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> Johanne, Here it is. Briefer than I recall but still there!
> Paul



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>> From: Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@...>
>> Date: 24 December 2012 09:35:31 GMT
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>> Henry I it was. Sent Stephen rushing for the coast and the crown thus starting the first English Civil War!
>> Paul
>>
>> On 24 Dec 2012, at 03:09, George Butterfield wrote:
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>>> Food provisioning will do this didn't King John die from a surfeit of lampfryies?
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Richard Liveth Yet!

I found it, I found it! It's in Jeremy Potter's book, *A Trail of Blood*:

"Father Paul showed them to him one by one, allowing him to turn the pages of William the Norman's survey of England and unroll for himself a copy of Magna Carts from which hung the Great Seal of King John, who had died at the castle at Newark - poisoned, so Father Paul assured him, by lampreys brought too far from the king's native Gascony. Father Paul had a grudge against King John, who should have been buried at Lincoln, where they lacked the body of a king, even a bad one. Instead John had elected to be buried far away at Worcester because it had two saints and he needed one in either side to assist him into Paradise."

LOL!

Loyaulte me lie,

Johanne

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> Johanne, Here it is. Briefer than I recall but still there!
> Paul



> Begin forwarded message:
>
>> From: Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@...>
>> Date: 24 December 2012 09:35:31 GMT
>> To:
>> Subject: Re: ARTICLE: Richard III's Raucous Christmas Parties (sic)
>>
>> Henry I it was. Sent Stephen rushing for the coast and the crown thus starting the first English Civil War!
>> Paul
>>
>> On 24 Dec 2012, at 03:09, George Butterfield wrote:
>>
>>> Food provisioning will do this didn't King John die from a surfeit of lampfryies?
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Richard Liveth Yet!

Jeremy in error there. No source for lampreys and the death of John, but definite in passing of Henry 1.
I also wonder why he thinks John should have been buried in Lincoln. Stephen yes, he lost a great battle there, though he wasn't killed.
Paul


On 30 Dec 2012, at 01:49, Johanne Tournier wrote:

> I found it, I found it! It's in Jeremy Potter's book, *A Trail of Blood*:
>
> "Father Paul showed them to him one by one, allowing him to turn the pages of William the Norman's survey of England and unroll for himself a copy of Magna Carts from which hung the Great Seal of King John, who had died at the castle at Newark - poisoned, so Father Paul assured him, by lampreys brought too far from the king's native Gascony. Father Paul had a grudge against King John, who should have been buried at Lincoln, where they lacked the body of a king, even a bad one. Instead John had elected to be buried far away at Worcester because it had two saints and he needed one in either side to assist him into Paradise."
>
> LOL!
>
> Loyaulte me lie,
>
> Johanne
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>> Johanne, Here it is. Briefer than I recall but still there!
>> Paul
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>>> Date: 24 December 2012 09:35:31 GMT
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>>> Henry I it was. Sent Stephen rushing for the coast and the crown thus starting the first English Civil War!
>>> Paul
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>>> On 24 Dec 2012, at 03:09, George Butterfield wrote:
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>>>> Food provisioning will do this didn't King John die from a surfeit of lampfryies?
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
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Hi, Paul -



Of course *A Trail of Blood* is fiction. On the other hand, I thought, given
the author, that it was probably fairly reliable for things like the cause
of King John's demise. Well, at least it proves that I wasn't imagining
having read it somewhere when the subject came up here not long afterwards.
I wonder if George has read Jeremy's book?



The reason for the mention of Lincoln is that Father Paul is supposed to be
the librarian at Lincoln, and he is showing Brother Thomas, the protagonist,
some treasures of his library and adding some editorial comments of his own.



Loyaulte me lie,



Johanne



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Johanne L. Tournier



Email - jltournier60@...

or jltournier@...



"With God, all things are possible."

