For crying out loud - the hump remains

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2273164/Richard-III-Scientists-reveal-DNA-results-confirm-kings-body-car-park-Leicester.html
 
 
Massive headline on the DM front page saying "spinal curvature proves hunchback". Once you get into the actual article it is a bit better but can we all please comment on this and point out that it does NOT mean he had a hump?
 
I'm sick to death of this.

Jeremy Vine has just had a item about this on his show and not only mentioned 'hunchback' several times, but had some bod on reciting a dreadful piece of doggerel about all the people Richard had 'beheaded' en route to the throne.


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From: lizwilliams <ferrymansdaughter@...>
To: "" <>
Sent: Monday, 4 February 2013, 12:52
Subject: For crying out loud - the hump remains


 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2273164/Richard-III-Scientists-reveal-DNA-results-confirm-kings-body-car-park-Leicester.html
 
 
Massive headline on the DM front page saying "spinal curvature proves hunchback". Once you get into the actual article it is a bit better but can we all please comment on this and point out that it does NOT mean he had a hump?
 
I'm sick to death of this.

ANd it still says "Support for the monarch was further diminished when Edward and his younger brother disappeared and Richard was involved in the death of his wife. "
 
I am fuming.

From: liz williams <ferrymansdaughter@...>
To: "" <>
Sent: Monday, 4 February 2013, 12:52
Subject: For crying out loud - the hump remains

 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2273164/Richard-III-Scientists-reveal-DNA-results-confirm-kings-body-car-park-Leicester.html
 
 
Massive headline on the DM front page saying "spinal curvature proves hunchback". Once you get into the actual article it is a bit better but can we all please comment on this and point out that it does NOT mean he had a hump?
 
I'm sick to death of this.

Yep my husband's read Yahoo and says that it's proved he a was a hunchback!



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From: liz williams <ferrymansdaughter@...>
To: "" <>
Sent: Monday, 4 February 2013, 12:52
Subject: For crying out loud - the hump remains


 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2273164/Richard-III-Scientists-reveal-DNA-results-confirm-kings-body-car-park-Leicester.html
 
 
Massive headline on the DM front page saying "spinal curvature proves hunchback". Once you get into the actual article it is a bit better but can we all please comment on this and point out that it does NOT mean he had a hump?
 
I'm sick to death of this.

Me too...... Damn those who perpetuate the awful slurs!

On Feb 4, 2013, at 6:59 AM, "liz williams" <ferrymansdaughter@...<mailto:ferrymansdaughter@...>> wrote:



ANd it still says "Support for the monarch was further diminished when Edward and his younger brother disappeared and Richard was involved in the death of his wife. "

I am fuming.

From: liz williams ferrymansdaughter@...<mailto:ferrymansdaughter%40btinternet.com>>
To: "<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>" <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>>
Sent: Monday, 4 February 2013, 12:52
Subject: For crying out loud - the hump remains


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2273164/Richard-III-Scientists-reveal-DNA-results-confirm-kings-body-car-park-Leicester.html


Massive headline on the DM front page saying "spinal curvature proves hunchback". Once you get into the actual article it is a bit better but can we all please comment on this and point out that it does NOT mean he had a hump?

I'm sick to death of this.

Ive done so Liz....although when you read some of the comments left...which leave the impression that the DM is being read by mainly Neanderthal Man...its probably a waste of time..As you said..the rest of the article was not too bad...Eileen

--- In , liz williams wrote:
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> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2273164/Richard-III-Scientists-reveal-DNA-results-confirm-kings-body-car-park-Leicester.html
>  
>  
> Massive headline on the DM front page saying "spinal curvature proves hunchback". Once you get into the actual article it is a bit better but can we all please comment on this and point out that it does NOT mean he had a hump?
>  
> I'm sick to death of this.
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Oh it's read by a bunch of idiots. Have you read some of the comments about the obvious typo of  the body being found "680 metres below the car park"?
 
There are some good pictures on there now of Richard remains - awful though.  His poor spine, it does look very severe. 

From: EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@...>
To:
Sent: Monday, 4 February 2013, 13:08
Subject: Re: For crying out loud - the hump remains

 
Ive done so Liz....although when you read some of the comments left...which leave the impression that the DM is being read by mainly Neanderthal Man...its probably a waste of time..As you said..the rest of the article was not too bad...Eileen

--- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, liz williams wrote:
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> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2273164/Richard-III-Scientists-reveal-DNA-results-confirm-kings-body-car-park-Leicester.html
>  
>  
> Massive headline on the DM front page saying "spinal curvature proves hunchback". Once you get into the actual article it is a bit better but can we all please comment on this and point out that it does NOT mean he had a hump?
>  
> I'm sick to death of this.
>
>
>

Can you imagine the strength and determination it took the man to ride, to fight, to do all the rigorous things necessary during the time. And, it can be quite painful.

On Feb 4, 2013, at 7:29 AM, "liz williams" <ferrymansdaughter@...<mailto:ferrymansdaughter@...>> wrote:



Oh it's read by a bunch of idiots. Have you read some of the comments about the obvious typo of the body being found "680 metres below the car park"?

There are some good pictures on there now of Richard remains - awful though. His poor spine, it does look very severe.

From: EileenB cherryripe.eileenb@...<mailto:cherryripe.eileenb%40googlemail.com>>
To: <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, 4 February 2013, 13:08
Subject: Re: For crying out loud - the hump remains


Ive done so Liz....although when you read some of the comments left...which leave the impression that the DM is being read by mainly Neanderthal Man...its probably a waste of time..As you said..the rest of the article was not too bad...Eileen

--- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com<http://40yahoogroups.com>, liz williams wrote:
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> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2273164/Richard-III-Scientists-reveal-DNA-results-confirm-kings-body-car-park-Leicester.html
>
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> Massive headline on the DM front page saying "spinal curvature proves hunchback". Once you get into the actual article it is a bit better but can we all please comment on this and point out that it does NOT mean he had a hump?
>
> I'm sick to death of this.
>
>
>

Done.

