For Richard it's "His Grace."
For Richard it's "His Grace."
2012-12-19 11:34:03
Not being a medievalist or professional historian, I am not sure when the term Majesty came into use for the monarch, but I know that Richard would have been addressed as "Your Grace." Like so much about the man, to me this suggests a more modest outlook - perhaps the respect due to the first among equals -fitting for a true leader of men.
Loyaulte me lie,
Johanne
Loyaulte me lie,
Johanne
Re: For Richard it's "His Grace."
2012-12-19 12:55:07
I love "Your Grace"; I was not looking forward to calling Richard "Your Majesty." Maire.
--- In , Johanne Tournier <jltournier60@...> wrote:
>
> Not being a medievalist or professional historian, I am not sure when the term Majesty came into use for the monarch, but I know that Richard would have been addressed as "Your Grace." Like so much about the man, to me this suggests a more modest outlook - perhaps the respect due to the first among equals -fitting for a true leader of men.
> Loyaulte me lie,
> Johanne
>
--- In , Johanne Tournier <jltournier60@...> wrote:
>
> Not being a medievalist or professional historian, I am not sure when the term Majesty came into use for the monarch, but I know that Richard would have been addressed as "Your Grace." Like so much about the man, to me this suggests a more modest outlook - perhaps the respect due to the first among equals -fitting for a true leader of men.
> Loyaulte me lie,
> Johanne
>
Re: For Richard it's "His Grace."
2012-12-19 14:37:09
Johanne Tournier wrote:
"Not being a medievalist or professional historian, I am not sure when the
term Majesty came into use for the monarch, but I know that Richard would
have been addressed as "Your Grace." Like so much about the man, to me this
suggests a more modest outlook - perhaps the respect due to the first among
equals -fitting for a true leader of men."
I could very well be mistaken, but I understood that "Your Majesty" came
into use under Henry VIII when Henry was made head of the church as well as
being head of state.
There is a political argument to be made about reinforcing the idea that the
monarch was above the rest of the nobility, thus strengthening the monarch
against the nobles at a time when Parliament hadn't nearly the power it was
to gain later and couldn't be used as a balance. to me, that skill at
"balancing" nobles and Parliament, as well as her own wishes, is what places
Elizabeth well above her father and siblings.
However, in Henry's case, I do think his ego had a LOT to do with it.
Doug
"Not being a medievalist or professional historian, I am not sure when the
term Majesty came into use for the monarch, but I know that Richard would
have been addressed as "Your Grace." Like so much about the man, to me this
suggests a more modest outlook - perhaps the respect due to the first among
equals -fitting for a true leader of men."
I could very well be mistaken, but I understood that "Your Majesty" came
into use under Henry VIII when Henry was made head of the church as well as
being head of state.
There is a political argument to be made about reinforcing the idea that the
monarch was above the rest of the nobility, thus strengthening the monarch
against the nobles at a time when Parliament hadn't nearly the power it was
to gain later and couldn't be used as a balance. to me, that skill at
"balancing" nobles and Parliament, as well as her own wishes, is what places
Elizabeth well above her father and siblings.
However, in Henry's case, I do think his ego had a LOT to do with it.
Doug
Re: For Richard it's "His Grace."
2012-12-19 15:25:33
Yes, it sounds like Henry, doesn't it? And if your bow isn't low enough - well, off with your head!
Btw today is my travel day, and they are calling for 15 cm snow at home! (White Christmas! That's the bright side!) Glad I've made a Res at the Airport Hotel, so fortunately I don't have to drive anywhere tonight!
TTFN (smile)
Loyaulte me lie,
Johanne
-----Original Message-----
From: Douglas Eugene Stamate
Sent: 19 Dec 2012 14:37:11 GMT
To:
Subject: Re: For Richard it's "His Grace."
Johanne Tournier wrote:
"Not being a medievalist or professional historian, I am not sure when the
term Majesty came into use for the monarch, but I know that Richard would
have been addressed as "Your Grace." Like so much about the man, to me this
suggests a more modest outlook - perhaps the respect due to the first among
equals -fitting for a true leader of men."
I could very well be mistaken, but I understood that "Your Majesty" came
into use under Henry VIII when Henry was made head of the church as well as
being head of state.