- Jesus of Nazareth

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From:
[mailto:] On Behalf Of Paul Trevor
Bale
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 6:38 AM
To:
Subject: Re: ARTICLE: Richard III's Raucous
Christmas Parties (sic)





Jeremy in error there. No source for lampreys and the death of John, but
definite in passing of Henry 1.
I also wonder why he thinks John should have been buried in Lincoln. Stephen
yes, he lost a great battle there, though he wasn't killed.
Paul

Hi, Johanne! A little off topic but I just received a slew of Richard books and am loving Annette Carson's book. What a great read! Fascinating new details (at least to me.)

Tried reading "The Killing of Richard the Third" by Farrington but seemed too silly. Now have "Treason" which I hope is better.

Also, I began to enjoy "Dickon." If you can ignore John Fogge and get on with the book, it's pretty good. One problem is that most of these authors do not know how to imagine Richard's childhood. So he always comes across as a staid little do-gooder. I have a feeling he was much more rounded than that.

And, finally, watched "Tower of London." I enjoyed it! Rathbone was terrific! Funny, how the details were all correct but the interpretation was all wrong. Loved Richard's little dollhouse. Hilarious. Maire.

--- In , Johanne Tournier <jltournier60@...> wrote:
>
> Hi, Paul -
>
>
>
> Of course *A Trail of Blood* is fiction. On the other hand, I thought, given
> the author, that it was probably fairly reliable for things like the cause
> of King John's demise. Well, at least it proves that I wasn't imagining
> having read it somewhere when the subject came up here not long afterwards.
> I wonder if George has read Jeremy's book?
>
>
>
> The reason for the mention of Lincoln is that Father Paul is supposed to be
> the librarian at Lincoln, and he is showing Brother Thomas, the protagonist,
> some treasures of his library and adding some editorial comments of his own.
>
>
>
> Loyaulte me lie,
>
>
>
> Johanne
>
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Johanne L. Tournier
>
>
>
> Email - jltournier60@...
>
> or jltournier@...
>
>
>
> "With God, all things are possible."
>
> - Jesus of Nazareth
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
>
> From:
> [mailto:] On Behalf Of Paul Trevor
> Bale
> Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 6:38 AM
> To:
> Subject: Re: ARTICLE: Richard III's Raucous
> Christmas Parties (sic)
>
>
>
>
>
> Jeremy in error there. No source for lampreys and the death of John, but
> definite in passing of Henry 1.
> I also wonder why he thinks John should have been buried in Lincoln. Stephen
> yes, he lost a great battle there, though he wasn't killed.
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Hi, Maire!



You know, you can never have too many books about RIII. Even the crummy ones
. . . at least one can give people the high sign here. (I'm trying to
rationalize having *Thirteen at Dinner* by L.M. Ollie on my kindle, though I
haven't read it yet.)



You are so right about the problems people have portraying Richard
believably. I have mentioned before that most I can recall seem to ignore
the possibility of Richard having any spinal defect or even being relatively
short. I think it's an important part of his psychology if he always felt
like he had to "try harder," (like the old slogan of the #2 car rental
company in the US, Avis). In most books, Richard is obviously the primary
object of interest, yet he does not seem like a fully rounded person.



I have just gotten to 1462 in *The Sunne in Splendour* and am finding that
it's a winning depiction of plausible details of the family of the Duke of
York, yet Richard has hardly appeared! We follow the events of the Battle of
Wakefield and afterward, Richard and George get swooped off to Burgundy, and
we don't read a thing about their stay there. We have Edward's triumphal
entry into the city of York after Towton, with his shocking discovery of his
father's and brother's heads still stuck above the Mickelgate, and lots
about the Nevilles and the Earl of Somerset, but virtually nothing about
Richard, until a scene in Edward's bedchamber to which Somerset, as an
attainted traitor is brought, momentarily expecting his execution.



I will be interested to see if Penman includes a description of Richard
having any physical defects.



