Richard IIIs resting place
Richard IIIs resting place
2013-01-10 15:31:26
Richard's bones have apparently been kept in a safe when not undergoing examination. I spoke to someone in Leicester cathedral recently; they fully expect to receive the remains of Richard III, but are not happy about the burial of these under the existing flagstone commemorating Richard. I suggested that the bones be put in a glass container in the cathedral, like his brother George, in the crypt of Tewkesbury Abbey.
Re: [Richard III Society Forum] Richard III’s resting place
2013-01-10 16:16:31
Hi.
Certainly not. Richard must be given a proper burial and not put out for all to see.
please have some respect for him.
Loyaulte me Lie
Christine
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From: vermeertwo <hi.dung@...>
To:
Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 15:31
Subject: Richard III's resting place
Richard's bones have apparently been kept in a safe when not undergoing examination. I spoke to someone in Leicester cathedral recently; they fully expect to receive the remains of Richard III, but are not happy about the burial of these under the existing flagstone commemorating Richard. I suggested that the bones be put in a glass container in the cathedral, like his brother George, in the crypt of Tewkesbury Abbey.
Certainly not. Richard must be given a proper burial and not put out for all to see.
please have some respect for him.
Loyaulte me Lie
Christine
________________________________
From: vermeertwo <hi.dung@...>
To:
Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 15:31
Subject: Richard III's resting place
Richard's bones have apparently been kept in a safe when not undergoing examination. I spoke to someone in Leicester cathedral recently; they fully expect to receive the remains of Richard III, but are not happy about the burial of these under the existing flagstone commemorating Richard. I suggested that the bones be put in a glass container in the cathedral, like his brother George, in the crypt of Tewkesbury Abbey.
Re: [Richard III Society Forum] Richard IIIâs resting place
2013-01-10 16:41:30
I agree, Christine: it would be wholly disrespectful for the bones of an anointed and crowned King of England to be publicly displayed wherever he is laid to rest.
I am aware "Leicester Cathedral fully expect" and I think it is wholly wrong that they do so. I also gather that there was some element of agreement before the dig began that whatever bones were found would be re-interred in the Cathedral.
That's kind of fair enough if they weren't really expecting to find a crowned and anointed King of England but if it is Richard, it can no longer be simply decided on that previous agreement: it is a national matter and not a matter of "finders keepers" or "place of death". I hope the Ministry of Justice who are apparently announcing next week the location of the bones' re-interment are not simply following the line of greatest convenience rather than considering the most fitting and appropriate resting-place for a King of England. Personally I feel the "tourism" angle is pretty much the main one being touted for Leicester, although I know there is much feeling that the bones should lie close to where they were found. I hold for York Minster still.
Col
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> Hi.
> Certainly not. Richard must be given a proper burial and not put out for all to see.
> please have some respect for him.
> Loyaulte me Lie
> Christine
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> Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 15:31
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> Richard's bones have apparently been kept in a safe when not undergoing examination. I spoke to someone in Leicester cathedral recently; they fully expect to receive the remains of Richard III, but are not happy about the burial of these under the existing flagstone commemorating Richard. I suggested that the bones be put in a glass container in the cathedral, like his brother George, in the crypt of Tewkesbury Abbey.
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I am aware "Leicester Cathedral fully expect" and I think it is wholly wrong that they do so. I also gather that there was some element of agreement before the dig began that whatever bones were found would be re-interred in the Cathedral.
That's kind of fair enough if they weren't really expecting to find a crowned and anointed King of England but if it is Richard, it can no longer be simply decided on that previous agreement: it is a national matter and not a matter of "finders keepers" or "place of death". I hope the Ministry of Justice who are apparently announcing next week the location of the bones' re-interment are not simply following the line of greatest convenience rather than considering the most fitting and appropriate resting-place for a King of England. Personally I feel the "tourism" angle is pretty much the main one being touted for Leicester, although I know there is much feeling that the bones should lie close to where they were found. I hold for York Minster still.
Col
--- In , C HOLMES wrote:
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> Hi.
> Certainly not. Richard must be given a proper burial and not put out for all to see.
> please have some respect for him.
> Loyaulte me Lie
> Christine
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> Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 15:31
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> Richard's bones have apparently been kept in a safe when not undergoing examination. I spoke to someone in Leicester cathedral recently; they fully expect to receive the remains of Richard III, but are not happy about the burial of these under the existing flagstone commemorating Richard. I suggested that the bones be put in a glass container in the cathedral, like his brother George, in the crypt of Tewkesbury Abbey.
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Re: [Richard III Society Forum] Richard IIIâs resting place
2013-01-10 17:29:04
Oh,no. I would never want to see poor Richard's bones. Maybe I'll look at a couple of photos if they are published - but not on display. Maire.
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> I agree, Christine: it would be wholly disrespectful for the bones of an anointed and crowned King of England to be publicly displayed wherever he is laid to rest.
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> I am aware "Leicester Cathedral fully expect" and I think it is wholly wrong that they do so. I also gather that there was some element of agreement before the dig began that whatever bones were found would be re-interred in the Cathedral.
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> That's kind of fair enough if they weren't really expecting to find a crowned and anointed King of England but if it is Richard, it can no longer be simply decided on that previous agreement: it is a national matter and not a matter of "finders keepers" or "place of death". I hope the Ministry of Justice who are apparently announcing next week the location of the bones' re-interment are not simply following the line of greatest convenience rather than considering the most fitting and appropriate resting-place for a King of England. Personally I feel the "tourism" angle is pretty much the main one being touted for Leicester, although I know there is much feeling that the bones should lie close to where they were found. I hold for York Minster still.
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> Col
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> --- In , C HOLMES wrote:
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> > Hi.
> > Certainly not. Richard must be given a proper burial and not put out for all to see.
> > please have some respect for him.
> > Loyaulte me Lie
> > Christine
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> > Richard's bones have apparently been kept in a safe when not undergoing examination. I spoke to someone in Leicester cathedral recently; they fully expect to receive the remains of Richard III, but are not happy about the burial of these under the existing flagstone commemorating Richard. I suggested that the bones be put in a glass container in the cathedral, like his brother George, in the crypt of Tewkesbury Abbey.
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> I agree, Christine: it would be wholly disrespectful for the bones of an anointed and crowned King of England to be publicly displayed wherever he is laid to rest.
>
> I am aware "Leicester Cathedral fully expect" and I think it is wholly wrong that they do so. I also gather that there was some element of agreement before the dig began that whatever bones were found would be re-interred in the Cathedral.
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> That's kind of fair enough if they weren't really expecting to find a crowned and anointed King of England but if it is Richard, it can no longer be simply decided on that previous agreement: it is a national matter and not a matter of "finders keepers" or "place of death". I hope the Ministry of Justice who are apparently announcing next week the location of the bones' re-interment are not simply following the line of greatest convenience rather than considering the most fitting and appropriate resting-place for a King of England. Personally I feel the "tourism" angle is pretty much the main one being touted for Leicester, although I know there is much feeling that the bones should lie close to where they were found. I hold for York Minster still.
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> Col
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> --- In , C HOLMES wrote:
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> > Hi.
> > Certainly not. Richard must be given a proper burial and not put out for all to see.
> > please have some respect for him.
> > Loyaulte me Lie
> > Christine
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> > Subject: Richard III’s resting place
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> > Richard's bones have apparently been kept in a safe when not undergoing examination. I spoke to someone in Leicester cathedral recently; they fully expect to receive the remains of Richard III, but are not happy about the burial of these under the existing flagstone commemorating Richard. I suggested that the bones be put in a glass container in the cathedral, like his brother George, in the crypt of Tewkesbury Abbey.
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Re: [Richard III Society Forum] Richard III’s resting place
2013-01-10 18:35:53
Totally agree. This sounds awful. I thought he would have a proper tomb and I will contribute if necessary!
Liz
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From: C HOLMES <christineholmes651@...>
To: "" <>
Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 16:16
Subject: Re: Richard III's resting place
Hi.
Certainly not. Richard must be given a proper burial and not put out for all to see.
please have some respect for him.
Loyaulte me Lie
Christine
________________________________
From: vermeertwo mailto:hi.dung%40yahoo.com>
To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 15:31
Subject: Richard III's resting place
Richard's bones have apparently been kept in a safe when not undergoing examination. I spoke to someone in Leicester cathedral recently; they fully expect to receive the remains of Richard III, but are not happy about the burial of these under the existing flagstone commemorating Richard. I suggested that the bones be put in a glass container in the cathedral, like his brother George, in the crypt of Tewkesbury Abbey.
Liz
________________________________
From: C HOLMES <christineholmes651@...>
To: "" <>
Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 16:16
Subject: Re: Richard III's resting place
Hi.
Certainly not. Richard must be given a proper burial and not put out for all to see.
please have some respect for him.
Loyaulte me Lie
Christine
________________________________
From: vermeertwo mailto:hi.dung%40yahoo.com>
To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 15:31
Subject: Richard III's resting place
Richard's bones have apparently been kept in a safe when not undergoing examination. I spoke to someone in Leicester cathedral recently; they fully expect to receive the remains of Richard III, but are not happy about the burial of these under the existing flagstone commemorating Richard. I suggested that the bones be put in a glass container in the cathedral, like his brother George, in the crypt of Tewkesbury Abbey.
Re: [Richard III Society Forum] Richard III’s resting place
2013-01-10 18:42:36
Well I have no problem with Leicester per se. It seems to me they've been very pro Richard and that's a good reason. Plus the most important one - he won't be shoved in a corner with other famous people. As for what is a fitting resting place for a King of England, a place that is accessible for those who wish to visit, has an appropriate tomb and actually seems to care sounds pretty fitting to me.
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From: colyngbourne <[email protected]>
To:
Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 16:41
Subject: Re: Richard IIIâ¬"s resting place
I agree, Christine: it would be wholly disrespectful for the bones of an anointed and crowned King of England to be publicly displayed wherever he is laid to rest.
I am aware "Leicester Cathedral fully expect" and I think it is wholly wrong that they do so. I also gather that there was some element of agreement before the dig began that whatever bones were found would be re-interred in the Cathedral.
That's kind of fair enough if they weren't really expecting to find a crowned and anointed King of England but if it is Richard, it can no longer be simply decided on that previous agreement: it is a national matter and not a matter of "finders keepers" or "place of death". I hope the Ministry of Justice who are apparently announcing next week the location of the bones' re-interment are not simply following the line of greatest convenience rather than considering the most fitting and appropriate resting-place for a King of England. Personally I feel the "tourism" angle is pretty much the main one being touted for Leicester, although I know there is much feeling that the bones should lie close to where they were found. I hold for York Minster still.
Col
--- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, C HOLMES wrote:
>
> Hi.
> Certainly not. Richard must be given a proper burial and not put out for all to see.
> please have some respect for him.
> Loyaulte me Lie
> Christine
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: vermeertwo
> To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 15:31
> Subject: Richard IIIâ¬"s resting place
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> Richard's bones have apparently been kept in a safe when not undergoing examination. I spoke to someone in Leicester cathedral recently; they fully expect to receive the remains of Richard III, but are not happy about the burial of these under the existing flagstone commemorating Richard. I suggested that the bones be put in a glass container in the cathedral, like his brother George, in the crypt of Tewkesbury Abbey.
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From: colyngbourne <[email protected]>
To:
Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 16:41
Subject: Re: Richard IIIâ¬"s resting place
I agree, Christine: it would be wholly disrespectful for the bones of an anointed and crowned King of England to be publicly displayed wherever he is laid to rest.
I am aware "Leicester Cathedral fully expect" and I think it is wholly wrong that they do so. I also gather that there was some element of agreement before the dig began that whatever bones were found would be re-interred in the Cathedral.
That's kind of fair enough if they weren't really expecting to find a crowned and anointed King of England but if it is Richard, it can no longer be simply decided on that previous agreement: it is a national matter and not a matter of "finders keepers" or "place of death". I hope the Ministry of Justice who are apparently announcing next week the location of the bones' re-interment are not simply following the line of greatest convenience rather than considering the most fitting and appropriate resting-place for a King of England. Personally I feel the "tourism" angle is pretty much the main one being touted for Leicester, although I know there is much feeling that the bones should lie close to where they were found. I hold for York Minster still.
Col
--- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, C HOLMES wrote:
>
> Hi.
> Certainly not. Richard must be given a proper burial and not put out for all to see.
> please have some respect for him.
> Loyaulte me Lie
> Christine
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: vermeertwo
> To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 15:31
> Subject: Richard IIIâ¬"s resting place
>
>
> Â
>
>
>
> Richard's bones have apparently been kept in a safe when not undergoing examination. I spoke to someone in Leicester cathedral recently; they fully expect to receive the remains of Richard III, but are not happy about the burial of these under the existing flagstone commemorating Richard. I suggested that the bones be put in a glass container in the cathedral, like his brother George, in the crypt of Tewkesbury Abbey.
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Re: [Richard III Society Forum] Richard III’s resting place
2013-01-10 18:42:58
I'll contact Philippa. As broke as I am, I personally pledge L100, if necessary. Who among you will match me? This is a once-in-a-lifetime event....
Judy
Loyaulte me lie
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From: liz williams <ferrymansdaughter@...>
To: "" <>
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 12:35 PM
Subject: Re: Richard III's resting place
Totally agree. This sounds awful. I thought he would have a proper tomb and I will contribute if necessary!
Liz
________________________________
From: C HOLMES christineholmes651@...>
To: "" >
Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 16:16
Subject: Re: Richard III's resting place
Hi.
Certainly not. Richard must be given a proper burial and not put out for all to see.
please have some respect for him.
Loyaulte me Lie
Christine
________________________________
From: vermeertwo mailto:hi.dung%40yahoo.com>
To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 15:31
Subject: Richard III's resting place
Richard's bones have apparently been kept in a safe when not undergoing examination. I spoke to someone in Leicester cathedral recently; they fully expect to receive the remains of Richard III, but are not happy about the burial of these under the existing flagstone commemorating Richard. I suggested that the bones be put in a glass container in the cathedral, like his brother George, in the crypt of Tewkesbury Abbey.
Judy
Loyaulte me lie
________________________________
From: liz williams <ferrymansdaughter@...>
To: "" <>
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 12:35 PM
Subject: Re: Richard III's resting place
Totally agree. This sounds awful. I thought he would have a proper tomb and I will contribute if necessary!
Liz
________________________________
From: C HOLMES christineholmes651@...>
To: "" >
Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 16:16
Subject: Re: Richard III's resting place
Hi.
Certainly not. Richard must be given a proper burial and not put out for all to see.
please have some respect for him.
Loyaulte me Lie
Christine
________________________________
From: vermeertwo mailto:hi.dung%40yahoo.com>
To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 15:31
Subject: Richard III's resting place
Richard's bones have apparently been kept in a safe when not undergoing examination. I spoke to someone in Leicester cathedral recently; they fully expect to receive the remains of Richard III, but are not happy about the burial of these under the existing flagstone commemorating Richard. I suggested that the bones be put in a glass container in the cathedral, like his brother George, in the crypt of Tewkesbury Abbey.
Re: [Richard III Society Forum] Richard III’s resting place
2013-01-10 18:46:54
Yes I'd pledge £100 too if necessary.
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From: Judy Thomson <judygerard.thomson@...>
To: "" <>
Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 18:42
Subject: Re: Richard III's resting place
I'll contact Philippa. As broke as I am, I personally pledge L100, if necessary. Who among you will match me? This is a once-in-a-lifetime event....
Judy
Loyaulte me lie
________________________________
From: liz williams mailto:ferrymansdaughter%40btinternet.com>
To: "mailto:%40yahoogroups.com" mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 12:35 PM
Subject: Re: Richard III's resting place
Totally agree. This sounds awful. I thought he would have a proper tomb and I will contribute if necessary!
Liz
________________________________
From: C HOLMES mailto:christineholmes651%40btinternet.com>
To: "mailto:%40yahoogroups.commailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 16:16
Subject: Re: Richard III's resting place
Hi.
Certainly not. Richard must be given a proper burial and not put out for all to see.
please have some respect for him.
Loyaulte me Lie
Christine
________________________________
From: vermeertwo mailto:hi.dung%40yahoo.com>
To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 15:31
Subject: Richard III's resting place
Richard's bones have apparently been kept in a safe when not undergoing examination. I spoke to someone in Leicester cathedral recently; they fully expect to receive the remains of Richard III, but are not happy about the burial of these under the existing flagstone commemorating Richard. I suggested that the bones be put in a glass container in the cathedral, like his brother George, in the crypt of Tewkesbury Abbey.
________________________________
From: Judy Thomson <judygerard.thomson@...>
To: "" <>
Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 18:42
Subject: Re: Richard III's resting place
I'll contact Philippa. As broke as I am, I personally pledge L100, if necessary. Who among you will match me? This is a once-in-a-lifetime event....
Judy
Loyaulte me lie
________________________________
From: liz williams mailto:ferrymansdaughter%40btinternet.com>
To: "mailto:%40yahoogroups.com" mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 12:35 PM
Subject: Re: Richard III's resting place
Totally agree. This sounds awful. I thought he would have a proper tomb and I will contribute if necessary!
Liz
________________________________
From: C HOLMES mailto:christineholmes651%40btinternet.com>
To: "mailto:%40yahoogroups.commailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 16:16
Subject: Re: Richard III's resting place
Hi.
Certainly not. Richard must be given a proper burial and not put out for all to see.
please have some respect for him.
Loyaulte me Lie
Christine
________________________________
From: vermeertwo mailto:hi.dung%40yahoo.com>
To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 15:31
Subject: Richard III's resting place
Richard's bones have apparently been kept in a safe when not undergoing examination. I spoke to someone in Leicester cathedral recently; they fully expect to receive the remains of Richard III, but are not happy about the burial of these under the existing flagstone commemorating Richard. I suggested that the bones be put in a glass container in the cathedral, like his brother George, in the crypt of Tewkesbury Abbey.
Re: [Richard III Society Forum] Richard III’s resting place
2013-01-10 18:49:18
I will too.
I don't understand about the "slab of Richard I"..... They have one for him too?
________________________________
From: liz williams <ferrymansdaughter@...>
To: "" <>
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 1:35 PM
Subject: Re: Richard III's resting place
Totally agree. This sounds awful. I thought he would have a proper tomb and I will contribute if necessary!
Liz
________________________________
From: C HOLMES christineholmes651@...>
To: "" >
Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 16:16
Subject: Re: Richard III's resting place
Hi.
Certainly not. Richard must be given a proper burial and not put out for all to see.
please have some respect for him.
Loyaulte me Lie
Christine
________________________________
From: vermeertwo mailto:hi.dung%40yahoo.com>
To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 15:31
Subject: Richard III's resting place
Richard's bones have apparently been kept in a safe when not undergoing examination. I spoke to someone in Leicester cathedral recently; they fully expect to receive the remains of Richard III, but are not happy about the burial of these under the existing flagstone commemorating Richard. I suggested that the bones be put in a glass container in the cathedral, like his brother George, in the crypt of Tewkesbury Abbey.
I don't understand about the "slab of Richard I"..... They have one for him too?
________________________________
From: liz williams <ferrymansdaughter@...>
To: "" <>
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 1:35 PM
Subject: Re: Richard III's resting place
Totally agree. This sounds awful. I thought he would have a proper tomb and I will contribute if necessary!
Liz
________________________________
From: C HOLMES christineholmes651@...>
To: "" >
Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 16:16
Subject: Re: Richard III's resting place
Hi.
Certainly not. Richard must be given a proper burial and not put out for all to see.
please have some respect for him.
Loyaulte me Lie
Christine
________________________________
From: vermeertwo mailto:hi.dung%40yahoo.com>
To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 15:31
Subject: Richard III's resting place
Richard's bones have apparently been kept in a safe when not undergoing examination. I spoke to someone in Leicester cathedral recently; they fully expect to receive the remains of Richard III, but are not happy about the burial of these under the existing flagstone commemorating Richard. I suggested that the bones be put in a glass container in the cathedral, like his brother George, in the crypt of Tewkesbury Abbey.
Re: [Richard III Society Forum] Richard IIIâs resting place
2013-01-10 18:49:36
Me too......Eileen
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> Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 16:16
> Subject: Re: Richard III’s resting place
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> Hi.
> Certainly not. Richard must be given a proper burial and not put out for all to see.
> please have some respect for him.
> Loyaulte me Lie
> Christine
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: vermeertwo mailto:hi.dung%40yahoo.com>
> To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 15:31
> Subject: Richard III’s resting place
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> Richard's bones have apparently been kept in a safe when not undergoing examination. I spoke to someone in Leicester cathedral recently; they fully expect to receive the remains of Richard III, but are not happy about the burial of these under the existing flagstone commemorating Richard. I suggested that the bones be put in a glass container in the cathedral, like his brother George, in the crypt of Tewkesbury Abbey.
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--- In , liz williams wrote:
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> Totally agree. This sounds awful. I thought he would have a proper tomb and I will contribute if necessary!
> Â
> Liz
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: C HOLMES
> To: ""
> Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 16:16
> Subject: Re: Richard III’s resting place
>
> Â
> Hi.
> Certainly not. Richard must be given a proper burial and not put out for all to see.
> please have some respect for him.
> Loyaulte me Lie
> Christine
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: vermeertwo mailto:hi.dung%40yahoo.com>
> To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 15:31
> Subject: Richard III’s resting place
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> Richard's bones have apparently been kept in a safe when not undergoing examination. I spoke to someone in Leicester cathedral recently; they fully expect to receive the remains of Richard III, but are not happy about the burial of these under the existing flagstone commemorating Richard. I suggested that the bones be put in a glass container in the cathedral, like his brother George, in the crypt of Tewkesbury Abbey.
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Re: [Richard III Society Forum] Richard III’s resting place
2013-01-10 18:50:13
Judy, I will match you with $100.
________________________________
From: Judy Thomson <judygerard.thomson@...>
To: "" <>
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 1:42 PM
Subject: Re: Richard III's resting place
I'll contact Philippa. As broke as I am, I personally pledge L100, if necessary. Who among you will match me? This is a once-in-a-lifetime event....
Judy
Loyaulte me lie
________________________________
From: liz williams ferrymansdaughter@...>
To: "" >
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 12:35 PM
Subject: Re: Richard III's resting place
Totally agree. This sounds awful. I thought he would have a proper tomb and I will contribute if necessary!
Liz
________________________________
From: C HOLMES christineholmes651@...>
To: ">
Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 16:16
Subject: Re: Richard III's resting place
Hi.
Certainly not. Richard must be given a proper burial and not put out for all to see.
please have some respect for him.
Loyaulte me Lie
Christine
________________________________
From: vermeertwo mailto:hi.dung%40yahoo.com>
To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 15:31
Subject: Richard III's resting place
Richard's bones have apparently been kept in a safe when not undergoing examination. I spoke to someone in Leicester cathedral recently; they fully expect to receive the remains of Richard III, but are not happy about the burial of these under the existing flagstone commemorating Richard. I suggested that the bones be put in a glass container in the cathedral, like his brother George, in the crypt of Tewkesbury Abbey.
________________________________
From: Judy Thomson <judygerard.thomson@...>
To: "" <>
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 1:42 PM
Subject: Re: Richard III's resting place
I'll contact Philippa. As broke as I am, I personally pledge L100, if necessary. Who among you will match me? This is a once-in-a-lifetime event....
Judy
Loyaulte me lie
________________________________
From: liz williams ferrymansdaughter@...>
To: "" >
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 12:35 PM
Subject: Re: Richard III's resting place
Totally agree. This sounds awful. I thought he would have a proper tomb and I will contribute if necessary!
Liz
________________________________
From: C HOLMES christineholmes651@...>
To: ">
Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 16:16
Subject: Re: Richard III's resting place
Hi.
Certainly not. Richard must be given a proper burial and not put out for all to see.
please have some respect for him.
Loyaulte me Lie
Christine
________________________________
From: vermeertwo mailto:hi.dung%40yahoo.com>
To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 15:31
Subject: Richard III's resting place
Richard's bones have apparently been kept in a safe when not undergoing examination. I spoke to someone in Leicester cathedral recently; they fully expect to receive the remains of Richard III, but are not happy about the burial of these under the existing flagstone commemorating Richard. I suggested that the bones be put in a glass container in the cathedral, like his brother George, in the crypt of Tewkesbury Abbey.
Re: [Richard III Society Forum] Richard IIIâs resting place
2013-01-10 18:51:27
If it comes down to needing individual pledges to guarantee a
suitable tomb, I would find the means to contribute. Anything for
Richard III.
Linda
--- In , liz williams wrote:
>
> Yes I'd pledge £100 too if necessary.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Judy Thomson
> To: ""
> Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 18:42
> Subject: Re: Richard III’s resting
place
>
>
> I'll contact Philippa. As broke as I am, I personally pledge L100, if
necessary. Who among you will match me? This is a once-in-a-lifetime
event....
>
> Judy
>
> Loyaulte me lie
>
> ________________________________
> From: liz williams mailto:ferrymansdaughter%40btinternet.com>
> To: "mailto:%40yahoogroups.com"
mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 12:35 PM
> Subject: Re: Richard III’s resting
place
> Totally agree. This sounds awful. I thought he would have a proper
tomb and I will contribute if necessary!
>
> Liz
>
> ________________________________
> From: C HOLMES mailto:christineholmes651%40btinternet.com>
> To:
"mailto:%40yahoogroups.commailto:richardiiisociety\
forum%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 16:16
> Subject: Re: Richard III’s resting
place
>
>
> Hi.
> Certainly not. Richard must be given a proper burial and not put out
for all to see.
> please have some respect for him.
> Loyaulte me Lie
> Christine
>
> ________________________________
> From: vermeertwo mailto:hi.dung%40yahoo.com>
> To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 15:31
> Subject: Richard III’s resting
place
> Richard's bones have apparently been kept in a safe when not
undergoing examination. I spoke to someone in Leicester cathedral
recently; they fully expect to receive the remains of Richard III, but
are not happy about the burial of these under the existing flagstone
commemorating Richard. I suggested that the bones be put in a glass
container in the cathedral, like his brother George, in the crypt of
Tewkesbury Abbey.
>
suitable tomb, I would find the means to contribute. Anything for
Richard III.
Linda
--- In , liz williams wrote:
>
> Yes I'd pledge £100 too if necessary.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Judy Thomson
> To: ""
> Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 18:42
> Subject: Re: Richard III’s resting
place
>
>
> I'll contact Philippa. As broke as I am, I personally pledge L100, if
necessary. Who among you will match me? This is a once-in-a-lifetime
event....
>
> Judy
>
> Loyaulte me lie
>
> ________________________________
> From: liz williams mailto:ferrymansdaughter%40btinternet.com>
> To: "mailto:%40yahoogroups.com"
mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 12:35 PM
> Subject: Re: Richard III’s resting
place
> Totally agree. This sounds awful. I thought he would have a proper
tomb and I will contribute if necessary!
>
> Liz
>
> ________________________________
> From: C HOLMES mailto:christineholmes651%40btinternet.com>
> To:
"mailto:%40yahoogroups.commailto:richardiiisociety\
forum%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 16:16
> Subject: Re: Richard III’s resting
place
>
>
> Hi.
> Certainly not. Richard must be given a proper burial and not put out
for all to see.
> please have some respect for him.
