degree of scoliosis
degree of scoliosis
2013-02-04 21:25:03
Re, spinal deformity: Since the grave hole was too small for Richards body, and his body was laid in feet first and then folded a bit to fill the grave cavity and lay there for over 500 years&.well, might the extreme bend of his spine be accentuated by his taller body folded into the smaller grave hole? After 500 years of dirt pressure, how much un natural curvature was added to his spine, other than the normal distortion in his living body. Has this been addressed. Is this idea valid. it seems the extreme curvature would almost inhibit even a fit man, from wearing armor, fighting with heavy weapons, and riding a horse for many miles many days. Any thoughts on this? Carol D.
Re: degree of scoliosis
2013-02-04 21:41:46
--- In , Carol Darling wrote:
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> Re, spinal deformity: Since the grave hole was too small for Richards body, and his body was laid in feet first and then folded a bit to fill the grave cavity and lay there for over 500 years….well, might the extreme bend of his spine be accentuated by his taller body folded into the smaller grave hole? After 500 years of dirt pressure, how much un natural curvature was added to his spine, other than the normal distortion in his living body. Has this been addressed. Is this idea valid. it seems the extreme curvature would almost inhibit even a fit man, from wearing armor, fighting with heavy weapons, and riding a horse for many miles many days. Any thoughts on this? Carol D.
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Carol T. responds:
Interesting idea, but I think that Jo Appleby would have mentioned it if that were the case. But since the bend is sideways, not front to back as in kyphosis, I doubt that it would have interfered with wearing armor. It just occurred to me that Richard might actually have felt comfortable in armor since it would work as a back brace. As Carol D. said, any thoughts?
Carol (T)
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> Re, spinal deformity: Since the grave hole was too small for Richards body, and his body was laid in feet first and then folded a bit to fill the grave cavity and lay there for over 500 years….well, might the extreme bend of his spine be accentuated by his taller body folded into the smaller grave hole? After 500 years of dirt pressure, how much un natural curvature was added to his spine, other than the normal distortion in his living body. Has this been addressed. Is this idea valid. it seems the extreme curvature would almost inhibit even a fit man, from wearing armor, fighting with heavy weapons, and riding a horse for many miles many days. Any thoughts on this? Carol D.
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Carol T. responds:
Interesting idea, but I think that Jo Appleby would have mentioned it if that were the case. But since the bend is sideways, not front to back as in kyphosis, I doubt that it would have interfered with wearing armor. It just occurred to me that Richard might actually have felt comfortable in armor since it would work as a back brace. As Carol D. said, any thoughts?
Carol (T)
Re: degree of scoliosis
2013-02-04 21:49:05
Interesting point Carol but they also showed photos of his vertebra pointing out the inconsistent growth that lead to the scoliosis. One thing I did note was the fact when the bones were laid out the individual separation given to each vertebra was quite large which gives rise o an accumulative error, also one side of his rib cage appeared relatively normal while the other appeared distended and flattened.
George
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On Feb 4, 2013, at 4:25 PM, Carol Darling <cdarlingart1@...> wrote:
> Re, spinal deformity: Since the grave hole was too small for Richards body, and his body was laid in feet first and then folded a bit to fill the grave cavity and lay there for over 500 years&.well, might the extreme bend of his spine be accentuated by his taller body folded into the smaller grave hole? After 500 years of dirt pressure, how much un natural curvature was added to his spine, other than the normal distortion in his living body. Has this been addressed. Is this idea valid. it seems the extreme curvature would almost inhibit even a fit man, from wearing armor, fighting with heavy weapons, and riding a horse for many miles many days. Any thoughts on this? Carol D.
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On Feb 4, 2013, at 4:25 PM, Carol Darling <cdarlingart1@...> wrote:
> Re, spinal deformity: Since the grave hole was too small for Richards body, and his body was laid in feet first and then folded a bit to fill the grave cavity and lay there for over 500 years&.well, might the extreme bend of his spine be accentuated by his taller body folded into the smaller grave hole? After 500 years of dirt pressure, how much un natural curvature was added to his spine, other than the normal distortion in his living body. Has this been addressed. Is this idea valid. it seems the extreme curvature would almost inhibit even a fit man, from wearing armor, fighting with heavy weapons, and riding a horse for many miles many days. Any thoughts on this? Carol D.
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Re: degree of scoliosis
2013-02-04 21:54:15
On first sight Jo Appleby was saying it was a hunchback...Poor Philippa visibly shocked.
Very touching when they covered the box with the remains in to the van covered in Richard's colours Laters...Eileen
--- In , "justcarol67" wrote:
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> --- In , Carol Darling wrote:
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> > Re, spinal deformity: Since the grave hole was too small for Richards body, and his body was laid in feet first and then folded a bit to fill the grave cavity and lay there for over 500 years….well, might the extreme bend of his spine be accentuated by his taller body folded into the smaller grave hole? After 500 years of dirt pressure, how much un natural curvature was added to his spine, other than the normal distortion in his living body. Has this been addressed. Is this idea valid. it seems the extreme curvature would almost inhibit even a fit man, from wearing armor, fighting with heavy weapons, and riding a horse for many miles many days. Any thoughts on this? Carol D.
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> Carol T. responds:
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> Interesting idea, but I think that Jo Appleby would have mentioned it if that were the case. But since the bend is sideways, not front to back as in kyphosis, I doubt that it would have interfered with wearing armor. It just occurred to me that Richard might actually have felt comfortable in armor since it would work as a back brace. As Carol D. said, any thoughts?
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> Carol (T)
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Very touching when they covered the box with the remains in to the van covered in Richard's colours Laters...Eileen
--- In , "justcarol67" wrote:
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> --- In , Carol Darling wrote:
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> > Re, spinal deformity: Since the grave hole was too small for Richards body, and his body was laid in feet first and then folded a bit to fill the grave cavity and lay there for over 500 years….well, might the extreme bend of his spine be accentuated by his taller body folded into the smaller grave hole? After 500 years of dirt pressure, how much un natural curvature was added to his spine, other than the normal distortion in his living body. Has this been addressed. Is this idea valid. it seems the extreme curvature would almost inhibit even a fit man, from wearing armor, fighting with heavy weapons, and riding a horse for many miles many days. Any thoughts on this? Carol D.
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> Carol T. responds:
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> Interesting idea, but I think that Jo Appleby would have mentioned it if that were the case. But since the bend is sideways, not front to back as in kyphosis, I doubt that it would have interfered with wearing armor. It just occurred to me that Richard might actually have felt comfortable in armor since it would work as a back brace. As Carol D. said, any thoughts?
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> Carol (T)
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Re: degree of scoliosis
2013-02-04 22:04:16
Eileen wrote:
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> On first sight Jo Appleby was saying it was a hunchback...Poor Philippa visibly shocked. [snip]
Carol responds:
What? Did Jo Appleby correct herself? Did Philippa say anything? That's reprehensible!
Carol
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> On first sight Jo Appleby was saying it was a hunchback...Poor Philippa visibly shocked. [snip]
Carol responds:
What? Did Jo Appleby correct herself? Did Philippa say anything? That's reprehensible!
Carol
Re: degree of scoliosis
2013-02-04 22:11:19
Jo Appleby's colleague...when the bones were laid out still uses the term hunchback...although he says that it would not have been noticeable....with the curve going sideways...I think he is using the term in a very general term...
Also the bones were of a feminine build...slight....Just amazing Richard fought so courageously and well...ooop back on.
--- In , "justcarol67" wrote:
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> Eileen wrote:
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> > On first sight Jo Appleby was saying it was a hunchback...Poor Philippa visibly shocked. [snip]
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> Carol responds:
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> What? Did Jo Appleby correct herself? Did Philippa say anything? That's reprehensible!
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> Carol
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Also the bones were of a feminine build...slight....Just amazing Richard fought so courageously and well...ooop back on.
--- In , "justcarol67" wrote:
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> Eileen wrote:
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> > On first sight Jo Appleby was saying it was a hunchback...Poor Philippa visibly shocked. [snip]
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> Carol responds:
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> What? Did Jo Appleby correct herself? Did Philippa say anything? That's reprehensible!
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> Carol
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Re: degree of scoliosis
2013-02-04 22:18:18
I couldn't believe that Jo Appleby said that but her colleague has since - when asked - pointed out that "hunchback" is not a medical term and that when Richard was dressed, most people would probably notice almost nothing.
Of course the bloody anti-brigade will leap on this as proof that he is what Shakespare said.
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From: EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@...>
To:
Sent: Monday, 4 February 2013, 22:11
Subject: Re: degree of scoliosis
Jo Appleby's colleague...when the bones were laid out still uses the term hunchback...although he says that it would not have been noticeable....with the curve going sideways...I think he is using the term in a very general term...
Also the bones were of a feminine build...slight....Just amazing Richard fought so courageously and well...ooop back on.
--- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67" wrote:
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> Eileen wrote:
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> > On first sight Jo Appleby was saying it was a hunchback...Poor Philippa visibly shocked. [snip]
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> Carol responds:
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> What? Did Jo Appleby correct herself? Did Philippa say anything? That's reprehensible!
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> Carol
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Of course the bloody anti-brigade will leap on this as proof that he is what Shakespare said.
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From: EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@...>
To:
Sent: Monday, 4 February 2013, 22:11
Subject: Re: degree of scoliosis
Jo Appleby's colleague...when the bones were laid out still uses the term hunchback...although he says that it would not have been noticeable....with the curve going sideways...I think he is using the term in a very general term...
Also the bones were of a feminine build...slight....Just amazing Richard fought so courageously and well...ooop back on.
--- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67" wrote:
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> Eileen wrote:
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> > On first sight Jo Appleby was saying it was a hunchback...Poor Philippa visibly shocked. [snip]
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> Carol responds:
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> What? Did Jo Appleby correct herself? Did Philippa say anything? That's reprehensible!
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> Carol
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Re: degree of scoliosis
2013-02-04 22:23:13
I didnt imagine then Liz...but I thought it was the colleague used the term....its an unfortunate choice of words...It was clarified though that it may not have shown up when dressed. They did show a picture of someone with scolocis from behind which was quite twisted.
Richard would have had a high protein diet with lots of fish....
Thy are building the face up now...
On 4 Feb 2013, at 22:18, liz williams wrote:
> I couldn't believe that Jo Appleby said that but her colleague has since - when asked - pointed out that "hunchback" is not a medical term and that when Richard was dressed, most people would probably notice almost nothing.
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> Of course the bloody anti-brigade will leap on this as proof that he is what Shakespare said.
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> From: EileenB cherryripe.eileenb@...>
> To:
> Sent: Monday, 4 February 2013, 22:11
> Subject: Re: degree of scoliosis
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> Jo Appleby's colleague...when the bones were laid out still uses the term hunchback...although he says that it would not have been noticeable....with the curve going sideways...I think he is using the term in a very general term...
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> Also the bones were of a feminine build...slight....Just amazing Richard fought so courageously and well...ooop back on.
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> --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67" wrote:
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> > Eileen wrote:
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> > > On first sight Jo Appleby was saying it was a hunchback...Poor Philippa visibly shocked. [snip]
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> > What? Did Jo Appleby correct herself? Did Philippa say anything? That's reprehensible!
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> > Carol
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Richard would have had a high protein diet with lots of fish....
Thy are building the face up now...
On 4 Feb 2013, at 22:18, liz williams wrote:
> I couldn't believe that Jo Appleby said that but her colleague has since - when asked - pointed out that "hunchback" is not a medical term and that when Richard was dressed, most people would probably notice almost nothing.
>
> Of course the bloody anti-brigade will leap on this as proof that he is what Shakespare said.
>
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> From: EileenB cherryripe.eileenb@...>
> To:
> Sent: Monday, 4 February 2013, 22:11
> Subject: Re: degree of scoliosis
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>
> Jo Appleby's colleague...when the bones were laid out still uses the term hunchback...although he says that it would not have been noticeable....with the curve going sideways...I think he is using the term in a very general term...
>
> Also the bones were of a feminine build...slight....Just amazing Richard fought so courageously and well...ooop back on.
>
> --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67" wrote:
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> > Eileen wrote:
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> > > On first sight Jo Appleby was saying it was a hunchback...Poor Philippa visibly shocked. [snip]
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> > Carol responds:
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> > What? Did Jo Appleby correct herself? Did Philippa say anything? That's reprehensible!
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> > Carol
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Re: degree of scoliosis
2013-02-04 22:39:57
Eileen wrote:
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> Jo Appleby's colleague...when the bones were laid out still uses the term hunchback...although he says that it would not have been noticeable....with the curve going sideways...I think he is using the term in a very general term...
