re skull

Re skull&.I feel so privileged almost beyond words. Decades of wishing for some kind of connection to this man I admired and wanted to help to improve his historical record. Here he is and we can make this contact because of the indescribable determination of several like minded people. Being able to view his remains is the most incredible gift. This is one of the greatest and unique moments in my life, and Im glad I share it with so many very worthy people. We have so much more to do, but as always we go willingly, and with new fire. Thank you dear fates, you have been kind to us. Carol D.

That's beautiful, Carol. It is wonderful to be able to share this with you all.
I feel chills.
Loyaulte me lie,
Johanne

-----Original Message-----

From: Carol Darling
Sent: 4 Feb 2013 02:02:22 GMT
To:
Subject: re skull

Re skull&.I feel so privileged almost beyond words. Decades of wishing for some kind of connection to this man I admired and wanted to help to improve his historical record. Here he is and we can make this contact because of the indescribable determination of several like minded people. Being able to view his remains is the most incredible gift. This is one of the greatest and unique moments in my life, and Im glad I share it with so many very worthy people. We have so much more to do, but as always we go willingly, and with new fire. Thank you dear fates, you have been kind to us. Carol D.

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It seems a special responsibility to those of us who are here now to see it. So many labored so long, and didn't survive to see this day. Carrying on the work they did with dedication seems like the best tribute to those who kept the embers aglow: Dr. Buck, Walpole, Dr. Kendall, the Suttons, Dr. Visser-Fuchs, Dr. Horrox, Ms. Mackintosh, and so many others.

Three cheers for Philippa Langley, John Ashdown-Hill, and Annette Carson! The latest warriors in Richard's army, fighting a new type of battle!

--- In , Johanne Tournier wrote:
>
> That's beautiful, Carol. It is wonderful to be able to share this with you all.
> I feel chills.
> Loyaulte me lie,
> Johanne
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: Carol Darling
> Sent: 4 Feb 2013 02:02:22 GMT
> To:
> Subject: re skull
>
> Re skull….I feel so privileged almost beyond words. Decades of wishing for some kind of connection to this man I admired and wanted to help to improve his historical record. Here he is and we can make this contact because of the indescribable determination of several like minded people. Being able to view his remains is the most incredible gift. This is one of the greatest and unique moments in my life, and Im glad I share it with so many very worthy people. We have so much more to do, but as always we go willingly, and with new fire. Thank you dear fates, you have been kind to us. Carol D.
>
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>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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Hear hear! I would like to raise a glass in salute to the visionaries of the past and the present.
Johanne

-----Original Message-----

From: mcjohn_wt_net
Sent: 4 Feb 2013 02:12:57 GMT
To:
Subject: Re: re skull

It seems a special responsibility to those of us who are here now to see it. So many labored so long, and didn't survive to see this day. Carrying on the work they did with dedication seems like the best tribute to those who kept the embers aglow: Dr. Buck, Walpole, Dr. Kendall, the Suttons, Dr. Visser-Fuchs, Dr. Horrox, Ms. Mackintosh, and so many others.

Three cheers for Philippa Langley, John Ashdown-Hill, and Annette Carson! The latest warriors in Richard's army, fighting a new type of battle!

--- In , Johanne Tournier wrote:
>
> That's beautiful, Carol. It is wonderful to be able to share this with you all.
> I feel chills.
> Loyaulte me lie,
> Johanne
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: Carol Darling
> Sent: 4 Feb 2013 02:02:22 GMT
> To:
> Subject: re skull
>
> Re skull⬦.I feel so privileged almost beyond words. Decades of wishing for some kind of connection to this man I admired and wanted to help to improve his historical record. Here he is and we can make this contact because of the indescribable determination of several like minded people. Being able to view his remains is the most incredible gift. This is one of the greatest and unique moments in my life, and Im glad I share it with so many very worthy people. We have so much more to do, but as always we go willingly, and with new fire. Thank you dear fates, you have been kind to us. Carol D.
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>

Glad to be able to share this with you all!