Regarding *Tower of London* - see what I mean about Olivier's Richard
apparently being influenced by Rathbone's? Olivier didn't admit it overtly,
instead talking about Jed Harris and the Big Bad Wolf, but I think
Rathbone's "look" as Richard, with his prominent schnozzola, has to have
been a major influence on Olivier.



TTFN <smile>



Loyaulte me lie,



Johanne

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Johanne L. Tournier



Email - jltournier60@...

or jltournier@...



"With God, all things are possible."

- Jesus of Nazareth

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



From:
[mailto:] On Behalf Of mairemulholland
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 8:42 AM
To:
Subject: Re: ARTICLE: Richard III's Raucous
Christmas Parties (sic)





Hi, Johanne! A little off topic but I just received a slew of Richard books
and am loving Annette Carson's book. What a great read! Fascinating new
details (at least to me.)

Tried reading "The Killing of Richard the Third" by Farrington but seemed
too silly. Now have "Treason" which I hope is better.

Also, I began to enjoy "Dickon." If you can ignore John Fogge and get on
with the book, it's pretty good. One problem is that most of these authors
do not know how to imagine Richard's childhood. So he always comes across as
a staid little do-gooder. I have a feeling he was much more rounded than
that.

And, finally, watched "Tower of London." I enjoyed it! Rathbone was
terrific! Funny, how the details were all correct but the interpretation was
all wrong. Loved Richard's little dollhouse. Hilarious. Maire.

Hi, Johanne.

Yes, you are right: I'm sure Olivier studied Rathbone's appearance for his movie. Fortunately, Rathbone didn't have to build up his nose the way LO had to! I also thought Rathbone's "hump" was quite perfect. Just a slight disfigurement. Actually, with his blondish wig, he looked quite attractive. And he did make me laugh.

I am dying to find out Richard's height. I have always hoped he was short - it makes him much more appealing to me because he becomes the runt of the litter who makes good.

I love Richard's depiction in the "Sun in Splendor." She wisely avoids his childhood because I think it's just too hard to imagine without any historical notes. But he's a real, full-blooded character. Maire.


--- In , Johanne Tournier <jltournier60@...> wrote:
>
> Hi, Maire!
>
>
>
> You know, you can never have too many books about RIII. Even the crummy ones
> . . . at least one can give people the high sign here. (I'm trying to
> rationalize having *Thirteen at Dinner* by L.M. Ollie on my kindle, though I
> haven't read it yet.)
>
>
>
> You are so right about the problems people have portraying Richard
> believably. I have mentioned before that most I can recall seem to ignore
> the possibility of Richard having any spinal defect or even being relatively
> short. I think it's an important part of his psychology if he always felt
> like he had to "try harder," (like the old slogan of the #2 car rental
> company in the US, Avis). In most books, Richard is obviously the primary
> object of interest, yet he does not seem like a fully rounded person.
>
>
>
> I have just gotten to 1462 in *The Sunne in Splendour* and am finding that
> it's a winning depiction of plausible details of the family of the Duke of
> York, yet Richard has hardly appeared! We follow the events of the Battle of
> Wakefield and afterward, Richard and George get swooped off to Burgundy, and
> we don't read a thing about their stay there. We have Edward's triumphal
> entry into the city of York after Towton, with his shocking discovery of his
> father's and brother's heads still stuck above the Mickelgate, and lots
> about the Nevilles and the Earl of Somerset, but virtually nothing about
> Richard, until a scene in Edward's bedchamber to which Somerset, as an
> attainted traitor is brought, momentarily expecting his execution.
>
>
>
> I will be interested to see if Penman includes a description of Richard
> having any physical defects.
>
>
>
> Regarding *Tower of London* - see what I mean about Olivier's Richard
> apparently being influenced by Rathbone's? Olivier didn't admit it overtly,
> instead talking about Jed Harris and the Big Bad Wolf, but I think
> Rathbone's "look" as Richard, with his prominent schnozzola, has to have
> been a major influence on Olivier.
>
>
>
> TTFN <smile>
>
>
>
> Loyaulte me lie,
>
>
>
> Johanne
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Johanne L. Tournier
>
>
>
> Email - jltournier60@...
>
> or jltournier@...
>
>
>
> "With God, all things are possible."
>
> - Jesus of Nazareth
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
>
> From:
> [mailto:] On Behalf Of mairemulholland
> Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 8:42 AM
> To:
> Subject: Re: ARTICLE: Richard III's Raucous
> Christmas Parties (sic)
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi, Johanne! A little off topic but I just received a slew of Richard books
> and am loving Annette Carson's book. What a great read! Fascinating new
> details (at least to me.)
>
> Tried reading "The Killing of Richard the Third" by Farrington but seemed
> too silly. Now have "Treason" which I hope is better.
>
> Also, I began to enjoy "Dickon." If you can ignore John Fogge and get on
> with the book, it's pretty good. One problem is that most of these authors
> do not know how to imagine Richard's childhood. So he always comes across as
> a staid little do-gooder. I have a feeling he was much more rounded than
> that.
>
> And, finally, watched "Tower of London." I enjoyed it! Rathbone was
> terrific! Funny, how the details were all correct but the interpretation was
> all wrong. Loved Richard's little dollhouse. Hilarious. Maire.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Johanne, Richard comes on his own around '64 and takes off around '69 in Sunne. I think the book is about the York family as well as Richard. Of course R is the main character. I think this is one book where you get to see Richard as a person who gets irritated at Anne and they shout at each other like any couple! Or being afraid before a battle....
Penman does not describe R's appearance other than his being " slight" and a discrepancy in his shoulder. We fill in the details as we like! Lol.
It is most well rounded book I have read about R so far.