Carol responds:
Nevertheless, that's extremely unfortunate as this program was supposed to present Richard favorably and accurately. No wonder Annette withdrew from it. It will be very hard to correct detractors who quote these "experts."
Carol
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> Jo Appleby's colleague...when the bones were laid out still uses the term hunchback...although he says that it would not have been noticeable....with the curve going sideways...I think he is using the term in a very general term...
Carol responds:
Nevertheless, that's extremely unfortunate as this program was supposed to present Richard favorably and accurately. No wonder Annette withdrew from it. It will be very hard to correct detractors who quote these "experts."
Carol
Re: Facial Reconstruction
2013-02-04 22:40:15
Facial reconstruction: Richard far handsomer than any of his portraits...
Philippa such a bag of nerves had to be supported when she entered the room to see the result of the reconstruction..
I look forward to everybody being able to see this programme so we can discuss....Eileen
All in all a very good programme..
On 4 Feb 2013, at 22:23, eileen bates wrote:
> I didnt imagine then Liz...but I thought it was the colleague used the term....its an unfortunate choice of words...It was clarified though that it may not have shown up when dressed. They did show a picture of someone with scolocis from behind which was quite twisted.
>
> Richard would have had a high protein diet with lots of fish....
>
> Thy are building the face up now...
> On 4 Feb 2013, at 22:18, liz williams wrote:
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>> I couldn't believe that Jo Appleby said that but her colleague has since - when asked - pointed out that "hunchback" is not a medical term and that when Richard was dressed, most people would probably notice almost nothing.
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>> Of course the bloody anti-brigade will leap on this as proof that he is what Shakespare said.
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: EileenB cherryripe.eileenb@...>
>> To:
>> Sent: Monday, 4 February 2013, 22:11
>> Subject: Re: degree of scoliosis
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>> Jo Appleby's colleague...when the bones were laid out still uses the term hunchback...although he says that it would not have been noticeable....with the curve going sideways...I think he is using the term in a very general term...
>>
>> Also the bones were of a feminine build...slight....Just amazing Richard fought so courageously and well...ooop back on.
>>
>> --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67" wrote:
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>>> Eileen wrote:
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>>>> On first sight Jo Appleby was saying it was a hunchback...Poor Philippa visibly shocked. [snip]
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>>> Carol responds:
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>>> What? Did Jo Appleby correct herself? Did Philippa say anything? That's reprehensible!
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>>> Carol
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Philippa such a bag of nerves had to be supported when she entered the room to see the result of the reconstruction..
I look forward to everybody being able to see this programme so we can discuss....Eileen
All in all a very good programme..
On 4 Feb 2013, at 22:23, eileen bates wrote:
> I didnt imagine then Liz...but I thought it was the colleague used the term....its an unfortunate choice of words...It was clarified though that it may not have shown up when dressed. They did show a picture of someone with scolocis from behind which was quite twisted.
>
> Richard would have had a high protein diet with lots of fish....
>
> Thy are building the face up now...
> On 4 Feb 2013, at 22:18, liz williams wrote:
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>> I couldn't believe that Jo Appleby said that but her colleague has since - when asked - pointed out that "hunchback" is not a medical term and that when Richard was dressed, most people would probably notice almost nothing.
>>
>> Of course the bloody anti-brigade will leap on this as proof that he is what Shakespare said.
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: EileenB cherryripe.eileenb@...>
>> To:
>> Sent: Monday, 4 February 2013, 22:11
>> Subject: Re: degree of scoliosis
>>
>>
>> Jo Appleby's colleague...when the bones were laid out still uses the term hunchback...although he says that it would not have been noticeable....with the curve going sideways...I think he is using the term in a very general term...
>>
>> Also the bones were of a feminine build...slight....Just amazing Richard fought so courageously and well...ooop back on.
>>
>> --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67" wrote:
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>>>
>>> Eileen wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On first sight Jo Appleby was saying it was a hunchback...Poor Philippa visibly shocked. [snip]
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>>> Carol responds:
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>>> What? Did Jo Appleby correct herself? Did Philippa say anything? That's reprehensible!
>>>
>>> Carol
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Re: Facial Reconstruction
2013-02-04 22:43:56
Farnaby much better than expected and Richard well just beautiful (I was expecting the worse). Kill those adverts H
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From: eileen bates <eileenbates147@...>
To:
Sent: Monday, 4 February 2013, 22:40
Subject: Re: Facial Reconstruction
Facial reconstruction: Richard far handsomer than any of his portraits...
Philippa such a bag of nerves had to be supported when she entered the room to see the result of the reconstruction..
I look forward to everybody being able to see this programme so we can discuss....Eileen
All in all a very good programme..
On 4 Feb 2013, at 22:23, eileen bates wrote:
> I didnt imagine then Liz...but I thought it was the colleague used the term....its an unfortunate choice of words...It was clarified though that it may not have shown up when dressed. They did show a picture of someone with scolocis from behind which was quite twisted.
>
> Richard would have had a high protein diet with lots of fish....
>
> Thy are building the face up now...
> On 4 Feb 2013, at 22:18, liz williams wrote:
>
>> I couldn't believe that Jo Appleby said that but her colleague has since - when asked - pointed out that "hunchback" is not a medical term and that when Richard was dressed, most people would probably notice almost nothing.
>>
>> Of course the bloody anti-brigade will leap on this as proof that he is what Shakespare said.
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: EileenB cherryripe.eileenb@...>
>> To:
>> Sent: Monday, 4 February 2013, 22:11
>> Subject: Re: degree of scoliosis
>>
>>
>> Jo Appleby's colleague...when the bones were laid out still uses the term hunchback...although he says that it would not have been noticeable....with the curve going sideways...I think he is using the term in a very general term...
>>
>> Also the bones were of a feminine build...slight....Just amazing Richard fought so courageously and well...ooop back on.
>>
>> --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67" wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Eileen wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On first sight Jo Appleby was saying it was a hunchback...Poor Philippa visibly shocked. [snip]
>>>
>>> Carol responds:
>>>
>>> What? Did Jo Appleby correct herself? Did Philippa say anything? That's reprehensible!
>>>
>>> Carol
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From: eileen bates <eileenbates147@...>
To:
Sent: Monday, 4 February 2013, 22:40
Subject: Re: Facial Reconstruction
Facial reconstruction: Richard far handsomer than any of his portraits...
Philippa such a bag of nerves had to be supported when she entered the room to see the result of the reconstruction..
I look forward to everybody being able to see this programme so we can discuss....Eileen
All in all a very good programme..
On 4 Feb 2013, at 22:23, eileen bates wrote:
> I didnt imagine then Liz...but I thought it was the colleague used the term....its an unfortunate choice of words...It was clarified though that it may not have shown up when dressed. They did show a picture of someone with scolocis from behind which was quite twisted.
>
> Richard would have had a high protein diet with lots of fish....
>
> Thy are building the face up now...
> On 4 Feb 2013, at 22:18, liz williams wrote:
>
>> I couldn't believe that Jo Appleby said that but her colleague has since - when asked - pointed out that "hunchback" is not a medical term and that when Richard was dressed, most people would probably notice almost nothing.
>>
>> Of course the bloody anti-brigade will leap on this as proof that he is what Shakespare said.
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: EileenB cherryripe.eileenb@...>
>> To:
>> Sent: Monday, 4 February 2013, 22:11
>> Subject: Re: degree of scoliosis
>>
>>
>> Jo Appleby's colleague...when the bones were laid out still uses the term hunchback...although he says that it would not have been noticeable....with the curve going sideways...I think he is using the term in a very general term...
>>
>> Also the bones were of a feminine build...slight....Just amazing Richard fought so courageously and well...ooop back on.
>>
>> --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67" wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Eileen wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On first sight Jo Appleby was saying it was a hunchback...Poor Philippa visibly shocked. [snip]
>>>
>>> Carol responds:
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>>> What? Did Jo Appleby correct herself? Did Philippa say anything? That's reprehensible!
>>>
>>> Carol
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Re: Facial Reconstruction
2013-02-04 22:48:34
I always knew he'd be handsome.
Karen
-----Original Message-----
From: Hilary Jones
Sent: 4 Feb 2013 22:44:01 GMT
To:
Subject: Re: Facial Reconstruction
Farnaby much better than expected and Richard well just beautiful (I was expecting the worse). Kill those adverts H
________________________________
From: eileen bates <eileenbates147@...>
To:
Sent: Monday, 4 February 2013, 22:40
Subject: Re: Facial Reconstruction
Facial reconstruction: Richard far handsomer than any of his portraits...
Philippa such a bag of nerves had to be supported when she entered the room to see the result of the reconstruction..
I look forward to everybody being able to see this programme so we can discuss....Eileen
All in all a very good programme..
On 4 Feb 2013, at 22:23, eileen bates wrote:
> I didnt imagine then Liz...but I thought it was the colleague used the term....its an unfortunate choice of words...It was clarified though that it may not have shown up when dressed. They did show a picture of someone with scolocis from behind which was quite twisted.
>
> Richard would have had a high protein diet with lots of fish....
>
> Thy are building the face up now...
> On 4 Feb 2013, at 22:18, liz williams wrote:
>
>> I couldn't believe that Jo Appleby said that but her colleague has since - when asked - pointed out that "hunchback" is not a medical term and that when Richard was dressed, most people would probably notice almost nothing.
>>
>> Of course the bloody anti-brigade will leap on this as proof that he is what Shakespare said.
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: EileenB cherryripe.eileenb@...>
>> To:
>> Sent: Monday, 4 February 2013, 22:11
>> Subject: Re: degree of scoliosis
>>
>>
>> Jo Appleby's colleague...when the bones were laid out still uses the term hunchback...although he says that it would not have been noticeable....with the curve going sideways...I think he is using the term in a very general term...
>>
>> Also the bones were of a feminine build...slight....Just amazing Richard fought so courageously and well...ooop back on.
>>
>> --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67" wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Eileen wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On first sight Jo Appleby was saying it was a hunchback...Poor Philippa visibly shocked. [snip]
>>>
>>> Carol responds:
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>>> What? Did Jo Appleby correct herself? Did Philippa say anything? That's reprehensible!
>>>
>>> Carol
>>>
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Karen
-----Original Message-----
From: Hilary Jones
Sent: 4 Feb 2013 22:44:01 GMT
To:
Subject: Re: Facial Reconstruction
Farnaby much better than expected and Richard well just beautiful (I was expecting the worse). Kill those adverts H
________________________________
From: eileen bates <eileenbates147@...>
To:
Sent: Monday, 4 February 2013, 22:40
Subject: Re: Facial Reconstruction
Facial reconstruction: Richard far handsomer than any of his portraits...
Philippa such a bag of nerves had to be supported when she entered the room to see the result of the reconstruction..
I look forward to everybody being able to see this programme so we can discuss....Eileen
All in all a very good programme..
On 4 Feb 2013, at 22:23, eileen bates wrote:
> I didnt imagine then Liz...but I thought it was the colleague used the term....its an unfortunate choice of words...It was clarified though that it may not have shown up when dressed. They did show a picture of someone with scolocis from behind which was quite twisted.
>
> Richard would have had a high protein diet with lots of fish....
>
> Thy are building the face up now...
> On 4 Feb 2013, at 22:18, liz williams wrote:
>
>> I couldn't believe that Jo Appleby said that but her colleague has since - when asked - pointed out that "hunchback" is not a medical term and that when Richard was dressed, most people would probably notice almost nothing.
>>
>> Of course the bloody anti-brigade will leap on this as proof that he is what Shakespare said.
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: EileenB cherryripe.eileenb@...>
>> To:
>> Sent: Monday, 4 February 2013, 22:11
>> Subject: Re: degree of scoliosis
>>
>>
>> Jo Appleby's colleague...when the bones were laid out still uses the term hunchback...although he says that it would not have been noticeable....with the curve going sideways...I think he is using the term in a very general term...
>>
>> Also the bones were of a feminine build...slight....Just amazing Richard fought so courageously and well...ooop back on.
>>
>> --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67" wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Eileen wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On first sight Jo Appleby was saying it was a hunchback...Poor Philippa visibly shocked. [snip]
>>>
>>> Carol responds:
>>>
>>> What? Did Jo Appleby correct herself? Did Philippa say anything? That's reprehensible!
>>>
>>> Carol
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Re: Facial Reconstruction
2013-02-04 22:49:32
Philippa Langley (from the live Q&A):
PHILIPPA LANGLEY: He lost his tooth sometime when in the grave, not in life ...
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Da: eileen bates <eileenbates147@...>
A:
Inviato: Lunedì 4 Febbraio 2013 23:40
Oggetto: Re: Facial Reconstruction
Facial reconstruction: Richard far handsomer than any of his portraits...
Philippa such a bag of nerves had to be supported when she entered the room to see the result of the reconstruction..