Sent from my iPad

On Feb 4, 2013, at 7:52 AM, liz williams <ferrymansdaughter@...> wrote:

> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2273164/Richard-III-Scientists-reveal-DNA-results-confirm-kings-body-car-park-Leicester.html
>
>
> Massive headline on the DM front page saying "spinal curvature proves hunchback". Once you get into the actual article it is a bit better but can we all please comment on this and point out that it does NOT mean he had a hump?
>
> I'm sick to death of this.
>
>
>
>

I was dreading this. The hunchback theory and the mention of his nephews are everywhere. Along with killing his wife to marry his niece!!!!!!
Got yelled at by Lisa yesterday for my pessimism but it seems my worst fear has come true:((( And now we have Morton and MB to deal with? I have to scream like Henry2! Will nobody get rid of these two or me??! Lol
You guys are so knowledgable and awesome! Please do sone thing!!!! In tears.

Sent from my iPad

On Feb 4, 2013, at 8:36 AM, Ishita Bandyo <bandyoi@...> wrote:

> Done.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Feb 4, 2013, at 7:52 AM, liz williams ferrymansdaughter@...> wrote:
>
> > http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2273164/Richard-III-Scientists-reveal-DNA-results-confirm-kings-body-car-park-Leicester.html
> >
> >
> > Massive headline on the DM front page saying "spinal curvature proves hunchback". Once you get into the actual article it is a bit better but can we all please comment on this and point out that it does NOT mean he had a hump?
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And the details show how the vertebrae grew unevenly. I am no expert for sure, but they did say the condition was idiopathic, Richard was over age 10 when it started; it was probably around the onset of puberty. And they did say that his build was unusually slender for a man's. I am thinking that the intensive training that he underwent, of necessity, would have at the least seriously aggravated the condition or possibly even caused it. Had he been dedicated to the Church from childhood, he may have been spared that affliction, or at least the worst effects of it.



It's terrible to think of how his body was treated. In the notes they say he didn't even have a shroud, let alone a coffin, which I find astounding. I wonder if he still had the noose around his neck . . . we will probably never know, but it certainly does seem that his hands were bound.



It's obvious he couldn't have been a hunchback!! The curve in the spine is sideways. Sheesh!



I do feel like I am mourning a member of my family who has just died.



Loyaulte me lie,



Johanne



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Johanne L. Tournier



Email - jltournier60@...

or jltournier@...



"With God, all things are possible."

- Jesus of Nazareth

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From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of liz williams
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 9:29 AM
To:
Subject: Re: Re: For crying out loud - the hump remains





Oh it's read by a bunch of idiots. Have you read some of the comments about the obvious typo of the body being found "680 metres below the car park"?

There are some good pictures on there now of Richard remains - awful though. His poor spine, it does look very severe.

From: EileenB cherryripe.eileenb@... <mailto:cherryripe.eileenb%40googlemail.com> >
To: <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, 4 February 2013, 13:08
Subject: Re: For crying out loud - the hump remains


Ive done so Liz....although when you read some of the comments left...which leave the impression that the DM is being read by mainly Neanderthal Man...its probably a waste of time..As you said..the rest of the article was not too bad...Eileen

--- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, liz williams wrote:
>
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2273164/Richard-III-Scientists-reveal-DNA-results-confirm-kings-body-car-park-Leicester.html
>
>
> Massive headline on the DM front page saying "spinal curvature proves hunchback". Once you get into the actual article it is a bit better but can we all please comment on this and point out that it does NOT mean he had a hump?
>
> I'm sick to death of this.
>
>
>

We also have to be realistic....Some people are never going to change their minds..Always ready to see baseness in people actions, always ready to attack. Maybe it makes them feel important for 5 minutes of their lives...You have to given them a wide berth and not allow them to bring you down.

I had an interesting chat with my neighbour today re Starkey. He is not a Ricardian by any way..his man is OliverCromwell...but he detests Starkey. He reckons possibly he has a chip on his shoulder. I think this can be said for a lot of people that would always choose to see the negativity in a person rather than the positive. I really, absolutely, as I said yesterday, have no time for them. Its very unfortunate that Dr Starkey gets so much media attention, as does Weir. But there you go...I suspect your mum told you that life was not fair. Today is a day for positivity...Eileen
On 4 Feb 2013, at 13:44, Ishita Bandyo wrote:

> I was dreading this. The hunchback theory and the mention of his nephews are everywhere. Along with killing his wife to marry his niece!!!!!!
> Got yelled at by Lisa yesterday for my pessimism but it seems my worst fear has come true:((( And now we have Morton and MB to deal with? I have to scream like Henry2! Will nobody get rid of these two or me??! Lol
> You guys are so knowledgable and awesome! Please do sone thing!!!! In tears.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Feb 4, 2013, at 8:36 AM, Ishita Bandyo bandyoi@...> wrote:
>
> > Done.
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> > On Feb 4, 2013, at 7:52 AM, liz williams ferrymansdaughter@...> wrote:
> >
> > > http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2273164/Richard-III-Scientists-reveal-DNA-results-confirm-kings-body-car-park-Leicester.html
> > >
> > >
> > > Massive headline on the DM front page saying "spinal curvature proves hunchback". Once you get into the actual article it is a bit better but can we all please comment on this and point out that it does NOT mean he had a hump?
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> > > I'm sick to death of this.
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Let's be positive. It DOES confirm von Popplau who said he had slender arms and legs and was taller than him. 5ft 8in was pretty tall for then. This has been dismissed in the past as VP being small. And, VP was one who did not believe the Princes were dead, I seem to recall?  Perhaps we should find a rep to shout about that?  H.



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From: Johanne Tournier <jltournier60@...>
To:
Sent: Monday, 4 February 2013, 13:51
Subject: RE: Re: For crying out loud - the hump remains

 

And the details show how the vertebrae grew unevenly. I am no expert for sure, but they did say the condition was idiopathic, Richard was over age 10 when it started; it was probably around the onset of puberty. And they did say that his build was unusually slender for a man's. I am thinking that the intensive training that he underwent, of necessity, would have at the least seriously aggravated the condition or possibly even caused it. Had he been dedicated to the Church from childhood, he may have been spared that affliction, or at least the worst effects of it.

It's terrible to think of how his body was treated. In the notes they say he didn't even have a shroud, let alone a coffin, which I find astounding. I wonder if he still had the noose around his neck . . . we will probably never know, but it certainly does seem that his hands were bound.

It's obvious he couldn't have been a hunchback!! The curve in the spine is sideways. Sheesh!

I do feel like I am mourning a member of my family who has just died.

Loyaulte me lie,

Johanne

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Johanne L. Tournier

Email - jltournier60@...

or jltournier@...