Ishita Bandyo
www.ishitabandyo.com
www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com

On Dec 30, 2012, at 8:02 AM, Johanne Tournier <jltournier60@...> wrote:

> Hi, Maire!
>
> You know, you can never have too many books about RIII. Even the crummy ones
> . . . at least one can give people the high sign here. (I'm trying to
> rationalize having *Thirteen at Dinner* by L.M. Ollie on my kindle, though I
> haven't read it yet.)
>
> You are so right about the problems people have portraying Richard
> believably. I have mentioned before that most I can recall seem to ignore
> the possibility of Richard having any spinal defect or even being relatively
> short. I think it's an important part of his psychology if he always felt
> like he had to "try harder," (like the old slogan of the #2 car rental
> company in the US, Avis). In most books, Richard is obviously the primary
> object of interest, yet he does not seem like a fully rounded person.
>
> I have just gotten to 1462 in *The Sunne in Splendour* and am finding that
> it's a winning depiction of plausible details of the family of the Duke of
> York, yet Richard has hardly appeared! We follow the events of the Battle of
> Wakefield and afterward, Richard and George get swooped off to Burgundy, and
> we don't read a thing about their stay there. We have Edward's triumphal
> entry into the city of York after Towton, with his shocking discovery of his
> father's and brother's heads still stuck above the Mickelgate, and lots
> about the Nevilles and the Earl of Somerset, but virtually nothing about
> Richard, until a scene in Edward's bedchamber to which Somerset, as an
> attainted traitor is brought, momentarily expecting his execution.
>
> I will be interested to see if Penman includes a description of Richard
> having any physical defects.
>
> Regarding *Tower of London* - see what I mean about Olivier's Richard
> apparently being influenced by Rathbone's? Olivier didn't admit it overtly,
> instead talking about Jed Harris and the Big Bad Wolf, but I think
> Rathbone's "look" as Richard, with his prominent schnozzola, has to have
> been a major influence on Olivier.
>
> TTFN <smile>
>
> Loyaulte me lie,
>
> Johanne
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Johanne L. Tournier
>
> Email - jltournier60@...
>
> or jltournier@...
>
> "With God, all things are possible."
>
> - Jesus of Nazareth
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> From:
> [mailto:] On Behalf Of mairemulholland
> Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 8:42 AM
> To:
> Subject: Re: ARTICLE: Richard III's Raucous
> Christmas Parties (sic)
>
> Hi, Johanne! A little off topic but I just received a slew of Richard books
> and am loving Annette Carson's book. What a great read! Fascinating new
> details (at least to me.)
>
> Tried reading "The Killing of Richard the Third" by Farrington but seemed
> too silly. Now have "Treason" which I hope is better.
>
> Also, I began to enjoy "Dickon." If you can ignore John Fogge and get on
> with the book, it's pretty good. One problem is that most of these authors
> do not know how to imagine Richard's childhood. So he always comes across as
> a staid little do-gooder. I have a feeling he was much more rounded than
> that.
>
> And, finally, watched "Tower of London." I enjoyed it! Rathbone was
> terrific! Funny, how the details were all correct but the interpretation was
> all wrong. Loved Richard's little dollhouse. Hilarious. Maire.
>
>
>
>