Sent from my iPad

On Feb 3, 2013, at 9:16 PM, Johanne Tournier <jltournier60@...> wrote:

> Hear hear! I would like to raise a glass in salute to the visionaries of the past and the present.
> Johanne
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: mcjohn_wt_net
> Sent: 4 Feb 2013 02:12:57 GMT
> To:
> Subject: Re: re skull
>
> It seems a special responsibility to those of us who are here now to see it. So many labored so long, and didn't survive to see this day. Carrying on the work they did with dedication seems like the best tribute to those who kept the embers aglow: Dr. Buck, Walpole, Dr. Kendall, the Suttons, Dr. Visser-Fuchs, Dr. Horrox, Ms. Mackintosh, and so many others.
>
> Three cheers for Philippa Langley, John Ashdown-Hill, and Annette Carson! The latest warriors in Richard's army, fighting a new type of battle!
>
> --- In , Johanne Tournier wrote:
> >
> > That's beautiful, Carol. It is wonderful to be able to share this with you all.
> > I feel chills.
> > Loyaulte me lie,
> > Johanne
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >
> > From: Carol Darling
> > Sent: 4 Feb 2013 02:02:22 GMT
> > To:
> > Subject: re skull
> >
> > Re skull⬦.I feel so privileged almost beyond words. Decades of wishing for some kind of connection to this man I admired and wanted to help to improve his historical record. Here he is and we can make this contact because of the indescribable determination of several like minded people. Being able to view his remains is the most incredible gift. This is one of the greatest and unique moments in my life, and Im glad I share it with so many very worthy people. We have so much more to do, but as always we go willingly, and with new fire. Thank you dear fates, you have been kind to us. Carol D.
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
>
>
>
>

You too!
Hugs,
Johanne

-----Original Message-----

From: Ishita Bandyo
Sent: 4 Feb 2013 02:20:45 GMT
To:
Subject: Re: re skull

Glad to be able to share this with you all!

Sent from my iPad

On Feb 3, 2013, at 9:16 PM, Johanne Tournier <jltournier60@...> wrote:

> Hear hear! I would like to raise a glass in salute to the visionaries of the past and the present.
> Johanne
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: mcjohn_wt_net
> Sent: 4 Feb 2013 02:12:57 GMT
> To:
> Subject: Re: re skull
>
> It seems a special responsibility to those of us who are here now to see it. So many labored so long, and didn't survive to see this day. Carrying on the work they did with dedication seems like the best tribute to those who kept the embers aglow: Dr. Buck, Walpole, Dr. Kendall, the Suttons, Dr. Visser-Fuchs, Dr. Horrox, Ms. Mackintosh, and so many others.
>
> Three cheers for Philippa Langley, John Ashdown-Hill, and Annette Carson! The latest warriors in Richard's army, fighting a new type of battle!
>
> --- In , Johanne Tournier wrote:
> >
> > That's beautiful, Carol. It is wonderful to be able to share this with you all.
> > I feel chills.
> > Loyaulte me lie,
> > Johanne
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >
> > From: Carol Darling
> > Sent: 4 Feb 2013 02:02:22 GMT
> > To:
> > Subject: re skull
> >
> > Re skull⬦.I feel so privileged almost beyond words. Decades of wishing for some kind of connection to this man I admired and wanted to help to improve his historical record. Here he is and we can make this contact because of the indescribable determination of several like minded people. Being able to view his remains is the most incredible gift. This is one of the greatest and unique moments in my life, and Im glad I share it with so many very worthy people. We have so much more to do, but as always we go willingly, and with new fire. Thank you dear fates, you have been kind to us. Carol D.
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
>
>
>
>

I second that. Being able to share this moment with other like-minded
individuals who know and understand the emotion behind it is truly a
blessing.