> Loyaulte me Lie
> Christine
>
> ________________________________
> From: vermeertwo mailto:hi.dung%40yahoo.com>
> To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 15:31
> Subject: Richard III’s resting
place
> Richard's bones have apparently been kept in a safe when not
undergoing examination. I spoke to someone in Leicester cathedral
recently; they fully expect to receive the remains of Richard III, but
are not happy about the burial of these under the existing flagstone
commemorating Richard. I suggested that the bones be put in a glass
container in the cathedral, like his brother George, in the crypt of
Tewkesbury Abbey.
>
RE: [Richard III Society Forum] Richard III’s resting place
2013-01-10 18:57:57
Me too, and it would be nice to be invited to his funeral/reburial as well.
Do you think that will happen??
Jacq
To:
From: asphodellynwormwood@...
Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 18:51:24 +0000
Subject: Re: Richard IIIýýýs resting place
If it comes down to needing individual pledges to guarantee a
suitable tomb, I would find the means to contribute. Anything for
Richard III.
Linda
--- In , liz williams wrote:
>
> Yes I'd pledge ý100 too if necessary.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Judy Thomson
> To: ""
> Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 18:42
> Subject: Re: Richard IIIýýýs resting
place
>
>
> I'll contact Philippa. As broke as I am, I personally pledge L100, if
necessary. Who among you will match me? This is a once-in-a-lifetime
event....
>
> Judy
>
> Loyaulte me lie
>
> ________________________________
> From: liz williams mailto:ferrymansdaughter%40btinternet.com>
> To: "mailto:%40yahoogroups.com"
mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 12:35 PM
> Subject: Re: Richard IIIýýýs resting
place
> Totally agree. This sounds awful. I thought he would have a proper
tomb and I will contribute if necessary!
>
> Liz
>
> ________________________________
> From: C HOLMES mailto:christineholmes651%40btinternet.com>
> To:
"mailto:%40yahoogroups.commailto:richardiiisociety\
forum%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 16:16
> Subject: Re: Richard IIIýýýs resting
place
>
>
> Hi.
> Certainly not. Richard must be given a proper burial and not put out
for all to see.
> please have some respect for him.
> Loyaulte me Lie
> Christine
>
> ________________________________
> From: vermeertwo mailto:hi.dung%40yahoo.com>
> To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 15:31
> Subject: Richard IIIýýýs resting
place
> Richard's bones have apparently been kept in a safe when not
undergoing examination. I spoke to someone in Leicester cathedral
recently; they fully expect to receive the remains of Richard III, but
are not happy about the burial of these under the existing flagstone
commemorating Richard. I suggested that the bones be put in a glass
container in the cathedral, like his brother George, in the crypt of
Tewkesbury Abbey.
>
Do you think that will happen??
Jacq
To:
From: asphodellynwormwood@...
Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 18:51:24 +0000
Subject: Re: Richard IIIýýýs resting place
If it comes down to needing individual pledges to guarantee a
suitable tomb, I would find the means to contribute. Anything for
Richard III.
Linda
--- In , liz williams wrote:
>
> Yes I'd pledge ý100 too if necessary.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Judy Thomson
> To: ""
> Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 18:42
> Subject: Re: Richard IIIýýýs resting
place
>
>
> I'll contact Philippa. As broke as I am, I personally pledge L100, if
necessary. Who among you will match me? This is a once-in-a-lifetime
event....
>
> Judy
>
> Loyaulte me lie
>
> ________________________________
> From: liz williams mailto:ferrymansdaughter%40btinternet.com>
> To: "mailto:%40yahoogroups.com"
mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 12:35 PM
> Subject: Re: Richard IIIýýýs resting
place
> Totally agree. This sounds awful. I thought he would have a proper
tomb and I will contribute if necessary!
>
> Liz
>
> ________________________________
> From: C HOLMES mailto:christineholmes651%40btinternet.com>
> To:
"mailto:%40yahoogroups.commailto:richardiiisociety\
forum%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 16:16
> Subject: Re: Richard IIIýýýs resting
place
>
>
> Hi.
> Certainly not. Richard must be given a proper burial and not put out
for all to see.
> please have some respect for him.
> Loyaulte me Lie
> Christine
>
> ________________________________
> From: vermeertwo mailto:hi.dung%40yahoo.com>
> To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 15:31
> Subject: Richard IIIýýýs resting
place
> Richard's bones have apparently been kept in a safe when not
undergoing examination. I spoke to someone in Leicester cathedral
recently; they fully expect to receive the remains of Richard III, but
are not happy about the burial of these under the existing flagstone
commemorating Richard. I suggested that the bones be put in a glass
container in the cathedral, like his brother George, in the crypt of
Tewkesbury Abbey.
>
RE: [Richard III Society Forum] Richard III’s resting place
2013-01-10 19:28:24
Hi, Liz
I have mentioned this before. I think a fund should be set up to raise funds to erect an effigy tomb for Richard and eventually to move Queen Anne to rest beside him. I would be glad to contribute to a fund for these purposes.
I don't mind seeing the bones in the context of the study in the documentary, as long as it is respectfully done, but I have no desire to see his bones put on display and think it would be distasteful.
Are George's bones on display?
I believe the remains of Thomas More's skull is visible through a grate in his daughter's funeral crypt in Coventry. But in his case, apparently his body was interred in a mass grave in St. Peter ad Vincula (which is within the Tower), like Anne Boleyn's, and has never been located. His daughter apparently was able to retrieve the head, which had been displayed on a pike on London Bridge (or was it Tower Bridge).
Speaking of which, Richard's fate, a noble death in battle, is probably exactly what he would have favoured in light of the likely alternatives which would have followed his defeat.
Loyaulte me lie,
Johanne
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Johanne L. Tournier
Email - jltournier60@...
or jltournier@...
"With God, all things are possible."
- Jesus of Nazareth
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of liz williams
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 2:36 PM
To:
Subject: Re: Richard III's resting place
Totally agree. This sounds awful. I thought he would have a proper tomb and I will contribute if necessary!
Liz
________________________________
From: C HOLMES christineholmes651@... <mailto:christineholmes651%40btinternet.com> >
To: " <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> " <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> >
Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 16:16
Subject: Re: Richard III's resting place
Hi.
Certainly not. Richard must be given a proper burial and not put out for all to see.
please have some respect for him.
Loyaulte me Lie
Christine
________________________________
From: vermeertwo mailto:hi.dung%40yahoo.com>
To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 15:31
Subject: Richard III's resting place
Richard's bones have apparently been kept in a safe when not undergoing examination. I spoke to someone in Leicester cathedral recently; they fully expect to receive the remains of Richard III, but are not happy about the burial of these under the existing flagstone commemorating Richard. I suggested that the bones be put in a glass container in the cathedral, like his brother George, in the crypt of Tewkesbury Abbey.
I have mentioned this before. I think a fund should be set up to raise funds to erect an effigy tomb for Richard and eventually to move Queen Anne to rest beside him. I would be glad to contribute to a fund for these purposes.
I don't mind seeing the bones in the context of the study in the documentary, as long as it is respectfully done, but I have no desire to see his bones put on display and think it would be distasteful.
Are George's bones on display?
I believe the remains of Thomas More's skull is visible through a grate in his daughter's funeral crypt in Coventry. But in his case, apparently his body was interred in a mass grave in St. Peter ad Vincula (which is within the Tower), like Anne Boleyn's, and has never been located. His daughter apparently was able to retrieve the head, which had been displayed on a pike on London Bridge (or was it Tower Bridge).
Speaking of which, Richard's fate, a noble death in battle, is probably exactly what he would have favoured in light of the likely alternatives which would have followed his defeat.
Loyaulte me lie,
Johanne
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Johanne L. Tournier
Email - jltournier60@...
or jltournier@...
"With God, all things are possible."
- Jesus of Nazareth
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of liz williams
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 2:36 PM
To:
Subject: Re: Richard III's resting place
Totally agree. This sounds awful. I thought he would have a proper tomb and I will contribute if necessary!
Liz
________________________________
From: C HOLMES christineholmes651@... <mailto:christineholmes651%40btinternet.com> >
To: " <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> " <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> >
Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 16:16
Subject: Re: Richard III's resting place
Hi.
Certainly not. Richard must be given a proper burial and not put out for all to see.
please have some respect for him.
Loyaulte me Lie
Christine
________________________________
From: vermeertwo mailto:hi.dung%40yahoo.com>
To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 15:31
Subject: Richard III's resting place
Richard's bones have apparently been kept in a safe when not undergoing examination. I spoke to someone in Leicester cathedral recently; they fully expect to receive the remains of Richard III, but are not happy about the burial of these under the existing flagstone commemorating Richard. I suggested that the bones be put in a glass container in the cathedral, like his brother George, in the crypt of Tewkesbury Abbey.
RE: [Richard III Society Forum] Richard III’s resting place
2013-01-10 19:33:55
I'll match you, Judy, and would consider it an honour to do so!!
Richard deserves a lovely effigy tomb which will be a fitting homage to him as a chivalrous knight and monarch of the realm.
Loyaulte me lie,
Johanne
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Johanne L. Tournier
Email - jltournier60@...
or jltournier@...
"With God, all things are possible."
- Jesus of Nazareth
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of Judy Thomson
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 2:43 PM
To:
Subject: Re: Richard III's resting place
I'll contact Philippa. As broke as I am, I personally pledge L100, if necessary. Who among you will match me? This is a once-in-a-lifetime event....
Judy
Loyaulte me lie
________________________________
From: liz williams ferrymansdaughter@... <mailto:ferrymansdaughter%40btinternet.com> >
To: " <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> " <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> >
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 12:35 PM
Subject: Re: Richard III's resting place
Totally agree. This sounds awful. I thought he would have a proper tomb and I will contribute if necessary!
Liz
________________________________
From: C HOLMES christineholmes651@... <mailto:christineholmes651%40btinternet.com> >
To: " <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> >
Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 16:16
Subject: Re: Richard III's resting place
Hi.
Certainly not. Richard must be given a proper burial and not put out for all to see.
please have some respect for him.
Loyaulte me Lie
Christine
________________________________
From: vermeertwo mailto:hi.dung%40yahoo.com>
To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 15:31
Subject: Richard III's resting place
Richard's bones have apparently been kept in a safe when not undergoing examination. I spoke to someone in Leicester cathedral recently; they fully expect to receive the remains of Richard III, but are not happy about the burial of these under the existing flagstone commemorating Richard. I suggested that the bones be put in a glass container in the cathedral, like his brother George, in the crypt of Tewkesbury Abbey.
Richard deserves a lovely effigy tomb which will be a fitting homage to him as a chivalrous knight and monarch of the realm.
Loyaulte me lie,
Johanne
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Johanne L. Tournier
Email - jltournier60@...
or jltournier@...
"With God, all things are possible."
- Jesus of Nazareth
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of Judy Thomson
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 2:43 PM
To:
Subject: Re: Richard III's resting place
I'll contact Philippa. As broke as I am, I personally pledge L100, if necessary. Who among you will match me? This is a once-in-a-lifetime event....
Judy
Loyaulte me lie
________________________________
From: liz williams ferrymansdaughter@... <mailto:ferrymansdaughter%40btinternet.com> >
To: " <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> " <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> >
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 12:35 PM
Subject: Re: Richard III's resting place
Totally agree. This sounds awful. I thought he would have a proper tomb and I will contribute if necessary!
Liz
________________________________
From: C HOLMES christineholmes651@... <mailto:christineholmes651%40btinternet.com> >
To: " <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> >
Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 16:16
Subject: Re: Richard III's resting place
Hi.
Certainly not. Richard must be given a proper burial and not put out for all to see.
please have some respect for him.
Loyaulte me Lie
Christine
________________________________
From: vermeertwo mailto:hi.dung%40yahoo.com>
To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 15:31
Subject: Richard III's resting place
Richard's bones have apparently been kept in a safe when not undergoing examination. I spoke to someone in Leicester cathedral recently; they fully expect to receive the remains of Richard III, but are not happy about the burial of these under the existing flagstone commemorating Richard. I suggested that the bones be put in a glass container in the cathedral, like his brother George, in the crypt of Tewkesbury Abbey.
Re: [Richard III Society Forum] Richard IIIâs resting place
2013-01-10 19:38:56
No...not any more...They are in the Clarence vault in Tewkesbury in which the general public are not allowed. They were placed in the glass container many years ago..possibly 1876 when the vault was found to be flooded. I don't think placing the bones of ANYONE in a glass container would be acceptable today...Its a completely gross suggestion...I actually find it absolutely repulsive....Eileen
>
>
>
> Are George’s bones on display?
>
>
>
> I believe the remains of Thomas More’s skull is visible through a grate in his daughter’s funeral crypt in Coventry. But in his case, apparently his body was interred in a mass grave in St. Peter ad Vincula (which is within the Tower), like Anne Boleyn’s, and has never been located. His daughter apparently was able to retrieve the head, which had been displayed on a pike on London Bridge (or was it Tower Bridge).
>
>
>
> Speaking of which, Richard’s fate, a noble death in battle, is probably exactly what he would have favoured in light of the likely alternatives which would have followed his defeat.
>
>
>
> Loyaulte me lie,
>
>
>
> Johanne
>
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Johanne L. Tournier
>
>
>
> Email - jltournier60@...
>
> or jltournier@...
>
>
>
> "With God, all things are possible."
>
> - Jesus of Nazareth
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
>
> From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of liz williams
> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 2:36 PM
> To:
> Subject: Re: Richard III’s resting place
>
>
>
>
>
> Totally agree. This sounds awful. I thought he would have a proper tomb and I will contribute if necessary!
>
> Liz
>
> ________________________________
> From: C HOLMES christineholmes651@... >
> To: " " >
> Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 16:16
> Subject: Re: Richard III’s resting place
>
>
> Hi.
> Certainly not. Richard must be given a proper burial and not put out for all to see.
> please have some respect for him.
> Loyaulte me Lie
> Christine
>
> ________________________________
> From: vermeertwo mailto:hi.dung%40yahoo.com>
> To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 15:31
> Subject: Richard III’s resting place
>
>
>
> Richard's bones have apparently been kept in a safe when not undergoing examination. I spoke to someone in Leicester cathedral recently; they fully expect to receive the remains of Richard III, but are not happy about the burial of these under the existing flagstone commemorating Richard. I suggested that the bones be put in a glass container in the cathedral, like his brother George, in the crypt of Tewkesbury Abbey.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Are George’s bones on display?
>
>
>
> I believe the remains of Thomas More’s skull is visible through a grate in his daughter’s funeral crypt in Coventry. But in his case, apparently his body was interred in a mass grave in St. Peter ad Vincula (which is within the Tower), like Anne Boleyn’s, and has never been located. His daughter apparently was able to retrieve the head, which had been displayed on a pike on London Bridge (or was it Tower Bridge).
>
>
>
> Speaking of which, Richard’s fate, a noble death in battle, is probably exactly what he would have favoured in light of the likely alternatives which would have followed his defeat.
>
>
>
> Loyaulte me lie,
>
>
>
> Johanne
>
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Johanne L. Tournier
>
>
>
> Email - jltournier60@...
>
> or jltournier@...
>
>
>
> "With God, all things are possible."
>
> - Jesus of Nazareth
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
>
> From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of liz williams
> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 2:36 PM
> To:
> Subject: Re: Richard III’s resting place
>
>
>
>
>
> Totally agree. This sounds awful. I thought he would have a proper tomb and I will contribute if necessary!
>
> Liz
>
> ________________________________
> From: C HOLMES christineholmes651@... >
> To: " " >
> Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 16:16
> Subject: Re: Richard III’s resting place
>
>
> Hi.
> Certainly not. Richard must be given a proper burial and not put out for all to see.
> please have some respect for him.
> Loyaulte me Lie
> Christine
>
> ________________________________
> From: vermeertwo mailto:hi.dung%40yahoo.com>
> To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 15:31
> Subject: Richard III’s resting place
>
>
>
> Richard's bones have apparently been kept in a safe when not undergoing examination. I spoke to someone in Leicester cathedral recently; they fully expect to receive the remains of Richard III, but are not happy about the burial of these under the existing flagstone commemorating Richard. I suggested that the bones be put in a glass container in the cathedral, like his brother George, in the crypt of Tewkesbury Abbey.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
RE: [Richard III Society Forum] Richard III’s resting place
2013-01-10 20:45:49
Though I would agree to contribute, I find it incredulous that HMG would not rise to this occasion and find funds ( perhaps from the privy purse ;-0 )
George
But let's wait till "He who cannot be named" is!
-----Original Message-----
From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of Jacqueline Harvey
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 1:58 PM
To: Richard III forum
Subject: RE: Richard IIIâ¬"s resting place
Me too, and it would be nice to be invited to his funeral/reburial as well.
Do you think that will happen??
Jacq
To:
From: asphodellynwormwood@...
Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 18:51:24 +0000
Subject: Re: Richard IIIâ¬"s resting place
If it comes down to needing individual pledges to guarantee a
suitable tomb, I would find the means to contribute. Anything for
Richard III.
Linda
--- In , liz williams wrote:
>
> Yes I'd pledge £100 too if necessary.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Judy Thomson
> To: ""
> Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 18:42
> Subject: Re: Richard IIIâ¬"s resting
place
>
>
> I'll contact Philippa. As broke as I am, I personally pledge L100, if
necessary. Who among you will match me? This is a once-in-a-lifetime
event....
>
> Judy
>
> Loyaulte me lie
>
> ________________________________
> From: liz williams mailto:ferrymansdaughter%40btinternet.com>
> To: "mailto:%40yahoogroups.com"
mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 12:35 PM
> Subject: Re: Richard IIIâ¬"s resting
place
> Totally agree. This sounds awful. I thought he would have a proper
tomb and I will contribute if necessary!
>
> Liz
>
> ________________________________
> From: C HOLMES mailto:christineholmes651%40btinternet.com>
> To:
"mailto:%40yahoogroups.commailto:richardiiisociety\
forum%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 16:16
> Subject: Re: Richard IIIâ¬"s resting
place
>
>
> Hi.
> Certainly not. Richard must be given a proper burial and not put out
for all to see.
> please have some respect for him.
> Loyaulte me Lie
> Christine
>
> ________________________________
> From: vermeertwo mailto:hi.dung%40yahoo.com>
> To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 15:31
> Subject: Richard IIIâ¬"s resting
place
> Richard's bones have apparently been kept in a safe when not
undergoing examination. I spoke to someone in Leicester cathedral
recently; they fully expect to receive the remains of Richard III, but
are not happy about the burial of these under the existing flagstone
commemorating Richard. I suggested that the bones be put in a glass
container in the cathedral, like his brother George, in the crypt of
Tewkesbury Abbey.
>
------------------------------------
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George
But let's wait till "He who cannot be named" is!
-----Original Message-----
From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of Jacqueline Harvey
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 1:58 PM
To: Richard III forum
Subject: RE: Richard IIIâ¬"s resting place
Me too, and it would be nice to be invited to his funeral/reburial as well.
Do you think that will happen??
Jacq
To:
From: asphodellynwormwood@...
Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 18:51:24 +0000
Subject: Re: Richard IIIâ¬"s resting place
If it comes down to needing individual pledges to guarantee a
suitable tomb, I would find the means to contribute. Anything for
Richard III.
Linda
--- In , liz williams wrote:
>
> Yes I'd pledge £100 too if necessary.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Judy Thomson
> To: ""
> Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 18:42
> Subject: Re: Richard IIIâ¬"s resting
place
>
>
> I'll contact Philippa. As broke as I am, I personally pledge L100, if
necessary. Who among you will match me? This is a once-in-a-lifetime
event....
>
> Judy
>
> Loyaulte me lie
>
> ________________________________
> From: liz williams mailto:ferrymansdaughter%40btinternet.com>
> To: "mailto:%40yahoogroups.com"
mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 12:35 PM
> Subject: Re: Richard IIIâ¬"s resting
place
> Totally agree. This sounds awful. I thought he would have a proper
tomb and I will contribute if necessary!
>
> Liz
>
> ________________________________
> From: C HOLMES mailto:christineholmes651%40btinternet.com>
> To:
"mailto:%40yahoogroups.commailto:richardiiisociety\
forum%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 16:16
> Subject: Re: Richard IIIâ¬"s resting
place
>
>
> Hi.
> Certainly not. Richard must be given a proper burial and not put out
for all to see.
> please have some respect for him.
> Loyaulte me Lie
> Christine
>
> ________________________________
> From: vermeertwo mailto:hi.dung%40yahoo.com>
> To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 15:31
> Subject: Richard IIIâ¬"s resting
place
> Richard's bones have apparently been kept in a safe when not
undergoing examination. I spoke to someone in Leicester cathedral
recently; they fully expect to receive the remains of Richard III, but
are not happy about the burial of these under the existing flagstone
commemorating Richard. I suggested that the bones be put in a glass
container in the cathedral, like his brother George, in the crypt of
Tewkesbury Abbey.
>
------------------------------------
Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [Richard III Society Forum] Richard III’s resting place
2013-01-10 20:49:11
I agree, though I can think of several people that I would like to place in a glass container&&&&&&&.
From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of EileenB
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 2:39 PM
To:
Subject: Re: Richard IIIâ¬"s resting place
No...not any more...They are in the Clarence vault in Tewkesbury in which the general public are not allowed. They were placed in the glass container many years ago..possibly 1876 when the vault was found to be flooded. I don't think placing the bones of ANYONE in a glass container would be acceptable today...Its a completely gross suggestion...I actually find it absolutely repulsive....Eileen
>
>
>
> Are Georgeâ¬"s bones on display?
>
>
>
> I believe the remains of Thomas Moreâ¬"s skull is visible through a grate in his daughterâ¬"s funeral crypt in Coventry. But in his case, apparently his body was interred in a mass grave in St. Peter ad Vincula (which is within the Tower), like Anne Boleynâ¬"s, and has never been located. His daughter apparently was able to retrieve the head, which had been displayed on a pike on London Bridge (or was it Tower Bridge).
>
>
>
> Speaking of which, Richardâ¬"s fate, a noble death in battle, is probably exactly what he would have favoured in light of the likely alternatives which would have followed his defeat.
>
>
>
> Loyaulte me lie,
>
>
>
> Johanne
>
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Johanne L. Tournier
>
>
>
> Email - jltournier60@...
>
> or jltournier@...
>
>
>
> "With God, all things are possible."
>
> - Jesus of Nazareth
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
>
> From: <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto: <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of liz williams
> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 2:36 PM
> To: <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Richard IIIâ¬"s resting place
>
>
>
>
>
> Totally agree. This sounds awful. I thought he would have a proper tomb and I will contribute if necessary!
>
> Liz
>
> ________________________________
> From: C HOLMES christineholmes651@... >
> To: " <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> " <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> >
> Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 16:16
> Subject: Re: Richard IIIâ¬"s resting place
>
>
> Hi.
> Certainly not. Richard must be given a proper burial and not put out for all to see.
> please have some respect for him.
> Loyaulte me Lie
> Christine
>
> ________________________________
> From: vermeertwo mailto:hi.dung%40yahoo.com>
> To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 15:31
> Subject: Richard IIIâ¬"s resting place
>
>
>
> Richard's bones have apparently been kept in a safe when not undergoing examination. I spoke to someone in Leicester cathedral recently; they fully expect to receive the remains of Richard III, but are not happy about the burial of these under the existing flagstone commemorating Richard. I suggested that the bones be put in a glass container in the cathedral, like his brother George, in the crypt of Tewkesbury Abbey.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of EileenB
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 2:39 PM
To:
Subject: Re: Richard IIIâ¬"s resting place
No...not any more...They are in the Clarence vault in Tewkesbury in which the general public are not allowed. They were placed in the glass container many years ago..possibly 1876 when the vault was found to be flooded. I don't think placing the bones of ANYONE in a glass container would be acceptable today...Its a completely gross suggestion...I actually find it absolutely repulsive....Eileen
>
>
>
> Are Georgeâ¬"s bones on display?
>
>
>
> I believe the remains of Thomas Moreâ¬"s skull is visible through a grate in his daughterâ¬"s funeral crypt in Coventry. But in his case, apparently his body was interred in a mass grave in St. Peter ad Vincula (which is within the Tower), like Anne Boleynâ¬"s, and has never been located. His daughter apparently was able to retrieve the head, which had been displayed on a pike on London Bridge (or was it Tower Bridge).
>
>
>
> Speaking of which, Richardâ¬"s fate, a noble death in battle, is probably exactly what he would have favoured in light of the likely alternatives which would have followed his defeat.
>
>
>
> Loyaulte me lie,
>
>
>
> Johanne
>
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Johanne L. Tournier
>
>
>
> Email - jltournier60@...
>
> or jltournier@...
>
>
>
> "With God, all things are possible."
>
> - Jesus of Nazareth
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
>
> From: <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto: <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of liz williams
> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 2:36 PM
> To: <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Richard IIIâ¬"s resting place
>
>
>
>
>
> Totally agree. This sounds awful. I thought he would have a proper tomb and I will contribute if necessary!
>
> Liz
>
> ________________________________
> From: C HOLMES christineholmes651@... >
> To: " <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> " <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> >
> Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 16:16
> Subject: Re: Richard IIIâ¬"s resting place
>
>
> Hi.
> Certainly not. Richard must be given a proper burial and not put out for all to see.
> please have some respect for him.
> Loyaulte me Lie
> Christine
>
> ________________________________
> From: vermeertwo mailto:hi.dung%40yahoo.com>
> To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 15:31
> Subject: Richard IIIâ¬"s resting place
>
>
>
> Richard's bones have apparently been kept in a safe when not undergoing examination. I spoke to someone in Leicester cathedral recently; they fully expect to receive the remains of Richard III, but are not happy about the burial of these under the existing flagstone commemorating Richard. I suggested that the bones be put in a glass container in the cathedral, like his brother George, in the crypt of Tewkesbury Abbey.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Re: [Richard III Society Forum] Richard III’s resting place
2013-01-10 20:53:11
I guess Her privy purse is way deeper than all of us put together.....:/
________________________________
From: George Butterfield <gbutterf1@...>
To:
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 3:45 PM
Subject: RE: Richard IIIâ¬"s resting place
Though I would agree to contribute, I find it incredulous that HMG would not rise to this occasion and find funds ( perhaps from the privy purse ;-0 )
George
But let's wait till "He who cannot be named" is!
-----Original Message-----
From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of Jacqueline Harvey
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 1:58 PM
To: Richard III forum
Subject: RE: Richard IIIâ¬"s resting place
Me too, and it would be nice to be invited to his funeral/reburial as well.
Do you think that will happen??
Jacq
To:
From: asphodellynwormwood@...
Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 18:51:24 +0000
Subject: Re: Richard IIIâ¬"s resting place
If it comes down to needing individual pledges to guarantee a
suitable tomb, I would find the means to contribute. Anything for
Richard III.
Linda
--- In , liz williams wrote:
>
> Yes I'd pledge £100 too if necessary.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Judy Thomson
> To: ""
> Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 18:42
> Subject: Re: Richard IIIâ¬"s resting
place
>
>
> I'll contact Philippa. As broke as I am, I personally pledge L100, if
necessary. Who among you will match me? This is a once-in-a-lifetime
event....
>
> Judy
>
> Loyaulte me lie
>
> ________________________________
> From: liz williams mailto:ferrymansdaughter%40btinternet.com>
> To: "mailto:%40yahoogroups.com"
mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 12:35 PM
> Subject: Re: Richard IIIâ¬"s resting
place
> Totally agree. This sounds awful. I thought he would have a proper
tomb and I will contribute if necessary!
>
> Liz
>
> ________________________________
> From: C HOLMES mailto:christineholmes651%40btinternet.com>
> To:
"mailto:%40yahoogroups.commailto:richardiiisociety\
forum%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 16:16
> Subject: Re: Richard IIIâ¬"s resting
place
>
>
> Hi.
