Live Channel 4 Q&A (sorry for formatting issues)

10:37
Channel 4 Community Manager: Philippa and Lin will be with us shortly
10:39
Channel 4 Community Manager: Philippa is here, good evening Philippa
10:40
PHILIPPA LANGLEY: Hi this is Philippa I'm looking forwaard to answering your questions.
10:40 Comment From Diana Powell  Will you be writing a book on the search and discovery Phillipa? I hope so.
10:40
Channel 4 Community Manager: And Lyn will be with us shortly, let's have a first question for Philippa
10:41
PHILIPPA LANGLEY: Good idea .....!
10:42
Channel 4 Community Manager: And Lin's now here!
10:42 Comment From Hallie  I'm wondering if any members of the current Royal Family have shown interest in this project.
10:42
LIN FOXHALL: hI EVERYONE!
10:42
PHILIPPA LANGLEY: Yes, they have been watching events ...
10:42
LIN FOXHALL: nOT REALLY, THEY AREN'T RELATED
10:43
LIN FOXHALL: They aren't directly relatrd to the Plantagenets
10:44 Comment From Jo Scott  With this amazing find do you think this is now an appropriate time for a
re-investigation of the skeletons found in the Tower of London to
determine finally if theyare Richards nephews Edward and Richard?
10:45
LIN FOXHALL:  It might be, but we are still at an early stage in the genetic
investigations. Whether we can do thuis will depend on whether we can
get enough nuclear DNA, with Y chromosome information

10:45
PHILIPPA LANGLEY:  Funnily enough, no Richard owned a Wycliffe bible ...
10:45 Comment From Ciaran McDonnell  If Richard had won the battle would England still be a Catholic Country?
10:46 Comment From Kate Stewart  Did any of your findings contradict the records of what happened in August
1485 that are contained in the historical chronicles of the period?
10:47
LIN FOXHALL:  The accounts of the Battle of Boswoth in 1485 were very mixed and contradictory
10:48
PHILIPPA LANGLEY:  He lost his tooth sometime when in the grave, not in life ...
10:48 Comment From Julian R.Ellison  what does this mean for Richard lll living relatives?
10:48
PHILIPPA LANGLEY:  It just means that they know their lineage ...
10:48
LIN FOXHALL:  Hard to tell - he is a very distant relative
10:49 Comment From Verity Connor  The grave looks very shallow under the tiled floor with the skull almost at the surface. How could it survive without crushing at least on the top. Surely it wasn't a 'feature' in the floor?
10:49
LIN FOXHALL:  The grave was very shallow and not very carefully dug. it was also too short for him.
10:50 Comment From DIANA POWELL  I am amazed at the severity of the scoliosis to his spine. How can
someone with such a disability have ridden a horse, let alone in full
plate armour?
10:50
PHILIPPA LANGLEY:  It's not a disability, it's a condition. Usain Bolt has scoliosis ...
10:50
LIN FOXHALL:  It is hard to tell how the scoliosis would have affected his movement. clearly he was very active and energetic.
10:51 Comment From Kate Parry  Were any other bodies found during the dig?

10:52
LIN FOXHALL:  We found other graves (medieval churches are full of graves). One was a
reburied incompleted skeleton (female). Anither earlier graved we didn't dig.

10:52
PHILIPPA LANGLEY:  By knowing about the real R3 we will be able to judge the propaganda against him ...

10:52 Comment From Jane Morris  Congratulations, what a discovery! How do you think this find will change people's perception of Richard III?
10:53
LIN FOXHALL:  We will ahve to rethink the very confused and politically charged written sources!
10:53 Comment From Bogdan  Hello, absolutely fascinating, how did you know to dig up in that car park, what clues lead you there?
10:54
LIN FOXHALL:  The general location of the Grey Friars was known from early maps.
10:54
PHILIPPA LANGLEY:  Okay ... well I had a pretty odd experience with an intuitive feeling, and
then I hooked up with Dr john Ashdown-Hill an historian who suspected
the church was in that area ....
10:55 Comment From McJohn  In light of the tremendous news, any chance that a public-access Web-based archive of historical documents relating to the Wars of the
Roses/Richard III's reign will be built?
10:55
LIN FOXHALL:  The city of Leicester inteds to build a Richard III visitors' centre.

10:56
PHILIPPA LANGLEY:  The Richard III Society is in talks with Leicester City Council to give them their archive for the visitor centre there ....

10:56 Comment From Verity Connor  I understood that tests would reveal (as further evidence) where he grew
up. Was this impossible, even though it was discovered that his diet
consisted of much seafood?
10:56 Comment From Andrew McCullough  How could you tell he'd had a fish diet?

10:58
LIN FOXHALL:  We are still continuing our investigations about food and diet. More
stable isotope analysis is about to be done. This tells us about the
specific components of food and water when teeth were developing

10:58 Comment From Monica Waters  Did Anne of York's descendants know of their genealogy prior to the search?

