Rhoda Edwards WAS Richard's Scribes

--- In , "mairemulholland" wrote:

I'm pretty sure that the characters of Robert Bolman and Richard Bele - dramatised in Rhoda Edward's The Broken Sword were actual workers in Richard's office. Maire.



Katy:

My thought was "Why don't we ask her?" so I tried to look her up -- many authors have web sites or Facebook pages.

Rhoda Edwards doesn't. I was able to find out very little about her. Maybe the back cover or introduction to one of her books has more.

Her published works are listed as

Some Touch of Pity
Fortune's Wheel
The Itinerary of King Richard III, 1483-1485
None But Elizabeth
The Broken Sword

The Itinerary of King Richard III sounds intriguing. Has anyone read it?

Katy

Hi, Katy!
The Itinerary of RIII is offered for sale on the parent Society website. I don't have it yet but it's one of the books I'm planning on ordering fm the Society after I get back home. When I get it, I will tell you more.
Loyaulte me lie,
Johanne

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From: oregon_katy
Sent: 18 Dec 2012 18:20:01 GMT
To:
Subject: Rhoda Edwards WAS Richard's Scribes

--- In , "mairemulholland" wrote:

I'm pretty sure that the characters of Robert Bolman and Richard Bele - dramatised in Rhoda Edward's The Broken Sword were actual workers in Richard's office. Maire.



Katy:

My thought was "Why don't we ask her?" so I tried to look her up -- many authors have web sites or Facebook pages.

Rhoda Edwards doesn't. I was able to find out very little about her. Maybe the back cover or introduction to one of her books has more.

Her published works are listed as

Some Touch of Pity
Fortune's Wheel
The Itinerary of King Richard III, 1483-1485
None But Elizabeth
The Broken Sword

The Itinerary of King Richard III sounds intriguing. Has anyone read it?

Katy

The Itinerary of Rlll is a very useful little book to have and I have quoted from it several times on here. Highly recommended....Eileen

--- In , Johanne Tournier wrote:

Hi, Katy!
The Itinerary of RIII is offered for sale on the parent Society website. I don't have it yet but it's one of the books I'm planning on ordering fm the Society after I get back home. When I get it, I will tell you more.
Loyaulte me lie,
Johanne

-----Original Message-----

From: oregon_katy
Sent: 18 Dec 2012 18:20:01 GMT
To:
Subject: Rhoda Edwards WAS Richard's Scribes

--- In , "mairemulholland" wrote:

I'm pretty sure that the characters of Robert Bolman and Richard Bele - dramatised in Rhoda Edward's The Broken Sword were actual workers in Richard's office. Maire.



Katy:

My thought was "Why don't we ask her?" so I tried to look her up -- many authors have web sites or Facebook pages.

Rhoda Edwards doesn't. I was able to find out very little about her. Maybe the back cover or introduction to one of her books has more.

Her published works are listed as

Some Touch of Pity
Fortune's Wheel
The Itinerary of King Richard III, 1483-1485
None But Elizabeth
The Broken Sword

The Itinerary of King Richard III sounds intriguing. Has anyone read it?

Katy

The Broken Sword and the Some Touch of Pity are the same books with different names. I wonder why?!
Loved the Broken Sword but was too sad at the end:/

Ishita Bandyo
www.ishitabandyo.com
www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com

On Dec 18, 2012, at 1:19 PM, "oregon_katy" <oregon_katy@...> wrote:

> --- In , "mairemulholland" wrote:
>
> I'm pretty sure that the characters of Robert Bolman and Richard Bele - dramatised in Rhoda Edward's The Broken Sword were actual workers in Richard's office. Maire.
>
>
> Katy:
>
> My thought was "Why don't we ask her?" so I tried to look her up -- many authors have web sites or Facebook pages.
>
> Rhoda Edwards doesn't. I was able to find out very little about her. Maybe the back cover or introduction to one of her books has more.
>
> Her published works are listed as
>
> Some Touch of Pity
> Fortune's Wheel
> The Itinerary of King Richard III, 1483-1485
> None But Elizabeth
> The Broken Sword
>
> The Itinerary of King Richard III sounds intriguing. Has anyone read it?
>
> Katy
>
>

Oh, yeah, it's a real tearjerker. I think "Some Touch of Pity" is the British title. For some reason it was changed when published in the USA. Go figure! Maire.

--- In , Richard Yahoo wrote:

The Broken Sword and the Some Touch of Pity are the same books with different names. I wonder why?!
Loved the Broken Sword but was too sad at the end:/

Ishita Bandyo
www.ishitabandyo.com
www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com

On Dec 18, 2012, at 1:19 PM, "oregon_katy" wrote:

--- In , "mairemulholland" wrote:

I'm pretty sure that the characters of Robert Bolman and Richard Bele - dramatised in Rhoda Edward's The Broken Sword were actual workers in Richard's office. Maire.


Katy:

My thought was "Why don't we ask her?" so I tried to look her up -- many authors have web sites or Facebook pages.

Rhoda Edwards doesn't. I was able to find out very little about her. Maybe the back cover or introduction to one of her books has more.

Her published works are listed as

Some Touch of Pity
Fortune's Wheel
The Itinerary of King Richard III, 1483-1485
None But Elizabeth
The Broken Sword

The Itinerary of King Richard III sounds intriguing. Has anyone read it?

Katy

To confuse us so that Richard crazy people like us will buy both:D

Ishita Bandyo
www.ishitabandyo.com
www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com

On Dec 18, 2012, at 2:25 PM, "mairemulholland" <mairemulholland@...> wrote:

> Oh, yeah, it's a real tearjerker. I think "Some Touch of Pity" is the British title. For some reason it was changed when published in the USA. Go figure! Maire.
>
> --- In , Richard Yahoo wrote:
>
> The Broken Sword and the Some Touch of Pity are the same books with different names. I wonder why?!
> Loved the Broken Sword but was too sad at the end:/
>
> Ishita Bandyo
> www.ishitabandyo.com
> www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
> www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
>
> On Dec 18, 2012, at 1:19 PM, "oregon_katy" wrote:
>
> --- In , "mairemulholland" wrote:
>
> I'm pretty sure that the characters of Robert Bolman and Richard Bele - dramatised in Rhoda Edward's The Broken Sword were actual workers in Richard's office. Maire.
>
>
> Katy:
>
> My thought was "Why don't we ask her?" so I tried to look her up -- many authors have web sites or Facebook pages.
>
> Rhoda Edwards doesn't. I was able to find out very little about her. Maybe the back cover or introduction to one of her books has more.
>
> Her published works are listed as
>
> Some Touch of Pity
> Fortune's Wheel
> The Itinerary of King Richard III, 1483-1485
> None But Elizabeth
> The Broken Sword
>
> The Itinerary of King Richard III sounds intriguing. Has anyone read it?
>
> Katy
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Typically the titles are changed either because they are already in
copyright ISBN code or have a totally different meaning in another country.

George

From:
[mailto:] On Behalf Of mairemulholland
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 2:26 PM
To:
Subject: Re: Rhoda Edwards WAS Richard's Scribes





Oh, yeah, it's a real tearjerker. I think "Some Touch of Pity" is the
British title. For some reason it was changed when published in the USA. Go
figure! Maire.

--- In
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> , Richard Yahoo wrote:

The Broken Sword and the Some Touch of Pity are the same books with
different names. I wonder why?!
Loved the Broken Sword but was too sad at the end:/

Ishita Bandyo
www.ishitabandyo.com
www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com

On Dec 18, 2012, at 1:19 PM, "oregon_katy" wrote:

--- In
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> , "mairemulholland" wrote:

I'm pretty sure that the characters of Robert Bolman and Richard Bele -
dramatised in Rhoda Edward's The Broken Sword were actual workers in
Richard's office. Maire.


Katy:

My thought was "Why don't we ask her?" so I tried to look her up -- many
authors have web sites or Facebook pages.

Rhoda Edwards doesn't. I was able to find out very little about her. Maybe
the back cover or introduction to one of her books has more.

Her published works are listed as

Some Touch of Pity
Fortune's Wheel
The Itinerary of King Richard III, 1483-1485
None But Elizabeth
The Broken Sword

The Itinerary of King Richard III sounds intriguing. Has anyone read it?

Katy

"Some Touch of Pity" is so much more evocative than "The Broken Sword." I first read it as a kid traveling to and from NYC by train on my first (hated) job. Thanks to Richard and Rhoda, I could forget myself for a while! Maire.

--- In , "George Butterfield" wrote:

Typically the titles are changed either because they are already in
copyright ISBN code or have a totally different meaning in another country.

George

From:
[mailto:] On Behalf Of mairemulholland
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 2:26 PM
To:
Subject: Re: Rhoda Edwards WAS Richard's Scribes





Oh, yeah, it's a real tearjerker. I think "Some Touch of Pity" is the
British title. For some reason it was changed when published in the USA. Go
figure! Maire.

--- In
, Richard Yahoo wrote:

The Broken Sword and the Some Touch of Pity are the same books with
different names. I wonder why?!
Loved the Broken Sword but was too sad at the end:/

Ishita Bandyo
www.ishitabandyo.com
www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com

On Dec 18, 2012, at 1:19 PM, "oregon_katy" wrote:

--- In
, "mairemulholland" wrote:

I'm pretty sure that the characters of Robert Bolman and Richard Bele -
dramatised in Rhoda Edward's The Broken Sword were actual workers in
Richard's office. Maire.


Katy:

My thought was "Why don't we ask her?" so I tried to look her up -- many
authors have web sites or Facebook pages.

Rhoda Edwards doesn't. I was able to find out very little about her. Maybe
the back cover or introduction to one of her books has more.

Her published works are listed as

Some Touch of Pity
Fortune's Wheel
The Itinerary of King Richard III, 1483-1485
None But Elizabeth
The Broken Sword

The Itinerary of King Richard III sounds intriguing. Has anyone read it?

Katy

They are the same books, yes? They don't have the same content?

If not I have to order STof P!!

Ishita Bandyo
www.ishitabandyo.com
www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com

On Dec 18, 2012, at 6:00 PM, "mairemulholland" <mairemulholland@...> wrote:

> "Some Touch of Pity" is so much more evocative than "The Broken Sword." I first read it as a kid traveling to and from NYC by train on my first (hated) job. Thanks to Richard and Rhoda, I could forget myself for a while! Maire.
>
> --- In , "George Butterfield" wrote:
>
> Typically the titles are changed either because they are already in
> copyright ISBN code or have a totally different meaning in another country.
>
> George
>
> From:
> [mailto:] On Behalf Of mairemulholland
> Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 2:26 PM
> To:
> Subject: Re: Rhoda Edwards WAS Richard's Scribes
>
>
>
>
>
> Oh, yeah, it's a real tearjerker. I think "Some Touch of Pity" is the
> British title. For some reason it was changed when published in the USA. Go
> figure! Maire.
>
> --- In
> , Richard Yahoo wrote:
>
> The Broken Sword and the Some Touch of Pity are the same books with
> different names. I wonder why?!
> Loved the Broken Sword but was too sad at the end:/
>
> Ishita Bandyo
> www.ishitabandyo.com
> www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
> www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
>
> On Dec 18, 2012, at 1:19 PM, "oregon_katy" wrote:
>
> --- In
> , "mairemulholland" wrote:
>
> I'm pretty sure that the characters of Robert Bolman and Richard Bele -
> dramatised in Rhoda Edward's The Broken Sword were actual workers in
> Richard's office. Maire.
>
>
> Katy:
>
> My thought was "Why don't we ask her?" so I tried to look her up -- many
> authors have web sites or Facebook pages.
>
> Rhoda Edwards doesn't. I was able to find out very little about her. Maybe
> the back cover or introduction to one of her books has more.
>
> Her published works are listed as
>
> Some Touch of Pity
> Fortune's Wheel
> The Itinerary of King Richard III, 1483-1485
> None But Elizabeth
> The Broken Sword
>
> The Itinerary of King Richard III sounds intriguing. Has anyone read it?
>
> Katy
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

I meant the title! The title is evocative. It's the same book. Maire.

--- In , Richard Yahoo wrote:

They are the same books, yes? They don't have the same content?

If not I have to order STof P!!

Ishita Bandyo
www.ishitabandyo.com
www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com

On Dec 18, 2012, at 6:00 PM, "mairemulholland" wrote:

"Some Touch of Pity" is so much more evocative than "The Broken Sword." I first read it as a kid traveling to and from NYC by train on my first (hated) job. Thanks to Richard and Rhoda, I could forget myself for a while! Maire.

--- In , "George Butterfield" wrote:

Typically the titles are changed either because they are already in
copyright ISBN code or have a totally different meaning in another country.

George

From:
[mailto:] On Behalf Of mairemulholland
Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 2:26 PM
To:
Subject: Re: Rhoda Edwards WAS Richard's Scribes





Oh, yeah, it's a real tearjerker. I think "Some Touch of Pity" is the
British title. For some reason it was changed when published in the USA. Go
figure! Maire.

--- In
, Richard Yahoo wrote:

The Broken Sword and the Some Touch of Pity are the same books with
different names. I wonder why?!
Loved the Broken Sword but was too sad at the end:/

Ishita Bandyo
www.ishitabandyo.com
www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com

On Dec 18, 2012, at 1:19 PM, "oregon_katy" wrote:

--- In
, "mairemulholland" wrote:

I'm pretty sure that the characters of Robert Bolman and Richard Bele -
dramatised in Rhoda Edward's The Broken Sword were actual workers in
Richard's office. Maire.


Katy:

My thought was "Why don't we ask her?" so I tried to look her up -- many
authors have web sites or Facebook pages.

Rhoda Edwards doesn't. I was able to find out very little about her. Maybe
the back cover or introduction to one of her books has more.

Her published works are listed as

Some Touch of Pity
Fortune's Wheel
The Itinerary of King Richard III, 1483-1485
None But Elizabeth
The Broken Sword

The Itinerary of King Richard III sounds intriguing. Has anyone read it?

Katy

Lol. Got it!

Sent from my iPad

On Dec 18, 2012, at 6:50 PM, "mairemulholland" <mairemulholland@...> wrote:

> I meant the title! The title is evocative. It's the same book. Maire.
>
> --- In , Richard Yahoo wrote:
>
> They are the same books, yes? They don't have the same content?
>
> If not I have to order STof P!!
>
> Ishita Bandyo
> www.ishitabandyo.com
> www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
> www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
>
> On Dec 18, 2012, at 6:00 PM, "mairemulholland" wrote:
>
> "Some Touch of Pity" is so much more evocative than "The Broken Sword." I first read it as a kid traveling to and from NYC by train on my first (hated) job. Thanks to Richard and Rhoda, I could forget myself for a while! Maire.
>
> --- In , "George Butterfield" wrote:
>
> Typically the titles are changed either because they are already in
> copyright ISBN code or have a totally different meaning in another country.
>
> George
>
> From:
> [mailto:] On Behalf Of mairemulholland
> Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 2:26 PM
> To:
> Subject: Re: Rhoda Edwards WAS Richard's Scribes
>
>
>
>
>
> Oh, yeah, it's a real tearjerker. I think "Some Touch of Pity" is the
> British title. For some reason it was changed when published in the USA. Go
> figure! Maire.
>
> --- In
> , Richard Yahoo wrote:
>
> The Broken Sword and the Some Touch of Pity are the same books with
> different names. I wonder why?!
> Loved the Broken Sword but was too sad at the end:/
>
> Ishita Bandyo
> www.ishitabandyo.com
> www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
> www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
>
> On Dec 18, 2012, at 1:19 PM, "oregon_katy" wrote:
>
> --- In
> , "mairemulholland" wrote:
>
> I'm pretty sure that the characters of Robert Bolman and Richard Bele -
> dramatised in Rhoda Edward's The Broken Sword were actual workers in
> Richard's office. Maire.
>
>
> Katy:
>
> My thought was "Why don't we ask her?" so I tried to look her up -- many
> authors have web sites or Facebook pages.
>
> Rhoda Edwards doesn't. I was able to find out very little about her. Maybe
> the back cover or introduction to one of her books has more.
>
> Her published works are listed as
>
> Some Touch of Pity
> Fortune's Wheel
> The Itinerary of King Richard III, 1483-1485
> None But Elizabeth
> The Broken Sword
>
> The Itinerary of King Richard III sounds intriguing. Has anyone read it?
>
> Katy
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

--- In , "George Butterfield" wrote:

Typically the titles are changed either because they are already in
copyright ISBN code or have a totally different meaning in another country.

George

Katy:

I remember when I was looking through the vast Powell's City of Books in Portland and thought I had found a book in Patrick O'Brian's Jack Aubrey series that I had never seen before -- The Truelove.

Fortunately I couldn't wait to glance through it, because it turned out to be The Nutmeg of Consolation under a different title, and I already had a copy of that.

Faugh! (I believe that is Medieval Speak for phooey.)

Katy

I still say it is the best novel about Richard so far, and beats Sharon Penman's Sunne in Splendour into a cocked hat, as we say her in Blighty!
Paul

On 18 Dec 2012, at 23:00, mairemulholland wrote:

> "Some Touch of Pity" is so much more evocative than "The Broken Sword." I first read it as a kid traveling to and from NYC by train on my first (hated) job. Thanks to Richard and Rhoda, I could forget myself for a while! Maire.
>
> --- In , "George Butterfield" wrote:
>
> Typically the titles are changed either because they are already in
> copyright ISBN code or have a totally different meaning in another country.
>
> George
>
> From:
> [mailto:] On Behalf Of mairemulholland
> Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 2:26 PM
> To:
> Subject: Re: Rhoda Edwards WAS Richard's Scribes
>
>
>
>
>
> Oh, yeah, it's a real tearjerker. I think "Some Touch of Pity" is the
> British title. For some reason it was changed when published in the USA. Go
> figure! Maire.
>
> --- In
> , Richard Yahoo wrote:
>
> The Broken Sword and the Some Touch of Pity are the same books with
> different names. I wonder why?!
> Loved the Broken Sword but was too sad at the end:/
>
> Ishita Bandyo
> www.ishitabandyo.com
> www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
> www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
>
> On Dec 18, 2012, at 1:19 PM, "oregon_katy" wrote:
>
> --- In
> , "mairemulholland" wrote:
>
> I'm pretty sure that the characters of Robert Bolman and Richard Bele -
> dramatised in Rhoda Edward's The Broken Sword were actual workers in
> Richard's office. Maire.
>
>
> Katy:
>
> My thought was "Why don't we ask her?" so I tried to look her up -- many
> authors have web sites or Facebook pages.
>
> Rhoda Edwards doesn't. I was able to find out very little about her. Maybe
> the back cover or introduction to one of her books has more.
>
> Her published works are listed as
>
> Some Touch of Pity
> Fortune's Wheel
> The Itinerary of King Richard III, 1483-1485
> None But Elizabeth
> The Broken Sword
>
> The Itinerary of King Richard III sounds intriguing. Has anyone read it?
>
> Katy
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Richard Liveth Yet!

I'm going with Patrick Carleton's book. I reread one chapter last night which is a sort of "day in the life" of Richard. It follows him from waking to court procedures to deer hunting to a big gala in the evening. Just wonderful descriptions of medieval court life and intuitive insight into Richard's seriousness of purpose. Such a great book! Maire.

