Some off-topic - Barbados and friars and Jeremy Potter - oh my! (was

Hi, Maire!
Yes Barbados really is wonderful. I'm staying at the Almond Casuarina Beach Resort in St Lawrence Gap. Arthur and I stayed here in 1989, the last time we were here. It was nice then - it's about twice as big and even nicer now. And it's all-inclusive, the first all-inclusive hotel I've ever stayed in. And the food and drinks are great! I discovered a drink rum, pineapple juice, banana liqueur and a splash of Grenadine - it's called a Bahama Mama, and I call it yummy!
Yes that is a romantic thought that the friars would have left a memento with the body. Perhaps! All will soon be revealed! I hope!
Speaking of friars I am currently reading *A Trail of Blood* by Jeremy Potter, author of *Good King Richard?*. The protagonist is a monk at Croyland, the archivist during the reign of Fat Hal, who is tasked by his abbot with conducting an investigation. It reminded me in the beginning of *The Name of the Rose* except that rather than being immured at Croyland, Brother Thomas has been traveling hither, thither and yon, including the Tower, Bermondsey, Stoke and Lincoln. Very interesting and a gripping yarn.
Loyaulte me lie,
Johanne

-----Original Message-----

From: mairemulholland
Sent: 15 Dec 2012 23:17:31 GMT
To:
Subject: Re: RICHARD... - Official Statement of the University of Leicester

Hi, Johanne! My thought when I read the comment section of the Daily Mail was that the monks of Greyfriars may have buried him with a symbol of his reign - not totally unlike the final scene in "We Speak No Treason." But then I'm a romantic by nature and would love that that were true. Hope you're enjoying Barbados! Maire.

--- In , Johanne Tournier <jltournier60@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for posting the link to the official press release, Renate. Of course as I read the info in the DM and Telegraph and this press release, it is still possible that some significant personal article was found with him. Personally, tho I would love to see such a precious artifact, I doubt that the rumour is true, as we have always heard that the body was despoiled and that it was brought into Leicester completely nude. Therefore it's highly unlikely that any item of intrinsic worth would have been left with the body - unless the brothers might have left it with the body for the specific purpose of aiding in identification in time to come. That would be a wonderful thought.
> Loyaulte me lie,
> Johanne
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: walkerjaneway
> Sent: 15 Dec 2012 21:22:41 GMT
> To:
> Subject: Re: RICHARD... - Official Statement of the University of Leicester
>
> I like how fast the UoL responds with this statement to various rather confusing articles like the one from dailymail.
>
> Official Statement of the University of Leicester:
> http://www2.le.ac.uk/news/blog/2012/december/statement
>
> Renate
>
>
> --- In , "EileenB" <cherryripe.eileenb@> wrote:
> >
> > Just read in the Daily Mail online that the remains have been identified as Richard's but they are not announcing it until the documentary is aired on Channel 4 TV. Eileen
> >
>
>
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>

It must be wonderful to be in the sun with a Bahama Mama. We just lost power for about 4 hours - in the cold. We're still suffering from the effects of Hurricane Sandy. Thanks for recommending A Trail of Blood - I've been meaning to order it. I just found an inexpensive copy of Annette Carson's book. Phew! That was hard to track down. Can't wait to get it.

Now to order my Richard the III coffee mug! Who'da thunk it in our lifetime? Maire.

--- In , Johanne Tournier <jltournier60@...> wrote:
>
> Hi, Maire!
> Yes Barbados really is wonderful. I'm staying at the Almond Casuarina Beach Resort in St Lawrence Gap. Arthur and I stayed here in 1989, the last time we were here. It was nice then - it's about twice as big and even nicer now. And it's all-inclusive, the first all-inclusive hotel I've ever stayed in. And the food and drinks are great! I discovered a drink rum, pineapple juice, banana liqueur and a splash of Grenadine - it's called a Bahama Mama, and I call it yummy!
> Yes that is a romantic thought that the friars would have left a memento with the body. Perhaps! All will soon be revealed! I hope!
> Speaking of friars I am currently reading *A Trail of Blood* by Jeremy Potter, author of *Good King Richard?*. The protagonist is a monk at Croyland, the archivist during the reign of Fat Hal, who is tasked by his abbot with conducting an investigation. It reminded me in the beginning of *The Name of the Rose* except that rather than being immured at Croyland, Brother Thomas has been traveling hither, thither and yon, including the Tower, Bermondsey, Stoke and Lincoln. Very interesting and a gripping yarn.
> Loyaulte me lie,
> Johanne
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: mairemulholland
> Sent: 15 Dec 2012 23:17:31 GMT
> To:
> Subject: Re: RICHARD... - Official Statement of the University of Leicester
>
> Hi, Johanne! My thought when I read the comment section of the Daily Mail was that the monks of Greyfriars may have buried him with a symbol of his reign - not totally unlike the final scene in "We Speak No Treason." But then I'm a romantic by nature and would love that that were true. Hope you're enjoying Barbados! Maire.
>
> --- In , Johanne Tournier <jltournier60@> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for posting the link to the official press release, Renate. Of course as I read the info in the DM and Telegraph and this press release, it is still possible that some significant personal article was found with him. Personally, tho I would love to see such a precious artifact, I doubt that the rumour is true, as we have always heard that the body was despoiled and that it was brought into Leicester completely nude. Therefore it's highly unlikely that any item of intrinsic worth would have been left with the body - unless the brothers might have left it with the body for the specific purpose of aiding in identification in time to come. That would be a wonderful thought.
> > Loyaulte me lie,
> > Johanne
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >
> > From: walkerjaneway
> > Sent: 15 Dec 2012 21:22:41 GMT
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: RICHARD... - Official Statement of the University of Leicester
> >
> > I like how fast the UoL responds with this statement to various rather confusing articles like the one from dailymail.
> >
> > Official Statement of the University of Leicester:
> > http://www2.le.ac.uk/news/blog/2012/december/statement
> >
> > Renate
> >
> >
> > --- In , "EileenB" <cherryripe.eileenb@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Just read in the Daily Mail online that the remains have been identified as Richard's but they are not announcing it until the documentary is aired on Channel 4 TV. Eileen
> > >
> >
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> >
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Of course the Christian thing to do would be to holiday in Soweto and donate the difference to the poor.

Unless you're a Marxist of course; I believe that Lenin considered there to be no harm in luxury so long as the working class was the beneficiary.

Sláinte!!!