"With God, all things are possible."

- Jesus of Nazareth

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of liz williams
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 9:29 AM
To:
Subject: Re: Re: For crying out loud - the hump remains

Oh it's read by a bunch of idiots. Have you read some of the comments about the obvious typo of the body being found "680 metres below the car park"?

There are some good pictures on there now of Richard remains - awful though. His poor spine, it does look very severe.

From: EileenB cherryripe.eileenb@... >
To:
Sent: Monday, 4 February 2013, 13:08
Subject: Re: For crying out loud - the hump remains

Ive done so Liz....although when you read some of the comments left...which leave the impression that the DM is being read by mainly Neanderthal Man...its probably a waste of time..As you said..the rest of the article was not too bad...Eileen

--- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, liz williams wrote:
>
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2273164/Richard-III-Scientists-reveal-DNA-results-confirm-kings-body-car-park-Leicester.html
>
>
> Massive headline on the DM front page saying "spinal curvature proves hunchback". Once you get into the actual article it is a bit better but can we all please comment on this and point out that it does NOT mean he had a hump?
>
> I'm sick to death of this.
>
>
>

Johanne, I feel the same way........

Sent from my iPad

On Feb 4, 2013, at 8:51 AM, Johanne Tournier <jltournier60@...> wrote:

> And the details show how the vertebrae grew unevenly. I am no expert for sure, but they did say the condition was idiopathic, Richard was over age 10 when it started; it was probably around the onset of puberty. And they did say that his build was unusually slender for a man's. I am thinking that the intensive training that he underwent, of necessity, would have at the least seriously aggravated the condition or possibly even caused it. Had he been dedicated to the Church from childhood, he may have been spared that affliction, or at least the worst effects of it.
>
> It's terrible to think of how his body was treated. In the notes they say he didn't even have a shroud, let alone a coffin, which I find astounding. I wonder if he still had the noose around his neck . . . we will probably never know, but it certainly does seem that his hands were bound.
>
> It's obvious he couldn't have been a hunchback!! The curve in the spine is sideways. Sheesh!
>
> I do feel like I am mourning a member of my family who has just died.
>
> Loyaulte me lie,
>
> Johanne
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Johanne L. Tournier
>
> Email - jltournier60@...
>
> or jltournier@...
>
> "With God, all things are possible."
>
> - Jesus of Nazareth
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of liz williams
> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 9:29 AM
> To:
> Subject: Re: Re: For crying out loud - the hump remains
>
> Oh it's read by a bunch of idiots. Have you read some of the comments about the obvious typo of the body being found "680 metres below the car park"?
>
> There are some good pictures on there now of Richard remains - awful though. His poor spine, it does look very severe.
>
> From: EileenB cherryripe.eileenb@... >
> To:
> Sent: Monday, 4 February 2013, 13:08
> Subject: Re: For crying out loud - the hump remains
>
> Ive done so Liz....although when you read some of the comments left...which leave the impression that the DM is being read by mainly Neanderthal Man...its probably a waste of time..As you said..the rest of the article was not too bad...Eileen
>
> --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, liz williams wrote:
> >
> > http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2273164/Richard-III-Scientists-reveal-DNA-results-confirm-kings-body-car-park-Leicester.html
> >
> >
> > Massive headline on the DM front page saying "spinal curvature proves hunchback". Once you get into the actual article it is a bit better but can we all please comment on this and point out that it does NOT mean he had a hump?
> >
> > I'm sick to death of this.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>

I wouldn't worry about Starkey - I think he did himself no good with the Jamie Oliver thing (everyone knows about that!) and he's making enough money out of the Tudors. The 'danger' will come from the Hicks and Weirs who will 'prey upon the ignorant'. Everyone loves a scandal - the Tudors knew that. A good guy is just ........ boring. 



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From: eileen bates <eileenbates147@...>
To:
Sent: Monday, 4 February 2013, 13:58
Subject: Re: For crying out loud - the hump remains

We also have to be realistic....Some people are never going to change their minds..Always ready to see baseness in people actions, always ready to attack.  Maybe it makes them feel important for 5 minutes of their lives...You have to given them a wide berth and not allow them to bring you down.

I had an interesting chat with my neighbour today re Starkey.  He is not a Ricardian by any way..his man is OliverCromwell...but he detests Starkey.  He reckons possibly he has a chip on his shoulder. I think this can be said for a lot of people that would always choose to see the negativity in a person rather than the positive.  I really, absolutely, as I said yesterday, have no time for them.  Its very unfortunate that Dr Starkey gets so much media attention, as does Weir.  But there you go...I suspect your mum told you that life was not fair.  Today is a day for positivity...Eileen
On 4 Feb 2013, at 13:44, Ishita Bandyo wrote:

> I was dreading this. The hunchback theory and the mention of his nephews are everywhere. Along with killing his wife to marry his niece!!!!!!
> Got yelled at by Lisa yesterday for my pessimism but it seems my worst fear has come true:((( And now we have Morton and MB to deal with? I have to scream like Henry2! Will nobody get rid of these two or me??! Lol
> You guys are so knowledgable and awesome! Please do sone thing!!!! In tears.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Feb 4, 2013, at 8:36 AM, Ishita Bandyo bandyoi@...> wrote:
>
> > Done.
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> > On Feb 4, 2013, at 7:52 AM, liz williams ferrymansdaughter@...> wrote:
> >
> > > http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2273164/Richard-III-Scientists-reveal-DNA-results-confirm-kings-body-car-park-Leicester.html
> > >
> > >
> > > Massive headline on the DM front page saying "spinal curvature proves hunchback". Once you get into the actual article it is a bit better but can we all please comment on this and point out that it does NOT mean he had a hump?
> > >
> > > I'm sick to death of this.
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5'8" in not short. It is average height. If you keep comparing him with a robust 6.4 , he is going to come up short! If he had to wield those heavy arms and ride those war horses, he had to be very strong! What do they mean by very slender? He was definitely not a weakling!

