Historical accuracy in tv - OT
Historical accuracy in tv - OT
2013-01-13 11:08:41
The latest Medieval epic began on British tv last night Ken Follett's Word Without End, and accuracy went straight out the window.
Edward II is deposed and succeeded by an actor that is fey, sallow and aesthetic looking, hardly the macho man Edward III was. Edward II is buried in a grand service in Westminster Cathedral [not Abbey] though he was actually buried, without much ceremony, in Gloucester. Edward III takes over and hangs Mortimer [not behead - too messy] but Isabella still rules!
Westminster Palace is a huge castle surrounded by water.
Enter the villains, all chewing the scenery and twisting their moustaches, while the heroes chins stick proudly out, and the heroines simper and look chaste. Scheming prioress, a poisoning sister, an innocent exotic looking local healer, a superstitious old fraud of a monk calling himself doctor, a builder who gets married in a cathedral..it goes on and on as cliché after cliché barges it's way onto screen.
No wonder false stories of history abound and so many dead men are daily slandered when drivel like this gets prime time.
Nice frocks though!!
Paul
Richard Liveth Yet!
Edward II is deposed and succeeded by an actor that is fey, sallow and aesthetic looking, hardly the macho man Edward III was. Edward II is buried in a grand service in Westminster Cathedral [not Abbey] though he was actually buried, without much ceremony, in Gloucester. Edward III takes over and hangs Mortimer [not behead - too messy] but Isabella still rules!
Westminster Palace is a huge castle surrounded by water.
Enter the villains, all chewing the scenery and twisting their moustaches, while the heroes chins stick proudly out, and the heroines simper and look chaste. Scheming prioress, a poisoning sister, an innocent exotic looking local healer, a superstitious old fraud of a monk calling himself doctor, a builder who gets married in a cathedral..it goes on and on as cliché after cliché barges it's way onto screen.
No wonder false stories of history abound and so many dead men are daily slandered when drivel like this gets prime time.
Nice frocks though!!
Paul
Richard Liveth Yet!
Re: Historical accuracy in tv - OT
2013-01-13 11:41:49
My sentiments exactly, Paul! And married women with their hair down and uncovered, aaagghh!
Jacq
To:
From: paul.bale@...
Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 11:08:37 +0000
Subject: Historical accuracy in tv - OT
The latest Medieval epic began on British tv last night Ken Follett's Word Without End, and accuracy went straight out the window.
Edward II is deposed and succeeded by an actor that is fey, sallow and aesthetic looking, hardly the macho man Edward III was. Edward II is buried in a grand service in Westminster Cathedral [not Abbey] though he was actually buried, without much ceremony, in Gloucester. Edward III takes over and hangs Mortimer [not behead - too messy] but Isabella still rules!
Westminster Palace is a huge castle surrounded by water.
Enter the villains, all chewing the scenery and twisting their moustaches, while the heroes chins stick proudly out, and the heroines simper and look chaste. Scheming prioress, a poisoning sister, an innocent exotic looking local healer, a superstitious old fraud of a monk calling himself doctor, a builder who gets married in a cathedral..it goes on and on as clichý after clichý barges it's way onto screen.
No wonder false stories of history abound and so many dead men are daily slandered when drivel like this gets prime time.
Nice frocks though!!
Paul
Richard Liveth Yet!
Jacq
To:
From: paul.bale@...
Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 11:08:37 +0000
Subject: Historical accuracy in tv - OT
The latest Medieval epic began on British tv last night Ken Follett's Word Without End, and accuracy went straight out the window.
Edward II is deposed and succeeded by an actor that is fey, sallow and aesthetic looking, hardly the macho man Edward III was. Edward II is buried in a grand service in Westminster Cathedral [not Abbey] though he was actually buried, without much ceremony, in Gloucester. Edward III takes over and hangs Mortimer [not behead - too messy] but Isabella still rules!
Westminster Palace is a huge castle surrounded by water.
Enter the villains, all chewing the scenery and twisting their moustaches, while the heroes chins stick proudly out, and the heroines simper and look chaste. Scheming prioress, a poisoning sister, an innocent exotic looking local healer, a superstitious old fraud of a monk calling himself doctor, a builder who gets married in a cathedral..it goes on and on as clichý after clichý barges it's way onto screen.
