re George and Isobels bones
re George and Isobels bones
2013-01-12 00:57:09
Where are photos of George and Isobels bones to be seen? Ive looked at so many ancient artifacts in museums all over the world, over many years&.that I view this kind of artifact viewing, somewhat the same&.and in a way an aid in making some sort of connection to the Plantagenets. I feel each of us can approach this rather delicate matter, in our individual ways&.I would view this experience as an ultimate one for an amateur historian, and it would be done with proper awe and deepest respect. Carol D.
Re: re George and Isobels bones
2013-01-12 02:56:19
I tend to agree with you, with reservation, as I remember going with my father(a doctor) to a reinterment of several burials in Wakefield that had to be moved due to road expansion. The burials dated from the late 16Cent through to the 18th Cent many of the occupants were remarkably well preserved covered in a white powder that later was found to be arsenic. Full and complete respect was given to both the disinterment and the later reinterment. Detailed photographs were taken by the local historians and I believe Leeds Uni also.
However as for displaying skeletal remains I would suggest that apart from anthropology or forensic evidence one set of bones be they royal or serf is much the same as another.
I can therefore see no benefit in a fully investigated body being placed on public view!
George
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On Jan 11, 2013, at 7:57 PM, Carol Darling <cdarlingart1@...> wrote:
> Where are photos of George and Isobels bones to be seen? Ive looked at so many ancient artifacts in museums all over the world, over many years&.that I view this kind of artifact viewing, somewhat the same&.and in a way an aid in making some sort of connection to the Plantagenets. I feel each of us can approach this rather delicate matter, in our individual ways&.I would view this experience as an ultimate one for an amateur historian, and it would be done with proper awe and deepest respect. Carol D.
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However as for displaying skeletal remains I would suggest that apart from anthropology or forensic evidence one set of bones be they royal or serf is much the same as another.
I can therefore see no benefit in a fully investigated body being placed on public view!
George
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On Jan 11, 2013, at 7:57 PM, Carol Darling <cdarlingart1@...> wrote:
> Where are photos of George and Isobels bones to be seen? Ive looked at so many ancient artifacts in museums all over the world, over many years&.that I view this kind of artifact viewing, somewhat the same&.and in a way an aid in making some sort of connection to the Plantagenets. I feel each of us can approach this rather delicate matter, in our individual ways&.I would view this experience as an ultimate one for an amateur historian, and it would be done with proper awe and deepest respect. Carol D.
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Re: re George and Isobels bones
2013-01-12 11:37:23
Just go to google search, type in "george & isabel's bones" and several photos will turn up within one or two articles. Maire.
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> Where are photos of George and Isobels bones to be seen? Ive looked at so many ancient artifacts in museums all over the world, over many years….that I view this kind of artifact viewing, somewhat the same….and in a way an aid in making some sort of connection to the Plantagenets. I feel each of us can approach this rather delicate matter, in our individual ways….I would view this experience as an ultimate one for an amateur historian, and it would be done with proper awe and deepest respect. Carol D.
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--- In , Carol Darling wrote:
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> Where are photos of George and Isobels bones to be seen? Ive looked at so many ancient artifacts in museums all over the world, over many years….that I view this kind of artifact viewing, somewhat the same….and in a way an aid in making some sort of connection to the Plantagenets. I feel each of us can approach this rather delicate matter, in our individual ways….I would view this experience as an ultimate one for an amateur historian, and it would be done with proper awe and deepest respect. Carol D.
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Re: re George and Isobels bones
2013-01-12 12:36:18
Hi, Maire & Carol -
As I mention in my other email, there is a picture in the P.W. Hammond book,
*The Battles of Barnet and Tewkesbury,* which I just purchased from the
Society. It's at p. 112 of the book.
Just out of curiosity, how is it that George and Isabel's bones would have
gotten to Tewkesbury anyway? Since they are in a casket, I presume they were
buried/interred and later disinterred or their tomb opened and the bones
placed in the casket. But apparently they are not certain that these are
*their* bones. Perhaps this is another possible case where DNA analysis
might be useful?
Loyaulte me lie,
Johanne
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Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 7:37 AM
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Subject: Re: re George and Isobels bones
Just go to google search, type in "george & isabel's bones" and several
photos will turn up within one or two articles. Maire.
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<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> , Carol Darling wrote:
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> Where are photos of George and Isobels bones to be seen? Ive looked at so
many ancient artifacts in museums all over the world, over many years..that
I view this kind of artifact viewing, somewhat the same..and in a way an aid
in making some sort of connection to the Plantagenets. I feel each of us can
approach this rather delicate matter, in our individual ways..I would view
this experience as an ultimate one for an amateur historian, and it would be
done with proper awe and deepest respect. Carol D.
>
As I mention in my other email, there is a picture in the P.W. Hammond book,
*The Battles of Barnet and Tewkesbury,* which I just purchased from the
Society. It's at p. 112 of the book.
Just out of curiosity, how is it that George and Isabel's bones would have
gotten to Tewkesbury anyway? Since they are in a casket, I presume they were
buried/interred and later disinterred or their tomb opened and the bones
placed in the casket. But apparently they are not certain that these are
*their* bones. Perhaps this is another possible case where DNA analysis
might be useful?
Loyaulte me lie,
Johanne
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Johanne L. Tournier
Email - jltournier60@...
or jltournier@...
"With God, all things are possible."
- Jesus of Nazareth
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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From:
[mailto:] On Behalf Of mairemulholland
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 7:37 AM
To:
Subject: Re: re George and Isobels bones
Just go to google search, type in "george & isabel's bones" and several
photos will turn up within one or two articles. Maire.
--- In
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> , Carol Darling wrote:
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> Where are photos of George and Isobels bones to be seen? Ive looked at so
many ancient artifacts in museums all over the world, over many years..that
I view this kind of artifact viewing, somewhat the same..and in a way an aid
in making some sort of connection to the Plantagenets. I feel each of us can
approach this rather delicate matter, in our individual ways..I would view
this experience as an ultimate one for an amateur historian, and it would be
done with proper awe and deepest respect. Carol D.
>
Re: re George and Isobels bones
2013-01-12 17:20:56
I'm sure I remember reading fairly recently that these bones have been examined and cannot be George and Isabel. There are three individuals, one of them a female aged 60+. Was it in John Ashdown-Hill's latest book - the one where he explains the tracing of that vital mtDNA? Unfortunately I can't remember.