Linda
--- In , Johanne Tournier wrote:
>
> Hear hear! I would like to raise a glass in salute to the visionaries
of the past and the present.
> Johanne
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: mcjohn_wt_net
> Sent: 4 Feb 2013 02:12:57 GMT
> To:
> Subject: Re: re skull
>
> It seems a special responsibility to those of us who are here now to
see it. So many labored so long, and didn't survive to see this day.
Carrying on the work they did with dedication seems like the best
tribute to those who kept the embers aglow: Dr. Buck, Walpole, Dr.
Kendall, the Suttons, Dr. Visser-Fuchs, Dr. Horrox, Ms. Mackintosh, and
so many others.
>
> Three cheers for Philippa Langley, John Ashdown-Hill, and Annette
Carson! The latest warriors in Richard's army, fighting a new type of
battle!
>
> --- In , Johanne Tournier
wrote:
> >
> > That's beautiful, Carol. It is wonderful to be able to share this
with you all.
> > I feel chills.
> > Loyaulte me lie,
> > Johanne
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >
> > From: Carol Darling
> > Sent: 4 Feb 2013 02:02:22 GMT
> > To:
> > Subject: re skull
> >
> > Re skull….I feel so privileged almost beyond words.
Decades of wishing for some kind of connection to this man I admired and
wanted to help to improve his historical record. Here he is and we can
make this contact because of the indescribable determination of several
like minded people. Being able to view his remains is the most
incredible gift. This is one of the greatest and unique moments in my
life, and Im glad I share it with so many very worthy people. We have
so much more to do, but as always we go willingly, and with new fire.
Thank you dear fates, you have been kind to us. Carol D.
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>

What a lovely post. Yes, a skull is sad to see, but also gratifying. Yes, obviously he suffered, but also yes, that many teeth and in that condition means good nutrition and good care during his lifetime.

On Feb 3, 2013, at 8:02 PM, "Carol Darling" <cdarlingart1@...> wrote:

> Re skull&.I feel so privileged almost beyond words. Decades of wishing for some kind of connection to this man I admired and wanted to help to improve his historical record. Here he is and we can make this contact because of the indescribable determination of several like minded people. Being able to view his remains is the most incredible gift. This is one of the greatest and unique moments in my life, and Im glad I share it with so many very worthy people. We have so much more to do, but as always we go willingly, and with new fire. Thank you dear fates, you have been kind to us. Carol D.
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Maybe we need to be careful (me included!) 'cause we don't know yet if this skull was truly Richard's or not. Paul's going get on us if we're not careful.

~Weds



--- In , Ishita Bandyo wrote:
>
> Glad to be able to share this with you all!
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Feb 3, 2013, at 9:16 PM, Johanne Tournier wrote:
>
> > Hear hear! I would like to raise a glass in salute to the visionaries of the past and the present.
> > Johanne
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >
> > From: mcjohn_wt_net
> > Sent: 4 Feb 2013 02:12:57 GMT
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: re skull
> >
> > It seems a special responsibility to those of us who are here now to see it. So many labored so long, and didn't survive to see this day. Carrying on the work they did with dedication seems like the best tribute to those who kept the embers aglow: Dr. Buck, Walpole, Dr. Kendall, the Suttons, Dr. Visser-Fuchs, Dr. Horrox, Ms. Mackintosh, and so many others.
> >
> > Three cheers for Philippa Langley, John Ashdown-Hill, and Annette Carson! The latest warriors in Richard's army, fighting a new type of battle!
> >
> > --- In , Johanne Tournier wrote:
> > >
> > > That's beautiful, Carol. It is wonderful to be able to share this with you all.
> > > I feel chills.
> > > Loyaulte me lie,
> > > Johanne
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > >
> > > From: Carol Darling
> > > Sent: 4 Feb 2013 02:02:22 GMT
> > > To:
> > > Subject: re skull
> > >
> > > Re skull….I feel so privileged almost beyond words. Decades of wishing for some kind of connection to this man I admired and wanted to help to improve his historical record. Here he is and we can make this contact because of the indescribable determination of several like minded people. Being able to view his remains is the most incredible gift. This is one of the greatest and unique moments in my life, and Im glad I share it with so many very worthy people. We have so much more to do, but as always we go willingly, and with new fire. Thank you dear fates, you have been kind to us. Carol D.
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>

So when was the front tooth lost, I wonder.