No wonder false stories of history abound and so many dead men are daily slandered when drivel like this gets prime time.
Nice frocks though!!
Paul
Richard Liveth Yet!
Re: Historical accuracy in tv - OT
2013-01-13 14:09:38
I am so glad I didn't watch it (I watch Borgen). I saw the last Follett but spent most of my time watching Rufus Sewell rather than concentrating on what passed for the plot. I did notice holes in that one too though.
Wait till the Gregory thing start - I might keep a notebook and tally up all the errors at the end of each episode.
Liz
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From: Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@...>
To: RichardIIISociety forum <>
Sent: Sunday, 13 January 2013, 11:08
Subject: Historical accuracy in tv - OT
The latest Medieval epic began on British tv last night Ken Follett's Word Without End, and accuracy went straight out the window.
Edward II is deposed and succeeded by an actor that is fey, sallow and aesthetic looking, hardly the macho man Edward III was. Edward II is buried in a grand service in Westminster Cathedral [not Abbey] though he was actually buried, without much ceremony, in Gloucester. Edward III takes over and hangs Mortimer [not behead - too messy] but Isabella still rules!
Westminster Palace is a huge castle surrounded by water.
Enter the villains, all chewing the scenery and twisting their moustaches, while the heroes chins stick proudly out, and the heroines simper and look chaste. Scheming prioress, a poisoning sister, an innocent exotic looking local healer, a superstitious old fraud of a monk calling himself doctor, a builder who gets married in a cathedral..it goes on and on as cliché after cliché barges it's way onto screen.
No wonder false stories of history abound and so many dead men are daily slandered when drivel like this gets prime time.
Nice frocks though!!
Paul
Richard Liveth Yet!
Wait till the Gregory thing start - I might keep a notebook and tally up all the errors at the end of each episode.
Liz
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From: Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@...>
To: RichardIIISociety forum <>
Sent: Sunday, 13 January 2013, 11:08
Subject: Historical accuracy in tv - OT
The latest Medieval epic began on British tv last night Ken Follett's Word Without End, and accuracy went straight out the window.
Edward II is deposed and succeeded by an actor that is fey, sallow and aesthetic looking, hardly the macho man Edward III was. Edward II is buried in a grand service in Westminster Cathedral [not Abbey] though he was actually buried, without much ceremony, in Gloucester. Edward III takes over and hangs Mortimer [not behead - too messy] but Isabella still rules!
Westminster Palace is a huge castle surrounded by water.
Enter the villains, all chewing the scenery and twisting their moustaches, while the heroes chins stick proudly out, and the heroines simper and look chaste. Scheming prioress, a poisoning sister, an innocent exotic looking local healer, a superstitious old fraud of a monk calling himself doctor, a builder who gets married in a cathedral..it goes on and on as cliché after cliché barges it's way onto screen.
No wonder false stories of history abound and so many dead men are daily slandered when drivel like this gets prime time.
Nice frocks though!!
Paul
Richard Liveth Yet!
Re: Historical accuracy in tv - OT
2013-01-13 15:09:13
Thank you Paul for posting this. I was out last night and was going to watch on iplayer or whatever they call it on Channel 4. I won't bother now and it will save my blood pressure and my broadband.
Regards
Mary
--- In , Paul Trevor Bale wrote:
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> The latest Medieval epic began on British tv last night Ken Follett's Word Without End, and accuracy went straight out the window.
> Edward II is deposed and succeeded by an actor that is fey, sallow and aesthetic looking, hardly the macho man Edward III was. Edward II is buried in a grand service in Westminster Cathedral [not Abbey] though he was actually buried, without much ceremony, in Gloucester. Edward III takes over and hangs Mortimer [not behead - too messy] but Isabella still rules!
> Westminster Palace is a huge castle surrounded by water.
> Enter the villains, all chewing the scenery and twisting their moustaches, while the heroes chins stick proudly out, and the heroines simper and look chaste. Scheming prioress, a poisoning sister, an innocent exotic looking local healer, a superstitious old fraud of a monk calling himself doctor, a builder who gets married in a cathedral..it goes on and on as cliché after cliché barges it's way onto screen.
>
> No wonder false stories of history abound and so many dead men are daily slandered when drivel like this gets prime time.
>
> Nice frocks though!!