10:58
PHILIPPA LANGLEY:  Yes, they did as John Ashdown-Hill had been in touch with them to let them know about his research into the mtDNA ....
10:59 Channel 4 Community Manager: Thanks for all your questions, sorry we can't publish all of them, but we have time for a few more.
10:59 Comment From Kimberley Foy  Some have been critical of the 'fuss' surrounding this discovery demanding
to know what historical significance it holds. What's wrong with simply
enjoying it? Do we really need to be hyper academic about everything?
10:59
LIN FOXHALL:  The stable isotope analysis when we did the C14 dating revealed extra
'dead' carbon, characteristic of marine fish living in the ocean.
11:00
LIN FOXHALL:  We do enjoy it and are thrilled to bits! But, as professional academic
archaeologists, we need to feel that our conclusions and interpretations are evidence based.
11:01 Comment From Denise  A barbed iron arrowhead was found between vertebrae of the skeleton's
upper back
Do you know if this was an injury from the battle or could it have been
the cause of Richard's scoliosis? Perhaps from a childhood game or
weapons training accident?
11:01
LIN FOXHALL:  It turned out not to be an arrowhead. On further investigation it sees to
be a Roman nail. This is why we need to investigate thoroughly.
11:02 Comment From McJohn  Congrats from a longtime Richard fan in Texas! Richard was a Catholic and will
be interred in an Anglican cathedral. Will there be acknowledgement of
the king's religious background during the ceremonies, or do we not yet
know?
11:03
PHILIPPA LANGLEY:  Yes, definitely this has been agreed ... there will be masses said for him also in the Catholic churches ....
11:03
LIN FOXHALL:  Yes. All old Anglican churches were once Roman Catholic
11:04
LIN FOXHALL:  There are loads of Catholic burials in all Anglican churches

11:04 Comment From Steven Driscoll  What does the grave tell us about the monks?

11:04
LIN FOXHALL:  That is a good question. If the monks buried him, and we don't know why they did, it was in a hurry. Were they compelled?




11:05
LIN FOXHALL:  Richard III was buried in quite a private place in the church
11:05 Comment From Philip Wilkinson  Congratulations to all for this wonderful piece of work. What happens now and will this incredible project continue, and how?

11:06
LIN FOXHALL:  There is still more research to be done before reburial. It would also be great to know more about the Grey Friars church
11:06
PHILIPPA LANGLEY:  Yeah, project is now going forward to the Reburial and we hope to film this with C4 also ...
11:06 Channel 4 Community Manager: We've got time for one last question before draw to a close tonight


11:07
Comment From Graham Rye  How concrete percentage-wise is it that these *are* the remains of Richard
III, and can this discovery be considered irrefutable?

11:07

LIN FOXHALL:  Archaeologists will never say 100%; our evidence is by nature fragmentary. But today's conclusion is as close as it gets!

11:08

PHILIPPA LANGLEY:  Yes, pretty much as all the tests proved positive .... so it's him!

11:08

LIN FOXHALL:  Phillippa is right, all the lines of evidence draw together

11:08
Channel 4 Community Manager: And that's all we've got time for tonight. Thanks for all your questions,
if yours wasn't answered we hope you've enjoyed the ones featured
tonight.


11:09 Channel 4 Community Manager: Thank you to Philippa and thanks to Lin for joining us
11:09
LIN FOXHALL:  Thank you all for your excellent questions! It is fantastice that so many
people are as excited about this as we are. Good night.
11:09
PHILIPPA LANGLEY:  Thanks everyone for your questions was good to take part! Bye ....

11:09
Comment From Poppy M  From all this Phillipa, i'm sure you'll agree that certainly one person can make a difference?


11:10 Comment From Fiona gallagher  good night, really thrilled to see your successes
11:10
LIN FOXHALL:  A great piece of teamwork!


11:10
Comment From Andy Pope  Thank you Phillips , lyn and ch 4 FAntastic work and great prog.

Thanks for posting this Cecelia, I wasn't able to see it all..

Maybe experts should stick to their area of expertise! This from Lin
Foxhall:

10:42 Comment From Hallie  I'm wondering if any members of the current
Royal Family have shown interest in this project.
10:42
LIN FOXHALL:Â hI EVERYONE!
10:42
PHILIPPA LANGLEY:Â Yes, they have been watching events ...
10:42
LIN FOXHALL:Â nOT REALLY, THEY AREN'T RELATED
10:43
LIN FOXHALL:Â They aren't directly relatrd to the Plantagenets

Huh? The whole lot of them are DIRECT descendants of the Plantagenets thru
Elizabeth of York. Guess Prof. Foxhall knows her archealogy and ancient
history but medieval and later history, not so much!

Sidenote, just now on FoxNews Shepherd Smith said they remains were found in
a supermarket parking lot!

The media and experts today are no better than Polydore Vergil and Sir
Thomas More!

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Thanks for the transcript. I JUST happened to get in before Ms. Langley and Dr. Foxhall signed on. I got four questions in to the moderator and they took two of 'em.

So... tooth lost post-burial, not in life. What we (to be precise, the archeologists) thought was a barbed arrowhead or pikehead was a Roman-era nail unrelated to the burial. (I was all, "Oh, don't tell me the so-and-sos went and crucified the poor guy!" Happily, that was not the case.) The team is still working on extracting Y-chromosome DNA for a possible match to non-matrilineal male relatives, such as, say, two young fellas whose bones may or may not rest in Westminster Abbey. The RIII Society is planning to donate their documentation archive to the new Visitors Centre to be built in the building the Leicester City Council just bought; I asked about Web archives and that wasn't specifically addressed, so I plan to pout until someone promises me. Maybe all the "Ricardians" made available to a world audience of amateur historians...?