Marie, I agree with you.

Ishita Bandyo
www.ishitabandyo.com
www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com

On Dec 30, 2012, at 9:32 AM, "mairemulholland" <mairemulholland@...> wrote:

>
> Hi, Johanne.
>
> Yes, you are right: I'm sure Olivier studied Rathbone's appearance for his movie. Fortunately, Rathbone didn't have to build up his nose the way LO had to! I also thought Rathbone's "hump" was quite perfect. Just a slight disfigurement. Actually, with his blondish wig, he looked quite attractive. And he did make me laugh.
>
> I am dying to find out Richard's height. I have always hoped he was short - it makes him much more appealing to me because he becomes the runt of the litter who makes good.
>
> I love Richard's depiction in the "Sun in Splendor." She wisely avoids his childhood because I think it's just too hard to imagine without any historical notes. But he's a real, full-blooded character. Maire.
>
> --- In , Johanne Tournier <jltournier60@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi, Maire!
> >
> >
> >
> > You know, you can never have too many books about RIII. Even the crummy ones
> > . . . at least one can give people the high sign here. (I'm trying to
> > rationalize having *Thirteen at Dinner* by L.M. Ollie on my kindle, though I
> > haven't read it yet.)
> >
> >
> >
> > You are so right about the problems people have portraying Richard
> > believably. I have mentioned before that most I can recall seem to ignore
> > the possibility of Richard having any spinal defect or even being relatively
> > short. I think it's an important part of his psychology if he always felt
> > like he had to "try harder," (like the old slogan of the #2 car rental
> > company in the US, Avis). In most books, Richard is obviously the primary
> > object of interest, yet he does not seem like a fully rounded person.
> >
> >
> >
> > I have just gotten to 1462 in *The Sunne in Splendour* and am finding that
> > it's a winning depiction of plausible details of the family of the Duke of
> > York, yet Richard has hardly appeared! We follow the events of the Battle of
> > Wakefield and afterward, Richard and George get swooped off to Burgundy, and
> > we don't read a thing about their stay there. We have Edward's triumphal
> > entry into the city of York after Towton, with his shocking discovery of his
> > father's and brother's heads still stuck above the Mickelgate, and lots
> > about the Nevilles and the Earl of Somerset, but virtually nothing about
> > Richard, until a scene in Edward's bedchamber to which Somerset, as an
> > attainted traitor is brought, momentarily expecting his execution.
> >
> >
> >
> > I will be interested to see if Penman includes a description of Richard
> > having any physical defects.
> >
> >
> >
> > Regarding *Tower of London* - see what I mean about Olivier's Richard
> > apparently being influenced by Rathbone's? Olivier didn't admit it overtly,
> > instead talking about Jed Harris and the Big Bad Wolf, but I think
> > Rathbone's "look" as Richard, with his prominent schnozzola, has to have
> > been a major influence on Olivier.
> >
> >
> >
> > TTFN <smile>
> >
> >
> >
> > Loyaulte me lie,
> >
> >
> >
> > Johanne
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> > Johanne L. Tournier
> >
> >
> >
> > Email - jltournier60@...
> >
> > or jltournier@...
> >
> >
> >
> > "With God, all things are possible."
> >
> > - Jesus of Nazareth
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> >
> >
> > From:
> > [mailto:] On Behalf Of mairemulholland
> > Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 8:42 AM
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: ARTICLE: Richard III's Raucous
> > Christmas Parties (sic)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi, Johanne! A little off topic but I just received a slew of Richard books
> > and am loving Annette Carson's book. What a great read! Fascinating new
> > details (at least to me.)
> >
> > Tried reading "The Killing of Richard the Third" by Farrington but seemed
> > too silly. Now have "Treason" which I hope is better.
> >
> > Also, I began to enjoy "Dickon." If you can ignore John Fogge and get on
> > with the book, it's pretty good. One problem is that most of these authors
> > do not know how to imagine Richard's childhood. So he always comes across as
> > a staid little do-gooder. I have a feeling he was much more rounded than
> > that.
> >
> > And, finally, watched "Tower of London." I enjoyed it! Rathbone was
> > terrific! Funny, how the details were all correct but the interpretation was
> > all wrong. Loved Richard's little dollhouse. Hilarious. Maire.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