> Paul
>
>
> Richard Liveth Yet!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Regards
Mary
--- In , Paul Trevor Bale wrote:
>
> The latest Medieval epic began on British tv last night Ken Follett's Word Without End, and accuracy went straight out the window.
> Edward II is deposed and succeeded by an actor that is fey, sallow and aesthetic looking, hardly the macho man Edward III was. Edward II is buried in a grand service in Westminster Cathedral [not Abbey] though he was actually buried, without much ceremony, in Gloucester. Edward III takes over and hangs Mortimer [not behead - too messy] but Isabella still rules!
> Westminster Palace is a huge castle surrounded by water.
> Enter the villains, all chewing the scenery and twisting their moustaches, while the heroes chins stick proudly out, and the heroines simper and look chaste. Scheming prioress, a poisoning sister, an innocent exotic looking local healer, a superstitious old fraud of a monk calling himself doctor, a builder who gets married in a cathedral..it goes on and on as cliché after cliché barges it's way onto screen.
>
> No wonder false stories of history abound and so many dead men are daily slandered when drivel like this gets prime time.
>
> Nice frocks though!!
> Paul
>
>
> Richard Liveth Yet!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Re: Historical accuracy in tv - OT
2013-01-13 16:09:14
Eeeeeew I didnt like it much at all....I didnt like the previous one...and I didnt persevere with it after the first episode. I also started to read one of Follett's books as someone got it for me as they thought I would love it as they had...but I just couldnt get on with it at all. By the way...did they really use dung on wounds???
Eileen
On 13 Jan 2013, at 14:09, liz williams wrote:
> I am so glad I didn't watch it (I watch Borgen). I saw the last Follett but spent most of my time watching Rufus Sewell rather than concentrating on what passed for the plot. I did notice holes in that one too though.
>
> Wait till the Gregory thing start - I might keep a notebook and tally up all the errors at the end of each episode.
>
> Liz
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Paul Trevor Bale paul.bale@...>
> To: RichardIIISociety forum >
> Sent: Sunday, 13 January 2013, 11:08
> Subject: Historical accuracy in tv - OT
>
>
> The latest Medieval epic began on British tv last night Ken Follett's Word Without End, and accuracy went straight out the window.
> Edward II is deposed and succeeded by an actor that is fey, sallow and aesthetic looking, hardly the macho man Edward III was. Edward II is buried in a grand service in Westminster Cathedral [not Abbey] though he was actually buried, without much ceremony, in Gloucester. Edward III takes over and hangs Mortimer [not behead - too messy] but Isabella still rules!
> Westminster Palace is a huge castle surrounded by water.
> Enter the villains, all chewing the scenery and twisting their moustaches, while the heroes chins stick proudly out, and the heroines simper and look chaste. Scheming prioress, a poisoning sister, an innocent exotic looking local healer, a superstitious old fraud of a monk calling himself doctor, a builder who gets married in a cathedral..it goes on and on as clichý after clichý barges it's way onto screen.
>
> No wonder false stories of history abound and so many dead men are daily slandered when drivel like this gets prime time.
>
> Nice frocks though!!
> Paul
>
> Richard Liveth Yet!
>
>
>
>
>
>
Eileen
On 13 Jan 2013, at 14:09, liz williams wrote:
> I am so glad I didn't watch it (I watch Borgen). I saw the last Follett but spent most of my time watching Rufus Sewell rather than concentrating on what passed for the plot. I did notice holes in that one too though.
>
> Wait till the Gregory thing start - I might keep a notebook and tally up all the errors at the end of each episode.
>
> Liz
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Paul Trevor Bale paul.bale@...>
> To: RichardIIISociety forum >
> Sent: Sunday, 13 January 2013, 11:08
> Subject: Historical accuracy in tv - OT
>
>
> The latest Medieval epic began on British tv last night Ken Follett's Word Without End, and accuracy went straight out the window.
> Edward II is deposed and succeeded by an actor that is fey, sallow and aesthetic looking, hardly the macho man Edward III was. Edward II is buried in a grand service in Westminster Cathedral [not Abbey] though he was actually buried, without much ceremony, in Gloucester. Edward III takes over and hangs Mortimer [not behead - too messy] but Isabella still rules!
> Westminster Palace is a huge castle surrounded by water.