So after reading every email, I am a bit confused as to burial site and time......somewhere next year, and somewhere as yet to be named. Did I get that confused? I can see not better place for his tomb but in Leicester, especially with the work being done there. It seems that an interactive museum or exhibition would be wonderful. I am totally unaware of the regulation, rules and conventions of Queen Elizabeth II and the Royal Protocol for this. But, since he died and was buried in Leicester, it just seems the grand thing to do for him, and the good Grey Friars, whom I assume Henry VIII, ran out of town!


On Feb 4, 2013, at 7:37 PM, "mcjohn_wt_net" <mcjohn@...<mailto:mcjohn@...>> wrote:



Thanks for the transcript. I JUST happened to get in before Ms. Langley and Dr. Foxhall signed on. I got four questions in to the moderator and they took two of 'em.

So... tooth lost post-burial, not in life. What we (to be precise, the archeologists) thought was a barbed arrowhead or pikehead was a Roman-era nail unrelated to the burial. (I was all, "Oh, don't tell me the so-and-sos went and crucified the poor guy!" Happily, that was not the case.) The team is still working on extracting Y-chromosome DNA for a possible match to non-matrilineal male relatives, such as, say, two young fellas whose bones may or may not rest in Westminster Abbey. The RIII Society is planning to donate their documentation archive to the new Visitors Centre to be built in the building the Leicester City Council just bought; I asked about Web archives and that wasn't specifically addressed, so I plan to pout until someone promises me. Maybe all the "Ricardians" made available to a world audience of amateur historians...?

Pamela, some feel he should be buried at York and some feel he should stay in Leicester. And some has suggested Westminster Abbey. It is a very touchy subject matter or our Brit friends:)

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On Feb 4, 2013, at 8:48 PM, Pamela Bain <pbain@...> wrote:

> So after reading every email, I am a bit confused as to burial site and time......somewhere next year, and somewhere as yet to be named. Did I get that confused? I can see not better place for his tomb but in Leicester, especially with the work being done there. It seems that an interactive museum or exhibition would be wonderful. I am totally unaware of the regulation, rules and conventions of Queen Elizabeth II and the Royal Protocol for this. But, since he died and was buried in Leicester, it just seems the grand thing to do for him, and the good Grey Friars, whom I assume Henry VIII, ran out of town!
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> So... tooth lost post-burial, not in life. What we (to be precise, the archeologists) thought was a barbed arrowhead or pikehead was a Roman-era nail unrelated to the burial. (I was all, "Oh, don't tell me the so-and-sos went and crucified the poor guy!" Happily, that was not the case.) The team is still working on extracting Y-chromosome DNA for a possible match to non-matrilineal male relatives, such as, say, two young fellas whose bones may or may not rest in Westminster Abbey. The RIII Society is planning to donate their documentation archive to the new Visitors Centre to be built in the building the Leicester City Council just bought; I asked about Web archives and that wasn't specifically addressed, so I plan to pout until someone promises me. Maybe all the "Ricardians" made available to a world audience of amateur historians...?
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Howdy, Pam! Leicester Cathedral, some time next year, when all the investigations of the remains are completed. I must say that the rep for the cathedral was looking extremely happy about this. He was braggin' on the memorial the RIII Society put in in 1980 (I guess it was), but wasn't there some hullabaloo about that from the church officials? If you initially said no, you shouldn't be allowed to brag later about what decent chaps you were to get thrashed into saying yes. That's what I think.

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> So after reading every email, I am a bit confused as to burial site and time......somewhere next year, and somewhere as yet to be named. Did I get that confused? I can see not better place for his tomb but in Leicester, especially with the work being done there. It seems that an interactive museum or exhibition would be wonderful. I am totally unaware of the regulation, rules and conventions of Queen Elizabeth II and the Royal Protocol for this. But, since he died and was buried in Leicester, it just seems the grand thing to do for him, and the good Grey Friars, whom I assume Henry VIII, ran out of town!
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> Thanks for the transcript. I JUST happened to get in before Ms. Langley and Dr. Foxhall signed on. I got four questions in to the moderator and they took two of 'em.
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> So... tooth lost post-burial, not in life. What we (to be precise, the archeologists) thought was a barbed arrowhead or pikehead was a Roman-era nail unrelated to the burial. (I was all, "Oh, don't tell me the so-and-sos went and crucified the poor guy!" Happily, that was not the case.) The team is still working on extracting Y-chromosome DNA for a possible match to non-matrilineal male relatives, such as, say, two young fellas whose bones may or may not rest in Westminster Abbey. The RIII Society is planning to donate their documentation archive to the new Visitors Centre to be built in the building the Leicester City Council just bought; I asked about Web archives and that wasn't specifically addressed, so I plan to pout until someone promises me. Maybe all the "Ricardians" made available to a world audience of amateur historians...?
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But they definitely did say that the interment next year (2014?) would be in Leicester Cathedral.
Loyaulte me lie,
Jo

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Pamela, some feel he should be buried at York and some feel he should stay in Leicester. And some has suggested Westminster Abbey. It is a very touchy subject matter or our Brit friends:)

Sent from my iPad

On Feb 4, 2013, at 8:48 PM, Pamela Bain <pbain@...> wrote:

> So after reading every email, I am a bit confused as to burial site and time......somewhere next year, and somewhere as yet to be named. Did I get that confused? I can see not better place for his tomb but in Leicester, especially with the work being done there. It seems that an interactive museum or exhibition would be wonderful. I am totally unaware of the regulation, rules and conventions of Queen Elizabeth II and the Royal Protocol for this. But, since he died and was buried in Leicester, it just seems the grand thing to do for him, and the good Grey Friars, whom I assume Henry VIII, ran out of town!
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> On Feb 4, 2013, at 7:37 PM, "mcjohn_wt_net" <mcjohn@...<mailto:mcjohn@...>> wrote:
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> Thanks for the transcript. I JUST happened to get in before Ms. Langley and Dr. Foxhall signed on. I got four questions in to the moderator and they took two of 'em.
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> So... tooth lost post-burial, not in life. What we (to be precise, the archeologists) thought was a barbed arrowhead or pikehead was a Roman-era nail unrelated to the burial. (I was all, "Oh, don't tell me the so-and-sos went and crucified the poor guy!" Happily, that was not the case.) The team is still working on extracting Y-chromosome DNA for a possible match to non-matrilineal male relatives, such as, say, two young fellas whose bones may or may not rest in Westminster Abbey. The RIII Society is planning to donate their documentation archive to the new Visitors Centre to be built in the building the Leicester City Council just bought; I asked about Web archives and that wasn't specifically addressed, so I plan to pout until someone promises me. Maybe all the "Ricardians" made available to a world audience of amateur historians...?
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I seem to recall recommending in September that we lay in a stock of lawn chairs and popcorn for the tug-o-war over reinterment privileges. Tragically for the cause of my amusement, everyone seems to have been very grown up about it.

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Understood, just my opinion. Perhaps the long time between the find and the burial is to iron out all the many contentious parties, and I HOPE, prepare for a regal burial, which aside from Princess Diana, would be another first.

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Pamela, some feel he should be buried at York and some feel he should stay in Leicester. And some has suggested Westminster Abbey. It is a very touchy subject matter or our Brit friends:)

Sent from my iPad

On Feb 4, 2013, at 8:48 PM, Pamela Bain pbain@...<mailto:pbain%40bmbi.com>> wrote:

> So after reading every email, I am a bit confused as to burial site and time......somewhere next year, and somewhere as yet to be named. Did I get that confused? I can see not better place for his tomb but in Leicester, especially with the work being done there. It seems that an interactive museum or exhibition would be wonderful. I am totally unaware of the regulation, rules and conventions of Queen Elizabeth II and the Royal Protocol for this. But, since he died and was buried in Leicester, it just seems the grand thing to do for him, and the good Grey Friars, whom I assume Henry VIII, ran out of town!
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> Thanks for the transcript. I JUST happened to get in before Ms. Langley and Dr. Foxhall signed on. I got four questions in to the moderator and they took two of 'em.
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> So... tooth lost post-burial, not in life. What we (to be precise, the archeologists) thought was a barbed arrowhead or pikehead was a Roman-era nail unrelated to the burial. (I was all, "Oh, don't tell me the so-and-sos went and crucified the poor guy!" Happily, that was not the case.) The team is still working on extracting Y-chromosome DNA for a possible match to non-matrilineal male relatives, such as, say, two young fellas whose bones may or may not rest in Westminster Abbey. The RIII Society is planning to donate their documentation archive to the new Visitors Centre to be built in the building the Leicester City Council just bought; I asked about Web archives and that wasn't specifically addressed, so I plan to pout until someone promises me. Maybe all the "Ricardians" made available to a world audience of amateur historians...?
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BBC news today said "someone from York" (But I don't think they meant the Archbishop!) has written to Her Maj asking for him to buried there but they also said permission to excavate was only given on the grounds that he was reburied in Leicester.  To be frank I don't think Her Maj is remotely interested in medieval history.  I also don't think she's interested in the terrible Tudors either.



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Howdy, Pam! Leicester Cathedral, some time next year, when all the investigations of the remains are completed. I must say that the rep for the cathedral was looking extremely happy about this. He was braggin' on the memorial the RIII Society put in in 1980 (I guess it was), but wasn't there some hullabaloo about that from the church officials? If you initially said no, you shouldn't be allowed to brag later about what decent chaps you were to get thrashed into saying yes. That's what I think.

--- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, Pamela Bain wrote:
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> So after reading every email, I am a bit confused as to burial site and time......somewhere next year, and somewhere as yet to be named. Did I get that confused? I can see not better place for his tomb but in Leicester, especially with the work being done there. It seems that an interactive museum or exhibition would be wonderful. I am totally unaware of the regulation, rules and conventions of Queen Elizabeth II and the Royal Protocol for this. But, since he died and was buried in Leicester, it just seems the grand thing to do for him, and the good Grey Friars, whom I assume Henry VIII, ran out of town!
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> On Feb 4, 2013, at 7:37 PM, "mcjohn_wt_net" > wrote:
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> Thanks for the transcript. I JUST happened to get in before Ms. Langley and Dr. Foxhall signed on. I got four questions in to the moderator and they took two of 'em.
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> So... tooth lost post-burial, not in life. What we (to be precise, the archeologists) thought was a barbed arrowhead or pikehead was a Roman-era nail unrelated to the burial. (I was all, "Oh, don't tell me the so-and-sos went and crucified the poor guy!" Happily, that was not the case.) The team is still working on extracting Y-chromosome DNA for a possible match to non-matrilineal male relatives, such as, say, two young fellas whose bones may or may not rest in Westminster Abbey. The RIII Society is planning to donate their documentation archive to the new Visitors Centre to be built in the building the Leicester City Council just bought; I asked about Web archives and that wasn't specifically addressed, so I plan to pout until someone promises me. Maybe all the "Ricardians" made available to a world audience of amateur historians...?
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Hello all, I believe its York council who have written to the Queen.
I have a strong feling she will not want to be involved.
God Bless Richard, handsome chap.
Loyaulte me Lie
Christine