I look forward to everybody being able to see this programme so we can discuss....Eileen
All in all a very good programme..
On 4 Feb 2013, at 22:23, eileen bates wrote:
> I didnt imagine then Liz...but I thought it was the colleague used the term....its an unfortunate choice of words...It was clarified though that it may not have shown up when dressed. They did show a picture of someone with scolocis from behind which was quite twisted.
>
> Richard would have had a high protein diet with lots of fish....
>
> Thy are building the face up now...
> On 4 Feb 2013, at 22:18, liz williams wrote:
>
>> I couldn't believe that Jo Appleby said that but her colleague has since - when asked - pointed out that "hunchback" is not a medical term and that when Richard was dressed, most people would probably notice almost nothing.
>>
>> Of course the bloody anti-brigade will leap on this as proof that he is what Shakespare said.
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: EileenB cherryripe.eileenb@...>
>> To:
>> Sent: Monday, 4 February 2013, 22:11
>> Subject: Re: degree of scoliosis
>>
>>
>> Jo Appleby's colleague...when the bones were laid out still uses the term hunchback...although he says that it would not have been noticeable....with the curve going sideways...I think he is using the term in a very general term...
>>
>> Also the bones were of a feminine build...slight....Just amazing Richard fought so courageously and well...ooop back on.
>>
>> --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67" wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Eileen wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On first sight Jo Appleby was saying it was a hunchback...Poor Philippa visibly shocked. [snip]
>>>
>>> Carol responds:
>>>
>>> What? Did Jo Appleby correct herself? Did Philippa say anything? That's reprehensible!
>>>
>>> Carol
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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>
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> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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>
PHILIPPA LANGLEY: He lost his tooth sometime when in the grave, not in life ...
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Da: eileen bates <eileenbates147@...>
A:
Inviato: Lunedì 4 Febbraio 2013 23:40
Oggetto: Re: Facial Reconstruction
Facial reconstruction: Richard far handsomer than any of his portraits...
Philippa such a bag of nerves had to be supported when she entered the room to see the result of the reconstruction..
I look forward to everybody being able to see this programme so we can discuss....Eileen
All in all a very good programme..
On 4 Feb 2013, at 22:23, eileen bates wrote:
> I didnt imagine then Liz...but I thought it was the colleague used the term....its an unfortunate choice of words...It was clarified though that it may not have shown up when dressed. They did show a picture of someone with scolocis from behind which was quite twisted.
>
> Richard would have had a high protein diet with lots of fish....
>
> Thy are building the face up now...
> On 4 Feb 2013, at 22:18, liz williams wrote:
>
>> I couldn't believe that Jo Appleby said that but her colleague has since - when asked - pointed out that "hunchback" is not a medical term and that when Richard was dressed, most people would probably notice almost nothing.
>>
>> Of course the bloody anti-brigade will leap on this as proof that he is what Shakespare said.
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: EileenB cherryripe.eileenb@...>
>> To:
>> Sent: Monday, 4 February 2013, 22:11
>> Subject: Re: degree of scoliosis
>>
>>
>> Jo Appleby's colleague...when the bones were laid out still uses the term hunchback...although he says that it would not have been noticeable....with the curve going sideways...I think he is using the term in a very general term...
>>
>> Also the bones were of a feminine build...slight....Just amazing Richard fought so courageously and well...ooop back on.
>>
>> --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67" wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Eileen wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On first sight Jo Appleby was saying it was a hunchback...Poor Philippa visibly shocked. [snip]
>>>
>>> Carol responds:
>>>
>>> What? Did Jo Appleby correct herself? Did Philippa say anything? That's reprehensible!
>>>
>>> Carol
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
Re: Facial Reconstruction
2013-02-04 22:53:16
http://sphotos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/600743_10200661887369110_149414310_n.jpg
http://sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/544383_10200661885289058_1571844917_n.jpg
Screencaps taken by a friend of mine - hope they are visible.
Cecilia
________________________________
Da: eileen bates <eileenbates147@...>
A:
Inviato: Lunedì 4 Febbraio 2013 23:40
Oggetto: Re: Facial Reconstruction
Facial reconstruction: Richard far handsomer than any of his portraits...
Philippa such a bag of nerves had to be supported when she entered the room to see the result of the reconstruction..
I look forward to everybody being able to see this programme so we can discuss....Eileen
All in all a very good programme..
On 4 Feb 2013, at 22:23, eileen bates wrote:
> I didnt imagine then Liz...but I thought it was the colleague used the term....its an unfortunate choice of words...It was clarified though that it may not have shown up when dressed. They did show a picture of someone with scolocis from behind which was quite twisted.
>
> Richard would have had a high protein diet with lots of fish....
>
> Thy are building the face up now...
> On 4 Feb 2013, at 22:18, liz williams wrote:
>
>> I couldn't believe that Jo Appleby said that but her colleague has since - when asked - pointed out that "hunchback" is not a medical term and that when Richard was dressed, most people would probably notice almost nothing.
>>
>> Of course the bloody anti-brigade will leap on this as proof that he is what Shakespare said.
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: EileenB cherryripe.eileenb@...>
>> To:
>> Sent: Monday, 4 February 2013, 22:11
>> Subject: Re: degree of scoliosis
>>
>>
>> Jo Appleby's colleague...when the bones were laid out still uses the term hunchback...although he says that it would not have been noticeable....with the curve going sideways...I think he is using the term in a very general term...
>>
>> Also the bones were of a feminine build...slight....Just amazing Richard fought so courageously and well...ooop back on.
>>
>> --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67" wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Eileen wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On first sight Jo Appleby was saying it was a hunchback...Poor Philippa visibly shocked. [snip]
>>>
>>> Carol responds:
>>>
>>> What? Did Jo Appleby correct herself? Did Philippa say anything? That's reprehensible!
>>>
>>> Carol
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
http://sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/544383_10200661885289058_1571844917_n.jpg
Screencaps taken by a friend of mine - hope they are visible.
Cecilia
________________________________
Da: eileen bates <eileenbates147@...>
A:
Inviato: Lunedì 4 Febbraio 2013 23:40
Oggetto: Re: Facial Reconstruction
Facial reconstruction: Richard far handsomer than any of his portraits...
Philippa such a bag of nerves had to be supported when she entered the room to see the result of the reconstruction..
I look forward to everybody being able to see this programme so we can discuss....Eileen
All in all a very good programme..
On 4 Feb 2013, at 22:23, eileen bates wrote:
> I didnt imagine then Liz...but I thought it was the colleague used the term....its an unfortunate choice of words...It was clarified though that it may not have shown up when dressed. They did show a picture of someone with scolocis from behind which was quite twisted.
>
> Richard would have had a high protein diet with lots of fish....
>
> Thy are building the face up now...
> On 4 Feb 2013, at 22:18, liz williams wrote:
>
>> I couldn't believe that Jo Appleby said that but her colleague has since - when asked - pointed out that "hunchback" is not a medical term and that when Richard was dressed, most people would probably notice almost nothing.
>>
>> Of course the bloody anti-brigade will leap on this as proof that he is what Shakespare said.
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: EileenB cherryripe.eileenb@...>
>> To:
>> Sent: Monday, 4 February 2013, 22:11
>> Subject: Re: degree of scoliosis
>>
>>
>> Jo Appleby's colleague...when the bones were laid out still uses the term hunchback...although he says that it would not have been noticeable....with the curve going sideways...I think he is using the term in a very general term...
>>
>> Also the bones were of a feminine build...slight....Just amazing Richard fought so courageously and well...ooop back on.
>>
>> --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67" wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Eileen wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On first sight Jo Appleby was saying it was a hunchback...Poor Philippa visibly shocked. [snip]
>>>
>>> Carol responds:
>>>
>>> What? Did Jo Appleby correct herself? Did Philippa say anything? That's reprehensible!
>>>
>>> Carol
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
Re: Facial Reconstruction
2013-02-04 22:54:03
You know, perhaps he's come to our rescue himself. Who can resist a handsome face?
________________________________
From: Karen Raynor <karenraynor@...>
To:
Sent: Monday, 4 February 2013, 22:49
Subject: Re: Facial Reconstruction
I always knew he'd be handsome.
Karen
-----Original Message-----
From: Hilary Jones
Sent: 4 Feb 2013 22:44:01 GMT
To:
Subject: Re: Facial Reconstruction
Farnaby much better than expected and Richard well just beautiful (I was expecting the worse). Kill those adverts H
________________________________
From: eileen bates eileenbates147@...>
To:
Sent: Monday, 4 February 2013, 22:40
Subject: Re: Facial Reconstruction
Facial reconstruction: Richard far handsomer than any of his portraits...
Philippa such a bag of nerves had to be supported when she entered the room to see the result of the reconstruction..
I look forward to everybody being able to see this programme so we can discuss....Eileen
All in all a very good programme..
On 4 Feb 2013, at 22:23, eileen bates wrote:
> I didnt imagine then Liz...but I thought it was the colleague used the term....its an unfortunate choice of words...It was clarified though that it may not have shown up when dressed. They did show a picture of someone with scolocis from behind which was quite twisted.
>
> Richard would have had a high protein diet with lots of fish....
>
> Thy are building the face up now...
> On 4 Feb 2013, at 22:18, liz williams wrote:
>
>> I couldn't believe that Jo Appleby said that but her colleague has since - when asked - pointed out that "hunchback" is not a medical term and that when Richard was dressed, most people would probably notice almost nothing.
>>
>> Of course the bloody anti-brigade will leap on this as proof that he is what Shakespare said.
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: EileenB cherryripe.eileenb@...>
>> To:
>> Sent: Monday, 4 February 2013, 22:11
>> Subject: Re: degree of scoliosis
>>
>>
>> Jo Appleby's colleague...when the bones were laid out still uses the term hunchback...although he says that it would not have been noticeable....with the curve going sideways...I think he is using the term in a very general term...
>>
>> Also the bones were of a feminine build...slight....Just amazing Richard fought so courageously and well...ooop back on.
>>
>> --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67" wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Eileen wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On first sight Jo Appleby was saying it was a hunchback...Poor Philippa visibly shocked. [snip]
>>>
>>> Carol responds:
>>>
>>> What? Did Jo Appleby correct herself? Did Philippa say anything? That's reprehensible!
>>>
>>> Carol
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
________________________________
From: Karen Raynor <karenraynor@...>
To:
Sent: Monday, 4 February 2013, 22:49
Subject: Re: Facial Reconstruction
I always knew he'd be handsome.
Karen
-----Original Message-----
From: Hilary Jones
Sent: 4 Feb 2013 22:44:01 GMT
To:
Subject: Re: Facial Reconstruction
Farnaby much better than expected and Richard well just beautiful (I was expecting the worse). Kill those adverts H
________________________________
From: eileen bates eileenbates147@...>
To:
Sent: Monday, 4 February 2013, 22:40
Subject: Re: Facial Reconstruction
Facial reconstruction: Richard far handsomer than any of his portraits...
Philippa such a bag of nerves had to be supported when she entered the room to see the result of the reconstruction..
I look forward to everybody being able to see this programme so we can discuss....Eileen
All in all a very good programme..
On 4 Feb 2013, at 22:23, eileen bates wrote:
> I didnt imagine then Liz...but I thought it was the colleague used the term....its an unfortunate choice of words...It was clarified though that it may not have shown up when dressed. They did show a picture of someone with scolocis from behind which was quite twisted.
>
> Richard would have had a high protein diet with lots of fish....
>
> Thy are building the face up now...
> On 4 Feb 2013, at 22:18, liz williams wrote:
>
>> I couldn't believe that Jo Appleby said that but her colleague has since - when asked - pointed out that "hunchback" is not a medical term and that when Richard was dressed, most people would probably notice almost nothing.
>>
>> Of course the bloody anti-brigade will leap on this as proof that he is what Shakespare said.
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: EileenB cherryripe.eileenb@...>
>> To:
>> Sent: Monday, 4 February 2013, 22:11
>> Subject: Re: degree of scoliosis
>>
>>
>> Jo Appleby's colleague...when the bones were laid out still uses the term hunchback...although he says that it would not have been noticeable....with the curve going sideways...I think he is using the term in a very general term...
>>
>> Also the bones were of a feminine build...slight....Just amazing Richard fought so courageously and well...ooop back on.
>>
>> --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67" wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Eileen wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On first sight Jo Appleby was saying it was a hunchback...Poor Philippa visibly shocked. [snip]
>>>
>>> Carol responds:
>>>
>>> What? Did Jo Appleby correct herself? Did Philippa say anything? That's reprehensible!
>>>
>>> Carol
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
Re: Facial Reconstruction
2013-02-04 22:55:40
Very handsome ...Eileen
On 4 Feb 2013, at 22:49, Karen Raynor wrote:
> I always knew he'd be handsome.