There is a political argument to be made about reinforcing the idea that the
monarch was above the rest of the nobility, thus strengthening the monarch
against the nobles at a time when Parliament hadn't nearly the power it was
to gain later and couldn't be used as a balance. to me, that skill at
"balancing" nobles and Parliament, as well as her own wishes, is what places
Elizabeth well above her father and siblings.
However, in Henry's case, I do think his ego had a LOT to do with it.
Doug
Btw today is my travel day, and they are calling for 15 cm snow at home! (White Christmas! That's the bright side!) Glad I've made a Res at the Airport Hotel, so fortunately I don't have to drive anywhere tonight!
TTFN (smile)
Loyaulte me lie,
Johanne
-----Original Message-----
From: Douglas Eugene Stamate
Sent: 19 Dec 2012 14:37:11 GMT
To:
Subject: Re: For Richard it's "His Grace."
Johanne Tournier wrote:
"Not being a medievalist or professional historian, I am not sure when the
term Majesty came into use for the monarch, but I know that Richard would
have been addressed as "Your Grace." Like so much about the man, to me this
suggests a more modest outlook - perhaps the respect due to the first among
equals -fitting for a true leader of men."
I could very well be mistaken, but I understood that "Your Majesty" came
into use under Henry VIII when Henry was made head of the church as well as
being head of state.
There is a political argument to be made about reinforcing the idea that the
monarch was above the rest of the nobility, thus strengthening the monarch
against the nobles at a time when Parliament hadn't nearly the power it was
to gain later and couldn't be used as a balance. to me, that skill at
"balancing" nobles and Parliament, as well as her own wishes, is what places
Elizabeth well above her father and siblings.
However, in Henry's case, I do think his ego had a LOT to do with it.
Doug
Re: For Richard it's "His Grace."
2012-12-19 15:49:45
Johanne
Have a safe journey. please explain what snow is?
George
Savannah GA!!!
From:
[mailto:] On Behalf Of Johanne
Tournier
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 10:21 AM
To:
Subject: Re: For Richard it's "His Grace."
Yes, it sounds like Henry, doesn't it? And if your bow isn't low enough -
well, off with your head!
Btw today is my travel day, and they are calling for 15 cm snow at home!
(White Christmas! That's the bright side!) Glad I've made a Res at the
Airport Hotel, so fortunately I don't have to drive anywhere tonight!
TTFN (smile)
Loyaulte me lie,
Johanne
-----Original Message-----
From: Douglas Eugene Stamate
Sent: 19 Dec 2012 14:37:11 GMT
To:
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: For Richard it's "His Grace."
Johanne Tournier wrote:
"Not being a medievalist or professional historian, I am not sure when the
term Majesty came into use for the monarch, but I know that Richard would
have been addressed as "Your Grace." Like so much about the man, to me this
suggests a more modest outlook - perhaps the respect due to the first among
equals -fitting for a true leader of men."
I could very well be mistaken, but I understood that "Your Majesty" came
into use under Henry VIII when Henry was made head of the church as well as
being head of state.
There is a political argument to be made about reinforcing the idea that the
monarch was above the rest of the nobility, thus strengthening the monarch
against the nobles at a time when Parliament hadn't nearly the power it was
to gain later and couldn't be used as a balance. to me, that skill at
"balancing" nobles and Parliament, as well as her own wishes, is what places
Elizabeth well above her father and siblings.
However, in Henry's case, I do think his ego had a LOT to do with it.
Doug
Have a safe journey. please explain what snow is?
George
Savannah GA!!!
From:
[mailto:] On Behalf Of Johanne
Tournier
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 10:21 AM
To:
Subject: Re: For Richard it's "His Grace."
Yes, it sounds like Henry, doesn't it? And if your bow isn't low enough -
well, off with your head!
Btw today is my travel day, and they are calling for 15 cm snow at home!
(White Christmas! That's the bright side!) Glad I've made a Res at the
Airport Hotel, so fortunately I don't have to drive anywhere tonight!
TTFN (smile)
Loyaulte me lie,
Johanne
-----Original Message-----
From: Douglas Eugene Stamate
Sent: 19 Dec 2012 14:37:11 GMT
To:
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: For Richard it's "His Grace."