--- In , Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@...> wrote:
>
> I still say it is the best novel about Richard so far, and beats Sharon Penman's Sunne in Splendour into a cocked hat, as we say her in Blighty!
> Paul
>
> On 18 Dec 2012, at 23:00, mairemulholland wrote:
>
> > "Some Touch of Pity" is so much more evocative than "The Broken Sword." I first read it as a kid traveling to and from NYC by train on my first (hated) job. Thanks to Richard and Rhoda, I could forget myself for a while! Maire.
> >
> > --- In , "George Butterfield" wrote:
> >
> > Typically the titles are changed either because they are already in
> > copyright ISBN code or have a totally different meaning in another country.
> >
> > George
> >
> > From:
> > [mailto:] On Behalf Of mairemulholland
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 2:26 PM
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Rhoda Edwards WAS Richard's Scribes
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Oh, yeah, it's a real tearjerker. I think "Some Touch of Pity" is the
> > British title. For some reason it was changed when published in the USA. Go
> > figure! Maire.
> >
> > --- In
> > , Richard Yahoo wrote:
> >
> > The Broken Sword and the Some Touch of Pity are the same books with
> > different names. I wonder why?!
> > Loved the Broken Sword but was too sad at the end:/
> >
> > Ishita Bandyo
> > www.ishitabandyo.com
> > www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
> > www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
> >
> > On Dec 18, 2012, at 1:19 PM, "oregon_katy" wrote:
> >
> > --- In
> > , "mairemulholland" wrote:
> >
> > I'm pretty sure that the characters of Robert Bolman and Richard Bele -
> > dramatised in Rhoda Edward's The Broken Sword were actual workers in
> > Richard's office. Maire.
> >
> >
> > Katy:
> >
> > My thought was "Why don't we ask her?" so I tried to look her up -- many
> > authors have web sites or Facebook pages.
> >
> > Rhoda Edwards doesn't. I was able to find out very little about her. Maybe
> > the back cover or introduction to one of her books has more.
> >
> > Her published works are listed as
> >
> > Some Touch of Pity
> > Fortune's Wheel
> > The Itinerary of King Richard III, 1483-1485
> > None But Elizabeth
> > The Broken Sword
> >
> > The Itinerary of King Richard III sounds intriguing. Has anyone read it?
> >
> > Katy
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
> Richard Liveth Yet!
>

I absolutely LOVE Sunne in Splendor. It's this book that got me interested in Richard to start with!!

Ishita Bandyo
www.ishitabandyo.com
www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com

On Dec 19, 2012, at 5:47 AM, Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@...> wrote:

> I still say it is the best novel about Richard so far, and beats Sharon Penman's Sunne in Splendour into a cocked hat, as we say her in Blighty!
> Paul
>
> On 18 Dec 2012, at 23:00, mairemulholland wrote:
>
> > "Some Touch of Pity" is so much more evocative than "The Broken Sword." I first read it as a kid traveling to and from NYC by train on my first (hated) job. Thanks to Richard and Rhoda, I could forget myself for a while! Maire.
> >
> > --- In , "George Butterfield" wrote:
> >
> > Typically the titles are changed either because they are already in
> > copyright ISBN code or have a totally different meaning in another country.
> >
> > George
> >
> > From:
> > [mailto:] On Behalf Of mairemulholland
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 2:26 PM
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Rhoda Edwards WAS Richard's Scribes
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Oh, yeah, it's a real tearjerker. I think "Some Touch of Pity" is the
> > British title. For some reason it was changed when published in the USA. Go
> > figure! Maire.
> >
> > --- In
> > , Richard Yahoo wrote:
> >
> > The Broken Sword and the Some Touch of Pity are the same books with
> > different names. I wonder why?!
> > Loved the Broken Sword but was too sad at the end:/
> >
> > Ishita Bandyo
> > www.ishitabandyo.com
> > www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
> > www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
> >
> > On Dec 18, 2012, at 1:19 PM, "oregon_katy" wrote:
> >
> > --- In
> > , "mairemulholland" wrote:
> >
> > I'm pretty sure that the characters of Robert Bolman and Richard Bele -
> > dramatised in Rhoda Edward's The Broken Sword were actual workers in
> > Richard's office. Maire.
> >
> >
> > Katy:
> >
> > My thought was "Why don't we ask her?" so I tried to look her up -- many
> > authors have web sites or Facebook pages.
> >
> > Rhoda Edwards doesn't. I was able to find out very little about her. Maybe
> > the back cover or introduction to one of her books has more.
> >
> > Her published works are listed as
> >
> > Some Touch of Pity
> > Fortune's Wheel
> > The Itinerary of King Richard III, 1483-1485
> > None But Elizabeth
> > The Broken Sword
> >
> > The Itinerary of King Richard III sounds intriguing. Has anyone read it?
> >
> > Katy
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
> Richard Liveth Yet!
>
>

Maire...Im glad you too are enjoying Patrick Carleton's 'Under the Hog"....I am always banging on about it on here....It is a little dated in parts as it was written in the 1930s but some of the descriptions/conversations just absolutely cannot be beat...Eileen

--- In , "mairemulholland" <mairemulholland@...> wrote:
>
> I'm going with Patrick Carleton's book. I reread one chapter last night which is a sort of "day in the life" of Richard. It follows him from waking to court procedures to deer hunting to a big gala in the evening. Just wonderful descriptions of medieval court life and intuitive insight into Richard's seriousness of purpose. Such a great book! Maire.
>
> --- In , Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@> wrote:
> >
> > I still say it is the best novel about Richard so far, and beats Sharon Penman's Sunne in Splendour into a cocked hat, as we say her in Blighty!
> > Paul
> >
> > On 18 Dec 2012, at 23:00, mairemulholland wrote:
> >
> > > "Some Touch of Pity" is so much more evocative than "The Broken Sword." I first read it as a kid traveling to and from NYC by train on my first (hated) job. Thanks to Richard and Rhoda, I could forget myself for a while! Maire.
> > >
> > > --- In , "George Butterfield" wrote:
> > >
> > > Typically the titles are changed either because they are already in
> > > copyright ISBN code or have a totally different meaning in another country.
> > >
> > > George
> > >
> > > From:
> > > [mailto:] On Behalf Of mairemulholland
> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 2:26 PM
> > > To:
> > > Subject: Re: Rhoda Edwards WAS Richard's Scribes
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Oh, yeah, it's a real tearjerker. I think "Some Touch of Pity" is the
> > > British title. For some reason it was changed when published in the USA. Go
> > > figure! Maire.
> > >
> > > --- In
> > > , Richard Yahoo wrote:
> > >
> > > The Broken Sword and the Some Touch of Pity are the same books with
> > > different names. I wonder why?!
> > > Loved the Broken Sword but was too sad at the end:/
> > >
> > > Ishita Bandyo
> > > www.ishitabandyo.com
> > > www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
> > > www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
> > >
> > > On Dec 18, 2012, at 1:19 PM, "oregon_katy" wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In
> > > , "mairemulholland" wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm pretty sure that the characters of Robert Bolman and Richard Bele -
> > > dramatised in Rhoda Edward's The Broken Sword were actual workers in
> > > Richard's office. Maire.
> > >
> > >
> > > Katy:
> > >
> > > My thought was "Why don't we ask her?" so I tried to look her up -- many
> > > authors have web sites or Facebook pages.
> > >
> > > Rhoda Edwards doesn't. I was able to find out very little about her. Maybe
> > > the back cover or introduction to one of her books has more.
> > >
> > > Her published works are listed as
> > >
> > > Some Touch of Pity
> > > Fortune's Wheel
> > > The Itinerary of King Richard III, 1483-1485
> > > None But Elizabeth
> > > The Broken Sword
> > >
> > > The Itinerary of King Richard III sounds intriguing. Has anyone read it?
> > >
> > > Katy
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Richard Liveth Yet!
> >
>

Agree with you Paul....a smashing book. Particularly the scenes where Richard attempts to encourage Anne after their son's death...Whew...cannot read that without eyes watering.....Eileen

--- In , Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@...> wrote:
>
> I still say it is the best novel about Richard so far, and beats Sharon Penman's Sunne in Splendour into a cocked hat, as we say her in Blighty!
> Paul
>
> On 18 Dec 2012, at 23:00, mairemulholland wrote:
>
> > "Some Touch of Pity" is so much more evocative than "The Broken Sword." I first read it as a kid traveling to and from NYC by train on my first (hated) job. Thanks to Richard and Rhoda, I could forget myself for a while! Maire.
> >
> > --- In , "George Butterfield" wrote:
> >
> > Typically the titles are changed either because they are already in
> > copyright ISBN code or have a totally different meaning in another country.
> >
> > George
> >
> > From:
> > [mailto:] On Behalf Of mairemulholland
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 2:26 PM
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Rhoda Edwards WAS Richard's Scribes
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Oh, yeah, it's a real tearjerker. I think "Some Touch of Pity" is the
> > British title. For some reason it was changed when published in the USA. Go
> > figure! Maire.
> >
> > --- In
> > , Richard Yahoo wrote:
> >
> > The Broken Sword and the Some Touch of Pity are the same books with
> > different names. I wonder why?!
> > Loved the Broken Sword but was too sad at the end:/
> >
> > Ishita Bandyo
> > www.ishitabandyo.com
> > www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
> > www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
> >
> > On Dec 18, 2012, at 1:19 PM, "oregon_katy" wrote:
> >
> > --- In
> > , "mairemulholland" wrote:
> >
> > I'm pretty sure that the characters of Robert Bolman and Richard Bele -
> > dramatised in Rhoda Edward's The Broken Sword were actual workers in
> > Richard's office. Maire.
> >
> >
> > Katy:
> >
> > My thought was "Why don't we ask her?" so I tried to look her up -- many
> > authors have web sites or Facebook pages.
> >
> > Rhoda Edwards doesn't. I was able to find out very little about her. Maybe
> > the back cover or introduction to one of her books has more.
> >
> > Her published works are listed as
> >
> > Some Touch of Pity
> > Fortune's Wheel
> > The Itinerary of King Richard III, 1483-1485
> > None But Elizabeth
> > The Broken Sword
> >
> > The Itinerary of King Richard III sounds intriguing. Has anyone read it?
> >
> > Katy
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
> Richard Liveth Yet!
>

Can you tell me some of the things that are dated? I know the book has a controversial point of view on the fate of the princes but even that is handled so masterfully that you really almost understand Richard's point of view. My only complaint about the book is that it ends very abruptly without any consideration from the surviving characters. Maire.
--- In , "EileenB" <cherryripe.eileenb@...> wrote:
>
> Maire...Im glad you too are enjoying Patrick Carleton's 'Under the Hog"....I am always banging on about it on here....It is a little dated in parts as it was written in the 1930s but some of the descriptions/conversations just absolutely cannot be beat...Eileen
>
> --- In , "mairemulholland" <mairemulholland@> wrote:
> >
> > I'm going with Patrick Carleton's book. I reread one chapter last night which is a sort of "day in the life" of Richard. It follows him from waking to court procedures to deer hunting to a big gala in the evening. Just wonderful descriptions of medieval court life and intuitive insight into Richard's seriousness of purpose. Such a great book! Maire.
> >
> > --- In , Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I still say it is the best novel about Richard so far, and beats Sharon Penman's Sunne in Splendour into a cocked hat, as we say her in Blighty!
> > > Paul
> > >
> > > On 18 Dec 2012, at 23:00, mairemulholland wrote:
> > >
> > > > "Some Touch of Pity" is so much more evocative than "The Broken Sword." I first read it as a kid traveling to and from NYC by train on my first (hated) job. Thanks to Richard and Rhoda, I could forget myself for a while! Maire.
> > > >
> > > > --- In , "George Butterfield" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Typically the titles are changed either because they are already in
> > > > copyright ISBN code or have a totally different meaning in another country.
> > > >
> > > > George
> > > >
> > > > From:
> > > > [mailto:] On Behalf Of mairemulholland
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 2:26 PM
> > > > To:
> > > > Subject: Re: Rhoda Edwards WAS Richard's Scribes
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Oh, yeah, it's a real tearjerker. I think "Some Touch of Pity" is the
> > > > British title. For some reason it was changed when published in the USA. Go
> > > > figure! Maire.
> > > >
> > > > --- In
> > > > , Richard Yahoo wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The Broken Sword and the Some Touch of Pity are the same books with
> > > > different names. I wonder why?!
> > > > Loved the Broken Sword but was too sad at the end:/
> > > >
> > > > Ishita Bandyo
> > > > www.ishitabandyo.com
> > > > www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
> > > > www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
> > > >
> > > > On Dec 18, 2012, at 1:19 PM, "oregon_katy" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In
> > > > , "mairemulholland" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I'm pretty sure that the characters of Robert Bolman and Richard Bele -
> > > > dramatised in Rhoda Edward's The Broken Sword were actual workers in
> > > > Richard's office. Maire.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Katy:
> > > >
> > > > My thought was "Why don't we ask her?" so I tried to look her up -- many
> > > > authors have web sites or Facebook pages.
> > > >
> > > > Rhoda Edwards doesn't. I was able to find out very little about her. Maybe
> > > > the back cover or introduction to one of her books has more.
> > > >
> > > > Her published works are listed as
> > > >
> > > > Some Touch of Pity
> > > > Fortune's Wheel
> > > > The Itinerary of King Richard III, 1483-1485
> > > > None But Elizabeth
> > > > The Broken Sword
> > > >
> > > > The Itinerary of King Richard III sounds intriguing. Has anyone read it?
> > > >
> > > > Katy
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Richard Liveth Yet!
> > >
> >
>

Maire...perhaps 'dated' is the wrong word...but a couple of time the descriptions of Richard as being small/little etc., I found momentarily toe curlingly embarrassing and rather odd. I dont think you would find these types of descriptions in a modern novel..This is what a mean by dated...However...If you can bear with this and not let such little...well teeny faults...turn you off the book is a thunderingly good read and amongst the best of Ricardian novels...Eileen

--- In , "mairemulholland" <mairemulholland@...> wrote:
>
>
> Can you tell me some of the things that are dated? I know the book has a controversial point of view on the fate of the princes but even that is handled so masterfully that you really almost understand Richard's point of view. My only complaint about the book is that it ends very abruptly without any consideration from the surviving characters. Maire.
> --- In , "EileenB" <cherryripe.eileenb@> wrote:
> >
> > Maire...Im glad you too are enjoying Patrick Carleton's 'Under the Hog"....I am always banging on about it on here....It is a little dated in parts as it was written in the 1930s but some of the descriptions/conversations just absolutely cannot be beat...Eileen
> >
> > --- In , "mairemulholland" <mairemulholland@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm going with Patrick Carleton's book. I reread one chapter last night which is a sort of "day in the life" of Richard. It follows him from waking to court procedures to deer hunting to a big gala in the evening. Just wonderful descriptions of medieval court life and intuitive insight into Richard's seriousness of purpose. Such a great book! Maire.
> > >
> > > --- In , Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I still say it is the best novel about Richard so far, and beats Sharon Penman's Sunne in Splendour into a cocked hat, as we say her in Blighty!
> > > > Paul
> > > >
> > > > On 18 Dec 2012, at 23:00, mairemulholland wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > "Some Touch of Pity" is so much more evocative than "The Broken Sword." I first read it as a kid traveling to and from NYC by train on my first (hated) job. Thanks to Richard and Rhoda, I could forget myself for a while! Maire.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In , "George Butterfield" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Typically the titles are changed either because they are already in
> > > > > copyright ISBN code or have a totally different meaning in another country.
> > > > >
> > > > > George
> > > > >
> > > > > From:
> > > > > [mailto:] On Behalf Of mairemulholland
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 2:26 PM
> > > > > To:
> > > > > Subject: Re: Rhoda Edwards WAS Richard's Scribes
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Oh, yeah, it's a real tearjerker. I think "Some Touch of Pity" is the
> > > > > British title. For some reason it was changed when published in the USA. Go
> > > > > figure! Maire.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In
> > > > > , Richard Yahoo wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > The Broken Sword and the Some Touch of Pity are the same books with
> > > > > different names. I wonder why?!
> > > > > Loved the Broken Sword but was too sad at the end:/
> > > > >
> > > > > Ishita Bandyo
> > > > > www.ishitabandyo.com
> > > > > www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
> > > > > www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
> > > > >
> > > > > On Dec 18, 2012, at 1:19 PM, "oregon_katy" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In
> > > > > , "mairemulholland" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm pretty sure that the characters of Robert Bolman and Richard Bele -
> > > > > dramatised in Rhoda Edward's The Broken Sword were actual workers in
> > > > > Richard's office. Maire.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Katy:
> > > > >
> > > > > My thought was "Why don't we ask her?" so I tried to look her up -- many
> > > > > authors have web sites or Facebook pages.
> > > > >
> > > > > Rhoda Edwards doesn't. I was able to find out very little about her. Maybe
> > > > > the back cover or introduction to one of her books has more.
> > > > >
> > > > > Her published works are listed as
> > > > >
> > > > > Some Touch of Pity
> > > > > Fortune's Wheel
> > > > > The Itinerary of King Richard III, 1483-1485
> > > > > None But Elizabeth
> > > > > The Broken Sword
> > > > >
> > > > > The Itinerary of King Richard III sounds intriguing. Has anyone read it?
> > > > >
> > > > > Katy
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ------------------------------------
> > > > >
> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Richard Liveth Yet!
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Eileen, those are the things that put me off. But I will definitely finish it now.
 My most fav is of course Sunne in Splendor and Some Touch of Pity is second. Third is so far The Seventh Son. And worst on my list is Dickon!! Could not get over the devil thing:/




________________________________
From: EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@...>
To:
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 11:31 AM
Subject: Re: Rhoda Edwards WAS Richard's Scribes


 
Maire...perhaps 'dated' is the wrong word...but a couple of time the descriptions of Richard as being small/little etc., I found momentarily toe curlingly embarrassing and rather odd. I dont think you would find these types of descriptions in a modern novel..This is what a mean by dated...However...If you can bear with this and not let such little...well teeny faults...turn you off the book is a thunderingly good read and amongst the best of Ricardian novels...Eileen