> Enter the villains, all chewing the scenery and twisting their moustaches, while the heroes chins stick proudly out, and the heroines simper and look chaste. Scheming prioress, a poisoning sister, an innocent exotic looking local healer, a superstitious old fraud of a monk calling himself doctor, a builder who gets married in a cathedral..it goes on and on as clichý after clichý barges it's way onto screen.
>
> No wonder false stories of history abound and so many dead men are daily slandered when drivel like this gets prime time.
>
> Nice frocks though!!
> Paul
>
> Richard Liveth Yet!
>
>
>
>
>
>
Re: Historical accuracy in tv - OT
2013-01-13 16:54:35
SO is it Ken Follet who messed up or the tv production?
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From: liz williams <ferrymansdaughter@...>
To: "" <>
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 9:09 AM
Subject: Re: Historical accuracy in tv - OT
I am so glad I didn't watch it (I watch Borgen). I saw the last Follett but spent most of my time watching Rufus Sewell rather than concentrating on what passed for the plot. I did notice holes in that one too though.
Wait till the Gregory thing start - I might keep a notebook and tally up all the errors at the end of each episode.
Liz
________________________________
From: Paul Trevor Bale paul.bale@...>
To: RichardIIISociety forum >
Sent: Sunday, 13 January 2013, 11:08
Subject: Historical accuracy in tv - OT
The latest Medieval epic began on British tv last night Ken Follett's Word Without End, and accuracy went straight out the window.
Edward II is deposed and succeeded by an actor that is fey, sallow and aesthetic looking, hardly the macho man Edward III was. Edward II is buried in a grand service in Westminster Cathedral [not Abbey] though he was actually buried, without much ceremony, in Gloucester. Edward III takes over and hangs Mortimer [not behead - too messy] but Isabella still rules!
Westminster Palace is a huge castle surrounded by water.
Enter the villains, all chewing the scenery and twisting their moustaches, while the heroes chins stick proudly out, and the heroines simper and look chaste. Scheming prioress, a poisoning sister, an innocent exotic looking local healer, a superstitious old fraud of a monk calling himself doctor, a builder who gets married in a cathedral..it goes on and on as cliché after cliché barges it's way onto screen.
No wonder false stories of history abound and so many dead men are daily slandered when drivel like this gets prime time.
Nice frocks though!!
Paul
Richard Liveth Yet!
________________________________
From: liz williams <ferrymansdaughter@...>
To: "" <>
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 9:09 AM
Subject: Re: Historical accuracy in tv - OT
I am so glad I didn't watch it (I watch Borgen). I saw the last Follett but spent most of my time watching Rufus Sewell rather than concentrating on what passed for the plot. I did notice holes in that one too though.
Wait till the Gregory thing start - I might keep a notebook and tally up all the errors at the end of each episode.
Liz
________________________________
From: Paul Trevor Bale paul.bale@...>
To: RichardIIISociety forum >
Sent: Sunday, 13 January 2013, 11:08
Subject: Historical accuracy in tv - OT
The latest Medieval epic began on British tv last night Ken Follett's Word Without End, and accuracy went straight out the window.
Edward II is deposed and succeeded by an actor that is fey, sallow and aesthetic looking, hardly the macho man Edward III was. Edward II is buried in a grand service in Westminster Cathedral [not Abbey] though he was actually buried, without much ceremony, in Gloucester. Edward III takes over and hangs Mortimer [not behead - too messy] but Isabella still rules!
Westminster Palace is a huge castle surrounded by water.
Enter the villains, all chewing the scenery and twisting their moustaches, while the heroes chins stick proudly out, and the heroines simper and look chaste. Scheming prioress, a poisoning sister, an innocent exotic looking local healer, a superstitious old fraud of a monk calling himself doctor, a builder who gets married in a cathedral..it goes on and on as cliché after cliché barges it's way onto screen.
No wonder false stories of history abound and so many dead men are daily slandered when drivel like this gets prime time.
Nice frocks though!!
Paul
Richard Liveth Yet!
Re: Historical accuracy in tv - OT
2013-01-13 18:20:39
Obviously alternate universe, and must have a subversive American producer. This is what happens when Hollywood owns the book and creates the script.