> Certainly not. Richard must be given a proper burial and not put out
for all to see.
> please have some respect for him.
> Loyaulte me Lie
> Christine
>
> ________________________________
> From: vermeertwo mailto:hi.dung%40yahoo.com>
> To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 15:31
> Subject: Richard IIIâ¬"s resting
place
> Richard's bones have apparently been kept in a safe when not
undergoing examination. I spoke to someone in Leicester cathedral
recently; they fully expect to receive the remains of Richard III, but
are not happy about the burial of these under the existing flagstone
commemorating Richard. I suggested that the bones be put in a glass
container in the cathedral, like his brother George, in the crypt of
Tewkesbury Abbey.
>
------------------------------------
Yahoo! Groups Links
________________________________
From: George Butterfield <gbutterf1@...>
To:
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 3:45 PM
Subject: RE: Richard IIIâ¬"s resting place
Though I would agree to contribute, I find it incredulous that HMG would not rise to this occasion and find funds ( perhaps from the privy purse ;-0 )
George
But let's wait till "He who cannot be named" is!
-----Original Message-----
From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of Jacqueline Harvey
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 1:58 PM
To: Richard III forum
Subject: RE: Richard IIIâ¬"s resting place
Me too, and it would be nice to be invited to his funeral/reburial as well.
Do you think that will happen??
Jacq
To:
From: asphodellynwormwood@...
Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 18:51:24 +0000
Subject: Re: Richard IIIâ¬"s resting place
If it comes down to needing individual pledges to guarantee a
suitable tomb, I would find the means to contribute. Anything for
Richard III.
Linda
--- In , liz williams wrote:
>
> Yes I'd pledge £100 too if necessary.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Judy Thomson
> To: ""
> Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 18:42
> Subject: Re: Richard IIIâ¬"s resting
place
>
>
> I'll contact Philippa. As broke as I am, I personally pledge L100, if
necessary. Who among you will match me? This is a once-in-a-lifetime
event....
>
> Judy
>
> Loyaulte me lie
>
> ________________________________
> From: liz williams mailto:ferrymansdaughter%40btinternet.com>
> To: "mailto:%40yahoogroups.com"
mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 12:35 PM
> Subject: Re: Richard IIIâ¬"s resting
place
> Totally agree. This sounds awful. I thought he would have a proper
tomb and I will contribute if necessary!
>
> Liz
>
> ________________________________
> From: C HOLMES mailto:christineholmes651%40btinternet.com>
> To:
"mailto:%40yahoogroups.commailto:richardiiisociety\
forum%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 16:16
> Subject: Re: Richard IIIâ¬"s resting
place
>
>
> Hi.
> Certainly not. Richard must be given a proper burial and not put out
for all to see.
> please have some respect for him.
> Loyaulte me Lie
> Christine
>
> ________________________________
> From: vermeertwo mailto:hi.dung%40yahoo.com>
> To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 15:31
> Subject: Richard IIIâ¬"s resting
place
> Richard's bones have apparently been kept in a safe when not
undergoing examination. I spoke to someone in Leicester cathedral
recently; they fully expect to receive the remains of Richard III, but
are not happy about the burial of these under the existing flagstone
commemorating Richard. I suggested that the bones be put in a glass
container in the cathedral, like his brother George, in the crypt of
Tewkesbury Abbey.
>
------------------------------------
Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [Richard III Society Forum] Richard III’s resting place
2013-01-10 21:19:22
Last year the Society showed a bank credit balance of 128,00UKP. Why is some of this not going to be used? Or is it? Not heard anything.
Paul
On 10 Jan 2013, at 19:30, Johanne Tournier wrote:
> I'll match you, Judy, and would consider it an honour to do so!!
>
>
>
> Richard deserves a lovely effigy tomb which will be a fitting homage to him as a chivalrous knight and monarch of the realm.
>
>
>
> Loyaulte me lie,
>
>
>
> Johanne
>
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Johanne L. Tournier
>
>
>
> Email - jltournier60@...
>
> or jltournier@...
>
>
>
> "With God, all things are possible."
>
> - Jesus of Nazareth
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
>
> From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of Judy Thomson
> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 2:43 PM
> To:
> Subject: Re: Richard III's resting place
>
>
>
>
>
> I'll contact Philippa. As broke as I am, I personally pledge L100, if necessary. Who among you will match me? This is a once-in-a-lifetime event....
>
> Judy
>
> Loyaulte me lie
>
> ________________________________
> From: liz williams ferrymansdaughter@... <mailto:ferrymansdaughter%40btinternet.com> >
> To: " <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> " <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> >
> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 12:35 PM
> Subject: Re: Richard III's resting place
>
>
>
> Totally agree. This sounds awful. I thought he would have a proper tomb and I will contribute if necessary!
>
> Liz
>
> ________________________________
> From: C HOLMES christineholmes651@... <mailto:christineholmes651%40btinternet.com> >
> To: " <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> >
> Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 16:16
> Subject: Re: Richard III's resting place
>
>
> Hi.
> Certainly not. Richard must be given a proper burial and not put out for all to see.
> please have some respect for him.
> Loyaulte me Lie
> Christine
>
> ________________________________
> From: vermeertwo mailto:hi.dung%40yahoo.com>
> To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 15:31
> Subject: Richard III's resting place
>
>
>
> Richard's bones have apparently been kept in a safe when not undergoing examination. I spoke to someone in Leicester cathedral recently; they fully expect to receive the remains of Richard III, but are not happy about the burial of these under the existing flagstone commemorating Richard. I suggested that the bones be put in a glass container in the cathedral, like his brother George, in the crypt of Tewkesbury Abbey.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
Richard Liveth Yet!
Paul
On 10 Jan 2013, at 19:30, Johanne Tournier wrote:
> I'll match you, Judy, and would consider it an honour to do so!!
>
>
>
> Richard deserves a lovely effigy tomb which will be a fitting homage to him as a chivalrous knight and monarch of the realm.
>
>
>
> Loyaulte me lie,
>
>
>
> Johanne
>
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Johanne L. Tournier
>
>
>
> Email - jltournier60@...
>
> or jltournier@...
>
>
>
> "With God, all things are possible."
>
> - Jesus of Nazareth
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
>
> From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of Judy Thomson
> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 2:43 PM
> To:
> Subject: Re: Richard III's resting place
>
>
>
>
>
> I'll contact Philippa. As broke as I am, I personally pledge L100, if necessary. Who among you will match me? This is a once-in-a-lifetime event....
>
> Judy
>
> Loyaulte me lie
>
> ________________________________
> From: liz williams ferrymansdaughter@... <mailto:ferrymansdaughter%40btinternet.com> >
> To: " <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> " <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> >
> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 12:35 PM
> Subject: Re: Richard III's resting place
>
>
>
> Totally agree. This sounds awful. I thought he would have a proper tomb and I will contribute if necessary!
>
> Liz
>
> ________________________________
> From: C HOLMES christineholmes651@... <mailto:christineholmes651%40btinternet.com> >
> To: " <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> >
> Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 16:16
> Subject: Re: Richard III's resting place
>
>
> Hi.
> Certainly not. Richard must be given a proper burial and not put out for all to see.
> please have some respect for him.
> Loyaulte me Lie
> Christine
>
> ________________________________
> From: vermeertwo mailto:hi.dung%40yahoo.com>
> To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 15:31
> Subject: Richard III's resting place
>
>
>
> Richard's bones have apparently been kept in a safe when not undergoing examination. I spoke to someone in Leicester cathedral recently; they fully expect to receive the remains of Richard III, but are not happy about the burial of these under the existing flagstone commemorating Richard. I suggested that the bones be put in a glass container in the cathedral, like his brother George, in the crypt of Tewkesbury Abbey.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
Richard Liveth Yet!
Re: [Richard III Society Forum] Richard III’s resting place
2013-01-10 22:49:20
That much, eh? Well, of all the projects they might fund, this seems the one the Society would be best remembered for.
Indeed, we already have a preliminary memorial brass in the prototype designed by Geoffrey Wheeler. With a few modifications (and additional detail, especially when there's a facial reconstruction available), this would be quite beautiful, full-sized atop a base. White Carrara marble was my original "vision," with bas relief scenes on the long sides, canopied within Gothic tracery arches.
Judy,
who dreamed about this in 2011....
Loyaulte me lie
________________________________
From: Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@...>
To:
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: Richard III's resting place
Last year the Society showed a bank credit balance of 128,00UKP. Why is some of this not going to be used? Or is it? Not heard anything.
Paul
On 10 Jan 2013, at 19:30, Johanne Tournier wrote:
> I'll match you, Judy, and would consider it an honour to do so!!
>
>
>
> Richard deserves a lovely effigy tomb which will be a fitting homage to him as a chivalrous knight and monarch of the realm.
>
>
>
> Loyaulte me lie,
>
>
>
> Johanne
>
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Johanne L. Tournier
>
>
>
> Email - jltournier60@...
>
> or jltournier@...
>
>
>
> "With God, all things are possible."
>
> - Jesus of Nazareth
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
>
> From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of Judy Thomson
> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 2:43 PM
> To:
> Subject: Re: Richard III's resting place
>
>
>
>
>
> I'll contact Philippa. As broke as I am, I personally pledge L100, if necessary. Who among you will match me? This is a once-in-a-lifetime event....
>
> Judy
>
> Loyaulte me lie
>
> ________________________________
> From: liz williams ferrymansdaughter@... <mailto:ferrymansdaughter%40btinternet.com> >
> To: " <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> " <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> >
> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 12:35 PM
> Subject: Re: Richard III's resting place
>
>
>
> Totally agree. This sounds awful. I thought he would have a proper tomb and I will contribute if necessary!
>
> Liz
>
> ________________________________
> From: C HOLMES christineholmes651@... <mailto:christineholmes651%40btinternet.com> >
> To: " <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> >
> Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 16:16
> Subject: Re: Richard III's resting place
>
>
> Hi.
> Certainly not. Richard must be given a proper burial and not put out for all to see.
> please have some respect for him.
> Loyaulte me Lie
> Christine
>
> ________________________________
> From: vermeertwo mailto:hi.dung%40yahoo.com>
> To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 15:31
> Subject: Richard III's resting place
>
>
>
> Richard's bones have apparently been kept in a safe when not undergoing examination. I spoke to someone in Leicester cathedral recently; they fully expect to receive the remains of Richard III, but are not happy about the burial of these under the existing flagstone commemorating Richard. I suggested that the bones be put in a glass container in the cathedral, like his brother George, in the crypt of Tewkesbury Abbey.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
Richard Liveth Yet!
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Indeed, we already have a preliminary memorial brass in the prototype designed by Geoffrey Wheeler. With a few modifications (and additional detail, especially when there's a facial reconstruction available), this would be quite beautiful, full-sized atop a base. White Carrara marble was my original "vision," with bas relief scenes on the long sides, canopied within Gothic tracery arches.
Judy,
who dreamed about this in 2011....
Loyaulte me lie
________________________________
From: Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@...>
To:
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: Richard III's resting place
Last year the Society showed a bank credit balance of 128,00UKP. Why is some of this not going to be used? Or is it? Not heard anything.
Paul
On 10 Jan 2013, at 19:30, Johanne Tournier wrote:
> I'll match you, Judy, and would consider it an honour to do so!!
>
>
>
> Richard deserves a lovely effigy tomb which will be a fitting homage to him as a chivalrous knight and monarch of the realm.
>
>
>
> Loyaulte me lie,
>
>
>
> Johanne
>
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Johanne L. Tournier
>
>
>
> Email - jltournier60@...
>
> or jltournier@...
>
>
>
> "With God, all things are possible."
>
> - Jesus of Nazareth
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
>
> From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of Judy Thomson
> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 2:43 PM
> To:
> Subject: Re: Richard III's resting place
>
>
>
>
>
> I'll contact Philippa. As broke as I am, I personally pledge L100, if necessary. Who among you will match me? This is a once-in-a-lifetime event....
>
> Judy
>
> Loyaulte me lie
>
> ________________________________
> From: liz williams ferrymansdaughter@... <mailto:ferrymansdaughter%40btinternet.com> >
> To: " <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> " <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> >
> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 12:35 PM
> Subject: Re: Richard III's resting place
>
>
>
> Totally agree. This sounds awful. I thought he would have a proper tomb and I will contribute if necessary!
>
> Liz
>
> ________________________________
> From: C HOLMES christineholmes651@... <mailto:christineholmes651%40btinternet.com> >
> To: " <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> >
> Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 16:16
> Subject: Re: Richard III's resting place
>
>
> Hi.
> Certainly not. Richard must be given a proper burial and not put out for all to see.
> please have some respect for him.
> Loyaulte me Lie
> Christine
>
> ________________________________
> From: vermeertwo mailto:hi.dung%40yahoo.com>
> To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 15:31
> Subject: Richard III's resting place
>
>
>
> Richard's bones have apparently been kept in a safe when not undergoing examination. I spoke to someone in Leicester cathedral recently; they fully expect to receive the remains of Richard III, but are not happy about the burial of these under the existing flagstone commemorating Richard. I suggested that the bones be put in a glass container in the cathedral, like his brother George, in the crypt of Tewkesbury Abbey.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
Richard Liveth Yet!
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Re: [Richard III Society Forum] Richard III’s resting place
2013-01-10 23:00:00
Judy, if you dream it's good to dream big:D!!
Ishita Bandyo
www.ishitabandyo.com
www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
On Jan 10, 2013, at 5:49 PM, Judy Thomson <judygerard.thomson@...> wrote:
> That much, eh? Well, of all the projects they might fund, this seems the one the Society would be best remembered for.
>
> Indeed, we already have a preliminary memorial brass in the prototype designed by Geoffrey Wheeler. With a few modifications (and additional detail, especially when there's a facial reconstruction available), this would be quite beautiful, full-sized atop a base. White Carrara marble was my original "vision," with bas relief scenes on the long sides, canopied within Gothic tracery arches.
>
> Judy,
> who dreamed about this in 2011....
>
> Loyaulte me lie
>
> ________________________________
> From: Paul Trevor Bale paul.bale@...>
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 3:19 PM
> Subject: Re: Richard III's resting place
>
> Last year the Society showed a bank credit balance of 128,00UKP. Why is some of this not going to be used? Or is it? Not heard anything.
> Paul
>
> On 10 Jan 2013, at 19:30, Johanne Tournier wrote:
>
> > I'll match you, Judy, and would consider it an honour to do so!!
> >
> >
> >
> > Richard deserves a lovely effigy tomb which will be a fitting homage to him as a chivalrous knight and monarch of the realm.
> >
> >
> >
> > Loyaulte me lie,
> >
> >
> >
> > Johanne
> >
> >
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> > Johanne L. Tournier
> >
> >
> >
> > Email - jltournier60@...
> >
> > or jltournier@...
> >
> >
> >
> > "With God, all things are possible."
> >
> > - Jesus of Nazareth
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> >
> >
> > From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of Judy Thomson
> > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 2:43 PM
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Richard III's resting place
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I'll contact Philippa. As broke as I am, I personally pledge L100, if necessary. Who among you will match me? This is a once-in-a-lifetime event....
> >
> > Judy
> >
> > Loyaulte me lie
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: liz williams ferrymansdaughter@... >
> > To: " " >
> > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 12:35 PM
> > Subject: Re: Richard III's resting place
> >
> >
> >
> > Totally agree. This sounds awful. I thought he would have a proper tomb and I will contribute if necessary!
> >
> > Liz
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: C HOLMES christineholmes651@... >
> > To: " >
> > Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 16:16
> > Subject: Re: Richard III's resting place
> >
> >
> > Hi.
> > Certainly not. Richard must be given a proper burial and not put out for all to see.
> > please have some respect for him.
> > Loyaulte me Lie
> > Christine
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: vermeertwo mailto:hi.dung%40yahoo.com>
> > To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 15:31
> > Subject: Richard III's resting place
> >
> >
> >
> > Richard's bones have apparently been kept in a safe when not undergoing examination. I spoke to someone in Leicester cathedral recently; they fully expect to receive the remains of Richard III, but are not happy about the burial of these under the existing flagstone commemorating Richard. I suggested that the bones be put in a glass container in the cathedral, like his brother George, in the crypt of Tewkesbury Abbey.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
> Richard Liveth Yet!
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
Ishita Bandyo
www.ishitabandyo.com
www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
On Jan 10, 2013, at 5:49 PM, Judy Thomson <judygerard.thomson@...> wrote:
> That much, eh? Well, of all the projects they might fund, this seems the one the Society would be best remembered for.
>
> Indeed, we already have a preliminary memorial brass in the prototype designed by Geoffrey Wheeler. With a few modifications (and additional detail, especially when there's a facial reconstruction available), this would be quite beautiful, full-sized atop a base. White Carrara marble was my original "vision," with bas relief scenes on the long sides, canopied within Gothic tracery arches.
>
> Judy,
> who dreamed about this in 2011....
>
> Loyaulte me lie
>
> ________________________________
> From: Paul Trevor Bale paul.bale@...>
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 3:19 PM
> Subject: Re: Richard III's resting place
>
> Last year the Society showed a bank credit balance of 128,00UKP. Why is some of this not going to be used? Or is it? Not heard anything.
> Paul
>
> On 10 Jan 2013, at 19:30, Johanne Tournier wrote:
>
> > I'll match you, Judy, and would consider it an honour to do so!!
> >
> >
> >
> > Richard deserves a lovely effigy tomb which will be a fitting homage to him as a chivalrous knight and monarch of the realm.
> >
> >
> >
> > Loyaulte me lie,
> >
> >
> >
> > Johanne
> >
> >
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> > Johanne L. Tournier
> >
> >
> >
> > Email - jltournier60@...
> >
> > or jltournier@...
> >
> >
> >
> > "With God, all things are possible."
> >
> > - Jesus of Nazareth
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> >
> >
> > From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of Judy Thomson
> > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 2:43 PM
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Richard III's resting place
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I'll contact Philippa. As broke as I am, I personally pledge L100, if necessary. Who among you will match me? This is a once-in-a-lifetime event....
> >
> > Judy
> >
> > Loyaulte me lie
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: liz williams ferrymansdaughter@... >
> > To: " " >
> > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 12:35 PM
> > Subject: Re: Richard III's resting place
> >
> >
> >
> > Totally agree. This sounds awful. I thought he would have a proper tomb and I will contribute if necessary!
> >
> > Liz
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: C HOLMES christineholmes651@... >
> > To: " >
> > Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 16:16
> > Subject: Re: Richard III's resting place
> >
> >
> > Hi.
> > Certainly not. Richard must be given a proper burial and not put out for all to see.
> > please have some respect for him.
> > Loyaulte me Lie
> > Christine
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: vermeertwo mailto:hi.dung%40yahoo.com>
> > To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 15:31
> > Subject: Richard III's resting place
> >
> >
> >
> > Richard's bones have apparently been kept in a safe when not undergoing examination. I spoke to someone in Leicester cathedral recently; they fully expect to receive the remains of Richard III, but are not happy about the burial of these under the existing flagstone commemorating Richard. I suggested that the bones be put in a glass container in the cathedral, like his brother George, in the crypt of Tewkesbury Abbey.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
> Richard Liveth Yet!
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
Re: [Richard III Society Forum] Richard III’s resting place
2013-01-11 01:26:58
As Daniel Burnham, who "designed" Chicago after the Great Fire, said: "Make no small plans." :-)
Judy
Loyaulte me lie
________________________________
From: Richard Yahoo <bandyoi@...>
To: "" <>
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 4:59 PM
Subject: Re: Richard III's resting place
Judy, if you dream it's good to dream big:D!!
Ishita Bandyo
www.ishitabandyo.com
www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
On Jan 10, 2013, at 5:49 PM, Judy Thomson judygerard.thomson@...> wrote:
> That much, eh? Well, of all the projects they might fund, this seems the one the Society would be best remembered for.
>
> Indeed, we already have a preliminary memorial brass in the prototype designed by Geoffrey Wheeler. With a few modifications (and additional detail, especially when there's a facial reconstruction available), this would be quite beautiful, full-sized atop a base. White Carrara marble was my original "vision," with bas relief scenes on the long sides, canopied within Gothic tracery arches.
>
> Judy,
> who dreamed about this in 2011....
>
> Loyaulte me lie
>
Judy
Loyaulte me lie
________________________________
From: Richard Yahoo <bandyoi@...>
To: "" <>
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 4:59 PM
Subject: Re: Richard III's resting place
Judy, if you dream it's good to dream big:D!!
Ishita Bandyo
www.ishitabandyo.com
www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
On Jan 10, 2013, at 5:49 PM, Judy Thomson judygerard.thomson@...> wrote:
> That much, eh? Well, of all the projects they might fund, this seems the one the Society would be best remembered for.
>
> Indeed, we already have a preliminary memorial brass in the prototype designed by Geoffrey Wheeler. With a few modifications (and additional detail, especially when there's a facial reconstruction available), this would be quite beautiful, full-sized atop a base. White Carrara marble was my original "vision," with bas relief scenes on the long sides, canopied within Gothic tracery arches.
>
> Judy,
> who dreamed about this in 2011....
>
> Loyaulte me lie
>
Re: [Richard III Society Forum] Richard III’s resting place
2013-01-11 10:29:02
My mother was fond of saying 'Aim for the treetops and you'll only reach the lower branches. Aim for the stars and you'll get to the treetops.'
Paul
Richard Liveth Yet!
On 11 Jan 2013, at 01:26, Judy Thomson wrote:
> As Daniel Burnham, who "designed" Chicago after the Great Fire, said: "Make no small plans." :-)
>
> Judy
>
> Loyaulte me lie
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Richard Yahoo <bandyoi@...>
> To: "" <>
> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 4:59 PM
> Subject: Re: Richard III's resting place
>
>
>
> Judy, if you dream it's good to dream big:D!!
>
> Ishita Bandyo
> www.ishitabandyo.com
> www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
> www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
>
> On Jan 10, 2013, at 5:49 PM, Judy Thomson judygerard.thomson@...> wrote:
>
>> That much, eh? Well, of all the projects they might fund, this seems the one the Society would be best remembered for.
>>
>> Indeed, we already have a preliminary memorial brass in the prototype designed by Geoffrey Wheeler. With a few modifications (and additional detail, especially when there's a facial reconstruction available), this would be quite beautiful, full-sized atop a base. White Carrara marble was my original "vision," with bas relief scenes on the long sides, canopied within Gothic tracery arches.
>>
>> Judy,
>> who dreamed about this in 2011....
>>
>> Loyaulte me lie
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
Richard Liveth Yet!
Paul
Richard Liveth Yet!
On 11 Jan 2013, at 01:26, Judy Thomson wrote:
> As Daniel Burnham, who "designed" Chicago after the Great Fire, said: "Make no small plans." :-)
>
> Judy
>
> Loyaulte me lie
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Richard Yahoo <bandyoi@...>
> To: "" <>
> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 4:59 PM
> Subject: Re: Richard III's resting place
>
>
>
> Judy, if you dream it's good to dream big:D!!
>
> Ishita Bandyo
> www.ishitabandyo.com
> www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
> www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
>
> On Jan 10, 2013, at 5:49 PM, Judy Thomson judygerard.thomson@...> wrote:
>
>> That much, eh? Well, of all the projects they might fund, this seems the one the Society would be best remembered for.
>>
>> Indeed, we already have a preliminary memorial brass in the prototype designed by Geoffrey Wheeler. With a few modifications (and additional detail, especially when there's a facial reconstruction available), this would be quite beautiful, full-sized atop a base. White Carrara marble was my original "vision," with bas relief scenes on the long sides, canopied within Gothic tracery arches.
>>
>> Judy,
>> who dreamed about this in 2011....
>>
>> Loyaulte me lie
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
Richard Liveth Yet!
Re: [Richard III Society Forum] Richard III’s resting place
2013-01-11 10:44:59
Hi, totally agree.
Best Wishes
Loyaulte me Lie.
Christine
________________________________
From: colyngbourne <[email protected]>
To:
Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 16:41
Subject: Re: Richard IIIâ¬"s resting place
I agree, Christine: it would be wholly disrespectful for the bones of an anointed and crowned King of England to be publicly displayed wherever he is laid to rest.
I am aware "Leicester Cathedral fully expect" and I think it is wholly wrong that they do so. I also gather that there was some element of agreement before the dig began that whatever bones were found would be re-interred in the Cathedral.
That's kind of fair enough if they weren't really expecting to find a crowned and anointed King of England but if it is Richard, it can no longer be simply decided on that previous agreement: it is a national matter and not a matter of "finders keepers" or "place of death". I hope the Ministry of Justice who are apparently announcing next week the location of the bones' re-interment are not simply following the line of greatest convenience rather than considering the most fitting and appropriate resting-place for a King of England. Personally I feel the "tourism" angle is pretty much the main one being touted for Leicester, although I know there is much feeling that the bones should lie close to where they were found. I hold for York Minster still.
Col
--- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, C HOLMES wrote:
>
> Hi.
> Certainly not. Richard must be given a proper burial and not put out for all to see.
> please have some respect for him.
> Loyaulte me Lie
> Christine
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: vermeertwo
> To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 15:31
> Subject: Richard IIIâ¬"s resting place
>
>
> Â
>
>
>
> Richard's bones have apparently been kept in a safe when not undergoing examination. I spoke to someone in Leicester cathedral recently; they fully expect to receive the remains of Richard III, but are not happy about the burial of these under the existing flagstone commemorating Richard. I suggested that the bones be put in a glass container in the cathedral, like his brother George, in the crypt of Tewkesbury Abbey.
>
>
>
>
>
>
Best Wishes
Loyaulte me Lie.
Christine
________________________________
From: colyngbourne <[email protected]>
To:
Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 16:41
Subject: Re: Richard IIIâ¬"s resting place
I agree, Christine: it would be wholly disrespectful for the bones of an anointed and crowned King of England to be publicly displayed wherever he is laid to rest.
I am aware "Leicester Cathedral fully expect" and I think it is wholly wrong that they do so. I also gather that there was some element of agreement before the dig began that whatever bones were found would be re-interred in the Cathedral.
That's kind of fair enough if they weren't really expecting to find a crowned and anointed King of England but if it is Richard, it can no longer be simply decided on that previous agreement: it is a national matter and not a matter of "finders keepers" or "place of death". I hope the Ministry of Justice who are apparently announcing next week the location of the bones' re-interment are not simply following the line of greatest convenience rather than considering the most fitting and appropriate resting-place for a King of England. Personally I feel the "tourism" angle is pretty much the main one being touted for Leicester, although I know there is much feeling that the bones should lie close to where they were found. I hold for York Minster still.
Col
--- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, C HOLMES wrote:
>
> Hi.
> Certainly not. Richard must be given a proper burial and not put out for all to see.
> please have some respect for him.
> Loyaulte me Lie
> Christine
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: vermeertwo
> To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 15:31
> Subject: Richard IIIâ¬"s resting place
>
>
> Â
>
>
>
> Richard's bones have apparently been kept in a safe when not undergoing examination. I spoke to someone in Leicester cathedral recently; they fully expect to receive the remains of Richard III, but are not happy about the burial of these under the existing flagstone commemorating Richard. I suggested that the bones be put in a glass container in the cathedral, like his brother George, in the crypt of Tewkesbury Abbey.