--- In , "mairemulholland" <mairemulholland@...> wrote:
>
>
> Can you tell me some of the things that are dated? I know the book has a controversial point of view on the fate of the princes but even that is handled so masterfully that you really almost understand Richard's point of view. My only complaint about the book is that it ends very abruptly without any consideration from the surviving characters. Maire.
> --- In , "EileenB" <cherryripe.eileenb@> wrote:
> >
> > Maire...Im glad you too are enjoying Patrick Carleton's 'Under the Hog"....I am always banging on about it on here....It is a little dated in parts as it was written in the 1930s but some of the descriptions/conversations just absolutely cannot be beat...Eileen
> >
> > --- In , "mairemulholland" <mairemulholland@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm going with Patrick Carleton's book. I reread one chapter last night which is a sort of "day in the life" of Richard. It follows him from waking to court procedures to deer hunting to a big gala in the evening. Just wonderful descriptions of medieval court life and intuitive insight into Richard's seriousness of purpose. Such a great book! Maire.
> > >
> > > --- In , Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I still say it is the best novel about Richard so far, and beats Sharon Penman's Sunne in Splendour into a cocked hat, as we say her in Blighty!
> > > > Paul
> > > >
> > > > On 18 Dec 2012, at 23:00, mairemulholland wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > "Some Touch of Pity" is so much more evocative than "The Broken Sword." I first read it as a kid traveling to and from NYC by train on my first (hated) job. Thanks to Richard and Rhoda, I could forget myself for a while! Maire.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In , "George Butterfield" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Typically the titles are changed either because they are already in
> > > > > copyright ISBN code or have a totally different meaning in another country.
> > > > >
> > > > > George
> > > > >
> > > > > From:
> > > > > [mailto:] On Behalf Of mairemulholland
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 2:26 PM
> > > > > To:
> > > > > Subject: Re: Rhoda Edwards WAS Richard's Scribes
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Oh, yeah, it's a real tearjerker. I think "Some Touch of Pity" is the
> > > > > British title. For some reason it was changed when published in the USA. Go
> > > > > figure! Maire.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In
> > > > > , Richard Yahoo wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > The Broken Sword and the Some Touch of Pity are the same books with
> > > > > different names. I wonder why?!
> > > > > Loved the Broken Sword but was too sad at the end:/
> > > > >
> > > > > Ishita Bandyo
> > > > > www.ishitabandyo.com
> > > > > www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
> > > > > www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
> > > > >
> > > > > On Dec 18, 2012, at 1:19 PM, "oregon_katy" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In
> > > > > , "mairemulholland" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm pretty sure that the characters of Robert Bolman and Richard Bele -
> > > > > dramatised in Rhoda Edward's The Broken Sword were actual workers in
> > > > > Richard's office. Maire.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Katy:
> > > > >
> > > > > My thought was "Why don't we ask her?" so I tried to look her up -- many
> > > > > authors have web sites or Facebook pages.
> > > > >
> > > > > Rhoda Edwards doesn't. I was able to find out very little about her. Maybe
> > > > > the back cover or introduction to one of her books has more.
> > > > >
> > > > > Her published works are listed as
> > > > >
> > > > > Some Touch of Pity
> > > > > Fortune's Wheel
> > > > > The Itinerary of King Richard III, 1483-1485
> > > > > None But Elizabeth
> > > > > The Broken Sword
> > > > >
> > > > > The Itinerary of King Richard III sounds intriguing. Has anyone read it?
> > > > >
> > > > > Katy
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ------------------------------------
> > > > >
> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Richard Liveth Yet!
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

I finally got a copy of Touch of Pity, and I do like it a lot. I'll always have fond memories of We Speak No Treason, since it was the very first Ricardian novel I ever read, unless you include Daughter of Time. Some folks find Jarman's prose too flowery, but for a young woman (which I was at the time) it struck all the right emotional chords. I refrain from rereading it, since I'm apt to be at least somewhat disappointed.

Judy
 
Loyaulte me lie


________________________________
From: Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@...>
To:
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 4:47 AM
Subject: Re: Rhoda Edwards WAS Richard's Scribes


 
I still say it is the best novel about Richard so far, and beats Sharon Penman's Sunne in Splendour into a cocked hat, as we say her in Blighty!
Paul

On 18 Dec 2012, at 23:00, mairemulholland wrote:

> "Some Touch of Pity" is so much more evocative than "The Broken Sword." I first read it as a kid traveling to and from NYC by train on my first (hated) job. Thanks to Richard and Rhoda, I could forget myself for a while! Maire.
>
> --- In , "George Butterfield" wrote:
>
> Typically the titles are changed either because they are already in
> copyright ISBN code or have a totally different meaning in another country.
>
> George
>
> From:
> [mailto:] On Behalf Of mairemulholland
> Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 2:26 PM
> To:
> Subject: Re: Rhoda Edwards WAS Richard's Scribes
>
>
>
>
>
> Oh, yeah, it's a real tearjerker. I think "Some Touch of Pity" is the
> British title. For some reason it was changed when published in the USA. Go
> figure! Maire.
>
> --- In
> , Richard Yahoo wrote:
>
> The Broken Sword and the Some Touch of Pity are the same books with
> different names. I wonder why?!
> Loved the Broken Sword but was too sad at the end:/
>
> Ishita Bandyo
> www.ishitabandyo.com
> www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
> www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
>
> On Dec 18, 2012, at 1:19 PM, "oregon_katy" wrote:
>
> --- In
> , "mairemulholland" wrote:
>
> I'm pretty sure that the characters of Robert Bolman and Richard Bele -
> dramatised in Rhoda Edward's The Broken Sword were actual workers in
> Richard's office. Maire.
>
>
> Katy:
>
> My thought was "Why don't we ask her?" so I tried to look her up -- many
> authors have web sites or Facebook pages.
>
> Rhoda Edwards doesn't. I was able to find out very little about her. Maybe
> the back cover or introduction to one of her books has more.
>
> Her published works are listed as
>
> Some Touch of Pity
> Fortune's Wheel
> The Itinerary of King Richard III, 1483-1485
> None But Elizabeth
> The Broken Sword
>
> The Itinerary of King Richard III sounds intriguing. Has anyone read it?
>
> Katy
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Richard Liveth Yet!

I loved "We Speak No Treason," particularly the section called "A Man of Keen Sight." Maire.

--- In , Ishita Bandyo <bandyoi@...> wrote:
>
> Eileen, those are the things that put me off. But I will definitely finish it now.
>  My most fav is of course Sunne in Splendor and Some Touch of Pity is second. Third is so far The Seventh Son. And worst on my list is Dickon!! Could not get over the devil thing:/
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@...>
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 11:31 AM
> Subject: Re: Rhoda Edwards WAS Richard's Scribes
>
>
>  
> Maire...perhaps 'dated' is the wrong word...but a couple of time the descriptions of Richard as being small/little etc., I found momentarily toe curlingly embarrassing and rather odd. I dont think you would find these types of descriptions in a modern novel..This is what a mean by dated...However...If you can bear with this and not let such little...well teeny faults...turn you off the book is a thunderingly good read and amongst the best of Ricardian novels...Eileen
>
> --- In , "mairemulholland" <mairemulholland@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Can you tell me some of the things that are dated? I know the book has a controversial point of view on the fate of the princes but even that is handled so masterfully that you really almost understand Richard's point of view. My only complaint about the book is that it ends very abruptly without any consideration from the surviving characters. Maire.
> > --- In , "EileenB" <cherryripe.eileenb@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Maire...Im glad you too are enjoying Patrick Carleton's 'Under the Hog"....I am always banging on about it on here....It is a little dated in parts as it was written in the 1930s but some of the descriptions/conversations just absolutely cannot be beat...Eileen
> > >
> > > --- In , "mairemulholland" <mairemulholland@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I'm going with Patrick Carleton's book. I reread one chapter last night which is a sort of "day in the life" of Richard. It follows him from waking to court procedures to deer hunting to a big gala in the evening. Just wonderful descriptions of medieval court life and intuitive insight into Richard's seriousness of purpose. Such a great book! Maire.
> > > >
> > > > --- In , Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I still say it is the best novel about Richard so far, and beats Sharon Penman's Sunne in Splendour into a cocked hat, as we say her in Blighty!
> > > > > Paul
> > > > >
> > > > > On 18 Dec 2012, at 23:00, mairemulholland wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > "Some Touch of Pity" is so much more evocative than "The Broken Sword." I first read it as a kid traveling to and from NYC by train on my first (hated) job. Thanks to Richard and Rhoda, I could forget myself for a while! Maire.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In , "George Butterfield" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Typically the titles are changed either because they are already in
> > > > > > copyright ISBN code or have a totally different meaning in another country.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > George
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From:
> > > > > > [mailto:] On Behalf Of mairemulholland
> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 2:26 PM
> > > > > > To:
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Rhoda Edwards WAS Richard's Scribes
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Oh, yeah, it's a real tearjerker. I think "Some Touch of Pity" is the
> > > > > > British title. For some reason it was changed when published in the USA. Go
> > > > > > figure! Maire.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In
> > > > > > , Richard Yahoo wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The Broken Sword and the Some Touch of Pity are the same books with
> > > > > > different names. I wonder why?!
> > > > > > Loved the Broken Sword but was too sad at the end:/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ishita Bandyo
> > > > > > www.ishitabandyo.com
> > > > > > www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
> > > > > > www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Dec 18, 2012, at 1:19 PM, "oregon_katy" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In
> > > > > > , "mairemulholland" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm pretty sure that the characters of Robert Bolman and Richard Bele -
> > > > > > dramatised in Rhoda Edward's The Broken Sword were actual workers in
> > > > > > Richard's office. Maire.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Katy:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My thought was "Why don't we ask her?" so I tried to look her up -- many
> > > > > > authors have web sites or Facebook pages.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Rhoda Edwards doesn't. I was able to find out very little about her. Maybe
> > > > > > the back cover or introduction to one of her books has more.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Her published works are listed as
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Some Touch of Pity
> > > > > > Fortune's Wheel
> > > > > > The Itinerary of King Richard III, 1483-1485
> > > > > > None But Elizabeth
> > > > > > The Broken Sword
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The Itinerary of King Richard III sounds intriguing. Has anyone read it?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Katy
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ------------------------------------
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Richard Liveth Yet!
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>

My top Ricardian fiction reads are - We Speak No Treason, The Sunne in Splendour, Some Touch of Pity, and the playscript for Dickon by Gordon Daviot/Josephine Tey.

I have yet to read the Carleton but it sounds good.
I also like The Killing of Richard III by Robert Farrington

I dislike The Seventh Son.

--- In , Ishita Bandyo <bandyoi@...> wrote:
>
> Eileen, those are the things that put me off. But I will definitely finish it now.
>  My most fav is of course Sunne in Splendor and Some Touch of Pity is second. Third is so far The Seventh Son. And worst on my list is Dickon!! Could not get over the devil thing:/
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@...>
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 11:31 AM
> Subject: Re: Rhoda Edwards WAS Richard's Scribes
>
>
>  
> Maire...perhaps 'dated' is the wrong word...but a couple of time the descriptions of Richard as being small/little etc., I found momentarily toe curlingly embarrassing and rather odd. I dont think you would find these types of descriptions in a modern novel..This is what a mean by dated...However...If you can bear with this and not let such little...well teeny faults...turn you off the book is a thunderingly good read and amongst the best of Ricardian novels...Eileen
>
> --- In , "mairemulholland" <mairemulholland@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Can you tell me some of the things that are dated? I know the book has a controversial point of view on the fate of the princes but even that is handled so masterfully that you really almost understand Richard's point of view. My only complaint about the book is that it ends very abruptly without any consideration from the surviving characters. Maire.
> > --- In , "EileenB" <cherryripe.eileenb@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Maire...Im glad you too are enjoying Patrick Carleton's 'Under the Hog"....I am always banging on about it on here....It is a little dated in parts as it was written in the 1930s but some of the descriptions/conversations just absolutely cannot be beat...Eileen
> > >
> > > --- In , "mairemulholland" <mairemulholland@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I'm going with Patrick Carleton's book. I reread one chapter last night which is a sort of "day in the life" of Richard. It follows him from waking to court procedures to deer hunting to a big gala in the evening. Just wonderful descriptions of medieval court life and intuitive insight into Richard's seriousness of purpose. Such a great book! Maire.
> > > >
> > > > --- In , Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I still say it is the best novel about Richard so far, and beats Sharon Penman's Sunne in Splendour into a cocked hat, as we say her in Blighty!
> > > > > Paul
> > > > >
> > > > > On 18 Dec 2012, at 23:00, mairemulholland wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > "Some Touch of Pity" is so much more evocative than "The Broken Sword." I first read it as a kid traveling to and from NYC by train on my first (hated) job. Thanks to Richard and Rhoda, I could forget myself for a while! Maire.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In , "George Butterfield" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Typically the titles are changed either because they are already in
> > > > > > copyright ISBN code or have a totally different meaning in another country.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > George
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From:
> > > > > > [mailto:] On Behalf Of mairemulholland
> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 2:26 PM
> > > > > > To:
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Rhoda Edwards WAS Richard's Scribes
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Oh, yeah, it's a real tearjerker. I think "Some Touch of Pity" is the
> > > > > > British title. For some reason it was changed when published in the USA. Go
> > > > > > figure! Maire.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In
> > > > > > , Richard Yahoo wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The Broken Sword and the Some Touch of Pity are the same books with
> > > > > > different names. I wonder why?!
> > > > > > Loved the Broken Sword but was too sad at the end:/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ishita Bandyo
> > > > > > www.ishitabandyo.com
> > > > > > www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
> > > > > > www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Dec 18, 2012, at 1:19 PM, "oregon_katy" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In
> > > > > > , "mairemulholland" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm pretty sure that the characters of Robert Bolman and Richard Bele -
> > > > > > dramatised in Rhoda Edward's The Broken Sword were actual workers in
> > > > > > Richard's office. Maire.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Katy:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My thought was "Why don't we ask her?" so I tried to look her up -- many
> > > > > > authors have web sites or Facebook pages.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Rhoda Edwards doesn't. I was able to find out very little about her. Maybe
> > > > > > the back cover or introduction to one of her books has more.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Her published works are listed as
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Some Touch of Pity
> > > > > > Fortune's Wheel
> > > > > > The Itinerary of King Richard III, 1483-1485
> > > > > > None But Elizabeth
> > > > > > The Broken Sword
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The Itinerary of King Richard III sounds intriguing. Has anyone read it?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Katy
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ------------------------------------
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Richard Liveth Yet!
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>

Oh, see, I don't mind the shortness aspect of Richard's description. In fact, I'm gonna be disappointed if it turns out Richard was of medium or tall height.

The descriptions of his face and particularly his eyes in Under the Hog are very well done. I just felt this book captured something really true about the man! Maire.

--- In , "EileenB" <cherryripe.eileenb@...> wrote:
>
> Maire...perhaps 'dated' is the wrong word...but a couple of time the descriptions of Richard as being small/little etc., I found momentarily toe curlingly embarrassing and rather odd. I dont think you would find these types of descriptions in a modern novel..This is what a mean by dated...However...If you can bear with this and not let such little...well teeny faults...turn you off the book is a thunderingly good read and amongst the best of Ricardian novels...Eileen
>
> --- In , "mairemulholland" <mairemulholland@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Can you tell me some of the things that are dated? I know the book has a controversial point of view on the fate of the princes but even that is handled so masterfully that you really almost understand Richard's point of view. My only complaint about the book is that it ends very abruptly without any consideration from the surviving characters. Maire.
> > --- In , "EileenB" <cherryripe.eileenb@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Maire...Im glad you too are enjoying Patrick Carleton's 'Under the Hog"....I am always banging on about it on here....It is a little dated in parts as it was written in the 1930s but some of the descriptions/conversations just absolutely cannot be beat...Eileen
> > >
> > > --- In , "mairemulholland" <mairemulholland@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I'm going with Patrick Carleton's book. I reread one chapter last night which is a sort of "day in the life" of Richard. It follows him from waking to court procedures to deer hunting to a big gala in the evening. Just wonderful descriptions of medieval court life and intuitive insight into Richard's seriousness of purpose. Such a great book! Maire.
> > > >
> > > > --- In , Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I still say it is the best novel about Richard so far, and beats Sharon Penman's Sunne in Splendour into a cocked hat, as we say her in Blighty!
> > > > > Paul
> > > > >
> > > > > On 18 Dec 2012, at 23:00, mairemulholland wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > "Some Touch of Pity" is so much more evocative than "The Broken Sword." I first read it as a kid traveling to and from NYC by train on my first (hated) job. Thanks to Richard and Rhoda, I could forget myself for a while! Maire.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In , "George Butterfield" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Typically the titles are changed either because they are already in
> > > > > > copyright ISBN code or have a totally different meaning in another country.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > George
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From:
> > > > > > [mailto:] On Behalf Of mairemulholland
> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 2:26 PM
> > > > > > To:
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Rhoda Edwards WAS Richard's Scribes
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Oh, yeah, it's a real tearjerker. I think "Some Touch of Pity" is the
> > > > > > British title. For some reason it was changed when published in the USA. Go
> > > > > > figure! Maire.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In
> > > > > > , Richard Yahoo wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The Broken Sword and the Some Touch of Pity are the same books with
> > > > > > different names. I wonder why?!
> > > > > > Loved the Broken Sword but was too sad at the end:/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ishita Bandyo
> > > > > > www.ishitabandyo.com
> > > > > > www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
> > > > > > www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Dec 18, 2012, at 1:19 PM, "oregon_katy" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In
> > > > > > , "mairemulholland" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm pretty sure that the characters of Robert Bolman and Richard Bele -
> > > > > > dramatised in Rhoda Edward's The Broken Sword were actual workers in
> > > > > > Richard's office. Maire.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Katy:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My thought was "Why don't we ask her?" so I tried to look her up -- many
> > > > > > authors have web sites or Facebook pages.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Rhoda Edwards doesn't. I was able to find out very little about her. Maybe
> > > > > > the back cover or introduction to one of her books has more.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Her published works are listed as
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Some Touch of Pity
> > > > > > Fortune's Wheel
> > > > > > The Itinerary of King Richard III, 1483-1485
> > > > > > None But Elizabeth
> > > > > > The Broken Sword
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The Itinerary of King Richard III sounds intriguing. Has anyone read it?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Katy
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ------------------------------------
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Richard Liveth Yet!
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Ishita...its always a good idea to also hear about those that people don't like...It might save some of us a bit of money :0) Eileen

--- In , Ishita Bandyo <bandyoi@...> wrote:
>
> Eileen, those are the things that put me off. But I will definitely finish it now.
>  My most fav is of course Sunne in Splendor and Some Touch of Pity is second. Third is so far The Seventh Son. And worst on my list is Dickon!! Could not get over the devil thing:/
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@...>
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 11:31 AM
> Subject: Re: Rhoda Edwards WAS Richard's Scribes
>
>
>  
> Maire...perhaps 'dated' is the wrong word...but a couple of time the descriptions of Richard as being small/little etc., I found momentarily toe curlingly embarrassing and rather odd. I dont think you would find these types of descriptions in a modern novel..This is what a mean by dated...However...If you can bear with this and not let such little...well teeny faults...turn you off the book is a thunderingly good read and amongst the best of Ricardian novels...Eileen
>
> --- In , "mairemulholland" <mairemulholland@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Can you tell me some of the things that are dated? I know the book has a controversial point of view on the fate of the princes but even that is handled so masterfully that you really almost understand Richard's point of view. My only complaint about the book is that it ends very abruptly without any consideration from the surviving characters. Maire.
> > --- In , "EileenB" <cherryripe.eileenb@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Maire...Im glad you too are enjoying Patrick Carleton's 'Under the Hog"....I am always banging on about it on here....It is a little dated in parts as it was written in the 1930s but some of the descriptions/conversations just absolutely cannot be beat...Eileen
> > >
> > > --- In , "mairemulholland" <mairemulholland@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I'm going with Patrick Carleton's book. I reread one chapter last night which is a sort of "day in the life" of Richard. It follows him from waking to court procedures to deer hunting to a big gala in the evening. Just wonderful descriptions of medieval court life and intuitive insight into Richard's seriousness of purpose. Such a great book! Maire.
> > > >
> > > > --- In , Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I still say it is the best novel about Richard so far, and beats Sharon Penman's Sunne in Splendour into a cocked hat, as we say her in Blighty!
> > > > > Paul
> > > > >
> > > > > On 18 Dec 2012, at 23:00, mairemulholland wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > "Some Touch of Pity" is so much more evocative than "The Broken Sword." I first read it as a kid traveling to and from NYC by train on my first (hated) job. Thanks to Richard and Rhoda, I could forget myself for a while! Maire.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In , "George Butterfield" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Typically the titles are changed either because they are already in
> > > > > > copyright ISBN code or have a totally different meaning in another country.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > George
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From:
> > > > > > [mailto:] On Behalf Of mairemulholland
> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 2:26 PM
> > > > > > To:
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Rhoda Edwards WAS Richard's Scribes
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Oh, yeah, it's a real tearjerker. I think "Some Touch of Pity" is the
> > > > > > British title. For some reason it was changed when published in the USA. Go
> > > > > > figure! Maire.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In
> > > > > > , Richard Yahoo wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The Broken Sword and the Some Touch of Pity are the same books with
> > > > > > different names. I wonder why?!
> > > > > > Loved the Broken Sword but was too sad at the end:/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ishita Bandyo
> > > > > > www.ishitabandyo.com
> > > > > > www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
> > > > > > www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Dec 18, 2012, at 1:19 PM, "oregon_katy" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In
> > > > > > , "mairemulholland" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm pretty sure that the characters of Robert Bolman and Richard Bele -
> > > > > > dramatised in Rhoda Edward's The Broken Sword were actual workers in
> > > > > > Richard's office. Maire.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Katy:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My thought was "Why don't we ask her?" so I tried to look her up -- many
> > > > > > authors have web sites or Facebook pages.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Rhoda Edwards doesn't. I was able to find out very little about her. Maybe
> > > > > > the back cover or introduction to one of her books has more.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Her published works are listed as
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Some Touch of Pity
> > > > > > Fortune's Wheel
> > > > > > The Itinerary of King Richard III, 1483-1485
> > > > > > None But Elizabeth
> > > > > > The Broken Sword
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The Itinerary of King Richard III sounds intriguing. Has anyone read it?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Katy
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ------------------------------------
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Richard Liveth Yet!
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>

Whatever you do DON'T read Kings of Albion by Julian Rathbone. The depiction of Richard in this is absolutely horrible.


