"Dark Sovereign" called Richard's demise correctly years ago
"Dark Sovereign" called Richard's demise correctly years ago
2013-02-04 21:35:19
Now that his skeleton has been identified as that of Richard III and found to be wounded by 1/ a bladed weapon and 2/ an arrow in the spine, I lay claim to have called his end correctly in my play 'Dark Sovereign' (Act 5, 9. 160+).
Here is how King Richard departs 'Dark Sovereign'; and here is how D.S. dismisses one of Shakespeare's more disgraceful lines...
<< STAGE DIRECTION: Enter the TUDORS and FORCES. All fight.
VOICE 2 shouts: Fly the field, my lord, or we must fail.
VOICE 1 shouts: A horse! A horse! Some bring the king a horse!
K.RICHARD: I will not budge a foot.
I'll rather die the king of England. (160)
Enter FORCES, shouting: Stanley! Stanley! Stanley!
K.RICHARD: Treason! Treason! Treason!
KING RICHARD is killed. >>
While I have your attention: Let us be sure to oppose any effort to bury King Richard in the South, and that includes Westminster Abbey. Pre- and post-Shakespeare, the South has done nothing but smear King Richard with spite and lies for 500 years.
Robert Fripp
Here is how King Richard departs 'Dark Sovereign'; and here is how D.S. dismisses one of Shakespeare's more disgraceful lines...
<< STAGE DIRECTION: Enter the TUDORS and FORCES. All fight.
VOICE 2 shouts: Fly the field, my lord, or we must fail.
VOICE 1 shouts: A horse! A horse! Some bring the king a horse!
K.RICHARD: I will not budge a foot.
I'll rather die the king of England. (160)
Enter FORCES, shouting: Stanley! Stanley! Stanley!
K.RICHARD: Treason! Treason! Treason!
KING RICHARD is killed. >>
While I have your attention: Let us be sure to oppose any effort to bury King Richard in the South, and that includes Westminster Abbey. Pre- and post-Shakespeare, the South has done nothing but smear King Richard with spite and lies for 500 years.
Robert Fripp
Re: "Dark Sovereign" called Richard's demise correctly years ago
2013-02-04 22:02:35
Shall we email Betty Windsor, as George calls her? Love it..... I agree Leiscester.
On Feb 4, 2013, at 3:35 PM, "rspfripp" <r_fripp@...<mailto:r_fripp@...>> wrote:
Now that his skeleton has been identified as that of Richard III and found to be wounded by 1/ a bladed weapon and 2/ an arrow in the spine, I lay claim to have called his end correctly in my play 'Dark Sovereign' (Act 5, 9. 160+).
Here is how King Richard departs 'Dark Sovereign'; and here is how D.S. dismisses one of Shakespeare's more disgraceful lines...
<< STAGE DIRECTION: Enter the TUDORS and FORCES. All fight.
VOICE 2 shouts: Fly the field, my lord, or we must fail.
VOICE 1 shouts: A horse! A horse! Some bring the king a horse!
K.RICHARD: I will not budge a foot.
I'll rather die the king of England. (160)
Enter FORCES, shouting: Stanley! Stanley! Stanley!
K.RICHARD: Treason! Treason! Treason!
KING RICHARD is killed. >>
While I have your attention: Let us be sure to oppose any effort to bury King Richard in the South, and that includes Westminster Abbey. Pre- and post-Shakespeare, the South has done nothing but smear King Richard with spite and lies for 500 years.
Robert Fripp
On Feb 4, 2013, at 3:35 PM, "rspfripp" <r_fripp@...<mailto:r_fripp@...>> wrote:
Now that his skeleton has been identified as that of Richard III and found to be wounded by 1/ a bladed weapon and 2/ an arrow in the spine, I lay claim to have called his end correctly in my play 'Dark Sovereign' (Act 5, 9. 160+).
Here is how King Richard departs 'Dark Sovereign'; and here is how D.S. dismisses one of Shakespeare's more disgraceful lines...
<< STAGE DIRECTION: Enter the TUDORS and FORCES. All fight.
VOICE 2 shouts: Fly the field, my lord, or we must fail.
VOICE 1 shouts: A horse! A horse! Some bring the king a horse!
K.RICHARD: I will not budge a foot.
I'll rather die the king of England. (160)
Enter FORCES, shouting: Stanley! Stanley! Stanley!
K.RICHARD: Treason! Treason! Treason!