>
>
>
>
>
>
Re: [Richard III Society Forum] Richard III’s resting place
2013-01-11 12:34:47
I always tell my nieces "it's better to aim high and miss than aim low and be on target"
From: Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@...>
To:
Sent: Friday, 11 January 2013, 10:28
Subject: Re: Richard III's resting place
My mother was fond of saying 'Aim for the treetops and you'll only reach the lower branches. Aim for the stars and you'll get to the treetops.'
Paul
Richard Liveth Yet!
On 11 Jan 2013, at 01:26, Judy Thomson wrote:
> As Daniel Burnham, who "designed" Chicago after the Great Fire, said: "Make no small plans." :-)
>
> Judy
>
> Loyaulte me lie
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Richard Yahoo <bandyoi@...>
> To: "" <>
> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 4:59 PM
> Subject: Re: Richard III's resting place
>
>
>
> Judy, if you dream it's good to dream big:D!!
>
> Ishita Bandyo
> www.ishitabandyo.com
> www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
> www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
>
> On Jan 10, 2013, at 5:49 PM, Judy Thomson judygerard.thomson@...> wrote:
>
>> That much, eh? Well, of all the projects they might fund, this seems the one the Society would be best remembered for.
>>
>> Indeed, we already have a preliminary memorial brass in the prototype designed by Geoffrey Wheeler. With a few modifications (and additional detail, especially when there's a facial reconstruction available), this would be quite beautiful, full-sized atop a base. White Carrara marble was my original "vision," with bas relief scenes on the long sides, canopied within Gothic tracery arches.
>>
>> Judy,
>> who dreamed about this in 2011....
>>
>> Loyaulte me lie
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
Richard Liveth Yet!
------------------------------------
Yahoo! Groups Links
From: Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@...>
To:
Sent: Friday, 11 January 2013, 10:28
Subject: Re: Richard III's resting place
My mother was fond of saying 'Aim for the treetops and you'll only reach the lower branches. Aim for the stars and you'll get to the treetops.'
Paul
Richard Liveth Yet!
On 11 Jan 2013, at 01:26, Judy Thomson wrote:
> As Daniel Burnham, who "designed" Chicago after the Great Fire, said: "Make no small plans." :-)
>
> Judy
>
> Loyaulte me lie
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Richard Yahoo <bandyoi@...>
> To: "" <>
> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 4:59 PM
> Subject: Re: Richard III's resting place
>
>
>
> Judy, if you dream it's good to dream big:D!!
>
> Ishita Bandyo
> www.ishitabandyo.com
> www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
> www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
>
> On Jan 10, 2013, at 5:49 PM, Judy Thomson judygerard.thomson@...> wrote:
>
>> That much, eh? Well, of all the projects they might fund, this seems the one the Society would be best remembered for.
>>
>> Indeed, we already have a preliminary memorial brass in the prototype designed by Geoffrey Wheeler. With a few modifications (and additional detail, especially when there's a facial reconstruction available), this would be quite beautiful, full-sized atop a base. White Carrara marble was my original "vision," with bas relief scenes on the long sides, canopied within Gothic tracery arches.
>>
>> Judy,
>> who dreamed about this in 2011....
>>
>> Loyaulte me lie
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
Richard Liveth Yet!
------------------------------------
Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: Richard III's resting place
2013-01-12 15:26:51
http://www.r3.org/travel/tewkes/bones.html
I`d contribute to an appropriate tomb for Richard III. Maybe with an effigy?
The above link shows his Brother George's situation. Does anyone feel that this should be changed?
--- In , "George Butterfield" wrote:
>
> Though I would agree to contribute, I find it incredulous that HMG would not rise to this occasion and find funds ( perhaps from the privy purse ;-0 )
> George
> But let's wait till "He who cannot be named" is!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of Jacqueline Harvey
> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 1:58 PM
> To: Richard III forum
> Subject: RE: Richard III’s resting place
>
>
> Me too, and it would be nice to be invited to his funeral/reburial as well.
> Do you think that will happen??
> Jacq
>
> To:
> From: asphodellynwormwood@...
> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 18:51:24 +0000
> Subject: Re: Richard III’s resting place
>
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> If it comes down to needing individual pledges to guarantee a
>
> suitable tomb, I would find the means to contribute. Anything for
>
> Richard III.
>
>
>
> Linda
>
> --- In , liz williams wrote:
>
> >
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> > Yes I'd pledge £100 too if necessary.
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>
> >
>
> > ________________________________
>
> > From: Judy Thomson
>
> > To: ""
>
> > Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 18:42
>
> > Subject: Re: Richard III’s resting
>
> place
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > I'll contact Philippa. As broke as I am, I personally pledge L100, if
>
> necessary. Who among you will match me? This is a once-in-a-lifetime
>
> event....
>
> >
>
> > Judy
>
> >
>
> > Loyaulte me lie
>
> >
>
> > ________________________________
>
> > From: liz williams mailto:ferrymansdaughter%40btinternet.com>
>
> > To: "mailto:%40yahoogroups.com"
>
> mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
>
> > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 12:35 PM
>
> > Subject: Re: Richard III’s resting
>
> place
>
>
>
> > Totally agree. This sounds awful. I thought he would have a proper
>
> tomb and I will contribute if necessary!
>
> >
>
> > Liz
>
> >
>
> > ________________________________
>
> > From: C HOLMES mailto:christineholmes651%40btinternet.com>
>
> > To:
>
> "mailto:%40yahoogroups.commailto:richardiiisociety\
>
> forum%40yahoogroups.com>
>
> > Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 16:16
>
> > Subject: Re: Richard III’s resting
>
> place
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Hi.
>
> > Certainly not. Richard must be given a proper burial and not put out
>
> for all to see.
>
> > please have some respect for him.
>
> > Loyaulte me Lie
>
> > Christine
>
> >
>
> > ________________________________
>
> > From: vermeertwo mailto:hi.dung%40yahoo.com>
>
> > To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
>
> > Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 15:31
>
> > Subject: Richard III’s resting
>
> place
>
>
>
> > Richard's bones have apparently been kept in a safe when not
>
> undergoing examination. I spoke to someone in Leicester cathedral
>
> recently; they fully expect to receive the remains of Richard III, but
>
> are not happy about the burial of these under the existing flagstone
>
> commemorating Richard. I suggested that the bones be put in a glass
>
> container in the cathedral, like his brother George, in the crypt of
>
> Tewkesbury Abbey.
>
> >
>
>
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>
>
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>
>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
I`d contribute to an appropriate tomb for Richard III. Maybe with an effigy?
The above link shows his Brother George's situation. Does anyone feel that this should be changed?
--- In , "George Butterfield" wrote:
>
> Though I would agree to contribute, I find it incredulous that HMG would not rise to this occasion and find funds ( perhaps from the privy purse ;-0 )
> George
> But let's wait till "He who cannot be named" is!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of Jacqueline Harvey
> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 1:58 PM
> To: Richard III forum
> Subject: RE: Richard III’s resting place
>
>
> Me too, and it would be nice to be invited to his funeral/reburial as well.
> Do you think that will happen??
> Jacq
>
> To:
> From: asphodellynwormwood@...
> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 18:51:24 +0000
> Subject: Re: Richard III’s resting place
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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> If it comes down to needing individual pledges to guarantee a
>
> suitable tomb, I would find the means to contribute. Anything for
>
> Richard III.
>
>
>
> Linda
>
> --- In , liz williams wrote:
>
> >
>
> > Yes I'd pledge £100 too if necessary.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > ________________________________
>
> > From: Judy Thomson
>
> > To: ""
>
> > Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 18:42
>
> > Subject: Re: Richard III’s resting
>
> place
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > I'll contact Philippa. As broke as I am, I personally pledge L100, if
>
> necessary. Who among you will match me? This is a once-in-a-lifetime
>
> event....
>
> >
>
> > Judy
>
> >
>
> > Loyaulte me lie
>
> >
>
> > ________________________________
>
> > From: liz williams mailto:ferrymansdaughter%40btinternet.com>
>
> > To: "mailto:%40yahoogroups.com"
>
> mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
>
> > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 12:35 PM
>
> > Subject: Re: Richard III’s resting
>
> place
>
>
>
> > Totally agree. This sounds awful. I thought he would have a proper
>
> tomb and I will contribute if necessary!
>
> >
>
> > Liz
>
> >
>
> > ________________________________
>
> > From: C HOLMES mailto:christineholmes651%40btinternet.com>
>
> > To:
>
> "mailto:%40yahoogroups.commailto:richardiiisociety\
>
> forum%40yahoogroups.com>
>
> > Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 16:16
>
> > Subject: Re: Richard III’s resting
>
> place
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Hi.
>
> > Certainly not. Richard must be given a proper burial and not put out
>
> for all to see.
>
> > please have some respect for him.
>
> > Loyaulte me Lie
>
> > Christine
>
> >
>
> > ________________________________
>
> > From: vermeertwo mailto:hi.dung%40yahoo.com>
>
> > To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
>
> > Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 15:31
>
> > Subject: Richard III’s resting
>
> place
>
>
>
> > Richard's bones have apparently been kept in a safe when not
>
> undergoing examination. I spoke to someone in Leicester cathedral
>
> recently; they fully expect to receive the remains of Richard III, but
>
> are not happy about the burial of these under the existing flagstone
>
> commemorating Richard. I suggested that the bones be put in a glass
>
> container in the cathedral, like his brother George, in the crypt of
>
> Tewkesbury Abbey.
>
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
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>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
Re: Richard III's resting place
2013-01-12 16:49:10
I'm far from a fan of Clarence but I really think there could be something much beter than this. It just looks like they've been shoved in a box.
________________________________
From: vermeertwo <hi.dung@...>
To:
Sent: Saturday, 12 January 2013, 15:26
Subject: Re: Richard III's resting place
http://www.r3.org/travel/tewkes/bones.html
I`d contribute to an appropriate tomb for Richard III. Maybe with an effigy?
The above link shows his Brother George's situation. Does anyone feel that this should be changed?
--- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, "George Butterfield" wrote:
>
> Though I would agree to contribute, I find it incredulous that HMG would not rise to this occasion and find funds ( perhaps from the privy purse ;-0 )
> George
> But let's wait till "He who cannot be named" is!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailto:%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jacqueline Harvey
> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 1:58 PM
> To: Richard III forum
> Subject: RE: Richard IIIââ¬â ¢s resting place
>
>
> Me too, and it would be nice to be invited to his funeral/reburial as well.
> Do you think that will happen??
> Jacq
>
> To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> From: asphodellynwormwood@...
> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 18:51:24 +0000
> Subject: Re: Richard IIIââ¬â ¢s resting place
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> If it comes down to needing individual pledges to guarantee a
>
> suitable tomb, I would find the means to contribute. Anything for
>
> Richard III.
>
>
>
> Linda
>
> --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, liz williams wrote:
>
> >
>
> > Yes I'd pledge £100 too if necessary.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > ________________________________
>
> > From: Judy Thomson
>
> > To: "mailto:%40yahoogroups.com"
>
> > Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 18:42
>
> > Subject: Re: Richard IIIââ¬â ¢s resting
>
> place
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > I'll contact Philippa. As broke as I am, I personally pledge L100, if
>
> necessary. Who among you will match me? This is a once-in-a-lifetime
>
> event....
>
> >
>
> > Judy
>
> >
>
> > Loyaulte me lie
>
> >
>
> > ________________________________
>
> > From: liz williams mailto:ferrymansdaughter%40btinternet.com>
>
> > To: "mailto:%40yahoogroups.com"
>
> mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
>
> > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 12:35 PM
>
> > Subject: Re: Richard IIIââ¬â ¢s resting
>
> place
>
>
>
> > Totally agree. This sounds awful. I thought he would have a proper
>
> tomb and I will contribute if necessary!
>
> >
>
> > Liz
>
> >
>
> > ________________________________
>
> > From: C HOLMES mailto:christineholmes651%40btinternet.com>
>
> > To:
>
> "mailto:%40yahoogroups.commailto:richardiiisociety\
>
> forum%40yahoogroups.com>
>
> > Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 16:16
>
> > Subject: Re: Richard IIIââ¬â ¢s resting
>
> place
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Hi.
>
> > Certainly not. Richard must be given a proper burial and not put out
>
> for all to see.
>
> > please have some respect for him.
>
> > Loyaulte me Lie
>
> > Christine
>
> >
>
> > ________________________________
>
> > From: vermeertwo mailto:hi.dung%40yahoo.com>
>
> > To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
>
> > Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 15:31
>
> > Subject: Richard IIIââ¬â ¢s resting
>
> place
>
>
>
> > Richard's bones have apparently been kept in a safe when not
>
> undergoing examination. I spoke to someone in Leicester cathedral
>
> recently; they fully expect to receive the remains of Richard III, but
>
> are not happy about the burial of these under the existing flagstone
>
> commemorating Richard. I suggested that the bones be put in a glass
>
> container in the cathedral, like his brother George, in the crypt of
>
> Tewkesbury Abbey.
>
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
________________________________
From: vermeertwo <hi.dung@...>
To:
Sent: Saturday, 12 January 2013, 15:26
Subject: Re: Richard III's resting place
http://www.r3.org/travel/tewkes/bones.html
I`d contribute to an appropriate tomb for Richard III. Maybe with an effigy?
The above link shows his Brother George's situation. Does anyone feel that this should be changed?
--- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, "George Butterfield" wrote:
>
> Though I would agree to contribute, I find it incredulous that HMG would not rise to this occasion and find funds ( perhaps from the privy purse ;-0 )
> George
> But let's wait till "He who cannot be named" is!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailto:%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jacqueline Harvey
> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 1:58 PM
> To: Richard III forum
> Subject: RE: Richard IIIââ¬â ¢s resting place
>
>
> Me too, and it would be nice to be invited to his funeral/reburial as well.
> Do you think that will happen??
> Jacq
>
> To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> From: asphodellynwormwood@...
> Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 18:51:24 +0000
> Subject: Re: Richard IIIââ¬â ¢s resting place
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> If it comes down to needing individual pledges to guarantee a
>
> suitable tomb, I would find the means to contribute. Anything for
>
> Richard III.
>
>
>
> Linda
>
> --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, liz williams wrote:
>
> >
>
> > Yes I'd pledge £100 too if necessary.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > ________________________________
>
> > From: Judy Thomson
>
> > To: "mailto:%40yahoogroups.com"
>
> > Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 18:42
>
> > Subject: Re: Richard IIIââ¬â ¢s resting
>
> place
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > I'll contact Philippa. As broke as I am, I personally pledge L100, if
>
> necessary. Who among you will match me? This is a once-in-a-lifetime
>
> event....
>
> >
>
> > Judy
>
> >
>
> > Loyaulte me lie
>
> >
>
> > ________________________________
>
> > From: liz williams mailto:ferrymansdaughter%40btinternet.com>
>
> > To: "mailto:%40yahoogroups.com"
>
> mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
>
> > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 12:35 PM
>
> > Subject: Re: Richard IIIââ¬â ¢s resting
>
> place
>
>
>
> > Totally agree. This sounds awful. I thought he would have a proper
>
> tomb and I will contribute if necessary!
>
> >
>
> > Liz
>
> >
>
> > ________________________________
>
> > From: C HOLMES mailto:christineholmes651%40btinternet.com>
>
> > To:
>
> "mailto:%40yahoogroups.commailto:richardiiisociety\
>
> forum%40yahoogroups.com>
>
> > Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 16:16
>
> > Subject: Re: Richard IIIââ¬â ¢s resting
>
> place
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Hi.
>
> > Certainly not. Richard must be given a proper burial and not put out
>
> for all to see.
>
> > please have some respect for him.
>
> > Loyaulte me Lie
>
> > Christine
>
> >
>
> > ________________________________
>
> > From: vermeertwo mailto:hi.dung%40yahoo.com>
>
> > To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
>
> > Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 15:31
>
> > Subject: Richard IIIââ¬â ¢s resting
>
> place
>
>
>
> > Richard's bones have apparently been kept in a safe when not
>
> undergoing examination. I spoke to someone in Leicester cathedral
>
> recently; they fully expect to receive the remains of Richard III, but
>
> are not happy about the burial of these under the existing flagstone
>
> commemorating Richard. I suggested that the bones be put in a glass
>
> container in the cathedral, like his brother George, in the crypt of
>
> Tewkesbury Abbey.
>
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
Re: Richard III's resting place
2013-01-12 17:50:33
Whatever their brother's "sins," I doubt either Richard or Edward would have wanted this for George.
And then there's Isabel, who deserves better than this no matter what her husband was guilty of. I'm surprised Warwick isn't haunting Tewkesbury, demanding better for his daughter.
Was it at some point a common practice to disturb noble bones and shove them into glass boxes? "No tomb, no burial"? If no one in the family is left to care, then no one cares?
~Weds
--- In , "vermeertwo" wrote:
>
> http://www.r3.org/travel/tewkes/bones.html
>
>
> I`d contribute to an appropriate tomb for Richard III. Maybe with an effigy?
>
> The above link shows his Brother George's situation. Does anyone feel that this should be changed?
And then there's Isabel, who deserves better than this no matter what her husband was guilty of. I'm surprised Warwick isn't haunting Tewkesbury, demanding better for his daughter.
Was it at some point a common practice to disturb noble bones and shove them into glass boxes? "No tomb, no burial"? If no one in the family is left to care, then no one cares?
~Weds
--- In , "vermeertwo" wrote:
>
> http://www.r3.org/travel/tewkes/bones.html
>
>
> I`d contribute to an appropriate tomb for Richard III. Maybe with an effigy?
>
> The above link shows his Brother George's situation. Does anyone feel that this should be changed?
Re: Richard III's resting place/Clarence and Isobel
2013-01-12 18:47:13
Liz what happened was, according to Mark Duffy "Royal Tombs of Medieval England"...The vault which measure 9' by 8' was opened in the 18thc on at least 3 occasions for the burial of a local alderman, Samuel Hawlings (d.1709) and later on his wife and son...yes I know..what a cheek!. In 1826 the vault was opened again and found to contain the Hawlings' coffins together with two skulls and other bones lying in the north west corner. At that point the vault was covered by a large flat blue slab bearing evident markings of once having been inlaid with brass. In 1829 the Hawlings' coffins were removed...well done...and the remaining bones placed in a stone coffin that had been unearthed between the Trinity Chapel and the vestry in 1775. In 1876 the vault was opened again and the coffin found to be flooded. The bones were later placed in the glass cabinet which they are still in today....
Thus it would appear the bones are the Clarences' remains at least although what became of their original coffins is lost in the mist of time. I dont think in this day and age they would be placed in the glass container......Its so inappropriate...Eileen
On 12 Jan 2013, at 16:49, liz williams wrote:
> I'm far from a fan of Clarence but I really think there could be something much beter than this. It just looks like they've been shoved in a box.
>
> ________________________________
> From: vermeertwo hi.dung@...>
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, 12 January 2013, 15:26
> Subject: Re: Richard III's resting place
>
>
> http://www.r3.org/travel/tewkes/bones.html
>
> I`d contribute to an appropriate tomb for Richard III. Maybe with an effigy?
>
> The above link shows his Brother George's situation. Does anyone feel that this should be changed?
>
> --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, "George Butterfield" wrote:
> >
> > Though I would agree to contribute, I find it incredulous that HMG would not rise to this occasion and find funds ( perhaps from the privy purse ;-0 )
> > George
> > But let's wait till "He who cannot be named" is!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailto:%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jacqueline Harvey
> > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 1:58 PM
> > To: Richard III forum
> > Subject: RE: Richard IIIýýýýýýýýs resting place
> >
> >
> > Me too, and it would be nice to be invited to his funeral/reburial as well.
> > Do you think that will happen??
> > Jacq
> >
> > To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> > From: asphodellynwormwood@...
> > Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 18:51:24 +0000
> > Subject: Re: Richard IIIýýýýýýýýs resting place
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > If it comes down to needing individual pledges to guarantee a
> >
> > suitable tomb, I would find the means to contribute. Anything for
> >
> > Richard III.
> >
> >
> >
> > Linda
> >
> > --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, liz williams wrote:
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Yes I'd pledge ýý100 too if necessary.
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > ________________________________
> >
> > > From: Judy Thomson
> >
> > > To: "mailto:%40yahoogroups.com"
> >
> > > Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 18:42
> >
> > > Subject: Re: Richard IIIýýýýýýýýs resting
> >
> > place
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > I'll contact Philippa. As broke as I am, I personally pledge L100, if
> >
> > necessary. Who among you will match me? This is a once-in-a-lifetime
> >
> > event....
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Judy
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Loyaulte me lie
> >
> > >
> >
> > > ________________________________
> >
> > > From: liz williams mailto:ferrymansdaughter%40btinternet.com>
> >
> > > To: "mailto:%40yahoogroups.com"
> >
> > mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> >
> > > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 12:35 PM
> >
> > > Subject: Re: Richard IIIýýýýýýýýs resting
> >
> > place
> >
> >
> >
> > > Totally agree. This sounds awful. I thought he would have a proper
> >
> > tomb and I will contribute if necessary!
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Liz
> >
> > >
> >
> > > ________________________________
> >
> > > From: C HOLMES mailto:christineholmes651%40btinternet.com>
> >
> > > To:
> >
> > "mailto:%40yahoogroups.commailto:richardiiisociety\
> >
> > forum%40yahoogroups.com>
> >
> > > Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 16:16
> >
> > > Subject: Re: Richard IIIýýýýýýýýs resting
> >
> > place
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Hi.
> >
> > > Certainly not. Richard must be given a proper burial and not put out
> >
> > for all to see.
> >
> > > please have some respect for him.
> >
> > > Loyaulte me Lie
> >
> > > Christine
> >
> > >
> >
> > > ________________________________
> >
> > > From: vermeertwo mailto:hi.dung%40yahoo.com>
> >
> > > To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> >
> > > Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 15:31
> >
> > > Subject: Richard IIIýýýýýýýýs resting
> >
> > place
> >
> >
> >
> > > Richard's bones have apparently been kept in a safe when not
> >
> > undergoing examination. I spoke to someone in Leicester cathedral
> >
> > recently; they fully expect to receive the remains of Richard III, but
> >
> > are not happy about the burial of these under the existing flagstone
> >
> > commemorating Richard. I suggested that the bones be put in a glass
> >
> > container in the cathedral, like his brother George, in the crypt of
> >
> > Tewkesbury Abbey.
> >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
>
>
>
>
Thus it would appear the bones are the Clarences' remains at least although what became of their original coffins is lost in the mist of time. I dont think in this day and age they would be placed in the glass container......Its so inappropriate...Eileen
On 12 Jan 2013, at 16:49, liz williams wrote:
> I'm far from a fan of Clarence but I really think there could be something much beter than this. It just looks like they've been shoved in a box.
>
> ________________________________
> From: vermeertwo hi.dung@...>
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, 12 January 2013, 15:26
> Subject: Re: Richard III's resting place
>
>
> http://www.r3.org/travel/tewkes/bones.html
>
> I`d contribute to an appropriate tomb for Richard III. Maybe with an effigy?
>
> The above link shows his Brother George's situation. Does anyone feel that this should be changed?
>
> --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, "George Butterfield" wrote:
> >
> > Though I would agree to contribute, I find it incredulous that HMG would not rise to this occasion and find funds ( perhaps from the privy purse ;-0 )
> > George
> > But let's wait till "He who cannot be named" is!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailto:%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jacqueline Harvey
> > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 1:58 PM
> > To: Richard III forum
> > Subject: RE: Richard IIIýýýýýýýýs resting place
> >
> >
> > Me too, and it would be nice to be invited to his funeral/reburial as well.
> > Do you think that will happen??
> > Jacq
> >
> > To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> > From: asphodellynwormwood@...
> > Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 18:51:24 +0000
> > Subject: Re: Richard IIIýýýýýýýýs resting place
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> > If it comes down to needing individual pledges to guarantee a
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> > suitable tomb, I would find the means to contribute. Anything for
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> > Richard III.
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> >
> >
> > Linda
> >
> > --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, liz williams wrote:
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> > > Yes I'd pledge ýý100 too if necessary.
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> > >
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> > >
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> > > ________________________________
> >
> > > From: Judy Thomson
> >
> > > To: "mailto:%40yahoogroups.com"
> >
> > > Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 18:42
> >
> > > Subject: Re: Richard IIIýýýýýýýýs resting
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> > place
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> > >
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> > >
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> > > I'll contact Philippa. As broke as I am, I personally pledge L100, if
> >
> > necessary. Who among you will match me? This is a once-in-a-lifetime
> >
> > event....
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Judy
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Loyaulte me lie
> >
> > >
> >
> > > ________________________________
> >
> > > From: liz williams mailto:ferrymansdaughter%40btinternet.com>
> >
> > > To: "mailto:%40yahoogroups.com"
> >
> > mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> >
> > > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 12:35 PM
> >
> > > Subject: Re: Richard IIIýýýýýýýýs resting
> >
> > place
> >
> >
> >
> > > Totally agree. This sounds awful. I thought he would have a proper
> >
> > tomb and I will contribute if necessary!
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Liz
> >
> > >
> >
> > > ________________________________
> >
> > > From: C HOLMES mailto:christineholmes651%40btinternet.com>
> >
> > > To:
> >
> > "mailto:%40yahoogroups.commailto:richardiiisociety\
> >
> > forum%40yahoogroups.com>
> >
> > > Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 16:16
> >
> > > Subject: Re: Richard IIIýýýýýýýýs resting
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> > place
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> > > Hi.
> >
> > > Certainly not. Richard must be given a proper burial and not put out
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> > for all to see.
> >
> > > please have some respect for him.
> >
> > > Loyaulte me Lie
> >
> > > Christine
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> > >
> >
> > > ________________________________
> >
> > > From: vermeertwo mailto:hi.dung%40yahoo.com>
> >
> > > To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> >
> > > Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 15:31
> >
> > > Subject: Richard IIIýýýýýýýýs resting
> >
> > place
> >
> >
> >
> > > Richard's bones have apparently been kept in a safe when not
> >
> > undergoing examination. I spoke to someone in Leicester cathedral
> >
> > recently; they fully expect to receive the remains of Richard III, but
> >
> > are not happy about the burial of these under the existing flagstone
> >
> > commemorating Richard. I suggested that the bones be put in a glass
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> > container in the cathedral, like his brother George, in the crypt of
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> > Tewkesbury Abbey.
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> > Yahoo! Groups Links
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Re: Richard III's resting place/Clarence and Isobel
2013-01-12 21:59:26
Thanks Eileen. It's very interesting
________________________________
From: eileen bates <eileenbates147@...>
To:
Sent: Saturday, 12 January 2013, 18:47
Subject: Re: Re: Richard III's resting place/Clarence and Isobel
Liz what happened was, according to Mark Duffy "Royal Tombs of Medieval England"...The vault which measure 9' by 8' was opened in the 18thc on at least 3 occasions for the burial of a local alderman, Samuel Hawlings (d.1709) and later on his wife and son...yes I know..what a cheek!. In 1826 the vault was opened again and found to contain the Hawlings' coffins together with two skulls and other bones lying in the north west corner. At that point the vault was covered by a large flat blue slab bearing evident markings of once having been inlaid with brass. In 1829 the Hawlings' coffins were removed...well done...and the remaining bones placed in a stone coffin that had been unearthed between the Trinity Chapel and the vestry in 1775. In 1876 the vault was opened again and the coffin found to be flooded. The bones were later placed in the glass cabinet which they are still in today....
Thus it would appear the bones are the Clarences' remains at least although what became of their original coffins is lost in the mist of time. I dont think in this day and age they would be placed in the glass container......Its so inappropriate...Eileen
On 12 Jan 2013, at 16:49, liz williams wrote:
> I'm far from a fan of Clarence but I really think there could be something much beter than this. It just looks like they've been shoved in a box.