________________________________
From: colyngbourne <[email protected]>
To:
Sent: Wednesday, 19 December 2012, 16:49
Subject: Re: Rhoda Edwards WAS Richard's Scribes


 
My top Ricardian fiction reads are - We Speak No Treason, The Sunne in Splendour, Some Touch of Pity, and the playscript for Dickon by Gordon Daviot/Josephine Tey.

I have yet to read the Carleton but it sounds good.
I also like The Killing of Richard III by Robert Farrington

I dislike The Seventh Son.

--- In , Ishita Bandyo <bandyoi@...> wrote:
>
> Eileen, those are the things that put me off. But I will definitely finish it now.
>  My most fav is of course Sunne in Splendor and Some Touch of Pity is second. Third is so far The Seventh Son. And worst on my list is Dickon!! Could not get over the devil thing:/
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@...>
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 11:31 AM
> Subject: Re: Rhoda Edwards WAS Richard's Scribes
>
>
>  
> Maire...perhaps 'dated' is the wrong word...but a couple of time the descriptions of Richard as being small/little etc., I found momentarily toe curlingly embarrassing and rather odd. I dont think you would find these types of descriptions in a modern novel..This is what a mean by dated...However...If you can bear with this and not let such little...well teeny faults...turn you off the book is a thunderingly good read and amongst the best of Ricardian novels...Eileen
>
> --- In , "mairemulholland" <mairemulholland@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Can you tell me some of the things that are dated? I know the book has a controversial point of view on the fate of the princes but even that is handled so masterfully that you really almost understand Richard's point of view. My only complaint about the book is that it ends very abruptly without any consideration from the surviving characters. Maire.
> > --- In , "EileenB" <cherryripe.eileenb@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Maire...Im glad you too are enjoying Patrick Carleton's 'Under the Hog"....I am always banging on about it on here....It is a little dated in parts as it was written in the 1930s but some of the descriptions/conversations just absolutely cannot be beat...Eileen
> > >
> > > --- In , "mairemulholland" <mairemulholland@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I'm going with Patrick Carleton's book. I reread one chapter last night which is a sort of "day in the life" of Richard. It follows him from waking to court procedures to deer hunting to a big gala in the evening. Just wonderful descriptions of medieval court life and intuitive insight into Richard's seriousness of purpose. Such a great book! Maire.
> > > >
> > > > --- In , Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I still say it is the best novel about Richard so far, and beats Sharon Penman's Sunne in Splendour into a cocked hat, as we say her in Blighty!
> > > > > Paul
> > > > >
> > > > > On 18 Dec 2012, at 23:00, mairemulholland wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > "Some Touch of Pity" is so much more evocative than "The Broken Sword." I first read it as a kid traveling to and from NYC by train on my first (hated) job. Thanks to Richard and Rhoda, I could forget myself for a while! Maire.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In , "George Butterfield" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Typically the titles are changed either because they are already in
> > > > > > copyright ISBN code or have a totally different meaning in another country.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > George
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From:
> > > > > > [mailto:] On Behalf Of mairemulholland
> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 2:26 PM
> > > > > > To:
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Rhoda Edwards WAS Richard's Scribes
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Oh, yeah, it's a real tearjerker. I think "Some Touch of Pity" is the
> > > > > > British title. For some reason it was changed when published in the USA. Go
> > > > > > figure! Maire.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In
> > > > > > , Richard Yahoo wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The Broken Sword and the Some Touch of Pity are the same books with
> > > > > > different names. I wonder why?!
> > > > > > Loved the Broken Sword but was too sad at the end:/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ishita Bandyo
> > > > > > www.ishitabandyo.com
> > > > > > www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
> > > > > > www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Dec 18, 2012, at 1:19 PM, "oregon_katy" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In
> > > > > > , "mairemulholland" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm pretty sure that the characters of Robert Bolman and Richard Bele -
> > > > > > dramatised in Rhoda Edward's The Broken Sword were actual workers in
> > > > > > Richard's office. Maire.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Katy:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My thought was "Why don't we ask her?" so I tried to look her up -- many
> > > > > > authors have web sites or Facebook pages.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Rhoda Edwards doesn't. I was able to find out very little about her. Maybe
> > > > > > the back cover or introduction to one of her books has more.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Her published works are listed as
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Some Touch of Pity
> > > > > > Fortune's Wheel
> > > > > > The Itinerary of King Richard III, 1483-1485
> > > > > > None But Elizabeth
> > > > > > The Broken Sword
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The Itinerary of King Richard III sounds intriguing. Has anyone read it?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Katy
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ------------------------------------
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Richard Liveth Yet!
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>

OK David...but another one for the DO list....The White Queen by Lesley J Nickell...

This was the one I was referring to in my answer to Paul's posting re Some Touch of Pity...I am afraid I got them mixed up.....this is the one that is very moving with regard to Richard trying to give to Anne some reason for living after the death of their son....

I should imagine you can only get this 2nd hand now....Eileen

--- In , david rayner <theblackprussian@...> wrote:
>
> Whatever you do DON'T read Kings of Albion by Julian Rathbone. The depiction of Richard in this is absolutely horrible.
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: colyngbourne <[email protected]>
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, 19 December 2012, 16:49
> Subject: Re: Rhoda Edwards WAS Richard's Scribes
>
>
>  
> My top Ricardian fiction reads are - We Speak No Treason, The Sunne in Splendour, Some Touch of Pity, and the playscript for Dickon by Gordon Daviot/Josephine Tey.
>
> I have yet to read the Carleton but it sounds good.
> I also like The Killing of Richard III by Robert Farrington
>
> I dislike The Seventh Son.
>
> --- In , Ishita Bandyo <bandyoi@> wrote:
> >
> > Eileen, those are the things that put me off. But I will definitely finish it now.
> >  My most fav is of course Sunne in Splendor and Some Touch of Pity is second. Third is so far The Seventh Son. And worst on my list is Dickon!! Could not get over the devil thing:/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@>
> > To:
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 11:31 AM
> > Subject: Re: Rhoda Edwards WAS Richard's Scribes
> >
> >
> >  
> > Maire...perhaps 'dated' is the wrong word...but a couple of time the descriptions of Richard as being small/little etc., I found momentarily toe curlingly embarrassing and rather odd. I dont think you would find these types of descriptions in a modern novel..This is what a mean by dated...However...If you can bear with this and not let such little...well teeny faults...turn you off the book is a thunderingly good read and amongst the best of Ricardian novels...Eileen
> >
> > --- In , "mairemulholland" <mairemulholland@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Can you tell me some of the things that are dated? I know the book has a controversial point of view on the fate of the princes but even that is handled so masterfully that you really almost understand Richard's point of view. My only complaint about the book is that it ends very abruptly without any consideration from the surviving characters. Maire.
> > > --- In , "EileenB" <cherryripe.eileenb@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Maire...Im glad you too are enjoying Patrick Carleton's 'Under the Hog"....I am always banging on about it on here....It is a little dated in parts as it was written in the 1930s but some of the descriptions/conversations just absolutely cannot be beat...Eileen
> > > >
> > > > --- In , "mairemulholland" <mairemulholland@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm going with Patrick Carleton's book. I reread one chapter last night which is a sort of "day in the life" of Richard. It follows him from waking to court procedures to deer hunting to a big gala in the evening. Just wonderful descriptions of medieval court life and intuitive insight into Richard's seriousness of purpose. Such a great book! Maire.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In , Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I still say it is the best novel about Richard so far, and beats Sharon Penman's Sunne in Splendour into a cocked hat, as we say her in Blighty!
> > > > > > Paul
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 18 Dec 2012, at 23:00, mairemulholland wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Some Touch of Pity" is so much more evocative than "The Broken Sword." I first read it as a kid traveling to and from NYC by train on my first (hated) job. Thanks to Richard and Rhoda, I could forget myself for a while! Maire.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In , "George Butterfield" wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Typically the titles are changed either because they are already in
> > > > > > > copyright ISBN code or have a totally different meaning in another country.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > George
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > From:
> > > > > > > [mailto:] On Behalf Of mairemulholland
> > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 2:26 PM
> > > > > > > To:
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Rhoda Edwards WAS Richard's Scribes
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Oh, yeah, it's a real tearjerker. I think "Some Touch of Pity" is the
> > > > > > > British title. For some reason it was changed when published in the USA. Go
> > > > > > > figure! Maire.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In
> > > > > > > , Richard Yahoo wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The Broken Sword and the Some Touch of Pity are the same books with
> > > > > > > different names. I wonder why?!
> > > > > > > Loved the Broken Sword but was too sad at the end:/
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ishita Bandyo
> > > > > > > www.ishitabandyo.com
> > > > > > > www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
> > > > > > > www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Dec 18, 2012, at 1:19 PM, "oregon_katy" wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In
> > > > > > > , "mairemulholland" wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm pretty sure that the characters of Robert Bolman and Richard Bele -
> > > > > > > dramatised in Rhoda Edward's The Broken Sword were actual workers in
> > > > > > > Richard's office. Maire.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Katy:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > My thought was "Why don't we ask her?" so I tried to look her up -- many
> > > > > > > authors have web sites or Facebook pages.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Rhoda Edwards doesn't. I was able to find out very little about her. Maybe
> > > > > > > the back cover or introduction to one of her books has more.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Her published works are listed as
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Some Touch of Pity
> > > > > > > Fortune's Wheel
> > > > > > > The Itinerary of King Richard III, 1483-1485
> > > > > > > None But Elizabeth
> > > > > > > The Broken Sword
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The Itinerary of King Richard III sounds intriguing. Has anyone read it?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Katy
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ------------------------------------
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Richard Liveth Yet!
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>

Most of these good books are second hand. I had to buy SomTouch from Albris too. I wish they were in print or at least turned into ebooks.......Is this White Queen about Elizabeth Woodville or Anne? You know, like the PG one:)

Sent from my iPad

On Dec 19, 2012, at 5:13 PM, "EileenB" <cherryripe.eileenb@...> wrote:

> OK David...but another one for the DO list....The White Queen by Lesley J Nickell...
>
> This was the one I was referring to in my answer to Paul's posting re Some Touch of Pity...I am afraid I got them mixed up.....this is the one that is very moving with regard to Richard trying to give to Anne some reason for living after the death of their son....
>
> I should imagine you can only get this 2nd hand now....Eileen
>
> --- In , david rayner <theblackprussian@...> wrote:
> >
> > Whatever you do DON'T read Kings of Albion by Julian Rathbone. The depiction of Richard in this is absolutely horrible.
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: colyngbourne <[email protected]>
> > To:
> > Sent: Wednesday, 19 December 2012, 16:49
> > Subject: Re: Rhoda Edwards WAS Richard's Scribes
> >
> >
> >
> > My top Ricardian fiction reads are - We Speak No Treason, The Sunne in Splendour, Some Touch of Pity, and the playscript for Dickon by Gordon Daviot/Josephine Tey.
> >
> > I have yet to read the Carleton but it sounds good.
> > I also like The Killing of Richard III by Robert Farrington
> >
> > I dislike The Seventh Son.
> >
> > --- In , Ishita Bandyo <bandyoi@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Eileen, those are the things that put me off. But I will definitely finish it now.
> > > Â My most fav is of course Sunne in Splendor and Some Touch of Pity is second. Third is so far The Seventh Son. And worst on my list is Dickon!! Could not get over the devil thing:/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@>
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 11:31 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Rhoda Edwards WAS Richard's Scribes
> > >
> > >
> > > Â
> > > Maire...perhaps 'dated' is the wrong word...but a couple of time the descriptions of Richard as being small/little etc., I found momentarily toe curlingly embarrassing and rather odd. I dont think you would find these types of descriptions in a modern novel..This is what a mean by dated...However...If you can bear with this and not let such little...well teeny faults...turn you off the book is a thunderingly good read and amongst the best of Ricardian novels...Eileen
> > >
> > > --- In , "mairemulholland" <mairemulholland@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Can you tell me some of the things that are dated? I know the book has a controversial point of view on the fate of the princes but even that is handled so masterfully that you really almost understand Richard's point of view. My only complaint about the book is that it ends very abruptly without any consideration from the surviving characters. Maire.
> > > > --- In , "EileenB" <cherryripe.eileenb@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Maire...Im glad you too are enjoying Patrick Carleton's 'Under the Hog"....I am always banging on about it on here....It is a little dated in parts as it was written in the 1930s but some of the descriptions/conversations just absolutely cannot be beat...Eileen
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In , "mairemulholland" <mairemulholland@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm going with Patrick Carleton's book. I reread one chapter last night which is a sort of "day in the life" of Richard. It follows him from waking to court procedures to deer hunting to a big gala in the evening. Just wonderful descriptions of medieval court life and intuitive insight into Richard's seriousness of purpose. Such a great book! Maire.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In , Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I still say it is the best novel about Richard so far, and beats Sharon Penman's Sunne in Splendour into a cocked hat, as we say her in Blighty!
> > > > > > > Paul
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 18 Dec 2012, at 23:00, mairemulholland wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "Some Touch of Pity" is so much more evocative than "The Broken Sword." I first read it as a kid traveling to and from NYC by train on my first (hated) job. Thanks to Richard and Rhoda, I could forget myself for a while! Maire.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In , "George Butterfield" wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Typically the titles are changed either because they are already in
> > > > > > > > copyright ISBN code or have a totally different meaning in another country.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > George
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > From:
> > > > > > > > [mailto:] On Behalf Of mairemulholland
> > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 2:26 PM
> > > > > > > > To:
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Rhoda Edwards WAS Richard's Scribes
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Oh, yeah, it's a real tearjerker. I think "Some Touch of Pity" is the
> > > > > > > > British title. For some reason it was changed when published in the USA. Go
> > > > > > > > figure! Maire.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In
> > > > > > > > , Richard Yahoo wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The Broken Sword and the Some Touch of Pity are the same books with
> > > > > > > > different names. I wonder why?!
> > > > > > > > Loved the Broken Sword but was too sad at the end:/
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Ishita Bandyo
> > > > > > > > www.ishitabandyo.com
> > > > > > > > www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
> > > > > > > > www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Dec 18, 2012, at 1:19 PM, "oregon_katy" wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In
> > > > > > > > , "mairemulholland" wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I'm pretty sure that the characters of Robert Bolman and Richard Bele -
> > > > > > > > dramatised in Rhoda Edward's The Broken Sword were actual workers in
> > > > > > > > Richard's office. Maire.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Katy:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > My thought was "Why don't we ask her?" so I tried to look her up -- many
> > > > > > > > authors have web sites or Facebook pages.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Rhoda Edwards doesn't. I was able to find out very little about her. Maybe
> > > > > > > > the back cover or introduction to one of her books has more.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Her published works are listed as
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Some Touch of Pity
> > > > > > > > Fortune's Wheel
> > > > > > > > The Itinerary of King Richard III, 1483-1485
> > > > > > > > None But Elizabeth
> > > > > > > > The Broken Sword
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The Itinerary of King Richard III sounds intriguing. Has anyone read it?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Katy
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ------------------------------------
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Richard Liveth Yet!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

Another DON'T read is On the Trail of Richard III...unless you believe Francis Lovell is/was a demonic creature and Richard's ghost is capable of beating up women. Utter tripe. I don't even think Hicks or Weir would go this far.

And if one other character had "smiled wickedly," the author deserved a prize for the most over-used phrase in any novel I've ever read...

Judy
 
Loyaulte me lie


________________________________
From: EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@...>
To:
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 4:13 PM
Subject: Re: Rhoda Edwards WAS Richard's Scribes


 
OK David...but another one for the DO list....The White Queen by Lesley J Nickell...

This was the one I was referring to in my answer to Paul's posting re Some Touch of Pity...I am afraid I got them mixed up.....this is the one that is very moving with regard to Richard trying to give to Anne some reason for living after the death of their son....