KING RICHARD is killed. >>
While I have your attention: Let us be sure to oppose any effort to bury King Richard in the South, and that includes Westminster Abbey. Pre- and post-Shakespeare, the South has done nothing but smear King Richard with spite and lies for 500 years.
Robert Fripp
Re: "Dark Sovereign" called Richard's demise correctly years ago
2013-02-04 22:23:07
Not guilty........( for once?)
George
Sent from my iPad
On Feb 4, 2013, at 5:02 PM, Pamela Bain <pbain@...> wrote:
> Shall we email Betty Windsor, as George calls her? Love it..... I agree Leiscester.
>
> On Feb 4, 2013, at 3:35 PM, "rspfripp" r_fripp@..._fripp@...>> wrote:
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> Now that his skeleton has been identified as that of Richard III and found to be wounded by 1/ a bladed weapon and 2/ an arrow in the spine, I lay claim to have called his end correctly in my play 'Dark Sovereign' (Act 5, 9. 160+).
>
> Here is how King Richard departs 'Dark Sovereign'; and here is how D.S. dismisses one of Shakespeare's more disgraceful lines...
>
> << STAGE DIRECTION: Enter the TUDORS and FORCES. All fight.
>
> VOICE 2 shouts: Fly the field, my lord, or we must fail.
> VOICE 1 shouts: A horse! A horse! Some bring the king a horse!
> K.RICHARD: I will not budge a foot.
> I'll rather die the king of England. (160)
>
> Enter FORCES, shouting: Stanley! Stanley! Stanley!
>
> K.RICHARD: Treason! Treason! Treason!
> KING RICHARD is killed. >>
>
> While I have your attention: Let us be sure to oppose any effort to bury King Richard in the South, and that includes Westminster Abbey. Pre- and post-Shakespeare, the South has done nothing but smear King Richard with spite and lies for 500 years.
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> Robert Fripp
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George
Sent from my iPad
On Feb 4, 2013, at 5:02 PM, Pamela Bain <pbain@...> wrote:
> Shall we email Betty Windsor, as George calls her? Love it..... I agree Leiscester.
>
> On Feb 4, 2013, at 3:35 PM, "rspfripp" r_fripp@..._fripp@...>> wrote:
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>
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> Now that his skeleton has been identified as that of Richard III and found to be wounded by 1/ a bladed weapon and 2/ an arrow in the spine, I lay claim to have called his end correctly in my play 'Dark Sovereign' (Act 5, 9. 160+).
>
> Here is how King Richard departs 'Dark Sovereign'; and here is how D.S. dismisses one of Shakespeare's more disgraceful lines...
>
> << STAGE DIRECTION: Enter the TUDORS and FORCES. All fight.
>
> VOICE 2 shouts: Fly the field, my lord, or we must fail.
> VOICE 1 shouts: A horse! A horse! Some bring the king a horse!
> K.RICHARD: I will not budge a foot.
> I'll rather die the king of England. (160)
>
> Enter FORCES, shouting: Stanley! Stanley! Stanley!
>
> K.RICHARD: Treason! Treason! Treason!
> KING RICHARD is killed. >>
>
> While I have your attention: Let us be sure to oppose any effort to bury King Richard in the South, and that includes Westminster Abbey. Pre- and post-Shakespeare, the South has done nothing but smear King Richard with spite and lies for 500 years.
>
> Robert Fripp
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Re: "Dark Sovereign" called Richard's demise correctly years ago
2013-02-04 23:07:30
Hi Robert...It was not an arrow but a nail...They found this out when it was exrayed..
On 4 Feb 2013, at 21:33, rspfripp wrote:
> Now that his skeleton has been identified as that of Richard III and found to be wounded by 1/ a bladed weapon and 2/ an arrow in the spine, I lay claim to have called his end correctly in my play 'Dark Sovereign' (Act 5, 9. 160+).
>
> Here is how King Richard departs 'Dark Sovereign'; and here is how D.S. dismisses one of Shakespeare's more disgraceful lines...
>
> << STAGE DIRECTION: Enter the TUDORS and FORCES. All fight.
>
> VOICE 2 shouts: Fly the field, my lord, or we must fail.
> VOICE 1 shouts: A horse! A horse! Some bring the king a horse!
> K.RICHARD: I will not budge a foot.
> I'll rather die the king of England. (160)
>
> Enter FORCES, shouting: Stanley! Stanley! Stanley!
>
> K.RICHARD: Treason! Treason! Treason!
> KING RICHARD is killed. >>
>
> While I have your attention: Let us be sure to oppose any effort to bury King Richard in the South, and that includes Westminster Abbey. Pre- and post-Shakespeare, the South has done nothing but smear King Richard with spite and lies for 500 years.