Hi, Ishita!



I'm enjoying the book so far but missing the fact that Richard is not more of a central character. But I'm sure you're right, that there is relatively little that's certain about Richard's childhood, other than some bare facts. Penman's style is excellent, however, she is able to evoke the period quite vividly without being hidebound about writing forsoothly, to use Josephine Tey's expression. <smile>



Of course since You can never have too much Richard III, it's kind of nice to anticipate 1200 pages about him and his family  even if we don't see much of him for the first 200 pages or so. (It's hard for me to tell exactly how many, since the pages aren't listed on the kindle. I can give you the location numbers, but I don't think people who don't have kindles would find that very useful.)



I figured I'd better read *The Sunne in Splendour,* since I'm going on a tour with Ms. Penman in September!



Loyaulte me lie,



Johanne

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Johanne L. Tournier



Email - jltournier60@...

or jltournier@...



"With God, all things are possible."

- Jesus of Nazareth

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of Richard Yahoo
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 12:57 PM
To:
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Johanne, Richard comes on his own around '64 and takes off around '69 in Sunne. I think the book is about the York family as well as Richard. Of course R is the main character. I think this is one book where you get to see Richard as a person who gets irritated at Anne and they shout at each other like any couple! Or being afraid before a battle....
Penman does not describe R's appearance other than his being " slight" and a discrepancy in his shoulder. We fill in the details as we like! Lol.
It is most well rounded book I have read about R so far.

Ishita Bandyo
www.ishitabandyo.com
www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com

I really loved this book. Richard is such a vibrant character. I don't want to give anything away but the final scene with his mother is beautifully portrayed. Actually, almost everything is beautifully portrayed! Maire.