Paul wrote:
> The latest Medieval epic began on British tv last night Ken Follett's Word Without End, and accuracy went straight out the window. Edward II is deposed and succeeded by an actor that is fey, sallow and aesthetic looking, hardly the macho man Edward III was.
I can't wait to see how they cast James I.
> Edward II is buried in a grand service in Westminster Cathedral [not Abbey] though he was actually buried, without much ceremony, in Gloucester. Edward III takes over and hangs Mortimer [not behead - too messy] but Isabella still rules!
Isabella rules without Mortimer? How is that even possible, plotwise -- never mind historywise?
> Westminster Palace is a huge castle surrounded by water.
When did Westminster move to old Glastonbury? This is starting to sound like a really bad video game. Which castle are they using, or is it CGI?
Did Follett write it this way (e.g., Mortimer and Westminster Cathedral, et. al.) or did the producers rewrite it?
Paul wrote:
> The latest Medieval epic began on British tv last night Ken Follett's Word Without End, and accuracy went straight out the window. Edward II is deposed and succeeded by an actor that is fey, sallow and aesthetic looking, hardly the macho man Edward III was.
I can't wait to see how they cast James I.
> Edward II is buried in a grand service in Westminster Cathedral [not Abbey] though he was actually buried, without much ceremony, in Gloucester. Edward III takes over and hangs Mortimer [not behead - too messy] but Isabella still rules!
Isabella rules without Mortimer? How is that even possible, plotwise -- never mind historywise?
> Westminster Palace is a huge castle surrounded by water.
When did Westminster move to old Glastonbury? This is starting to sound like a really bad video game. Which castle are they using, or is it CGI?
Did Follett write it this way (e.g., Mortimer and Westminster Cathedral, et. al.) or did the producers rewrite it?
Re: Historical accuracy in tv - OT
2013-01-13 19:15:18
So the truth was completely Folletted.
----- Original Message -----
From: wednesday_mc
To:
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 6:20 PM
Subject: Re: Historical accuracy in tv - OT
Obviously alternate universe, and must have a subversive American producer. This is what happens when Hollywood owns the book and creates the script.
Paul wrote:
> The latest Medieval epic began on British tv last night Ken Follett's Word Without End, and accuracy went straight out the window. Edward II is deposed and succeeded by an actor that is fey, sallow and aesthetic looking, hardly the macho man Edward III was.
I can't wait to see how they cast James I.
> Edward II is buried in a grand service in Westminster Cathedral [not Abbey] though he was actually buried, without much ceremony, in Gloucester. Edward III takes over and hangs Mortimer [not behead - too messy] but Isabella still rules!
Isabella rules without Mortimer? How is that even possible, plotwise -- never mind historywise?
> Westminster Palace is a huge castle surrounded by water.
When did Westminster move to old Glastonbury? This is starting to sound like a really bad video game. Which castle are they using, or is it CGI?
Did Follett write it this way (e.g., Mortimer and Westminster Cathedral, et. al.) or did the producers rewrite it?
----- Original Message -----
From: wednesday_mc
To:
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 6:20 PM
Subject: Re: Historical accuracy in tv - OT
Obviously alternate universe, and must have a subversive American producer. This is what happens when Hollywood owns the book and creates the script.
Paul wrote:
> The latest Medieval epic began on British tv last night Ken Follett's Word Without End, and accuracy went straight out the window. Edward II is deposed and succeeded by an actor that is fey, sallow and aesthetic looking, hardly the macho man Edward III was.
I can't wait to see how they cast James I.
> Edward II is buried in a grand service in Westminster Cathedral [not Abbey] though he was actually buried, without much ceremony, in Gloucester. Edward III takes over and hangs Mortimer [not behead - too messy] but Isabella still rules!
Isabella rules without Mortimer? How is that even possible, plotwise -- never mind historywise?
> Westminster Palace is a huge castle surrounded by water.
When did Westminster move to old Glastonbury? This is starting to sound like a really bad video game. Which castle are they using, or is it CGI?
Did Follett write it this way (e.g., Mortimer and Westminster Cathedral, et. al.) or did the producers rewrite it?