>
> Robert Fripp
>
>
On 4 Feb 2013, at 21:33, rspfripp wrote:
> Now that his skeleton has been identified as that of Richard III and found to be wounded by 1/ a bladed weapon and 2/ an arrow in the spine, I lay claim to have called his end correctly in my play 'Dark Sovereign' (Act 5, 9. 160+).
>
> Here is how King Richard departs 'Dark Sovereign'; and here is how D.S. dismisses one of Shakespeare's more disgraceful lines...
>
> << STAGE DIRECTION: Enter the TUDORS and FORCES. All fight.
>
> VOICE 2 shouts: Fly the field, my lord, or we must fail.
> VOICE 1 shouts: A horse! A horse! Some bring the king a horse!
> K.RICHARD: I will not budge a foot.
> I'll rather die the king of England. (160)
>
> Enter FORCES, shouting: Stanley! Stanley! Stanley!
>
> K.RICHARD: Treason! Treason! Treason!
> KING RICHARD is killed. >>
>
> While I have your attention: Let us be sure to oppose any effort to bury King Richard in the South, and that includes Westminster Abbey. Pre- and post-Shakespeare, the South has done nothing but smear King Richard with spite and lies for 500 years.
>
> Robert Fripp
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>
Re: "Dark Sovereign" called Richard's demise correctly years ago
2013-02-04 23:34:20
Oops, sorry George. My mistake. I just loved it.
On Feb 4, 2013, at 4:23 PM, "George Butterfield" <gbutterf1@...<mailto:gbutterf1@...>> wrote:
Not guilty........( for once?)
George
Sent from my iPad
On Feb 4, 2013, at 5:02 PM, Pamela Bain pbain@...<mailto:pbain%40bmbi.com>> wrote:
> Shall we email Betty Windsor, as George calls her? Love it..... I agree Leiscester.
>
> On Feb 4, 2013, at 3:35 PM, "rspfripp" r_fripp@...<mailto:r_fripp%40impactg.comr>_fripp@...<mailto:_fripp%40impactg.com>>> wrote:
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> Now that his skeleton has been identified as that of Richard III and found to be wounded by 1/ a bladed weapon and 2/ an arrow in the spine, I lay claim to have called his end correctly in my play 'Dark Sovereign' (Act 5, 9. 160+).
>
> Here is how King Richard departs 'Dark Sovereign'; and here is how D.S. dismisses one of Shakespeare's more disgraceful lines...
>
> << STAGE DIRECTION: Enter the TUDORS and FORCES. All fight.
>
> VOICE 2 shouts: Fly the field, my lord, or we must fail.
> VOICE 1 shouts: A horse! A horse! Some bring the king a horse!
> K.RICHARD: I will not budge a foot.
> I'll rather die the king of England. (160)
>
> Enter FORCES, shouting: Stanley! Stanley! Stanley!
>
> K.RICHARD: Treason! Treason! Treason!
> KING RICHARD is killed. >>
>
> While I have your attention: Let us be sure to oppose any effort to bury King Richard in the South, and that includes Westminster Abbey. Pre- and post-Shakespeare, the South has done nothing but smear King Richard with spite and lies for 500 years.
>
> Robert Fripp
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On Feb 4, 2013, at 4:23 PM, "George Butterfield" <gbutterf1@...<mailto:gbutterf1@...>> wrote:
Not guilty........( for once?)
George
Sent from my iPad
On Feb 4, 2013, at 5:02 PM, Pamela Bain pbain@...<mailto:pbain%40bmbi.com>> wrote:
> Shall we email Betty Windsor, as George calls her? Love it..... I agree Leiscester.
>
> On Feb 4, 2013, at 3:35 PM, "rspfripp" r_fripp@...<mailto:r_fripp%40impactg.comr>_fripp@...<mailto:_fripp%40impactg.com>>> wrote:
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> Now that his skeleton has been identified as that of Richard III and found to be wounded by 1/ a bladed weapon and 2/ an arrow in the spine, I lay claim to have called his end correctly in my play 'Dark Sovereign' (Act 5, 9. 160+).
>
> Here is how King Richard departs 'Dark Sovereign'; and here is how D.S. dismisses one of Shakespeare's more disgraceful lines...
>
> << STAGE DIRECTION: Enter the TUDORS and FORCES. All fight.
>
> VOICE 2 shouts: Fly the field, my lord, or we must fail.