--- In , Richard Yahoo <bandyoi@...> wrote:
>
> Johanne, Richard comes on his own around '64 and takes off around '69 in Sunne. I think the book is about the York family as well as Richard. Of course R is the main character. I think this is one book where you get to see Richard as a person who gets irritated at Anne and they shout at each other like any couple! Or being afraid before a battle....
> Penman does not describe R's appearance other than his being " slight" and a discrepancy in his shoulder. We fill in the details as we like! Lol.
> It is most well rounded book I have read about R so far.
>
> Ishita Bandyo
> www.ishitabandyo.com
> www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
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>
> On Dec 30, 2012, at 8:02 AM, Johanne Tournier <jltournier60@...> wrote:
>
> > Hi, Maire!
> >
> > You know, you can never have too many books about RIII. Even the crummy ones
> > . . . at least one can give people the high sign here. (I'm trying to
> > rationalize having *Thirteen at Dinner* by L.M. Ollie on my kindle, though I
> > haven't read it yet.)
> >
> > You are so right about the problems people have portraying Richard
> > believably. I have mentioned before that most I can recall seem to ignore
> > the possibility of Richard having any spinal defect or even being relatively
> > short. I think it's an important part of his psychology if he always felt
> > like he had to "try harder," (like the old slogan of the #2 car rental
> > company in the US, Avis). In most books, Richard is obviously the primary
> > object of interest, yet he does not seem like a fully rounded person.
> >
> > I have just gotten to 1462 in *The Sunne in Splendour* and am finding that
> > it's a winning depiction of plausible details of the family of the Duke of
> > York, yet Richard has hardly appeared! We follow the events of the Battle of
> > Wakefield and afterward, Richard and George get swooped off to Burgundy, and
> > we don't read a thing about their stay there. We have Edward's triumphal
> > entry into the city of York after Towton, with his shocking discovery of his
> > father's and brother's heads still stuck above the Mickelgate, and lots
> > about the Nevilles and the Earl of Somerset, but virtually nothing about
> > Richard, until a scene in Edward's bedchamber to which Somerset, as an
> > attainted traitor is brought, momentarily expecting his execution.
> >
> > I will be interested to see if Penman includes a description of Richard
> > having any physical defects.
> >
> > Regarding *Tower of London* - see what I mean about Olivier's Richard
> > apparently being influenced by Rathbone's? Olivier didn't admit it overtly,
> > instead talking about Jed Harris and the Big Bad Wolf, but I think
> > Rathbone's "look" as Richard, with his prominent schnozzola, has to have
> > been a major influence on Olivier.
> >
> > TTFN <smile>
> >
> > Loyaulte me lie,
> >
> > Johanne
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> > Johanne L. Tournier
> >
> > Email - jltournier60@...
> >
> > or jltournier@...
> >
> > "With God, all things are possible."
> >
> > - Jesus of Nazareth
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> > From:
> > [mailto:] On Behalf Of mairemulholland
> > Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 8:42 AM
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: ARTICLE: Richard III's Raucous
> > Christmas Parties (sic)
> >
> > Hi, Johanne! A little off topic but I just received a slew of Richard books
> > and am loving Annette Carson's book. What a great read! Fascinating new
> > details (at least to me.)
> >
> > Tried reading "The Killing of Richard the Third" by Farrington but seemed
> > too silly. Now have "Treason" which I hope is better.
> >
> > Also, I began to enjoy "Dickon." If you can ignore John Fogge and get on
> > with the book, it's pretty good. One problem is that most of these authors
> > do not know how to imagine Richard's childhood. So he always comes across as
> > a staid little do-gooder. I have a feeling he was much more rounded than
> > that.
> >
> > And, finally, watched "Tower of London." I enjoyed it! Rathbone was
> > terrific! Funny, how the details were all correct but the interpretation was
> > all wrong. Loved Richard's little dollhouse. Hilarious. Maire.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>

Marie, yes. You can see the man with his rashness and tenderness. The scene with Stanley when he was 17 also shows you how cocky he was!! Not above being rude and heavy handed! Makes his character so much more well rounded. Than say Dickon;). Don't hurt me please!!! I will give it another chance, promise!

This was my first Richard book and got me into him. And one of my most fav fiction!!!