This could have started a couple of new wars. The universities of Bristol (who do Time Team)and Mary Beard from Cambridge are already bitching about the over-reaction, waste of resources etc, etc (academia was ever like this, think Inspector Morse) and the funeral row was bound to erupt - Leicester is the fourth smallest cathedral in the country. I've no doubt the Queen couldn't care less (Charlie might). Twas bound to happen - bet him up there is having a good laugh!  


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BBC news today said "someone from York" (But I don't think they meant the Archbishop!) has written to Her Maj asking for him to buried there but they also said permission to excavate was only given on the grounds that he was reburied in Leicester.  To be frank I don't think Her Maj is remotely interested in medieval history.  I also don't think she's interested in the terrible Tudors either.

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To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, 5 February 2013, 1:53
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Howdy, Pam! Leicester Cathedral, some time next year, when all the investigations of the remains are completed. I must say that the rep for the cathedral was looking extremely happy about this. He was braggin' on the memorial the RIII Society put in in 1980 (I guess it was), but wasn't there some hullabaloo about that from the church officials? If you initially said no, you shouldn't be allowed to brag later about what decent chaps you were to get thrashed into saying yes. That's what I think.

--- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, Pamela Bain wrote:
>
> So after reading every email, I am a bit confused as to burial site and time......somewhere next year, and somewhere as yet to be named. Did I get that confused? I can see not better place for his tomb but in Leicester, especially with the work being done there. It seems that an interactive museum or exhibition would be wonderful. I am totally unaware of the regulation, rules and conventions of Queen Elizabeth II and the Royal Protocol for this. But, since he died and was buried in Leicester, it just seems the grand thing to do for him, and the good Grey Friars, whom I assume Henry VIII, ran out of town!
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> On Feb 4, 2013, at 7:37 PM, "mcjohn_wt_net" > wrote:
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> Thanks for the transcript. I JUST happened to get in before Ms. Langley and Dr. Foxhall signed on. I got four questions in to the moderator and they took two of 'em.
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> So... tooth lost post-burial, not in life. What we (to be precise, the archeologists) thought was a barbed arrowhead or pikehead was a Roman-era nail unrelated to the burial. (I was all, "Oh, don't tell me the so-and-sos went and crucified the poor guy!" Happily, that was not the case.) The team is still working on extracting Y-chromosome DNA for a possible match to non-matrilineal male relatives, such as, say, two young fellas whose bones may or may not rest in Westminster Abbey. The RIII Society is planning to donate their documentation archive to the new Visitors Centre to be built in the building the Leicester City Council just bought; I asked about Web archives and that wasn't specifically addressed, so I plan to pout until someone promises me. Maybe all the "Ricardians" made available to a world audience of amateur historians...?
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You know, I'm very disappointed in Mary Beard  Ancient History is my other big passion (although I prefer the Greeks to the Romans) and she is a superb academic but she's just wrong in this case.   How can finding one of the most famous Kings in English history be "a waste of resources"?  AFter all, it's not as if was paid for out of public taxes either!
 
Liz


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This could have started a couple of new wars. The universities of Bristol (who do Time Team)and Mary Beard from Cambridge are already bitching about the over-reaction, waste of resources etc, etc (academia was ever like this, think Inspector Morse) and the funeral row was bound to erupt - Leicester is the fourth smallest cathedral in the country. I've no doubt the Queen couldn't care less (Charlie might). Twas bound to happen - bet him up there is having a good laugh!  


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BBC news today said "someone from York" (But I don't think they meant the Archbishop!) has written to Her Maj asking for him to buried there but they also said permission to excavate was only given on the grounds that he was reburied in Leicester.  To be frank I don't think Her Maj is remotely interested in medieval history.  I also don't think she's interested in the terrible Tudors either.

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Howdy, Pam! Leicester Cathedral, some time next year, when all the investigations of the remains are completed. I must say that the rep for the cathedral was looking extremely happy about this. He was braggin' on the memorial the RIII Society put in in 1980 (I guess it was), but wasn't there some hullabaloo about that from the church officials? If you initially said no, you shouldn't be allowed to brag later about what decent chaps you were to get thrashed into saying yes. That's what I think.

--- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, Pamela Bain wrote:
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> So after reading every email, I am a bit confused as to burial site and time......somewhere next year, and somewhere as yet to be named. Did I get that confused? I can see not better place for his tomb but in Leicester, especially with the work being done there. It seems that an interactive museum or exhibition would be wonderful. I am totally unaware of the regulation, rules and conventions of Queen Elizabeth II and the Royal Protocol for this. But, since he died and was buried in Leicester, it just seems the grand thing to do for him, and the good Grey Friars, whom I assume Henry VIII, ran out of town!
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> On Feb 4, 2013, at 7:37 PM, "mcjohn_wt_net" > wrote:
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> Thanks for the transcript. I JUST happened to get in before Ms. Langley and Dr. Foxhall signed on. I got four questions in to the moderator and they took two of 'em.
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> So... tooth lost post-burial, not in life. What we (to be precise, the archeologists) thought was a barbed arrowhead or pikehead was a Roman-era nail unrelated to the burial. (I was all, "Oh, don't tell me the so-and-sos went and crucified the poor guy!" Happily, that was not the case.) The team is still working on extracting Y-chromosome DNA for a possible match to non-matrilineal male relatives, such as, say, two young fellas whose bones may or may not rest in Westminster Abbey. The RIII Society is planning to donate their documentation archive to the new Visitors Centre to be built in the building the Leicester City Council just bought; I asked about Web archives and that wasn't specifically addressed, so I plan to pout until someone promises me. Maybe all the "Ricardians" made available to a world audience of amateur historians...?
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He's definitely being buried in Leicester Cathedral next year...
On 5 Feb 2013, at 01:52, Ishita Bandyo wrote:

> Pamela, some feel he should be buried at York and some feel he should stay in Leicester. And some has suggested Westminster Abbey. It is a very touchy subject matter or our Brit friends:)
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> Sent from my iPad
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> On Feb 4, 2013, at 8:48 PM, Pamela Bain pbain@...> wrote:
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> > So after reading every email, I am a bit confused as to burial site and time......somewhere next year, and somewhere as yet to be named. Did I get that confused? I can see not better place for his tomb but in Leicester, especially with the work being done there. It seems that an interactive museum or exhibition would be wonderful. I am totally unaware of the regulation, rules and conventions of Queen Elizabeth II and the Royal Protocol for this. But, since he died and was buried in Leicester, it just seems the grand thing to do for him, and the good Grey Friars, whom I assume Henry VIII, ran out of town!
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> > So... tooth lost post-burial, not in life. What we (to be precise, the archeologists) thought was a barbed arrowhead or pikehead was a Roman-era nail unrelated to the burial. (I was all, "Oh, don't tell me the so-and-sos went and crucified the poor guy!" Happily, that was not the case.) The team is still working on extracting Y-chromosome DNA for a possible match to non-matrilineal male relatives, such as, say, two young fellas whose bones may or may not rest in Westminster Abbey. The RIII Society is planning to donate their documentation archive to the new Visitors Centre to be built in the building the Leicester City Council just bought; I asked about Web archives and that wasn't specifically addressed, so I plan to pout until someone promises me. Maybe all the "Ricardians" made available to a world audience of amateur historians...?
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I do agree - she was my daughter's tutor and role model (when not a Prof).   Perhaps the fame's gone to her head, though she doesn't seem the sort. We haven't heard much from Starkey, have we?!



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Sent: Tuesday, 5 February 2013, 14:36
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You know, I'm very disappointed in Mary Beard  Ancient History is my other big passion (although I prefer the Greeks to the Romans) and she is a superb academic but she's just wrong in this case.   How can finding one of the most famous Kings in English history be "a waste of resources"?  AFter all, it's not as if was paid for out of public taxes either!
 
Liz

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Sent: Tuesday, 5 February 2013, 14:00
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This could have started a couple of new wars. The universities of Bristol (who do Time Team)and Mary Beard from Cambridge are already bitching about the over-reaction, waste of resources etc, etc (academia was ever like this, think Inspector Morse) and the funeral row was bound to erupt - Leicester is the fourth smallest cathedral in the country. I've no doubt the Queen couldn't care less (Charlie might). Twas bound to happen - bet him up there is having a good laugh!  

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Sent: Tuesday, 5 February 2013, 13:49
Subject: Re: Re: Live Channel 4 Q&A (sorry for formatting issues)

 

BBC news today said "someone from York" (But I don't think they meant the Archbishop!) has written to Her Maj asking for him to buried there but they also said permission to excavate was only given on the grounds that he was reburied in Leicester.  To be frank I don't think Her Maj is remotely interested in medieval history.  I also don't think she's interested in the terrible Tudors either.

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To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, 5 February 2013, 1:53
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Howdy, Pam! Leicester Cathedral, some time next year, when all the investigations of the remains are completed. I must say that the rep for the cathedral was looking extremely happy about this. He was braggin' on the memorial the RIII Society put in in 1980 (I guess it was), but wasn't there some hullabaloo about that from the church officials? If you initially said no, you shouldn't be allowed to brag later about what decent chaps you were to get thrashed into saying yes. That's what I think.

--- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, Pamela Bain wrote:
>
> So after reading every email, I am a bit confused as to burial site and time......somewhere next year, and somewhere as yet to be named. Did I get that confused? I can see not better place for his tomb but in Leicester, especially with the work being done there. It seems that an interactive museum or exhibition would be wonderful. I am totally unaware of the regulation, rules and conventions of Queen Elizabeth II and the Royal Protocol for this. But, since he died and was buried in Leicester, it just seems the grand thing to do for him, and the good Grey Friars, whom I assume Henry VIII, ran out of town!
>
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> On Feb 4, 2013, at 7:37 PM, "mcjohn_wt_net" > wrote:
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>
>
> Thanks for the transcript. I JUST happened to get in before Ms. Langley and Dr. Foxhall signed on. I got four questions in to the moderator and they took two of 'em.
>
> So... tooth lost post-burial, not in life. What we (to be precise, the archeologists) thought was a barbed arrowhead or pikehead was a Roman-era nail unrelated to the burial. (I was all, "Oh, don't tell me the so-and-sos went and crucified the poor guy!" Happily, that was not the case.) The team is still working on extracting Y-chromosome DNA for a possible match to non-matrilineal male relatives, such as, say, two young fellas whose bones may or may not rest in Westminster Abbey. The RIII Society is planning to donate their documentation archive to the new Visitors Centre to be built in the building the Leicester City Council just bought; I asked about Web archives and that wasn't specifically addressed, so I plan to pout until someone promises me. Maybe all the "Ricardians" made available to a world audience of amateur historians...?
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Legally Richard can only be reburied in the nearest appropriate place, i.e. consecrated ground, to the excavaton. That is Leicester Cathedral. That was defined before the first shovel went into the ground, no matter who it turned out to be. Case closed. Let's not argue about it, but use our energies on praising his live and achievements.
Paul

Richard Liveth Yet!




On 5 Feb 2013, at 13:49, liz williams wrote:

> BBC news today said "someone from York" (But I don't think they meant the Archbishop!) has written to Her Maj asking for him to buried there but they also said permission to excavate was only given on the grounds that he was reburied in Leicester. To be frank I don't think Her Maj is remotely interested in medieval history. I also don't think she's interested in the terrible Tudors either.
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> Sent: Tuesday, 5 February 2013, 1:53
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> Howdy, Pam! Leicester Cathedral, some time next year, when all the investigations of the remains are completed. I must say that the rep for the cathedral was looking extremely happy about this. He was braggin' on the memorial the RIII Society put in in 1980 (I guess it was), but wasn't there some hullabaloo about that from the church officials? If you initially said no, you shouldn't be allowed to brag later about what decent chaps you were to get thrashed into saying yes. That's what I think.
>
> --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, Pamela Bain wrote:
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>> So after reading every email, I am a bit confused as to burial site and time......somewhere next year, and somewhere as yet to be named. Did I get that confused? I can see not better place for his tomb but in Leicester, especially with the work being done there. It seems that an interactive museum or exhibition would be wonderful. I am totally unaware of the regulation, rules and conventions of Queen Elizabeth II and the Royal Protocol for this. But, since he died and was buried in Leicester, it just seems the grand thing to do for him, and the good Grey Friars, whom I assume Henry VIII, ran out of town!
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>> On Feb 4, 2013, at 7:37 PM, "mcjohn_wt_net" > wrote:
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>> Thanks for the transcript. I JUST happened to get in before Ms. Langley and Dr. Foxhall signed on. I got four questions in to the moderator and they took two of 'em.
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>> So... tooth lost post-burial, not in life. What we (to be precise, the archeologists) thought was a barbed arrowhead or pikehead was a Roman-era nail unrelated to the burial. (I was all, "Oh, don't tell me the so-and-sos went and crucified the poor guy!" Happily, that was not the case.) The team is still working on extracting Y-chromosome DNA for a possible match to non-matrilineal male relatives, such as, say, two young fellas whose bones may or may not rest in Westminster Abbey. The RIII Society is planning to donate their documentation archive to the new Visitors Centre to be built in the building the Leicester City Council just bought; I asked about Web archives and that wasn't specifically addressed, so I plan to pout until someone promises me. Maybe all the "Ricardians" made available to a world audience of amateur historians...?
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Methinks it's a just a case of sour grapes, Liz.



Johanne



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From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of liz williams
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 10:36 AM
To:
Subject: Re: Re: Live Channel 4 Q&A (sorry for formatting issues)





You know, I'm very disappointed in Mary Beard Ancient History is my other big passion (although I prefer the Greeks to the Romans) and she is a superb academic but she's just wrong in this case. How can finding one of the most famous Kings in English history be "a waste of resources"? AFter all, it's not as if was paid for out of public taxes either!

Liz

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To: " <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> " <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> >
Sent: Tuesday, 5 February 2013, 14:00
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Pamela Bain wrote:
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> Understood, just my opinion. Perhaps the long time between the find and the burial is to iron out all the many contentious parties, and I HOPE, prepare for a regal burial, which aside from Princess Diana, would be another first.

Carol responds:

I'm wondering if they're planning to do a full-body restoration (with substitute feet). If so, they would keep that very hush-hush. And, I would hope, they would only show it clothed, so we could see him as he appeared to his courtiers and household knights (as opposed to the private Richard that only his wife, valet, tailor, and physicians would see). Just a thought. I tried to ask on the Q and A last night whether they would be doing any more tests on the bones, but my question wasn't answered. (Neither was the one where I asked them to distinguish clearly between scoliosis and kyphosis, a point that it seems the documentary didn't make or didn't sufficiently emphasize.)