> VOICE 1 shouts: A horse! A horse! Some bring the king a horse!
> K.RICHARD: I will not budge a foot.
> I'll rather die the king of England. (160)
>
> Enter FORCES, shouting: Stanley! Stanley! Stanley!
>
> K.RICHARD: Treason! Treason! Treason!
> KING RICHARD is killed. >>
>
> While I have your attention: Let us be sure to oppose any effort to bury King Richard in the South, and that includes Westminster Abbey. Pre- and post-Shakespeare, the South has done nothing but smear King Richard with spite and lies for 500 years.
>
> Robert Fripp
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Re: "Dark Sovereign" called Richard's demise correctly years ago
2013-02-05 14:50:35
it is me who refers to her as Betty W!
Paul
Good to see some back tracking from Pollard, though he is still in favour of Richard killing his nephews, albeit now it is not definite any more!
baby steps?
Richard Liveth Yet!
On 4 Feb 2013, at 23:34, Pamela Bain wrote:
> Oops, sorry George. My mistake. I just loved it.
>
> On Feb 4, 2013, at 4:23 PM, "George Butterfield" <gbutterf1@...<mailto:gbutterf1@...>> wrote:
>
>
>
> Not guilty........( for once?)
> George
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Feb 4, 2013, at 5:02 PM, Pamela Bain pbain@...<mailto:pbain%40bmbi.com>> wrote:
>
>> Shall we email Betty Windsor, as George calls her? Love it..... I agree Leiscester.
>>
>> On Feb 4, 2013, at 3:35 PM, "rspfripp" r_fripp@...<mailto:r_fripp%40impactg.comr>_fripp@...<mailto:_fripp%40impactg.com>>> wrote:
>>
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>> Now that his skeleton has been identified as that of Richard III and found to be wounded by 1/ a bladed weapon and 2/ an arrow in the spine, I lay claim to have called his end correctly in my play 'Dark Sovereign' (Act 5, 9. 160+).
>>
>> Here is how King Richard departs 'Dark Sovereign'; and here is how D.S. dismisses one of Shakespeare's more disgraceful lines...
>>
>> << STAGE DIRECTION: Enter the TUDORS and FORCES. All fight.
>>
>> VOICE 2 shouts: Fly the field, my lord, or we must fail.
>> VOICE 1 shouts: A horse! A horse! Some bring the king a horse!
>> K.RICHARD: I will not budge a foot.
>> I'll rather die the king of England. (160)
>>
>> Enter FORCES, shouting: Stanley! Stanley! Stanley!
>>
>> K.RICHARD: Treason! Treason! Treason!
>> KING RICHARD is killed. >>
>>
>> While I have your attention: Let us be sure to oppose any effort to bury King Richard in the South, and that includes Westminster Abbey. Pre- and post-Shakespeare, the South has done nothing but smear King Richard with spite and lies for 500 years.
>>
>> Robert Fripp
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Paul
Good to see some back tracking from Pollard, though he is still in favour of Richard killing his nephews, albeit now it is not definite any more!
baby steps?
Richard Liveth Yet!
On 4 Feb 2013, at 23:34, Pamela Bain wrote:
> Oops, sorry George. My mistake. I just loved it.
>
> On Feb 4, 2013, at 4:23 PM, "George Butterfield" <gbutterf1@...<mailto:gbutterf1@...>> wrote:
>
>
>
> Not guilty........( for once?)
> George
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Feb 4, 2013, at 5:02 PM, Pamela Bain pbain@...<mailto:pbain%40bmbi.com>> wrote:
>
>> Shall we email Betty Windsor, as George calls her? Love it..... I agree Leiscester.
>>
>> On Feb 4, 2013, at 3:35 PM, "rspfripp" r_fripp@...<mailto:r_fripp%40impactg.comr>_fripp@...<mailto:_fripp%40impactg.com>>> wrote:
>>
>>
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>> Now that his skeleton has been identified as that of Richard III and found to be wounded by 1/ a bladed weapon and 2/ an arrow in the spine, I lay claim to have called his end correctly in my play 'Dark Sovereign' (Act 5, 9. 160+).
>>
>> Here is how King Richard departs 'Dark Sovereign'; and here is how D.S. dismisses one of Shakespeare's more disgraceful lines...
>>
>> << STAGE DIRECTION: Enter the TUDORS and FORCES. All fight.
>>
>> VOICE 2 shouts: Fly the field, my lord, or we must fail.
>> VOICE 1 shouts: A horse! A horse! Some bring the king a horse!
>> K.RICHARD: I will not budge a foot.