> Karen
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: Hilary Jones
> Sent: 4 Feb 2013 22:44:01 GMT
> To:
> Subject: Re: Facial Reconstruction
>
> Farnaby much better than expected and Richard well just beautiful (I was expecting the worse). Kill those adverts H
>
> ________________________________
> From: eileen bates eileenbates147@...>
> To:
> Sent: Monday, 4 February 2013, 22:40
> Subject: Re: Facial Reconstruction
>
> Facial reconstruction: Richard far handsomer than any of his portraits...
>
> Philippa such a bag of nerves had to be supported when she entered the room to see the result of the reconstruction..
>
> I look forward to everybody being able to see this programme so we can discuss....Eileen
>
> All in all a very good programme..
> On 4 Feb 2013, at 22:23, eileen bates wrote:
>
> > I didnt imagine then Liz...but I thought it was the colleague used the term....its an unfortunate choice of words...It was clarified though that it may not have shown up when dressed. They did show a picture of someone with scolocis from behind which was quite twisted.
> >
> > Richard would have had a high protein diet with lots of fish....
> >
> > Thy are building the face up now...
> > On 4 Feb 2013, at 22:18, liz williams wrote:
> >
> >> I couldn't believe that Jo Appleby said that but her colleague has since - when asked - pointed out that "hunchback" is not a medical term and that when Richard was dressed, most people would probably notice almost nothing.
> >>
> >> Of course the bloody anti-brigade will leap on this as proof that he is what Shakespare said.
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: EileenB cherryripe.eileenb@...>
> >> To:
> >> Sent: Monday, 4 February 2013, 22:11
> >> Subject: Re: degree of scoliosis
> >>
> >>
> >> Jo Appleby's colleague...when the bones were laid out still uses the term hunchback...although he says that it would not have been noticeable....with the curve going sideways...I think he is using the term in a very general term...
> >>
> >> Also the bones were of a feminine build...slight....Just amazing Richard fought so courageously and well...ooop back on.
> >>
> >> --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67" wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Eileen wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> On first sight Jo Appleby was saying it was a hunchback...Poor Philippa visibly shocked. [snip]
> >>>
> >>> Carol responds:
> >>>
> >>> What? Did Jo Appleby correct herself? Did Philippa say anything? That's reprehensible!
> >>>
> >>> Carol
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
On 4 Feb 2013, at 22:49, Karen Raynor wrote:
> I always knew he'd be handsome.
> Karen
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: Hilary Jones
> Sent: 4 Feb 2013 22:44:01 GMT
> To:
> Subject: Re: Facial Reconstruction
>
> Farnaby much better than expected and Richard well just beautiful (I was expecting the worse). Kill those adverts H
>
> ________________________________
> From: eileen bates eileenbates147@...>
> To:
> Sent: Monday, 4 February 2013, 22:40
> Subject: Re: Facial Reconstruction
>
> Facial reconstruction: Richard far handsomer than any of his portraits...
>
> Philippa such a bag of nerves had to be supported when she entered the room to see the result of the reconstruction..
>
> I look forward to everybody being able to see this programme so we can discuss....Eileen
>
> All in all a very good programme..
> On 4 Feb 2013, at 22:23, eileen bates wrote:
>
> > I didnt imagine then Liz...but I thought it was the colleague used the term....its an unfortunate choice of words...It was clarified though that it may not have shown up when dressed. They did show a picture of someone with scolocis from behind which was quite twisted.
> >
> > Richard would have had a high protein diet with lots of fish....
> >
> > Thy are building the face up now...
> > On 4 Feb 2013, at 22:18, liz williams wrote:
> >
> >> I couldn't believe that Jo Appleby said that but her colleague has since - when asked - pointed out that "hunchback" is not a medical term and that when Richard was dressed, most people would probably notice almost nothing.
> >>
> >> Of course the bloody anti-brigade will leap on this as proof that he is what Shakespare said.
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: EileenB cherryripe.eileenb@...>
> >> To:
> >> Sent: Monday, 4 February 2013, 22:11
> >> Subject: Re: degree of scoliosis
> >>
> >>
> >> Jo Appleby's colleague...when the bones were laid out still uses the term hunchback...although he says that it would not have been noticeable....with the curve going sideways...I think he is using the term in a very general term...
> >>
> >> Also the bones were of a feminine build...slight....Just amazing Richard fought so courageously and well...ooop back on.
> >>
> >> --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67" wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Eileen wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> On first sight Jo Appleby was saying it was a hunchback...Poor Philippa visibly shocked. [snip]
> >>>
> >>> Carol responds:
> >>>
> >>> What? Did Jo Appleby correct herself? Did Philippa say anything? That's reprehensible!
> >>>
> >>> Carol
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
Facial Reconstruction on BBC News
2013-02-04 23:09:16
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-21328380
Re: Facial Reconstruction
2013-02-04 23:10:13
He's not resembling any of his portraits much is he?
On 4 Feb 2013, at 22:53, Cecilia Latella wrote:
> http://sphotos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/600743_10200661887369110_149414310_n.jpg
> http://sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/544383_10200661885289058_1571844917_n.jpg
>
> Screencaps taken by a friend of mine - hope they are visible.
>
> Cecilia
>
> ________________________________
> Da: eileen bates eileenbates147@...>
> A:
> Inviato: Lunedý 4 Febbraio 2013 23:40
> Oggetto: Re: Facial Reconstruction
>
>
>
> Facial reconstruction: Richard far handsomer than any of his portraits...
>
> Philippa such a bag of nerves had to be supported when she entered the room to see the result of the reconstruction..
>
> I look forward to everybody being able to see this programme so we can discuss....Eileen
>
> All in all a very good programme..
> On 4 Feb 2013, at 22:23, eileen bates wrote:
>
> > I didnt imagine then Liz...but I thought it was the colleague used the term....its an unfortunate choice of words...It was clarified though that it may not have shown up when dressed. They did show a picture of someone with scolocis from behind which was quite twisted.
> >
> > Richard would have had a high protein diet with lots of fish....
> >
> > Thy are building the face up now...
> > On 4 Feb 2013, at 22:18, liz williams wrote:
> >
> >> I couldn't believe that Jo Appleby said that but her colleague has since - when asked - pointed out that "hunchback" is not a medical term and that when Richard was dressed, most people would probably notice almost nothing.
> >>
> >> Of course the bloody anti-brigade will leap on this as proof that he is what Shakespare said.
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: EileenB cherryripe.eileenb@...>
> >> To:
> >> Sent: Monday, 4 February 2013, 22:11
> >> Subject: Re: degree of scoliosis
> >>
> >>
> >> Jo Appleby's colleague...when the bones were laid out still uses the term hunchback...although he says that it would not have been noticeable....with the curve going sideways...I think he is using the term in a very general term...
> >>
> >> Also the bones were of a feminine build...slight....Just amazing Richard fought so courageously and well...ooop back on.
> >>
> >> --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67" wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Eileen wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> On first sight Jo Appleby was saying it was a hunchback...Poor Philippa visibly shocked. [snip]
> >>>
> >>> Carol responds:
> >>>
> >>> What? Did Jo Appleby correct herself? Did Philippa say anything? That's reprehensible!
> >>>
> >>> Carol
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
On 4 Feb 2013, at 22:53, Cecilia Latella wrote:
> http://sphotos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/600743_10200661887369110_149414310_n.jpg
> http://sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/544383_10200661885289058_1571844917_n.jpg
>
> Screencaps taken by a friend of mine - hope they are visible.
>
> Cecilia
>
> ________________________________
> Da: eileen bates eileenbates147@...>
> A:
> Inviato: Lunedý 4 Febbraio 2013 23:40
> Oggetto: Re: Facial Reconstruction
>
>
>
> Facial reconstruction: Richard far handsomer than any of his portraits...
>
> Philippa such a bag of nerves had to be supported when she entered the room to see the result of the reconstruction..
>
> I look forward to everybody being able to see this programme so we can discuss....Eileen
>
> All in all a very good programme..
> On 4 Feb 2013, at 22:23, eileen bates wrote:
>
> > I didnt imagine then Liz...but I thought it was the colleague used the term....its an unfortunate choice of words...It was clarified though that it may not have shown up when dressed. They did show a picture of someone with scolocis from behind which was quite twisted.
> >
> > Richard would have had a high protein diet with lots of fish....
> >
> > Thy are building the face up now...
> > On 4 Feb 2013, at 22:18, liz williams wrote:
> >
> >> I couldn't believe that Jo Appleby said that but her colleague has since - when asked - pointed out that "hunchback" is not a medical term and that when Richard was dressed, most people would probably notice almost nothing.
> >>
> >> Of course the bloody anti-brigade will leap on this as proof that he is what Shakespare said.
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: EileenB cherryripe.eileenb@...>
> >> To:
> >> Sent: Monday, 4 February 2013, 22:11
> >> Subject: Re: degree of scoliosis
> >>
> >>
> >> Jo Appleby's colleague...when the bones were laid out still uses the term hunchback...although he says that it would not have been noticeable....with the curve going sideways...I think he is using the term in a very general term...
> >>
> >> Also the bones were of a feminine build...slight....Just amazing Richard fought so courageously and well...ooop back on.
> >>
> >> --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67" wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Eileen wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> On first sight Jo Appleby was saying it was a hunchback...Poor Philippa visibly shocked. [snip]
> >>>
> >>> Carol responds:
> >>>
> >>> What? Did Jo Appleby correct herself? Did Philippa say anything? That's reprehensible!
> >>>
> >>> Carol
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
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> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
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Re: Facial Reconstruction
2013-02-04 23:19:02
Cecilia Latella wrote:
>
> http://sphotos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/600743_10200661887369110_149414310_n.jpg
> http://sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/544383_10200661885289058_1571844917_n.jpg
>
> Screencaps taken by a friend of mine - hope they are visible.
Carol responds:
Oh, my goodness! Tell your friend thank you! Oh, dear. Now the "ladies of a certain age in love with a dead man" is going to be true! For some of us, anyway. Those are incredible. I was expecting--well, that's much better than I was expecting.
Carol
>
> http://sphotos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/600743_10200661887369110_149414310_n.jpg
> http://sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/544383_10200661885289058_1571844917_n.jpg
>
> Screencaps taken by a friend of mine - hope they are visible.
Carol responds:
Oh, my goodness! Tell your friend thank you! Oh, dear. Now the "ladies of a certain age in love with a dead man" is going to be true! For some of us, anyway. Those are incredible. I was expecting--well, that's much better than I was expecting.
Carol
Re: Facial Reconstruction
2013-02-04 23:33:30
Breathtaking photos. Thank you so much for posting them and to your
friend for capturing them. The pictures certainly disprove the myth of
how 'hideous' Richard was, don't they? Evidence shows he was not hideous
at all. Quite the opposite.
Linda...one very happy Ricardian today, even if filled with sorrow for
what was done to him
--- In , "justcarol67" wrote:
>
>
> Cecilia Latella wrote:
> >
> >
http://sphotos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/600743_10200661887369110_1\
49414310_n.jpg
> >
http://sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/544383_10200661885289058_1\
571844917_n.jpg
> >
> > Screencaps taken by a friend of mine - hope they are visible.
>
> Carol responds:
>
> Oh, my goodness! Tell your friend thank you! Oh, dear. Now the "ladies
of a certain age in love with a dead man" is going to be true! For some
of us, anyway. Those are incredible. I was expecting--well, that's much
better than I was expecting.
>
> Carol
>
friend for capturing them. The pictures certainly disprove the myth of
how 'hideous' Richard was, don't they? Evidence shows he was not hideous
at all. Quite the opposite.
Linda...one very happy Ricardian today, even if filled with sorrow for
what was done to him
--- In , "justcarol67" wrote:
>
>
> Cecilia Latella wrote:
> >
> >
http://sphotos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/600743_10200661887369110_1\
49414310_n.jpg
> >
http://sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/544383_10200661885289058_1\
571844917_n.jpg
> >
> > Screencaps taken by a friend of mine - hope they are visible.
>
> Carol responds:
>
> Oh, my goodness! Tell your friend thank you! Oh, dear. Now the "ladies
of a certain age in love with a dead man" is going to be true! For some
of us, anyway. Those are incredible. I was expecting--well, that's much
better than I was expecting.
>
> Carol
>
Re: Facial Reconstruction
2013-02-04 23:39:56
Ohmigosh!!! He's beautiful!!!
Thank you so much, Cecilia!
(I'm crying again)
Johanne
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Johanne L. Tournier
Email - jltournier60@...
or jltournier@...
"With God, all things are possible."