>
> ________________________________
> From: vermeertwo hi.dung@...>
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, 12 January 2013, 15:26
> Subject: Re: Richard III's resting place
>
>
> http://www.r3.org/travel/tewkes/bones.html
>
> I`d contribute to an appropriate tomb for Richard III. Maybe with an effigy?
>
> The above link shows his Brother George's situation. Does anyone feel that this should be changed?
>
> --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, "George Butterfield" wrote:
> >
> > Though I would agree to contribute, I find it incredulous that HMG would not rise to this occasion and find funds ( perhaps from the privy purse ;-0 )
> > George
> > But let's wait till "He who cannot be named" is!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailto:%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jacqueline Harvey
> > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 1:58 PM
> > To: Richard III forum
> > Subject: RE: Richard IIIâ¬"s resting place
> >
> >
> > Me too, and it would be nice to be invited to his funeral/reburial as well.
> > Do you think that will happen??
> > Jacq
> >
> > To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> > From: asphodellynwormwood@...
> > Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 18:51:24 +0000
> > Subject: Re: Richard IIIâ¬"s resting place
> >
> >
> >
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> > If it comes down to needing individual pledges to guarantee a
> >
> > suitable tomb, I would find the means to contribute. Anything for
> >
> > Richard III.
> >
> >
> >
> > Linda
> >
> > --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, liz williams wrote:
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Yes I'd pledge £100 too if necessary.
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > ________________________________
> >
> > > From: Judy Thomson
> >
> > > To: "mailto:%40yahoogroups.com"
> >
> > > Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 18:42
> >
> > > Subject: Re: Richard IIIâ¬"s resting
> >
> > place
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > I'll contact Philippa. As broke as I am, I personally pledge L100, if
> >
> > necessary. Who among you will match me? This is a once-in-a-lifetime
> >
> > event....
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Judy
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Loyaulte me lie
> >
> > >
> >
> > > ________________________________
> >
> > > From: liz williams mailto:ferrymansdaughter%40btinternet.com>
> >
> > > To: "mailto:%40yahoogroups.com"
> >
> > mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> >
> > > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 12:35 PM
> >
> > > Subject: Re: Richard IIIâ¬"s resting
> >
> > place
> >
> >
> >
> > > Totally agree. This sounds awful. I thought he would have a proper
> >
> > tomb and I will contribute if necessary!
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Liz
> >
> > >
> >
> > > ________________________________
> >
> > > From: C HOLMES mailto:christineholmes651%40btinternet.com>
> >
> > > To:
> >
> > "mailto:%40yahoogroups.commailto:richardiiisociety\
> >
> > forum%40yahoogroups.com>
> >
> > > Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 16:16
> >
> > > Subject: Re: Richard IIIâ¬"s resting
> >
> > place
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Hi.
> >
> > > Certainly not. Richard must be given a proper burial and not put out
> >
> > for all to see.
> >
> > > please have some respect for him.
> >
> > > Loyaulte me Lie
> >
> > > Christine
> >
> > >
> >
> > > ________________________________
> >
> > > From: vermeertwo mailto:hi.dung%40yahoo.com>
> >
> > > To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> >
> > > Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 15:31
> >
> > > Subject: Richard IIIâ¬"s resting
> >
> > place
> >
> >
> >
> > > Richard's bones have apparently been kept in a safe when not
> >
> > undergoing examination. I spoke to someone in Leicester cathedral
> >
> > recently; they fully expect to receive the remains of Richard III, but
> >
> > are not happy about the burial of these under the existing flagstone
> >
> > commemorating Richard. I suggested that the bones be put in a glass
> >
> > container in the cathedral, like his brother George, in the crypt of
> >
> > Tewkesbury Abbey.
> >
> > >
> >
> >
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> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
>
>
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>
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Yahoo! Groups Links
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From: eileen bates <eileenbates147@...>
To:
Sent: Saturday, 12 January 2013, 18:47
Subject: Re: Re: Richard III's resting place/Clarence and Isobel
Liz what happened was, according to Mark Duffy "Royal Tombs of Medieval England"...The vault which measure 9' by 8' was opened in the 18thc on at least 3 occasions for the burial of a local alderman, Samuel Hawlings (d.1709) and later on his wife and son...yes I know..what a cheek!. In 1826 the vault was opened again and found to contain the Hawlings' coffins together with two skulls and other bones lying in the north west corner. At that point the vault was covered by a large flat blue slab bearing evident markings of once having been inlaid with brass. In 1829 the Hawlings' coffins were removed...well done...and the remaining bones placed in a stone coffin that had been unearthed between the Trinity Chapel and the vestry in 1775. In 1876 the vault was opened again and the coffin found to be flooded. The bones were later placed in the glass cabinet which they are still in today....
Thus it would appear the bones are the Clarences' remains at least although what became of their original coffins is lost in the mist of time. I dont think in this day and age they would be placed in the glass container......Its so inappropriate...Eileen
On 12 Jan 2013, at 16:49, liz williams wrote:
> I'm far from a fan of Clarence but I really think there could be something much beter than this. It just looks like they've been shoved in a box.
>
> ________________________________
> From: vermeertwo hi.dung@...>
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, 12 January 2013, 15:26
> Subject: Re: Richard III's resting place
>
>
> http://www.r3.org/travel/tewkes/bones.html
>
> I`d contribute to an appropriate tomb for Richard III. Maybe with an effigy?
>
> The above link shows his Brother George's situation. Does anyone feel that this should be changed?
>
> --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, "George Butterfield" wrote:
> >
> > Though I would agree to contribute, I find it incredulous that HMG would not rise to this occasion and find funds ( perhaps from the privy purse ;-0 )
> > George
> > But let's wait till "He who cannot be named" is!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailto:%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jacqueline Harvey
> > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 1:58 PM
> > To: Richard III forum
> > Subject: RE: Richard IIIâ¬"s resting place
> >
> >
> > Me too, and it would be nice to be invited to his funeral/reburial as well.
> > Do you think that will happen??
> > Jacq
> >
> > To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> > From: asphodellynwormwood@...
> > Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 18:51:24 +0000
> > Subject: Re: Richard IIIâ¬"s resting place
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> > If it comes down to needing individual pledges to guarantee a
> >
> > suitable tomb, I would find the means to contribute. Anything for
> >
> > Richard III.
> >
> >
> >
> > Linda
> >
> > --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, liz williams wrote:
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Yes I'd pledge £100 too if necessary.
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > ________________________________
> >
> > > From: Judy Thomson
> >
> > > To: "mailto:%40yahoogroups.com"
> >
> > > Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 18:42
> >
> > > Subject: Re: Richard IIIâ¬"s resting
> >
> > place
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > I'll contact Philippa. As broke as I am, I personally pledge L100, if
> >
> > necessary. Who among you will match me? This is a once-in-a-lifetime
> >
> > event....
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Judy
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Loyaulte me lie
> >
> > >
> >
> > > ________________________________
> >
> > > From: liz williams mailto:ferrymansdaughter%40btinternet.com>
> >
> > > To: "mailto:%40yahoogroups.com"
> >
> > mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> >
> > > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 12:35 PM
> >
> > > Subject: Re: Richard IIIâ¬"s resting
> >
> > place
> >
> >
> >
> > > Totally agree. This sounds awful. I thought he would have a proper
> >
> > tomb and I will contribute if necessary!
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Liz
> >
> > >
> >
> > > ________________________________
> >
> > > From: C HOLMES mailto:christineholmes651%40btinternet.com>
> >
> > > To:
> >
> > "mailto:%40yahoogroups.commailto:richardiiisociety\
> >
> > forum%40yahoogroups.com>
> >
> > > Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 16:16
> >
> > > Subject: Re: Richard IIIâ¬"s resting
> >
> > place
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> > > Hi.
> >
> > > Certainly not. Richard must be given a proper burial and not put out
> >
> > for all to see.
> >
> > > please have some respect for him.
> >
> > > Loyaulte me Lie
> >
> > > Christine
> >
> > >
> >
> > > ________________________________
> >
> > > From: vermeertwo mailto:hi.dung%40yahoo.com>
> >
> > > To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> >
> > > Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 15:31
> >
> > > Subject: Richard IIIâ¬"s resting
> >
> > place
> >
> >
> >
> > > Richard's bones have apparently been kept in a safe when not
> >
> > undergoing examination. I spoke to someone in Leicester cathedral
> >
> > recently; they fully expect to receive the remains of Richard III, but
> >
> > are not happy about the burial of these under the existing flagstone
> >
> > commemorating Richard. I suggested that the bones be put in a glass
> >
> > container in the cathedral, like his brother George, in the crypt of
> >
> > Tewkesbury Abbey.
> >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
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> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
>
>
>
>
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Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: Richard III's resting place/Clarence and Isobel
2013-01-13 15:23:29
Hi all,
I'm surprised Dorothea hasn't come in on this one. She wrote a piece for the Rii NSW site where she quotes what Eileen says, but says the bones were examined later and (to summarise) were too old, and in Clarence's case (two small in height only 5ft 3) to be those of either of them.
She surmises that the could be those of the Countess (of the right age at death) and Warwick (moved from Bisham during the Reformation?).
A v good article well worth reading. Hilary
--- In , liz williams wrote:
>
> Thanks Eileen. It's very interesting
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: eileen bates
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, 12 January 2013, 18:47
> Subject: Re: Re: Richard III's resting place/Clarence and Isobel
>
> Liz what happened was, according to Mark Duffy "Royal Tombs of Medieval England"...The vault which measure 9' by 8' was opened in the 18thc on at least 3 occasions for the burial of a local alderman, Samuel Hawlings (d.1709) and later on his wife and son...yes I know..what a cheek!. In 1826 the vault was opened again and found to contain the Hawlings' coffins together with two skulls and other bones lying in the north west corner. At that point the vault was covered by a large flat blue slab bearing evident markings of once having been inlaid with brass. In 1829 the Hawlings' coffins were removed...well done...and the remaining bones placed in a stone coffin that had been unearthed between the Trinity Chapel and the vestry in 1775. In 1876 the vault was opened again and the coffin found to be flooded. The bones were later placed in the glass cabinet which they are still in today....
>
> Thus it would appear the bones are the Clarences' remains at least although what became of their original coffins is lost in the mist of time. I dont think in this day and age they would be placed in the glass container......Its so inappropriate...Eileen
> On 12 Jan 2013, at 16:49, liz williams wrote:
>
> > I'm far from a fan of Clarence but I really think there could be something much beter than this.  It just looks like they've been shoved in a box.
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: vermeertwo hi.dung@...>
> > To:
> > Sent: Saturday, 12 January 2013, 15:26
> > Subject: Re: Richard III's resting place
> >
> >Â
> > http://www.r3.org/travel/tewkes/bones.html
> >
> > I`d contribute to an appropriate tomb for Richard III. Maybe with an effigy?
> >
> > The above link shows his Brother George's situation. Does anyone feel that this should be changed?
> >
> > --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, "George Butterfield" wrote:
> > >
> > > Though I would agree to contribute, I find it incredulous that HMG would not rise to this occasion and find funds ( perhaps from the privy purse ;-0 )
> > > George
> > > But let's wait till "He who cannot be named" is!
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailto:%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jacqueline Harvey
> > > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 1:58 PM
> > > To: Richard III forum
> > > Subject: RE: Richard III’s resting place
> > >
> > >
> > > Me too, and it would be nice to be invited to his funeral/reburial as well.
> > > Do you think that will happen??
> > > Jacq
> > >
> > > To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> > > From: asphodellynwormwood@
> > > Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 18:51:24 +0000
> > > Subject: Re: Richard III’s resting place
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > If it comes down to needing individual pledges to guarantee a
> > >
> > > suitable tomb, I would find the means to contribute. Anything for
> > >
> > > Richard III.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Linda
> > >
> > > --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, liz williams wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Yes I'd pledge £100 too if necessary.
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > ________________________________
> > >
> > > > From: Judy Thomson
> > >
> > > > To: "mailto:%40yahoogroups.com"
> > >
> > > > Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 18:42
> > >
> > > > Subject: Re: Richard III’s resting
> > >
> > > place
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > I'll contact Philippa. As broke as I am, I personally pledge L100, if
> > >
> > > necessary. Who among you will match me? This is a once-in-a-lifetime
> > >
> > > event....
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Judy
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Loyaulte me lie
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > ________________________________
> > >
> > > > From: liz williams mailto:ferrymansdaughter%40btinternet.com>
> > >
> > > > To: "mailto:%40yahoogroups.com"
> > >
> > > mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> > >
> > > > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 12:35 PM
> > >
> > > > Subject: Re: Richard III’s resting
> > >
> > > place
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Totally agree. This sounds awful. I thought he would have a proper
> > >
> > > tomb and I will contribute if necessary!
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Liz
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > ________________________________
> > >
> > > > From: C HOLMES mailto:christineholmes651%40btinternet.com>
> > >
> > > > To:
> > >
> > > "mailto:%40yahoogroups.commailto:richardiiisociety\
> > >
> > > forum%40yahoogroups.com>
> > >
> > > > Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 16:16
> > >
> > > > Subject: Re: Richard III’s resting
> > >
> > > place
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Hi.
> > >
> > > > Certainly not. Richard must be given a proper burial and not put out
> > >
> > > for all to see.
> > >
> > > > please have some respect for him.
> > >
> > > > Loyaulte me Lie
> > >
> > > > Christine
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > ________________________________
> > >
> > > > From: vermeertwo mailto:hi.dung%40yahoo.com>
> > >
> > > > To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> > >
> > > > Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 15:31
> > >
> > > > Subject: Richard III’s resting
> > >
> > > place
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Richard's bones have apparently been kept in a safe when not
> > >
> > > undergoing examination. I spoke to someone in Leicester cathedral
> > >
> > > recently; they fully expect to receive the remains of Richard III, but
> > >
> > > are not happy about the burial of these under the existing flagstone
> > >
> > > commemorating Richard. I suggested that the bones be put in a glass
> > >
> > > container in the cathedral, like his brother George, in the crypt of
> > >
> > > Tewkesbury Abbey.
> > >
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I'm surprised Dorothea hasn't come in on this one. She wrote a piece for the Rii NSW site where she quotes what Eileen says, but says the bones were examined later and (to summarise) were too old, and in Clarence's case (two small in height only 5ft 3) to be those of either of them.
She surmises that the could be those of the Countess (of the right age at death) and Warwick (moved from Bisham during the Reformation?).
A v good article well worth reading. Hilary
--- In , liz williams wrote:
>
> Thanks Eileen. It's very interesting
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: eileen bates
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, 12 January 2013, 18:47
> Subject: Re: Re: Richard III's resting place/Clarence and Isobel
>
> Liz what happened was, according to Mark Duffy "Royal Tombs of Medieval England"...The vault which measure 9' by 8' was opened in the 18thc on at least 3 occasions for the burial of a local alderman, Samuel Hawlings (d.1709) and later on his wife and son...yes I know..what a cheek!. In 1826 the vault was opened again and found to contain the Hawlings' coffins together with two skulls and other bones lying in the north west corner. At that point the vault was covered by a large flat blue slab bearing evident markings of once having been inlaid with brass. In 1829 the Hawlings' coffins were removed...well done...and the remaining bones placed in a stone coffin that had been unearthed between the Trinity Chapel and the vestry in 1775. In 1876 the vault was opened again and the coffin found to be flooded. The bones were later placed in the glass cabinet which they are still in today....
>
> Thus it would appear the bones are the Clarences' remains at least although what became of their original coffins is lost in the mist of time. I dont think in this day and age they would be placed in the glass container......Its so inappropriate...Eileen
> On 12 Jan 2013, at 16:49, liz williams wrote:
>
> > I'm far from a fan of Clarence but I really think there could be something much beter than this.  It just looks like they've been shoved in a box.
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: vermeertwo hi.dung@...>
> > To:
> > Sent: Saturday, 12 January 2013, 15:26
> > Subject: Re: Richard III's resting place
> >
> >Â
> > http://www.r3.org/travel/tewkes/bones.html
> >
> > I`d contribute to an appropriate tomb for Richard III. Maybe with an effigy?
> >
> > The above link shows his Brother George's situation. Does anyone feel that this should be changed?
> >
> > --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, "George Butterfield" wrote:
> > >
> > > Though I would agree to contribute, I find it incredulous that HMG would not rise to this occasion and find funds ( perhaps from the privy purse ;-0 )
> > > George
> > > But let's wait till "He who cannot be named" is!
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailto:%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jacqueline Harvey
> > > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 1:58 PM
> > > To: Richard III forum
> > > Subject: RE: Richard III’s resting place
> > >
> > >
> > > Me too, and it would be nice to be invited to his funeral/reburial as well.
> > > Do you think that will happen??
> > > Jacq
> > >
> > > To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> > > From: asphodellynwormwood@
> > > Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 18:51:24 +0000
> > > Subject: Re: Richard III’s resting place
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > > If it comes down to needing individual pledges to guarantee a
> > >
> > > suitable tomb, I would find the means to contribute. Anything for
> > >
> > > Richard III.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Linda
> > >
> > > --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, liz williams wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Yes I'd pledge £100 too if necessary.
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > ________________________________
> > >
> > > > From: Judy Thomson
> > >
> > > > To: "mailto:%40yahoogroups.com"
> > >
> > > > Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 18:42
> > >
> > > > Subject: Re: Richard III’s resting
> > >
> > > place
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > I'll contact Philippa. As broke as I am, I personally pledge L100, if
> > >
> > > necessary. Who among you will match me? This is a once-in-a-lifetime
> > >
> > > event....
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Judy
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Loyaulte me lie
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > ________________________________
> > >
> > > > From: liz williams mailto:ferrymansdaughter%40btinternet.com>
> > >
> > > > To: "mailto:%40yahoogroups.com"
> > >
> > > mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> > >
> > > > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 12:35 PM
> > >
> > > > Subject: Re: Richard III’s resting
> > >
> > > place
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Totally agree. This sounds awful. I thought he would have a proper
> > >
> > > tomb and I will contribute if necessary!
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Liz
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > ________________________________
> > >
> > > > From: C HOLMES mailto:christineholmes651%40btinternet.com>
> > >
> > > > To:
> > >
> > > "mailto:%40yahoogroups.commailto:richardiiisociety\
> > >
> > > forum%40yahoogroups.com>
> > >
> > > > Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 16:16
> > >
> > > > Subject: Re: Richard III’s resting
> > >
> > > place
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Hi.
> > >
> > > > Certainly not. Richard must be given a proper burial and not put out
> > >
> > > for all to see.
> > >
> > > > please have some respect for him.
> > >
> > > > Loyaulte me Lie
> > >
> > > > Christine
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > ________________________________
> > >
> > > > From: vermeertwo mailto:hi.dung%40yahoo.com>
> > >
> > > > To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> > >
> > > > Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 15:31
> > >
> > > > Subject: Richard III’s resting
> > >
> > > place
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Richard's bones have apparently been kept in a safe when not
> > >
> > > undergoing examination. I spoke to someone in Leicester cathedral
> > >
> > > recently; they fully expect to receive the remains of Richard III, but
> > >
> > > are not happy about the burial of these under the existing flagstone
> > >
> > > commemorating Richard. I suggested that the bones be put in a glass
> > >
> > > container in the cathedral, like his brother George, in the crypt of
> > >
> > > Tewkesbury Abbey.
> > >
> > > >
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: Richard III's resting place/Clarence and Isobel
2013-01-13 16:12:59
I would love to know more about the Tewkesbury bones and the truth about them....If these are not in fact Isobel and Clarence what on earth could have become of their remains? Eileen
On 13 Jan 2013, at 15:23, hjnatdat wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm surprised Dorothea hasn't come in on this one. She wrote a piece for the Rii NSW site where she quotes what Eileen says, but says the bones were examined later and (to summarise) were too old, and in Clarence's case (two small in height only 5ft 3) to be those of either of them.
>
> She surmises that the could be those of the Countess (of the right age at death) and Warwick (moved from Bisham during the Reformation?).
>
> A v good article well worth reading. Hilary
>
>
> --- In , liz williams wrote:
> >
> > Thanks Eileen.ý It's very interesting
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: eileen bates
> > To:
> > Sent: Saturday, 12 January 2013, 18:47
> > Subject: Re: Re: Richard III's resting place/Clarence and Isobel
> >
> > Liz what happened was, according to Mark Duffy "Royal Tombs of Medieval England"...The vault which measure 9' by 8' was opened in the 18thc on at least 3 occasions for the burial of a local alderman, Samuel Hawlings (d.1709) and later on his wife and son...yes I know..what a cheek!.ý In 1826 the vault was opened again and found to contain the Hawlings' coffins together with two skulls and other bones lying in the north west corner.ý At that point the vault was covered by a large flat blue slab bearing evident markings of once having been inlaid with brass.ý In 1829 the Hawlings' coffins were removed...well done...and the remaining bones placed in a stone coffin that had been unearthed between the Trinity Chapel and the vestry in 1775.ý In 1876 the vault was opened again and the coffin found to be flooded.ý The bones were later placed in the glass cabinet which they are still in today....
> >
> > Thus it would appear the bones are the Clarences' remains at least although what became of their original coffins is lost in the mist of time.ý I dont think in this day and age they would be placed in the glass container......Its so inappropriate...Eileen
> > On 12 Jan 2013, at 16:49, liz williams wrote:
> >
> > > I'm far from a fan of Clarence but I really think there could be something much beter than this.ý ý It just looks like they've been shoved in a box.
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: vermeertwo hi.dung@...>
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Saturday, 12 January 2013, 15:26
> > > Subject: Re: Richard III's resting place
> > >
> > >ý
> > > http://www.r3.org/travel/tewkes/bones.html
> > >
> > > I`d contribute to an appropriate tomb for Richard III. Maybe with an effigy?
> > >
> > > The above link shows his Brother George's situation. Does anyone feel that this should be changed?
> > >
> > > --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, "George Butterfield" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Though I would agree to contribute, I find it incredulous that HMG would not rise to this occasion and find funds ( perhaps from the privy purse ;-0 )
> > > > George
> > > > But let's wait till "He who cannot be named" is!
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailto:%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jacqueline Harvey
> > > > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 1:58 PM
> > > > To: Richard III forum
> > > > Subject: RE: Richard IIIýýýýýýýýs resting place
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Me too, and it would be nice to be invited to his funeral/reburial as well.
> > > > Do you think that will happen??
> > > > Jacq
> > > >
> > > > To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> > > > From: asphodellynwormwood@
> > > > Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 18:51:24 +0000
> > > > Subject: Re: Richard IIIýýýýýýýýs resting place
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > If it comes down to needing individual pledges to guarantee a
> > > >
> > > > suitable tomb, I would find the means to contribute. Anything for
> > > >
> > > > Richard III.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Linda
> > > >
> > > > --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, liz williams wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Yes I'd pledge ýý100 too if necessary.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > ________________________________
> > > >
> > > > > From: Judy Thomson
> > > >
> > > > > To: "mailto:%40yahoogroups.com"
> > > >
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 18:42
> > > >
> > > > > Subject: Re: Richard IIIýýýýýýýýs resting
> > > >
> > > > place
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I'll contact Philippa. As broke as I am, I personally pledge L100, if
> > > >
> > > > necessary. Who among you will match me? This is a once-in-a-lifetime
> > > >
> > > > event....
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Judy
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Loyaulte me lie
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > ________________________________
> > > >
> > > > > From: liz williams mailto:ferrymansdaughter%40btinternet.com>
> > > >
> > > > > To: "mailto:%40yahoogroups.com"
> > > >
> > > > mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > >
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 12:35 PM
> > > >
> > > > > Subject: Re: Richard IIIýýýýýýýýs resting
> > > >
> > > > place
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Totally agree. This sounds awful. I thought he would have a proper
> > > >
> > > > tomb and I will contribute if necessary!
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Liz
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > ________________________________
> > > >
> > > > > From: C HOLMES mailto:christineholmes651%40btinternet.com>
> > > >
> > > > > To:
> > > >
> > > > "mailto:%40yahoogroups.commailto:richardiiisociety\
> > > >
> > > > forum%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > >
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 16:16
> > > >
> > > > > Subject: Re: Richard IIIýýýýýýýýs resting
> > > >
> > > > place
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Hi.
> > > >
> > > > > Certainly not. Richard must be given a proper burial and not put out
> > > >
> > > > for all to see.
> > > >
> > > > > please have some respect for him.
> > > >
> > > > > Loyaulte me Lie
> > > >
> > > > > Christine
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > ________________________________
> > > >
> > > > > From: vermeertwo mailto:hi.dung%40yahoo.com>
> > > >
> > > > > To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> > > >
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 15:31
> > > >
> > > > > Subject: Richard IIIýýýýýýýýs resting
> > > >
> > > > place
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Richard's bones have apparently been kept in a safe when not
> > > >
> > > > undergoing examination. I spoke to someone in Leicester cathedral
> > > >
> > > > recently; they fully expect to receive the remains of Richard III, but
> > > >
> > > > are not happy about the burial of these under the existing flagstone
> > > >
> > > > commemorating Richard. I suggested that the bones be put in a glass
> > > >
> > > > container in the cathedral, like his brother George, in the crypt of
> > > >
> > > > Tewkesbury Abbey.
> > > >
> > > > >
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> > > >
> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
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On 13 Jan 2013, at 15:23, hjnatdat wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm surprised Dorothea hasn't come in on this one. She wrote a piece for the Rii NSW site where she quotes what Eileen says, but says the bones were examined later and (to summarise) were too old, and in Clarence's case (two small in height only 5ft 3) to be those of either of them.
>
> She surmises that the could be those of the Countess (of the right age at death) and Warwick (moved from Bisham during the Reformation?).
>
> A v good article well worth reading. Hilary
>
>
> --- In , liz williams wrote:
> >
> > Thanks Eileen.ý It's very interesting
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: eileen bates
> > To:
> > Sent: Saturday, 12 January 2013, 18:47
> > Subject: Re: Re: Richard III's resting place/Clarence and Isobel
> >
> > Liz what happened was, according to Mark Duffy "Royal Tombs of Medieval England"...The vault which measure 9' by 8' was opened in the 18thc on at least 3 occasions for the burial of a local alderman, Samuel Hawlings (d.1709) and later on his wife and son...yes I know..what a cheek!.ý In 1826 the vault was opened again and found to contain the Hawlings' coffins together with two skulls and other bones lying in the north west corner.ý At that point the vault was covered by a large flat blue slab bearing evident markings of once having been inlaid with brass.ý In 1829 the Hawlings' coffins were removed...well done...and the remaining bones placed in a stone coffin that had been unearthed between the Trinity Chapel and the vestry in 1775.ý In 1876 the vault was opened again and the coffin found to be flooded.ý The bones were later placed in the glass cabinet which they are still in today....
> >
> > Thus it would appear the bones are the Clarences' remains at least although what became of their original coffins is lost in the mist of time.ý I dont think in this day and age they would be placed in the glass container......Its so inappropriate...Eileen
> > On 12 Jan 2013, at 16:49, liz williams wrote:
> >
> > > I'm far from a fan of Clarence but I really think there could be something much beter than this.ý ý It just looks like they've been shoved in a box.
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: vermeertwo hi.dung@...>
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Saturday, 12 January 2013, 15:26
> > > Subject: Re: Richard III's resting place
> > >
> > >ý
> > > http://www.r3.org/travel/tewkes/bones.html
> > >
> > > I`d contribute to an appropriate tomb for Richard III. Maybe with an effigy?