>> I'll rather die the king of England. (160)
>>
>> Enter FORCES, shouting: Stanley! Stanley! Stanley!
>>
>> K.RICHARD: Treason! Treason! Treason!
>> KING RICHARD is killed. >>
>>
>> While I have your attention: Let us be sure to oppose any effort to bury King Richard in the South, and that includes Westminster Abbey. Pre- and post-Shakespeare, the South has done nothing but smear King Richard with spite and lies for 500 years.
>>
>> Robert Fripp
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Re: "Dark Sovereign" called Richard's demise correctly years ago
2013-02-05 15:25:04
Paul: can you tell me where to find Pollard's back tracking? Fascinating! Maire.
--- In , Paul Trevor Bale wrote:
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> it is me who refers to her as Betty W!
> Paul
>
> Good to see some back tracking from Pollard, though he is still in favour of Richard killing his nephews, albeit now it is not definite any more!
> baby steps?
> Richard Liveth Yet!
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> On 4 Feb 2013, at 23:34, Pamela Bain wrote:
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> > Oops, sorry George. My mistake. I just loved it.
> >
> > On Feb 4, 2013, at 4:23 PM, "George Butterfield" > wrote:
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> >
> >
> > Not guilty........( for once?)
> > George
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> > On Feb 4, 2013, at 5:02 PM, Pamela Bain pbain@... > wrote:
> >
> >> Shall we email Betty Windsor, as George calls her? Love it..... I agree Leiscester.
> >>
> >> On Feb 4, 2013, at 3:35 PM, "rspfripp" r_fripp@... _fripp@... >> wrote:
> >>
> >>
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> >> Now that his skeleton has been identified as that of Richard III and found to be wounded by 1/ a bladed weapon and 2/ an arrow in the spine, I lay claim to have called his end correctly in my play 'Dark Sovereign' (Act 5, 9. 160+).
> >>
> >> Here is how King Richard departs 'Dark Sovereign'; and here is how D.S. dismisses one of Shakespeare's more disgraceful lines...
> >>
> >> << STAGE DIRECTION: Enter the TUDORS and FORCES. All fight.
> >>
> >> VOICE 2 shouts: Fly the field, my lord, or we must fail.
> >> VOICE 1 shouts: A horse! A horse! Some bring the king a horse!
> >> K.RICHARD: I will not budge a foot.
> >> I'll rather die the king of England. (160)
> >>
> >> Enter FORCES, shouting: Stanley! Stanley! Stanley!
> >>
> >> K.RICHARD: Treason! Treason! Treason!
> >> KING RICHARD is killed. >>
> >>
> >> While I have your attention: Let us be sure to oppose any effort to bury King Richard in the South, and that includes Westminster Abbey. Pre- and post-Shakespeare, the South has done nothing but smear King Richard with spite and lies for 500 years.
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--- In , Paul Trevor Bale wrote:
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> it is me who refers to her as Betty W!
> Paul
>
> Good to see some back tracking from Pollard, though he is still in favour of Richard killing his nephews, albeit now it is not definite any more!
> baby steps?
> Richard Liveth Yet!
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> On 4 Feb 2013, at 23:34, Pamela Bain wrote:
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> > Oops, sorry George. My mistake. I just loved it.
> >
> > On Feb 4, 2013, at 4:23 PM, "George Butterfield" > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Not guilty........( for once?)
> > George
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> > On Feb 4, 2013, at 5:02 PM, Pamela Bain pbain@... > wrote:
> >
> >> Shall we email Betty Windsor, as George calls her? Love it..... I agree Leiscester.
> >>
> >> On Feb 4, 2013, at 3:35 PM, "rspfripp" r_fripp@... _fripp@... >> wrote:
> >>
> >>
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> >> Now that his skeleton has been identified as that of Richard III and found to be wounded by 1/ a bladed weapon and 2/ an arrow in the spine, I lay claim to have called his end correctly in my play 'Dark Sovereign' (Act 5, 9. 160+).
> >>
> >> Here is how King Richard departs 'Dark Sovereign'; and here is how D.S. dismisses one of Shakespeare's more disgraceful lines...
> >>
> >> << STAGE DIRECTION: Enter the TUDORS and FORCES. All fight.
> >>
> >> VOICE 2 shouts: Fly the field, my lord, or we must fail.
> >> VOICE 1 shouts: A horse! A horse! Some bring the king a horse!
> >> K.RICHARD: I will not budge a foot.