Carol

Carol

In keeping with all other political or controversial events HM will read listen and say nothing.
This has kept her in a totally neutral position during her reign. What HM Gov. decide to do is anyone's bet.
I personally do not care if its York or wherever so long as he has a burial as befits his rank at a site were people can come to acknowledge the truth of his past.
George

Sent from my iPad

On Feb 5, 2013, at 9:00 AM, C HOLMES <christineholmes651@...> wrote:

> Hello all, I believe its York council who have written to the Queen.
> I have a strong feling she will not want to be involved.
> God Bless Richard, handsome chap.
> Loyaulte me Lie
> Christine
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Carol...I made a comment too about it was unfortunate they used the term 'hunchback' re someone who had scoliosis....but did not receive a reply...Philippa was visibly shocked as she stood at the graveside and was told by Jo Appleby (correct name??) that the remains had a hunchback. I thought it was simply a mistake by Jo Appleby which would be rectified at a later stage but then her colleague later used the term too....seems that's just what it is....a term that covers anything to do with a back that has a condition. They did show a picture of the back view of a lady who had scoliosis and yes, her back was a bit more fleshy/bunched up around the shoulders....The irony is that if it was not for the Tudor myth it really would hardly matter that much. Eileen
On 5 Feb 2013, at 15:33, justcarol67 wrote:

> Pamela Bain wrote:
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> > Understood, just my opinion. Perhaps the long time between the find and the burial is to iron out all the many contentious parties, and I HOPE, prepare for a regal burial, which aside from Princess Diana, would be another first.
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> Carol responds:
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> I'm wondering if they're planning to do a full-body restoration (with substitute feet). If so, they would keep that very hush-hush. And, I would hope, they would only show it clothed, so we could see him as he appeared to his courtiers and household knights (as opposed to the private Richard that only his wife, valet, tailor, and physicians would see). Just a thought. I tried to ask on the Q and A last night whether they would be doing any more tests on the bones, but my question wasn't answered. (Neither was the one where I asked them to distinguish clearly between scoliosis and kyphosis, a point that it seems the documentary didn't make or didn't sufficiently emphasize.)
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> Carol
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I get the impression that they're still working on extracting Y-chromosome DNA, which is going to be the real puzzler: mtDNA is, like, all over the place, but the... um... other variety that could answer question like eye and hair color and so forth... that's really a lot rarer and more fragile. Fingers crossed, but Dr. King, the geneticists, seems to know what she's doing.

--- In , "justcarol67" wrote:
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> Pamela Bain wrote:
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> > Understood, just my opinion. Perhaps the long time between the find and the burial is to iron out all the many contentious parties, and I HOPE, prepare for a regal burial, which aside from Princess Diana, would be another first.
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> Carol responds:
>
> I'm wondering if they're planning to do a full-body restoration (with substitute feet). If so, they would keep that very hush-hush. And, I would hope, they would only show it clothed, so we could see him as he appeared to his courtiers and household knights (as opposed to the private Richard that only his wife, valet, tailor, and physicians would see). Just a thought. I tried to ask on the Q and A last night whether they would be doing any more tests on the bones, but my question wasn't answered. (Neither was the one where I asked them to distinguish clearly between scoliosis and kyphosis, a point that it seems the documentary didn't make or didn't sufficiently emphasize.)
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George,
You will let us know how to get the DVD when you have it ready?  And thank you so much for doing it.
Vickie

From: George Butterfield <gbutterf1@...>
To: "" <>
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2013 10:41 AM
Subject: Re: Re: Live Channel 4 Q&A (sorry for formatting issues)

 
In keeping with all other political or controversial events HM will read listen and say nothing.
This has kept her in a totally neutral position during her reign. What HM Gov. decide to do is anyone's bet.
I personally do not care if its York or wherever so long as he has a burial as befits his rank at a site were people can come to acknowledge the truth of his past.
George

Sent from my iPad

On Feb 5, 2013, at 9:00 AM, C HOLMES mailto:christineholmes651%40btinternet.com> wrote:

> Hello all, I believe its York council who have written to the Queen.
> I have a strong feling she will not want to be involved.
> God Bless Richard, handsome chap.
> Loyaulte me Lie
> Christine
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Sour grapes indeed. It may also absolutely kill some that laymen rather than academics spearheaded this, that the Society financed it, and that Leicester Uni and not "their" uni is shining now...and also perhaps that "they" didn't get the idea or do the groundwork to begin with.

~Weds


--- In , Johanne Tournier wrote:
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> Methinks it’s a just a case of sour grapes, Liz.
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[mailto:] On Behalf Of liz williams
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> You know, I'm very disappointed in Mary Beard Ancient History is my other big passion (although I prefer the Greeks to the Romans) and she is a superb academic but she's just wrong in this case. How can finding one of the most famous Kings in English history be "a waste of resources"? AFter all, it's not as if was paid for out of public taxes either!

Vicki

I have a DVD for you but no address if you send your address to my e-mail I will get a DVD out to you.



George



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Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 12:59 PM
To:
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George,
You will let us know how to get the DVD when you have it ready? And thank you so much for doing it.
Vickie

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To: " <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> " <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> >
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2013 10:41 AM
Subject: Re: Re: Live Channel 4 Q&A (sorry for formatting issues)


In keeping with all other political or controversial events HM will read listen and say nothing.
This has kept her in a totally neutral position during her reign. What HM Gov. decide to do is anyone's bet.
I personally do not care if its York or wherever so long as he has a burial as befits his rank at a site were people can come to acknowledge the truth of his past.
George

Sent from my iPad

On Feb 5, 2013, at 9:00 AM, C HOLMES mailto:christineholmes651%40btinternet.com> wrote:

> Hello all, I believe its York council who have written to the Queen.
> I have a strong feling she will not want to be involved.
> God Bless Richard, handsome chap.
> Loyaulte me Lie
> Christine
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