--- In , Johanne Tournier <jltournier60@...> wrote:
>
> Hi, Maire!
> Yes Barbados really is wonderful. I'm staying at the Almond Casuarina Beach Resort in St Lawrence Gap. Arthur and I stayed here in 1989, the last time we were here. It was nice then - it's about twice as big and even nicer now. And it's all-inclusive, the first all-inclusive hotel I've ever stayed in. And the food and drinks are great! I discovered a drink rum, pineapple juice, banana liqueur and a splash of Grenadine - it's called a Bahama Mama, and I call it yummy!
> Yes that is a romantic thought that the friars would have left a memento with the body. Perhaps! All will soon be revealed! I hope!
> Speaking of friars I am currently reading *A Trail of Blood* by Jeremy Potter, author of *Good King Richard?*. The protagonist is a monk at Croyland, the archivist during the reign of Fat Hal, who is tasked by his abbot with conducting an investigation. It reminded me in the beginning of *The Name of the Rose* except that rather than being immured at Croyland, Brother Thomas has been traveling hither, thither and yon, including the Tower, Bermondsey, Stoke and Lincoln. Very interesting and a gripping yarn.
> Loyaulte me lie,
> Johanne
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: mairemulholland
> Sent: 15 Dec 2012 23:17:31 GMT
> To:
> Subject: Re: RICHARD... - Official Statement of the University of Leicester
>
> Hi, Johanne! My thought when I read the comment section of the Daily Mail was that the monks of Greyfriars may have buried him with a symbol of his reign - not totally unlike the final scene in "We Speak No Treason." But then I'm a romantic by nature and would love that that were true. Hope you're enjoying Barbados! Maire.
>
> --- In , Johanne Tournier <jltournier60@> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for posting the link to the official press release, Renate. Of course as I read the info in the DM and Telegraph and this press release, it is still possible that some significant personal article was found with him. Personally, tho I would love to see such a precious artifact, I doubt that the rumour is true, as we have always heard that the body was despoiled and that it was brought into Leicester completely nude. Therefore it's highly unlikely that any item of intrinsic worth would have been left with the body - unless the brothers might have left it with the body for the specific purpose of aiding in identification in time to come. That would be a wonderful thought.
> > Loyaulte me lie,
> > Johanne
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >
> > From: walkerjaneway
> > Sent: 15 Dec 2012 21:22:41 GMT
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: RICHARD... - Official Statement of the University of Leicester
> >
> > I like how fast the UoL responds with this statement to various rather confusing articles like the one from dailymail.
> >
> > Official Statement of the University of Leicester:
> > http://www2.le.ac.uk/news/blog/2012/december/statement
> >
> > Renate
> >
> >
> > --- In , "EileenB" <cherryripe.eileenb@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Just read in the Daily Mail online that the remains have been identified as Richard's but they are not announcing it until the documentary is aired on Channel 4 TV. Eileen
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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>

Hi -
I wish I had an amusing response ... I guess the quickest and easiest is to simply say I have never held myself out as a good Christian. The second thing is to note that Jesus "came eating and drinking" (in contrast to John the Baptist) and they said he was "a glutton and a drunkard" (Jesus' words). Thirdly you know virtually nothing about me, and I would say it's easy to be a hypocrite when one is hiding behind a shield of anonymity. And lastly there are many poor in places besides Soweto. Going there IMHO would smack of liberal condescension and making a public show - "Look how good I am, I'm going to Soweto!" Hypocrisy again.
TTFN (smile)
Loyaulte me lie,
Johanne


-----Original Message-----

From: blancsanglier1452
Sent: 16 Dec 2012 18:29:59 GMT
To:
Subject: Some off-topic - Barbados and friars and Jeremy Potter - oh my! (was Re: RICHARD... - Official Statement of the University of Leicester

Of course the Christian thing to do would be to holiday in Soweto and donate the difference to the poor.

Unless you're a Marxist of course; I believe that Lenin considered there to be no harm in luxury so long as the working class was the beneficiary.

Sláinte!!!

--- In , Johanne Tournier <jltournier60@...> wrote:
>
> Hi, Maire!
> Yes Barbados really is wonderful. I'm staying at the Almond Casuarina Beach Resort in St Lawrence Gap. Arthur and I stayed here in 1989, the last time we were here. It was nice then - it's about twice as big and even nicer now. And it's all-inclusive, the first all-inclusive hotel I've ever stayed in. And the food and drinks are great! I discovered a drink rum, pineapple juice, banana liqueur and a splash of Grenadine - it's called a Bahama Mama, and I call it yummy!
> Yes that is a romantic thought that the friars would have left a memento with the body. Perhaps! All will soon be revealed! I hope!
> Speaking of friars I am currently reading *A Trail of Blood* by Jeremy Potter, author of *Good King Richard?*. The protagonist is a monk at Croyland, the archivist during the reign of Fat Hal, who is tasked by his abbot with conducting an investigation. It reminded me in the beginning of *The Name of the Rose* except that rather than being immured at Croyland, Brother Thomas has been traveling hither, thither and yon, including the Tower, Bermondsey, Stoke and Lincoln. Very interesting and a gripping yarn.
> Loyaulte me lie,
> Johanne
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: mairemulholland
> Sent: 15 Dec 2012 23:17:31 GMT
> To:
> Subject: Re: RICHARD... - Official Statement of the University of Leicester
>
> Hi, Johanne! My thought when I read the comment section of the Daily Mail was that the monks of Greyfriars may have buried him with a symbol of his reign - not totally unlike the final scene in "We Speak No Treason." But then I'm a romantic by nature and would love that that were true. Hope you're enjoying Barbados! Maire.
>
> --- In , Johanne Tournier <jltournier60@> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for posting the link to the official press release, Renate. Of course as I read the info in the DM and Telegraph and this press release, it is still possible that some significant personal article was found with him. Personally, tho I would love to see such a precious artifact, I doubt that the rumour is true, as we have always heard that the body was despoiled and that it was brought into Leicester completely nude. Therefore it's highly unlikely that any item of intrinsic worth would have been left with the body - unless the brothers might have left it with the body for the specific purpose of aiding in identification in time to come. That would be a wonderful thought.
> > Loyaulte me lie,
> > Johanne
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >
> > From: walkerjaneway
> > Sent: 15 Dec 2012 21:22:41 GMT
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: RICHARD... - Official Statement of the University of Leicester
> >
> > I like how fast the UoL responds with this statement to various rather confusing articles like the one from dailymail.
> >
> > Official Statement of the University of Leicester:
> > http://www2.le.ac.uk/news/blog/2012/december/statement
> >
> > Renate
> >
> >
> > --- In , "EileenB" <cherryripe.eileenb@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Just read in the Daily Mail online that the remains have been identified as Richard's but they are not announcing it until the documentary is aired on Channel 4 TV. Eileen
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>

I don't say much in any groups, but this is a pervasive problem in
too many of them. Please drop the liberal bashing at once. It is not at
home on a list such as this. Thank you.