Johanne Tournier wrote:
"Not being a medievalist or professional historian, I am not sure when the
term Majesty came into use for the monarch, but I know that Richard would
have been addressed as "Your Grace." Like so much about the man, to me this
suggests a more modest outlook - perhaps the respect due to the first among
equals -fitting for a true leader of men."
I could very well be mistaken, but I understood that "Your Majesty" came
into use under Henry VIII when Henry was made head of the church as well as
being head of state.
There is a political argument to be made about reinforcing the idea that the
monarch was above the rest of the nobility, thus strengthening the monarch
against the nobles at a time when Parliament hadn't nearly the power it was
to gain later and couldn't be used as a balance. to me, that skill at
"balancing" nobles and Parliament, as well as her own wishes, is what places
Elizabeth well above her father and siblings.
However, in Henry's case, I do think his ego had a LOT to do with it.
Doug
Re: For Richard it's "His Grace."
2012-12-19 16:49:06
I may be mistaken, but I believe "Majesty" came into vogue under the Tudors. Not sure which one, though....
"Grace" was used to denote the king was, in a sense, just "first among equals," as Magna Carta kinda/sorta established. Or so I was told in the Dark Ages when I studied history.
Judy
Loyaulte me lie
________________________________
From: Johanne Tournier <jltournier60@...>
To:
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 5:32 AM
Subject: For Richard it's "His Grace."
Not being a medievalist or professional historian, I am not sure when the term Majesty came into use for the monarch, but I know that Richard would have been addressed as "Your Grace." Like so much about the man, to me this suggests a more modest outlook - perhaps the respect due to the first among equals -fitting for a true leader of men.
Loyaulte me lie,
Johanne
"Grace" was used to denote the king was, in a sense, just "first among equals," as Magna Carta kinda/sorta established. Or so I was told in the Dark Ages when I studied history.
Judy
Loyaulte me lie
________________________________
From: Johanne Tournier <jltournier60@...>
To:
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 5:32 AM
Subject: For Richard it's "His Grace."
Not being a medievalist or professional historian, I am not sure when the term Majesty came into use for the monarch, but I know that Richard would have been addressed as "Your Grace." Like so much about the man, to me this suggests a more modest outlook - perhaps the respect due to the first among equals -fitting for a true leader of men.
Loyaulte me lie,
Johanne
Re: For Richard it's "His Grace."
2012-12-19 16:56:36
I thought it was Richard II who introduced the term 'Majesty' back in the 1380s.
Jacq
To:
From: judygerard.thomson@...
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 08:42:25 -0800
Subject: Re: For Richard it's "His Grace."
I may be mistaken, but I believe "Majesty" came into vogue under the Tudors. Not sure which one, though....
"Grace" was used to denote the king was, in a sense, just "first among equals," as Magna Carta kinda/sorta established. Or so I was told in the Dark Ages when I studied history.
Judy
Loyaulte me lie
________________________________
From: Johanne Tournier <jltournier60@...>
To:
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 5:32 AM
Subject: For Richard it's "His Grace."
Not being a medievalist or professional historian, I am not sure when the term Majesty came into use for the monarch, but I know that Richard would have been addressed as "Your Grace." Like so much about the man, to me this suggests a more modest outlook - perhaps the respect due to the first among equals -fitting for a true leader of men.
Loyaulte me lie,
Johanne
Jacq
To:
From: judygerard.thomson@...
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 08:42:25 -0800
Subject: Re: For Richard it's "His Grace."
I may be mistaken, but I believe "Majesty" came into vogue under the Tudors. Not sure which one, though....
"Grace" was used to denote the king was, in a sense, just "first among equals," as Magna Carta kinda/sorta established. Or so I was told in the Dark Ages when I studied history.
Judy
Loyaulte me lie
________________________________
From: Johanne Tournier <jltournier60@...>
To:
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 5:32 AM
Subject: For Richard it's "His Grace."
Not being a medievalist or professional historian, I am not sure when the term Majesty came into use for the monarch, but I know that Richard would have been addressed as "Your Grace." Like so much about the man, to me this suggests a more modest outlook - perhaps the respect due to the first among equals -fitting for a true leader of men.
Loyaulte me lie,
Johanne
Re: For Richard it's "His Grace."
2012-12-19 17:41:32
I seem to recall that Richard II did it concurrent with inserting himself into paintings featuring the Virgin Mary and the apostles. He commanded then that he be addressed as "Your Majesty" and "Your Highness".