- Jesus of Nazareth
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of Cecilia Latella
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 6:53 PM
To:
Subject: Re: Facial Reconstruction
http://sphotos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/600743_10200661887369110_149414310_n.jpg
http://sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/544383_10200661885289058_1571844917_n.jpg
Screencaps taken by a friend of mine - hope they are visible.
Cecilia
________________________________
Da: eileen bates eileenbates147@... <mailto:eileenbates147%40btinternet.com> >
A: <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
Inviato: Lunedì 4 Febbraio 2013 23:40
Oggetto: Re: Facial Reconstruction
Facial reconstruction: Richard far handsomer than any of his portraits...
Philippa such a bag of nerves had to be supported when she entered the room to see the result of the reconstruction..
I look forward to everybody being able to see this programme so we can discuss....Eileen
All in all a very good programme..
On 4 Feb 2013, at 22:23, eileen bates wrote:
> I didnt imagine then Liz...but I thought it was the colleague used the term....its an unfortunate choice of words...It was clarified though that it may not have shown up when dressed. They did show a picture of someone with scolocis from behind which was quite twisted.
>
> Richard would have had a high protein diet with lots of fish....
>
> Thy are building the face up now...
> On 4 Feb 2013, at 22:18, liz williams wrote:
>
>> I couldn't believe that Jo Appleby said that but her colleague has since - when asked - pointed out that "hunchback" is not a medical term and that when Richard was dressed, most people would probably notice almost nothing.
>>
>> Of course the bloody anti-brigade will leap on this as proof that he is what Shakespare said.
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: EileenB cherryripe.eileenb@... <mailto:cherryripe.eileenb%40googlemail.com> >
>> To: <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Monday, 4 February 2013, 22:11
>> Subject: Re: degree of scoliosis
>>
>>
>> Jo Appleby's colleague...when the bones were laid out still uses the term hunchback...although he says that it would not have been noticeable....with the curve going sideways...I think he is using the term in a very general term...
>>
>> Also the bones were of a feminine build...slight....Just amazing Richard fought so courageously and well...ooop back on.
>>
>> --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67" wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Eileen wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On first sight Jo Appleby was saying it was a hunchback...Poor Philippa visibly shocked. [snip]
>>>
>>> Carol responds:
>>>
>>> What? Did Jo Appleby correct herself? Did Philippa say anything? That's reprehensible!
>>>
>>> Carol
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
Thank you so much, Cecilia!
(I'm crying again)
Johanne
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Johanne L. Tournier
Email - jltournier60@...
or jltournier@...
"With God, all things are possible."
- Jesus of Nazareth
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of Cecilia Latella
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 6:53 PM
To:
Subject: Re: Facial Reconstruction
http://sphotos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/600743_10200661887369110_149414310_n.jpg
http://sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/544383_10200661885289058_1571844917_n.jpg
Screencaps taken by a friend of mine - hope they are visible.
Cecilia
________________________________
Da: eileen bates eileenbates147@... <mailto:eileenbates147%40btinternet.com> >
A: <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
Inviato: Lunedì 4 Febbraio 2013 23:40
Oggetto: Re: Facial Reconstruction
Facial reconstruction: Richard far handsomer than any of his portraits...
Philippa such a bag of nerves had to be supported when she entered the room to see the result of the reconstruction..
I look forward to everybody being able to see this programme so we can discuss....Eileen
All in all a very good programme..
On 4 Feb 2013, at 22:23, eileen bates wrote:
> I didnt imagine then Liz...but I thought it was the colleague used the term....its an unfortunate choice of words...It was clarified though that it may not have shown up when dressed. They did show a picture of someone with scolocis from behind which was quite twisted.
>
> Richard would have had a high protein diet with lots of fish....
>
> Thy are building the face up now...
> On 4 Feb 2013, at 22:18, liz williams wrote:
>
>> I couldn't believe that Jo Appleby said that but her colleague has since - when asked - pointed out that "hunchback" is not a medical term and that when Richard was dressed, most people would probably notice almost nothing.
>>
>> Of course the bloody anti-brigade will leap on this as proof that he is what Shakespare said.
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: EileenB cherryripe.eileenb@... <mailto:cherryripe.eileenb%40googlemail.com> >
>> To: <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Monday, 4 February 2013, 22:11
>> Subject: Re: degree of scoliosis
>>
>>
>> Jo Appleby's colleague...when the bones were laid out still uses the term hunchback...although he says that it would not have been noticeable....with the curve going sideways...I think he is using the term in a very general term...
>>
>> Also the bones were of a feminine build...slight....Just amazing Richard fought so courageously and well...ooop back on.
>>
>> --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67" wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Eileen wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On first sight Jo Appleby was saying it was a hunchback...Poor Philippa visibly shocked. [snip]
>>>
>>> Carol responds:
>>>
>>> What? Did Jo Appleby correct herself? Did Philippa say anything? That's reprehensible!
>>>
>>> Carol
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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> Yahoo! Groups Links
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>
Re: Facial Reconstruction on BBC News
2013-02-04 23:45:22
Wow, he is handsome, and that is amazing. Interesting that the familiar painting is close to the reconstruction.
On Feb 4, 2013, at 5:09 PM, "Cecilia Latella" <cabepfir@...<mailto:cabepfir@...>> wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-21328380
On Feb 4, 2013, at 5:09 PM, "Cecilia Latella" <cabepfir@...<mailto:cabepfir@...>> wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-21328380
Re: Facial Reconstruction
2013-02-05 00:27:35
Thanks Cecilia!!!!! I was despairing from this side of the pond!
Sent from my iPad
On Feb 4, 2013, at 6:18 PM, "justcarol67" <justcarol67@...> wrote:
>
> Cecilia Latella wrote:
> >
> > http://sphotos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/600743_10200661887369110_149414310_n.jpg
> > http://sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/544383_10200661885289058_1571844917_n.jpg
> >
> > Screencaps taken by a friend of mine - hope they are visible.
>
> Carol responds:
>
> Oh, my goodness! Tell your friend thank you! Oh, dear. Now the "ladies of a certain age in love with a dead man" is going to be true! For some of us, anyway. Those are incredible. I was expecting--well, that's much better than I was expecting.
>
> Carol
>
>
Sent from my iPad
On Feb 4, 2013, at 6:18 PM, "justcarol67" <justcarol67@...> wrote:
>
> Cecilia Latella wrote:
> >
> > http://sphotos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/600743_10200661887369110_149414310_n.jpg
> > http://sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/544383_10200661885289058_1571844917_n.jpg
> >
> > Screencaps taken by a friend of mine - hope they are visible.
>
> Carol responds:
>
> Oh, my goodness! Tell your friend thank you! Oh, dear. Now the "ladies of a certain age in love with a dead man" is going to be true! For some of us, anyway. Those are incredible. I was expecting--well, that's much better than I was expecting.
>
> Carol
>
>
Re: degree of scoliosis
2013-02-05 14:50:34
Good point Carol. Good point indeed.
Paul
Richard Liveth Yet!
On 4 Feb 2013, at 21:25, Carol Darling wrote:
> Re, spinal deformity: Since the grave hole was too small for Richards body, and his body was laid in feet first and then folded a bit to fill the grave cavity and lay there for over 500 years&.well, might the extreme bend of his spine be accentuated by his taller body folded into the smaller grave hole? After 500 years of dirt pressure, how much un natural curvature was added to his spine, other than the normal distortion in his living body. Has this been addressed. Is this idea valid. it seems the extreme curvature would almost inhibit even a fit man, from wearing armor, fighting with heavy weapons, and riding a horse for many miles many days. Any thoughts on this? Carol D.
>
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>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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Paul
Richard Liveth Yet!
On 4 Feb 2013, at 21:25, Carol Darling wrote:
> Re, spinal deformity: Since the grave hole was too small for Richards body, and his body was laid in feet first and then folded a bit to fill the grave cavity and lay there for over 500 years&.well, might the extreme bend of his spine be accentuated by his taller body folded into the smaller grave hole? After 500 years of dirt pressure, how much un natural curvature was added to his spine, other than the normal distortion in his living body. Has this been addressed. Is this idea valid. it seems the extreme curvature would almost inhibit even a fit man, from wearing armor, fighting with heavy weapons, and riding a horse for many miles many days. Any thoughts on this? Carol D.
>
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>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
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Re: Facial Reconstruction on BBC News
2013-02-05 14:50:36
Is it? I don't think so. I have never looked at the Windsor portrait and thought that shows him as the handsome young man he was. Maybe irt was the hat that did it for you Pamela:-)
Paul
Richard Liveth Yet!
On 4 Feb 2013, at 23:45, Pamela Bain wrote:
> Wow, he is handsome, and that is amazing. Interesting that the familiar painting is close to the reconstruction.
>
> On Feb 4, 2013, at 5:09 PM, "Cecilia Latella" <cabepfir@...<mailto:cabepfir@...>> wrote:
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> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-21328380
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> Yahoo! Groups Links
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Paul
Richard Liveth Yet!
On 4 Feb 2013, at 23:45, Pamela Bain wrote:
> Wow, he is handsome, and that is amazing. Interesting that the familiar painting is close to the reconstruction.
>
> On Feb 4, 2013, at 5:09 PM, "Cecilia Latella" <cabepfir@...<mailto:cabepfir@...>> wrote:
>
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> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-21328380
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Re: Facial Reconstruction on BBC News
2013-02-05 16:59:11
Paul Trevor Bale wrote:
>
> Is it? I don't think so. I have never looked at the Windsor portrait and thought that shows him as the handsome young man he was. Maybe irt was the hat that did it for you Pamela:-)
> Paul
Carol responds:
I think she's talking about the National Portrait Gallery version, not the horrible distorted version that the Windsors own.
Here's the difference. NPG, which IMO makes him look about forty but still intelligent and sensitive despite the badly drawn mouth: http://www.npg.org.uk/collections/search/portraitLarge/mw05304/King-Richard-III?LinkID=mp03765&role=sit&rNo=1
Royal Collection portrait (ghastly distortion painted for Henry VIII): http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/collection/403436/richard-iii-1452-85
Unfortunately, subsequent monarchs, including the present queen, have no doubt thought of Richard as the mean-faced fifty-something man in the Royal Collection Portrait.
I agree with several other posters that there's a clear resemblance between the restoration and the NPG Portrait though they've removed the extra years and corrected the feeble mouth of the portrait.
As I mentioned earlier, the eyes in the restoration are actually blue, a detail from NPG, but you can't tell it in many of the screen caps.
I didn't catch any mention of the restoration on U.S. New programs this morning but may have missed it. The CBS and BBC America stories last night weren't bad but they focused only on the skeleton and its identification.
Carol
Carol
>
> Is it? I don't think so. I have never looked at the Windsor portrait and thought that shows him as the handsome young man he was. Maybe irt was the hat that did it for you Pamela:-)
> Paul
Carol responds:
I think she's talking about the National Portrait Gallery version, not the horrible distorted version that the Windsors own.
Here's the difference. NPG, which IMO makes him look about forty but still intelligent and sensitive despite the badly drawn mouth: http://www.npg.org.uk/collections/search/portraitLarge/mw05304/King-Richard-III?LinkID=mp03765&role=sit&rNo=1
Royal Collection portrait (ghastly distortion painted for Henry VIII): http://www.royalcollection.org.uk/collection/403436/richard-iii-1452-85
Unfortunately, subsequent monarchs, including the present queen, have no doubt thought of Richard as the mean-faced fifty-something man in the Royal Collection Portrait.
I agree with several other posters that there's a clear resemblance between the restoration and the NPG Portrait though they've removed the extra years and corrected the feeble mouth of the portrait.
As I mentioned earlier, the eyes in the restoration are actually blue, a detail from NPG, but you can't tell it in many of the screen caps.
I didn't catch any mention of the restoration on U.S. New programs this morning but may have missed it. The CBS and BBC America stories last night weren't bad but they focused only on the skeleton and its identification.
Carol
Carol
Re: degree of scoliosis
2013-02-05 18:07:31
My daughter has scoliosis, her spine is twisted near the bottom on the x ray. You wouldn't be able to tell there was anything wrong dressed or undressed. The Consultant we saw said there was no need for an op and that she should do exercises everyday. She is very fit runs and takes part in London to Brighton bike rides So it hasn't held her back. When I was about 14 my one shoulder was higher than the other and the doctor said it was because I was carrying a heavy school satchel. Later on I was in some pain and went to see a consultant who didn't show me the xrays but said it was to do with my muscles pressing on the bones and I needed to do specific exercises. So I wonder if that was scoliosis too. I have not kept quite as fit as my daughter and sometimes my posture is very bad. The point being that if this is similar to Richard's scoliosis then the fact that he would have kept very fit all his life would have helped enormously and as someone said his armour probably would have helped to keep his spine straight. So maybe at times his posture was bad and the nasty Tudors used it to blacken his name.