Re: Historical accuracy in tv - OT
2013-01-13 19:28:32
Good word "Folletted" we could all suggest definitions with the winner being submitted to Webster's or The Oxford English Dictionary
George
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On Jan 13, 2013, at 2:15 PM, "Stephen Lark" <stephenmlark@...> wrote:
> So the truth was completely Folletted.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: wednesday_mc
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 6:20 PM
> Subject: Re: Historical accuracy in tv - OT
>
> Obviously alternate universe, and must have a subversive American producer. This is what happens when Hollywood owns the book and creates the script.
>
> Paul wrote:
>
> > The latest Medieval epic began on British tv last night Ken Follett's Word Without End, and accuracy went straight out the window. Edward II is deposed and succeeded by an actor that is fey, sallow and aesthetic looking, hardly the macho man Edward III was.
>
> I can't wait to see how they cast James I.
>
> > Edward II is buried in a grand service in Westminster Cathedral [not Abbey] though he was actually buried, without much ceremony, in Gloucester. Edward III takes over and hangs Mortimer [not behead - too messy] but Isabella still rules!
>
> Isabella rules without Mortimer? How is that even possible, plotwise -- never mind historywise?
>
> > Westminster Palace is a huge castle surrounded by water.
>
> When did Westminster move to old Glastonbury? This is starting to sound like a really bad video game. Which castle are they using, or is it CGI?
>
> Did Follett write it this way (e.g., Mortimer and Westminster Cathedral, et. al.) or did the producers rewrite it?
>
>
>
>
George
Sent from my iPad
On Jan 13, 2013, at 2:15 PM, "Stephen Lark" <stephenmlark@...> wrote:
> So the truth was completely Folletted.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: wednesday_mc
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 6:20 PM
> Subject: Re: Historical accuracy in tv - OT
>
> Obviously alternate universe, and must have a subversive American producer. This is what happens when Hollywood owns the book and creates the script.
>
> Paul wrote:
>
> > The latest Medieval epic began on British tv last night Ken Follett's Word Without End, and accuracy went straight out the window. Edward II is deposed and succeeded by an actor that is fey, sallow and aesthetic looking, hardly the macho man Edward III was.
>
> I can't wait to see how they cast James I.
>
> > Edward II is buried in a grand service in Westminster Cathedral [not Abbey] though he was actually buried, without much ceremony, in Gloucester. Edward III takes over and hangs Mortimer [not behead - too messy] but Isabella still rules!
>
> Isabella rules without Mortimer? How is that even possible, plotwise -- never mind historywise?
>
> > Westminster Palace is a huge castle surrounded by water.
>
> When did Westminster move to old Glastonbury? This is starting to sound like a really bad video game. Which castle are they using, or is it CGI?
>
> Did Follett write it this way (e.g., Mortimer and Westminster Cathedral, et. al.) or did the producers rewrite it?
>
>
>
>
Re: Historical accuracy in tv - OT
2013-01-13 20:03:05
Yeah..."Folletted" and his sister "Wubbished"...:0) Eileen
--- In , George Butterfield wrote:
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> Good word "Folletted" we could all suggest definitions with the winner being submitted to Webster's or The Oxford English Dictionary
> George
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jan 13, 2013, at 2:15 PM, "Stephen Lark" wrote:
>
> > So the truth was completely Folletted.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: wednesday_mc
> > To:
> > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 6:20 PM
> > Subject: Re: Historical accuracy in tv - OT
> >
> > Obviously alternate universe, and must have a subversive American producer. This is what happens when Hollywood owns the book and creates the script.
> >
> > Paul wrote:
> >
> > > The latest Medieval epic began on British tv last night Ken Follett's Word Without End, and accuracy went straight out the window. Edward II is deposed and succeeded by an actor that is fey, sallow and aesthetic looking, hardly the macho man Edward III was.
> >
> > I can't wait to see how they cast James I.
> >
> > > Edward II is buried in a grand service in Westminster Cathedral [not Abbey] though he was actually buried, without much ceremony, in Gloucester. Edward III takes over and hangs Mortimer [not behead - too messy] but Isabella still rules!
> >
> > Isabella rules without Mortimer? How is that even possible, plotwise -- never mind historywise?
> >
> > > Westminster Palace is a huge castle surrounded by water.
> >
> > When did Westminster move to old Glastonbury? This is starting to sound like a really bad video game. Which castle are they using, or is it CGI?
> >
> > Did Follett write it this way (e.g., Mortimer and Westminster Cathedral, et. al.) or did the producers rewrite it?