I should imagine you can only get this 2nd hand now....Eileen

--- In , david rayner <theblackprussian@...> wrote:
>
> Whatever you do DON'T read Kings of Albion by Julian Rathbone. The depiction of Richard in this is absolutely horrible.
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: colyngbourne <[email protected]>
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, 19 December 2012, 16:49
> Subject: Re: Rhoda Edwards WAS Richard's Scribes
>
>
>  
> My top Ricardian fiction reads are - We Speak No Treason, The Sunne in Splendour, Some Touch of Pity, and the playscript for Dickon by Gordon Daviot/Josephine Tey.
>
> I have yet to read the Carleton but it sounds good.
> I also like The Killing of Richard III by Robert Farrington
>
> I dislike The Seventh Son.
>
> --- In , Ishita Bandyo <bandyoi@> wrote:
> >
> > Eileen, those are the things that put me off. But I will definitely finish it now.
> > àMy most fav is of course Sunne in Splendor and Some Touch of Pity is second. Third is so far The Seventh Son. And worst on my list is Dickon!! Could not get over the devil thing:/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@>
> > To:
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 11:31 AM
> > Subject: Re: Rhoda Edwards WAS Richard's Scribes
> >
> >
> > à
> > Maire...perhaps 'dated' is the wrong word...but a couple of time the descriptions of Richard as being small/little etc., I found momentarily toe curlingly embarrassing and rather odd. I dont think you would find these types of descriptions in a modern novel..This is what a mean by dated...However...If you can bear with this and not let such little...well teeny faults...turn you off the book is a thunderingly good read and amongst the best of Ricardian novels...Eileen
> >
> > --- In , "mairemulholland" <mairemulholland@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Can you tell me some of the things that are dated? I know the book has a controversial point of view on the fate of the princes but even that is handled so masterfully that you really almost understand Richard's point of view. My only complaint about the book is that it ends very abruptly without any consideration from the surviving characters. Maire.
> > > --- In , "EileenB" <cherryripe.eileenb@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Maire...Im glad you too are enjoying Patrick Carleton's 'Under the Hog"....I am always banging on about it on here....It is a little dated in parts as it was written in the 1930s but some of the descriptions/conversations just absolutely cannot be beat...Eileen
> > > >
> > > > --- In , "mairemulholland" <mairemulholland@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm going with Patrick Carleton's book. I reread one chapter last night which is a sort of "day in the life" of Richard. It follows him from waking to court procedures to deer hunting to a big gala in the evening. Just wonderful descriptions of medieval court life and intuitive insight into Richard's seriousness of purpose. Such a great book! Maire.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In , Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I still say it is the best novel about Richard so far, and beats Sharon Penman's Sunne in Splendour into a cocked hat, as we say her in Blighty!
> > > > > > Paul
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 18 Dec 2012, at 23:00, mairemulholland wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Some Touch of Pity" is so much more evocative than "The Broken Sword." I first read it as a kid traveling to and from NYC by train on my first (hated) job. Thanks to Richard and Rhoda, I could forget myself for a while! Maire.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In , "George Butterfield" wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Typically the titles are changed either because they are already in
> > > > > > > copyright ISBN code or have a totally different meaning in another country.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > George
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > From:
> > > > > > > [mailto:] On Behalf Of mairemulholland
> > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 2:26 PM
> > > > > > > To:
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Rhoda Edwards WAS Richard's Scribes
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Oh, yeah, it's a real tearjerker. I think "Some Touch of Pity" is the
> > > > > > > British title. For some reason it was changed when published in the USA. Go
> > > > > > > figure! Maire.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In
> > > > > > > , Richard Yahoo wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The Broken Sword and the Some Touch of Pity are the same books with
> > > > > > > different names. I wonder why?!
> > > > > > > Loved the Broken Sword but was too sad at the end:/
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ishita Bandyo
> > > > > > > www.ishitabandyo.com
> > > > > > > www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
> > > > > > > www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Dec 18, 2012, at 1:19 PM, "oregon_katy" wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In
> > > > > > > , "mairemulholland" wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm pretty sure that the characters of Robert Bolman and Richard Bele -
> > > > > > > dramatised in Rhoda Edward's The Broken Sword were actual workers in
> > > > > > > Richard's office. Maire.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Katy:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > My thought was "Why don't we ask her?" so I tried to look her up -- many
> > > > > > > authors have web sites or Facebook pages.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Rhoda Edwards doesn't. I was able to find out very little about her. Maybe
> > > > > > > the back cover or introduction to one of her books has more.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Her published works are listed as
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Some Touch of Pity
> > > > > > > Fortune's Wheel
> > > > > > > The Itinerary of King Richard III, 1483-1485
> > > > > > > None But Elizabeth
> > > > > > > The Broken Sword
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The Itinerary of King Richard III sounds intriguing. Has anyone read it?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Katy
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ------------------------------------
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Richard Liveth Yet!
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>

Ha! Sounds like a winner. Maire.

--- In , Judy Thomson <judygerard.thomson@...> wrote:
>
> Another DON'T read is On the Trail of Richard III...unless LOyou believe Francis Lovell is/was a demonic creature and Richard's ghost is capable of beating up women. Utter tripe. I don't even think Hicks or Weir would go this far.
>
> And if one other character had "smiled wickedly," the author deserved a prize for the most over-used phrase in any novel I've ever read...
>
> Judy
>  
> Loyaulte me lie
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@...>
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 4:13 PM
> Subject: Re: Rhoda Edwards WAS Richard's Scribes
>
>
>  
> OK David...but another one for the DO list....The White Queen by Lesley J Nickell...
>
> This was the one I was referring to in my answer to Paul's posting re Some Touch of Pity...I am afraid I got them mixed up.....this is the one that is very moving with regard to Richard trying to give to Anne some reason for living after the death of their son....
>
> I should imagine you can only get this 2nd hand now....Eileen
>
> --- In , david rayner <theblackprussian@> wrote:
> >
> > Whatever you do DON'T read Kings of Albion by Julian Rathbone. The depiction of Richard in this is absolutely horrible.
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: colyngbourne <[email protected]>
> > To:
> > Sent: Wednesday, 19 December 2012, 16:49
> > Subject: Re: Rhoda Edwards WAS Richard's Scribes
> >
> >
> >  
> > My top Ricardian fiction reads are - We Speak No Treason, The Sunne in Splendour, Some Touch of Pity, and the playscript for Dickon by Gordon Daviot/Josephine Tey.
> >
> > I have yet to read the Carleton but it sounds good.
> > I also like The Killing of Richard III by Robert Farrington
> >
> > I dislike The Seventh Son.
> >
> > --- In , Ishita Bandyo <bandyoi@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Eileen, those are the things that put me off. But I will definitely finish it now.
> > >  My most fav is of course Sunne in Splendor and Some Touch of Pity is second. Third is so far The Seventh Son. And worst on my list is Dickon!! Could not get over the devil thing:/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@>
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 11:31 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Rhoda Edwards WAS Richard's Scribes
> > >
> > >
> > >  
> > > Maire...perhaps 'dated' is the wrong word...but a couple of time the descriptions of Richard as being small/little etc., I found momentarily toe curlingly embarrassing and rather odd. I dont think you would find these types of descriptions in a modern novel..This is what a mean by dated...However...If you can bear with this and not let such little...well teeny faults...turn you off the book is a thunderingly good read and amongst the best of Ricardian novels...Eileen
> > >
> > > --- In , "mairemulholland" <mairemulholland@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Can you tell me some of the things that are dated? I know the book has a controversial point of view on the fate of the princes but even that is handled so masterfully that you really almost understand Richard's point of view. My only complaint about the book is that it ends very abruptly without any consideration from the surviving characters. Maire.
> > > > --- In , "EileenB" <cherryripe.eileenb@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Maire...Im glad you too are enjoying Patrick Carleton's 'Under the Hog"....I am always banging on about it on here....It is a little dated in parts as it was written in the 1930s but some of the descriptions/conversations just absolutely cannot be beat...Eileen
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In , "mairemulholland" <mairemulholland@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm going with Patrick Carleton's book. I reread one chapter last night which is a sort of "day in the life" of Richard. It follows him from waking to court procedures to deer hunting to a big gala in the evening. Just wonderful descriptions of medieval court life and intuitive insight into Richard's seriousness of purpose. Such a great book! Maire.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In , Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I still say it is the best novel about Richard so far, and beats Sharon Penman's Sunne in Splendour into a cocked hat, as we say her in Blighty!
> > > > > > > Paul
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 18 Dec 2012, at 23:00, mairemulholland wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "Some Touch of Pity" is so much more evocative than "The Broken Sword." I first read it as a kid traveling to and from NYC by train on my first (hated) job. Thanks to Richard and Rhoda, I could forget myself for a while! Maire.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In , "George Butterfield" wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Typically the titles are changed either because they are already in
> > > > > > > > copyright ISBN code or have a totally different meaning in another country.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > George
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > From:
> > > > > > > > [mailto:] On Behalf Of mairemulholland
> > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 2:26 PM
> > > > > > > > To:
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Rhoda Edwards WAS Richard's Scribes
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Oh, yeah, it's a real tearjerker. I think "Some Touch of Pity" is the
> > > > > > > > British title. For some reason it was changed when published in the USA. Go
> > > > > > > > figure! Maire.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In
> > > > > > > > , Richard Yahoo wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The Broken Sword and the Some Touch of Pity are the same books with
> > > > > > > > different names. I wonder why?!
> > > > > > > > Loved the Broken Sword but was too sad at the end:/
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Ishita Bandyo
> > > > > > > > www.ishitabandyo.com
> > > > > > > > www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
> > > > > > > > www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Dec 18, 2012, at 1:19 PM, "oregon_katy" wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In
> > > > > > > > , "mairemulholland" wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I'm pretty sure that the characters of Robert Bolman and Richard Bele -
> > > > > > > > dramatised in Rhoda Edward's The Broken Sword were actual workers in
> > > > > > > > Richard's office. Maire.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Katy:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > My thought was "Why don't we ask her?" so I tried to look her up -- many
> > > > > > > > authors have web sites or Facebook pages.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Rhoda Edwards doesn't. I was able to find out very little about her. Maybe
> > > > > > > > the back cover or introduction to one of her books has more.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Her published works are listed as
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Some Touch of Pity
> > > > > > > > Fortune's Wheel
> > > > > > > > The Itinerary of King Richard III, 1483-1485
> > > > > > > > None But Elizabeth
> > > > > > > > The Broken Sword
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The Itinerary of King Richard III sounds intriguing. Has anyone read it?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Katy
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ------------------------------------
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Richard Liveth Yet!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>

Eileen, what do you mean? ...... Anyhow I did start reading Under the Hog! Also ordered The White Queen and Killing of Riii from albris! Just when I was feeling bereft about not having any more Ricardian novels to read! We have so many authors here, come on guys start writing 1000 page novels about R! I need to filll my coffer with more books:)



________________________________
From: EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@...>
To:
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 1:25 PM
Subject: Re: Rhoda Edwards WAS Richard's Scribes


 
Ishita...its always a good idea to also hear about those that people don't like...It might save some of us a bit of money :0) Eileen

--- In , Ishita Bandyo <bandyoi@...> wrote:
>
> Eileen, those are the things that put me off. But I will definitely finish it now.
>  My most fav is of course Sunne in Splendor and Some Touch of Pity is second. Third is so far The Seventh Son. And worst on my list is Dickon!! Could not get over the devil thing:/
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@...>
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 11:31 AM
> Subject: Re: Rhoda Edwards WAS Richard's Scribes
>
>
>  
> Maire...perhaps 'dated' is the wrong word...but a couple of time the descriptions of Richard as being small/little etc., I found momentarily toe curlingly embarrassing and rather odd. I dont think you would find these types of descriptions in a modern novel..This is what a mean by dated...However...If you can bear with this and not let such little...well teeny faults...turn you off the book is a thunderingly good read and amongst the best of Ricardian novels...Eileen
>
> --- In , "mairemulholland" <mairemulholland@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Can you tell me some of the things that are dated? I know the book has a controversial point of view on the fate of the princes but even that is handled so masterfully that you really almost understand Richard's point of view. My only complaint about the book is that it ends very abruptly without any consideration from the surviving characters. Maire.
> > --- In , "EileenB" <cherryripe.eileenb@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Maire...Im glad you too are enjoying Patrick Carleton's 'Under the Hog"....I am always banging on about it on here....It is a little dated in parts as it was written in the 1930s but some of the descriptions/conversations just absolutely cannot be beat...Eileen
> > >
> > > --- In , "mairemulholland" <mairemulholland@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I'm going with Patrick Carleton's book. I reread one chapter last night which is a sort of "day in the life" of Richard. It follows him from waking to court procedures to deer hunting to a big gala in the evening. Just wonderful descriptions of medieval court life and intuitive insight into Richard's seriousness of purpose. Such a great book! Maire.
> > > >
> > > > --- In , Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I still say it is the best novel about Richard so far, and beats Sharon Penman's Sunne in Splendour into a cocked hat, as we say her in Blighty!
> > > > > Paul
> > > > >
> > > > > On 18 Dec 2012, at 23:00, mairemulholland wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > "Some Touch of Pity" is so much more evocative than "The Broken Sword." I first read it as a kid traveling to and from NYC by train on my first (hated) job. Thanks to Richard and Rhoda, I could forget myself for a while! Maire.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In , "George Butterfield" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Typically the titles are changed either because they are already in
> > > > > > copyright ISBN code or have a totally different meaning in another country.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > George
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From:
> > > > > > [mailto:] On Behalf Of mairemulholland
> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 2:26 PM
> > > > > > To:
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Rhoda Edwards WAS Richard's Scribes
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Oh, yeah, it's a real tearjerker. I think "Some Touch of Pity" is the
> > > > > > British title. For some reason it was changed when published in the USA. Go
> > > > > > figure! Maire.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In
> > > > > > , Richard Yahoo wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The Broken Sword and the Some Touch of Pity are the same books with
> > > > > > different names. I wonder why?!
> > > > > > Loved the Broken Sword but was too sad at the end:/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ishita Bandyo
> > > > > > www.ishitabandyo.com
> > > > > > www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
> > > > > > www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Dec 18, 2012, at 1:19 PM, "oregon_katy" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In
> > > > > > , "mairemulholland" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm pretty sure that the characters of Robert Bolman and Richard Bele -
> > > > > > dramatised in Rhoda Edward's The Broken Sword were actual workers in
> > > > > > Richard's office. Maire.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Katy:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My thought was "Why don't we ask her?" so I tried to look her up -- many
> > > > > > authors have web sites or Facebook pages.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Rhoda Edwards doesn't. I was able to find out very little about her. Maybe
> > > > > > the back cover or introduction to one of her books has more.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Her published works are listed as
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Some Touch of Pity
> > > > > > Fortune's Wheel
> > > > > > The Itinerary of King Richard III, 1483-1485
> > > > > > None But Elizabeth
> > > > > > The Broken Sword
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The Itinerary of King Richard III sounds intriguing. Has anyone read it?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Katy
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ------------------------------------
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Richard Liveth Yet!
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>

--- In , Ishita Bandyo <bandyoi@...> wrote:
>
> [snip] I did start reading Under the Hog! Also ordered The White Queen and Killing of Riii from albris! Just when I was feeling bereft about not having any more Ricardian novels to read! We have so many authors here, come on guys start writing 1000 page novels about R! I need to filll my coffer with more books:)


Katy:

I imagine the recent events in Leicester and the announcement of what was found are going to bring forth a whole bunch of R III books.

Katy

________________________________


 


--- In , IshitaBandyo <bandyoi@...> wrote:
>
> [snip] I did start reading Under the Hog! Also ordered The White Queen and Killing of Riii from albris! Just when I was feeling bereft about not having any more Ricardian novels to read! We have so many authors here, come on guys start writing 1000 page novels about R! I need to filll my coffer with more books:)

Katy:

I imagine the recent events in Leicester and the announcement of what was found are going to bring forth a whole bunch of R III books.

Katy


Pamela:

Unfortunately after some of the vitriol I have read on history forums in recent weeks, a lot of  them are likely to be very uncomplimentary.

Under the Hog starts out a little slow so don't give up. Once Richard (as a man) shows up, the book takes off. Maire.

--- In , Pamela Furmidge <pamela.furmidge@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
>
>  
>
>
> --- In , IshitaBandyo <bandyoi@> wrote:
> >
> > [snip] I did start reading Under the Hog! Also ordered The White Queen and Killing of Riii from albris! Just when I was feeling bereft about not having any more Ricardian novels to read! We have so many authors here, come on guys start writing 1000 page novels about R! I need to filll my coffer with more books:)
>
> Katy:
>
> I imagine the recent events in Leicester and the announcement of what was found are going to bring forth a whole bunch of R III books.
>
> Katy
>
>
> Pamela:
>
> Unfortunately after some of the vitriol I have read on history forums in recent weeks, a lot of  them are likely to be very uncomplimentary.
>
>
>
>

Pamela, you noticed that too?
I wonder why all these blogs and forums are hell bent on being so negative. One blogger's comment calling Richard a "malevolent tyrant " is still stuck to my head! Give the man a chance!!

Ishita Bandyo
www.ishitabandyo.com
www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com

On Dec 20, 2012, at 1:27 AM, Pamela Furmidge <pamela.furmidge@...> wrote:

>
>
> ________________________________
>
>
>
>
> --- In , IshitaBandyo <bandyoi@...> wrote:
> >
> > [snip] I did start reading Under the Hog! Also ordered The White Queen and Killing of Riii from albris! Just when I was feeling bereft about not having any more Ricardian novels to read! We have so many authors here, come on guys start writing 1000 page novels about R! I need to filll my coffer with more books:)
>
> Katy:
>
> I imagine the recent events in Leicester and the announcement of what was found are going to bring forth a whole bunch of R III books.
>
> Katy
>
> Pamela:
>
> Unfortunately after some of the vitriol I have read on history forums in recent weeks, a lot of them are likely to be very uncomplimentary.
>
>
>
>
>

________________________________



 
Pamela, you noticed that too?
I wonder why all these blogs and forums are hell bent on being so negative. One blogger's comment calling Richard a "malevolent tyrant " is still stuck to my head! Give the man a chance!!

Ishita Bandyo
www.ishitabandyo.com
www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com


Pamela:
Yes, I've just joined a history forum and the parts to do with Richard seem to be populated by Michael Hicks fans! 

