

>> Mmm, but Jesus was 40 at the Crucifiction, hardly a young man in the 1st

century. And he didn't die on the cross anyway...

>

>

>> ________________________________

>

>> From: Richard Yahoo <bandyoi@... <mailto:bandyoi%40yahoo.com> >

>

>> To: "

<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> "

<

<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> >

>

>> Cc: "

<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> "

<

<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> >

>

>> Sent: Sunday, 9 December 2012, 15:56

>

>> Subject: Re: Re: You know you're a Ricardian

when....

>

>

>

>

>> Yes. The injustice surely!

>

>> The tragic death of someone so young and brave is always heartbreaking.

Look at how we feel about princess D. Or Marylyn Monroe! And for me mostly

Jesus Christ.

>

>

>> Ishita Bandyo

>

>> www.ishitabandyo.com

>

>> www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts

>

>> www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com

>

>

>> On Dec 9, 2012, at 10:22 AM, liz williams

<ferrymansdaughter@...

<mailto:ferrymansdaughter%40btinternet.com> > wrote:

>

>

>>> I think for me it's about the injustice of it all, pure and simple. I'm

interested in the medieval era generally but I don't for example get as

bothered about Henry II, Edward III etc as I do about Richard.

>

>

>>> ________________________________

>

>>> From: Richard Yahoo <bandyoi@... <mailto:bandyoi%40yahoo.com> >

>

>>> To: "

<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> "

<

<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> >

>

>>> Sent: Sunday, 9 December 2012, 13:26

>

>>> Subject: Re: Re: You know you're a Ricardian

when....

>

>

>

>>> Do you guys ever wonder why we feel the way we do about R3? I am having

trouble explains my feelings to myself. Never been obsessed by someone like

this before........:/

>

>

>>> Ishita Bandyo

>

>>> www.ishitabandyo.com

>

>>> www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts

>

>>> www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com

>

>

>>> On Dec 9, 2012, at 4:22 AM, C HOLMES

<mailto:christineholmes651%40btinternet.com> wrote:

>

>

>>>> Hi, I was 12 years old when I saw Olivier as Richard and thought this

man is interesting. I read all I could find and just new Richard was not

what some made him out to be.

>

>>>> Richard has been with me ever since, God Bless him. I would never

desert him.

>

>>>> Loyaulte me Lie

>

>>>> Christine

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> Yahoo! Groups Links

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>

Most historians agree that Jesus was born about 6 or 7BC, and the Crucifiction was in 33AD, so 40 is the correct age.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birth_of_Jesus#Date_of_birth


It took people several days to die on the cross; the whole point of the method was that it was a slow, long death by strangulation. Jesus was up there for no more than 5 or 6 hours. You'll remember that the other men crucified had to have their legs broken so they'd suffocate - there's no indication this was done to Jesus.
This was done so that the men wouldn't be on the cross during the Sabbath - against Jewish law - and shows that Pilate colluded to ensure the crucifictions were done on a Friday - the day before the Jewish Sabbath (Sunday is the day people worshiped - the Sun).

Jesus was given a drug - hyssop, which can induce coma - while on the cross, and "breathed his last" immediately thereafter. The fact that the wound inflicted on him later by the Centurian "bled copiously" shows that Jesus's heart must still have been beating. Henvce, the miraculous recovery.

________________________________
From: Johanne Tournier <jltournier60@...>
To:
Sent: Sunday, 9 December 2012, 20:06
Subject: OT - Jesus (was RE: You know you're a Ricardian when....)


 
There is no doubt that Jesus lived; we have more proof of his existence from
near-contemporary accounts than we have for many ancient personages. You can
say he didn't die on the cross, but the fact is that the disciples were
disheartened and scattered - Peter denied Jesus, remember - until the
resurrection. So something happened that caused the disciples to be willing
to endure persecution and even martyrs' deaths.

The accounts say that it was verified that he was dead when his body was
taken down and placed in the tomb. And a guard was posted, to make sure the
disciples didn't come and steal the body.

BTW, there are non-Christian statements that Jesus was condemned and
executed as a criminal by the Romans.

The teachings and sayings of Jesus were carefully preserved and recorded, so
regardless of whether you believe in the "mythos" of Jesus, you can at least
believe in what he taught. For one thing, the Greatest Commandment. And for
another thing, that he came not to replace the Law but to fulfill it.

That's all - I really don't have time . . . as I mentioned before.

Loyaulte me lie,

Johanne

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Johanne L. Tournier

Email - jltournier60@...

or jltournier@...

"With God, all things are possible."

- Jesus of Nazareth

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

From:
[mailto:] On Behalf Of Richard Yahoo
Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2012 3:57 PM
To:
Subject: Re: Re: You know you're a Ricardian
when....