> > >
> > > The above link shows his Brother George's situation. Does anyone feel that this should be changed?
> > >
> > > --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, "George Butterfield" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Though I would agree to contribute, I find it incredulous that HMG would not rise to this occasion and find funds ( perhaps from the privy purse ;-0 )
> > > > George
> > > > But let's wait till "He who cannot be named" is!
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailto:%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jacqueline Harvey
> > > > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 1:58 PM
> > > > To: Richard III forum
> > > > Subject: RE: Richard IIIýýýýýýýýs resting place
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Me too, and it would be nice to be invited to his funeral/reburial as well.
> > > > Do you think that will happen??
> > > > Jacq
> > > >
> > > > To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> > > > From: asphodellynwormwood@
> > > > Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 18:51:24 +0000
> > > > Subject: Re: Richard IIIýýýýýýýýs resting place
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> > > >
> > > > If it comes down to needing individual pledges to guarantee a
> > > >
> > > > suitable tomb, I would find the means to contribute. Anything for
> > > >
> > > > Richard III.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Linda
> > > >
> > > > --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, liz williams wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Yes I'd pledge ýý100 too if necessary.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > ________________________________
> > > >
> > > > > From: Judy Thomson
> > > >
> > > > > To: "mailto:%40yahoogroups.com"
> > > >
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 18:42
> > > >
> > > > > Subject: Re: Richard IIIýýýýýýýýs resting
> > > >
> > > > place
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I'll contact Philippa. As broke as I am, I personally pledge L100, if
> > > >
> > > > necessary. Who among you will match me? This is a once-in-a-lifetime
> > > >
> > > > event....
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Judy
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Loyaulte me lie
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > ________________________________
> > > >
> > > > > From: liz williams mailto:ferrymansdaughter%40btinternet.com>
> > > >
> > > > > To: "mailto:%40yahoogroups.com"
> > > >
> > > > mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > >
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 12:35 PM
> > > >
> > > > > Subject: Re: Richard IIIýýýýýýýýs resting
> > > >
> > > > place
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Totally agree. This sounds awful. I thought he would have a proper
> > > >
> > > > tomb and I will contribute if necessary!
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Liz
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > ________________________________
> > > >
> > > > > From: C HOLMES mailto:christineholmes651%40btinternet.com>
> > > >
> > > > > To:
> > > >
> > > > "mailto:%40yahoogroups.commailto:richardiiisociety\
> > > >
> > > > forum%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > >
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 16:16
> > > >
> > > > > Subject: Re: Richard IIIýýýýýýýýs resting
> > > >
> > > > place
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Hi.
> > > >
> > > > > Certainly not. Richard must be given a proper burial and not put out
> > > >
> > > > for all to see.
> > > >
> > > > > please have some respect for him.
> > > >
> > > > > Loyaulte me Lie
> > > >
> > > > > Christine
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > ________________________________
> > > >
> > > > > From: vermeertwo mailto:hi.dung%40yahoo.com>
> > > >
> > > > > To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> > > >
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 15:31
> > > >
> > > > > Subject: Richard IIIýýýýýýýýs resting
> > > >
> > > > place
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Richard's bones have apparently been kept in a safe when not
> > > >
> > > > undergoing examination. I spoke to someone in Leicester cathedral
> > > >
> > > > recently; they fully expect to receive the remains of Richard III, but
> > > >
> > > > are not happy about the burial of these under the existing flagstone
> > > >
> > > > commemorating Richard. I suggested that the bones be put in a glass
> > > >
> > > > container in the cathedral, like his brother George, in the crypt of
> > > >
> > > > Tewkesbury Abbey.
> > > >
> > > > >
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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Re: Richard III's resting place/Clarence and Isobel
2013-01-13 16:51:20
Hi Eileen,
If you google the article you should come up with it - I did. It goes into quite a lot of detail about the various exhumations. If you can't find it I'll try and find it again and cut and paste it for you. Hilary
--- In , eileen bates wrote:
>
> I would love to know more about the Tewkesbury bones and the truth about them....If these are not in fact Isobel and Clarence what on earth could have become of their remains? Eileen
> On 13 Jan 2013, at 15:23, hjnatdat wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'm surprised Dorothea hasn't come in on this one. She wrote a piece for the Rii NSW site where she quotes what Eileen says, but says the bones were examined later and (to summarise) were too old, and in Clarence's case (two small in height only 5ft 3) to be those of either of them.
> >
> > She surmises that the could be those of the Countess (of the right age at death) and Warwick (moved from Bisham during the Reformation?).
> >
> > A v good article well worth reading. Hilary
> >
> >
> > --- In , liz williams wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks Eileen. It's very interesting
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: eileen bates
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Saturday, 12 January 2013, 18:47
> > > Subject: Re: Re: Richard III's resting place/Clarence and Isobel
> > >
> > > Liz what happened was, according to Mark Duffy "Royal Tombs of Medieval England"...The vault which measure 9' by 8' was opened in the 18thc on at least 3 occasions for the burial of a local alderman, Samuel Hawlings (d.1709) and later on his wife and son...yes I know..what a cheek!. In 1826 the vault was opened again and found to contain the Hawlings' coffins together with two skulls and other bones lying in the north west corner. At that point the vault was covered by a large flat blue slab bearing evident markings of once having been inlaid with brass. In 1829 the Hawlings' coffins were removed...well done...and the remaining bones placed in a stone coffin that had been unearthed between the Trinity Chapel and the vestry in 1775. In 1876 the vault was opened again and the coffin found to be flooded. The bones were later placed in the glass cabinet which they are still in today....
> > >
> > > Thus it would appear the bones are the Clarences' remains at least although what became of their original coffins is lost in the mist of time. I dont think in this day and age they would be placed in the glass container......Its so inappropriate...Eileen
> > > On 12 Jan 2013, at 16:49, liz williams wrote:
> > >
> > > > I'm far from a fan of Clarence but I really think there could be something much beter than this.  It just looks like they've been shoved in a box.
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________
> > > > From: vermeertwo hi.dung@>
> > > > To:
> > > > Sent: Saturday, 12 January 2013, 15:26
> > > > Subject: Re: Richard III's resting place
> > > >
> > > >Â
> > > > http://www.r3.org/travel/tewkes/bones.html
> > > >
> > > > I`d contribute to an appropriate tomb for Richard III. Maybe with an effigy?
> > > >
> > > > The above link shows his Brother George's situation. Does anyone feel that this should be changed?
> > > >
> > > > --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, "George Butterfield" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Though I would agree to contribute, I find it incredulous that HMG would not rise to this occasion and find funds ( perhaps from the privy purse ;-0 )
> > > > > George
> > > > > But let's wait till "He who cannot be named" is!
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailto:%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jacqueline Harvey
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 1:58 PM
> > > > > To: Richard III forum
> > > > > Subject: RE: Richard III’s resting place
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Me too, and it would be nice to be invited to his funeral/reburial as well.
> > > > > Do you think that will happen??
> > > > > Jacq
> > > > >
> > > > > To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> > > > > From: asphodellynwormwood@
> > > > > Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 18:51:24 +0000
> > > > > Subject: Re: Richard III’s resting place
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > If it comes down to needing individual pledges to guarantee a
> > > > >
> > > > > suitable tomb, I would find the means to contribute. Anything for
> > > > >
> > > > > Richard III.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Linda
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, liz williams wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Yes I'd pledge £100 too if necessary.
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > >
> > > > > > From: Judy Thomson
> > > > >
> > > > > > To: "mailto:%40yahoogroups.com"
> > > > >
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 18:42
> > > > >
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Richard III’s resting
> > > > >
> > > > > place
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > I'll contact Philippa. As broke as I am, I personally pledge L100, if
> > > > >
> > > > > necessary. Who among you will match me? This is a once-in-a-lifetime
> > > > >
> > > > > event....
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Judy
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Loyaulte me lie
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > >
> > > > > > From: liz williams mailto:ferrymansdaughter%40btinternet.com>
> > > > >
> > > > > > To: "mailto:%40yahoogroups.com"
> > > > >
> > > > > mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > >
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 12:35 PM
> > > > >
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Richard III’s resting
> > > > >
> > > > > place
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Totally agree. This sounds awful. I thought he would have a proper
> > > > >
> > > > > tomb and I will contribute if necessary!
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Liz
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > >
> > > > > > From: C HOLMES mailto:christineholmes651%40btinternet.com>
> > > > >
> > > > > > To:
> > > > >
> > > > > "mailto:%40yahoogroups.commailto:richardiiisociety\
> > > > >
> > > > > forum%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > >
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 16:16
> > > > >
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Richard III’s resting
> > > > >
> > > > > place
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Certainly not. Richard must be given a proper burial and not put out
> > > > >
> > > > > for all to see.
> > > > >
> > > > > > please have some respect for him.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Loyaulte me Lie
> > > > >
> > > > > > Christine
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > >
> > > > > > From: vermeertwo mailto:hi.dung%40yahoo.com>
> > > > >
> > > > > > To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> > > > >
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 15:31
> > > > >
> > > > > > Subject: Richard III’s resting
> > > > >
> > > > > place
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Richard's bones have apparently been kept in a safe when not
> > > > >
> > > > > undergoing examination. I spoke to someone in Leicester cathedral
> > > > >
> > > > > recently; they fully expect to receive the remains of Richard III, but
> > > > >
> > > > > are not happy about the burial of these under the existing flagstone
> > > > >
> > > > > commemorating Richard. I suggested that the bones be put in a glass
> > > > >
> > > > > container in the cathedral, like his brother George, in the crypt of
> > > > >
> > > > > Tewkesbury Abbey.
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ------------------------------------
> > > > >
> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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If you google the article you should come up with it - I did. It goes into quite a lot of detail about the various exhumations. If you can't find it I'll try and find it again and cut and paste it for you. Hilary
--- In , eileen bates wrote:
>
> I would love to know more about the Tewkesbury bones and the truth about them....If these are not in fact Isobel and Clarence what on earth could have become of their remains? Eileen
> On 13 Jan 2013, at 15:23, hjnatdat wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'm surprised Dorothea hasn't come in on this one. She wrote a piece for the Rii NSW site where she quotes what Eileen says, but says the bones were examined later and (to summarise) were too old, and in Clarence's case (two small in height only 5ft 3) to be those of either of them.
> >
> > She surmises that the could be those of the Countess (of the right age at death) and Warwick (moved from Bisham during the Reformation?).
> >
> > A v good article well worth reading. Hilary
> >
> >
> > --- In , liz williams wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks Eileen. It's very interesting
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: eileen bates
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Saturday, 12 January 2013, 18:47
> > > Subject: Re: Re: Richard III's resting place/Clarence and Isobel
> > >
> > > Liz what happened was, according to Mark Duffy "Royal Tombs of Medieval England"...The vault which measure 9' by 8' was opened in the 18thc on at least 3 occasions for the burial of a local alderman, Samuel Hawlings (d.1709) and later on his wife and son...yes I know..what a cheek!. In 1826 the vault was opened again and found to contain the Hawlings' coffins together with two skulls and other bones lying in the north west corner. At that point the vault was covered by a large flat blue slab bearing evident markings of once having been inlaid with brass. In 1829 the Hawlings' coffins were removed...well done...and the remaining bones placed in a stone coffin that had been unearthed between the Trinity Chapel and the vestry in 1775. In 1876 the vault was opened again and the coffin found to be flooded. The bones were later placed in the glass cabinet which they are still in today....
> > >
> > > Thus it would appear the bones are the Clarences' remains at least although what became of their original coffins is lost in the mist of time. I dont think in this day and age they would be placed in the glass container......Its so inappropriate...Eileen
> > > On 12 Jan 2013, at 16:49, liz williams wrote:
> > >
> > > > I'm far from a fan of Clarence but I really think there could be something much beter than this.  It just looks like they've been shoved in a box.
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________
> > > > From: vermeertwo hi.dung@>
> > > > To:
> > > > Sent: Saturday, 12 January 2013, 15:26
> > > > Subject: Re: Richard III's resting place
> > > >
> > > >Â
> > > > http://www.r3.org/travel/tewkes/bones.html
> > > >
> > > > I`d contribute to an appropriate tomb for Richard III. Maybe with an effigy?
> > > >
> > > > The above link shows his Brother George's situation. Does anyone feel that this should be changed?
> > > >
> > > > --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, "George Butterfield" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Though I would agree to contribute, I find it incredulous that HMG would not rise to this occasion and find funds ( perhaps from the privy purse ;-0 )
> > > > > George
> > > > > But let's wait till "He who cannot be named" is!
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailto:%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jacqueline Harvey
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 1:58 PM
> > > > > To: Richard III forum
> > > > > Subject: RE: Richard III’s resting place
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Me too, and it would be nice to be invited to his funeral/reburial as well.
> > > > > Do you think that will happen??
> > > > > Jacq
> > > > >
> > > > > To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> > > > > From: asphodellynwormwood@
> > > > > Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 18:51:24 +0000
> > > > > Subject: Re: Richard III’s resting place
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > If it comes down to needing individual pledges to guarantee a
> > > > >
> > > > > suitable tomb, I would find the means to contribute. Anything for
> > > > >
> > > > > Richard III.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Linda
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, liz williams wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Yes I'd pledge £100 too if necessary.
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > >
> > > > > > From: Judy Thomson
> > > > >
> > > > > > To: "mailto:%40yahoogroups.com"
> > > > >
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 18:42
> > > > >
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Richard III’s resting
> > > > >
> > > > > place
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > I'll contact Philippa. As broke as I am, I personally pledge L100, if
> > > > >
> > > > > necessary. Who among you will match me? This is a once-in-a-lifetime
> > > > >
> > > > > event....
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Judy
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Loyaulte me lie
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > >
> > > > > > From: liz williams mailto:ferrymansdaughter%40btinternet.com>
> > > > >
> > > > > > To: "mailto:%40yahoogroups.com"
> > > > >
> > > > > mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > >
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 12:35 PM
> > > > >
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Richard III’s resting
> > > > >
> > > > > place
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Totally agree. This sounds awful. I thought he would have a proper
> > > > >
> > > > > tomb and I will contribute if necessary!
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Liz
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > >
> > > > > > From: C HOLMES mailto:christineholmes651%40btinternet.com>
> > > > >
> > > > > > To:
> > > > >
> > > > > "mailto:%40yahoogroups.commailto:richardiiisociety\
> > > > >
> > > > > forum%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > >
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 16:16
> > > > >
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Richard III’s resting
> > > > >
> > > > > place
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Certainly not. Richard must be given a proper burial and not put out
> > > > >
> > > > > for all to see.
> > > > >
> > > > > > please have some respect for him.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Loyaulte me Lie
> > > > >
> > > > > > Christine
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > >
> > > > > > From: vermeertwo mailto:hi.dung%40yahoo.com>
> > > > >
> > > > > > To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> > > > >
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 15:31
> > > > >
> > > > > > Subject: Richard III’s resting
> > > > >
> > > > > place
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Richard's bones have apparently been kept in a safe when not
> > > > >
> > > > > undergoing examination. I spoke to someone in Leicester cathedral
> > > > >
> > > > > recently; they fully expect to receive the remains of Richard III, but
> > > > >
> > > > > are not happy about the burial of these under the existing flagstone
> > > > >
> > > > > commemorating Richard. I suggested that the bones be put in a glass
> > > > >
> > > > > container in the cathedral, like his brother George, in the crypt of
> > > > >
> > > > > Tewkesbury Abbey.
> > > > >
> > > > > >
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> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ------------------------------------
> > > > >
> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
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Re: Richard III's resting place/Clarence and Isobel
2013-01-13 17:08:16
Hilary....I would be dead interested to read that article...I would be grateful if you could find it for me...I will have a go myself but Im worried I won' find it....You say Dorothea thinks the bones might be Isobel's parents....wow...Crickey...! The thought of the Kingmaker ending up in a small glass box..outrageous...well anyone really...Thanks Hilary..Eileen
On 13 Jan 2013, at 16:51, hjnatdat wrote:
> Hi Eileen,
>
> If you google the article you should come up with it - I did. It goes into quite a lot of detail about the various exhumations. If you can't find it I'll try and find it again and cut and paste it for you. Hilary
>
> --- In , eileen bates wrote:
> >
> > I would love to know more about the Tewkesbury bones and the truth about them....If these are not in fact Isobel and Clarence what on earth could have become of their remains? Eileen
> > On 13 Jan 2013, at 15:23, hjnatdat wrote:
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I'm surprised Dorothea hasn't come in on this one. She wrote a piece for the Rii NSW site where she quotes what Eileen says, but says the bones were examined later and (to summarise) were too old, and in Clarence's case (two small in height only 5ft 3) to be those of either of them.
> > >
> > > She surmises that the could be those of the Countess (of the right age at death) and Warwick (moved from Bisham during the Reformation?).
> > >
> > > A v good article well worth reading. Hilary
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In , liz williams wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Thanks Eileen.ý It's very interesting
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________
> > > > From: eileen bates
> > > > To:
> > > > Sent: Saturday, 12 January 2013, 18:47
> > > > Subject: Re: Re: Richard III's resting place/Clarence and Isobel
> > > >
> > > > Liz what happened was, according to Mark Duffy "Royal Tombs of Medieval England"...The vault which measure 9' by 8' was opened in the 18thc on at least 3 occasions for the burial of a local alderman, Samuel Hawlings (d.1709) and later on his wife and son...yes I know..what a cheek!.ý In 1826 the vault was opened again and found to contain the Hawlings' coffins together with two skulls and other bones lying in the north west corner.ý At that point the vault was covered by a large flat blue slab bearing evident markings of once having been inlaid with brass.ý In 1829 the Hawlings' coffins were removed...well done...and the remaining bones placed in a stone coffin that had been unearthed between the Trinity Chapel and the vestry in 1775.ý In 1876 the vault was opened again and the coffin found to be flooded.ý The bones were later placed in the glass cabinet which they are still in today....
> > > >
> > > > Thus it would appear the bones are the Clarences' remains at least although what became of their original coffins is lost in the mist of time.ý I dont think in this day and age they would be placed in the glass container......Its so inappropriate...Eileen
> > > > On 12 Jan 2013, at 16:49, liz williams wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I'm far from a fan of Clarence but I really think there could be something much beter than this.ý ý It just looks like they've been shoved in a box.
> > > > >
> > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > From: vermeertwo hi.dung@>
> > > > > To:
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, 12 January 2013, 15:26
> > > > > Subject: Re: Richard III's resting place
> > > > >
> > > > >ý
> > > > > http://www.r3.org/travel/tewkes/bones.html
> > > > >
> > > > > I`d contribute to an appropriate tomb for Richard III. Maybe with an effigy?
> > > > >
> > > > > The above link shows his Brother George's situation. Does anyone feel that this should be changed?
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, "George Butterfield" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Though I would agree to contribute, I find it incredulous that HMG would not rise to this occasion and find funds ( perhaps from the privy purse ;-0 )
> > > > > > George
> > > > > > But let's wait till "He who cannot be named" is!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailto:%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jacqueline Harvey
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 1:58 PM
> > > > > > To: Richard III forum
> > > > > > Subject: RE: Richard IIIýýýýýýýýs resting place
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Me too, and it would be nice to be invited to his funeral/reburial as well.
> > > > > > Do you think that will happen??
> > > > > > Jacq
> > > > > >
> > > > > > To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > From: asphodellynwormwood@
> > > > > > Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 18:51:24 +0000
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Richard IIIýýýýýýýýs resting place
> > > > > >
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> > > > > > If it comes down to needing individual pledges to guarantee a
> > > > > >
> > > > > > suitable tomb, I would find the means to contribute. Anything for
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Richard III.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Linda
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, liz williams wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yes I'd pledge ýý100 too if necessary.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > From: Judy Thomson
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > To: "mailto:%40yahoogroups.com"
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 18:42
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Richard IIIýýýýýýýýs resting
> > > > > >
> > > > > > place
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'll contact Philippa. As broke as I am, I personally pledge L100, if
> > > > > >
> > > > > > necessary. Who among you will match me? This is a once-in-a-lifetime
> > > > > >
> > > > > > event....
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Judy
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Loyaulte me lie
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > From: liz williams mailto:ferrymansdaughter%40btinternet.com>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > To: "mailto:%40yahoogroups.com"
> > > > > >
> > > > > > mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 12:35 PM
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Richard IIIýýýýýýýýs resting
> > > > > >
> > > > > > place
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Totally agree. This sounds awful. I thought he would have a proper
> > > > > >
> > > > > > tomb and I will contribute if necessary!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Liz
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > From: C HOLMES mailto:christineholmes651%40btinternet.com>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > To:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "mailto:%40yahoogroups.commailto:richardiiisociety\
> > > > > >
> > > > > > forum%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 16:16
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Richard IIIýýýýýýýýs resting
> > > > > >
> > > > > > place
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Certainly not. Richard must be given a proper burial and not put out
> > > > > >
> > > > > > for all to see.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > please have some respect for him.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Loyaulte me Lie
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Christine
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > From: vermeertwo mailto:hi.dung%40yahoo.com>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 15:31
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Subject: Richard IIIýýýýýýýýs resting
> > > > > >
> > > > > > place
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Richard's bones have apparently been kept in a safe when not
> > > > > >
> > > > > > undergoing examination. I spoke to someone in Leicester cathedral
> > > > > >
> > > > > > recently; they fully expect to receive the remains of Richard III, but
> > > > > >
> > > > > > are not happy about the burial of these under the existing flagstone
> > > > > >
> > > > > > commemorating Richard. I suggested that the bones be put in a glass
> > > > > >
> > > > > > container in the cathedral, like his brother George, in the crypt of
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tewkesbury Abbey.
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On 13 Jan 2013, at 16:51, hjnatdat wrote:
> Hi Eileen,
>
> If you google the article you should come up with it - I did. It goes into quite a lot of detail about the various exhumations. If you can't find it I'll try and find it again and cut and paste it for you. Hilary
>
> --- In , eileen bates wrote:
> >
> > I would love to know more about the Tewkesbury bones and the truth about them....If these are not in fact Isobel and Clarence what on earth could have become of their remains? Eileen
> > On 13 Jan 2013, at 15:23, hjnatdat wrote:
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I'm surprised Dorothea hasn't come in on this one. She wrote a piece for the Rii NSW site where she quotes what Eileen says, but says the bones were examined later and (to summarise) were too old, and in Clarence's case (two small in height only 5ft 3) to be those of either of them.
> > >
> > > She surmises that the could be those of the Countess (of the right age at death) and Warwick (moved from Bisham during the Reformation?).
> > >
> > > A v good article well worth reading. Hilary
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In , liz williams wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Thanks Eileen.ý It's very interesting
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________
> > > > From: eileen bates
> > > > To:
> > > > Sent: Saturday, 12 January 2013, 18:47
> > > > Subject: Re: Re: Richard III's resting place/Clarence and Isobel
> > > >
> > > > Liz what happened was, according to Mark Duffy "Royal Tombs of Medieval England"...The vault which measure 9' by 8' was opened in the 18thc on at least 3 occasions for the burial of a local alderman, Samuel Hawlings (d.1709) and later on his wife and son...yes I know..what a cheek!.ý In 1826 the vault was opened again and found to contain the Hawlings' coffins together with two skulls and other bones lying in the north west corner.ý At that point the vault was covered by a large flat blue slab bearing evident markings of once having been inlaid with brass.ý In 1829 the Hawlings' coffins were removed...well done...and the remaining bones placed in a stone coffin that had been unearthed between the Trinity Chapel and the vestry in 1775.ý In 1876 the vault was opened again and the coffin found to be flooded.ý The bones were later placed in the glass cabinet which they are still in today....
> > > >
> > > > Thus it would appear the bones are the Clarences' remains at least although what became of their original coffins is lost in the mist of time.ý I dont think in this day and age they would be placed in the glass container......Its so inappropriate...Eileen
> > > > On 12 Jan 2013, at 16:49, liz williams wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I'm far from a fan of Clarence but I really think there could be something much beter than this.ý ý It just looks like they've been shoved in a box.
> > > > >
> > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > From: vermeertwo hi.dung@>
> > > > > To:
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, 12 January 2013, 15:26
> > > > > Subject: Re: Richard III's resting place
> > > > >
> > > > >ý
> > > > > http://www.r3.org/travel/tewkes/bones.html
> > > > >
> > > > > I`d contribute to an appropriate tomb for Richard III. Maybe with an effigy?
> > > > >
> > > > > The above link shows his Brother George's situation. Does anyone feel that this should be changed?
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, "George Butterfield" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Though I would agree to contribute, I find it incredulous that HMG would not rise to this occasion and find funds ( perhaps from the privy purse ;-0 )
> > > > > > George
> > > > > > But let's wait till "He who cannot be named" is!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailto:%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jacqueline Harvey
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 1:58 PM
> > > > > > To: Richard III forum
> > > > > > Subject: RE: Richard IIIýýýýýýýýs resting place
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Me too, and it would be nice to be invited to his funeral/reburial as well.
> > > > > > Do you think that will happen??
> > > > > > Jacq
> > > > > >
> > > > > > To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > From: asphodellynwormwood@
> > > > > > Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 18:51:24 +0000
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Richard IIIýýýýýýýýs resting place
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> > > > > > If it comes down to needing individual pledges to guarantee a
> > > > > >
> > > > > > suitable tomb, I would find the means to contribute. Anything for
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Richard III.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Linda
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, liz williams wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yes I'd pledge ýý100 too if necessary.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > From: Judy Thomson
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > To: "mailto:%40yahoogroups.com"
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 18:42
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Richard IIIýýýýýýýýs resting
> > > > > >
> > > > > > place
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'll contact Philippa. As broke as I am, I personally pledge L100, if
> > > > > >
> > > > > > necessary. Who among you will match me? This is a once-in-a-lifetime
> > > > > >
> > > > > > event....
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Judy
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Loyaulte me lie
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > From: liz williams mailto:ferrymansdaughter%40btinternet.com>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > To: "mailto:%40yahoogroups.com"
> > > > > >
> > > > > > mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 12:35 PM
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Richard IIIýýýýýýýýs resting
> > > > > >
> > > > > > place
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Totally agree. This sounds awful. I thought he would have a proper
> > > > > >
> > > > > > tomb and I will contribute if necessary!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Liz
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > From: C HOLMES mailto:christineholmes651%40btinternet.com>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > To:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "mailto:%40yahoogroups.commailto:richardiiisociety\
> > > > > >
> > > > > > forum%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 16:16
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Richard IIIýýýýýýýýs resting
> > > > > >
> > > > > > place
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Certainly not. Richard must be given a proper burial and not put out
> > > > > >
> > > > > > for all to see.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > please have some respect for him.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Loyaulte me Lie
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Christine
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > From: vermeertwo mailto:hi.dung%40yahoo.com>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 15:31
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Subject: Richard IIIýýýýýýýýs resting
> > > > > >
> > > > > > place
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Richard's bones have apparently been kept in a safe when not
> > > > > >
> > > > > > undergoing examination. I spoke to someone in Leicester cathedral
> > > > > >
> > > > > > recently; they fully expect to receive the remains of Richard III, but
> > > > > >
> > > > > > are not happy about the burial of these under the existing flagstone
> > > > > >
> > > > > > commemorating Richard. I suggested that the bones be put in a glass
> > > > > >
> > > > > > container in the cathedral, like his brother George, in the crypt of
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tewkesbury Abbey.