Ishita....This 'White Queen' is about Anne Neville...I know you would not be able to read certain parts without tears...Why do we do this to ourselves???? Eileen

--- In , Ishita Bandyo <bandyoi@...> wrote:
>
> Most of these good books are second hand. I had to buy SomTouch from Albris too. I wish they were in print or at least turned into ebooks.......Is this White Queen about Elizabeth Woodville or Anne? You know, like the PG one:)
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Dec 19, 2012, at 5:13 PM, "EileenB" <cherryripe.eileenb@...> wrote:
>
> > OK David...but another one for the DO list....The White Queen by Lesley J Nickell...
> >
> > This was the one I was referring to in my answer to Paul's posting re Some Touch of Pity...I am afraid I got them mixed up.....this is the one that is very moving with regard to Richard trying to give to Anne some reason for living after the death of their son....
> >
> > I should imagine you can only get this 2nd hand now....Eileen
> >
> > --- In , david rayner <theblackprussian@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Whatever you do DON'T read Kings of Albion by Julian Rathbone. The depiction of Richard in this is absolutely horrible.
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: colyngbourne <[email protected]>
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Wednesday, 19 December 2012, 16:49
> > > Subject: Re: Rhoda Edwards WAS Richard's Scribes
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > My top Ricardian fiction reads are - We Speak No Treason, The Sunne in Splendour, Some Touch of Pity, and the playscript for Dickon by Gordon Daviot/Josephine Tey.
> > >
> > > I have yet to read the Carleton but it sounds good.
> > > I also like The Killing of Richard III by Robert Farrington
> > >
> > > I dislike The Seventh Son.
> > >
> > > --- In , Ishita Bandyo <bandyoi@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Eileen, those are the things that put me off. But I will definitely finish it now.
> > > > Â My most fav is of course Sunne in Splendor and Some Touch of Pity is second. Third is so far The Seventh Son. And worst on my list is Dickon!! Could not get over the devil thing:/
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________
> > > > From: EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@>
> > > > To:
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 11:31 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: Rhoda Edwards WAS Richard's Scribes
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Â
> > > > Maire...perhaps 'dated' is the wrong word...but a couple of time the descriptions of Richard as being small/little etc., I found momentarily toe curlingly embarrassing and rather odd. I dont think you would find these types of descriptions in a modern novel..This is what a mean by dated...However...If you can bear with this and not let such little...well teeny faults...turn you off the book is a thunderingly good read and amongst the best of Ricardian novels...Eileen
> > > >
> > > > --- In , "mairemulholland" <mairemulholland@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Can you tell me some of the things that are dated? I know the book has a controversial point of view on the fate of the princes but even that is handled so masterfully that you really almost understand Richard's point of view. My only complaint about the book is that it ends very abruptly without any consideration from the surviving characters. Maire.
> > > > > --- In , "EileenB" <cherryripe.eileenb@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Maire...Im glad you too are enjoying Patrick Carleton's 'Under the Hog"....I am always banging on about it on here....It is a little dated in parts as it was written in the 1930s but some of the descriptions/conversations just absolutely cannot be beat...Eileen
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In , "mairemulholland" <mairemulholland@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm going with Patrick Carleton's book. I reread one chapter last night which is a sort of "day in the life" of Richard. It follows him from waking to court procedures to deer hunting to a big gala in the evening. Just wonderful descriptions of medieval court life and intuitive insight into Richard's seriousness of purpose. Such a great book! Maire.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In , Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I still say it is the best novel about Richard so far, and beats Sharon Penman's Sunne in Splendour into a cocked hat, as we say her in Blighty!
> > > > > > > > Paul
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On 18 Dec 2012, at 23:00, mairemulholland wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "Some Touch of Pity" is so much more evocative than "The Broken Sword." I first read it as a kid traveling to and from NYC by train on my first (hated) job. Thanks to Richard and Rhoda, I could forget myself for a while! Maire.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In , "George Butterfield" wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Typically the titles are changed either because they are already in
> > > > > > > > > copyright ISBN code or have a totally different meaning in another country.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > George
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > From:
> > > > > > > > > [mailto:] On Behalf Of mairemulholland
> > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 2:26 PM
> > > > > > > > > To:
> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Rhoda Edwards WAS Richard's Scribes
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Oh, yeah, it's a real tearjerker. I think "Some Touch of Pity" is the
> > > > > > > > > British title. For some reason it was changed when published in the USA. Go
> > > > > > > > > figure! Maire.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In
> > > > > > > > > , Richard Yahoo wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The Broken Sword and the Some Touch of Pity are the same books with
> > > > > > > > > different names. I wonder why?!
> > > > > > > > > Loved the Broken Sword but was too sad at the end:/
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Ishita Bandyo
> > > > > > > > > www.ishitabandyo.com
> > > > > > > > > www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
> > > > > > > > > www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Dec 18, 2012, at 1:19 PM, "oregon_katy" wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In
> > > > > > > > > , "mairemulholland" wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I'm pretty sure that the characters of Robert Bolman and Richard Bele -
> > > > > > > > > dramatised in Rhoda Edward's The Broken Sword were actual workers in
> > > > > > > > > Richard's office. Maire.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Katy:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > My thought was "Why don't we ask her?" so I tried to look her up -- many
> > > > > > > > > authors have web sites or Facebook pages.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Rhoda Edwards doesn't. I was able to find out very little about her. Maybe
> > > > > > > > > the back cover or introduction to one of her books has more.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Her published works are listed as
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Some Touch of Pity
> > > > > > > > > Fortune's Wheel
> > > > > > > > > The Itinerary of King Richard III, 1483-1485
> > > > > > > > > None But Elizabeth
> > > > > > > > > The Broken Sword
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The Itinerary of King Richard III sounds intriguing. Has anyone read it?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Katy
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Richard Liveth Yet!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
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I think we do it to ourselves because we can't resist the drama of Richard's life. How much life did that man pack into 32 years! How could you not be drawn to it? I'm now going to order The White Queen!

Can somebody help me with this: I am very anxious to get my hands on Von Poppelea's memoirs. It looks like Livia Misser-Fuchs translated it but I don't see it listed anywhere. I've always been drawn to this view of Richard because it is so different from all other contemporary reports. Maire.

--- In , "EileenB" <cherryripe.eileenb@...> wrote:
>
> Ishita....This 'White Queen' is about Anne Neville...I know you would not be able to read certain parts without tears...Why do we do this to ourselves???? Eileen
>
> --- In , Ishita Bandyo <bandyoi@> wrote:
> >
> > Most of these good books are second hand. I had to buy SomTouch from Albris too. I wish they were in print or at least turned into ebooks.......Is this White Queen about Elizabeth Woodville or Anne? You know, like the PG one:)
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> > On Dec 19, 2012, at 5:13 PM, "EileenB" <cherryripe.eileenb@> wrote:
> >
> > > OK David...but another one for the DO list....The White Queen by Lesley J Nickell...
> > >
> > > This was the one I was referring to in my answer to Paul's posting re Some Touch of Pity...I am afraid I got them mixed up.....this is the one that is very moving with regard to Richard trying to give to Anne some reason for living after the death of their son....
> > >
> > > I should imagine you can only get this 2nd hand now....Eileen
> > >
> > > --- In , david rayner <theblackprussian@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Whatever you do DON'T read Kings of Albion by Julian Rathbone. The depiction of Richard in this is absolutely horrible.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________
> > > > From: colyngbourne <[email protected]>
> > > > To:
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, 19 December 2012, 16:49
> > > > Subject: Re: Rhoda Edwards WAS Richard's Scribes
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > My top Ricardian fiction reads are - We Speak No Treason, The Sunne in Splendour, Some Touch of Pity, and the playscript for Dickon by Gordon Daviot/Josephine Tey.
> > > >
> > > > I have yet to read the Carleton but it sounds good.
> > > > I also like The Killing of Richard III by Robert Farrington
> > > >
> > > > I dislike The Seventh Son.
> > > >
> > > > --- In , Ishita Bandyo <bandyoi@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Eileen, those are the things that put me off. But I will definitely finish it now.
> > > > > Â My most fav is of course Sunne in Splendor and Some Touch of Pity is second. Third is so far The Seventh Son. And worst on my list is Dickon!! Could not get over the devil thing:/
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > From: EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@>
> > > > > To:
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 11:31 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: Rhoda Edwards WAS Richard's Scribes
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Â
> > > > > Maire...perhaps 'dated' is the wrong word...but a couple of time the descriptions of Richard as being small/little etc., I found momentarily toe curlingly embarrassing and rather odd. I dont think you would find these types of descriptions in a modern novel..This is what a mean by dated...However...If you can bear with this and not let such little...well teeny faults...turn you off the book is a thunderingly good read and amongst the best of Ricardian novels...Eileen
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In , "mairemulholland" <mairemulholland@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Can you tell me some of the things that are dated? I know the book has a controversial point of view on the fate of the princes but even that is handled so masterfully that you really almost understand Richard's point of view. My only complaint about the book is that it ends very abruptly without any consideration from the surviving characters. Maire.
> > > > > > --- In , "EileenB" <cherryripe.eileenb@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Maire...Im glad you too are enjoying Patrick Carleton's 'Under the Hog"....I am always banging on about it on here....It is a little dated in parts as it was written in the 1930s but some of the descriptions/conversations just absolutely cannot be beat...Eileen
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In , "mairemulholland" <mairemulholland@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I'm going with Patrick Carleton's book. I reread one chapter last night which is a sort of "day in the life" of Richard. It follows him from waking to court procedures to deer hunting to a big gala in the evening. Just wonderful descriptions of medieval court life and intuitive insight into Richard's seriousness of purpose. Such a great book! Maire.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In , Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I still say it is the best novel about Richard so far, and beats Sharon Penman's Sunne in Splendour into a cocked hat, as we say her in Blighty!
> > > > > > > > > Paul
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On 18 Dec 2012, at 23:00, mairemulholland wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > "Some Touch of Pity" is so much more evocative than "The Broken Sword." I first read it as a kid traveling to and from NYC by train on my first (hated) job. Thanks to Richard and Rhoda, I could forget myself for a while! Maire.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > --- In , "George Butterfield" wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Typically the titles are changed either because they are already in
> > > > > > > > > > copyright ISBN code or have a totally different meaning in another country.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > George
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > From:
> > > > > > > > > > [mailto:] On Behalf Of mairemulholland
> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 2:26 PM
> > > > > > > > > > To:
> > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Rhoda Edwards WAS Richard's Scribes
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Oh, yeah, it's a real tearjerker. I think "Some Touch of Pity" is the
> > > > > > > > > > British title. For some reason it was changed when published in the USA. Go
> > > > > > > > > > figure! Maire.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > --- In
> > > > > > > > > > , Richard Yahoo wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The Broken Sword and the Some Touch of Pity are the same books with
> > > > > > > > > > different names. I wonder why?!
> > > > > > > > > > Loved the Broken Sword but was too sad at the end:/
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Ishita Bandyo
> > > > > > > > > > www.ishitabandyo.com
> > > > > > > > > > www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
> > > > > > > > > > www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Dec 18, 2012, at 1:19 PM, "oregon_katy" wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > --- In
> > > > > > > > > > , "mairemulholland" wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I'm pretty sure that the characters of Robert Bolman and Richard Bele -
> > > > > > > > > > dramatised in Rhoda Edward's The Broken Sword were actual workers in
> > > > > > > > > > Richard's office. Maire.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Katy:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > My thought was "Why don't we ask her?" so I tried to look her up -- many
> > > > > > > > > > authors have web sites or Facebook pages.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Rhoda Edwards doesn't. I was able to find out very little about her. Maybe
> > > > > > > > > > the back cover or introduction to one of her books has more.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Her published works are listed as
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Some Touch of Pity
> > > > > > > > > > Fortune's Wheel
> > > > > > > > > > The Itinerary of King Richard III, 1483-1485
> > > > > > > > > > None But Elizabeth
> > > > > > > > > > The Broken Sword
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The Itinerary of King Richard III sounds intriguing. Has anyone read it?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Katy
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Richard Liveth Yet!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
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The names are "von Poppelau" and "Visser-Fuchs" - which might help;)

----- Original Message -----
From: mairemulholland
To:
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 2:46 PM
Subject: Re: Rhoda Edwards WAS Richard's Scribes



I think we do it to ourselves because we can't resist the drama of Richard's life. How much life did that man pack into 32 years! How could you not be drawn to it? I'm now going to order The White Queen!

Can somebody help me with this: I am very anxious to get my hands on Von Poppelea's memoirs. It looks like Livia Misser-Fuchs translated it but I don't see it listed anywhere. I've always been drawn to this view of Richard because it is so different from all other contemporary reports. Maire.

--- In , "EileenB" <cherryripe.eileenb@...> wrote:
>
> Ishita....This 'White Queen' is about Anne Neville...I know you would not be able to read certain parts without tears...Why do we do this to ourselves???? Eileen
>
> --- In , Ishita Bandyo <bandyoi@> wrote:
> >
> > Most of these good books are second hand. I had to buy SomTouch from Albris too. I wish they were in print or at least turned into ebooks.......Is this White Queen about Elizabeth Woodville or Anne? You know, like the PG one:)
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> > On Dec 19, 2012, at 5:13 PM, "EileenB" <cherryripe.eileenb@> wrote:
> >
> > > OK David...but another one for the DO list....The White Queen by Lesley J Nickell...
> > >
> > > This was the one I was referring to in my answer to Paul's posting re Some Touch of Pity...I am afraid I got them mixed up.....this is the one that is very moving with regard to Richard trying to give to Anne some reason for living after the death of their son....
> > >
> > > I should imagine you can only get this 2nd hand now....Eileen
> > >
> > > --- In , david rayner <theblackprussian@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Whatever you do DON'T read Kings of Albion by Julian Rathbone. The depiction of Richard in this is absolutely horrible.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________
> > > > From: colyngbourne <[email protected]>
> > > > To:
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, 19 December 2012, 16:49
> > > > Subject: Re: Rhoda Edwards WAS Richard's Scribes
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > My top Ricardian fiction reads are - We Speak No Treason, The Sunne in Splendour, Some Touch of Pity, and the playscript for Dickon by Gordon Daviot/Josephine Tey.
> > > >
> > > > I have yet to read the Carleton but it sounds good.
> > > > I also like The Killing of Richard III by Robert Farrington
> > > >
> > > > I dislike The Seventh Son.
> > > >
> > > > --- In , Ishita Bandyo <bandyoi@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Eileen, those are the things that put me off. But I will definitely finish it now.
> > > > > Ã, My most fav is of course Sunne in Splendor and Some Touch of Pity is second. Third is so far The Seventh Son. And worst on my list is Dickon!! Could not get over the devil thing:/
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > From: EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@>
> > > > > To:
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 11:31 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: Rhoda Edwards WAS Richard's Scribes
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Ã,
> > > > > Maire...perhaps 'dated' is the wrong word...but a couple of time the descriptions of Richard as being small/little etc., I found momentarily toe curlingly embarrassing and rather odd. I dont think you would find these types of descriptions in a modern novel..This is what a mean by dated...However...If you can bear with this and not let such little...well teeny faults...turn you off the book is a thunderingly good read and amongst the best of Ricardian novels...Eileen
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In , "mairemulholland" <mairemulholland@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Can you tell me some of the things that are dated? I know the book has a controversial point of view on the fate of the princes but even that is handled so masterfully that you really almost understand Richard's point of view. My only complaint about the book is that it ends very abruptly without any consideration from the surviving characters. Maire.
> > > > > > --- In , "EileenB" <cherryripe.eileenb@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Maire...Im glad you too are enjoying Patrick Carleton's 'Under the Hog"....I am always banging on about it on here....It is a little dated in parts as it was written in the 1930s but some of the descriptions/conversations just absolutely cannot be beat...Eileen
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In , "mairemulholland" <mairemulholland@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I'm going with Patrick Carleton's book. I reread one chapter last night which is a sort of "day in the life" of Richard. It follows him from waking to court procedures to deer hunting to a big gala in the evening. Just wonderful descriptions of medieval court life and intuitive insight into Richard's seriousness of purpose. Such a great book! Maire.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In , Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I still say it is the best novel about Richard so far, and beats Sharon Penman's Sunne in Splendour into a cocked hat, as we say her in Blighty!
> > > > > > > > > Paul
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On 18 Dec 2012, at 23:00, mairemulholland wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > "Some Touch of Pity" is so much more evocative than "The Broken Sword." I first read it as a kid traveling to and from NYC by train on my first (hated) job. Thanks to Richard and Rhoda, I could forget myself for a while! Maire.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > --- In , "George Butterfield" wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Typically the titles are changed either because they are already in
> > > > > > > > > > copyright ISBN code or have a totally different meaning in another country.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > George
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > From:
> > > > > > > > > > [mailto:] On Behalf Of mairemulholland
> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 2:26 PM
> > > > > > > > > > To:
> > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Rhoda Edwards WAS Richard's Scribes
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Oh, yeah, it's a real tearjerker. I think "Some Touch of Pity" is the
> > > > > > > > > > British title. For some reason it was changed when published in the USA. Go
> > > > > > > > > > figure! Maire.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > --- In
> > > > > > > > > > , Richard Yahoo wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The Broken Sword and the Some Touch of Pity are the same books with
> > > > > > > > > > different names. I wonder why?!
> > > > > > > > > > Loved the Broken Sword but was too sad at the end:/
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Ishita Bandyo
> > > > > > > > > > www.ishitabandyo.com
> > > > > > > > > > www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
> > > > > > > > > > www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Dec 18, 2012, at 1:19 PM, "oregon_katy" wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > --- In
> > > > > > > > > > , "mairemulholland" wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I'm pretty sure that the characters of Robert Bolman and Richard Bele -
> > > > > > > > > > dramatised in Rhoda Edward's The Broken Sword were actual workers in
> > > > > > > > > > Richard's office. Maire.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Katy:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > My thought was "Why don't we ask her?" so I tried to look her up -- many
> > > > > > > > > > authors have web sites or Facebook pages.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Rhoda Edwards doesn't. I was able to find out very little about her. Maybe
> > > > > > > > > > the back cover or introduction to one of her books has more.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Her published works are listed as
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Some Touch of Pity
> > > > > > > > > > Fortune's Wheel
> > > > > > > > > > The Itinerary of King Richard III, 1483-1485
> > > > > > > > > > None But Elizabeth
> > > > > > > > > > The Broken Sword
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The Itinerary of King Richard III sounds intriguing. Has anyone read it?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Katy
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Richard Liveth Yet!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
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> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

For those of you short on funds the Uni of Adalade in Australia has a very good selection of on line books I will submit the address once I can get to a puter
George

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 19, 2012, at 11:49 PM, Ishita Bandyo <bandyoi@...> wrote:

> Eileen, what do you mean? ...... Anyhow I did start reading Under the Hog! Also ordered The White Queen and Killing of Riii from albris! Just when I was feeling bereft about not having any more Ricardian novels to read! We have so many authors here, come on guys start writing 1000 page novels about R! I need to filll my coffer with more books:)
>
> ________________________________
> From: EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@...>
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 1:25 PM
> Subject: Re: Rhoda Edwards WAS Richard's Scribes
>
>
>
> Ishita...its always a good idea to also hear about those that people don't like...It might save some of us a bit of money :0) Eileen
>
> --- In , Ishita Bandyo <bandyoi@...> wrote:
> >
> > Eileen, those are the things that put me off. But I will definitely finish it now.
> > Â My most fav is of course Sunne in Splendor and Some Touch of Pity is second. Third is so far The Seventh Son. And worst on my list is Dickon!! Could not get over the devil thing:/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@...>
> > To:
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 11:31 AM
> > Subject: Re: Rhoda Edwards WAS Richard's Scribes
> >
> >
> > Â
> > Maire...perhaps 'dated' is the wrong word...but a couple of time the descriptions of Richard as being small/little etc., I found momentarily toe curlingly embarrassing and rather odd. I dont think you would find these types of descriptions in a modern novel..This is what a mean by dated...However...If you can bear with this and not let such little...well teeny faults...turn you off the book is a thunderingly good read and amongst the best of Ricardian novels...Eileen
> >
> > --- In , "mairemulholland" <mairemulholland@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Can you tell me some of the things that are dated? I know the book has a controversial point of view on the fate of the princes but even that is handled so masterfully that you really almost understand Richard's point of view. My only complaint about the book is that it ends very abruptly without any consideration from the surviving characters. Maire.
> > > --- In , "EileenB" <cherryripe.eileenb@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Maire...Im glad you too are enjoying Patrick Carleton's 'Under the Hog"....I am always banging on about it on here....It is a little dated in parts as it was written in the 1930s but some of the descriptions/conversations just absolutely cannot be beat...Eileen
> > > >
> > > > --- In , "mairemulholland" <mairemulholland@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm going with Patrick Carleton's book. I reread one chapter last night which is a sort of "day in the life" of Richard. It follows him from waking to court procedures to deer hunting to a big gala in the evening. Just wonderful descriptions of medieval court life and intuitive insight into Richard's seriousness of purpose. Such a great book! Maire.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In , Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I still say it is the best novel about Richard so far, and beats Sharon Penman's Sunne in Splendour into a cocked hat, as we say her in Blighty!
> > > > > > Paul
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 18 Dec 2012, at 23:00, mairemulholland wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Some Touch of Pity" is so much more evocative than "The Broken Sword." I first read it as a kid traveling to and from NYC by train on my first (hated) job. Thanks to Richard and Rhoda, I could forget myself for a while! Maire.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In , "George Butterfield" wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Typically the titles are changed either because they are already in
> > > > > > > copyright ISBN code or have a totally different meaning in another country.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > George
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > From:
> > > > > > > [mailto:] On Behalf Of mairemulholland
> > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 2:26 PM
> > > > > > > To:
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Rhoda Edwards WAS Richard's Scribes
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Oh, yeah, it's a real tearjerker. I think "Some Touch of Pity" is the
> > > > > > > British title. For some reason it was changed when published in the USA. Go
> > > > > > > figure! Maire.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In
> > > > > > > , Richard Yahoo wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The Broken Sword and the Some Touch of Pity are the same books with
> > > > > > > different names. I wonder why?!
> > > > > > > Loved the Broken Sword but was too sad at the end:/
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ishita Bandyo
> > > > > > > www.ishitabandyo.com
> > > > > > > www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
> > > > > > > www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Dec 18, 2012, at 1:19 PM, "oregon_katy" wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In
> > > > > > > , "mairemulholland" wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm pretty sure that the characters of Robert Bolman and Richard Bele -
> > > > > > > dramatised in Rhoda Edward's The Broken Sword were actual workers in
> > > > > > > Richard's office. Maire.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Katy:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > My thought was "Why don't we ask her?" so I tried to look her up -- many
> > > > > > > authors have web sites or Facebook pages.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Rhoda Edwards doesn't. I was able to find out very little about her. Maybe
> > > > > > > the back cover or introduction to one of her books has more.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Her published works are listed as
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Some Touch of Pity
> > > > > > > Fortune's Wheel
> > > > > > > The Itinerary of King Richard III, 1483-1485
> > > > > > > None But Elizabeth
> > > > > > > The Broken Sword
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The Itinerary of King Richard III sounds intriguing. Has anyone read it?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Katy
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ------------------------------------
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Richard Liveth Yet!
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>

If you locate that Visser-Fuchs translation, point me to it...thanks!

Judy
 
Loyaulte me lie


________________________________
From: Stephen Lark <stephenmlark@...>
To:
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 10:14 AM
Subject: Re: Rhoda Edwards WAS Richard's Scribes


 
The names are "von Poppelau" and "Visser-Fuchs" - which might help;)

----- Original Message -----
From: mairemulholland
To:
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 2:46 PM
Subject: Re: Rhoda Edwards WAS Richard's Scribes

I think we do it to ourselves because we can't resist the drama of Richard's life. How much life did that man pack into 32 years! How could you not be drawn to it? I'm now going to order The White Queen!

Can somebody help me with this: I am very anxious to get my hands on Von Poppelea's memoirs. It looks like Livia Misser-Fuchs translated it but I don't see it listed anywhere. I've always been drawn to this view of Richard because it is so different from all other contemporary reports. Maire.

--- In , "EileenB" <cherryripe.eileenb@...> wrote:
>
> Ishita....This 'White Queen' is about Anne Neville...I know you would not be able to read certain parts without tears...Why do we do this to ourselves???? Eileen
>
> --- In , Ishita Bandyo <bandyoi@> wrote:
> >
> > Most of these good books are second hand. I had to buy SomTouch from Albris too. I wish they were in print or at least turned into ebooks.......Is this White Queen about Elizabeth Woodville or Anne? You know, like the PG one:)
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> > On Dec 19, 2012, at 5:13 PM, "EileenB" <cherryripe.eileenb@> wrote:
> >
> > > OK David...but another one for the DO list....The White Queen by Lesley J Nickell...
> > >
> > > This was the one I was referring to in my answer to Paul's posting re Some Touch of Pity...I am afraid I got them mixed up.....this is the one that is very moving with regard to Richard trying to give to Anne some reason for living after the death of their son....
> > >
> > > I should imagine you can only get this 2nd hand now....Eileen
> > >
> > > --- In , david rayner <theblackprussian@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Whatever you do DON'T read Kings of Albion by Julian Rathbone. The depiction of Richard in this is absolutely horrible.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________
> > > > From: colyngbourne <[email protected]>
> > > > To:
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, 19 December 2012, 16:49
> > > > Subject: Re: Rhoda Edwards WAS Richard's Scribes
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > My top Ricardian fiction reads are - We Speak No Treason, The Sunne in Splendour, Some Touch of Pity, and the playscript for Dickon by Gordon Daviot/Josephine Tey.
> > > >
> > > > I have yet to read the Carleton but it sounds good.
> > > > I also like The Killing of Richard III by Robert Farrington
> > > >
> > > > I dislike The Seventh Son.
> > > >
> > > > --- In , Ishita Bandyo <bandyoi@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Eileen, those are the things that put me off. But I will definitely finish it now.
> > > > > Ã, My most fav is of course Sunne in Splendor and Some Touch of Pity is second. Third is so far The Seventh Son. And worst on my list is Dickon!! Could not get over the devil thing:/
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > From: EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@>
> > > > > To:
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 11:31 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: Rhoda Edwards WAS Richard's Scribes
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Ã,
> > > > > Maire...perhaps 'dated' is the wrong word...but a couple of time the descriptions of Richard as being small/little etc., I found momentarily toe curlingly embarrassing and rather odd. I dont think you would find these types of descriptions in a modern novel..This is what a mean by dated...However...If you can bear with this and not let such little...well teeny faults...turn you off the book is a thunderingly good read and amongst the best of Ricardian novels...Eileen
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In , "mairemulholland" <mairemulholland@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Can you tell me some of the things that are dated? I know the book has a controversial point of view on the fate of the princes but even that is handled so masterfully that you really almost understand Richard's point of view. My only complaint about the book is that it ends very abruptly without any consideration from the surviving characters. Maire.
> > > > > > --- In , "EileenB" <cherryripe.eileenb@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Maire...Im glad you too are enjoying Patrick Carleton's 'Under the Hog"....I am always banging on about it on here....It is a little dated in parts as it was written in the 1930s but some of the descriptions/conversations just absolutely cannot be beat...Eileen
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In , "mairemulholland" <mairemulholland@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I'm going with Patrick Carleton's book. I reread one chapter last night which is a sort of "day in the life" of Richard. It follows him from waking to court procedures to deer hunting to a big gala in the evening. Just wonderful descriptions of medieval court life and intuitive insight into Richard's seriousness of purpose. Such a great book! Maire.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In , Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I still say it is the best novel about Richard so far, and beats Sharon Penman's Sunne in Splendour into a cocked hat, as we say her in Blighty!
> > > > > > > > > Paul
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On 18 Dec 2012, at 23:00, mairemulholland wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > "Some Touch of Pity" is so much more evocative than "The Broken Sword." I first read it as a kid traveling to and from NYC by train on my first (hated) job. Thanks to Richard and Rhoda, I could forget myself for a while! Maire.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > --- In , "George Butterfield" wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Typically the titles are changed either because they are already in
> > > > > > > > > > copyright ISBN code or have a totally different meaning in another country.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > George
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > From:
> > > > > > > > > > [mailto:] On Behalf Of mairemulholland
> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 2:26 PM
> > > > > > > > > > To:
> > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Rhoda Edwards WAS Richard's Scribes
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Oh, yeah, it's a real tearjerker. I think "Some Touch of Pity" is the
> > > > > > > > > > British title. For some reason it was changed when published in the USA. Go
> > > > > > > > > > figure! Maire.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > --- In
> > > > > > > > > > , Richard Yahoo wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The Broken Sword and the Some Touch of Pity are the same books with
> > > > > > > > > > different names. I wonder why?!
> > > > > > > > > > Loved the Broken Sword but was too sad at the end:/
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Ishita Bandyo
> > > > > > > > > > www.ishitabandyo.com
> > > > > > > > > > www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
> > > > > > > > > > www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Dec 18, 2012, at 1:19 PM, "oregon_katy" wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > --- In
> > > > > > > > > > , "mairemulholland" wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I'm pretty sure that the characters of Robert Bolman and Richard Bele -
> > > > > > > > > > dramatised in Rhoda Edward's The Broken Sword were actual workers in
> > > > > > > > > > Richard's office. Maire.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Katy:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > My thought was "Why don't we ask her?" so I tried to look her up -- many
> > > > > > > > > > authors have web sites or Facebook pages.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Rhoda Edwards doesn't. I was able to find out very little about her. Maybe
> > > > > > > > > > the back cover or introduction to one of her books has more.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Her published works are listed as
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Some Touch of Pity
> > > > > > > > > > Fortune's Wheel
> > > > > > > > > > The Itinerary of King Richard III, 1483-1485
> > > > > > > > > > None But Elizabeth
> > > > > > > > > > The Broken Sword
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The Itinerary of King Richard III sounds intriguing. Has anyone read it?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Katy
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Richard Liveth Yet!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> >
>

Ordered the White Queen on Albris for $.1! Now gotta buy a box of Kleenex for $3! Went through a box while reading Broken Sword.......




________________________________
From: EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@...>
To:
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 8:52 AM
Subject: Re: Rhoda Edwards WAS Richard's Scribes


 
Ishita....This 'White Queen' is about Anne Neville...I know you would not be able to read certain parts without tears...Why do we do this to ourselves???? Eileen

--- In , Ishita Bandyo <bandyoi@...> wrote:
>
> Most of these good books are second hand. I had to buy SomTouch from Albris too. I wish they were in print or at least turned into ebooks.......Is this White Queen about Elizabeth Woodville or Anne? You know, like the PG one:)
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Dec 19, 2012, at 5:13 PM, "EileenB" <cherryripe.eileenb@...> wrote:
>
> > OK David...but another one for the DO list....The White Queen by Lesley J Nickell...
> >
> > This was the one I was referring to in my answer to Paul's posting re Some Touch of Pity...I am afraid I got them mixed up.....this is the one that is very moving with regard to Richard trying to give to Anne some reason for living after the death of their son....
> >
> > I should imagine you can only get this 2nd hand now....Eileen
> >
> > --- In , david rayner <theblackprussian@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Whatever you do DON'T read Kings of Albion by Julian Rathbone. The depiction of Richard in this is absolutely horrible.
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: colyngbourne <[email protected]>
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Wednesday, 19 December 2012, 16:49
> > > Subject: Re: Rhoda Edwards WAS Richard's Scribes
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > My top Ricardian fiction reads are - We Speak No Treason, The Sunne in Splendour, Some Touch of Pity, and the playscript for Dickon by Gordon Daviot/Josephine Tey.
> > >
> > > I have yet to read the Carleton but it sounds good.
> > > I also like The Killing of Richard III by Robert Farrington
> > >
> > > I dislike The Seventh Son.
> > >
> > > --- In , Ishita Bandyo <bandyoi@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Eileen, those are the things that put me off. But I will definitely finish it now.
> > > > Ã My most fav is of course Sunne in Splendor and Some Touch of Pity is second. Third is so far The Seventh Son. And worst on my list is Dickon!! Could not get over the devil thing:/
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________
> > > > From: EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@>
> > > > To:
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 11:31 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: Rhoda Edwards WAS Richard's Scribes
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ã
> > > > Maire...perhaps 'dated' is the wrong word...but a couple of time the descriptions of Richard as being small/little etc., I found momentarily toe curlingly embarrassing and rather odd. I dont think you would find these types of descriptions in a modern novel..This is what a mean by dated...However...If you can bear with this and not let such little...well teeny faults...turn you off the book is a thunderingly good read and amongst the best of Ricardian novels...Eileen
> > > >
> > > > --- In , "mairemulholland" <mairemulholland@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Can you tell me some of the things that are dated? I know the book has a controversial point of view on the fate of the princes but even that is handled so masterfully that you really almost understand Richard's point of view. My only complaint about the book is that it ends very abruptly without any consideration from the surviving characters. Maire.
> > > > > --- In , "EileenB" <cherryripe.eileenb@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Maire...Im glad you too are enjoying Patrick Carleton's 'Under the Hog"....I am always banging on about it on here....It is a little dated in parts as it was written in the 1930s but some of the descriptions/conversations just absolutely cannot be beat...Eileen
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In , "mairemulholland" <mairemulholland@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm going with Patrick Carleton's book. I reread one chapter last night which is a sort of "day in the life" of Richard. It follows him from waking to court procedures to deer hunting to a big gala in the evening. Just wonderful descriptions of medieval court life and intuitive insight into Richard's seriousness of purpose. Such a great book! Maire.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In , Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I still say it is the best novel about Richard so far, and beats Sharon Penman's Sunne in Splendour into a cocked hat, as we say her in Blighty!
> > > > > > > > Paul
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On 18 Dec 2012, at 23:00, mairemulholland wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "Some Touch of Pity" is so much more evocative than "The Broken Sword." I first read it as a kid traveling to and from NYC by train on my first (hated) job. Thanks to Richard and Rhoda, I could forget myself for a while! Maire.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In , "George Butterfield" wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Typically the titles are changed either because they are already in
> > > > > > > > > copyright ISBN code or have a totally different meaning in another country.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > George
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > From:
> > > > > > > > > [mailto:] On Behalf Of mairemulholland
> > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 2:26 PM
> > > > > > > > > To:
> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Rhoda Edwards WAS Richard's Scribes
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Oh, yeah, it's a real tearjerker. I think "Some Touch of Pity" is the
> > > > > > > > > British title. For some reason it was changed when published in the USA. Go
> > > > > > > > > figure! Maire.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In
> > > > > > > > > , Richard Yahoo wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The Broken Sword and the Some Touch of Pity are the same books with
> > > > > > > > > different names. I wonder why?!
> > > > > > > > > Loved the Broken Sword but was too sad at the end:/
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Ishita Bandyo
> > > > > > > > > www.ishitabandyo.com
> > > > > > > > > www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
> > > > > > > > > www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Dec 18, 2012, at 1:19 PM, "oregon_katy" wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In
> > > > > > > > > , "mairemulholland" wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I'm pretty sure that the characters of Robert Bolman and Richard Bele -
> > > > > > > > > dramatised in Rhoda Edward's The Broken Sword were actual workers in
> > > > > > > > > Richard's office. Maire.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Katy:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > My thought was "Why don't we ask her?" so I tried to look her up -- many
> > > > > > > > > authors have web sites or Facebook pages.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Rhoda Edwards doesn't. I was able to find out very little about her. Maybe
> > > > > > > > > the back cover or introduction to one of her books has more.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Her published works are listed as
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Some Touch of Pity
> > > > > > > > > Fortune's Wheel
> > > > > > > > > The Itinerary of King Richard III, 1483-1485
> > > > > > > > > None But Elizabeth
> > > > > > > > > The Broken Sword
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The Itinerary of King Richard III sounds intriguing. Has anyone read it?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Katy
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Richard Liveth Yet!
> > > > > > > >
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Yes, I had the spelling correct when I googled those names yesterday. Nothing turned up. Maire.