Karen, why so? For all these years I have been thinking he did die on that
cross....... Of course we are taking for granted he is a historical person(
I like to think so)!

Ishita Bandyo
www.ishitabandyo.com
www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com

On Dec 9, 2012, at 2:48 PM, Karen Raynor <karenraynor@...
<mailto:karenraynor%40hotmail.co.uk> > wrote:

>
> I agree with the age,but as to the fact that he died on the cross? I have
my doubts.....
> To:
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> From: bandyoi@... <mailto:bandyoi%40yahoo.com>
> Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2012 14:33:13 -0500
> Subject: Re: Re: You know you're a Ricardian
when....
>
>
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> David, just checked he was indeed 33 and die in the cross! Lets ask the
expert... Johanne, that is:)
>
>
>
> Ishita Bandyo
>
> www.ishitabandyo.com
>
> www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
>
> www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
>
>
>
> On Dec 9, 2012, at 12:59 PM, david rayner <theblackprussian@...
<mailto:theblackprussian%40yahoo.co.uk> > wrote:
>
>
>
>> Mmm, but Jesus was 40 at the Crucifiction, hardly a young man in the 1st
century. And he didn't die on the cross anyway...
>
>
>> ________________________________
>
>> From: Richard Yahoo <bandyoi@... <mailto:bandyoi%40yahoo.com> >
>
>> To: "
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> "
<
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> >
>
>> Cc: "
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> "
<
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> >
>
>> Sent: Sunday, 9 December 2012, 15:56
>
>> Subject: Re: Re: You know you're a Ricardian
when....
>
>
>
>
>> Yes. The injustice surely!
>
>> The tragic death of someone so young and brave is always heartbreaking.
Look at how we feel about princess D. Or Marylyn Monroe! And for me mostly
Jesus Christ.
>
>
>> Ishita Bandyo
>
>> www.ishitabandyo.com
>
>> www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
>
>> www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
>
>
>> On Dec 9, 2012, at 10:22 AM, liz williams
<ferrymansdaughter@...
<mailto:ferrymansdaughter%40btinternet.com> > wrote:
>
>
>>> I think for me it's about the injustice of it all, pure and simple. I'm
interested in the medieval era generally but I don't for example get as
bothered about Henry II, Edward III etc as I do about Richard.
>
>
>>> ________________________________
>
>>> From: Richard Yahoo <bandyoi@... <mailto:bandyoi%40yahoo.com> >
>
>>> To: "
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> "
<
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> >
>
>>> Sent: Sunday, 9 December 2012, 13:26
>
>>> Subject: Re: Re: You know you're a Ricardian
when....
>
>
>
>>> Do you guys ever wonder why we feel the way we do about R3? I am having
trouble explains my feelings to myself. Never been obsessed by someone like
this before........:/
>
>
>>> Ishita Bandyo
>
>>> www.ishitabandyo.com
>
>>> www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
>
>>> www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
>
>
>>> On Dec 9, 2012, at 4:22 AM, C HOLMES
<mailto:christineholmes651%40btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>
>>>> Hi, I was 12 years old when I saw Olivier as Richard and thought this
man is interesting. I read all I could find and just new Richard was not
what some made him out to be.
>
>>>> Richard has been with me ever since, God Bless him. I would never
desert him.
>
>>>> Loyaulte me Lie
>
>>>> Christine
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Isn't Richard Plantagenet the FB handle for the Richard III Foundation?



I'm friends with him/it, too! No serial killing that I've observed, so far at least!



Loyaulte me lie,



Johanne



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Johanne L. Tournier



Email - jltournier60@...

or jltournier@...



"With God, all things are possible."

- Jesus of Nazareth

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of liz williams
Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2012 4:28 PM
To:
Subject: Re: Re: You know you're a Ricardian when....





I am on FB as are a few other people here- and I'm friends with Richard Plantaganet. Don't worry you'll be quite safe, no serial killing involved!

________________________________
From: Richard Yahoo <bandyoi@... <mailto:bandyoi%40yahoo.com> >
To: " <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> " < <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> >
Sent: Sunday, 9 December 2012, 20:03
Subject: Re: Re: You know you're a Ricardian when....


Ooh, I sent a " friends" request to someone called Richard Plantagenet ! To a complete stranger who might be a serial killer for all I know! Talk about being obsessed with Richard......
Unless its one of you!
Who are on Facebook from here?

Ishita Bandyo
www.ishitabandyo.com
www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com

On Dec 9, 2012, at 2:15 PM, liz williams <mailto:ferrymansdaughter%40btinternet.com> wrote:

> I'm guessing it's Wilde
>
> ________________________________
> From: wednesday_mc <mailto:wednesday.mac%40gmail.com>
> To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, 9 December 2012, 18:12
> Subject: Re: You know you're a Ricardian when...
>

Yes but I don't know who actually runs the page i.e. one person or several.