--- In , Jacqueline Harvey <jacqharvey@...> wrote:
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>
> I thought it was Richard II who introduced the term 'Majesty' back in the 1380s.
--- In , Jacqueline Harvey <jacqharvey@...> wrote:
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>
> I thought it was Richard II who introduced the term 'Majesty' back in the 1380s.
Re: For Richard it's "His Grace."
2012-12-19 17:49:18
All of which ties in with the fact that a King was God's anointed and above
all others of an equal but different status as the Pope. Hence " The divine
right of Kings"
George
From:
[mailto:] On Behalf Of wednesday_mc
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 12:42 PM
To:
Subject: Re: For Richard it's "His Grace."
I seem to recall that Richard II did it concurrent with inserting himself
into paintings featuring the Virgin Mary and the apostles. He commanded then
that he be addressed as "Your Majesty" and "Your Highness".
--- In
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> , Jacqueline Harvey
<jacqharvey@...> wrote:
>
>
> I thought it was Richard II who introduced the term 'Majesty' back in the
1380s.
all others of an equal but different status as the Pope. Hence " The divine
right of Kings"
George
From:
[mailto:] On Behalf Of wednesday_mc
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 12:42 PM
To:
Subject: Re: For Richard it's "His Grace."
I seem to recall that Richard II did it concurrent with inserting himself
into paintings featuring the Virgin Mary and the apostles. He commanded then
that he be addressed as "Your Majesty" and "Your Highness".
--- In
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> , Jacqueline Harvey
<jacqharvey@...> wrote:
>
>
> I thought it was Richard II who introduced the term 'Majesty' back in the
1380s.
Re: For Richard it's "His Grace."
2012-12-19 19:35:10
Correct it came into "vogue" during HR VIII's tenure and pusher for the change to majesty is attributed to Wolsey
Cate
--- In , Judy Thomson <judygerard.thomson@...> wrote:
>
> I may be mistaken, but I believe "Majesty" came into vogue under the Tudors. Not sure which one, though....
>
> "Grace" was used to denote the king was, in a sense, just "first among equals," as Magna Carta kinda/sorta established. Or so I was told in the Dark Ages when I studied history.
>
> Judy
> Â
> Loyaulte me lie
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Johanne Tournier <jltournier60@...>
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 5:32 AM
> Subject: For Richard it's "His Grace."
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> Not being a medievalist or professional historian, I am not sure when the term Majesty came into use for the monarch, but I know that Richard would have been addressed as "Your Grace." Like so much about the man, to me this suggests a more modest outlook - perhaps the respect due to the first among equals -fitting for a true leader of men.
> Loyaulte me lie,
> Johanne
>
>
>
>
Cate
--- In , Judy Thomson <judygerard.thomson@...> wrote:
>
> I may be mistaken, but I believe "Majesty" came into vogue under the Tudors. Not sure which one, though....
>
> "Grace" was used to denote the king was, in a sense, just "first among equals," as Magna Carta kinda/sorta established. Or so I was told in the Dark Ages when I studied history.
>
> Judy
> Â
> Loyaulte me lie
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Johanne Tournier <jltournier60@...>
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 5:32 AM
> Subject: For Richard it's "His Grace."
>
>
> Â
> Not being a medievalist or professional historian, I am not sure when the term Majesty came into use for the monarch, but I know that Richard would have been addressed as "Your Grace." Like so much about the man, to me this suggests a more modest outlook - perhaps the respect due to the first among equals -fitting for a true leader of men.
> Loyaulte me lie,
> Johanne
>
>
>
>
Re: For Richard it's "His Grace."
2012-12-19 20:50:36
--- In , Judy Thomson <judygerard.thomson@...> wrote:
>
> I may be mistaken, but I believe "Majesty" came into vogue under the Tudors. Not sure which one, though....
Which reminds me that Elizabeth I, not her subjects, who dubbed herself "Gloriana." And also that only one official court portraitist was permitted to produce any and all likelesses of her, punishable (no doubt severely) by law. So we don't know if she was actually the ageless knock-out beauty of her portraits or if she really looked more like the Wicked Witch of the West.
Katy
>
> I may be mistaken, but I believe "Majesty" came into vogue under the Tudors. Not sure which one, though....