Am also wondering if he lost his bottom back molars from grinding and cracking them.

Am also wishing my imagination would shut up now.

~Weds

--- In , Pamela Bain wrote:
>
> What a lovely post. Yes, a skull is sad to see, but also gratifying. Yes, obviously he suffered, but also yes, that many teeth and in that condition means good nutrition and good care during his lifetime.

I think they removed a tooth for DNA testing, but don't know which one
Vickie

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On Feb 3, 2013, at 8:44 PM, "wednesday_mc" <wednesday.mac@...> wrote:

> So when was the front tooth lost, I wonder.
>
> Am also wondering if he lost his bottom back molars from grinding and cracking them.
>
> Am also wishing my imagination would shut up now.
>
> ~Weds
>
> --- In , Pamela Bain wrote:
> >
> > What a lovely post. Yes, a skull is sad to see, but also gratifying. Yes, obviously he suffered, but also yes, that many teeth and in that condition means good nutrition and good care during his lifetime.
>
>

I was also impressed with the number and condition of the teeth -
particularly when I recall Townsend Miller, in _Castles and the Crown_,
when reporting on contemporary descriptions of Philip the Handsome, noted
that one of Philip's only flaws was bad teeth.

Also, am I wrong in thinking that the lower part of the face is very
strongly-defined?

Maria
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On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 9:44 PM, wednesday_mc <wednesday.mac@...>wrote:

> **
>
>
> So when was the front tooth lost, I wonder.
>
> Am also wondering if he lost his bottom back molars from grinding and
> cracking them.
>
> Am also wishing my imagination would shut up now.
>
> ~Weds
>
>
> --- In , Pamela Bain wrote:
> >
> > What a lovely post. Yes, a skull is sad to see, but also gratifying.
> Yes, obviously he suffered, but also yes, that many teeth and in that
> condition means good nutrition and good care during his lifetime.
>
>
>

More than likely a molar as they have more material
G

Sent from my iPad

On Feb 3, 2013, at 9:46 PM, Vickie <lolettecook@...> wrote:

> I think they removed a tooth for DNA testing, but don't know which one
> Vickie
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 3, 2013, at 8:44 PM, "wednesday_mc" wednesday.mac@...> wrote:
>
> > So when was the front tooth lost, I wonder.
> >
> > Am also wondering if he lost his bottom back molars from grinding and cracking them.
> >
> > Am also wishing my imagination would shut up now.
> >
> > ~Weds
> >
> > --- In , Pamela Bain wrote:
> > >
> > > What a lovely post. Yes, a skull is sad to see, but also gratifying. Yes, obviously he suffered, but also yes, that many teeth and in that condition means good nutrition and good care during his lifetime.
> >
> >
>
>
>
>

Hi, Maria -
Yes, I agree with you, and someone else here noted the strong jaw. In fact, this is the first time I can ever recall thinking a skull looked handsome. And yes the teeth are remarkable. Better than mine, lol, with the exception only of the missing ones I guess.
WOW!
Johanne

-----Original Message-----

From: Maria Torres
Sent: 4 Feb 2013 02:55:57 GMT
To:
Subject: Re: re skull

I was also impressed with the number and condition of the teeth -
particularly when I recall Townsend Miller, in _Castles and the Crown_,
when reporting on contemporary descriptions of Philip the Handsome, noted
that one of Philip's only flaws was bad teeth.

Also, am I wrong in thinking that the lower part of the face is very
strongly-defined?

Maria
ejbronte@...