________________________________
From: Johanne Tournier <jltournier60@...>
To:
Sent: Sunday, 9 December 2012, 20:42
Subject: RE: Re: You know you're a Ricardian when....

 
Isn't Richard Plantagenet the FB handle for the Richard III Foundation?

I'm friends with him/it, too! No serial killing that I've observed, so far at least!

Loyaulte me lie,

Johanne

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Johanne L. Tournier

Email - mailto:jltournier60%40hotmail.com

or mailto:jltournier%40xcountry.tv

"With God, all things are possible."

- Jesus of Nazareth

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

From: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailto:%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of liz williams
Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2012 4:28 PM
To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Re: You know you're a Ricardian when....

I am on FB as are a few other people here- and I'm friends with Richard Plantaganet. Don't worry you'll be quite safe, no serial killing involved!

________________________________
From: Richard Yahoo <mailto:bandyoi%40yahoo.com <mailto:bandyoi%40yahoo.com> >
To: "mailto:%40yahoogroups.com <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> " <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> >
Sent: Sunday, 9 December 2012, 20:03
Subject: Re: Re: You know you're a Ricardian when....

Ooh, I sent a " friends" request to someone called Richard Plantagenet ! To a complete stranger who might be a serial killer for all I know! Talk about being obsessed with Richard......
Unless its one of you!
Who are on Facebook from here?

Ishita Bandyo
www.ishitabandyo.com
www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com

On Dec 9, 2012, at 2:15 PM, liz williams <mailto:ferrymansdaughter%40btinternet.com> wrote:

> I'm guessing it's Wilde
>
> ________________________________
> From: wednesday_mc <mailto:wednesday.mac%40gmail.com>
> To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, 9 December 2012, 18:12
> Subject: Re: You know you're a Ricardian when...
>

Karen, you could not have said it better.
Ishita

Sent from my iPad

On Dec 9, 2012, at 3:35 PM, Karen Raynor <karenraynor@...> wrote:

>
> Faith I have time for.Organised religion,being told what to think,and people persecuted across all religions,by others who are convinced that their way is the right way,I don't have time for.
> KarenTo:
> From: jltournier60@...
> Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2012 16:06:23 -0400
> Subject: OT - Jesus (was RE: You know you're a Ricardian when....)
>
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> There is no doubt that Jesus lived; we have more proof of his existence from
>
> near-contemporary accounts than we have for many ancient personages. You can
>
> say he didn't die on the cross, but the fact is that the disciples were
>
> disheartened and scattered - Peter denied Jesus, remember - until the
>
> resurrection. So something happened that caused the disciples to be willing
>
> to endure persecution and even martyrs' deaths.
>
>
>
> The accounts say that it was verified that he was dead when his body was
>
> taken down and placed in the tomb. And a guard was posted, to make sure the
>
> disciples didn't come and steal the body.
>
>
>
> BTW, there are non-Christian statements that Jesus was condemned and
>
> executed as a criminal by the Romans.
>
>
>
> The teachings and sayings of Jesus were carefully preserved and recorded, so
>
> regardless of whether you believe in the "mythos" of Jesus, you can at least
>
> believe in what he taught. For one thing, the Greatest Commandment. And for
>
> another thing, that he came not to replace the Law but to fulfill it.
>
>
>
> That's all - I really don't have time . . . as I mentioned before.
>
>
>
> Loyaulte me lie,
>
>
>
> Johanne
>
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
>
> Johanne L. Tournier
>
>
>
> Email - jltournier60@...
>
>
>
> or jltournier@...
>
>
>
> "With God, all things are possible."
>
>
>
> - Jesus of Nazareth
>
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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>
>
> From:
>
> [mailto:] On Behalf Of Richard Yahoo
>
> Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2012 3:57 PM
>
> To:
>
> Subject: Re: Re: You know you're a Ricardian
>
> when....
>
>
>
> Karen, why so? For all these years I have been thinking he did die on that
>
> cross....... Of course we are taking for granted he is a historical person(
>
> I like to think so)!
>
>
>
> Ishita Bandyo
>
> www.ishitabandyo.com
>
> www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
>
> www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
>
>
>
> On Dec 9, 2012, at 2:48 PM, Karen Raynor <karenraynor@...
>
> <mailto:karenraynor%40hotmail.co.uk> > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>> I agree with the age,but as to the fact that he died on the cross? I have
>
> my doubts.....
>
>> To:
>
> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
>
>> From: bandyoi@... <mailto:bandyoi%40yahoo.com>
>
>> Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2012 14:33:13 -0500
>
>> Subject: Re: Re: You know you're a Ricardian
>
> when....
>
>
>
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>
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>
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>
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>> David, just checked he was indeed 33 and die in the cross! Lets ask the
>
> expert... Johanne, that is:)
>
>
>
>
>> Ishita Bandyo
>
>
>> www.ishitabandyo.com
>
>
>> www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
>
>
>> www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
>
>
>
>
>> On Dec 9, 2012, at 12:59 PM, david rayner <theblackprussian@...
>
> <mailto:theblackprussian%40yahoo.co.uk> > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>>> Mmm, but Jesus was 40 at the Crucifiction, hardly a young man in the 1st
>
> century. And he didn't die on the cross anyway...
>
>
>
>>> ________________________________
>
>
>>> From: Richard Yahoo <bandyoi@... <mailto:bandyoi%40yahoo.com> >
>
>
>>> To: "
>
> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> "
>
> <
>
> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> >
>
>
>>> Cc: "
>
> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> "
>
> <
>
> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> >
>
>
>>> Sent: Sunday, 9 December 2012, 15:56
>
>
>>> Subject: Re: Re: You know you're a Ricardian
>
> when....
>
>
>
>
>
>>> Yes. The injustice surely!
>
>
>>> The tragic death of someone so young and brave is always heartbreaking.
>
> Look at how we feel about princess D. Or Marylyn Monroe! And for me mostly
>
> Jesus Christ.
>
>
>
>>> Ishita Bandyo
>
>
>>> www.ishitabandyo.com
>
>
>>> www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
>
>
>>> www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
>
>
>
>>> On Dec 9, 2012, at 10:22 AM, liz williams
>
> <ferrymansdaughter@...
>
> <mailto:ferrymansdaughter%40btinternet.com> > wrote:
>
>
>
>>>> I think for me it's about the injustice of it all, pure and simple. I'm
>
> interested in the medieval era generally but I don't for example get as
>
> bothered about Henry II, Edward III etc as I do about Richard.
>
>
>
>>>> ________________________________
>
>
>>>> From: Richard Yahoo <bandyoi@... <mailto:bandyoi%40yahoo.com> >
>
>
>>>> To: "
>
> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> "
>
> <
>
> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> >
>
>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, 9 December 2012, 13:26
>
>
>>>> Subject: Re: Re: You know you're a Ricardian
>
> when....
>
>
>
>
>>>> Do you guys ever wonder why we feel the way we do about R3? I am having
>
> trouble explains my feelings to myself. Never been obsessed by someone like
>
> this before........:/
>
>
>
>>>> Ishita Bandyo
>
>
>>>> www.ishitabandyo.com
>
>
>>>> www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
>
>
>>>> www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
>
>
>
>>>> On Dec 9, 2012, at 4:22 AM, C HOLMES
>
> <mailto:christineholmes651%40btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>>>>> Hi, I was 12 years old when I saw Olivier as Richard and thought this
>
> man is interesting. I read all I could find and just new Richard was not
>
> what some made him out to be.
>
>
>>>>> Richard has been with me ever since, God Bless him. I would never
>
> desert him.
>
>
>>>>> Loyaulte me Lie
>
>
>>>>> Christine
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>> Yahoo! Groups Links
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> Yahoo! Groups Links
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No David not historians, as there is no evidence a man called Jesus ever lived. It is all a matter of faith.

On 9 Dec 2012, at 20:42, david rayner wrote:

> Most historians agree that Jesus was born about 6 or 7BC, and the Crucifiction was in 33AD, so 40 is the correct age.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birth_of_Jesus#Date_of_birth
>
>
> It took people several days to die on the cross; the whole point of the method was that it was a slow, long death by strangulation. Jesus was up there for no more than 5 or 6 hours. You'll remember that the other men crucified had to have their legs broken so they'd suffocate - there's no indication this was done to Jesus.
> This was done so that the men wouldn't be on the cross during the Sabbath - against Jewish law - and shows that Pilate colluded to ensure the crucifictions were done on a Friday - the day before the Jewish Sabbath (Sunday is the day people worshiped - the Sun).
>
> Jesus was given a drug - hyssop, which can induce coma - while on the cross, and "breathed his last" immediately thereafter. The fact that the wound inflicted on him later by the Centurian "bled copiously" shows that Jesus's heart must still have been beating. Henvce, the miraculous recovery.
>
> ________________________________
> From: Johanne Tournier <jltournier60@...>
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, 9 December 2012, 20:06
> Subject: OT - Jesus (was RE: You know you're a Ricardian when....)
>
>
>
> There is no doubt that Jesus lived; we have more proof of his existence from
> near-contemporary accounts than we have for many ancient personages. You can
> say he didn't die on the cross, but the fact is that the disciples were
> disheartened and scattered - Peter denied Jesus, remember - until the
> resurrection. So something happened that caused the disciples to be willing
> to endure persecution and even martyrs' deaths.
>
> The accounts say that it was verified that he was dead when his body was
> taken down and placed in the tomb. And a guard was posted, to make sure the
> disciples didn't come and steal the body.
>
> BTW, there are non-Christian statements that Jesus was condemned and
> executed as a criminal by the Romans.
>
> The teachings and sayings of Jesus were carefully preserved and recorded, so
> regardless of whether you believe in the "mythos" of Jesus, you can at least
> believe in what he taught. For one thing, the Greatest Commandment. And for
> another thing, that he came not to replace the Law but to fulfill it.
>
> That's all - I really don't have time . . . as I mentioned before.
>
> Loyaulte me lie,
>
> Johanne
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Johanne L. Tournier
>
> Email - jltournier60@...
>
> or jltournier@...
>
> "With God, all things are possible."
>
> - Jesus of Nazareth
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> From:
> [mailto:] On Behalf Of Richard Yahoo
> Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2012 3:57 PM
> To:
> Subject: Re: Re: You know you're a Ricardian
> when....
>
> Karen, why so? For all these years I have been thinking he did die on that
> cross....... Of course we are taking for granted he is a historical person(
> I like to think so)!
>
> Ishita Bandyo
> www.ishitabandyo.com
> www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
> www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
>
> On Dec 9, 2012, at 2:48 PM, Karen Raynor <karenraynor@...
> <mailto:karenraynor%40hotmail.co.uk> > wrote:
>
>>
>> I agree with the age,but as to the fact that he died on the cross? I have
> my doubts.....
>> To:
> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
>> From: bandyoi@... <mailto:bandyoi%40yahoo.com>
>> Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2012 14:33:13 -0500
>> Subject: Re: Re: You know you're a Ricardian
> when....
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> David, just checked he was indeed 33 and die in the cross! Lets ask the
> expert... Johanne, that is:)
>>
>>
>>
>> Ishita Bandyo
>>
>> www.ishitabandyo.com
>>
>> www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
>>
>> www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 9, 2012, at 12:59 PM, david rayner <theblackprussian@...
> <mailto:theblackprussian%40yahoo.co.uk> > wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Mmm, but Jesus was 40 at the Crucifiction, hardly a young man in the 1st
> century. And he didn't die on the cross anyway...
>>
>>
>>> ________________________________
>>
>>> From: Richard Yahoo <bandyoi@... <mailto:bandyoi%40yahoo.com> >
>>
>>> To: "
> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> "
> <
> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> >
>>
>>> Cc: "
> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> "
> <
> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> >
>>
>>> Sent: Sunday, 9 December 2012, 15:56
>>
>>> Subject: Re: Re: You know you're a Ricardian
> when....
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Yes. The injustice surely!
>>
>>> The tragic death of someone so young and brave is always heartbreaking.
> Look at how we feel about princess D. Or Marylyn Monroe! And for me mostly
> Jesus Christ.
>>
>>
>>> Ishita Bandyo
>>
>>> www.ishitabandyo.com
>>
>>> www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
>>
>>> www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
>>
>>
>>> On Dec 9, 2012, at 10:22 AM, liz williams
> <ferrymansdaughter@...
> <mailto:ferrymansdaughter%40btinternet.com> > wrote:
>>
>>
>>>> I think for me it's about the injustice of it all, pure and simple. I'm
> interested in the medieval era generally but I don't for example get as
> bothered about Henry II, Edward III etc as I do about Richard.
>>
>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>
>>>> From: Richard Yahoo <bandyoi@... <mailto:bandyoi%40yahoo.com> >
>>
>>>> To: "
> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> "
> <
> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> >
>>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, 9 December 2012, 13:26
>>
>>>> Subject: Re: Re: You know you're a Ricardian
> when....
>>
>>
>>
>>>> Do you guys ever wonder why we feel the way we do about R3? I am having
> trouble explains my feelings to myself. Never been obsessed by someone like
> this before........:/
>>
>>
>>>> Ishita Bandyo
>>
>>>> www.ishitabandyo.com
>>
>>>> www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
>>
>>>> www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
>>
>>
>>>> On Dec 9, 2012, at 4:22 AM, C HOLMES
> <mailto:christineholmes651%40btinternet.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>> Hi, I was 12 years old when I saw Olivier as Richard and thought this
> man is interesting. I read all I could find and just new Richard was not
> what some made him out to be.
>>
>>>>> Richard has been with me ever since, God Bless him. I would never
> desert him.
>>
>>>>> Loyaulte me Lie
>>
>>>>> Christine
>>
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>>>>
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>>
>> ------------------------------------
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Richard Liveth Yet!