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Re: [Richard III Society Forum] Richard III’s resting place
2013-01-13 19:19:07
Did nobody notice that the original poster who brought up the topic was vermeertwo, who has been a known troll on this list for a long time. In his post he said HE suggests that Richard's bones be put in a glass container. This is all a clever wind-up. :-)
----- Original Message -----
<snip>
-- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, C HOLMES wrote:
>
> Hi.
> Certainly not. Richard must be given a proper burial and not put out for all to see.
> please have some respect for him.
> Loyaulte me Lie
> Christine
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: vermeertwo
> To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 15:31
> Subject: Richard IIIâ¬"s resting place
>
>
> Â
>
>
>
> Richard's bones have apparently been kept in a safe when not undergoing examination. I spoke to someone in Leicester cathedral recently; they fully expect to receive the remains of Richard III, but are not happy about the burial of these under the existing flagstone commemorating Richard. I suggested that the bones be put in a glass container in the cathedral, like his brother George, in the crypt of Tewkesbury Abbey.
>
>
>
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>
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----- Original Message -----
<snip>
-- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, C HOLMES wrote:
>
> Hi.
> Certainly not. Richard must be given a proper burial and not put out for all to see.
> please have some respect for him.
> Loyaulte me Lie
> Christine
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: vermeertwo
> To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 15:31
> Subject: Richard IIIâ¬"s resting place
>
>
> Â
>
>
>
> Richard's bones have apparently been kept in a safe when not undergoing examination. I spoke to someone in Leicester cathedral recently; they fully expect to receive the remains of Richard III, but are not happy about the burial of these under the existing flagstone commemorating Richard. I suggested that the bones be put in a glass container in the cathedral, like his brother George, in the crypt of Tewkesbury Abbey.
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Re: [Richard III Society Forum] Richard IIIââ¬â¢s resting
2013-01-13 20:01:49
Hi Angie...I did recall the name from some earlier posts....so I was not surprised at the content...yep...just a winderupper...But why is he still being allowed to post on here if he is a 'known troll'...Moderator...please note....Eileen
--- In , Angie Telepenko wrote:
>
> Did nobody notice that the original poster who brought up the topic was vermeertwo, who has been a known troll on this list for a long time. In his post he said HE suggests that Richard's bones be put in a glass container. This is all a clever wind-up. :-)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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>
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> -- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, C HOLMES wrote:
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> > Certainly not. Richard must be given a proper burial and not put out for all to see.
> > please have some respect for him.
> > Loyaulte me Lie
> > Christine
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> > ________________________________
> > From: vermeertwo
> > To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 15:31
> > Subject: Richard III’s resting place
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> > Richard's bones have apparently been kept in a safe when not undergoing examination. I spoke to someone in Leicester cathedral recently; they fully expect to receive the remains of Richard III, but are not happy about the burial of these under the existing flagstone commemorating Richard. I suggested that the bones be put in a glass container in the cathedral, like his brother George, in the crypt of Tewkesbury Abbey.
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> > Certainly not. Richard must be given a proper burial and not put out for all to see.
> > please have some respect for him.
> > Loyaulte me Lie
> > Christine
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> > ________________________________
> > From: vermeertwo
> > To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 15:31
> > Subject: Richard III’s resting place
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> > Richard's bones have apparently been kept in a safe when not undergoing examination. I spoke to someone in Leicester cathedral recently; they fully expect to receive the remains of Richard III, but are not happy about the burial of these under the existing flagstone commemorating Richard. I suggested that the bones be put in a glass container in the cathedral, like his brother George, in the crypt of Tewkesbury Abbey.
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Re: Richard III's resting place/Clarence and Isobel
2013-01-13 20:40:28
Here we go
http://www.richardiii-nsw.org.au/?p=8229
Hope you can open it (I, like you, think the Kingmaker is much too big for a small glass box - and 5ft 3 is very small, given the Nevilles were tall (even Cis)) Hilary
--- In , eileen bates wrote:
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> Hilary....I would be dead interested to read that article...I would be grateful if you could find it for me...I will have a go myself but Im worried I won' find it....You say Dorothea thinks the bones might be Isobel's parents....wow...Crickey...! The thought of the Kingmaker ending up in a small glass box..outrageous...well anyone really...Thanks Hilary..Eileen
>
>
> On 13 Jan 2013, at 16:51, hjnatdat wrote:
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> > Hi Eileen,
> >
> > If you google the article you should come up with it - I did. It goes into quite a lot of detail about the various exhumations. If you can't find it I'll try and find it again and cut and paste it for you. Hilary
> >
> > --- In , eileen bates wrote:
> > >
> > > I would love to know more about the Tewkesbury bones and the truth about them....If these are not in fact Isobel and Clarence what on earth could have become of their remains? Eileen
> > > On 13 Jan 2013, at 15:23, hjnatdat wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > I'm surprised Dorothea hasn't come in on this one. She wrote a piece for the Rii NSW site where she quotes what Eileen says, but says the bones were examined later and (to summarise) were too old, and in Clarence's case (two small in height only 5ft 3) to be those of either of them.
> > > >
> > > > She surmises that the could be those of the Countess (of the right age at death) and Warwick (moved from Bisham during the Reformation?).
> > > >
> > > > A v good article well worth reading. Hilary
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In , liz williams wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks Eileen. It's very interesting
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > From: eileen bates
> > > > > To:
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, 12 January 2013, 18:47
> > > > > Subject: Re: Re: Richard III's resting place/Clarence and Isobel
> > > > >
> > > > > Liz what happened was, according to Mark Duffy "Royal Tombs of Medieval England"...The vault which measure 9' by 8' was opened in the 18thc on at least 3 occasions for the burial of a local alderman, Samuel Hawlings (d.1709) and later on his wife and son...yes I know..what a cheek!. In 1826 the vault was opened again and found to contain the Hawlings' coffins together with two skulls and other bones lying in the north west corner. At that point the vault was covered by a large flat blue slab bearing evident markings of once having been inlaid with brass. In 1829 the Hawlings' coffins were removed...well done...and the remaining bones placed in a stone coffin that had been unearthed between the Trinity Chapel and the vestry in 1775. In 1876 the vault was opened again and the coffin found to be flooded. The bones were later placed in the glass cabinet which they are still in today....
> > > > >
> > > > > Thus it would appear the bones are the Clarences' remains at least although what became of their original coffins is lost in the mist of time. I dont think in this day and age they would be placed in the glass container......Its so inappropriate...Eileen
> > > > > On 12 Jan 2013, at 16:49, liz williams wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I'm far from a fan of Clarence but I really think there could be something much beter than this.  It just looks like they've been shoved in a box.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > > From: vermeertwo hi.dung@>
> > > > > > To:
> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, 12 January 2013, 15:26
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Richard III's resting place
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Â
> > > > > > http://www.r3.org/travel/tewkes/bones.html
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I`d contribute to an appropriate tomb for Richard III. Maybe with an effigy?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The above link shows his Brother George's situation. Does anyone feel that this should be changed?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, "George Butterfield" wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Though I would agree to contribute, I find it incredulous that HMG would not rise to this occasion and find funds ( perhaps from the privy purse ;-0 )
> > > > > > > George
> > > > > > > But let's wait till "He who cannot be named" is!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailto:%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jacqueline Harvey
> > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 1:58 PM
> > > > > > > To: Richard III forum
> > > > > > > Subject: RE: Richard III’s resting place
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> > > > > > > Me too, and it would be nice to be invited to his funeral/reburial as well.
> > > > > > > Do you think that will happen??
> > > > > > > Jacq
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > From: asphodellynwormwood@
> > > > > > > Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 18:51:24 +0000
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Richard III’s resting place
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> > > > > > > If it comes down to needing individual pledges to guarantee a
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> > > > > > > suitable tomb, I would find the means to contribute. Anything for
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> > > > > > > Richard III.
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> > > > > > > Linda
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, liz williams wrote:
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> > > > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > From: Judy Thomson
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > To: "mailto:%40yahoogroups.com"
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 18:42
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Richard III’s resting
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > place
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> > > > > > > > I'll contact Philippa. As broke as I am, I personally pledge L100, if
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> > > > > > > necessary. Who among you will match me? This is a once-in-a-lifetime
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > event....
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> > > > > > > > Judy
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> > > > > > > > Loyaulte me lie
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> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > From: liz williams mailto:ferrymansdaughter%40btinternet.com>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > To: "mailto:%40yahoogroups.com"
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
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> > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 12:35 PM
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> > > > > > > > Totally agree. This sounds awful. I thought he would have a proper
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> > > > > > > > ________________________________
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> > > > > > > > From: C HOLMES mailto:christineholmes651%40btinternet.com>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > To:
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> > > > > > > "mailto:%40yahoogroups.commailto:richardiiisociety\
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> > > > > > > forum%40yahoogroups.com>
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> > > > > > > > Certainly not. Richard must be given a proper burial and not put out
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> > > > > > > for all to see.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > please have some respect for him.
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> > > > > > > > Loyaulte me Lie
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> > > > > > > > Christine
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> > > > > > > > ________________________________
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> > > > > > > > From: vermeertwo mailto:hi.dung%40yahoo.com>
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> > > > > > > > To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
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> > > > > > > are not happy about the burial of these under the existing flagstone
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http://www.richardiii-nsw.org.au/?p=8229
Hope you can open it (I, like you, think the Kingmaker is much too big for a small glass box - and 5ft 3 is very small, given the Nevilles were tall (even Cis)) Hilary
--- In , eileen bates wrote:
>
> Hilary....I would be dead interested to read that article...I would be grateful if you could find it for me...I will have a go myself but Im worried I won' find it....You say Dorothea thinks the bones might be Isobel's parents....wow...Crickey...! The thought of the Kingmaker ending up in a small glass box..outrageous...well anyone really...Thanks Hilary..Eileen
>
>
> On 13 Jan 2013, at 16:51, hjnatdat wrote:
>
> > Hi Eileen,
> >
> > If you google the article you should come up with it - I did. It goes into quite a lot of detail about the various exhumations. If you can't find it I'll try and find it again and cut and paste it for you. Hilary
> >
> > --- In , eileen bates wrote:
> > >
> > > I would love to know more about the Tewkesbury bones and the truth about them....If these are not in fact Isobel and Clarence what on earth could have become of their remains? Eileen
> > > On 13 Jan 2013, at 15:23, hjnatdat wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > I'm surprised Dorothea hasn't come in on this one. She wrote a piece for the Rii NSW site where she quotes what Eileen says, but says the bones were examined later and (to summarise) were too old, and in Clarence's case (two small in height only 5ft 3) to be those of either of them.
> > > >
> > > > She surmises that the could be those of the Countess (of the right age at death) and Warwick (moved from Bisham during the Reformation?).
> > > >
> > > > A v good article well worth reading. Hilary
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In , liz williams wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks Eileen. It's very interesting
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > From: eileen bates
> > > > > To:
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, 12 January 2013, 18:47
> > > > > Subject: Re: Re: Richard III's resting place/Clarence and Isobel
> > > > >
> > > > > Liz what happened was, according to Mark Duffy "Royal Tombs of Medieval England"...The vault which measure 9' by 8' was opened in the 18thc on at least 3 occasions for the burial of a local alderman, Samuel Hawlings (d.1709) and later on his wife and son...yes I know..what a cheek!. In 1826 the vault was opened again and found to contain the Hawlings' coffins together with two skulls and other bones lying in the north west corner. At that point the vault was covered by a large flat blue slab bearing evident markings of once having been inlaid with brass. In 1829 the Hawlings' coffins were removed...well done...and the remaining bones placed in a stone coffin that had been unearthed between the Trinity Chapel and the vestry in 1775. In 1876 the vault was opened again and the coffin found to be flooded. The bones were later placed in the glass cabinet which they are still in today....
> > > > >
> > > > > Thus it would appear the bones are the Clarences' remains at least although what became of their original coffins is lost in the mist of time. I dont think in this day and age they would be placed in the glass container......Its so inappropriate...Eileen
> > > > > On 12 Jan 2013, at 16:49, liz williams wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I'm far from a fan of Clarence but I really think there could be something much beter than this.  It just looks like they've been shoved in a box.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > > From: vermeertwo hi.dung@>
> > > > > > To:
> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, 12 January 2013, 15:26
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Richard III's resting place
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Â
> > > > > > http://www.r3.org/travel/tewkes/bones.html
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I`d contribute to an appropriate tomb for Richard III. Maybe with an effigy?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The above link shows his Brother George's situation. Does anyone feel that this should be changed?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, "George Butterfield" wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Though I would agree to contribute, I find it incredulous that HMG would not rise to this occasion and find funds ( perhaps from the privy purse ;-0 )
> > > > > > > George
> > > > > > > But let's wait till "He who cannot be named" is!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailto:%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jacqueline Harvey
> > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 1:58 PM
> > > > > > > To: Richard III forum
> > > > > > > Subject: RE: Richard III’s resting place
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Me too, and it would be nice to be invited to his funeral/reburial as well.
> > > > > > > Do you think that will happen??
> > > > > > > Jacq
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > From: asphodellynwormwood@
> > > > > > > Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 18:51:24 +0000
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Richard III’s resting place
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> > > > > > > If it comes down to needing individual pledges to guarantee a
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > suitable tomb, I would find the means to contribute. Anything for
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Richard III.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Linda
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, liz williams wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Yes I'd pledge £100 too if necessary.
> > > > > > >
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> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > From: Judy Thomson
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > To: "mailto:%40yahoogroups.com"
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 18:42
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Richard III’s resting
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > place
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I'll contact Philippa. As broke as I am, I personally pledge L100, if
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > necessary. Who among you will match me? This is a once-in-a-lifetime
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > event....
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Judy
> > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > Loyaulte me lie
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> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > From: liz williams mailto:ferrymansdaughter%40btinternet.com>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > To: "mailto:%40yahoogroups.com"
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 12:35 PM
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Richard III’s resting
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > place
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> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Totally agree. This sounds awful. I thought he would have a proper
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > tomb and I will contribute if necessary!
> > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > Liz
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> > > > > > > > ________________________________
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> > > > > > > > From: C HOLMES mailto:christineholmes651%40btinternet.com>
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> > > > > > > > To:
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> > > > > > > "mailto:%40yahoogroups.commailto:richardiiisociety\
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > forum%40yahoogroups.com>
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> > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 16:16
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> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Richard III’s resting
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> > > > > > > > Hi.
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> > > > > > > > Certainly not. Richard must be given a proper burial and not put out
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> > > > > > > for all to see.
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> > > > > > > > please have some respect for him.
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> > > > > > > > Loyaulte me Lie
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> > > > > > > > Christine
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> > > > > > > > ________________________________
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> > > > > > > > From: vermeertwo mailto:hi.dung%40yahoo.com>
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Re: [Richard III Society Forum] Richard III’s resting place
2013-01-13 20:57:49
Holy cow!!!!
What does he want? Cause trouble as if we don't have enough trouble with anti Ricardians as it is!!!
Ishita Bandyo
www.ishitabandyo.com
www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
On Jan 13, 2013, at 3:01 PM, "EileenB" <cherryripe.eileenb@...> wrote:
> Hi Angie...I did recall the name from some earlier posts....so I was not surprised at the content...yep...just a winderupper...But why is he still being allowed to post on here if he is a 'known troll'...Moderator...please note....Eileen
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> --- In , Angie Telepenko wrote:
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> > Did nobody notice that the original poster who brought up the topic was vermeertwo, who has been a known troll on this list for a long time. In his post he said HE suggests that Richard's bones be put in a glass container. This is all a clever wind-up. :-)
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> > -- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, C HOLMES wrote:
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> > > Hi.
> > > Certainly not. Richard must be given a proper burial and not put out for all to see.
> > > please have some respect for him.
> > > Loyaulte me Lie
> > > Christine
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: vermeertwo
> > > To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 15:31
> > > Subject: Richard IIIâ¬"s resting place
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> > > Richard's bones have apparently been kept in a safe when not undergoing examination. I spoke to someone in Leicester cathedral recently; they fully expect to receive the remains of Richard III, but are not happy about the burial of these under the existing flagstone commemorating Richard. I suggested that the bones be put in a glass container in the cathedral, like his brother George, in the crypt of Tewkesbury Abbey.
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What does he want? Cause trouble as if we don't have enough trouble with anti Ricardians as it is!!!
Ishita Bandyo
www.ishitabandyo.com
www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
On Jan 13, 2013, at 3:01 PM, "EileenB" <cherryripe.eileenb@...> wrote:
> Hi Angie...I did recall the name from some earlier posts....so I was not surprised at the content...yep...just a winderupper...But why is he still being allowed to post on here if he is a 'known troll'...Moderator...please note....Eileen
>
> --- In , Angie Telepenko wrote:
> >
> > Did nobody notice that the original poster who brought up the topic was vermeertwo, who has been a known troll on this list for a long time. In his post he said HE suggests that Richard's bones be put in a glass container. This is all a clever wind-up. :-)
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> > ----- Original Message -----
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> > -- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, C HOLMES wrote:
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> > > Hi.
> > > Certainly not. Richard must be given a proper burial and not put out for all to see.
> > > please have some respect for him.
> > > Loyaulte me Lie
> > > Christine
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: vermeertwo
> > > To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 15:31
> > > Subject: Richard IIIâ¬"s resting place
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> > > Â
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> > > Richard's bones have apparently been kept in a safe when not undergoing examination. I spoke to someone in Leicester cathedral recently; they fully expect to receive the remains of Richard III, but are not happy about the burial of these under the existing flagstone commemorating Richard. I suggested that the bones be put in a glass container in the cathedral, like his brother George, in the crypt of Tewkesbury Abbey.
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Re: Richard III's resting place/Clarence and Isobel
2013-01-13 22:31:41
Thanks Hilary...a very interesting article. I have just read through it quickly and have saved it to go through tomorrow at a slower pace.....blimey....But....surely the male bones cannot be Warwick's...Could it be possible that the Kingmaker was only 5' 3" tall...? Eileen
--- In , "hjnatdat" wrote:
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> Here we go
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> http://www.richardiii-nsw.org.au/?p=8229
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> Hope you can open it (I, like you, think the Kingmaker is much too big for a small glass box - and 5ft 3 is very small, given the Nevilles were tall (even Cis)) Hilary
>
> --- In , eileen bates wrote:
> >
> > Hilary....I would be dead interested to read that article...I would be grateful if you could find it for me...I will have a go myself but Im worried I won' find it....You say Dorothea thinks the bones might be Isobel's parents....wow...Crickey...! The thought of the Kingmaker ending up in a small glass box..outrageous...well anyone really...Thanks Hilary..Eileen
> >
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> > On 13 Jan 2013, at 16:51, hjnatdat wrote:
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> > > Hi Eileen,
> > >
> > > If you google the article you should come up with it - I did. It goes into quite a lot of detail about the various exhumations. If you can't find it I'll try and find it again and cut and paste it for you. Hilary
> > >
> > > --- In , eileen bates wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I would love to know more about the Tewkesbury bones and the truth about them....If these are not in fact Isobel and Clarence what on earth could have become of their remains? Eileen
> > > > On 13 Jan 2013, at 15:23, hjnatdat wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi all,
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm surprised Dorothea hasn't come in on this one. She wrote a piece for the Rii NSW site where she quotes what Eileen says, but says the bones were examined later and (to summarise) were too old, and in Clarence's case (two small in height only 5ft 3) to be those of either of them.
> > > > >
> > > > > She surmises that the could be those of the Countess (of the right age at death) and Warwick (moved from Bisham during the Reformation?).
> > > > >
> > > > > A v good article well worth reading. Hilary
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In , liz williams wrote:
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> > > > > > Thanks Eileen. It's very interesting
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > > From: eileen bates
> > > > > > To:
> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, 12 January 2013, 18:47
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Re: Richard III's resting place/Clarence and Isobel
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Liz what happened was, according to Mark Duffy "Royal Tombs of Medieval England"...The vault which measure 9' by 8' was opened in the 18thc on at least 3 occasions for the burial of a local alderman, Samuel Hawlings (d.1709) and later on his wife and son...yes I know..what a cheek!. In 1826 the vault was opened again and found to contain the Hawlings' coffins together with two skulls and other bones lying in the north west corner. At that point the vault was covered by a large flat blue slab bearing evident markings of once having been inlaid with brass. In 1829 the Hawlings' coffins were removed...well done...and the remaining bones placed in a stone coffin that had been unearthed between the Trinity Chapel and the vestry in 1775. In 1876 the vault was opened again and the coffin found to be flooded. The bones were later placed in the glass cabinet which they are still in today....
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thus it would appear the bones are the Clarences' remains at least although what became of their original coffins is lost in the mist of time. I dont think in this day and age they would be placed in the glass container......Its so inappropriate...Eileen
> > > > > > On 12 Jan 2013, at 16:49, liz williams wrote:
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> > > > > > > I'm far from a fan of Clarence but I really think there could be something much beter than this.  It just looks like they've been shoved in a box.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > > > From: vermeertwo hi.dung@>
> > > > > > > To:
> > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, 12 January 2013, 15:26
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Richard III's resting place
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> > > > > > >Â
> > > > > > > http://www.r3.org/travel/tewkes/bones.html
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> > > > > > > I`d contribute to an appropriate tomb for Richard III. Maybe with an effigy?
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> > > > > > > The above link shows his Brother George's situation. Does anyone feel that this should be changed?
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> > > > > > > --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, "George Butterfield" wrote:
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> > > > > > > > Though I would agree to contribute, I find it incredulous that HMG would not rise to this occasion and find funds ( perhaps from the privy purse ;-0 )
> > > > > > > > George
> > > > > > > > But let's wait till "He who cannot be named" is!
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> > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > From: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailto:%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jacqueline Harvey
> > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 1:58 PM
> > > > > > > > To: Richard III forum
> > > > > > > > Subject: RE: Richard III’s resting place
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> > > > > > > > Me too, and it would be nice to be invited to his funeral/reburial as well.
> > > > > > > > Do you think that will happen??
> > > > > > > > Jacq
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> > > > > > > > To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > > From: asphodellynwormwood@
> > > > > > > > Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 18:51:24 +0000
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Richard III’s resting place
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> > > > > > > > If it comes down to needing individual pledges to guarantee a
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> > > > > > > > Linda
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> > > > > > > > --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, liz williams wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > From: Judy Thomson
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> > > > > > > > > To: "mailto:%40yahoogroups.com"
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> > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 18:42
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> > > > > > > > > I'll contact Philippa. As broke as I am, I personally pledge L100, if
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> > > > > > > > necessary. Who among you will match me? This is a once-in-a-lifetime
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> > > > > > > > > From: liz williams mailto:ferrymansdaughter%40btinternet.com>
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> > > > > > > > > Totally agree. This sounds awful. I thought he would have a proper
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> > > > > > > > > From: C HOLMES mailto:christineholmes651%40btinternet.com>
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> > > > > > > > > Certainly not. Richard must be given a proper burial and not put out
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> > > > > > > > for all to see.
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> > > > > > > > > please have some respect for him.
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> > > > > > > > > Loyaulte me Lie
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> > > > > > > > > Christine
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> > > > > > > > > From: vermeertwo mailto:hi.dung%40yahoo.com>
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> > > > > > > > > To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
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> > > > > > > > > Richard's bones have apparently been kept in a safe when not
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> > > > > > > > recently; they fully expect to receive the remains of Richard III, but
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> > > > > > > > are not happy about the burial of these under the existing flagstone
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> > > > > > > > commemorating Richard. I suggested that the bones be put in a glass
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--- In , "hjnatdat" wrote:
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> http://www.richardiii-nsw.org.au/?p=8229
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> Hope you can open it (I, like you, think the Kingmaker is much too big for a small glass box - and 5ft 3 is very small, given the Nevilles were tall (even Cis)) Hilary
>
> --- In , eileen bates wrote:
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> > Hilary....I would be dead interested to read that article...I would be grateful if you could find it for me...I will have a go myself but Im worried I won' find it....You say Dorothea thinks the bones might be Isobel's parents....wow...Crickey...! The thought of the Kingmaker ending up in a small glass box..outrageous...well anyone really...Thanks Hilary..Eileen
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> > On 13 Jan 2013, at 16:51, hjnatdat wrote:
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> > > Hi Eileen,
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> > > If you google the article you should come up with it - I did. It goes into quite a lot of detail about the various exhumations. If you can't find it I'll try and find it again and cut and paste it for you. Hilary
> > >
> > > --- In , eileen bates wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I would love to know more about the Tewkesbury bones and the truth about them....If these are not in fact Isobel and Clarence what on earth could have become of their remains? Eileen
> > > > On 13 Jan 2013, at 15:23, hjnatdat wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi all,
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm surprised Dorothea hasn't come in on this one. She wrote a piece for the Rii NSW site where she quotes what Eileen says, but says the bones were examined later and (to summarise) were too old, and in Clarence's case (two small in height only 5ft 3) to be those of either of them.
> > > > >
> > > > > She surmises that the could be those of the Countess (of the right age at death) and Warwick (moved from Bisham during the Reformation?).
> > > > >
> > > > > A v good article well worth reading. Hilary
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In , liz williams wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks Eileen. It's very interesting
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > > From: eileen bates
> > > > > > To:
> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, 12 January 2013, 18:47
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Re: Richard III's resting place/Clarence and Isobel
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Liz what happened was, according to Mark Duffy "Royal Tombs of Medieval England"...The vault which measure 9' by 8' was opened in the 18thc on at least 3 occasions for the burial of a local alderman, Samuel Hawlings (d.1709) and later on his wife and son...yes I know..what a cheek!. In 1826 the vault was opened again and found to contain the Hawlings' coffins together with two skulls and other bones lying in the north west corner. At that point the vault was covered by a large flat blue slab bearing evident markings of once having been inlaid with brass. In 1829 the Hawlings' coffins were removed...well done...and the remaining bones placed in a stone coffin that had been unearthed between the Trinity Chapel and the vestry in 1775. In 1876 the vault was opened again and the coffin found to be flooded. The bones were later placed in the glass cabinet which they are still in today....
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thus it would appear the bones are the Clarences' remains at least although what became of their original coffins is lost in the mist of time. I dont think in this day and age they would be placed in the glass container......Its so inappropriate...Eileen
> > > > > > On 12 Jan 2013, at 16:49, liz williams wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm far from a fan of Clarence but I really think there could be something much beter than this.  It just looks like they've been shoved in a box.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > > > From: vermeertwo hi.dung@>
> > > > > > > To:
> > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, 12 January 2013, 15:26
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Richard III's resting place
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> > > > > > > I`d contribute to an appropriate tomb for Richard III. Maybe with an effigy?
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> > > > > > > The above link shows his Brother George's situation. Does anyone feel that this should be changed?
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> > > > > > > --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, "George Butterfield" wrote:
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> > > > > > > > Though I would agree to contribute, I find it incredulous that HMG would not rise to this occasion and find funds ( perhaps from the privy purse ;-0 )
> > > > > > > > George
> > > > > > > > But let's wait till "He who cannot be named" is!
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> > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > From: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailto:%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jacqueline Harvey
> > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 1:58 PM
> > > > > > > > To: Richard III forum
> > > > > > > > Subject: RE: Richard III’s resting place
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> > > > > > > > Me too, and it would be nice to be invited to his funeral/reburial as well.
> > > > > > > > Do you think that will happen??