Mary
--- In , eileen bates wrote:
>
> I didnt imagine then Liz...but I thought it was the colleague used the term....its an unfortunate choice of words...It was clarified though that it may not have shown up when dressed. They did show a picture of someone with scolocis from behind which was quite twisted.
>
> Richard would have had a high protein diet with lots of fish....
>
> Thy are building the face up now...
> On 4 Feb 2013, at 22:18, liz williams wrote:
>
> > I couldn't believe that Jo Appleby said that but her colleague has since - when asked - pointed out that "hunchback" is not a medical term and that when Richard was dressed, most people would probably notice almost nothing.
> >
> > Of course the bloody anti-brigade will leap on this as proof that he is what Shakespare said.
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: EileenB cherryripe.eileenb@...>
> > To:
> > Sent: Monday, 4 February 2013, 22:11
> > Subject: Re: degree of scoliosis
> >
> >
> > Jo Appleby's colleague...when the bones were laid out still uses the term hunchback...although he says that it would not have been noticeable....with the curve going sideways...I think he is using the term in a very general term...
> >
> > Also the bones were of a feminine build...slight....Just amazing Richard fought so courageously and well...ooop back on.
> >
> > --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67" wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Eileen wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On first sight Jo Appleby was saying it was a hunchback...Poor Philippa visibly shocked. [snip]
> > >
> > > Carol responds:
> > >
> > > What? Did Jo Appleby correct herself? Did Philippa say anything? That's reprehensible!
> > >
> > > Carol
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
Mary
--- In , eileen bates wrote:
>
> I didnt imagine then Liz...but I thought it was the colleague used the term....its an unfortunate choice of words...It was clarified though that it may not have shown up when dressed. They did show a picture of someone with scolocis from behind which was quite twisted.
>
> Richard would have had a high protein diet with lots of fish....
>
> Thy are building the face up now...
> On 4 Feb 2013, at 22:18, liz williams wrote:
>
> > I couldn't believe that Jo Appleby said that but her colleague has since - when asked - pointed out that "hunchback" is not a medical term and that when Richard was dressed, most people would probably notice almost nothing.
> >
> > Of course the bloody anti-brigade will leap on this as proof that he is what Shakespare said.
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: EileenB cherryripe.eileenb@...>
> > To:
> > Sent: Monday, 4 February 2013, 22:11
> > Subject: Re: degree of scoliosis
> >
> >
> > Jo Appleby's colleague...when the bones were laid out still uses the term hunchback...although he says that it would not have been noticeable....with the curve going sideways...I think he is using the term in a very general term...
> >
> > Also the bones were of a feminine build...slight....Just amazing Richard fought so courageously and well...ooop back on.
> >
> > --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67" wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Eileen wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On first sight Jo Appleby was saying it was a hunchback...Poor Philippa visibly shocked. [snip]
> > >
> > > Carol responds:
> > >
> > > What? Did Jo Appleby correct herself? Did Philippa say anything? That's reprehensible!
> > >
> > > Carol
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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>
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>
Re: Facial Reconstruction
2013-02-05 23:03:28
Extraordinary - a really, really attractive face.
Marie
--- In , Hilary Jones wrote:
>
> Farnaby much better than expected and Richard well just beautiful (I was expecting the worse). Kill those adverts H
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: eileen bates
> To:
> Sent: Monday, 4 February 2013, 22:40
> Subject: Re: Facial Reconstruction
>
> Â
>
> Facial reconstruction: Richard far handsomer than any of his portraits...
>
> Philippa such a bag of nerves had to be supported when she entered the room to see the result of the reconstruction..
>
> I look forward to everybody being able to see this programme so we can discuss....Eileen
>
> All in all a very good programme..
> On 4 Feb 2013, at 22:23, eileen bates wrote:
>
> > I didnt imagine then Liz...but I thought it was the colleague used the term....its an unfortunate choice of words...It was clarified though that it may not have shown up when dressed. They did show a picture of someone with scolocis from behind which was quite twisted.
> >
> > Richard would have had a high protein diet with lots of fish....
> >
> > Thy are building the face up now...
> > On 4 Feb 2013, at 22:18, liz williams wrote:
> >
> >> I couldn't believe that Jo Appleby said that but her colleague has since - when asked - pointed out that "hunchback" is not a medical term and that when Richard was dressed, most people would probably notice almost nothing.
> >>
> >> Of course the bloody anti-brigade will leap on this as proof that he is what Shakespare said.
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: EileenB cherryripe.eileenb@...>
> >> To:
> >> Sent: Monday, 4 February 2013, 22:11
> >> Subject: Re: degree of scoliosis
> >>
> >>
> >> Jo Appleby's colleague...when the bones were laid out still uses the term hunchback...although he says that it would not have been noticeable....with the curve going sideways...I think he is using the term in a very general term...
> >>
> >> Also the bones were of a feminine build...slight....Just amazing Richard fought so courageously and well...ooop back on.
> >>
> >> --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67" wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Eileen wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> On first sight Jo Appleby was saying it was a hunchback...Poor Philippa visibly shocked. [snip]
> >>>
> >>> Carol responds:
> >>>
> >>> What? Did Jo Appleby correct herself? Did Philippa say anything? That's reprehensible!
> >>>
> >>> Carol
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
Marie
--- In , Hilary Jones wrote:
>
> Farnaby much better than expected and Richard well just beautiful (I was expecting the worse). Kill those adverts H
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: eileen bates
> To:
> Sent: Monday, 4 February 2013, 22:40
> Subject: Re: Facial Reconstruction
>
> Â
>
> Facial reconstruction: Richard far handsomer than any of his portraits...
>
> Philippa such a bag of nerves had to be supported when she entered the room to see the result of the reconstruction..
>
> I look forward to everybody being able to see this programme so we can discuss....Eileen
>
> All in all a very good programme..
> On 4 Feb 2013, at 22:23, eileen bates wrote:
>
> > I didnt imagine then Liz...but I thought it was the colleague used the term....its an unfortunate choice of words...It was clarified though that it may not have shown up when dressed. They did show a picture of someone with scolocis from behind which was quite twisted.
> >
> > Richard would have had a high protein diet with lots of fish....
> >
> > Thy are building the face up now...
> > On 4 Feb 2013, at 22:18, liz williams wrote:
> >
> >> I couldn't believe that Jo Appleby said that but her colleague has since - when asked - pointed out that "hunchback" is not a medical term and that when Richard was dressed, most people would probably notice almost nothing.
> >>
> >> Of course the bloody anti-brigade will leap on this as proof that he is what Shakespare said.
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: EileenB cherryripe.eileenb@...>
> >> To:
> >> Sent: Monday, 4 February 2013, 22:11
> >> Subject: Re: degree of scoliosis
> >>
> >>
> >> Jo Appleby's colleague...when the bones were laid out still uses the term hunchback...although he says that it would not have been noticeable....with the curve going sideways...I think he is using the term in a very general term...
> >>
> >> Also the bones were of a feminine build...slight....Just amazing Richard fought so courageously and well...ooop back on.
> >>
> >> --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67" wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Eileen wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> On first sight Jo Appleby was saying it was a hunchback...Poor Philippa visibly shocked. [snip]
> >>>
> >>> Carol responds:
> >>>
> >>> What? Did Jo Appleby correct herself? Did Philippa say anything? That's reprehensible!
> >>>
> >>> Carol
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
Re: Facial Reconstruction
2013-02-05 23:37:29
Hi, Marie & Everyone –
I can just imagine how stunning it must have been for Philippa to see
“Richard as he really was” for the first time. I feel that we are all
fortunate to live to see this day – incredible, unbelievable. I pity those
who are scoffers, for whatever reason. They don’t “get it,” and they are the
poorer for that, I think. I feel blessed to be here and to be a proud
Ricardian.
Loyaulte me lie,
Johanne
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Johanne L. Tournier
Email - jltournier60@...
or jltournier@...
"With God, all things are possible."
- Jesus of Nazareth
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From:
[mailto:] On Behalf Of mariewalsh2003
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 7:03 PM
To:
Subject: Re: Facial Reconstruction
Extraordinary - a really, really attractive face.
Marie
--- In
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> , Hilary Jones wrote:
>
> Farnaby much better than expected and Richard well just beautiful (I was
expecting the worse). Kill those adverts H
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: eileen bates
> To:
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, 4 February 2013, 22:40
> Subject: Re: Facial Reconstruction
>
> Â
>
> Facial reconstruction: Richard far handsomer than any of his portraits...
>
> Philippa such a bag of nerves had to be supported when she entered the
room to see the result of the reconstruction..
>
> I look forward to everybody being able to see this programme so we can
discuss....Eileen
>
> All in all a very good programme..
> On 4 Feb 2013, at 22:23, eileen bates wrote:
>
> > I didnt imagine then Liz...but I thought it was the colleague used the
term....its an unfortunate choice of words...It was clarified though that it
may not have shown up when dressed. They did show a picture of someone with
scolocis from behind which was quite twisted.
> >
> > Richard would have had a high protein diet with lots of fish....
> >
> > Thy are building the face up now...
> > On 4 Feb 2013, at 22:18, liz williams wrote:
> >
> >> I couldn't believe that Jo Appleby said that but her colleague has
since - when asked - pointed out that "hunchback" is not a medical term and
that when Richard was dressed, most people would probably notice almost
nothing.
> >>
> >> Of course the bloody anti-brigade will leap on this as proof that he is
what Shakespare said.
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: EileenB cherryripe.eileenb@...>
> >> To:
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> >> Sent: Monday, 4 February 2013, 22:11
> >> Subject: Re: degree of scoliosis
> >>
> >>
> >> Jo Appleby's colleague...when the bones were laid out still uses the
term hunchback...although he says that it would not have been
noticeable....with the curve going sideways...I think he is using the term
in a very general term...
> >>
> >> Also the bones were of a feminine build...slight....Just amazing
Richard fought so courageously and well...ooop back on.
> >>
> >> --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67"
wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Eileen wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> On first sight Jo Appleby was saying it was a hunchback...Poor
Philippa visibly shocked. [snip]
> >>>
> >>> Carol responds:
> >>>
> >>> What? Did Jo Appleby correct herself? Did Philippa say anything?
That's reprehensible!
> >>>
> >>> Carol
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
I can just imagine how stunning it must have been for Philippa to see
“Richard as he really was” for the first time. I feel that we are all
fortunate to live to see this day – incredible, unbelievable. I pity those
who are scoffers, for whatever reason. They don’t “get it,” and they are the
poorer for that, I think. I feel blessed to be here and to be a proud
Ricardian.
Loyaulte me lie,
Johanne
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Johanne L. Tournier
Email - jltournier60@...
or jltournier@...
"With God, all things are possible."
- Jesus of Nazareth
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
From:
[mailto:] On Behalf Of mariewalsh2003
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 7:03 PM
To:
Subject: Re: Facial Reconstruction
Extraordinary - a really, really attractive face.
Marie
--- In
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> , Hilary Jones wrote:
>
> Farnaby much better than expected and Richard well just beautiful (I was
expecting the worse). Kill those adverts H
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: eileen bates
> To:
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, 4 February 2013, 22:40
> Subject: Re: Facial Reconstruction
>
> Â
>
> Facial reconstruction: Richard far handsomer than any of his portraits...
>
> Philippa such a bag of nerves had to be supported when she entered the
room to see the result of the reconstruction..
>
> I look forward to everybody being able to see this programme so we can
discuss....Eileen
>
> All in all a very good programme..
> On 4 Feb 2013, at 22:23, eileen bates wrote:
>
> > I didnt imagine then Liz...but I thought it was the colleague used the
term....its an unfortunate choice of words...It was clarified though that it
may not have shown up when dressed. They did show a picture of someone with
scolocis from behind which was quite twisted.
> >
> > Richard would have had a high protein diet with lots of fish....
> >
> > Thy are building the face up now...
> > On 4 Feb 2013, at 22:18, liz williams wrote:
> >
> >> I couldn't believe that Jo Appleby said that but her colleague has
since - when asked - pointed out that "hunchback" is not a medical term and
that when Richard was dressed, most people would probably notice almost
nothing.
> >>
> >> Of course the bloody anti-brigade will leap on this as proof that he is
what Shakespare said.
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: EileenB cherryripe.eileenb@...>
> >> To:
<mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> >> Sent: Monday, 4 February 2013, 22:11
> >> Subject: Re: degree of scoliosis
> >>
> >>
> >> Jo Appleby's colleague...when the bones were laid out still uses the
term hunchback...although he says that it would not have been
noticeable....with the curve going sideways...I think he is using the term
in a very general term...