Richard Plantagenet is a name used on Facebook by Joe Anne Ricca, head of the Richard the Third Foundation.


On 9 Dec 2012, at 20:27, liz williams wrote:

> I am on FB as are a few other people here- and I'm friends with Richard Plantaganet. Don't worry you'll be quite safe, no serial killing involved!
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Richard Yahoo <bandyoi@...>
> To: "" <>
> Sent: Sunday, 9 December 2012, 20:03
> Subject: Re: Re: You know you're a Ricardian when....
>
>
> Ooh, I sent a " friends" request to someone called Richard Plantagenet ! To a complete stranger who might be a serial killer for all I know! Talk about being obsessed with Richard......
> Unless its one of you!
> Who are on Facebook from here?
>
> Ishita Bandyo
> www.ishitabandyo.com
> www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
> www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
>
> On Dec 9, 2012, at 2:15 PM, liz williams <mailto:ferrymansdaughter%40btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm guessing it's Wilde
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: wednesday_mc <mailto:wednesday.mac%40gmail.com>
>> To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Sunday, 9 December 2012, 18:12
>> Subject: Re: You know you're a Ricardian when...
>>
>
>
>
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>
>
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>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Richard Liveth Yet!

My sentiments,exactly.
To:
From: paul.bale@...
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 10:03:05 +0000
Subject: Re: OT - Jesus (was RE: You know you're a Ricardian when....)


























No David not historians, as there is no evidence a man called Jesus ever lived. It is all a matter of faith.



On 9 Dec 2012, at 20:42, david rayner wrote:



> Most historians agree that Jesus was born about 6 or 7BC, and the Crucifiction was in 33AD, so 40 is the correct age.

>

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birth_of_Jesus#Date_of_birth

>

>

> It took people several days to die on the cross; the whole point of the method was that it was a slow, long death by strangulation. Jesus was up there for no more than 5 or 6 hours. You'll remember that the other men crucified had to have their legs broken so they'd suffocate - there's no indication this was done to Jesus.

> This was done so that the men wouldn't be on the cross during the Sabbath - against Jewish law - and shows that Pilate colluded to ensure the crucifictions were done on a Friday - the day before the Jewish Sabbath (Sunday is the day people worshiped - the Sun).

>

> Jesus was given a drug - hyssop, which can induce coma - while on the cross, and "breathed his last" immediately thereafter. The fact that the wound inflicted on him later by the Centurian "bled copiously" shows that Jesus's heart must still have been beating. Henvce, the miraculous recovery.

>

> ________________________________

> From: Johanne Tournier <jltournier60@...>

> To:

> Sent: Sunday, 9 December 2012, 20:06

> Subject: OT - Jesus (was RE: You know you're a Ricardian when....)

>

>

>

> There is no doubt that Jesus lived; we have more proof of his existence from

> near-contemporary accounts than we have for many ancient personages. You can

> say he didn't die on the cross, but the fact is that the disciples were

> disheartened and scattered - Peter denied Jesus, remember - until the

> resurrection. So something happened that caused the disciples to be willing

> to endure persecution and even martyrs' deaths.

>

> The accounts say that it was verified that he was dead when his body was

> taken down and placed in the tomb. And a guard was posted, to make sure the

> disciples didn't come and steal the body.

>

> BTW, there are non-Christian statements that Jesus was condemned and

> executed as a criminal by the Romans.

>

> The teachings and sayings of Jesus were carefully preserved and recorded, so

> regardless of whether you believe in the "mythos" of Jesus, you can at least

> believe in what he taught. For one thing, the Greatest Commandment. And for

> another thing, that he came not to replace the Law but to fulfill it.

>

> That's all - I really don't have time . . . as I mentioned before.

>

> Loyaulte me lie,

>

> Johanne

>

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>

> Johanne L. Tournier

>

> Email - jltournier60@...

>

> or jltournier@...

>

> "With God, all things are possible."

>

> - Jesus of Nazareth

>

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>

> From:

> [mailto:] On Behalf Of Richard Yahoo

> Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2012 3:57 PM

> To:

> Subject: Re: Re: You know you're a Ricardian

> when....

>

> Karen, why so? For all these years I have been thinking he did die on that

> cross....... Of course we are taking for granted he is a historical person(

> I like to think so)!

>

> Ishita Bandyo

> www.ishitabandyo.com

> www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts

> www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com

>

> On Dec 9, 2012, at 2:48 PM, Karen Raynor <karenraynor@...

> <mailto:karenraynor%40hotmail.co.uk> > wrote:

>

>>

>> I agree with the age,but as to the fact that he died on the cross? I have

> my doubts.....