On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 9:44 PM, wednesday_mc <wednesday.mac@...>wrote:

> **
>
>
> So when was the front tooth lost, I wonder.
>
> Am also wondering if he lost his bottom back molars from grinding and
> cracking them.
>
> Am also wishing my imagination would shut up now.
>
> ~Weds
>
>
> --- In , Pamela Bain wrote:
> >
> > What a lovely post. Yes, a skull is sad to see, but also gratifying.
> Yes, obviously he suffered, but also yes, that many teeth and in that
> condition means good nutrition and good care during his lifetime.
>
>
>






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Re to Ishita: As an artist specializing in portraits, my first reaction to seeing the skull was&.wow what a strong jaw! Then I noticed the strong beginning arch to his nasal bridge, and sat watching Downton Abbey while fingering my own nasal skull junction, for comparison. I also checked out the brow ridges, and large eye sockets. Then I slipped into that strange world where we artists live&our imaginations, and began enjoying imagining how he looked alive. Our other Forum member Ishita I noticed, also reacted in a similar way. Well, it looks like our various projects are already starting&..Tomorrow will be a brighter day, lets get on with it! Carol D.

You guys are really into teeth!! Wonder what Freudian slip is that?! Lololol.
I think he lost some of his teeth after his death when they were mutilating him. Some loosened into the ground..... And a couple taken to analyze the DNA.
And he does have very strong square jaw:) My particular weakness<grinning>

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On Feb 3, 2013, at 9:44 PM, "wednesday_mc" <wednesday.mac@...> wrote:

> So when was the front tooth lost, I wonder.
>
> Am also wondering if he lost his bottom back molars from grinding and cracking them.
>
> Am also wishing my imagination would shut up now.
>
> ~Weds
>
> --- In , Pamela Bain wrote:
> >
> > What a lovely post. Yes, a skull is sad to see, but also gratifying. Yes, obviously he suffered, but also yes, that many teeth and in that condition means good nutrition and good care during his lifetime.
>
>

Carol, that's funny! We do live in a world off imagination!

I was picturing how he smiled. Now that we know he had good teeth I can see him smiling a lot! Maybe laughing now and then?!

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On Feb 3, 2013, at 10:06 PM, Carol Darling <cdarlingart1@...> wrote:

> Re to Ishita: As an artist specializing in portraits, my first reaction to seeing the skull was&.wow what a strong jaw! Then I noticed the strong beginning arch to his nasal bridge, and sat watching Downton Abbey while fingering my own nasal skull junction, for comparison. I also checked out the brow ridges, and large eye sockets. Then I slipped into that strange world where we artists live&our imaginations, and began enjoying imagining how he looked alive. Our other Forum member Ishita I noticed, also reacted in a similar way. Well, it looks like our various projects are already starting&..Tomorrow will be a brighter day, lets get on with it! Carol D.
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

With all that training, fighting etc. it's rather surprising he only lost one front tooth, if he did lose it in life and not after death. No mouth guards for jousters! I'm surprised that his teeth appear to be in such good condition. A high sugar diet among the nobility, who could afford it, and minimal care, must have led to much decay.

Oh yes.

----- Original Message -----
From: mcjohn_wt_net
To:
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 2:12 AM
Subject: Re: re skull



It seems a special responsibility to those of us who are here now to see it. So many labored so long, and didn't survive to see this day. Carrying on the work they did with dedication seems like the best tribute to those who kept the embers aglow: Dr. Buck, Walpole, Dr. Kendall, the Suttons, Dr. Visser-Fuchs, Dr. Horrox, Ms. Mackintosh, and so many others.

Three cheers for Philippa Langley, John Ashdown-Hill, and Annette Carson! The latest warriors in Richard's army, fighting a new type of battle!

--- In , Johanne Tournier wrote:
>
> That's beautiful, Carol. It is wonderful to be able to share this with you all.
> I feel chills.
> Loyaulte me lie,
> Johanne
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: Carol Darling
> Sent: 4 Feb 2013 02:02:22 GMT
> To:
> Subject: re skull
>
> Re skullâ?¦.I feel so privileged almost beyond words. Decades of wishing for some kind of connection to this man I admired and wanted to help to improve his historical record. Here he is and we can make this contact because of the indescribable determination of several like minded people. Being able to view his remains is the most incredible gift. This is one of the greatest and unique moments in my life, and Im glad I share it with so many very worthy people. We have so much more to do, but as always we go willingly, and with new fire. Thank you dear fates, you have been kind to us. Carol D.
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>