--- In , "Stephen Lark" <stephenmlark@...> wrote:
>
> The names are "von Poppelau" and "Visser-Fuchs" - which might help;)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: mairemulholland
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 2:46 PM
> Subject: Re: Rhoda Edwards WAS Richard's Scribes
>
>
>
> I think we do it to ourselves because we can't resist the drama of Richard's life. How much life did that man pack into 32 years! How could you not be drawn to it? I'm now going to order The White Queen!
>
> Can somebody help me with this: I am very anxious to get my hands on Von Poppelea's memoirs. It looks like Livia Misser-Fuchs translated it but I don't see it listed anywhere. I've always been drawn to this view of Richard because it is so different from all other contemporary reports. Maire.
>
> --- In , "EileenB" <cherryripe.eileenb@> wrote:
> >
> > Ishita....This 'White Queen' is about Anne Neville...I know you would not be able to read certain parts without tears...Why do we do this to ourselves???? Eileen
> >
> > --- In , Ishita Bandyo <bandyoi@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Most of these good books are second hand. I had to buy SomTouch from Albris too. I wish they were in print or at least turned into ebooks.......Is this White Queen about Elizabeth Woodville or Anne? You know, like the PG one:)
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPad
> > >
> > > On Dec 19, 2012, at 5:13 PM, "EileenB" <cherryripe.eileenb@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > OK David...but another one for the DO list....The White Queen by Lesley J Nickell...
> > > >
> > > > This was the one I was referring to in my answer to Paul's posting re Some Touch of Pity...I am afraid I got them mixed up.....this is the one that is very moving with regard to Richard trying to give to Anne some reason for living after the death of their son....
> > > >
> > > > I should imagine you can only get this 2nd hand now....Eileen
> > > >
> > > > --- In , david rayner <theblackprussian@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Whatever you do DON'T read Kings of Albion by Julian Rathbone. The depiction of Richard in this is absolutely horrible.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > From: colyngbourne <[email protected]>
> > > > > To:
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, 19 December 2012, 16:49
> > > > > Subject: Re: Rhoda Edwards WAS Richard's Scribes
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > My top Ricardian fiction reads are - We Speak No Treason, The Sunne in Splendour, Some Touch of Pity, and the playscript for Dickon by Gordon Daviot/Josephine Tey.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have yet to read the Carleton but it sounds good.
> > > > > I also like The Killing of Richard III by Robert Farrington
> > > > >
> > > > > I dislike The Seventh Son.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In , Ishita Bandyo <bandyoi@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Eileen, those are the things that put me off. But I will definitely finish it now.
> > > > > > Ã, My most fav is of course Sunne in Splendor and Some Touch of Pity is second. Third is so far The Seventh Son. And worst on my list is Dickon!! Could not get over the devil thing:/
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > > From: EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@>
> > > > > > To:
> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 11:31 AM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Rhoda Edwards WAS Richard's Scribes
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ã,
> > > > > > Maire...perhaps 'dated' is the wrong word...but a couple of time the descriptions of Richard as being small/little etc., I found momentarily toe curlingly embarrassing and rather odd. I dont think you would find these types of descriptions in a modern novel..This is what a mean by dated...However...If you can bear with this and not let such little...well teeny faults...turn you off the book is a thunderingly good read and amongst the best of Ricardian novels...Eileen
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In , "mairemulholland" <mairemulholland@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Can you tell me some of the things that are dated? I know the book has a controversial point of view on the fate of the princes but even that is handled so masterfully that you really almost understand Richard's point of view. My only complaint about the book is that it ends very abruptly without any consideration from the surviving characters. Maire.
> > > > > > > --- In , "EileenB" <cherryripe.eileenb@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Maire...Im glad you too are enjoying Patrick Carleton's 'Under the Hog"....I am always banging on about it on here....It is a little dated in parts as it was written in the 1930s but some of the descriptions/conversations just absolutely cannot be beat...Eileen
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In , "mairemulholland" <mairemulholland@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I'm going with Patrick Carleton's book. I reread one chapter last night which is a sort of "day in the life" of Richard. It follows him from waking to court procedures to deer hunting to a big gala in the evening. Just wonderful descriptions of medieval court life and intuitive insight into Richard's seriousness of purpose. Such a great book! Maire.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In , Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I still say it is the best novel about Richard so far, and beats Sharon Penman's Sunne in Splendour into a cocked hat, as we say her in Blighty!
> > > > > > > > > > Paul
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On 18 Dec 2012, at 23:00, mairemulholland wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > "Some Touch of Pity" is so much more evocative than "The Broken Sword." I first read it as a kid traveling to and from NYC by train on my first (hated) job. Thanks to Richard and Rhoda, I could forget myself for a while! Maire.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > --- In , "George Butterfield" wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Typically the titles are changed either because they are already in
> > > > > > > > > > > copyright ISBN code or have a totally different meaning in another country.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > George
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > From:
> > > > > > > > > > > [mailto:] On Behalf Of mairemulholland
> > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 2:26 PM
> > > > > > > > > > > To:
> > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Rhoda Edwards WAS Richard's Scribes
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Oh, yeah, it's a real tearjerker. I think "Some Touch of Pity" is the
> > > > > > > > > > > British title. For some reason it was changed when published in the USA. Go
> > > > > > > > > > > figure! Maire.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > --- In
> > > > > > > > > > > , Richard Yahoo wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > The Broken Sword and the Some Touch of Pity are the same books with
> > > > > > > > > > > different names. I wonder why?!
> > > > > > > > > > > Loved the Broken Sword but was too sad at the end:/
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Ishita Bandyo
> > > > > > > > > > > www.ishitabandyo.com
> > > > > > > > > > > www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
> > > > > > > > > > > www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 18, 2012, at 1:19 PM, "oregon_katy" wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > --- In
> > > > > > > > > > > , "mairemulholland" wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I'm pretty sure that the characters of Robert Bolman and Richard Bele -
> > > > > > > > > > > dramatised in Rhoda Edward's The Broken Sword were actual workers in
> > > > > > > > > > > Richard's office. Maire.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Katy:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > My thought was "Why don't we ask her?" so I tried to look her up -- many
> > > > > > > > > > > authors have web sites or Facebook pages.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Rhoda Edwards doesn't. I was able to find out very little about her. Maybe
> > > > > > > > > > > the back cover or introduction to one of her books has more.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Her published works are listed as
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Some Touch of Pity
> > > > > > > > > > > Fortune's Wheel
> > > > > > > > > > > The Itinerary of King Richard III, 1483-1485
> > > > > > > > > > > None But Elizabeth
> > > > > > > > > > > The Broken Sword
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > The Itinerary of King Richard III sounds intriguing. Has anyone read it?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Katy
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Richard Liveth Yet!
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If you order Volume XI of the Ricardian it has an article on von Poppelau by Visser-Fuchs. Also, I somehow ended up at Richard Armitage's website and he admitted that he couldn't find the translation, either. He did suggest that folks read "Richard the Third and the Death of Chivalry." Maire.

--- In , Judy Thomson <judygerard.thomson@...> wrote:
>
> If you locate that Visser-Fuchs translation, point me to it...thanks!
>
> Judy
>  
> Loyaulte me lie
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Stephen Lark <stephenmlark@...>
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 10:14 AM
> Subject: Re: Rhoda Edwards WAS Richard's Scribes
>
>
>  
> The names are "von Poppelau" and "Visser-Fuchs" - which might help;)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: mairemulholland
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 2:46 PM
> Subject: Re: Rhoda Edwards WAS Richard's Scribes
>
> I think we do it to ourselves because we can't resist the drama of Richard's life. How much life did that man pack into 32 years! How could you not be drawn to it? I'm now going to order The White Queen!
>
> Can somebody help me with this: I am very anxious to get my hands on Von Poppelea's memoirs. It looks like Livia Misser-Fuchs translated it but I don't see it listed anywhere. I've always been drawn to this view of Richard because it is so different from all other contemporary reports. Maire.
>
> --- In , "EileenB" <cherryripe.eileenb@> wrote:
> >
> > Ishita....This 'White Queen' is about Anne Neville...I know you would not be able to read certain parts without tears...Why do we do this to ourselves???? Eileen
> >
> > --- In , Ishita Bandyo <bandyoi@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Most of these good books are second hand. I had to buy SomTouch from Albris too. I wish they were in print or at least turned into ebooks.......Is this White Queen about Elizabeth Woodville or Anne? You know, like the PG one:)
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPad
> > >
> > > On Dec 19, 2012, at 5:13 PM, "EileenB" <cherryripe.eileenb@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > OK David...but another one for the DO list....The White Queen by Lesley J Nickell...
> > > >
> > > > This was the one I was referring to in my answer to Paul's posting re Some Touch of Pity...I am afraid I got them mixed up.....this is the one that is very moving with regard to Richard trying to give to Anne some reason for living after the death of their son....
> > > >
> > > > I should imagine you can only get this 2nd hand now....Eileen
> > > >
> > > > --- In , david rayner <theblackprussian@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Whatever you do DON'T read Kings of Albion by Julian Rathbone. The depiction of Richard in this is absolutely horrible.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > From: colyngbourne <[email protected]>
> > > > > To:
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, 19 December 2012, 16:49
> > > > > Subject: Re: Rhoda Edwards WAS Richard's Scribes
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > My top Ricardian fiction reads are - We Speak No Treason, The Sunne in Splendour, Some Touch of Pity, and the playscript for Dickon by Gordon Daviot/Josephine Tey.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have yet to read the Carleton but it sounds good.
> > > > > I also like The Killing of Richard III by Robert Farrington
> > > > >
> > > > > I dislike The Seventh Son.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In , Ishita Bandyo <bandyoi@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Eileen, those are the things that put me off. But I will definitely finish it now.
> > > > > > Ã, My most fav is of course Sunne in Splendor and Some Touch of Pity is second. Third is so far The Seventh Son. And worst on my list is Dickon!! Could not get over the devil thing:/
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > > From: EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@>
> > > > > > To:
> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 11:31 AM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Rhoda Edwards WAS Richard's Scribes
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ã,
> > > > > > Maire...perhaps 'dated' is the wrong word...but a couple of time the descriptions of Richard as being small/little etc., I found momentarily toe curlingly embarrassing and rather odd. I dont think you would find these types of descriptions in a modern novel..This is what a mean by dated...However...If you can bear with this and not let such little...well teeny faults...turn you off the book is a thunderingly good read and amongst the best of Ricardian novels...Eileen
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In , "mairemulholland" <mairemulholland@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Can you tell me some of the things that are dated? I know the book has a controversial point of view on the fate of the princes but even that is handled so masterfully that you really almost understand Richard's point of view. My only complaint about the book is that it ends very abruptly without any consideration from the surviving characters. Maire.
> > > > > > > --- In , "EileenB" <cherryripe.eileenb@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Maire...Im glad you too are enjoying Patrick Carleton's 'Under the Hog"....I am always banging on about it on here....It is a little dated in parts as it was written in the 1930s but some of the descriptions/conversations just absolutely cannot be beat...Eileen
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In , "mairemulholland" <mairemulholland@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I'm going with Patrick Carleton's book. I reread one chapter last night which is a sort of "day in the life" of Richard. It follows him from waking to court procedures to deer hunting to a big gala in the evening. Just wonderful descriptions of medieval court life and intuitive insight into Richard's seriousness of purpose. Such a great book! Maire.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In , Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I still say it is the best novel about Richard so far, and beats Sharon Penman's Sunne in Splendour into a cocked hat, as we say her in Blighty!
> > > > > > > > > > Paul
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On 18 Dec 2012, at 23:00, mairemulholland wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > "Some Touch of Pity" is so much more evocative than "The Broken Sword." I first read it as a kid traveling to and from NYC by train on my first (hated) job. Thanks to Richard and Rhoda, I could forget myself for a while! Maire.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > --- In , "George Butterfield" wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Typically the titles are changed either because they are already in
> > > > > > > > > > > copyright ISBN code or have a totally different meaning in another country.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > George
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > From:
> > > > > > > > > > > [mailto:] On Behalf Of mairemulholland
> > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 2:26 PM
> > > > > > > > > > > To:
> > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Rhoda Edwards WAS Richard's Scribes
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Oh, yeah, it's a real tearjerker. I think "Some Touch of Pity" is the
> > > > > > > > > > > British title. For some reason it was changed when published in the USA. Go
> > > > > > > > > > > figure! Maire.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > --- In
> > > > > > > > > > > , Richard Yahoo wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > The Broken Sword and the Some Touch of Pity are the same books with
> > > > > > > > > > > different names. I wonder why?!
> > > > > > > > > > > Loved the Broken Sword but was too sad at the end:/
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Ishita Bandyo
> > > > > > > > > > > www.ishitabandyo.com
> > > > > > > > > > > www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
> > > > > > > > > > > www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 18, 2012, at 1:19 PM, "oregon_katy" wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > --- In
> > > > > > > > > > > , "mairemulholland" wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I'm pretty sure that the characters of Robert Bolman and Richard Bele -
> > > > > > > > > > > dramatised in Rhoda Edward's The Broken Sword were actual workers in
> > > > > > > > > > > Richard's office. Maire.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Katy:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > My thought was "Why don't we ask her?" so I tried to look her up -- many
> > > > > > > > > > > authors have web sites or Facebook pages.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Rhoda Edwards doesn't. I was able to find out very little about her. Maybe
> > > > > > > > > > > the back cover or introduction to one of her books has more.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Her published works are listed as
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Judy Thomson wrote:
>
> Another DON'T read is On the Trail of Richard III...unless you believe Francis Lovell is/was a demonic creature and Richard's ghost is capable of beating up women. Utter tripe. I don't even think Hicks or Weir would go this far.
>
> And if one other character had "smiled wickedly," the author deserved a prize for the most over-used phrase in any novel I've ever read...

Judy wrote:

I stopped at the point where Richard's ghost confesses to drowning George in the butt of malmsey. I kept waiting for it to get better, but it got worse. And the depiction of Richard III Society members as emotional, unreasoning women in love with a dead man is, shall we say, less than helpful to the Ricardian cause.

Carol, spending a Ricardian Christmas catching up on posts after the guests have gone home

Hi, Carol & Judy -

I think I never did buy the kindle version of *On the Trail of RIII*, having
been warned off by Judy and possibly others saying it was NG. But I did buy
*Thirteen at Dinner,* which is by the same author - it's L.M. Ollie, right?
Anyway, it wasn't very expensive. It's also a Ricardian tale, but I haven't
read it yet so can't say whether it's worth reading or not. I think the
"thirteen at dinner" refers to a group of Ricardians, however.



The other fiction that occur to me off-hand that features Ricardians are
Elizabeth Peters' *The Murders of Richard III* and Joan Szechtman's books,
*This Time* and *Loyalty Binds Me.* Ms. Szechtman, who was on this list when
I joined in September, has a particularly single-minded Ricardian CEO of a
company perfecting time travel, bringing Richard to the present at the
moment of his alleged demise at Bosworth. It's really quite a clever
conceit, and she makes the premise believable.



Loyaulte me lie,



Johanne



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Johanne L. Tournier



Email - jltournier60@...

or jltournier@...



"With God, all things are possible."

- Jesus of Nazareth

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From:
[mailto:] On Behalf Of justcarol67
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2012 4:18 PM
To:
Subject: Re: Rhoda Edwards WAS Richard's Scribes





Judy Thomson wrote:
>
> Another DON'T read is On the Trail of Richard III...unless you believe
Francis Lovell is/was a demonic creature and Richard's ghost is capable of
beating up women. Utter tripe. I don't even think Hicks or Weir would go
this far.
>
> And if one other character had "smiled wickedly," the author deserved a
prize for the most over-used phrase in any novel I've ever read...

Judy wrote:

I stopped at the point where Richard's ghost confesses to drowning George in
the butt of malmsey. I kept waiting for it to get better, but it got worse.
And the depiction of Richard III Society members as emotional, unreasoning
women in love with a dead man is, shall we say, less than helpful to the
Ricardian cause.

Carol, spending a Ricardian Christmas catching up on posts after the guests
have gone home

Umm, I am an unreasonable woman in love with a dead man;)
Kidding!

Ishita Bandyo
www.ishitabandyo.com
www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com

On Dec 25, 2012, at 3:18 PM, "justcarol67" <justcarol67@...> wrote:

> Judy Thomson wrote:
> >
> > Another DON'T read is On the Trail of Richard III...unless you believe Francis Lovell is/was a demonic creature and Richard's ghost is capable of beating up women. Utter tripe. I don't even think Hicks or Weir would go this far.
> >
> > And if one other character had "smiled wickedly," the author deserved a prize for the most over-used phrase in any novel I've ever read...
>
> Judy wrote:
>
> I stopped at the point where Richard's ghost confesses to drowning George in the butt of malmsey. I kept waiting for it to get better, but it got worse. And the depiction of Richard III Society members as emotional, unreasoning women in love with a dead man is, shall we say, less than helpful to the Ricardian cause.
>
> Carol, spending a Ricardian Christmas catching up on posts after the guests have gone home
>
>

Hi, Ishita 



You're not alone! <grin>



Loyaulte me lie,



Johanne



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Johanne L. Tournier



Email - jltournier60@...

or jltournier@...



"With God, all things are possible."

- Jesus of Nazareth

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of Richard Yahoo
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2012 6:04 PM
To:
Subject: Re: Re: Rhoda Edwards WAS Richard's Scribes





Umm, I am an unreasonable woman in love with a dead man;)
Kidding!

Ishita Bandyo
www.ishitabandyo.com
www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com

On Dec 25, 2012, at 3:18 PM, "justcarol67" <justcarol67@... <mailto:justcarol67%40yahoo.com> > wrote:

> Judy Thomson wrote:
> >
> > Another DON'T read is On the Trail of Richard III...unless you believe Francis Lovell is/was a demonic creature and Richard's ghost is capable of beating up women. Utter tripe. I don't even think Hicks or Weir would go this far.
> >
> > And if one other character had "smiled wickedly," the author deserved a prize for the most over-used phrase in any novel I've ever read...
>
> Judy wrote:
>
> I stopped at the point where Richard's ghost confesses to drowning George in the butt of malmsey. I kept waiting for it to get better, but it got worse. And the depiction of Richard III Society members as emotional, unreasoning women in love with a dead man is, shall we say, less than helpful to the Ricardian cause.
>
> Carol, spending a Ricardian Christmas catching up on posts after the guests have gone home
>
>

Lol!
Glad to hear that! My husband is thinking of clapping me in an insane asylum:)

Ishita Bandyo
www.ishitabandyo.com
www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com

On Dec 25, 2012, at 5:03 PM, Richard Yahoo <bandyoi@...> wrote:

> Umm, I am an unreasonable woman in love with a dead man;)
> Kidding!
>
> Ishita Bandyo
> www.ishitabandyo.com
> www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
> www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
>
> On Dec 25, 2012, at 3:18 PM, "justcarol67" <justcarol67@...> wrote:
>
> > Judy Thomson wrote:
> > >
> > > Another DON'T read is On the Trail of Richard III...unless you believe Francis Lovell is/was a demonic creature and Richard's ghost is capable of beating up women. Utter tripe. I don't even think Hicks or Weir would go this far.
> > >
> > > And if one other character had "smiled wickedly," the author deserved a prize for the most over-used phrase in any novel I've ever read...
> >
> > Judy wrote:
> >
> > I stopped at the point where Richard's ghost confesses to drowning George in the butt of malmsey. I kept waiting for it to get better, but it got worse. And the depiction of Richard III Society members as emotional, unreasoning women in love with a dead man is, shall we say, less than helpful to the Ricardian cause.
> >
> > Carol, spending a Ricardian Christmas catching up on posts after the guests have gone home
> >
> >
>
>
>
>

Joan's books are thoroughly good reads - intelligent and filled with bits of clever "Ricardian humour." I await her third book with both excitement and sadness (the sadness, because it's the last novel in the series...). 

My husband has read and completely enjoyed This Time and Loyalty Binds Me, so I'm liable to order us each our own copy when the third book comes out. Or one real book and the Kindle version, so we can both read it at more or less the same time. We did that with David McCullough's The Greater Journey, and it was great fun - kinda like a mini reading group - since we could talk about the book as we went along. I highly recommend sharing a book with a spouse or partner this way. Or just a good friend. If you read at differing speeds, you agree to "meet" at certain chapters by such-and-such a day.

Judy
 
Loyaulte me lie


________________________________
From: Johanne Tournier <jltournier60@...>
To:
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2012 3:01 PM
Subject: RE: Re: Rhoda Edwards WAS Richard's Scribes


 
Hi, Carol & Judy -

I think I never did buy the kindle version of *On the Trail of RIII*, having
been warned off by Judy and possibly others saying it was NG. But I did buy
*Thirteen at Dinner,* which is by the same author - it's L.M. Ollie, right?
Anyway, it wasn't very expensive. It's also a Ricardian tale, but I haven't
read it yet so can't say whether it's worth reading or not. I think the
"thirteen at dinner" refers to a group of Ricardians, however.

The other fiction that occur to me off-hand that features Ricardians are
Elizabeth Peters' *The Murders of Richard III* and Joan Szechtman's books,
*This Time* and *Loyalty Binds Me.* Ms. Szechtman, who was on this list when
I joined in September, has a particularly single-minded Ricardian CEO of a
company perfecting time travel, bringing Richard to the present at the
moment of his alleged demise at Bosworth. It's really quite a clever
conceit, and she makes the premise believable.

Loyaulte me lie,

Johanne

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Johanne L. Tournier

Email - jltournier60@...

or jltournier@...

"With God, all things are possible."

- Jesus of Nazareth

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

From:
[mailto:] On Behalf Of justcarol67
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2012 4:18 PM
To:
Subject: Re: Rhoda Edwards WAS Richard's Scribes

Judy Thomson wrote:
>
> Another DON'T read is On the Trail of Richard III...unless you believe
Francis Lovell is/was a demonic creature and Richard's ghost is capable of
beating up women. Utter tripe. I don't even think Hicks or Weir would go
this far.
>
> And if one other character had "smiled wickedly," the author deserved a
prize for the most over-used phrase in any novel I've ever read...

Judy wrote:

I stopped at the point where Richard's ghost confesses to drowning George in
the butt of malmsey. I kept waiting for it to get better, but it got worse.
And the depiction of Richard III Society members as emotional, unreasoning
women in love with a dead man is, shall we say, less than helpful to the
Ricardian cause.

Carol, spending a Ricardian Christmas catching up on posts after the guests
have gone home