Linda
--- In , Johanne Tournier
<jltournier60@...> wrote:
>
> Hi -
> I wish I had an amusing response ... I guess the quickest and easiest
is to simply say I have never held myself out as a good Christian. The
second thing is to note that Jesus "came eating and drinking" (in
contrast to John the Baptist) and they said he was "a glutton and a
drunkard" (Jesus' words). Thirdly you know virtually nothing about me,
and I would say it's easy to be a hypocrite when one is hiding behind a
shield of anonymity. And lastly there are many poor in places besides
Soweto. Going there IMHO would smack of liberal condescension and making
a public show - "Look how good I am, I'm going to Soweto!" Hypocrisy
again.
> TTFN (smile)
> Loyaulte me lie,
> Johanne
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: blancsanglier1452
> Sent: 16 Dec 2012 18:29:59 GMT
> To:
> Subject: Some off-topic - Barbados and
friars and Jeremy Potter - oh my! (was Re: RICHARD... - Official
Statement of the University of Leicester
>
> Of course the Christian thing to do would be to holiday in Soweto and
donate the difference to the poor.
>
> Unless you're a Marxist of course; I believe that Lenin considered
there to be no harm in luxury so long as the working class was the
beneficiary.
>
> Sláinte!!!
>
> --- In , Johanne Tournier
jltournier60@ wrote:
> >
> > Hi, Maire!
> > Yes Barbados really is wonderful. I'm staying at the Almond
Casuarina Beach Resort in St Lawrence Gap. Arthur and I stayed here in
1989, the last time we were here. It was nice then - it's about twice as
big and even nicer now. And it's all-inclusive, the first all-inclusive
hotel I've ever stayed in. And the food and drinks are great! I
discovered a drink rum, pineapple juice, banana liqueur and a splash of
Grenadine - it's called a Bahama Mama, and I call it yummy!
> > Yes that is a romantic thought that the friars would have left a
memento with the body. Perhaps! All will soon be revealed! I hope!
> > Speaking of friars I am currently reading *A Trail of Blood* by
Jeremy Potter, author of *Good King Richard?*. The protagonist is a monk
at Croyland, the archivist during the reign of Fat Hal, who is tasked by
his abbot with conducting an investigation. It reminded me in the
beginning of *The Name of the Rose* except that rather than being
immured at Croyland, Brother Thomas has been traveling hither, thither
and yon, including the Tower, Bermondsey, Stoke and Lincoln. Very
interesting and a gripping yarn.
> > Loyaulte me lie,
> > Johanne
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >
> > From: mairemulholland
> > Sent: 15 Dec 2012 23:17:31 GMT
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: RICHARD... - Official
Statement of the University of Leicester
> >
> > Hi, Johanne! My thought when I read the comment section of the
Daily Mail was that the monks of Greyfriars may have buried him with a
symbol of his reign - not totally unlike the final scene in "We Speak No
Treason." But then I'm a romantic by nature and would love that that
were true. Hope you're enjoying Barbados! Maire.
> >
> > --- In , Johanne Tournier
<jltournier60@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks for posting the link to the official press release, Renate.
Of course as I read the info in the DM and Telegraph and this press
release, it is still possible that some significant personal article
was found with him. Personally, tho I would love to see such a precious
artifact, I doubt that the rumour is true, as we have always heard that
the body was despoiled and that it was brought into Leicester completely
nude. Therefore it's highly unlikely that any item of intrinsic worth
would have been left with the body - unless the brothers might have left
it with the body for the specific purpose of aiding in identification in
time to come. That would be a wonderful thought.
> > > Loyaulte me lie,
> > > Johanne
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > >
> > > From: walkerjaneway
> > > Sent: 15 Dec 2012 21:22:41 GMT
> > > To:
> > > Subject: Re: RICHARD... - Official
Statement of the University of Leicester
> > >
> > > I like how fast the UoL responds with this statement to various
rather confusing articles like the one from dailymail.
> > >
> > > Official Statement of the University of Leicester:
> > > http://www2.le.ac.uk/news/blog/2012/december/statement
> > >
> > > Renate
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In , "EileenB"
<cherryripe.eileenb@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Just read in the Daily Mail online that the remains have been
identified as Richard's but they are not announcing it until the
documentary is aired on Channel 4 TV. Eileen
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>

I think Johanne's original response was to me after I jokingly expressed jealousy that she was in Barbados. That, for some reason, made another poster respond by talking about Marxism and Soweto. A tad bit "off topic," I think. Maire.
--- In , "asphodellynwormwood" <asphodellynwormwood@...> wrote:
>
> I don't say much in any groups, but this is a pervasive problem in
> too many of them. Please drop the liberal bashing at once. It is not at
> home on a list such as this. Thank you.
>
> Linda
> --- In , Johanne Tournier
> <jltournier60@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi -
> > I wish I had an amusing response ... I guess the quickest and easiest
> is to simply say I have never held myself out as a good Christian. The
> second thing is to note that Jesus "came eating and drinking" (in
> contrast to John the Baptist) and they said he was "a glutton and a
> drunkard" (Jesus' words). Thirdly you know virtually nothing about me,
> and I would say it's easy to be a hypocrite when one is hiding behind a
> shield of anonymity. And lastly there are many poor in places besides
> Soweto. Going there IMHO would smack of liberal condescension and making
> a public show - "Look how good I am, I'm going to Soweto!" Hypocrisy
> again.
> > TTFN (smile)
> > Loyaulte me lie,
> > Johanne
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >
> > From: blancsanglier1452
> > Sent: 16 Dec 2012 18:29:59 GMT
> > To:
> > Subject: Some off-topic - Barbados and
> friars and Jeremy Potter - oh my! (was Re: RICHARD... - Official
> Statement of the University of Leicester
> >
> > Of course the Christian thing to do would be to holiday in Soweto and
> donate the difference to the poor.
> >
> > Unless you're a Marxist of course; I believe that Lenin considered
> there to be no harm in luxury so long as the working class was the
> beneficiary.
> >
> > Sláinte!!!
> >
> > --- In , Johanne Tournier
> jltournier60@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi, Maire!
> > > Yes Barbados really is wonderful. I'm staying at the Almond
> Casuarina Beach Resort in St Lawrence Gap. Arthur and I stayed here in
> 1989, the last time we were here. It was nice then - it's about twice as
> big and even nicer now. And it's all-inclusive, the first all-inclusive
> hotel I've ever stayed in. And the food and drinks are great! I
> discovered a drink rum, pineapple juice, banana liqueur and a splash of
> Grenadine - it's called a Bahama Mama, and I call it yummy!
> > > Yes that is a romantic thought that the friars would have left a
> memento with the body. Perhaps! All will soon be revealed! I hope!
> > > Speaking of friars I am currently reading *A Trail of Blood* by
> Jeremy Potter, author of *Good King Richard?*. The protagonist is a monk
> at Croyland, the archivist during the reign of Fat Hal, who is tasked by
> his abbot with conducting an investigation. It reminded me in the
> beginning of *The Name of the Rose* except that rather than being
> immured at Croyland, Brother Thomas has been traveling hither, thither
> and yon, including the Tower, Bermondsey, Stoke and Lincoln. Very
> interesting and a gripping yarn.
> > > Loyaulte me lie,
> > > Johanne
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > >
> > > From: mairemulholland
> > > Sent: 15 Dec 2012 23:17:31 GMT
> > > To:
> > > Subject: Re: RICHARD... - Official
> Statement of the University of Leicester
> > >
> > > Hi, Johanne! My thought when I read the comment section of the
> Daily Mail was that the monks of Greyfriars may have buried him with a
> symbol of his reign - not totally unlike the final scene in "We Speak No
> Treason." But then I'm a romantic by nature and would love that that
> were true. Hope you're enjoying Barbados! Maire.
> > >
> > > --- In , Johanne Tournier
> <jltournier60@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for posting the link to the official press release, Renate.
> Of course as I read the info in the DM and Telegraph and this press
> release, it is still possible that some significant personal article
> was found with him. Personally, tho I would love to see such a precious
> artifact, I doubt that the rumour is true, as we have always heard that
> the body was despoiled and that it was brought into Leicester completely
> nude. Therefore it's highly unlikely that any item of intrinsic worth
> would have been left with the body - unless the brothers might have left
> it with the body for the specific purpose of aiding in identification in
> time to come. That would be a wonderful thought.
> > > > Loyaulte me lie,
> > > > Johanne
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > >
> > > > From: walkerjaneway
> > > > Sent: 15 Dec 2012 21:22:41 GMT
> > > > To:
> > > > Subject: Re: RICHARD... - Official
> Statement of the University of Leicester
> > > >
> > > > I like how fast the UoL responds with this statement to various
> rather confusing articles like the one from dailymail.
> > > >
> > > > Official Statement of the University of Leicester:
> > > > http://www2.le.ac.uk/news/blog/2012/december/statement
> > > >
> > > > Renate
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In , "EileenB"
> <cherryripe.eileenb@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Just read in the Daily Mail online that the remains have been
> identified as Richard's but they are not announcing it until the
> documentary is aired on Channel 4 TV. Eileen
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> >
> >
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Hi, Maire -
Yes and thanks! As a liberal myself, I was not intending to be liberal-bashing. Just hypocrite-bashing. LOL!
I would rather discuss Richard! Bear with me, maybe I can think of a new thread!
TTFN (smile)
Loyaulte me lie,
Johanne

