Some people...

What do private collections hold on this period? Of those who fought
at Bosworth, the Howard and Percy families still hold privilege, as do
the Stanley's. What lies in their archives? A maternal family member
of mine married a sprig of that descent! No, this DOESN'T make me
biased! The Royal Archive including the Plantagenet and Tudor periods
may not be as open as we would wish. The De Vere's are extinct in
male descent, I believe.

I wonder where Norfolk and Northumberland were buried after 1485?

What annoys me about some Ricardians is that they try to make out that
Richard was a type of St. George, unlike his ambitious brothers &
Father. What annoys them is the fact that the dragon won at Bosworth:
the Red Dragon of Wales!

S'Mae Cymru!

--- In , "David"
<willison2001@y...> wrote:
> What do private collections hold on this period? Of those who
fought
> at Bosworth, the Howard and Percy families still hold privilege, as
do
> the Stanley's. What lies in their archives? A maternal family
member
> of mine married a sprig of that descent! No, this DOESN'T make me
> biased! The Royal Archive including the Plantagenet and Tudor
periods
> may not be as open as we would wish. The De Vere's are extinct in
> male descent, I believe.
>
> I wonder where Norfolk and Northumberland were buried after 1485?
>
> What annoys me about some Ricardians is that they try to make out
that
> Richard was a type of St. George, unlike his ambitious brothers &
> Father. What annoys them is the fact that the dragon won at
Bosworth:
> the Red Dragon of Wales!
>
> S'Mae Cymru!

Oh, so this is your latest explanation, is it, David? Wrong again.
Speaking for myself, my ancestors in the male line came to Ireland
from Wales with Strongbow, and another branch of my family moved to
Wales in the 19th century, naming their first child born
there 'Owen'. I adore the Welsh language and started to learn it in a
sort of offhand way at the age of 17. Never got any good at it, but I
have no problem with Y Ddraig Goch as an emblem myself. I don't think
anyone with any knowledge of the period any longer believes that the
Tudor victory did anything in the long run other than tie Wales more
closely under English authority.
By the by, thanks, Lorraine, for sticking up for me. I didn't expect
I'd get an apology. I have actually found you offensive in the past,
David, but that was beyond the limit. So this will be the last
response I shall give to any of your messages.
Marie

You're welcome, Marie.

For the benefit of other colleagues who may be wondering where
Northumberland is buried, I believe he's in Beverley Minster
alongside some of his relatives. Some of the earlier Percies are
buried in Newcastle Cathedral. I've forgotten where Howard was
buried. It could've been in at one of his properties, Tendring or
Stoke on Nayland, but I'm not entirely sure.

Lorraine