Ishita Bandyo
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On Dec 30, 2012, at 1:00 PM, "mairemulholland" <mairemulholland@...> wrote:

> I really loved this book. Richard is such a vibrant character. I don't want to give anything away but the final scene with his mother is beautifully portrayed. Actually, almost everything is beautifully portrayed! Maire.
>
> --- In , Richard Yahoo <bandyoi@...> wrote:
> >
> > Johanne, Richard comes on his own around '64 and takes off around '69 in Sunne. I think the book is about the York family as well as Richard. Of course R is the main character. I think this is one book where you get to see Richard as a person who gets irritated at Anne and they shout at each other like any couple! Or being afraid before a battle....
> > Penman does not describe R's appearance other than his being " slight" and a discrepancy in his shoulder. We fill in the details as we like! Lol.
> > It is most well rounded book I have read about R so far.
> >
> > Ishita Bandyo
> > www.ishitabandyo.com
> > www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
> > www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
> >
> > On Dec 30, 2012, at 8:02 AM, Johanne Tournier <jltournier60@...> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi, Maire!
> > >
> > > You know, you can never have too many books about RIII. Even the crummy ones
> > > . . . at least one can give people the high sign here. (I'm trying to
> > > rationalize having *Thirteen at Dinner* by L.M. Ollie on my kindle, though I
> > > haven't read it yet.)
> > >
> > > You are so right about the problems people have portraying Richard
> > > believably. I have mentioned before that most I can recall seem to ignore
> > > the possibility of Richard having any spinal defect or even being relatively
> > > short. I think it's an important part of his psychology if he always felt
> > > like he had to "try harder," (like the old slogan of the #2 car rental
> > > company in the US, Avis). In most books, Richard is obviously the primary
> > > object of interest, yet he does not seem like a fully rounded person.
> > >
> > > I have just gotten to 1462 in *The Sunne in Splendour* and am finding that
> > > it's a winning depiction of plausible details of the family of the Duke of
> > > York, yet Richard has hardly appeared! We follow the events of the Battle of
> > > Wakefield and afterward, Richard and George get swooped off to Burgundy, and
> > > we don't read a thing about their stay there. We have Edward's triumphal
> > > entry into the city of York after Towton, with his shocking discovery of his
> > > father's and brother's heads still stuck above the Mickelgate, and lots
> > > about the Nevilles and the Earl of Somerset, but virtually nothing about
> > > Richard, until a scene in Edward's bedchamber to which Somerset, as an
> > > attainted traitor is brought, momentarily expecting his execution.
> > >
> > > I will be interested to see if Penman includes a description of Richard
> > > having any physical defects.
> > >
> > > Regarding *Tower of London* - see what I mean about Olivier's Richard
> > > apparently being influenced by Rathbone's? Olivier didn't admit it overtly,
> > > instead talking about Jed Harris and the Big Bad Wolf, but I think
> > > Rathbone's "look" as Richard, with his prominent schnozzola, has to have
> > > been a major influence on Olivier.
> > >
> > > TTFN <smile>
> > >
> > > Loyaulte me lie,
> > >
> > > Johanne
> > >
> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > >
> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > >
> > > Johanne L. Tournier
> > >
> > > Email - jltournier60@...
> > >
> > > or jltournier@...
> > >
> > > "With God, all things are possible."
> > >
> > > - Jesus of Nazareth
> > >
> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > >
> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > >
> > > From:
> > > [mailto:] On Behalf Of mairemulholland
> > > Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 8:42 AM
> > > To:
> > > Subject: Re: ARTICLE: Richard III's Raucous
> > > Christmas Parties (sic)
> > >
> > > Hi, Johanne! A little off topic but I just received a slew of Richard books
> > > and am loving Annette Carson's book. What a great read! Fascinating new
> > > details (at least to me.)
> > >
> > > Tried reading "The Killing of Richard the Third" by Farrington but seemed
> > > too silly. Now have "Treason" which I hope is better.
> > >
> > > Also, I began to enjoy "Dickon." If you can ignore John Fogge and get on
> > > with the book, it's pretty good. One problem is that most of these authors
> > > do not know how to imagine Richard's childhood. So he always comes across as
> > > a staid little do-gooder. I have a feeling he was much more rounded than
> > > that.
> > >
> > > And, finally, watched "Tower of London." I enjoyed it! Rathbone was
> > > terrific! Funny, how the details were all correct but the interpretation was
> > > all wrong. Loved Richard's little dollhouse. Hilarious. Maire.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>