-----Original Message-----

From: mairemulholland
Sent: 17 Dec 2012 17:26:11 GMT
To:
Subject: Some off-topic - Barbados and friars and Jeremy Potter - oh my! (was Re: RICHARD... - Official Statement of the University of Leicester


I think Johanne's original response was to me after I jokingly expressed jealousy that she was in Barbados. That, for some reason, made another poster respond by talking about Marxism and Soweto. A tad bit "off topic," I think. Maire.
--- In , "asphodellynwormwood" <asphodellynwormwood@...> wrote:
>
> I don't say much in any groups, but this is a pervasive problem in
> too many of them. Please drop the liberal bashing at once. It is not at
> home on a list such as this. Thank you.
>
> Linda
> --- In , Johanne Tournier
> <jltournier60@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi -
> > I wish I had an amusing response ... I guess the quickest and easiest
> is to simply say I have never held myself out as a good Christian. The
> second thing is to note that Jesus "came eating and drinking" (in
> contrast to John the Baptist) and they said he was "a glutton and a
> drunkard" (Jesus' words). Thirdly you know virtually nothing about me,
> and I would say it's easy to be a hypocrite when one is hiding behind a
> shield of anonymity. And lastly there are many poor in places besides
> Soweto. Going there IMHO would smack of liberal condescension and making
> a public show - "Look how good I am, I'm going to Soweto!" Hypocrisy
> again.
> > TTFN (smile)
> > Loyaulte me lie,
> > Johanne
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >
> > From: blancsanglier1452
> > Sent: 16 Dec 2012 18:29:59 GMT
> > To:
> > Subject: Some off-topic - Barbados and
> friars and Jeremy Potter - oh my! (was Re: RICHARD... - Official
> Statement of the University of Leicester
> >
> > Of course the Christian thing to do would be to holiday in Soweto and
> donate the difference to the poor.
> >
> > Unless you're a Marxist of course; I believe that Lenin considered
> there to be no harm in luxury so long as the working class was the
> beneficiary.
> >
> > Sláinte!!!
> >
> > --- In , Johanne Tournier
> jltournier60@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi, Maire!
> > > Yes Barbados really is wonderful. I'm staying at the Almond
> Casuarina Beach Resort in St Lawrence Gap. Arthur and I stayed here in
> 1989, the last time we were here. It was nice then - it's about twice as
> big and even nicer now. And it's all-inclusive, the first all-inclusive
> hotel I've ever stayed in. And the food and drinks are great! I
> discovered a drink rum, pineapple juice, banana liqueur and a splash of
> Grenadine - it's called a Bahama Mama, and I call it yummy!
> > > Yes that is a romantic thought that the friars would have left a
> memento with the body. Perhaps! All will soon be revealed! I hope!
> > > Speaking of friars I am currently reading *A Trail of Blood* by
> Jeremy Potter, author of *Good King Richard?*. The protagonist is a monk
> at Croyland, the archivist during the reign of Fat Hal, who is tasked by
> his abbot with conducting an investigation. It reminded me in the
> beginning of *The Name of the Rose* except that rather than being
> immured at Croyland, Brother Thomas has been traveling hither, thither
> and yon, including the Tower, Bermondsey, Stoke and Lincoln. Very
> interesting and a gripping yarn.
> > > Loyaulte me lie,
> > > Johanne
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > >
> > > From: mairemulholland
> > > Sent: 15 Dec 2012 23:17:31 GMT
> > > To:
> > > Subject: Re: RICHARD... - Official
> Statement of the University of Leicester
> > >
> > > Hi, Johanne! My thought when I read the comment section of the
> Daily Mail was that the monks of Greyfriars may have buried him with a
> symbol of his reign - not totally unlike the final scene in "We Speak No
> Treason." But then I'm a romantic by nature and would love that that
> were true. Hope you're enjoying Barbados! Maire.
> > >
> > > --- In , Johanne Tournier
> <jltournier60@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for posting the link to the official press release, Renate.
> Of course as I read the info in the DM and Telegraph and this press
> release, it is still possible that some significant personal article
> was found with him. Personally, tho I would love to see such a precious
> artifact, I doubt that the rumour is true, as we have always heard that
> the body was despoiled and that it was brought into Leicester completely
> nude. Therefore it's highly unlikely that any item of intrinsic worth
> would have been left with the body - unless the brothers might have left
> it with the body for the specific purpose of aiding in identification in
> time to come. That would be a wonderful thought.
> > > > Loyaulte me lie,
> > > > Johanne
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > >
> > > > From: walkerjaneway
> > > > Sent: 15 Dec 2012 21:22:41 GMT
> > > > To:
> > > > Subject: Re: RICHARD... - Official
> Statement of the University of Leicester
> > > >
> > > > I like how fast the UoL responds with this statement to various
> rather confusing articles like the one from dailymail.
> > > >
> > > > Official Statement of the University of Leicester:
> > > > http://www2.le.ac.uk/news/blog/2012/december/statement
> > > >
> > > > Renate
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In , "EileenB"
> <cherryripe.eileenb@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Just read in the Daily Mail online that the remains have been
> identified as Richard's but they are not announcing it until the
> documentary is aired on Channel 4 TV. Eileen
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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Enjoy the remainder of your vacation! Maire.