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On Feb 4, 2013, at 9:01 AM, Hilary Jones <hjnatdat@...> wrote:

> Let's be positive. It DOES confirm von Popplau who said he had slender arms and legs and was taller than him. 5ft 8in was pretty tall for then. This has been dismissed in the past as VP being small. And, VP was one who did not believe the Princes were dead, I seem to recall? Perhaps we should find a rep to shout about that? H.
>
> ________________________________
> From: Johanne Tournier jltournier60@...>
> To:
> Sent: Monday, 4 February 2013, 13:51
> Subject: RE: Re: For crying out loud - the hump remains
>
>
>
> And the details show how the vertebrae grew unevenly. I am no expert for sure, but they did say the condition was idiopathic, Richard was over age 10 when it started; it was probably around the onset of puberty. And they did say that his build was unusually slender for a man's. I am thinking that the intensive training that he underwent, of necessity, would have at the least seriously aggravated the condition or possibly even caused it. Had he been dedicated to the Church from childhood, he may have been spared that affliction, or at least the worst effects of it.
>
> It's terrible to think of how his body was treated. In the notes they say he didn't even have a shroud, let alone a coffin, which I find astounding. I wonder if he still had the noose around his neck . . . we will probably never know, but it certainly does seem that his hands were bound.
>
> It's obvious he couldn't have been a hunchback!! The curve in the spine is sideways. Sheesh!
>
> I do feel like I am mourning a member of my family who has just died.
>
> Loyaulte me lie,
>
> Johanne
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Johanne L. Tournier
>
> Email - jltournier60@...
>
> or jltournier@...
>
> "With God, all things are possible."
>
> - Jesus of Nazareth
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of liz williams
> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 9:29 AM
> To:
> Subject: Re: Re: For crying out loud - the hump remains
>
> Oh it's read by a bunch of idiots. Have you read some of the comments about the obvious typo of the body being found "680 metres below the car park"?
>
> There are some good pictures on there now of Richard remains - awful though. His poor spine, it does look very severe.
>
> From: EileenB cherryripe.eileenb@... >
> To:
> Sent: Monday, 4 February 2013, 13:08
> Subject: Re: For crying out loud - the hump remains
>
> Ive done so Liz....although when you read some of the comments left...which leave the impression that the DM is being read by mainly Neanderthal Man...its probably a waste of time..As you said..the rest of the article was not too bad...Eileen
>
> --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, liz williams wrote:
> >
> > http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2273164/Richard-III-Scientists-reveal-DNA-results-confirm-kings-body-car-park-Leicester.html
> >
> >
> > Massive headline on the DM front page saying "spinal curvature proves hunchback". Once you get into the actual article it is a bit better but can we all please comment on this and point out that it does NOT mean he had a hump?
> >
> > I'm sick to death of this.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Richard's life was nothing but boring! All for the right reasons though.....

Sent from my iPad

On Feb 4, 2013, at 9:08 AM, Hilary Jones <hjnatdat@...> wrote:

> I wouldn't worry about Starkey - I think he did himself no good with the Jamie Oliver thing (everyone knows about that!) and he's making enough money out of the Tudors. The 'danger' will come from the Hicks and Weirs who will 'prey upon the ignorant'. Everyone loves a scandal - the Tudors knew that. A good guy is just ........ boring.
>
> ________________________________
> From: eileen bates eileenbates147@...>
> To:
> Sent: Monday, 4 February 2013, 13:58
> Subject: Re: For crying out loud - the hump remains
>
> We also have to be realistic....Some people are never going to change their minds..Always ready to see baseness in people actions, always ready to attack. Maybe it makes them feel important for 5 minutes of their lives...You have to given them a wide berth and not allow them to bring you down.
>
> I had an interesting chat with my neighbour today re Starkey. He is not a Ricardian by any way..his man is OliverCromwell...but he detests Starkey. He reckons possibly he has a chip on his shoulder. I think this can be said for a lot of people that would always choose to see the negativity in a person rather than the positive. I really, absolutely, as I said yesterday, have no time for them. Its very unfortunate that Dr Starkey gets so much media attention, as does Weir. But there you go...I suspect your mum told you that life was not fair. Today is a day for positivity...Eileen
> On 4 Feb 2013, at 13:44, Ishita Bandyo wrote:
>
> > I was dreading this. The hunchback theory and the mention of his nephews are everywhere. Along with killing his wife to marry his niece!!!!!!
> > Got yelled at by Lisa yesterday for my pessimism but it seems my worst fear has come true:((( And now we have Morton and MB to deal with? I have to scream like Henry2! Will nobody get rid of these two or me??! Lol
> > You guys are so knowledgable and awesome! Please do sone thing!!!! In tears.
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
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> > On Feb 4, 2013, at 8:36 AM, Ishita Bandyo bandyoi@...> wrote:
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> > > Done.
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> > > On Feb 4, 2013, at 7:52 AM, liz williams ferrymansdaughter@...> wrote:
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> > > > http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2273164/Richard-III-Scientists-reveal-DNA-results-confirm-kings-body-car-park-Leicester.html
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Massive headline on the DM front page saying "spinal curvature proves hunchback". Once you get into the actual article it is a bit better but can we all please comment on this and point out that it does NOT mean he had a hump?
> > > >
> > > > I'm sick to death of this.
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Exactly - but doesn't Lady Hamilton add an extra dimension to Nelson, despite all his other claims to fame? Some like to pep things up. For their own gain of course. Nothing changes. Yep MB and Morton are still around in one form or another.  Twas ever going to be so.



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From: Ishita Bandyo <bandyoi@...>
To: "" <>
Sent: Monday, 4 February 2013, 14:10
Subject: Re: For crying out loud - the hump remains


 

Richard's life was nothing but boring! All for the right reasons though.....

Sent from my iPad

On Feb 4, 2013, at 9:08 AM, Hilary Jones mailto:hjnatdat%40yahoo.com> wrote:

> I wouldn't worry about Starkey - I think he did himself no good with the Jamie Oliver thing (everyone knows about that!) and he's making enough money out of the Tudors. The 'danger' will come from the Hicks and Weirs who will 'prey upon the ignorant'. Everyone loves a scandal - the Tudors knew that. A good guy is just ........ boring.
>
> ________________________________
> From: eileen bates mailto:eileenbates147%40btinternet.com>
> To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, 4 February 2013, 13:58
> Subject: Re: For crying out loud - the hump remains
>
> We also have to be realistic....Some people are never going to change their minds..Always ready to see baseness in people actions, always ready to attack. Maybe it makes them feel important for 5 minutes of their lives...You have to given them a wide berth and not allow them to bring you down.
>
> I had an interesting chat with my neighbour today re Starkey. He is not a Ricardian by any way..his man is OliverCromwell...but he detests Starkey. He reckons possibly he has a chip on his shoulder. I think this can be said for a lot of people that would always choose to see the negativity in a person rather than the positive. I really, absolutely, as I said yesterday, have no time for them. Its very unfortunate that Dr Starkey gets so much media attention, as does Weir. But there you go...I suspect your mum told you that life was not fair. Today is a day for positivity...Eileen
> On 4 Feb 2013, at 13:44, Ishita Bandyo wrote:
>
> > I was dreading this. The hunchback theory and the mention of his nephews are everywhere. Along with killing his wife to marry his niece!!!!!!
> > Got yelled at by Lisa yesterday for my pessimism but it seems my worst fear has come true:((( And now we have Morton and MB to deal with? I have to scream like Henry2! Will nobody get rid of these two or me??! Lol
> > You guys are so knowledgable and awesome! Please do sone thing!!!! In tears.
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> > On Feb 4, 2013, at 8:36 AM, Ishita Bandyo mailto:bandyoi%40yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Done.
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPad
> > >
> > > On Feb 4, 2013, at 7:52 AM, liz williams mailto:ferrymansdaughter%40btinternet.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2273164/Richard-III-Scientists-reveal-DNA-results-confirm-kings-body-car-park-Leicester.html
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Massive headline on the DM front page saying "spinal curvature proves hunchback". Once you get into the actual article it is a bit better but can we all please comment on this and point out that it does NOT mean he had a hump?
> > > >
> > > > I'm sick to death of this.
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A man can be slender and strong...Its known as being wiry....couple that with determination and you have got someone who can achieve as much as a bigger and taller man. Eileen
On 4 Feb 2013, at 14:08, Ishita Bandyo wrote:

> 5'8" in not short. It is average height. If you keep comparing him with a robust 6.4 , he is going to come up short! If he had to wield those heavy arms and ride those war horses, he had to be very strong! What do they mean by very slender? He was definitely not a weakling!
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Feb 4, 2013, at 9:01 AM, Hilary Jones hjnatdat@...> wrote:
>
> > Let's be positive. It DOES confirm von Popplau who said he had slender arms and legs and was taller than him. 5ft 8in was pretty tall for then. This has been dismissed in the past as VP being small. And, VP was one who did not believe the Princes were dead, I seem to recall? Perhaps we should find a rep to shout about that? H.
> >
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> > From: Johanne Tournier jltournier60@...>
> > To:
> > Sent: Monday, 4 February 2013, 13:51
> > Subject: RE: Re: For crying out loud - the hump remains
> >
> >
> >
> > And the details show how the vertebrae grew unevenly. I am no expert for sure, but they did say the condition was idiopathic, Richard was over age 10 when it started; it was probably around the onset of puberty. And they did say that his build was unusually slender for a manýs. I am thinking that the intensive training that he underwent, of necessity, would have at the least seriously aggravated the condition or possibly even caused it. Had he been dedicated to the Church from childhood, he may have been spared that affliction, or at least the worst effects of it.
> >
> > Itýs terrible to think of how his body was treated. In the notes they say he didnýt even have a shroud, let alone a coffin, which I find astounding. I wonder if he still had the noose around his neck . . . we will probably never know, but it certainly does seem that his hands were bound.
> >
> > Itýs obvious he couldnýt have been a hunchback!! The curve in the spine is sideways. Sheesh!
> >
> > I do feel like I am mourning a member of my family who has just died.
> >
> > Loyaulte me lie,
> >
> > Johanne
> >
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> >
> > Email - jltournier60@...
> >
> > or jltournier@...
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> > "With God, all things are possible."
> >
> > - Jesus of Nazareth
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> > From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of liz williams
> > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 9:29 AM
> > To:
> > Subject: Re: Re: For crying out loud - the hump remains
> >
> > Oh it's read by a bunch of idiots. Have you read some of the comments about the obvious typo of the body being found "680 metres below the car park"?
> >
> > There are some good pictures on there now of Richard remains - awful though. His poor spine, it does look very severe.
> >
> > From: EileenB cherryripe.eileenb@... >
> > To:
> > Sent: Monday, 4 February 2013, 13:08
> > Subject: Re: For crying out loud - the hump remains
> >
> > Ive done so Liz....although when you read some of the comments left...which leave the impression that the DM is being read by mainly Neanderthal Man...its probably a waste of time..As you said..the rest of the article was not too bad...Eileen
> >
> > --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, liz williams wrote:
> > >
> > > http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2273164/Richard-III-Scientists-reveal-DNA-results-confirm-kings-body-car-park-Leicester.html
> > >
> > >
> > > Massive headline on the DM front page saying "spinal curvature proves hunchback". Once you get into the actual article it is a bit better but can we all please comment on this and point out that it does NOT mean he had a hump?
> > >
> > > I'm sick to death of this.
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Dear Hilary 



Jo Appleby said that RIII would have been 5'8 tall if he hadn't had the scoliosis, but that with the scoliosis, he would have been significantly shorter than 5'8. It could have easily taken off 3-4, I believe.



I think Richard would have been truly heroic to overcome everything to be able to support his brother's claim to the throne by force of arms. Remember that most of the people commenting on these sites truly know nothing beyond Shakespeare and maybe Allison Weir. If they produce a great movie about Richard, that may be some help. Just think of the drip, drip, drip of water wearing away stone.



Loyaulte me lie,



Johanne



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Email - jltournier60@...

or jltournier@...



"With God, all things are possible."

- Jesus of Nazareth

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From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of Hilary Jones
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 10:02 AM
To:
Subject: Re: Re: For crying out loud - the hump remains





Let's be positive. It DOES confirm von Popplau who said he had slender arms and legs and was taller than him. 5ft 8in was pretty tall for then. This has been dismissed in the past as VP being small. And, VP was one who did not believe the Princes were dead, I seem to recall? Perhaps we should find a rep to shout about that? H.

________________________________
From: Johanne Tournier jltournier60@... <mailto:jltournier60%40hotmail.com> >
To: <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, 4 February 2013, 13:51
Subject: RE: Re: For crying out loud - the hump remains



And the details show how the vertebrae grew unevenly. I am no expert for sure, but they did say the condition was idiopathic, Richard was over age 10 when it started; it was probably around the onset of puberty. And they did say that his build was unusually slender for a man's. I am thinking that the intensive training that he underwent, of necessity, would have at the least seriously aggravated the condition or possibly even caused it. Had he been dedicated to the Church from childhood, he may have been spared that affliction, or at least the worst effects of it.