>> To:

> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>

>> From: bandyoi@... <mailto:bandyoi%40yahoo.com>

>> Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2012 14:33:13 -0500

>> Subject: Re: Re: You know you're a Ricardian

> when....

>>

>>

>>

>>

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>>

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>>

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>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> David, just checked he was indeed 33 and die in the cross! Lets ask the

> expert... Johanne, that is:)

>>

>>

>>

>> Ishita Bandyo

>>

>> www.ishitabandyo.com

>>

>> www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts

>>

>> www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com

>>

>>

>>

>> On Dec 9, 2012, at 12:59 PM, david rayner <theblackprussian@...

> <mailto:theblackprussian%40yahoo.co.uk> > wrote:

>>

>>

>>

>>> Mmm, but Jesus was 40 at the Crucifiction, hardly a young man in the 1st

> century. And he didn't die on the cross anyway...

>>

>>

>>> ________________________________

>>

>>> From: Richard Yahoo <bandyoi@... <mailto:bandyoi%40yahoo.com> >

>>

>>> To: "

> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> "

> <

> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> >

>>

>>> Cc: "

> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> "

> <

> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> >

>>

>>> Sent: Sunday, 9 December 2012, 15:56

>>

>>> Subject: Re: Re: You know you're a Ricardian

> when....

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>> Yes. The injustice surely!

>>

>>> The tragic death of someone so young and brave is always heartbreaking.

> Look at how we feel about princess D. Or Marylyn Monroe! And for me mostly

> Jesus Christ.

>>

>>

>>> Ishita Bandyo

>>

>>> www.ishitabandyo.com

>>

>>> www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts

>>

>>> www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com

>>

>>

>>> On Dec 9, 2012, at 10:22 AM, liz williams

> <ferrymansdaughter@...

> <mailto:ferrymansdaughter%40btinternet.com> > wrote:

>>

>>

>>>> I think for me it's about the injustice of it all, pure and simple. I'm

> interested in the medieval era generally but I don't for example get as

> bothered about Henry II, Edward III etc as I do about Richard.

>>

>>

>>>> ________________________________

>>

>>>> From: Richard Yahoo <bandyoi@... <mailto:bandyoi%40yahoo.com> >

>>

>>>> To: "

> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> "

> <

> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> >

>>

>>>> Sent: Sunday, 9 December 2012, 13:26

>>

>>>> Subject: Re: Re: You know you're a Ricardian

> when....

>>

>>

>>

>>>> Do you guys ever wonder why we feel the way we do about R3? I am having

> trouble explains my feelings to myself. Never been obsessed by someone like

> this before........:/

>>

>>

>>>> Ishita Bandyo

>>

>>>> www.ishitabandyo.com

>>

>>>> www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts

>>

>>>> www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com

>>

>>

>>>> On Dec 9, 2012, at 4:22 AM, C HOLMES

> <mailto:christineholmes651%40btinternet.com> wrote:

>>

>>

>>>>> Hi, I was 12 years old when I saw Olivier as Richard and thought this

> man is interesting. I read all I could find and just new Richard was not

> what some made him out to be.

>>

>>>>> Richard has been with me ever since, God Bless him. I would never

> desert him.

>>

>>>>> Loyaulte me Lie

>>

>>>>> Christine

>>

>>

>>>>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>>>

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>>

>> Yahoo! Groups Links

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> ------------------------------------

>

> Yahoo! Groups Links

>

>

>



Richard Liveth Yet!

Well personally I agree with you, but sometimes we have to try to meet our faith holding friends half way.

http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/




________________________________
From: Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@...>
To:
Sent: Monday, 10 December 2012, 10:03
Subject: Re: OT - Jesus (was RE: You know you're a Ricardian when....)


 
No David not historians, as there is no evidence a man called Jesus ever lived. It is all a matter of faith.

On 9 Dec 2012, at 20:42, david rayner wrote:

> Most historians agree that Jesus was born about 6 or 7BC, and the Crucifiction was in 33AD, so 40 is the correct age.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birth_of_Jesus#Date_of_birth
>
>
> It took people several days to die on the cross; the whole point of the method was that it was a slow, long death by strangulation. Jesus was up there for no more than 5 or 6 hours. You'll remember that the other men crucified had to have their legs broken so they'd suffocate - there's no indication this was done to Jesus.
> This was done so that the men wouldn't be on the cross during the Sabbath - against Jewish law - and shows that Pilate colluded to ensure the crucifictions were done on a Friday - the day before the Jewish Sabbath (Sunday is the day people worshiped - the Sun).
>
> Jesus was given a drug - hyssop, which can induce coma - while on the cross, and "breathed his last" immediately thereafter. The fact that the wound inflicted on him later by the Centurian "bled copiously" shows that Jesus's heart must still have been beating. Henvce, the miraculous recovery.
>
> ________________________________
> From: Johanne Tournier <jltournier60@...>
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, 9 December 2012, 20:06
> Subject: OT - Jesus (was RE: You know you're a Ricardian when....)
>
>
>
> There is no doubt that Jesus lived; we have more proof of his existence from
> near-contemporary accounts than we have for many ancient personages. You can
> say he didn't die on the cross, but the fact is that the disciples were
> disheartened and scattered - Peter denied Jesus, remember - until the
> resurrection. So something happened that caused the disciples to be willing
> to endure persecution and even martyrs' deaths.
>
> The accounts say that it was verified that he was dead when his body was
> taken down and placed in the tomb. And a guard was posted, to make sure the
> disciples didn't come and steal the body.
>
> BTW, there are non-Christian statements that Jesus was condemned and
> executed as a criminal by the Romans.
>
> The teachings and sayings of Jesus were carefully preserved and recorded, so
> regardless of whether you believe in the "mythos" of Jesus, you can at least
> believe in what he taught. For one thing, the Greatest Commandment. And for
> another thing, that he came not to replace the Law but to fulfill it.
>
> That's all - I really don't have time . . . as I mentioned before.
>
> Loyaulte me lie,
>
> Johanne
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Johanne L. Tournier
>
> Email - jltournier60@...
>
> or jltournier@...
>
> "With God, all things are possible."
>
> - Jesus of Nazareth
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> From:
> [mailto:] On Behalf Of Richard Yahoo
> Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2012 3:57 PM
> To:
> Subject: Re: Re: You know you're a Ricardian
> when....
>
> Karen, why so? For all these years I have been thinking he did die on that
> cross....... Of course we are taking for granted he is a historical person(
> I like to think so)!
>
> Ishita Bandyo
> www.ishitabandyo.com
> www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
> www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
>
> On Dec 9, 2012, at 2:48 PM, Karen Raynor <karenraynor@...
> <mailto:karenraynor%40hotmail.co.uk> > wrote:
>
>>
>> I agree with the age,but as to the fact that he died on the cross? I have
> my doubts.....
>> To:
> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
>> From: bandyoi@... <mailto:bandyoi%40yahoo.com>
>> Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2012 14:33:13 -0500
>> Subject: Re: Re: You know you're a Ricardian
> when....
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> David, just checked he was indeed 33 and die in the cross! Lets ask the
> expert... Johanne, that is:)
>>
>>
>>
>> Ishita Bandyo
>>
>> www.ishitabandyo.com
>>
>> www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
>>
>> www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 9, 2012, at 12:59 PM, david rayner <theblackprussian@...
> <mailto:theblackprussian%40yahoo.co.uk> > wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Mmm, but Jesus was 40 at the Crucifiction, hardly a young man in the 1st
> century. And he didn't die on the cross anyway...
>>
>>
>>> ________________________________
>>
>>> From: Richard Yahoo <bandyoi@... <mailto:bandyoi%40yahoo.com> >
>>
>>> To: "
> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> "
> <
> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> >
>>
>>> Cc: "
> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> "
> <
> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> >
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>>> Sent: Sunday, 9 December 2012, 15:56
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>>> Subject: Re: Re: You know you're a Ricardian
> when....
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>>> Yes. The injustice surely!
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>>> The tragic death of someone so young and brave is always heartbreaking.
> Look at how we feel about princess D. Or Marylyn Monroe! And for me mostly
> Jesus Christ.
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>>> Ishita Bandyo
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>>> www.ishitabandyo.com
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>>> On Dec 9, 2012, at 10:22 AM, liz williams
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>>>> I think for me it's about the injustice of it all, pure and simple. I'm
> interested in the medieval era generally but I don't for example get as
> bothered about Henry II, Edward III etc as I do about Richard.
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>>>> From: Richard Yahoo <bandyoi@... <mailto:bandyoi%40yahoo.com> >
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>>>> To: "
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>>>> Sent: Sunday, 9 December 2012, 13:26
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>>>> Subject: Re: Re: You know you're a Ricardian
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>>>> Do you guys ever wonder why we feel the way we do about R3? I am having
> trouble explains my feelings to myself. Never been obsessed by someone like
> this before........:/
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>>>> Ishita Bandyo
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>>>> www.ishitabandyo.com
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>>>> www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
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>>>> www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
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>>>> On Dec 9, 2012, at 4:22 AM, C HOLMES
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>>>>> Hi, I was 12 years old when I saw Olivier as Richard and thought this
> man is interesting. I read all I could find and just new Richard was not
> what some made him out to be.
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>>>>> Richard has been with me ever since, God Bless him. I would never
> desert him.
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