> >> I'll rather die the king of England. (160)
> >>
> >> Enter FORCES, shouting: Stanley! Stanley! Stanley!
> >>
> >> K.RICHARD: Treason! Treason! Treason!
> >> KING RICHARD is killed. >>
> >>
> >> While I have your attention: Let us be sure to oppose any effort to bury King Richard in the South, and that includes Westminster Abbey. Pre- and post-Shakespeare, the South has done nothing but smear King Richard with spite and lies for 500 years.
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Re: "Dark Sovereign" called Richard's demise correctly years ago
2013-02-05 16:24:28
Paul Trevor Bale wrote:
"it is me who refers to her as Betty W!
Good to see some back tracking from Pollard, though he is still in favour of
Richard killing his nephews, albeit now it is not definite any more!
baby steps?"
To be scrupulously fair, we can't prove that Richard DIDN'T, either. I
certainly don't believe Richard killed his nephews, but the only way to
"clear" his name would be to find out what DID happen to them. And the only
way that will ever happen is when "historians" start looking at some of
their sources with a more critical eye (Rous, More, Vergil, Hall, Holishead
come to mind).
Personally, I'll be quite happy if this discovery simply brings out into the
open that things everyone knows about Richard, and Tudor for that matter, as
"fact" - aren't. As you say "baby steps".
Doug
"it is me who refers to her as Betty W!
Good to see some back tracking from Pollard, though he is still in favour of
Richard killing his nephews, albeit now it is not definite any more!
baby steps?"
To be scrupulously fair, we can't prove that Richard DIDN'T, either. I
certainly don't believe Richard killed his nephews, but the only way to
"clear" his name would be to find out what DID happen to them. And the only
way that will ever happen is when "historians" start looking at some of
their sources with a more critical eye (Rous, More, Vergil, Hall, Holishead
come to mind).
Personally, I'll be quite happy if this discovery simply brings out into the
open that things everyone knows about Richard, and Tudor for that matter, as
"fact" - aren't. As you say "baby steps".
Doug
Re: "Dark Sovereign" called Richard's demise correctly years ago
2013-02-05 16:33:07
I meant in the programme. Great man Richard up to 83 then a change took place we are still arguing over. Then he said he still thinks he killed his nephews "I would have done" but that it is not definite. Up to recent times he was a definite.
Paul
Richard Liveth Yet!
On 5 Feb 2013, at 15:25, mairemulholland wrote:
> Paul: can you tell me where to find Pollard's back tracking? Fascinating! Maire.
>
> --- In , Paul Trevor Bale wrote:
>>
>> it is me who refers to her as Betty W!
>> Paul
>>
>> Good to see some back tracking from Pollard, though he is still in favour of Richard killing his nephews, albeit now it is not definite any more!
>> baby steps?
>> Richard Liveth Yet!
>>
>>
>>
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>> On 4 Feb 2013, at 23:34, Pamela Bain wrote:
>>
>>> Oops, sorry George. My mistake. I just loved it.
>>>
>>> On Feb 4, 2013, at 4:23 PM, "George Butterfield" > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Not guilty........( for once?)
>>> George
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Feb 4, 2013, at 5:02 PM, Pamela Bain pbain@... > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Shall we email Betty Windsor, as George calls her? Love it..... I agree Leiscester.
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 4, 2013, at 3:35 PM, "rspfripp" r_fripp@... _fripp@... >> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Now that his skeleton has been identified as that of Richard III and found to be wounded by 1/ a bladed weapon and 2/ an arrow in the spine, I lay claim to have called his end correctly in my play 'Dark Sovereign' (Act 5, 9. 160+).
>>>>
>>>> Here is how King Richard departs 'Dark Sovereign'; and here is how D.S. dismisses one of Shakespeare's more disgraceful lines...
>>>>
>>>> << STAGE DIRECTION: Enter the TUDORS and FORCES. All fight.
>>>>
>>>> VOICE 2 shouts: Fly the field, my lord, or we must fail.
>>>> VOICE 1 shouts: A horse! A horse! Some bring the king a horse!
>>>> K.RICHARD: I will not budge a foot.
>>>> I'll rather die the king of England. (160)
>>>>
>>>> Enter FORCES, shouting: Stanley! Stanley! Stanley!
>>>>
>>>> K.RICHARD: Treason! Treason! Treason!
>>>> KING RICHARD is killed. >>
>>>>
>>>> While I have your attention: Let us be sure to oppose any effort to bury King Richard in the South, and that includes Westminster Abbey. Pre- and post-Shakespeare, the South has done nothing but smear King Richard with spite and lies for 500 years.