Which reminds me that Elizabeth I, not her subjects, who dubbed herself "Gloriana." And also that only one official court portraitist was permitted to produce any and all likelesses of her, punishable (no doubt severely) by law. So we don't know if she was actually the ageless knock-out beauty of her portraits or if she really looked more like the Wicked Witch of the West.
Katy
Re: For Richard it's "His Grace."
2012-12-19 20:57:18
I must admit I have stood before the portrait of Elizabeth at the National Gallery for 20 minutes at a time. It's not that she's so beautiful - it's that she's so brainy and imperious in the portrait. Maire.
--- In , "oregon_katy" <oregon_katy@...> wrote:
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>
>
> --- In , Judy Thomson <judygerard.thomson@> wrote:
> >
> > I may be mistaken, but I believe "Majesty" came into vogue under the Tudors. Not sure which one, though....
>
>
> Which reminds me that Elizabeth I, not her subjects, who dubbed herself "Gloriana." And also that only one official court portraitist was permitted to produce any and all likelesses of her, punishable (no doubt severely) by law. So we don't know if she was actually the ageless knock-out beauty of her portraits or if she really looked more like the Wicked Witch of the West.
>
> Katy
>
--- In , "oregon_katy" <oregon_katy@...> wrote:
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>
>
> --- In , Judy Thomson <judygerard.thomson@> wrote:
> >
> > I may be mistaken, but I believe "Majesty" came into vogue under the Tudors. Not sure which one, though....
>
>
> Which reminds me that Elizabeth I, not her subjects, who dubbed herself "Gloriana." And also that only one official court portraitist was permitted to produce any and all likelesses of her, punishable (no doubt severely) by law. So we don't know if she was actually the ageless knock-out beauty of her portraits or if she really looked more like the Wicked Witch of the West.
>
> Katy
>
Re: For Richard it's "His Grace."
2012-12-20 10:54:06
Richard II did indeed insist of Your Majesty, but once he was deposed for wanting the kind of autocratic kingship the nobility did not, the king was again addressed as Your Grace. The Majesty title was not used again until Henry the Tyrant insisted. Since then it has been your majesty for all monarchs.
Paul
On 19 Dec 2012, at 17:49, George Butterfield wrote:
> All of which ties in with the fact that a King was God's anointed and above
> all others of an equal but different status as the Pope. Hence " The divine
> right of Kings"
>
> George
>
> From:
> [mailto:] On Behalf Of wednesday_mc
> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 12:42 PM
> To:
> Subject: Re: For Richard it's "His Grace."
>
>
>
>
>
> I seem to recall that Richard II did it concurrent with inserting himself
> into paintings featuring the Virgin Mary and the apostles. He commanded then
> that he be addressed as "Your Majesty" and "Your Highness".
>
> --- In
> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> , Jacqueline Harvey
> <jacqharvey@...> wrote:
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>>
>> I thought it was Richard II who introduced the term 'Majesty' back in the
> 1380s.
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Richard Liveth Yet!
Paul
On 19 Dec 2012, at 17:49, George Butterfield wrote:
> All of which ties in with the fact that a King was God's anointed and above
> all others of an equal but different status as the Pope. Hence " The divine
> right of Kings"
>
> George
>
> From:
> [mailto:] On Behalf Of wednesday_mc
> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 12:42 PM
> To:
> Subject: Re: For Richard it's "His Grace."
>
>
>
>
>
> I seem to recall that Richard II did it concurrent with inserting himself
> into paintings featuring the Virgin Mary and the apostles. He commanded then
> that he be addressed as "Your Majesty" and "Your Highness".
>
> --- In
> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> , Jacqueline Harvey
> <jacqharvey@...> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I thought it was Richard II who introduced the term 'Majesty' back in the
> 1380s.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
Richard Liveth Yet!
Re: For Richard it's "His Grace."
2012-12-20 13:24:05
If I remember rightly Paul, didn't Audrey Williamson say, in the "Mystery of the Princes", that Henry the Tyrant's need to establish his Tudor/Lancastrian dynasty by right of conquest sowed the seeds of the destruction of the Stuarts. The Tyrant had such an inflated opinion of himself no doubt massaged frequently by his dear mother.