--- In , Johanne Tournier <jltournier60@...> wrote:
>
> Hi, Maire -
> Yes and thanks! As a liberal myself, I was not intending to be liberal-bashing. Just hypocrite-bashing. LOL!
> I would rather discuss Richard! Bear with me, maybe I can think of a new thread!
> TTFN (smile)
> Loyaulte me lie,
> Johanne
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: mairemulholland
> Sent: 17 Dec 2012 17:26:11 GMT
> To:
> Subject: Some off-topic - Barbados and friars and Jeremy Potter - oh my! (was Re: RICHARD... - Official Statement of the University of Leicester
>
>
> I think Johanne's original response was to me after I jokingly expressed jealousy that she was in Barbados. That, for some reason, made another poster respond by talking about Marxism and Soweto. A tad bit "off topic," I think. Maire.
> --- In , "asphodellynwormwood" <asphodellynwormwood@> wrote:
> >
> > I don't say much in any groups, but this is a pervasive problem in
> > too many of them. Please drop the liberal bashing at once. It is not at
> > home on a list such as this. Thank you.
> >
> > Linda
> > --- In , Johanne Tournier
> > <jltournier60@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi -
> > > I wish I had an amusing response ... I guess the quickest and easiest
> > is to simply say I have never held myself out as a good Christian. The
> > second thing is to note that Jesus "came eating and drinking" (in
> > contrast to John the Baptist) and they said he was "a glutton and a
> > drunkard" (Jesus' words). Thirdly you know virtually nothing about me,
> > and I would say it's easy to be a hypocrite when one is hiding behind a
> > shield of anonymity. And lastly there are many poor in places besides
> > Soweto. Going there IMHO would smack of liberal condescension and making
> > a public show - "Look how good I am, I'm going to Soweto!" Hypocrisy
> > again.
> > > TTFN (smile)
> > > Loyaulte me lie,
> > > Johanne
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > >
> > > From: blancsanglier1452
> > > Sent: 16 Dec 2012 18:29:59 GMT
> > > To:
> > > Subject: Some off-topic - Barbados and
> > friars and Jeremy Potter - oh my! (was Re: RICHARD... - Official
> > Statement of the University of Leicester
> > >
> > > Of course the Christian thing to do would be to holiday in Soweto and
> > donate the difference to the poor.
> > >
> > > Unless you're a Marxist of course; I believe that Lenin considered
> > there to be no harm in luxury so long as the working class was the
> > beneficiary.
> > >
> > > Sláinte!!!
> > >
> > > --- In , Johanne Tournier
> > jltournier60@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi, Maire!
> > > > Yes Barbados really is wonderful. I'm staying at the Almond
> > Casuarina Beach Resort in St Lawrence Gap. Arthur and I stayed here in
> > 1989, the last time we were here. It was nice then - it's about twice as
> > big and even nicer now. And it's all-inclusive, the first all-inclusive
> > hotel I've ever stayed in. And the food and drinks are great! I
> > discovered a drink rum, pineapple juice, banana liqueur and a splash of
> > Grenadine - it's called a Bahama Mama, and I call it yummy!
> > > > Yes that is a romantic thought that the friars would have left a
> > memento with the body. Perhaps! All will soon be revealed! I hope!
> > > > Speaking of friars I am currently reading *A Trail of Blood* by
> > Jeremy Potter, author of *Good King Richard?*. The protagonist is a monk
> > at Croyland, the archivist during the reign of Fat Hal, who is tasked by
> > his abbot with conducting an investigation. It reminded me in the
> > beginning of *The Name of the Rose* except that rather than being
> > immured at Croyland, Brother Thomas has been traveling hither, thither
> > and yon, including the Tower, Bermondsey, Stoke and Lincoln. Very
> > interesting and a gripping yarn.
> > > > Loyaulte me lie,
> > > > Johanne
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > >
> > > > From: mairemulholland
> > > > Sent: 15 Dec 2012 23:17:31 GMT
> > > > To:
> > > > Subject: Re: RICHARD... - Official
> > Statement of the University of Leicester
> > > >
> > > > Hi, Johanne! My thought when I read the comment section of the
> > Daily Mail was that the monks of Greyfriars may have buried him with a
> > symbol of his reign - not totally unlike the final scene in "We Speak No
> > Treason." But then I'm a romantic by nature and would love that that
> > were true. Hope you're enjoying Barbados! Maire.
> > > >
> > > > --- In , Johanne Tournier
> > <jltournier60@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for posting the link to the official press release, Renate.
> > Of course as I read the info in the DM and Telegraph and this press
> > release, it is still possible that some significant personal article
> > was found with him. Personally, tho I would love to see such a precious
> > artifact, I doubt that the rumour is true, as we have always heard that
> > the body was despoiled and that it was brought into Leicester completely
> > nude. Therefore it's highly unlikely that any item of intrinsic worth
> > would have been left with the body - unless the brothers might have left
> > it with the body for the specific purpose of aiding in identification in
> > time to come. That would be a wonderful thought.
> > > > > Loyaulte me lie,
> > > > > Johanne
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > >
> > > > > From: walkerjaneway
> > > > > Sent: 15 Dec 2012 21:22:41 GMT
> > > > > To:
> > > > > Subject: Re: RICHARD... - Official
> > Statement of the University of Leicester
> > > > >
> > > > > I like how fast the UoL responds with this statement to various
> > rather confusing articles like the one from dailymail.
> > > > >
> > > > > Official Statement of the University of Leicester:
> > > > > http://www2.le.ac.uk/news/blog/2012/december/statement
> > > > >
> > > > > Renate
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In , "EileenB"
> > <cherryripe.eileenb@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Just read in the Daily Mail online that the remains have been
> > identified as Richard's but they are not announcing it until the
> > documentary is aired on Channel 4 TV. Eileen
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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Yes....don't worry about the rest of us freezing, our umbrellas blowing inside out, the sleet blowing in our faces etc., etc, etc.,....:0) Eileen