>>>>
>>>> Robert Fripp
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Richard Liveth Yet!
On 5 Feb 2013, at 15:25, mairemulholland wrote:
> Paul: can you tell me where to find Pollard's back tracking? Fascinating! Maire.
>
> --- In , Paul Trevor Bale wrote:
>>
>> it is me who refers to her as Betty W!
>> Paul
>>
>> Good to see some back tracking from Pollard, though he is still in favour of Richard killing his nephews, albeit now it is not definite any more!
>> baby steps?
>> Richard Liveth Yet!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 4 Feb 2013, at 23:34, Pamela Bain wrote:
>>
>>> Oops, sorry George. My mistake. I just loved it.
>>>
>>> On Feb 4, 2013, at 4:23 PM, "George Butterfield" > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Not guilty........( for once?)
>>> George
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Feb 4, 2013, at 5:02 PM, Pamela Bain pbain@... > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Shall we email Betty Windsor, as George calls her? Love it..... I agree Leiscester.
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 4, 2013, at 3:35 PM, "rspfripp" r_fripp@... _fripp@... >> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Now that his skeleton has been identified as that of Richard III and found to be wounded by 1/ a bladed weapon and 2/ an arrow in the spine, I lay claim to have called his end correctly in my play 'Dark Sovereign' (Act 5, 9. 160+).
>>>>
>>>> Here is how King Richard departs 'Dark Sovereign'; and here is how D.S. dismisses one of Shakespeare's more disgraceful lines...
>>>>
>>>> << STAGE DIRECTION: Enter the TUDORS and FORCES. All fight.
>>>>
>>>> VOICE 2 shouts: Fly the field, my lord, or we must fail.
>>>> VOICE 1 shouts: A horse! A horse! Some bring the king a horse!
>>>> K.RICHARD: I will not budge a foot.
>>>> I'll rather die the king of England. (160)
>>>>
>>>> Enter FORCES, shouting: Stanley! Stanley! Stanley!
>>>>
>>>> K.RICHARD: Treason! Treason! Treason!
>>>> KING RICHARD is killed. >>
>>>>
>>>> While I have your attention: Let us be sure to oppose any effort to bury King Richard in the South, and that includes Westminster Abbey. Pre- and post-Shakespeare, the South has done nothing but smear King Richard with spite and lies for 500 years.
>>>>
>>>> Robert Fripp
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: "Dark Sovereign" called Richard's demise correctly years ago
2013-02-05 16:47:47
Paul Trevor Bale wrote:
> [snip}
> Good to see some back tracking from Pollard, though he is still in favour of Richard killing his nephews, albeit now it is not definite any more!
> baby steps?
Carol responds:
Backtracking from Pollard? When and where? I know about the views he expressed in the documentary with Tony Robinson (essentially, Richard killed his nephews but had reason to do so). Had he modified that view for the Channel 4 documentary? Please elaborate.
Carol
> [snip}
> Good to see some back tracking from Pollard, though he is still in favour of Richard killing his nephews, albeit now it is not definite any more!
> baby steps?
Carol responds:
Backtracking from Pollard? When and where? I know about the views he expressed in the documentary with Tony Robinson (essentially, Richard killed his nephews but had reason to do so). Had he modified that view for the Channel 4 documentary? Please elaborate.
Carol
Re: "Dark Sovereign" called Richard's demise correctly years ago
2013-02-05 17:02:09
Wow. That's a pretty cool backtrack - baby step, as you said. Of course, as a Yank, I didn't get to see the show. Maire.
--- In , Paul Trevor Bale wrote:
>
> I meant in the programme. Great man Richard up to 83 then a change took place we are still arguing over. Then he said he still thinks he killed his nephews "I would have done" but that it is not definite. Up to recent times he was a definite.
> Paul
>
> Richard Liveth Yet!
>
>
>
>
> On 5 Feb 2013, at 15:25, mairemulholland wrote:
>
> > Paul: can you tell me where to find Pollard's back tracking? Fascinating! Maire.
> >
> > --- In , Paul Trevor Bale wrote:
> >>
> >> it is me who refers to her as Betty W!
> >> Paul
> >>
> >> Good to see some back tracking from Pollard, though he is still in favour of Richard killing his nephews, albeit now it is not definite any more!
> >> baby steps?
> >> Richard Liveth Yet!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 4 Feb 2013, at 23:34, Pamela Bain wrote:
> >>
> >>> Oops, sorry George. My mistake. I just loved it.