> > > > > > > > Jacq
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> > > > > > > > To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > > From: asphodellynwormwood@
> > > > > > > > Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 18:51:24 +0000
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Richard III’s resting place
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> > > > > > > > Linda
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> > > > > > > > --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, liz williams wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > From: Judy Thomson
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> > > > > > > > > To: "mailto:%40yahoogroups.com"
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> > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 18:42
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> > > > > > > > > From: liz williams mailto:ferrymansdaughter%40btinternet.com>
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> > > > > > > > > To: "mailto:%40yahoogroups.com"
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> > > > > > > > > Totally agree. This sounds awful. I thought he would have a proper
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> > > > > > > > > From: C HOLMES mailto:christineholmes651%40btinternet.com>
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> > > > > > > > "mailto:%40yahoogroups.commailto:richardiiisociety\
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> > > > > > > > > Certainly not. Richard must be given a proper burial and not put out
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> > > > > > > > > please have some respect for him.
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> > > > > > > > > Loyaulte me Lie
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> > > > > > > > > From: vermeertwo mailto:hi.dung%40yahoo.com>
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Re: Richard III's resting place/Clarence and Isobel
2013-01-13 23:43:05
Once again, sorry to be late! Feeling a bit under the weather with a summer flu.
As to the article, it was a guest post written by Pauline Pogmore of the Yorkshire Branch, not by me. I personally know nothing about the Tewkesbury Bones, which is why I didn't chime in earlier. I found Pauline's article interesting, but if others know more, please do let us know.
Cheers, Dorothea
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From: EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@...>
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Sent: Monday, 14 January 2013 9:31 AM
Subject: Re: Richard III's resting place/Clarence and Isobel
Thanks Hilary...a very interesting article. I have just read through it quickly and have saved it to go through tomorrow at a slower pace.....blimey....But....surely the male bones cannot be Warwick's...Could it be possible that the Kingmaker was only 5' 3" tall...? Eileen
--- In , "hjnatdat" wrote:
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> http://www.richardiii-nsw.org.au/?p=8229
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> Hope you can open it (I, like you, think the Kingmaker is much too big for a small glass box - and 5ft 3 is very small, given the Nevilles were tall (even Cis)) Hilary
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> > Hilary....I would be dead interested to read that article...I would be grateful if you could find it for me...I will have a go myself but Im worried I won' find it....You say Dorothea thinks the bones might be Isobel's parents....wow...Crickey...! The thought of the Kingmaker ending up in a small glass box..outrageous...well anyone really...Thanks Hilary..Eileen
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> > > If you google the article you should come up with it - I did. It goes into quite a lot of detail about the various exhumations. If you can't find it I'll try and find it again and cut and paste it for you. Hilary
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> > > --- In , eileen bates wrote:
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> > > > I would love to know more about the Tewkesbury bones and the truth about them....If these are not in fact Isobel and Clarence what on earth could have become of their remains? Eileen
> > > > On 13 Jan 2013, at 15:23, hjnatdat wrote:
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> > > > > Hi all,
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> > > > > I'm surprised Dorothea hasn't come in on this one. She wrote a piece for the Rii NSW site where she quotes what Eileen says, but says the bones were examined later and (to summarise) were too old, and in Clarence's case (two small in height only 5ft 3) to be those of either of them.
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> > > > > She surmises that the could be those of the Countess (of the right age at death) and Warwick (moved from Bisham during the Reformation?).
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> > > > > A v good article well worth reading. Hilary
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> > > > > --- In , liz williams wrote:
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> > > > > > Thanks Eileen. It's very interesting
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> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, 12 January 2013, 18:47
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Re: Richard III's resting place/Clarence and Isobel
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> > > > > > Liz what happened was, according to Mark Duffy "Royal Tombs of Medieval England"...The vault which measure 9' by 8' was opened in the 18thc on at least 3 occasions for the burial of a local alderman, Samuel Hawlings (d.1709) and later on his wife and son...yes I know..what a cheek!. In 1826 the vault was opened again and found to contain the Hawlings' coffins together with two skulls and other bones lying in the north west corner. At that point the vault was covered by a large flat blue slab bearing evident markings of once having been inlaid with brass. In 1829 the Hawlings' coffins were removed...well done...and the remaining bones placed in a stone coffin that had been unearthed between the Trinity Chapel and the vestry in 1775. In 1876 the vault was opened again and the coffin found to be flooded. The bones were later placed in the glass cabinet which they are still in today....
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> > > > > > Thus it would appear the bones are the Clarences' remains at least although what became of their original coffins is lost in the mist of time. I dont think in this day and age they would be placed in the glass container......Its so inappropriate...Eileen
> > > > > > On 12 Jan 2013, at 16:49, liz williams wrote:
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> > > > > > > I'm far from a fan of Clarence but I really think there could be something much beter than this.  It just looks like they've been shoved in a box.
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> > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, 12 January 2013, 15:26
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Richard III's resting place
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> > > > > > > http://www.r3.org/travel/tewkes/bones.html
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> > > > > > > I`d contribute to an appropriate tomb for Richard III. Maybe with an effigy?
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> > > > > > > The above link shows his Brother George's situation. Does anyone feel that this should be changed?
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> > > > > > > --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, "George Butterfield" wrote:
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> > > > > > > > Though I would agree to contribute, I find it incredulous that HMG would not rise to this occasion and find funds ( perhaps from the privy purse ;-0 )
> > > > > > > > George
> > > > > > > > But let's wait till "He who cannot be named" is!
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> > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > From: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailto:%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jacqueline Harvey
> > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 1:58 PM
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> > > > > > > > Subject: RE: Richard IIIââ¬â ¢s resting place
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> > > > > > > > Me too, and it would be nice to be invited to his funeral/reburial as well.
> > > > > > > > Do you think that will happen??
> > > > > > > > Jacq
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> > > > > > > > From: asphodellynwormwood@
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> > > > > > > > --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, liz williams wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > To: "mailto:%40yahoogroups.com"
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> > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 18:42
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> > > > > > > > > From: liz williams mailto:ferrymansdaughter%40btinternet.com>
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> > > > > > > > > To: "mailto:%40yahoogroups.com"
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> > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 12:35 PM
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> > > > > > > > > Totally agree. This sounds awful. I thought he would have a proper
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> > > > > > > > > From: C HOLMES mailto:christineholmes651%40btinternet.com>
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> > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 16:16
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> > > > > > > > > Certainly not. Richard must be given a proper burial and not put out
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> > > > > > > > for all to see.
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> > > > > > > > > please have some respect for him.
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> > > > > > > > > Loyaulte me Lie
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> > > > > > > > > Christine
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> > > > > > > > > From: vermeertwo mailto:hi.dung%40yahoo.com>
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> > > > > > > > > To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
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> > > > > > > > commemorating Richard. I suggested that the bones be put in a glass
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As to the article, it was a guest post written by Pauline Pogmore of the Yorkshire Branch, not by me. I personally know nothing about the Tewkesbury Bones, which is why I didn't chime in earlier. I found Pauline's article interesting, but if others know more, please do let us know.
Cheers, Dorothea
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From: EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@...>
To:
Sent: Monday, 14 January 2013 9:31 AM
Subject: Re: Richard III's resting place/Clarence and Isobel
Thanks Hilary...a very interesting article. I have just read through it quickly and have saved it to go through tomorrow at a slower pace.....blimey....But....surely the male bones cannot be Warwick's...Could it be possible that the Kingmaker was only 5' 3" tall...? Eileen
--- In , "hjnatdat" wrote:
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> Here we go
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> http://www.richardiii-nsw.org.au/?p=8229
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> Hope you can open it (I, like you, think the Kingmaker is much too big for a small glass box - and 5ft 3 is very small, given the Nevilles were tall (even Cis)) Hilary
>
> --- In , eileen bates wrote:
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> > Hilary....I would be dead interested to read that article...I would be grateful if you could find it for me...I will have a go myself but Im worried I won' find it....You say Dorothea thinks the bones might be Isobel's parents....wow...Crickey...! The thought of the Kingmaker ending up in a small glass box..outrageous...well anyone really...Thanks Hilary..Eileen
> >
> >
> > On 13 Jan 2013, at 16:51, hjnatdat wrote:
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> > > Hi Eileen,
> > >
> > > If you google the article you should come up with it - I did. It goes into quite a lot of detail about the various exhumations. If you can't find it I'll try and find it again and cut and paste it for you. Hilary
> > >
> > > --- In , eileen bates wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I would love to know more about the Tewkesbury bones and the truth about them....If these are not in fact Isobel and Clarence what on earth could have become of their remains? Eileen
> > > > On 13 Jan 2013, at 15:23, hjnatdat wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi all,
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm surprised Dorothea hasn't come in on this one. She wrote a piece for the Rii NSW site where she quotes what Eileen says, but says the bones were examined later and (to summarise) were too old, and in Clarence's case (two small in height only 5ft 3) to be those of either of them.
> > > > >
> > > > > She surmises that the could be those of the Countess (of the right age at death) and Warwick (moved from Bisham during the Reformation?).
> > > > >
> > > > > A v good article well worth reading. Hilary
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> > > > >
> > > > > --- In , liz williams wrote:
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> > > > > > Thanks Eileen. It's very interesting
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> > > > > >
> > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > > From: eileen bates
> > > > > > To:
> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, 12 January 2013, 18:47
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Re: Richard III's resting place/Clarence and Isobel
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Liz what happened was, according to Mark Duffy "Royal Tombs of Medieval England"...The vault which measure 9' by 8' was opened in the 18thc on at least 3 occasions for the burial of a local alderman, Samuel Hawlings (d.1709) and later on his wife and son...yes I know..what a cheek!. In 1826 the vault was opened again and found to contain the Hawlings' coffins together with two skulls and other bones lying in the north west corner. At that point the vault was covered by a large flat blue slab bearing evident markings of once having been inlaid with brass. In 1829 the Hawlings' coffins were removed...well done...and the remaining bones placed in a stone coffin that had been unearthed between the Trinity Chapel and the vestry in 1775. In 1876 the vault was opened again and the coffin found to be flooded. The bones were later placed in the glass cabinet which they are still in today....
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> > > > > > Thus it would appear the bones are the Clarences' remains at least although what became of their original coffins is lost in the mist of time. I dont think in this day and age they would be placed in the glass container......Its so inappropriate...Eileen
> > > > > > On 12 Jan 2013, at 16:49, liz williams wrote:
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> > > > > > > I'm far from a fan of Clarence but I really think there could be something much beter than this.  It just looks like they've been shoved in a box.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > > > From: vermeertwo hi.dung@>
> > > > > > > To:
> > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, 12 January 2013, 15:26
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Richard III's resting place
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> > > > > > >Â
> > > > > > > http://www.r3.org/travel/tewkes/bones.html
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> > > > > > > I`d contribute to an appropriate tomb for Richard III. Maybe with an effigy?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The above link shows his Brother George's situation. Does anyone feel that this should be changed?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, "George Butterfield" wrote:
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> > > > > > > > Though I would agree to contribute, I find it incredulous that HMG would not rise to this occasion and find funds ( perhaps from the privy purse ;-0 )
> > > > > > > > George
> > > > > > > > But let's wait till "He who cannot be named" is!
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> > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > From: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailto:%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jacqueline Harvey
> > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 1:58 PM
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> > > > > > > > Subject: RE: Richard IIIââ¬â ¢s resting place
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> > > > > > > > Me too, and it would be nice to be invited to his funeral/reburial as well.
> > > > > > > > Do you think that will happen??
> > > > > > > > Jacq
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> > > > > > > > To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > > From: asphodellynwormwood@
> > > > > > > > Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 18:51:24 +0000
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Richard IIIââ¬â ¢s resting place
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> > > > > > > > > To: "mailto:%40yahoogroups.com"
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> > > > > > > > > I'll contact Philippa. As broke as I am, I personally pledge L100, if
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> > > > > > > > > From: liz williams mailto:ferrymansdaughter%40btinternet.com>
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> > > > > > > > > Totally agree. This sounds awful. I thought he would have a proper
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> > > > > > > > > Certainly not. Richard must be given a proper burial and not put out
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> > > > > > > > for all to see.
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> > > > > > > > > please have some respect for him.
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> > > > > > > > > Loyaulte me Lie
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Re: [Richard III Society Forum] Richard III’s resting place
2013-01-14 11:30:42
Hi All if he or she is a troll whoever it is should in my opinion be prevented from posting on this forum.
Christine
Loyaulte me Lie
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From: Angie Telepenko <gooble@...>
To:
Sent: Sunday, 13 January 2013, 19:19
Subject: Re: Richard IIIâ¬"s resting place
Did nobody notice that the original poster who brought up the topic was vermeertwo, who has been a known troll on this list for a long time. In his post he said HE suggests that Richard's bones be put in a glass container. This is all a clever wind-up. :-)
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-- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, C HOLMES wrote:
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> Hi.
> Certainly not. Richard must be given a proper burial and not put out for all to see.
> please have some respect for him.
> Loyaulte me Lie
> Christine
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: vermeertwo
> To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 15:31
> Subject: Richard IIIâ¬"s resting place
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> Richard's bones have apparently been kept in a safe when not undergoing examination. I spoke to someone in Leicester cathedral recently; they fully expect to receive the remains of Richard III, but are not happy about the burial of these under the existing flagstone commemorating Richard. I suggested that the bones be put in a glass container in the cathedral, like his brother George, in the crypt of Tewkesbury Abbey.
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Christine
Loyaulte me Lie
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From: Angie Telepenko <gooble@...>
To:
Sent: Sunday, 13 January 2013, 19:19
Subject: Re: Richard IIIâ¬"s resting place
Did nobody notice that the original poster who brought up the topic was vermeertwo, who has been a known troll on this list for a long time. In his post he said HE suggests that Richard's bones be put in a glass container. This is all a clever wind-up. :-)
----- Original Message -----
-- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, C HOLMES wrote:
>
> Hi.
> Certainly not. Richard must be given a proper burial and not put out for all to see.
> please have some respect for him.
> Loyaulte me Lie
> Christine
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: vermeertwo
> To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 15:31
> Subject: Richard IIIâ¬"s resting place
>
>
> Â
>
>
>
> Richard's bones have apparently been kept in a safe when not undergoing examination. I spoke to someone in Leicester cathedral recently; they fully expect to receive the remains of Richard III, but are not happy about the burial of these under the existing flagstone commemorating Richard. I suggested that the bones be put in a glass container in the cathedral, like his brother George, in the crypt of Tewkesbury Abbey.
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Re: Richard III's resting place/Clarence and Isobel
2013-01-14 13:30:45
Could the 5'3' bones in fact be the remains of Clarence.This would explain a lot.Brains too near bottom! Eileen
--- In , Dorothea Preis wrote:
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> Once again, sorry to be late! Feeling a bit under the weather with a summer flu.Â
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> As to the article, it was a guest post written by Pauline Pogmore of the Yorkshire Branch, not by me.  I personally know nothing about the Tewkesbury Bones, which is why I didn't chime in earlier. I found Pauline's article interesting, but if others know more, please do let us know.
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> Cheers, Dorothea
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> ________________________________
> From: EileenB
> To:
> Sent: Monday, 14 January 2013 9:31 AM
> Subject: Re: Richard III's resting place/Clarence and Isobel
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> Â
> Thanks Hilary...a very interesting article. I have just read through it quickly and have saved it to go through tomorrow at a slower pace.....blimey....But....surely the male bones cannot be Warwick's...Could it be possible that the Kingmaker was only 5' 3" tall...? Eileen
>
> --- In , "hjnatdat" wrote:
> >
> > Here we go
> >
> > http://www.richardiii-nsw.org.au/?p=8229
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> > Hope you can open it (I, like you, think the Kingmaker is much too big for a small glass box - and 5ft 3 is very small, given the Nevilles were tall (even Cis)) Hilary
> >
> > --- In , eileen bates wrote:
> > >
> > > Hilary....I would be dead interested to read that article...I would be grateful if you could find it for me...I will have a go myself but Im worried I won' find it....You say Dorothea thinks the bones might be Isobel's parents....wow...Crickey...! The thought of the Kingmaker ending up in a small glass box..outrageous...well anyone really...Thanks Hilary..Eileen
> > >
> > >
> > > On 13 Jan 2013, at 16:51, hjnatdat wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Eileen,
> > > >
> > > > If you google the article you should come up with it - I did. It goes into quite a lot of detail about the various exhumations. If you can't find it I'll try and find it again and cut and paste it for you. Hilary
> > > >
> > > > --- In , eileen bates wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I would love to know more about the Tewkesbury bones and the truth about them....If these are not in fact Isobel and Clarence what on earth could have become of their remains? Eileen
> > > > > On 13 Jan 2013, at 15:23, hjnatdat wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi all,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm surprised Dorothea hasn't come in on this one. She wrote a piece for the Rii NSW site where she quotes what Eileen says, but says the bones were examined later and (to summarise) were too old, and in Clarence's case (two small in height only 5ft 3) to be those of either of them.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > She surmises that the could be those of the Countess (of the right age at death) and Warwick (moved from Bisham during the Reformation?).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > A v good article well worth reading. Hilary
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In , liz williams wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks Eileen. It's very interesting
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > > > From: eileen bates
> > > > > > > To:
> > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, 12 January 2013, 18:47
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Re: Richard III's resting place/Clarence and Isobel
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Liz what happened was, according to Mark Duffy "Royal Tombs of Medieval England"...The vault which measure 9' by 8' was opened in the 18thc on at least 3 occasions for the burial of a local alderman, Samuel Hawlings (d.1709) and later on his wife and son...yes I know..what a cheek!. In 1826 the vault was opened again and found to contain the Hawlings' coffins together with two skulls and other bones lying in the north west corner. At that point the vault was covered by a large flat blue slab bearing evident markings of once having been inlaid with brass. In 1829 the Hawlings' coffins were removed...well done...and the remaining bones placed in a stone coffin that had been unearthed between the Trinity Chapel and the vestry in 1775. In 1876 the vault was opened again and the coffin found to be flooded. The bones were later placed in the glass cabinet which they are still in today....
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thus it would appear the bones are the Clarences' remains at least although what became of their original coffins is lost in the mist of time. I dont think in this day and age they would be placed in the glass container......Its so inappropriate...Eileen
> > > > > > > On 12 Jan 2013, at 16:49, liz williams wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I'm far from a fan of Clarence but I really think there could be something much beter than this.  It just looks like they've been shoved in a box.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > > > > From: vermeertwo hi.dung@>
> > > > > > > > To:
> > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, 12 January 2013, 15:26
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Richard III's resting place
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Â
> > > > > > > > http://www.r3.org/travel/tewkes/bones.html
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I`d contribute to an appropriate tomb for Richard III. Maybe with an effigy?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The above link shows his Brother George's situation. Does anyone feel that this should be changed?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, "George Butterfield" wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Though I would agree to contribute, I find it incredulous that HMG would not rise to this occasion and find funds ( perhaps from the privy purse ;-0 )
> > > > > > > > > George
> > > > > > > > > But let's wait till "He who cannot be named" is!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > From: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailto:%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jacqueline Harvey
> > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 1:58 PM
> > > > > > > > > To: Richard III forum
> > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: Richard III’s resting place
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> > > > > > > > > Me too, and it would be nice to be invited to his funeral/reburial as well.
> > > > > > > > > Do you think that will happen??
> > > > > > > > > Jacq
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> > > > > > > > > To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > > > From: asphodellynwormwood@
> > > > > > > > > Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 18:51:24 +0000
> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Richard III’s resting place
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> > > > > > > > > Linda
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> > > > > > > > > --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, liz williams wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > > From: Judy Thomson
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> > > > > > > > > > To: "mailto:%40yahoogroups.com"
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> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 18:42
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> > > > > > > > > > I'll contact Philippa. As broke as I am, I personally pledge L100, if
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> > > > > > > > > necessary. Who among you will match me? This is a once-in-a-lifetime
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> > > > > > > > > > From: liz williams mailto:ferrymansdaughter%40btinternet.com>
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> > > > > > > > > > To: "mailto:%40yahoogroups.com"
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> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 12:35 PM
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> > > > > > > > > > Totally agree. This sounds awful. I thought he would have a proper
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> > > > > > > > > > From: C HOLMES mailto:christineholmes651%40btinternet.com>
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> > > > > > > > > > To:
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> > > > > > > > > "mailto:%40yahoogroups.commailto:richardiiisociety\
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> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 16:16
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> > > > > > > > > > Certainly not. Richard must be given a proper burial and not put out
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> > > > > > > > > for all to see.
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> > > > > > > > > > please have some respect for him.
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> > > > > > > > > > Loyaulte me Lie
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> > > > > > > > > > Christine
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> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________
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> > > > > > > > > > From: vermeertwo mailto:hi.dung%40yahoo.com>
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> > > > > > > > > > Richard's bones have apparently been kept in a safe when not
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> > > > > > > > > undergoing examination. I spoke to someone in Leicester cathedral
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--- In , Dorothea Preis wrote:
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> Once again, sorry to be late! Feeling a bit under the weather with a summer flu.Â
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> As to the article, it was a guest post written by Pauline Pogmore of the Yorkshire Branch, not by me.  I personally know nothing about the Tewkesbury Bones, which is why I didn't chime in earlier. I found Pauline's article interesting, but if others know more, please do let us know.
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> Cheers, Dorothea
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> From: EileenB
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> Sent: Monday, 14 January 2013 9:31 AM
> Subject: Re: Richard III's resting place/Clarence and Isobel
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> Thanks Hilary...a very interesting article. I have just read through it quickly and have saved it to go through tomorrow at a slower pace.....blimey....But....surely the male bones cannot be Warwick's...Could it be possible that the Kingmaker was only 5' 3" tall...? Eileen
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> --- In , "hjnatdat" wrote:
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> > Here we go
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> > http://www.richardiii-nsw.org.au/?p=8229
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> > Hope you can open it (I, like you, think the Kingmaker is much too big for a small glass box - and 5ft 3 is very small, given the Nevilles were tall (even Cis)) Hilary
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> > --- In , eileen bates wrote:
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> > > Hilary....I would be dead interested to read that article...I would be grateful if you could find it for me...I will have a go myself but Im worried I won' find it....You say Dorothea thinks the bones might be Isobel's parents....wow...Crickey...! The thought of the Kingmaker ending up in a small glass box..outrageous...well anyone really...Thanks Hilary..Eileen
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> > > On 13 Jan 2013, at 16:51, hjnatdat wrote:
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> > > > Hi Eileen,
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> > > > If you google the article you should come up with it - I did. It goes into quite a lot of detail about the various exhumations. If you can't find it I'll try and find it again and cut and paste it for you. Hilary
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> > > > --- In , eileen bates wrote:
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> > > > > I would love to know more about the Tewkesbury bones and the truth about them....If these are not in fact Isobel and Clarence what on earth could have become of their remains? Eileen
> > > > > On 13 Jan 2013, at 15:23, hjnatdat wrote:
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> > > > > > Hi all,
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> > > > > > I'm surprised Dorothea hasn't come in on this one. She wrote a piece for the Rii NSW site where she quotes what Eileen says, but says the bones were examined later and (to summarise) were too old, and in Clarence's case (two small in height only 5ft 3) to be those of either of them.
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> > > > > > She surmises that the could be those of the Countess (of the right age at death) and Warwick (moved from Bisham during the Reformation?).
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> > > > > > A v good article well worth reading. Hilary
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> > > > > > --- In , liz williams wrote:
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> > > > > > > Thanks Eileen. It's very interesting
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> > > > > > > From: eileen bates
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> > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, 12 January 2013, 18:47
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Re: Richard III's resting place/Clarence and Isobel
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> > > > > > > Liz what happened was, according to Mark Duffy "Royal Tombs of Medieval England"...The vault which measure 9' by 8' was opened in the 18thc on at least 3 occasions for the burial of a local alderman, Samuel Hawlings (d.1709) and later on his wife and son...yes I know..what a cheek!. In 1826 the vault was opened again and found to contain the Hawlings' coffins together with two skulls and other bones lying in the north west corner. At that point the vault was covered by a large flat blue slab bearing evident markings of once having been inlaid with brass. In 1829 the Hawlings' coffins were removed...well done...and the remaining bones placed in a stone coffin that had been unearthed between the Trinity Chapel and the vestry in 1775. In 1876 the vault was opened again and the coffin found to be flooded. The bones were later placed in the glass cabinet which they are still in today....
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> > > > > > > Thus it would appear the bones are the Clarences' remains at least although what became of their original coffins is lost in the mist of time. I dont think in this day and age they would be placed in the glass container......Its so inappropriate...Eileen
> > > > > > > On 12 Jan 2013, at 16:49, liz williams wrote:
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> > > > > > > > I'm far from a fan of Clarence but I really think there could be something much beter than this.  It just looks like they've been shoved in a box.
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> > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, 12 January 2013, 15:26
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Richard III's resting place
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> > > > > > > > http://www.r3.org/travel/tewkes/bones.html
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> > > > > > > > I`d contribute to an appropriate tomb for Richard III. Maybe with an effigy?
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> > > > > > > > The above link shows his Brother George's situation. Does anyone feel that this should be changed?
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> > > > > > > > --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, "George Butterfield" wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > Though I would agree to contribute, I find it incredulous that HMG would not rise to this occasion and find funds ( perhaps from the privy purse ;-0 )
> > > > > > > > > George
> > > > > > > > > But let's wait till "He who cannot be named" is!
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> > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > From: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailto:%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jacqueline Harvey
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> > > > > > > > > Me too, and it would be nice to be invited to his funeral/reburial as well.
> > > > > > > > > Do you think that will happen??
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> > > > > > > > > To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > > > From: asphodellynwormwood@
> > > > > > > > > Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 18:51:24 +0000
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> > > > > > > > > --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, liz williams wrote:
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> > > > > > > > > > To: "mailto:%40yahoogroups.com"
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> > > > > > > > > > I'll contact Philippa. As broke as I am, I personally pledge L100, if
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> > > > > > > > > necessary. Who among you will match me? This is a once-in-a-lifetime
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> > > > > > > > > > From: liz williams mailto:ferrymansdaughter%40btinternet.com>
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> > > > > > > > > > To: "mailto:%40yahoogroups.com"
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> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 12:35 PM
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> > > > > > > > > > Totally agree. This sounds awful. I thought he would have a proper
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> > > > > > > > > > From: C HOLMES mailto:christineholmes651%40btinternet.com>
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> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013, 16:16
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> > > > > > > > > > Certainly not. Richard must be given a proper burial and not put out
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> > > > > > > > > > please have some respect for him.
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Re: Richard IIIââ¬â¢s resting place
2013-01-14 20:30:35
I hear that there will be a private reburial for richard and a service later.I think that's very sad, he has had one hole in the corner funeral don't give him another but I think it's alresdy been decided
--- In , C HOLMES wrote:
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> Hi All if he or she is a troll whoever it is should in my opinion be prevented from posting on this forum.
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> Loyaulte me Lie
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> From: Angie Telepenko
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> Sent: Sunday, 13 January 2013, 19:19
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> Did nobody notice that the original poster who brought up the topic was vermeertwo, who has been a known troll on this list for a long time. In his post he said HE suggests that Richard's bones be put in a glass container. This is all a clever wind-up. :-)
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> > Certainly not. Richard must be given a proper burial and not put out for all to see.
> > please have some respect for him.
> > Loyaulte me Lie
> > Christine
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> Hi All if he or she is a troll whoever it is should in my opinion be prevented from posting on this forum.
> Christine
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> From: Angie Telepenko
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> Did nobody notice that the original poster who brought up the topic was vermeertwo, who has been a known troll on this list for a long time. In his post he said HE suggests that Richard's bones be put in a glass container. This is all a clever wind-up. :-)
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