--- In , Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@...> wrote:
>
> Richard II did indeed insist of Your Majesty, but once he was deposed for wanting the kind of autocratic kingship the nobility did not, the king was again addressed as Your Grace. The Majesty title was not used again until Henry the Tyrant insisted. Since then it has been your majesty for all monarchs.
> Paul
>
>
> On 19 Dec 2012, at 17:49, George Butterfield wrote:
>
> > All of which ties in with the fact that a King was God's anointed and above
> > all others of an equal but different status as the Pope. Hence " The divine
> > right of Kings"
> >
> > George
> >
> > From:
> > [mailto:] On Behalf Of wednesday_mc
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 12:42 PM
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: For Richard it's "His Grace."
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I seem to recall that Richard II did it concurrent with inserting himself
> > into paintings featuring the Virgin Mary and the apostles. He commanded then
> > that he be addressed as "Your Majesty" and "Your Highness".
> >
> > --- In
> > <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> , Jacqueline Harvey
> > <jacqharvey@> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> I thought it was Richard II who introduced the term 'Majesty' back in the
> > 1380s.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
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> >
>
> Richard Liveth Yet!
>
--- In , Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@...> wrote:
>
> Richard II did indeed insist of Your Majesty, but once he was deposed for wanting the kind of autocratic kingship the nobility did not, the king was again addressed as Your Grace. The Majesty title was not used again until Henry the Tyrant insisted. Since then it has been your majesty for all monarchs.
> Paul
>
>
> On 19 Dec 2012, at 17:49, George Butterfield wrote:
>
> > All of which ties in with the fact that a King was God's anointed and above
> > all others of an equal but different status as the Pope. Hence " The divine
> > right of Kings"
> >
> > George
> >
> > From:
> > [mailto:] On Behalf Of wednesday_mc
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 12:42 PM
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: For Richard it's "His Grace."
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I seem to recall that Richard II did it concurrent with inserting himself
> > into paintings featuring the Virgin Mary and the apostles. He commanded then
> > that he be addressed as "Your Majesty" and "Your Highness".
> >
> > --- In
> > <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> , Jacqueline Harvey
> > <jacqharvey@> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> I thought it was Richard II who introduced the term 'Majesty' back in the
> > 1380s.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
> Richard Liveth Yet!
>
Re: For Richard it's "His Grace."
2012-12-20 13:38:05
Thanks for setting the record straight, Paul. I am pleased that you have confirmed that our king was addressed as "Your Grace. He probably would have (gently) corrected anyone who inadvertently addressed him as "Your Majesty." (smile)
Loyaulte me lie,
Johanne
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Trevor Bale
Sent: 20 Dec 2012 10:54:09 GMT
To:
Subject: Re: For Richard it's "His Grace."
Richard II did indeed insist of Your Majesty, but once he was deposed for wanting the kind of autocratic kingship the nobility did not, the king was again addressed as Your Grace. The Majesty title was not used again until Henry the Tyrant insisted. Since then it has been your majesty for all monarchs.
Paul
On 19 Dec 2012, at 17:49, George Butterfield wrote:
> All of which ties in with the fact that a King was God's anointed and above
> all others of an equal but different status as the Pope. Hence " The divine
> right of Kings"
>
> George
>
> From:
> [mailto:] On Behalf Of wednesday_mc
> Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 12:42 PM
> To:
> Subject: Re: For Richard it's "His Grace."
>
>
>
>
>
> I seem to recall that Richard II did it concurrent with inserting himself
> into paintings featuring the Virgin Mary and the apostles. He commanded then
> that he be addressed as "Your Majesty" and "Your Highness".
>
> --- In
> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> , Jacqueline Harvey
> <jacqharvey@...> wrote:
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From: Paul Trevor Bale
Sent: 20 Dec 2012 10:54:09 GMT
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Subject: Re: For Richard it's "His Grace."
Richard II did indeed insist of Your Majesty, but once he was deposed for wanting the kind of autocratic kingship the nobility did not, the king was again addressed as Your Grace. The Majesty title was not used again until Henry the Tyrant insisted. Since then it has been your majesty for all monarchs.
Paul
On 19 Dec 2012, at 17:49, George Butterfield wrote:
> All of which ties in with the fact that a King was God's anointed and above
> all others of an equal but different status as the Pope. Hence " The divine
> right of Kings"
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