> >>>
> >>> On Feb 4, 2013, at 4:23 PM, "George Butterfield" > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Not guilty........( for once?)
> >>> George
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPad
> >>>
> >>> On Feb 4, 2013, at 5:02 PM, Pamela Bain pbain@ > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Shall we email Betty Windsor, as George calls her? Love it..... I agree Leiscester.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Feb 4, 2013, at 3:35 PM, "rspfripp" r_fripp@ _fripp@ >> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Now that his skeleton has been identified as that of Richard III and found to be wounded by 1/ a bladed weapon and 2/ an arrow in the spine, I lay claim to have called his end correctly in my play 'Dark Sovereign' (Act 5, 9. 160+).
> >>>>
> >>>> Here is how King Richard departs 'Dark Sovereign'; and here is how D.S. dismisses one of Shakespeare's more disgraceful lines...
> >>>>
> >>>> << STAGE DIRECTION: Enter the TUDORS and FORCES. All fight.
> >>>>
> >>>> VOICE 2 shouts: Fly the field, my lord, or we must fail.
> >>>> VOICE 1 shouts: A horse! A horse! Some bring the king a horse!
> >>>> K.RICHARD: I will not budge a foot.
> >>>> I'll rather die the king of England. (160)
> >>>>
> >>>> Enter FORCES, shouting: Stanley! Stanley! Stanley!
> >>>>
> >>>> K.RICHARD: Treason! Treason! Treason!
> >>>> KING RICHARD is killed. >>
> >>>>
> >>>> While I have your attention: Let us be sure to oppose any effort to bury King Richard in the South, and that includes Westminster Abbey. Pre- and post-Shakespeare, the South has done nothing but smear King Richard with spite and lies for 500 years.
> >>>>
> >>>> Robert Fripp
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
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--- In , Paul Trevor Bale wrote:
>
> I meant in the programme. Great man Richard up to 83 then a change took place we are still arguing over. Then he said he still thinks he killed his nephews "I would have done" but that it is not definite. Up to recent times he was a definite.
> Paul
>
> Richard Liveth Yet!
>
>
>
>
> On 5 Feb 2013, at 15:25, mairemulholland wrote:
>
> > Paul: can you tell me where to find Pollard's back tracking? Fascinating! Maire.
> >
> > --- In , Paul Trevor Bale wrote:
> >>
> >> it is me who refers to her as Betty W!
> >> Paul
> >>
> >> Good to see some back tracking from Pollard, though he is still in favour of Richard killing his nephews, albeit now it is not definite any more!
> >> baby steps?
> >> Richard Liveth Yet!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 4 Feb 2013, at 23:34, Pamela Bain wrote:
> >>
> >>> Oops, sorry George. My mistake. I just loved it.
> >>>
> >>> On Feb 4, 2013, at 4:23 PM, "George Butterfield" > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Not guilty........( for once?)
> >>> George
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPad
> >>>
> >>> On Feb 4, 2013, at 5:02 PM, Pamela Bain pbain@ > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Shall we email Betty Windsor, as George calls her? Love it..... I agree Leiscester.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Feb 4, 2013, at 3:35 PM, "rspfripp" r_fripp@ _fripp@ >> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Now that his skeleton has been identified as that of Richard III and found to be wounded by 1/ a bladed weapon and 2/ an arrow in the spine, I lay claim to have called his end correctly in my play 'Dark Sovereign' (Act 5, 9. 160+).
> >>>>
> >>>> Here is how King Richard departs 'Dark Sovereign'; and here is how D.S. dismisses one of Shakespeare's more disgraceful lines...
> >>>>
> >>>> << STAGE DIRECTION: Enter the TUDORS and FORCES. All fight.
> >>>>
> >>>> VOICE 2 shouts: Fly the field, my lord, or we must fail.
> >>>> VOICE 1 shouts: A horse! A horse! Some bring the king a horse!
> >>>> K.RICHARD: I will not budge a foot.
> >>>> I'll rather die the king of England. (160)
> >>>>
> >>>> Enter FORCES, shouting: Stanley! Stanley! Stanley!
> >>>>
> >>>> K.RICHARD: Treason! Treason! Treason!
> >>>> KING RICHARD is killed. >>
> >>>>
> >>>> While I have your attention: Let us be sure to oppose any effort to bury King Richard in the South, and that includes Westminster Abbey. Pre- and post-Shakespeare, the South has done nothing but smear King Richard with spite and lies for 500 years.
> >>>>
> >>>> Robert Fripp
> >>>>
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> >>>>
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