It's terrible to think of how his body was treated. In the notes they say he didn't even have a shroud, let alone a coffin, which I find astounding. I wonder if he still had the noose around his neck . . . we will probably never know, but it certainly does seem that his hands were bound.

It's obvious he couldn't have been a hunchback!! The curve in the spine is sideways. Sheesh!

I do feel like I am mourning a member of my family who has just died.

Loyaulte me lie,

Johanne

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Email - jltournier60@... <mailto:jltournier60%40hotmail.com>

or jltournier@... <mailto:jltournier%40xcountry.tv>

"With God, all things are possible."

- Jesus of Nazareth

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From: <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto: <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of liz williams
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 9:29 AM
To: <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: Re: For crying out loud - the hump remains

Oh it's read by a bunch of idiots. Have you read some of the comments about the obvious typo of the body being found "680 metres below the car park"?

There are some good pictures on there now of Richard remains - awful though. His poor spine, it does look very severe.

From: EileenB cherryripe.eileenb@... <mailto:cherryripe.eileenb%40googlemail.com> >
To: <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, 4 February 2013, 13:08
Subject: Re: For crying out loud - the hump remains

Ive done so Liz....although when you read some of the comments left...which leave the impression that the DM is being read by mainly Neanderthal Man...its probably a waste of time..As you said..the rest of the article was not too bad...Eileen

--- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, liz williams wrote:
>
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2273164/Richard-III-Scientists-reveal-DNA-results-confirm-kings-body-car-park-Leicester.html
>
>
> Massive headline on the DM front page saying "spinal curvature proves hunchback". Once you get into the actual article it is a bit better but can we all please comment on this and point out that it does NOT mean he had a hump?
>
> I'm sick to death of this.
>
>
>

Hi Johanne,
 
5ft 4/5in was still reasonably tall for then and still is now - I was expecting more like 5ft/5ft 2in - my ancestor when he joined the navy in 1855 was 5ft 2in. (I only had the ITV news blog so didn't know about the height reduction). I suppose what I'm really saying is that if Von Popplau was right about one thing he could be right about another, which was the survival of the Princes. I agree entirely about the dripping....... Hilary   


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From: Johanne Tournier <jltournier60@...>
To:
Sent: Monday, 4 February 2013, 14:15
Subject: RE: Re: For crying out loud - the hump remains

 

Dear Hilary 

Jo Appleby said that RIII would have been 5'8 tall if he hadn't had the scoliosis, but that with the scoliosis, he would have been significantly shorter than 5'8. It could have easily taken off 3-4, I believe.

I think Richard would have been truly heroic to overcome everything to be able to support his brother's claim to the throne by force of arms. Remember that most of the people commenting on these sites truly know nothing beyond Shakespeare and maybe Allison Weir. If they produce a great movie about Richard, that may be some help. Just think of the drip, drip, drip of water wearing away stone.

Loyaulte me lie,

Johanne

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Johanne L. Tournier

Email - jltournier60@...

or jltournier@...

"With God, all things are possible."

- Jesus of Nazareth

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of Hilary Jones
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 10:02 AM
To:
Subject: Re: Re: For crying out loud - the hump remains

Let's be positive. It DOES confirm von Popplau who said he had slender arms and legs and was taller than him. 5ft 8in was pretty tall for then. This has been dismissed in the past as VP being small. And, VP was one who did not believe the Princes were dead, I seem to recall? Perhaps we should find a rep to shout about that? H.

________________________________
From: Johanne Tournier jltournier60@... >
To:
Sent: Monday, 4 February 2013, 13:51
Subject: RE: Re: For crying out loud - the hump remains

And the details show how the vertebrae grew unevenly. I am no expert for sure, but they did say the condition was idiopathic, Richard was over age 10 when it started; it was probably around the onset of puberty. And they did say that his build was unusually slender for a man's. I am thinking that the intensive training that he underwent, of necessity, would have at the least seriously aggravated the condition or possibly even caused it. Had he been dedicated to the Church from childhood, he may have been spared that affliction, or at least the worst effects of it.

It's terrible to think of how his body was treated. In the notes they say he didn't even have a shroud, let alone a coffin, which I find astounding. I wonder if he still had the noose around his neck . . . we will probably never know, but it certainly does seem that his hands were bound.

It's obvious he couldn't have been a hunchback!! The curve in the spine is sideways. Sheesh!

I do feel like I am mourning a member of my family who has just died.

Loyaulte me lie,

Johanne

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Johanne L. Tournier

Email - jltournier60@...

or jltournier@...

"With God, all things are possible."

- Jesus of Nazareth

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From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of liz williams
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 9:29 AM
To:
Subject: Re: Re: For crying out loud - the hump remains

Oh it's read by a bunch of idiots. Have you read some of the comments about the obvious typo of the body being found "680 metres below the car park"?

There are some good pictures on there now of Richard remains - awful though. His poor spine, it does look very severe.

From: EileenB cherryripe.eileenb@... >
To:
Sent: Monday, 4 February 2013, 13:08
Subject: Re: For crying out loud - the hump remains

Ive done so Liz....although when you read some of the comments left...which leave the impression that the DM is being read by mainly Neanderthal Man...its probably a waste of time..As you said..the rest of the article was not too bad...Eileen

--- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, liz williams wrote:
>
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2273164/Richard-III-Scientists-reveal-DNA-results-confirm-kings-body-car-park-Leicester.html
>
>
> Massive headline on the DM front page saying "spinal curvature proves hunchback". Once you get into the actual article it is a bit better but can we all please comment on this and point out that it does NOT mean he had a hump?
>
> I'm sick to death of this.
>
>
>

We are all family members mourning his treatment.
Paul

Richard Liveth Yet!