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
--- In , George Butterfield wrote:
>
> Good word "Folletted" we could all suggest definitions with the winner being submitted to Webster's or The Oxford English Dictionary
> George
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jan 13, 2013, at 2:15 PM, "Stephen Lark" wrote:
>
> > So the truth was completely Folletted.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: wednesday_mc
> > To:
> > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 6:20 PM
> > Subject: Re: Historical accuracy in tv - OT
> >
> > Obviously alternate universe, and must have a subversive American producer. This is what happens when Hollywood owns the book and creates the script.
> >
> > Paul wrote:
> >
> > > The latest Medieval epic began on British tv last night Ken Follett's Word Without End, and accuracy went straight out the window. Edward II is deposed and succeeded by an actor that is fey, sallow and aesthetic looking, hardly the macho man Edward III was.
> >
> > I can't wait to see how they cast James I.
> >
> > > Edward II is buried in a grand service in Westminster Cathedral [not Abbey] though he was actually buried, without much ceremony, in Gloucester. Edward III takes over and hangs Mortimer [not behead - too messy] but Isabella still rules!
> >
> > Isabella rules without Mortimer? How is that even possible, plotwise -- never mind historywise?
> >
> > > Westminster Palace is a huge castle surrounded by water.
> >
> > When did Westminster move to old Glastonbury? This is starting to sound like a really bad video game. Which castle are they using, or is it CGI?
> >
> > Did Follett write it this way (e.g., Mortimer and Westminster Cathedral, et. al.) or did the producers rewrite it?
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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>
Re: Historical accuracy in tv - OT
2013-01-13 21:18:30
Paul, Trouble is people like my thirty-something 'educated' daughters think this is great - bring on 'The Tudors', 'Rome' and particularly 'Game of Thrones' (Sean Bean still has appeal!). I do wish they'd stop ramming 'Game of Thrones' down my throat as a true representation of the WOTR! They know it's not the real thing (or at least I hope they do) but they've been groomed by Hollywood to expect nonstop action, entertainment, doom, you name it.
I get more than cross - where did I fail?? And to think I've a child whose Linkedin profile lists a specialism in 'Ancient Erotica'(and she works for the BBC). Hilary
--- In , Paul Trevor Bale wrote:
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> The latest Medieval epic began on British tv last night Ken Follett's Word Without End, and accuracy went straight out the window.
> Edward II is deposed and succeeded by an actor that is fey, sallow and aesthetic looking, hardly the macho man Edward III was. Edward II is buried in a grand service in Westminster Cathedral [not Abbey] though he was actually buried, without much ceremony, in Gloucester. Edward III takes over and hangs Mortimer [not behead - too messy] but Isabella still rules!
> Westminster Palace is a huge castle surrounded by water.
> Enter the villains, all chewing the scenery and twisting their moustaches, while the heroes chins stick proudly out, and the heroines simper and look chaste. Scheming prioress, a poisoning sister, an innocent exotic looking local healer, a superstitious old fraud of a monk calling himself doctor, a builder who gets married in a cathedral..it goes on and on as cliché after cliché barges it's way onto screen.
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> No wonder false stories of history abound and so many dead men are daily slandered when drivel like this gets prime time.
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> Nice frocks though!!
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I get more than cross - where did I fail?? And to think I've a child whose Linkedin profile lists a specialism in 'Ancient Erotica'(and she works for the BBC). Hilary
--- In , Paul Trevor Bale wrote:
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> The latest Medieval epic began on British tv last night Ken Follett's Word Without End, and accuracy went straight out the window.
> Edward II is deposed and succeeded by an actor that is fey, sallow and aesthetic looking, hardly the macho man Edward III was. Edward II is buried in a grand service in Westminster Cathedral [not Abbey] though he was actually buried, without much ceremony, in Gloucester. Edward III takes over and hangs Mortimer [not behead - too messy] but Isabella still rules!
> Westminster Palace is a huge castle surrounded by water.
> Enter the villains, all chewing the scenery and twisting their moustaches, while the heroes chins stick proudly out, and the heroines simper and look chaste. Scheming prioress, a poisoning sister, an innocent exotic looking local healer, a superstitious old fraud of a monk calling himself doctor, a builder who gets married in a cathedral..it goes on and on as cliché after cliché barges it's way onto screen.