> >>
> >> Also the bones were of a feminine build...slight....Just amazing
Richard fought so courageously and well...ooop back on.
> >>
> >> --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67"
wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Eileen wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> On first sight Jo Appleby was saying it was a hunchback...Poor
Philippa visibly shocked. [snip]
> >>>
> >>> Carol responds:
> >>>
> >>> What? Did Jo Appleby correct herself? Did Philippa say anything?
That's reprehensible!
> >>>
> >>> Carol
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
Re: Facial Reconstruction
2013-02-05 23:48:28
Johanne: can you imagine being a fan of Henry VII today? Their ferret-faced idol who encouraged his merceneries to mutilate and humiliate the body of an anointed king? Wow, how proud Mr. Starkey and Ms. Weir must feel today!
Me, I'm proud to be a Ricardian. Maire.
--- In , Johanne Tournier wrote:
>
> Hi, Marie & Everyone –
>
>
>
> I can just imagine how stunning it must have been for Philippa to see
> "Richard as he really was" for the first time. I feel that we are all
> fortunate to live to see this day – incredible, unbelievable. I pity those
> who are scoffers, for whatever reason. They don't "get it," and they are the
> poorer for that, I think. I feel blessed to be here and to be a proud
> Ricardian.
>
>
>
> Loyaulte me lie,
>
>
>
> Johanne
>
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Johanne L. Tournier
>
>
>
> Email - jltournier60@...
>
> or jltournier@...
>
>
>
> "With God, all things are possible."
>
> - Jesus of Nazareth
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
>
> From:
> [mailto:] On Behalf Of mariewalsh2003
> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 7:03 PM
> To:
> Subject: Re: Facial Reconstruction
>
>
>
>
>
> Extraordinary - a really, really attractive face.
> Marie
>
> --- In
> , Hilary Jones wrote:
> >
> > Farnaby much better than expected and Richard well just beautiful (I was
> expecting the worse). Kill those adverts H
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: eileen bates
> > To:
>
> > Sent: Monday, 4 February 2013, 22:40
> > Subject: Re: Facial Reconstruction
> >
> > Â
> >
> > Facial reconstruction: Richard far handsomer than any of his portraits...
> >
> > Philippa such a bag of nerves had to be supported when she entered the
> room to see the result of the reconstruction..
> >
> > I look forward to everybody being able to see this programme so we can
> discuss....Eileen
> >
> > All in all a very good programme..
> > On 4 Feb 2013, at 22:23, eileen bates wrote:
> >
> > > I didnt imagine then Liz...but I thought it was the colleague used the
> term....its an unfortunate choice of words...It was clarified though that it
> may not have shown up when dressed. They did show a picture of someone with
> scolocis from behind which was quite twisted.
> > >
> > > Richard would have had a high protein diet with lots of fish....
> > >
> > > Thy are building the face up now...
> > > On 4 Feb 2013, at 22:18, liz williams wrote:
> > >
> > >> I couldn't believe that Jo Appleby said that but her colleague has
> since - when asked - pointed out that "hunchback" is not a medical term and
> that when Richard was dressed, most people would probably notice almost
> nothing.
> > >>
> > >> Of course the bloody anti-brigade will leap on this as proof that he is
> what Shakespare said.
> > >>
> > >> ________________________________
> > >> From: EileenB cherryripe.eileenb@>
> > >> To:
>
> > >> Sent: Monday, 4 February 2013, 22:11
> > >> Subject: Re: degree of scoliosis
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Jo Appleby's colleague...when the bones were laid out still uses the
> term hunchback...although he says that it would not have been
> noticeable....with the curve going sideways...I think he is using the term
> in a very general term...
> > >>
> > >> Also the bones were of a feminine build...slight....Just amazing
> Richard fought so courageously and well...ooop back on.
> > >>
> > >> --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67"
> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Eileen wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On first sight Jo Appleby was saying it was a hunchback...Poor
> Philippa visibly shocked. [snip]
> > >>>
> > >>> Carol responds:
> > >>>
> > >>> What? Did Jo Appleby correct herself? Did Philippa say anything?
> That's reprehensible!
> > >>>
> > >>> Carol
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Me, I'm proud to be a Ricardian. Maire.
--- In , Johanne Tournier wrote:
>
> Hi, Marie & Everyone –
>
>
>
> I can just imagine how stunning it must have been for Philippa to see
> "Richard as he really was" for the first time. I feel that we are all
> fortunate to live to see this day – incredible, unbelievable. I pity those
> who are scoffers, for whatever reason. They don't "get it," and they are the
> poorer for that, I think. I feel blessed to be here and to be a proud
> Ricardian.
>
>
>
> Loyaulte me lie,
>
>
>
> Johanne
>
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Johanne L. Tournier
>
>
>
> Email - jltournier60@...
>
> or jltournier@...
>
>
>
> "With God, all things are possible."
>
> - Jesus of Nazareth
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
>
> From:
> [mailto:] On Behalf Of mariewalsh2003
> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 7:03 PM
> To:
> Subject: Re: Facial Reconstruction
>
>
>
>
>
> Extraordinary - a really, really attractive face.
> Marie
>
> --- In
> , Hilary Jones wrote:
> >
> > Farnaby much better than expected and Richard well just beautiful (I was
> expecting the worse). Kill those adverts H
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: eileen bates
> > To:
>
> > Sent: Monday, 4 February 2013, 22:40
> > Subject: Re: Facial Reconstruction
> >
> > Â
> >
> > Facial reconstruction: Richard far handsomer than any of his portraits...
> >
> > Philippa such a bag of nerves had to be supported when she entered the
> room to see the result of the reconstruction..
> >
> > I look forward to everybody being able to see this programme so we can
> discuss....Eileen
> >
> > All in all a very good programme..
> > On 4 Feb 2013, at 22:23, eileen bates wrote:
> >
> > > I didnt imagine then Liz...but I thought it was the colleague used the
> term....its an unfortunate choice of words...It was clarified though that it
> may not have shown up when dressed. They did show a picture of someone with
> scolocis from behind which was quite twisted.
> > >
> > > Richard would have had a high protein diet with lots of fish....
> > >
> > > Thy are building the face up now...
> > > On 4 Feb 2013, at 22:18, liz williams wrote:
> > >
> > >> I couldn't believe that Jo Appleby said that but her colleague has
> since - when asked - pointed out that "hunchback" is not a medical term and
> that when Richard was dressed, most people would probably notice almost
> nothing.
> > >>
> > >> Of course the bloody anti-brigade will leap on this as proof that he is
> what Shakespare said.
> > >>
> > >> ________________________________
> > >> From: EileenB cherryripe.eileenb@>
> > >> To:
>
> > >> Sent: Monday, 4 February 2013, 22:11
> > >> Subject: Re: degree of scoliosis
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Jo Appleby's colleague...when the bones were laid out still uses the
> term hunchback...although he says that it would not have been
> noticeable....with the curve going sideways...I think he is using the term
> in a very general term...
> > >>
> > >> Also the bones were of a feminine build...slight....Just amazing
> Richard fought so courageously and well...ooop back on.
> > >>
> > >> --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, "justcarol67"
> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Eileen wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On first sight Jo Appleby was saying it was a hunchback...Poor
> Philippa visibly shocked. [snip]
> > >>>
> > >>> Carol responds:
> > >>>
> > >>> What? Did Jo Appleby correct herself? Did Philippa say anything?
> That's reprehensible!
> > >>>
> > >>> Carol
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Re: Facial Reconstruction
2013-02-05 23:53:42
Hi, Maire.
Perhaps the most sad difference is that Mr. Starkey & Ms. Weir sincerely believe that, for his "crimes," Richard deserved to be mutilated and humiliated, while Henry VII knew very well that Richard did not.
~Weds
--- In , "mairemulholland" wrote:
>
> Johanne: can you imagine being a fan of Henry VII today? Their ferret-faced idol who encouraged his merceneries to mutilate and humiliate the body of an anointed king? Wow, how proud Mr. Starkey and Ms. Weir must feel today!
>
> Me, I'm proud to be a Ricardian. Maire.
>
> --- In , Johanne Tournier wrote:
> >
> > Hi, Marie & Everyone –
> >
> >
> >
> > I can just imagine how stunning it must have been for Philippa to see
> > "Richard as he really was" for the first time. I feel that we are all
> > fortunate to live to see this day – incredible, unbelievable. I pity those
> > who are scoffers, for whatever reason. They don't "get it," and they are the
> > poorer for that, I think. I feel blessed to be here and to be a proud
> > Ricardian.
> >
> >
> >
> > Loyaulte me lie,
> >
> >
> >
> > Johanne
<tails snipped>
Perhaps the most sad difference is that Mr. Starkey & Ms. Weir sincerely believe that, for his "crimes," Richard deserved to be mutilated and humiliated, while Henry VII knew very well that Richard did not.
~Weds
--- In , "mairemulholland" wrote:
>
> Johanne: can you imagine being a fan of Henry VII today? Their ferret-faced idol who encouraged his merceneries to mutilate and humiliate the body of an anointed king? Wow, how proud Mr. Starkey and Ms. Weir must feel today!
>
> Me, I'm proud to be a Ricardian. Maire.
>
> --- In , Johanne Tournier wrote:
> >
> > Hi, Marie & Everyone –
> >
> >
> >
> > I can just imagine how stunning it must have been for Philippa to see
> > "Richard as he really was" for the first time. I feel that we are all
> > fortunate to live to see this day – incredible, unbelievable. I pity those
> > who are scoffers, for whatever reason. They don't "get it," and they are the
> > poorer for that, I think. I feel blessed to be here and to be a proud
> > Ricardian.
> >
> >
> >
> > Loyaulte me lie,
> >
> >
> >
> > Johanne
<tails snipped>
Re: Facial Reconstruction
2013-02-06 00:05:21
Weds: If not for the beautiful reconstruction of Richard, I would be very sad today. The idea that my favorite king was mutilated and dumped into a shallow grave (with his poor hands tied together!) broke my heart. But thanks to your thoughtful posts, I came to see the reconstruction of his dear face as a tribute to his fine character and, perhaps, a happier life than I had imagined for him. May he rest in peace in God's arms. Maire.
--- In , "wednesday_mc" wrote:
>
> Hi, Maire.
>
> Perhaps the most sad difference is that Mr. Starkey & Ms. Weir sincerely believe that, for his "crimes," Richard deserved to be mutilated and humiliated, while Henry VII knew very well that Richard did not.
>
> ~Weds
>
>
> --- In , "mairemulholland" wrote:
> >
> > Johanne: can you imagine being a fan of Henry VII today? Their ferret-faced idol who encouraged his merceneries to mutilate and humiliate the body of an anointed king? Wow, how proud Mr. Starkey and Ms. Weir must feel today!
> >
> > Me, I'm proud to be a Ricardian. Maire.
> >
> > --- In , Johanne Tournier wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi, Marie & Everyone –
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I can just imagine how stunning it must have been for Philippa to see
> > > "Richard as he really was" for the first time. I feel that we are all
> > > fortunate to live to see this day – incredible, unbelievable. I pity those
> > > who are scoffers, for whatever reason. They don't "get it," and they are the
> > > poorer for that, I think. I feel blessed to be here and to be a proud
> > > Ricardian.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Loyaulte me lie,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Johanne
>
>
>
>
--- In , "wednesday_mc" wrote:
>
> Hi, Maire.
>
> Perhaps the most sad difference is that Mr. Starkey & Ms. Weir sincerely believe that, for his "crimes," Richard deserved to be mutilated and humiliated, while Henry VII knew very well that Richard did not.
>
> ~Weds
>
>
> --- In , "mairemulholland" wrote:
> >
> > Johanne: can you imagine being a fan of Henry VII today? Their ferret-faced idol who encouraged his merceneries to mutilate and humiliate the body of an anointed king? Wow, how proud Mr. Starkey and Ms. Weir must feel today!
> >
> > Me, I'm proud to be a Ricardian. Maire.
> >
> > --- In , Johanne Tournier wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi, Marie & Everyone –
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I can just imagine how stunning it must have been for Philippa to see
> > > "Richard as he really was" for the first time. I feel that we are all
> > > fortunate to live to see this day – incredible, unbelievable. I pity those
> > > who are scoffers, for whatever reason. They don't "get it," and they are the
> > > poorer for that, I think. I feel blessed to be here and to be a proud
> > > Ricardian.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Loyaulte me lie,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Johanne
>
>
>
>
Re: Facial Reconstruction
2013-02-06 02:53:23
Hi, Maire,
I'm glad I could help. It's hard being left behind, and even harder that we can't do anything to help what happened to him.
I really appreciate that he's very nearly smiling in the reconstruction. For me, it's comforting to think of him smiling and contented -- and in some ways, somewhere, being mischievous.