On 4 Feb 2013, at 13:51, Johanne Tournier wrote:

> And the details show how the vertebrae grew unevenly. I am no expert for sure, but they did say the condition was idiopathic, Richard was over age 10 when it started; it was probably around the onset of puberty. And they did say that his build was unusually slender for a man's. I am thinking that the intensive training that he underwent, of necessity, would have at the least seriously aggravated the condition or possibly even caused it. Had he been dedicated to the Church from childhood, he may have been spared that affliction, or at least the worst effects of it.
>
>
>
> It's terrible to think of how his body was treated. In the notes they say he didn't even have a shroud, let alone a coffin, which I find astounding. I wonder if he still had the noose around his neck . . . we will probably never know, but it certainly does seem that his hands were bound.
>
>
>
> It's obvious he couldn't have been a hunchback!! The curve in the spine is sideways. Sheesh!
>
>
>
> I do feel like I am mourning a member of my family who has just died.
>
>
>
> Loyaulte me lie,
>
>
>
> Johanne
>
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Johanne L. Tournier
>
>
>
> Email - jltournier60@...
>
> or jltournier@...
>
>
>
> "With God, all things are possible."
>
> - Jesus of Nazareth
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
>
> From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of liz williams
> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 9:29 AM
> To:
> Subject: Re: Re: For crying out loud - the hump remains
>
>
>
>
>
> Oh it's read by a bunch of idiots. Have you read some of the comments about the obvious typo of the body being found "680 metres below the car park"?
>
> There are some good pictures on there now of Richard remains - awful though. His poor spine, it does look very severe.
>
> From: EileenB cherryripe.eileenb@... <mailto:cherryripe.eileenb%40googlemail.com> >
> To: <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, 4 February 2013, 13:08
> Subject: Re: For crying out loud - the hump remains
>
>
> Ive done so Liz....although when you read some of the comments left...which leave the impression that the DM is being read by mainly Neanderthal Man...its probably a waste of time..As you said..the rest of the article was not too bad...Eileen
>
> --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, liz williams wrote:
>>
>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2273164/Richard-III-Scientists-reveal-DNA-results-confirm-kings-body-car-park-Leicester.html
>>
>>
>> Massive headline on the DM front page saying "spinal curvature proves hunchback". Once you get into the actual article it is a bit better but can we all please comment on this and point out that it does NOT mean he had a hump?
>>
>> I'm sick to death of this.
>>
>>
>>
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680 metres - was he found in Leicester or Johannesburg?

----- Original Message -----
From: liz williams
To:
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: Re: For crying out loud - the hump remains



Oh it's read by a bunch of idiots. Have you read some of the comments about the obvious typo of the body being found "680 metres below the car park"?

There are some good pictures on there now of Richard remains - awful though. His poor spine, it does look very severe.

From: EileenB cherryripe.eileenb@...>
To:
Sent: Monday, 4 February 2013, 13:08
Subject: Re: For crying out loud - the hump remains


Ive done so Liz....although when you read some of the comments left...which leave the impression that the DM is being read by mainly Neanderthal Man...its probably a waste of time..As you said..the rest of the article was not too bad...Eileen

--- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, liz williams wrote:
>
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2273164/Richard-III-Scientists-reveal-DNA-results-confirm-kings-body-car-park-Leicester.html
>
>
> Massive headline on the DM front page saying "spinal curvature proves hunchback". Once you get into the actual article it is a bit better but can we all please comment on this and point out that it does NOT mean he had a hump?
>
> I'm sick to death of this.
>
>
>

You are so right, Paul! It's quite a contrast with Richard's respectful and
possibly even reverential treatment of Henry VI's remains, reburying him at
Windsor after Edward IV's death.

The sensitive and perceptive will always be drawn to find out the truth
about Richard in my view. And the others are not worth worrying about!

Loyaulte me lie,

Johanne

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Johanne L. Tournier

Email - jltournier60@...
or jltournier@...

"With God, all things are possible."
- Jesus of Nazareth
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-----Original Message-----
From:
[mailto:] On Behalf Of Paul Trevor
Bale
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 10:35 AM
To:
Subject: Re: Re: For crying out loud - the hump
remains

We are all family members mourning his treatment.
Paul

Richard Liveth Yet!




On 4 Feb 2013, at 13:51, Johanne Tournier wrote:

> And the details show how the vertebrae grew unevenly. I am no expert for
sure, but they did say the condition was idiopathic, Richard was over age 10
when it started; it was probably around the onset of puberty. And they did
say that his build was unusually slender for a man's. I am thinking that the
intensive training that he underwent, of necessity, would have at the least
seriously aggravated the condition or possibly even caused it. Had he been
dedicated to the Church from childhood, he may have been spared that
affliction, or at least the worst effects of it.
>
>
>
> It's terrible to think of how his body was treated. In the notes they say
he didn't even have a shroud, let alone a coffin, which I find astounding. I
wonder if he still had the noose around his neck . . . we will probably
never know, but it certainly does seem that his hands were bound.
>
>
>
> It's obvious he couldn't have been a hunchback!! The curve in the spine is
sideways. Sheesh!
>
>
>
> I do feel like I am mourning a member of my family who has just died.
>
>
>
> Loyaulte me lie,
>
>
>
> Johanne
>
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Johanne L. Tournier
>
>
>
> Email - jltournier60@...
>
> or jltournier@...
>
>
>
> "With God, all things are possible."
>
> - Jesus of Nazareth
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
>
> From:
[mailto:] On Behalf Of liz williams
> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 9:29 AM
> To:
> Subject: Re: Re: For crying out loud - the
hump remains
>
>
>
>
>
> Oh it's read by a bunch of idiots. Have you read some of the comments
about the obvious typo of the body being found "680 metres below the car
park"?
>
> There are some good pictures on there now of Richard remains - awful
though. His poor spine, it does look very severe.
>
> From: EileenB cherryripe.eileenb@...
<mailto:cherryripe.eileenb%40googlemail.com> >
> To:
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, 4 February 2013, 13:08
> Subject: Re: For crying out loud - the hump
remains
>
>
> Ive done so Liz....although when you read some of the comments
left...which leave the impression that the DM is being read by mainly
Neanderthal Man...its probably a waste of time..As you said..the rest of the
article was not too bad...Eileen
>
> --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, liz williams
wrote:
>>
>>
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2273164/Richard-III-Scientist
s-reveal-DNA-results-confirm-kings-body-car-park-Leicester.html
>>
>>
>> Massive headline on the DM front page saying "spinal curvature proves
hunchback". Once you get into the actual article it is a bit better but can
we all please comment on this and point out that it does NOT mean he had a
hump?
>>
>> I'm sick to death of this.
>>
>>
>>
>
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And 5' 8" in those days was not short at all!