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> No wonder false stories of history abound and so many dead men are daily slandered when drivel like this gets prime time.
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> Nice frocks though!!
> Paul
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> Richard Liveth Yet!
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Re: Historical accuracy in tv - OT
2013-01-17 01:26:22
It will be the tv people. The review said this differed a LOT from the book although I'm not sure how accurate the book was. I have to say if I was an author I would find it very difficult if a tv company messed my story about but I guess they just sit back, count the money and watch something else.
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From: Ishita Bandyo <bandyoi@...>
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Sent: Sunday, 13 January 2013, 16:54
Subject: Re: Historical accuracy in tv - OT
SO is it Ken Follet who messed up or the tv production?
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From: liz williams mailto:ferrymansdaughter%40btinternet.com>
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Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 9:09 AM
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I am so glad I didn't watch it (I watch Borgen). I saw the last Follett but spent most of my time watching Rufus Sewell rather than concentrating on what passed for the plot. I did notice holes in that one too though.
Wait till the Gregory thing start - I might keep a notebook and tally up all the errors at the end of each episode.
Liz
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From: Paul Trevor Bale mailto:paul.bale%40sky.com>
To: RichardIIISociety forum mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, 13 January 2013, 11:08
Subject: Historical accuracy in tv - OT
The latest Medieval epic began on British tv last night Ken Follett's Word Without End, and accuracy went straight out the window.
Edward II is deposed and succeeded by an actor that is fey, sallow and aesthetic looking, hardly the macho man Edward III was. Edward II is buried in a grand service in Westminster Cathedral [not Abbey] though he was actually buried, without much ceremony, in Gloucester. Edward III takes over and hangs Mortimer [not behead - too messy] but Isabella still rules!
Westminster Palace is a huge castle surrounded by water.
Enter the villains, all chewing the scenery and twisting their moustaches, while the heroes chins stick proudly out, and the heroines simper and look chaste. Scheming prioress, a poisoning sister, an innocent exotic looking local healer, a superstitious old fraud of a monk calling himself doctor, a builder who gets married in a cathedral..it goes on and on as cliché after cliché barges it's way onto screen.
No wonder false stories of history abound and so many dead men are daily slandered when drivel like this gets prime time.
Nice frocks though!!
Paul
Richard Liveth Yet!
________________________________
From: Ishita Bandyo <bandyoi@...>
To: "" <>
Sent: Sunday, 13 January 2013, 16:54
Subject: Re: Historical accuracy in tv - OT
SO is it Ken Follet who messed up or the tv production?
________________________________
From: liz williams mailto:ferrymansdaughter%40btinternet.com>
To: "mailto:%40yahoogroups.com" mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 9:09 AM
Subject: Re: Historical accuracy in tv - OT
I am so glad I didn't watch it (I watch Borgen). I saw the last Follett but spent most of my time watching Rufus Sewell rather than concentrating on what passed for the plot. I did notice holes in that one too though.
Wait till the Gregory thing start - I might keep a notebook and tally up all the errors at the end of each episode.
Liz
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From: Paul Trevor Bale mailto:paul.bale%40sky.com>
To: RichardIIISociety forum mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, 13 January 2013, 11:08
Subject: Historical accuracy in tv - OT
The latest Medieval epic began on British tv last night Ken Follett's Word Without End, and accuracy went straight out the window.
Edward II is deposed and succeeded by an actor that is fey, sallow and aesthetic looking, hardly the macho man Edward III was. Edward II is buried in a grand service in Westminster Cathedral [not Abbey] though he was actually buried, without much ceremony, in Gloucester. Edward III takes over and hangs Mortimer [not behead - too messy] but Isabella still rules!
Westminster Palace is a huge castle surrounded by water.
Enter the villains, all chewing the scenery and twisting their moustaches, while the heroes chins stick proudly out, and the heroines simper and look chaste. Scheming prioress, a poisoning sister, an innocent exotic looking local healer, a superstitious old fraud of a monk calling himself doctor, a builder who gets married in a cathedral..it goes on and on as cliché after cliché barges it's way onto screen.
No wonder false stories of history abound and so many dead men are daily slandered when drivel like this gets prime time.
Nice frocks though!!
Paul
Richard Liveth Yet!
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