--- In , "mairemulholland" <mairemulholland@...> wrote:
>
> Enjoy the remainder of your vacation! Maire.
>
> --- In , Johanne Tournier <jltournier60@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi, Maire -
> > Yes and thanks! As a liberal myself, I was not intending to be liberal-bashing. Just hypocrite-bashing. LOL!
> > I would rather discuss Richard! Bear with me, maybe I can think of a new thread!
> > TTFN (smile)
> > Loyaulte me lie,
> > Johanne
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >
> > From: mairemulholland
> > Sent: 17 Dec 2012 17:26:11 GMT
> > To:
> > Subject: Some off-topic - Barbados and friars and Jeremy Potter - oh my! (was Re: RICHARD... - Official Statement of the University of Leicester
> >
> >
> > I think Johanne's original response was to me after I jokingly expressed jealousy that she was in Barbados. That, for some reason, made another poster respond by talking about Marxism and Soweto. A tad bit "off topic," I think. Maire.
> > --- In , "asphodellynwormwood" <asphodellynwormwood@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I don't say much in any groups, but this is a pervasive problem in
> > > too many of them. Please drop the liberal bashing at once. It is not at
> > > home on a list such as this. Thank you.
> > >
> > > Linda
> > > --- In , Johanne Tournier
> > > <jltournier60@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi -
> > > > I wish I had an amusing response ... I guess the quickest and easiest
> > > is to simply say I have never held myself out as a good Christian. The
> > > second thing is to note that Jesus "came eating and drinking" (in
> > > contrast to John the Baptist) and they said he was "a glutton and a
> > > drunkard" (Jesus' words). Thirdly you know virtually nothing about me,
> > > and I would say it's easy to be a hypocrite when one is hiding behind a
> > > shield of anonymity. And lastly there are many poor in places besides
> > > Soweto. Going there IMHO would smack of liberal condescension and making
> > > a public show - "Look how good I am, I'm going to Soweto!" Hypocrisy
> > > again.
> > > > TTFN (smile)
> > > > Loyaulte me lie,
> > > > Johanne
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > >
> > > > From: blancsanglier1452
> > > > Sent: 16 Dec 2012 18:29:59 GMT
> > > > To:
> > > > Subject: Some off-topic - Barbados and
> > > friars and Jeremy Potter - oh my! (was Re: RICHARD... - Official
> > > Statement of the University of Leicester
> > > >
> > > > Of course the Christian thing to do would be to holiday in Soweto and
> > > donate the difference to the poor.
> > > >
> > > > Unless you're a Marxist of course; I believe that Lenin considered
> > > there to be no harm in luxury so long as the working class was the
> > > beneficiary.
> > > >
> > > > Sláinte!!!
> > > >
> > > > --- In , Johanne Tournier
> > > jltournier60@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi, Maire!
> > > > > Yes Barbados really is wonderful. I'm staying at the Almond
> > > Casuarina Beach Resort in St Lawrence Gap. Arthur and I stayed here in
> > > 1989, the last time we were here. It was nice then - it's about twice as
> > > big and even nicer now. And it's all-inclusive, the first all-inclusive
> > > hotel I've ever stayed in. And the food and drinks are great! I
> > > discovered a drink rum, pineapple juice, banana liqueur and a splash of
> > > Grenadine - it's called a Bahama Mama, and I call it yummy!
> > > > > Yes that is a romantic thought that the friars would have left a
> > > memento with the body. Perhaps! All will soon be revealed! I hope!
> > > > > Speaking of friars I am currently reading *A Trail of Blood* by
> > > Jeremy Potter, author of *Good King Richard?*. The protagonist is a monk
> > > at Croyland, the archivist during the reign of Fat Hal, who is tasked by
> > > his abbot with conducting an investigation. It reminded me in the
> > > beginning of *The Name of the Rose* except that rather than being
> > > immured at Croyland, Brother Thomas has been traveling hither, thither
> > > and yon, including the Tower, Bermondsey, Stoke and Lincoln. Very
> > > interesting and a gripping yarn.
> > > > > Loyaulte me lie,
> > > > > Johanne
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > >
> > > > > From: mairemulholland
> > > > > Sent: 15 Dec 2012 23:17:31 GMT
> > > > > To:
> > > > > Subject: Re: RICHARD... - Official
> > > Statement of the University of Leicester
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi, Johanne! My thought when I read the comment section of the
> > > Daily Mail was that the monks of Greyfriars may have buried him with a
> > > symbol of his reign - not totally unlike the final scene in "We Speak No
> > > Treason." But then I'm a romantic by nature and would love that that
> > > were true. Hope you're enjoying Barbados! Maire.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In , Johanne Tournier
> > > <jltournier60@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks for posting the link to the official press release, Renate.
> > > Of course as I read the info in the DM and Telegraph and this press
> > > release, it is still possible that some significant personal article
> > > was found with him. Personally, tho I would love to see such a precious
> > > artifact, I doubt that the rumour is true, as we have always heard that
> > > the body was despoiled and that it was brought into Leicester completely
> > > nude. Therefore it's highly unlikely that any item of intrinsic worth
> > > would have been left with the body - unless the brothers might have left
> > > it with the body for the specific purpose of aiding in identification in
> > > time to come. That would be a wonderful thought.
> > > > > > Loyaulte me lie,
> > > > > > Johanne
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From: walkerjaneway
> > > > > > Sent: 15 Dec 2012 21:22:41 GMT
> > > > > > To:
> > > > > > Subject: Re: RICHARD... - Official
> > > Statement of the University of Leicester
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I like how fast the UoL responds with this statement to various
> > > rather confusing articles like the one from dailymail.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Official Statement of the University of Leicester:
> > > > > > http://www2.le.ac.uk/news/blog/2012/december/statement
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Renate
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In , "EileenB"
> > > <cherryripe.eileenb@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Just read in the Daily Mail online that the remains have been
> > > identified as Richard's but they are not announcing it until the
> > > documentary is aired on Channel 4 TV. Eileen
> > > > > > >
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Hi, Eileen & Everyone!
OK, beautiful Barbados is just some ephemeral bliss in compensation for not being in Leicester when you get together for your cuppa and custard tarts in honor of our King - unless you happen to wait till next Aug and I can get there then - or for the tour in Sept. Or both!
In the meantime, by late Wednesday I'll be sharing the miseries again of the Great White North. (But it will be worth it - I will be back with my little poochies once again.)
TTFN (smile)
Loyaulte me lie,
Johanne

-----Original Message-----

From: EileenB
Sent: 17 Dec 2012 18:39:39 GMT
To:
Subject: Some off-topic - Barbados and friars and Jeremy Potter - oh my! (was Re: RICHARD... - Official Statement of the University of Leicester

Yes....don't worry about the rest of us freezing, our umbrellas blowing inside out, the sleet blowing in our faces etc., etc, etc.,....:0) Eileen

--- In , "mairemulholland" <mairemulholland@...> wrote:
>
> Enjoy the remainder of your vacation! Maire.
>
> --- In , Johanne Tournier <jltournier60@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi, Maire -
> > Yes and thanks! As a liberal myself, I was not intending to be liberal-bashing. Just hypocrite-bashing. LOL!
> > I would rather discuss Richard! Bear with me, maybe I can think of a new thread!
> > TTFN (smile)
> > Loyaulte me lie,
> > Johanne
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >
> > From: mairemulholland
> > Sent: 17 Dec 2012 17:26:11 GMT
> > To:
> > Subject: Some off-topic - Barbados and friars and Jeremy Potter - oh my! (was Re: RICHARD... - Official Statement of the University of Leicester
> >
> >
> > I think Johanne's original response was to me after I jokingly expressed jealousy that she was in Barbados. That, for some reason, made another poster respond by talking about Marxism and Soweto. A tad bit "off topic," I think. Maire.
> > --- In , "asphodellynwormwood" <asphodellynwormwood@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I don't say much in any groups, but this is a pervasive problem in
> > > too many of them. Please drop the liberal bashing at once. It is not at
> > > home on a list such as this. Thank you.
> > >
> > > Linda
> > > --- In , Johanne Tournier
> > > <jltournier60@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi -
> > > > I wish I had an amusing response ... I guess the quickest and easiest
> > > is to simply say I have never held myself out as a good Christian. The
> > > second thing is to note that Jesus "came eating and drinking" (in
> > > contrast to John the Baptist) and they said he was "a glutton and a
> > > drunkard" (Jesus' words). Thirdly you know virtually nothing about me,
> > > and I would say it's easy to be a hypocrite when one is hiding behind a
> > > shield of anonymity. And lastly there are many poor in places besides
> > > Soweto. Going there IMHO would smack of liberal condescension and making
> > > a public show - "Look how good I am, I'm going to Soweto!" Hypocrisy
> > > again.
> > > > TTFN (smile)
> > > > Loyaulte me lie,
> > > > Johanne
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > >
> > > > From: blancsanglier1452
> > > > Sent: 16 Dec 2012 18:29:59 GMT
> > > > To:
> > > > Subject: Some off-topic - Barbados and
> > > friars and Jeremy Potter - oh my! (was Re: RICHARD... - Official
> > > Statement of the University of Leicester
> > > >
> > > > Of course the Christian thing to do would be to holiday in Soweto and
> > > donate the difference to the poor.
> > > >
> > > > Unless you're a Marxist of course; I believe that Lenin considered
> > > there to be no harm in luxury so long as the working class was the
> > > beneficiary.
> > > >
> > > > SlÒ¡inte!!!
> > > >
> > > > --- In , Johanne Tournier
> > > jltournier60@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi, Maire!
> > > > > Yes Barbados really is wonderful. I'm staying at the Almond
> > > Casuarina Beach Resort in St Lawrence Gap. Arthur and I stayed here in
> > > 1989, the last time we were here. It was nice then - it's about twice as
> > > big and even nicer now. And it's all-inclusive, the first all-inclusive
> > > hotel I've ever stayed in. And the food and drinks are great! I
> > > discovered a drink rum, pineapple juice, banana liqueur and a splash of
> > > Grenadine - it's called a Bahama Mama, and I call it yummy!
> > > > > Yes that is a romantic thought that the friars would have left a
> > > memento with the body. Perhaps! All will soon be revealed! I hope!
> > > > > Speaking of friars I am currently reading *A Trail of Blood* by
> > > Jeremy Potter, author of *Good King Richard?*. The protagonist is a monk
> > > at Croyland, the archivist during the reign of Fat Hal, who is tasked by
> > > his abbot with conducting an investigation. It reminded me in the
> > > beginning of *The Name of the Rose* except that rather than being
> > > immured at Croyland, Brother Thomas has been traveling hither, thither
> > > and yon, including the Tower, Bermondsey, Stoke and Lincoln. Very
> > > interesting and a gripping yarn.
> > > > > Loyaulte me lie,
> > > > > Johanne
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > >
> > > > > From: mairemulholland
> > > > > Sent: 15 Dec 2012 23:17:31 GMT
> > > > > To:
> > > > > Subject: Re: RICHARD... - Official
> > > Statement of the University of Leicester
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi, Johanne! My thought when I read the comment section of the
> > > Daily Mail was that the monks of Greyfriars may have buried him with a
> > > symbol of his reign - not totally unlike the final scene in "We Speak No
> > > Treason." But then I'm a romantic by nature and would love that that
> > > were true. Hope you're enjoying Barbados! Maire.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In , Johanne Tournier
> > > <jltournier60@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks for posting the link to the official press release, Renate.
> > > Of course as I read the info in the DM and Telegraph and this press
> > > release, it is still possible that some significant personal article
> > > was found with him. Personally, tho I would love to see such a precious
> > > artifact, I doubt that the rumour is true, as we have always heard that
> > > the body was despoiled and that it was brought into Leicester completely
> > > nude. Therefore it's highly unlikely that any item of intrinsic worth
> > > would have been left with the body - unless the brothers might have left
> > > it with the body for the specific purpose of aiding in identification in
> > > time to come. That would be a wonderful thought.
> > > > > > Loyaulte me lie,
> > > > > > Johanne
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From: walkerjaneway
> > > > > > Sent: 15 Dec 2012 21:22:41 GMT
> > > > > > To:
> > > > > > Subject: Re: RICHARD... - Official
> > > Statement of the University of Leicester
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I like how fast the UoL responds with this statement to various
> > > rather confusing articles like the one from dailymail.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Official Statement of the University of Leicester:
> > > > > > http://www2.le.ac.uk/news/blog/2012/december/statement
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Renate
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In , "EileenB"
> > > <cherryripe.eileenb@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Just read in the Daily Mail online that the remains have been
> > > identified as Richard's but they are not announcing it until the
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Who is this Richard BEAR that you talk of?