~Weds
--- In , "mairemulholland" wrote:
>
>
>
> Weds: If not for the beautiful reconstruction of Richard, I would be very sad today. The idea that my favorite king was mutilated and dumped into a shallow grave (with his poor hands tied together!) broke my heart. But thanks to your thoughtful posts, I came to see the reconstruction of his dear face as a tribute to his fine character and, perhaps, a happier life than I had imagined for him. May he rest in peace in God's arms. Maire.
>
I'm glad I could help. It's hard being left behind, and even harder that we can't do anything to help what happened to him.
I really appreciate that he's very nearly smiling in the reconstruction. For me, it's comforting to think of him smiling and contented -- and in some ways, somewhere, being mischievous.
~Weds
--- In , "mairemulholland" wrote:
>
>
>
> Weds: If not for the beautiful reconstruction of Richard, I would be very sad today. The idea that my favorite king was mutilated and dumped into a shallow grave (with his poor hands tied together!) broke my heart. But thanks to your thoughtful posts, I came to see the reconstruction of his dear face as a tribute to his fine character and, perhaps, a happier life than I had imagined for him. May he rest in peace in God's arms. Maire.
>
Re: Facial Reconstruction
2013-02-06 03:00:56
Btw, we have 20 new members since yesterday:)
Sent from my iPad
On Feb 5, 2013, at 9:53 PM, "wednesday_mc" <wednesday.mac@...> wrote:
> Hi, Maire,
>
> I'm glad I could help. It's hard being left behind, and even harder that we can't do anything to help what happened to him.
>
> I really appreciate that he's very nearly smiling in the reconstruction. For me, it's comforting to think of him smiling and contented -- and in some ways, somewhere, being mischievous.
>
> ~Weds
>
> --- In , "mairemulholland" wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Weds: If not for the beautiful reconstruction of Richard, I would be very sad today. The idea that my favorite king was mutilated and dumped into a shallow grave (with his poor hands tied together!) broke my heart. But thanks to your thoughtful posts, I came to see the reconstruction of his dear face as a tribute to his fine character and, perhaps, a happier life than I had imagined for him. May he rest in peace in God's arms. Maire.
> >
>
>
Sent from my iPad
On Feb 5, 2013, at 9:53 PM, "wednesday_mc" <wednesday.mac@...> wrote:
> Hi, Maire,
>
> I'm glad I could help. It's hard being left behind, and even harder that we can't do anything to help what happened to him.
>
> I really appreciate that he's very nearly smiling in the reconstruction. For me, it's comforting to think of him smiling and contented -- and in some ways, somewhere, being mischievous.
>
> ~Weds
>
> --- In , "mairemulholland" wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Weds: If not for the beautiful reconstruction of Richard, I would be very sad today. The idea that my favorite king was mutilated and dumped into a shallow grave (with his poor hands tied together!) broke my heart. But thanks to your thoughtful posts, I came to see the reconstruction of his dear face as a tribute to his fine character and, perhaps, a happier life than I had imagined for him. May he rest in peace in God's arms. Maire.
> >
>
>
Re: Facial Reconstruction
2013-02-06 09:04:27
And they praise Henry VIII and do not mention his crimes which are countless!
Paul
Richard Liveth Yet!
On 5 Feb 2013, at 23:53, wednesday_mc wrote:
> Hi, Maire.
>
> Perhaps the most sad difference is that Mr. Starkey & Ms. Weir sincerely believe that, for his "crimes," Richard deserved to be mutilated and humiliated, while Henry VII knew very well that Richard did not.
>
> ~Weds
>
>
> --- In , "mairemulholland" wrote:
>>
>> Johanne: can you imagine being a fan of Henry VII today? Their ferret-faced idol who encouraged his merceneries to mutilate and humiliate the body of an anointed king? Wow, how proud Mr. Starkey and Ms. Weir must feel today!
>>
>> Me, I'm proud to be a Ricardian. Maire.
>>
>> --- In , Johanne Tournier wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi, Marie & Everyone
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I can just imagine how stunning it must have been for Philippa to see
>>> "Richard as he really was" for the first time. I feel that we are all
>>> fortunate to live to see this day incredible, unbelievable. I pity those
>>> who are scoffers, for whatever reason. They don't "get it," and they are the
>>> poorer for that, I think. I feel blessed to be here and to be a proud
>>> Ricardian.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Loyaulte me lie,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Johanne
>
>
> <tails snipped>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
Paul
Richard Liveth Yet!
On 5 Feb 2013, at 23:53, wednesday_mc wrote:
> Hi, Maire.
>
> Perhaps the most sad difference is that Mr. Starkey & Ms. Weir sincerely believe that, for his "crimes," Richard deserved to be mutilated and humiliated, while Henry VII knew very well that Richard did not.
>
> ~Weds
>
>
> --- In , "mairemulholland" wrote:
>>
>> Johanne: can you imagine being a fan of Henry VII today? Their ferret-faced idol who encouraged his merceneries to mutilate and humiliate the body of an anointed king? Wow, how proud Mr. Starkey and Ms. Weir must feel today!
>>
>> Me, I'm proud to be a Ricardian. Maire.
>>
>> --- In , Johanne Tournier wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi, Marie & Everyone
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I can just imagine how stunning it must have been for Philippa to see
>>> "Richard as he really was" for the first time. I feel that we are all
>>> fortunate to live to see this day incredible, unbelievable. I pity those
>>> who are scoffers, for whatever reason. They don't "get it," and they are the
>>> poorer for that, I think. I feel blessed to be here and to be a proud
>>> Ricardian.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Loyaulte me lie,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Johanne
>
>
> <tails snipped>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
Re: Facial Reconstruction
2013-02-06 14:02:49
Wow.....how wonderful.
On Feb 5, 2013, at 9:01 PM, "Ishita Bandyo" <bandyoi@...<mailto:bandyoi@...>> wrote:
Btw, we have 20 new members since yesterday:)
Sent from my iPad
On Feb 5, 2013, at 9:53 PM, "wednesday_mc" wednesday.mac@...<mailto:wednesday.mac%40gmail.com>> wrote:
> Hi, Maire,
>
> I'm glad I could help. It's hard being left behind, and even harder that we can't do anything to help what happened to him.
>
> I really appreciate that he's very nearly smiling in the reconstruction. For me, it's comforting to think of him smiling and contented -- and in some ways, somewhere, being mischievous.
>
> ~Weds
>
> --- In <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>, "mairemulholland" wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Weds: If not for the beautiful reconstruction of Richard, I would be very sad today. The idea that my favorite king was mutilated and dumped into a shallow grave (with his poor hands tied together!) broke my heart. But thanks to your thoughtful posts, I came to see the reconstruction of his dear face as a tribute to his fine character and, perhaps, a happier life than I had imagined for him. May he rest in peace in God's arms. Maire.
> >
>
>
On Feb 5, 2013, at 9:01 PM, "Ishita Bandyo" <bandyoi@...<mailto:bandyoi@...>> wrote:
Btw, we have 20 new members since yesterday:)
Sent from my iPad
On Feb 5, 2013, at 9:53 PM, "wednesday_mc" wednesday.mac@...<mailto:wednesday.mac%40gmail.com>> wrote:
> Hi, Maire,
>
> I'm glad I could help. It's hard being left behind, and even harder that we can't do anything to help what happened to him.
>
> I really appreciate that he's very nearly smiling in the reconstruction. For me, it's comforting to think of him smiling and contented -- and in some ways, somewhere, being mischievous.
>
> ~Weds
>
> --- In <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>, "mairemulholland" wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Weds: If not for the beautiful reconstruction of Richard, I would be very sad today. The idea that my favorite king was mutilated and dumped into a shallow grave (with his poor hands tied together!) broke my heart. But thanks to your thoughtful posts, I came to see the reconstruction of his dear face as a tribute to his fine character and, perhaps, a happier life than I had imagined for him. May he rest in peace in God's arms. Maire.
> >
>
>
Facial Reconstruction
2014-03-05 14:34:28
Eieen wrote:
"Exactly Hilary...spot on...the way he treated
Warwick..who could blame him for taking umbrage...and once he took
umbrage...that was it! And then of course there was George...rigged trial?
No one to dfend him...indeed you would have to be foolhardy to have tried. I've
never much cared fro Edward once he had passed his 'golden warrior'
stage...which was quite early on...he then became, to my mind, very much a
overweight plonker...but I'm not a historian...just an interested
bystander."
Doug here:
Is it possible that Edward's *original* intentions
regarding George were simply to put George, who *had* been acting very regal, in
his proper place? And somehow, once the legal processes began, Edward kept
finding his options becoming more and more limited?
It's not as if Edward wa known for thinking through
the results of his actions (and, yes, I'm referring to his
marriages)...
Doug
Re: Facial Reconstruction
2014-03-06 09:43:29
You know Doug I could swallow the George thing if it were unique. But look at the trail of misery that Edward's actions left - poor noble Montague who supposedly died wearing a Yorkist vest, the Desmonds, you could say all those who died at Barnet who were really having to fight for Warwick, not Lancaster. We get some of their names in the Coventry Leet Books. Then there was his own sister Margaret, who he left high and dry with only good old Hastings trying to help her from Calais (one reason I find the Hastings/villain story difficult to swallow). And of course the biggest casualty of all was his loyal little brother who died a horrible death on a battlefied as the last true defender of his House, whilst Edward died tucked up
in bed. Sorry you can tell I don't like Edward, though I'd probably still swoon if I met him. H.
On Wednesday, 5 March 2014, 14:34, Douglas Eugene Stamate <destama@...> wrote:
Eieen wrote: "Exactly Hilary...spot on...the way he treated Warwick..who could blame him for taking umbrage...and once he took umbrage...that was it! And then of course there was George...rigged trial? No one to dfend him...indeed you would have to be foolhardy to have tried. I've never much cared fro Edward once he had passed his 'golden warrior' stage...which was quite early on...he then became, to my mind, very much a overweight plonker...but I'm not a historian...just an interested bystander." Doug here: Is it possible that Edward's *original* intentions regarding George were simply to put George, who *had* been acting very regal, in his proper place? And somehow, once the legal processes began, Edward kept finding his options becoming more and more limited? It's not as if Edward wa known for thinking through the results of his actions (and, yes, I'm referring to his marriages)... Doug
On Wednesday, 5 March 2014, 14:34, Douglas Eugene Stamate <destama@...> wrote:
Eieen wrote: "Exactly Hilary...spot on...the way he treated Warwick..who could blame him for taking umbrage...and once he took umbrage...that was it! And then of course there was George...rigged trial? No one to dfend him...indeed you would have to be foolhardy to have tried. I've never much cared fro Edward once he had passed his 'golden warrior' stage...which was quite early on...he then became, to my mind, very much a overweight plonker...but I'm not a historian...just an interested bystander." Doug here: Is it possible that Edward's *original* intentions regarding George were simply to put George, who *had* been acting very regal, in his proper place? And somehow, once the legal processes began, Edward kept finding his options becoming more and more limited? It's not as if Edward wa known for thinking through the results of his actions (and, yes, I'm referring to his marriages)... Doug
Facial Reconstruction
2014-03-08 13:59:00
Hilary wrote:
"You know Doug, I could swallow the George thing if
it were unique. But I look at trail of misery Edward's actions left
//snip//..."
Doug here:
Oddly, it's many of those actions that
lead me to believe Edward didn't *intend* to have George executed, rather he
planned to throw a great big scare into his presumptious brother and, Edward
being Edward, he never considered that there just might be some things that he
(Edward) couldn't control.
After all, Edward *was* the King...
Doug
Re: Facial Reconstruction
2014-03-08 16:09:29
Yes like the influence of his wife? H
On Saturday, 8 March 2014, 14:59, Douglas Eugene Stamate <destama@...> wrote:
Hilary wrote: "You know Doug, I could swallow the George thing if it were unique. But I look at trail of misery Edward's actions left //snip//..." Doug here: Oddly, it's many of those actions that lead me to believe Edward didn't *intend* to have George executed, rather he planned to throw a great big scare into his presumptious brother and, Edward being Edward, he never considered that there just might be some things that he (Edward) couldn't control. After all, Edward *was* the King... Doug
On Saturday, 8 March 2014, 14:59, Douglas Eugene Stamate <destama@...> wrote:
Hilary wrote: "You know Doug, I could swallow the George thing if it were unique. But I look at trail of misery Edward's actions left //snip//..." Doug here: Oddly, it's many of those actions that lead me to believe Edward didn't *intend* to have George executed, rather he planned to throw a great big scare into his presumptious brother and, Edward being Edward, he never considered that there just might be some things that he (Edward) couldn't control. After all, Edward *was* the King... Doug
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