 



-----Original Message-----
From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of eileen bates
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 8:17 AM
To:
Subject: Re: Re: For crying out loud - the hump remains

A man can be slender and strong...Its known as being wiry....couple that with determination and you have got someone who can achieve as much as a bigger and taller man. Eileen On 4 Feb 2013, at 14:08, Ishita Bandyo wrote:

> 5'8" in not short. It is average height. If you keep comparing him with a robust 6.4 , he is going to come up short! If he had to wield those heavy arms and ride those war horses, he had to be very strong! What do they mean by very slender? He was definitely not a weakling!
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> On Feb 4, 2013, at 9:01 AM, Hilary Jones hjnatdat@...> wrote:
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> > Let's be positive. It DOES confirm von Popplau who said he had slender arms and legs and was taller than him. 5ft 8in was pretty tall for then. This has been dismissed in the past as VP being small. And, VP was one who did not believe the Princes were dead, I seem to recall? Perhaps we should find a rep to shout about that? H.
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> > And the details show how the vertebrae grew unevenly. I am no expert for sure, but they did say the condition was idiopathic, Richard was over age 10 when it started; it was probably around the onset of puberty. And they did say that his build was unusually slender for a man's. I am thinking that the intensive training that he underwent, of necessity, would have at the least seriously aggravated the condition or possibly even caused it. Had he been dedicated to the Church from childhood, he may have been spared that affliction, or at least the worst effects of it.
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> > It's terrible to think of how his body was treated. In the notes they say he didn't even have a shroud, let alone a coffin, which I find astounding. I wonder if he still had the noose around his neck . . . we will probably never know, but it certainly does seem that his hands were bound.
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> > It's obvious he couldn't have been a hunchback!! The curve in the spine is sideways. Sheesh!
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> > I do feel like I am mourning a member of my family who has just died.
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> > Loyaulte me lie,
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> > From:
> > [mailto:] On Behalf Of liz
> > williams
> > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 9:29 AM
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> > Oh it's read by a bunch of idiots. Have you read some of the comments about the obvious typo of the body being found "680 metres below the car park"?
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> > There are some good pictures on there now of Richard remains - awful though. His poor spine, it does look very severe.
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> > From: EileenB cherryripe.eileenb@... >
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> > Sent: Monday, 4 February 2013, 13:08
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> > Ive done so Liz....although when you read some of the comments
> > left...which leave the impression that the DM is being read by
> > mainly Neanderthal Man...its probably a waste of time..As you
> > said..the rest of the article was not too bad...Eileen
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> > --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, liz williams wrote:
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> > > http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2273164/Richard-III
> > > -Scientists-reveal-DNA-results-confirm-kings-body-car-park-Leicest
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> > > Massive headline on the DM front page saying "spinal curvature proves hunchback". Once you get into the actual article it is a bit better but can we all please comment on this and point out that it does NOT mean he had a hump?
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Hilary Jones wrote:
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> [snip] A good guy is just ........ boring. 
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Carol responds:

Not if that good guy is a certain maligned king!

Carol

A director who has read my script made the comment that it is very hard to make a good guy interesting, but that I somehow managed to do it. However she missed the sardonic humour of THAT play.
Can't win with some....
Paul



Richard Liveth Yet!




On 4 Feb 2013, at 18:48, justcarol67 wrote:

> Hilary Jones wrote:
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>> [snip] A good guy is just ........ boring.
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> Not if that good guy is a certain maligned king!
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Not if one is trying to right a historical injustice! No one could accuse
Richard of being boring. The only problem we've got is that there are great
swaths of his life, when I am sure he was very busy, about which there is
very little in the historical record, more's the pity.



BTW,looking at the skull and then looking at my wall paper of the NPG
portrait . . . it seems to me that there is a distinct resemblance,
especially in the strong chin, which to me looks more like Richard's than
the Society of Antiquaries portrait, which I tend to assume is older.



Loyaulte me lie,



Johanne

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From:
[mailto:] On Behalf Of justcarol67
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 2:48 PM
To:
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Hilary Jones wrote:
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> [snip] A good guy is just ........ boring.
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Carol responds:

Not if that good guy is a certain maligned king!

Carol

Johanne,
 
I meant the media could find him boring - not me!   With smiles H


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From: Johanne Tournier <jltournier60@...>
To:
Sent: Monday, 4 February 2013, 19:15
Subject: RE: For crying out loud - the hump remains

 

Not if one is trying to right a historical injustice! No one could accuse
Richard of being boring. The only problem we've got is that there are great
swaths of his life, when I am sure he was very busy, about which there is
very little in the historical record, more's the pity.

BTW,looking at the skull and then looking at my wall paper of the NPG
portrait . . . it seems to me that there is a distinct resemblance,
especially in the strong chin, which to me looks more like Richard's than
the Society of Antiquaries portrait, which I tend to assume is older.

Loyaulte me lie,

Johanne

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Johanne L. Tournier

Email - jltournier60@...

or jltournier@...

"With God, all things are possible."

- Jesus of Nazareth

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From:
[mailto:] On Behalf Of justcarol67
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 2:48 PM
To:
Subject: Re: For crying out loud - the hump
remains

Hilary Jones wrote:
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> [snip] A good guy is just ........ boring.
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Carol responds:

Not if that good guy is a certain maligned king!

Carol

To the media Carol, not me ....don't think he'll be boring now having seen the facial re-construction



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From: justcarol67 <justcarol67@...>
To:
Sent: Monday, 4 February 2013, 18:48
Subject: Re: For crying out loud - the hump remains

 

Hilary Jones wrote:
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> [snip] A good guy is just ........ boring. 
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Carol responds:

Not if that good guy is a certain maligned king!

Carol

--- In , Hilary Jones wrote:
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> To the media Carol, not me ....don't think he'll be boring now having seen the facial re-construction

Carol responds:

Maybe CBS will rethink its position when they see him! What wicked uncle ever looked like that? And who would be looking to see if one shoulder was higher than the other? Anyone still wondering whether Anne Neville was in love with him?

I've been rather anxious and unhappy all day, worried about the hunchback idea being reinforced, but these screen caps wipe all that pain away. (It's not that I feel any differently about Richard himself; far from it. It's just that we now have ammunition against his detractors. This is not Shakespeare's Richard! I hope that this face becomes as recognizable as the National Portrait Gallery portrait and more so than the society of Antiquities one, which I never liked.

Carol