Is he related to Paddington Bear

Who else



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From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of Johanne Tournier
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 1:03 PM
To:
Subject: RE: Some off-topic - Barbados and friars and Jeremy Potter - oh my! (was Re: RICHARD... - Official Statement of the University of Leicester





Hi, Maire -
Yes and thanks! As a liberal myself, I was not intending to be liberal-bashing. Just hypocrite-bashing. LOL!
I would rather discuss Richard! Bear with me, maybe I can think of a new thread!
TTFN (smile)
Loyaulte me lie,
Johanne

-----Original Message-----

From: mairemulholland
Sent: 17 Dec 2012 17:26:11 GMT
To: <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Some off-topic - Barbados and friars and Jeremy Potter - oh my! (was Re: RICHARD... - Official Statement of the University of Leicester

I think Johanne's original response was to me after I jokingly expressed jealousy that she was in Barbados. That, for some reason, made another poster respond by talking about Marxism and Soweto. A tad bit "off topic," I think. Maire.
--- In <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> , "asphodellynwormwood" <asphodellynwormwood@...> wrote:
>
> I don't say much in any groups, but this is a pervasive problem in
> too many of them. Please drop the liberal bashing at once. It is not at
> home on a list such as this. Thank you.
>
> Linda
> --- In <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> , Johanne Tournier
> <jltournier60@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi -
> > I wish I had an amusing response ... I guess the quickest and easiest
> is to simply say I have never held myself out as a good Christian. The
> second thing is to note that Jesus "came eating and drinking" (in
> contrast to John the Baptist) and they said he was "a glutton and a
> drunkard" (Jesus' words). Thirdly you know virtually nothing about me,
> and I would say it's easy to be a hypocrite when one is hiding behind a
> shield of anonymity. And lastly there are many poor in places besides
> Soweto. Going there IMHO would smack of liberal condescension and making
> a public show - "Look how good I am, I'm going to Soweto!" Hypocrisy
> again.
> > TTFN (smile)
> > Loyaulte me lie,
> > Johanne
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >
> > From: blancsanglier1452
> > Sent: 16 Dec 2012 18:29:59 GMT
> > To: <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: Some off-topic - Barbados and
> friars and Jeremy Potter - oh my! (was Re: RICHARD... - Official
> Statement of the University of Leicester
> >
> > Of course the Christian thing to do would be to holiday in Soweto and
> donate the difference to the poor.
> >
> > Unless you're a Marxist of course; I believe that Lenin considered
> there to be no harm in luxury so long as the working class was the
> beneficiary.
> >
> > Sláinte!!!
> >
> > --- In <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> , Johanne Tournier
> jltournier60@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi, Maire!
> > > Yes Barbados really is wonderful. I'm staying at the Almond
> Casuarina Beach Resort in St Lawrence Gap. Arthur and I stayed here in
> 1989, the last time we were here. It was nice then - it's about twice as
> big and even nicer now. And it's all-inclusive, the first all-inclusive
> hotel I've ever stayed in. And the food and drinks are great! I
> discovered a drink rum, pineapple juice, banana liqueur and a splash of
> Grenadine - it's called a Bahama Mama, and I call it yummy!
> > > Yes that is a romantic thought that the friars would have left a
> memento with the body. Perhaps! All will soon be revealed! I hope!
> > > Speaking of friars I am currently reading *A Trail of Blood* by
> Jeremy Potter, author of *Good King Richard?*. The protagonist is a monk
> at Croyland, the archivist during the reign of Fat Hal, who is tasked by
> his abbot with conducting an investigation. It reminded me in the
> beginning of *The Name of the Rose* except that rather than being
> immured at Croyland, Brother Thomas has been traveling hither, thither
> and yon, including the Tower, Bermondsey, Stoke and Lincoln. Very
> interesting and a gripping yarn.
> > > Loyaulte me lie,
> > > Johanne
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > >
> > > From: mairemulholland
> > > Sent: 15 Dec 2012 23:17:31 GMT
> > > To: <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Subject: Re: RICHARD... - Official
> Statement of the University of Leicester
> > >
> > > Hi, Johanne! My thought when I read the comment section of the
> Daily Mail was that the monks of Greyfriars may have buried him with a
> symbol of his reign - not totally unlike the final scene in "We Speak No
> Treason." But then I'm a romantic by nature and would love that that
> were true. Hope you're enjoying Barbados! Maire.
> > >
> > > --- In <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> , Johanne Tournier
> <jltournier60@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for posting the link to the official press release, Renate.
> Of course as I read the info in the DM and Telegraph and this press
> release, it is still possible that some significant personal article
> was found with him. Personally, tho I would love to see such a precious
> artifact, I doubt that the rumour is true, as we have always heard that
> the body was despoiled and that it was brought into Leicester completely
> nude. Therefore it's highly unlikely that any item of intrinsic worth
> would have been left with the body - unless the brothers might have left
> it with the body for the specific purpose of aiding in identification in
> time to come. That would be a wonderful thought.
> > > > Loyaulte me lie,
> > > > Johanne
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > >
> > > > From: walkerjaneway
> > > > Sent: 15 Dec 2012 21:22:41 GMT
> > > > To: <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Subject: Re: RICHARD... - Official
> Statement of the University of Leicester
> > > >
> > > > I like how fast the UoL responds with this statement to various
> rather confusing articles like the one from dailymail.
> > > >
> > > > Official Statement of the University of Leicester:
> > > > http://www2.le.ac.uk/news/blog/2012/december/statement
> > > >
> > > > Renate
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> , "EileenB"
> <cherryripe.eileenb@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Just read in the Daily Mail online that the remains have been
> identified as Richard's but they are not announcing it until the
> documentary is aired on Channel 4 TV. Eileen
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No, George, my bear is Winnie, aka Edward Bear. I believe the *real* Winnie was Canadian, btw.
Loyaulte me lie,
Johanne
PS - I don't know how to snip messages on this cell phone. I will do penance when I get back home to my laptop! Jo

-----Original Message-----

From: George Butterfield
Sent: 17 Dec 2012 19:12:38 GMT
To:
Subject: RE: Some off-topic - Barbados and friars and Jeremy Potter - oh my! (was Re: RICHARD... - Official Statement of the University of Leicester

Who is this Richard BEAR that you talk of?

Is he related to Paddington Bear

Who else



G



From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of Johanne Tournier
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 1:03 PM
To:
Subject: RE: Some off-topic - Barbados and friars and Jeremy Potter - oh my! (was Re: RICHARD... - Official Statement of the University of Leicester





Hi, Maire -
Yes and thanks! As a liberal myself, I was not intending to be liberal-bashing. Just hypocrite-bashing. LOL!
I would rather discuss Richard! Bear with me, maybe I can think of a new thread!
TTFN (smile)
Loyaulte me lie,
Johanne

-----Original Message-----

From: mairemulholland
Sent: 17 Dec 2012 17:26:11 GMT
To: <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Some off-topic - Barbados and friars and Jeremy Potter - oh my! (was Re: RICHARD... - Official Statement of the University of Leicester

I think Johanne's original response was to me after I jokingly expressed jealousy that she was in Barbados. That, for some reason, made another poster respond by talking about Marxism and Soweto. A tad bit "off topic," I think. Maire.
--- In <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> , "asphodellynwormwood" <asphodellynwormwood@...> wrote:
>
> I don't say much in any groups, but this is a pervasive problem in
> too many of them. Please drop the liberal bashing at once. It is not at
> home on a list such as this. Thank you.
>
> Linda
> --- In <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> , Johanne Tournier
> <jltournier60@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi -
> > I wish I had an amusing response ... I guess the quickest and easiest
> is to simply say I have never held myself out as a good Christian. The
> second thing is to note that Jesus "came eating and drinking" (in
> contrast to John the Baptist) and they said he was "a glutton and a
> drunkard" (Jesus' words). Thirdly you know virtually nothing about me,
> and I would say it's easy to be a hypocrite when one is hiding behind a
> shield of anonymity. And lastly there are many poor in places besides
> Soweto. Going there IMHO would smack of liberal condescension and making
> a public show - "Look how good I am, I'm going to Soweto!" Hypocrisy
> again.
> > TTFN (smile)
> > Loyaulte me lie,
> > Johanne
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >
> > From: blancsanglier1452
> > Sent: 16 Dec 2012 18:29:59 GMT
> > To: <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: Some off-topic - Barbados and
> friars and Jeremy Potter - oh my! (was Re: RICHARD... - Official
> Statement of the University of Leicester
> >
> > Of course the Christian thing to do would be to holiday in Soweto and
> donate the difference to the poor.
> >
> > Unless you're a Marxist of course; I believe that Lenin considered
> there to be no harm in luxury so long as the working class was the
> beneficiary.
> >
> > Sláinte!!!
> >
> > --- In <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> , Johanne Tournier
> jltournier60@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi, Maire!
> > > Yes Barbados really is wonderful. I'm staying at the Almond
> Casuarina Beach Resort in St Lawrence Gap. Arthur and I stayed here in
> 1989, the last time we were here. It was nice then - it's about twice as
> big and even nicer now. And it's all-inclusive, the first all-inclusive
> hotel I've ever stayed in. And the food and drinks are great! I
> discovered a drink rum, pineapple juice, banana liqueur and a splash of
> Grenadine - it's called a Bahama Mama, and I call it yummy!
> > > Yes that is a romantic thought that the friars would have left a
> memento with the body. Perhaps! All will soon be revealed! I hope!
> > > Speaking of friars I am currently reading *A Trail of Blood* by
> Jeremy Potter, author of *Good King Richard?*. The protagonist is a monk
> at Croyland, the archivist during the reign of Fat Hal, who is tasked by
> his abbot with conducting an investigation. It reminded me in the
> beginning of *The Name of the Rose* except that rather than being
> immured at Croyland, Brother Thomas has been traveling hither, thither
> and yon, including the Tower, Bermondsey, Stoke and Lincoln. Very
> interesting and a gripping yarn.
> > > Loyaulte me lie,
> > > Johanne
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > >
> > > From: mairemulholland
> > > Sent: 15 Dec 2012 23:17:31 GMT
> > > To: <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Subject: Re: RICHARD... - Official
> Statement of the University of Leicester
> > >
> > > Hi, Johanne! My thought when I read the comment section of the
> Daily Mail was that the monks of Greyfriars may have buried him with a
> symbol of his reign - not totally unlike the final scene in "We Speak No
> Treason." But then I'm a romantic by nature and would love that that
> were true. Hope you're enjoying Barbados! Maire.
> > >
> > > --- In <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> , Johanne Tournier
> <jltournier60@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for posting the link to the official press release, Renate.
> Of course as I read the info in the DM and Telegraph and this press
> release, it is still possible that some significant personal article
> was found with him. Personally, tho I would love to see such a precious
> artifact, I doubt that the rumour is true, as we have always heard that
> the body was despoiled and that it was brought into Leicester completely
> nude. Therefore it's highly unlikely that any item of intrinsic worth
> would have been left with the body - unless the brothers might have left
> it with the body for the specific purpose of aiding in identification in
> time to come. That would be a wonderful thought.
> > > > Loyaulte me lie,
> > > > Johanne
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > >
> > > > From: walkerjaneway
> > > > Sent: 15 Dec 2012 21:22:41 GMT
> > > > To: <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Subject: Re: RICHARD... - Official
> Statement of the University of Leicester
> > > >
> > > > I like how fast the UoL responds with this statement to various
> rather confusing articles like the one from dailymail.
> > > >
> > > > Official Statement of the University of Leicester:
> > > > http://www2.le.ac.uk/news/blog/2012/december/statement
> > > >
> > > > Renate
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> , "EileenB"
> <cherryripe.eileenb@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Just read in the Daily Mail online that the remains have been
> identified as Richard's but they are not announcing it until the
> documentary is aired on Channel 4 TV. Eileen
> > > > >
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