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2013-02-05 13:26:57

Despite Richard's affinity with York and the north the most appropriate final resting place for the king should be Westminster Abbey, together with other royalty. Whether or not he ordered the killing of the two princes should not be an issue as there are many rulers buried there of whom we have confirmation of their atrocities - Edward I comes immediately to mind.

Re: Reburial

2013-02-05 14:27:58

liz williams

I have to say in my opinion (and I love the Abbey and in my previous job worked there regularly ) but - anywhere but there!

It is far too Tudor centric, they won't allow re-examination of the bones in the Urn (I had hoped that would change after the arrival of a new Dean 6 years ago, but no) and most important of all, there is no flipping room for him. He'd be shoved in a corner with some worthy but obscure poet or someone. I don't know if you've ever visited but it is cluttered with tombs and memorials and the like. There are Kings of England buried in other places - Henry II and Richard I aren't even buried in Englant

I have to agree with you about Edward I though - dreadful man.

However, it's a moot point since it's already been decided that he stays in Leicester.

Liz

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Subject: Reburial

Despite Richard's affinity with York and the north the most appropriate final resting place for the king should be Westminster Abbey, together with other royalty. Whether or not he ordered the killing of the two princes should not be an issue as there are many rulers buried there of whom we have confirmation of their atrocities - Edward I comes immediately to mind.

Re: Reburial

2013-02-05 14:50:55

Johanne Tournier

Yes, I think it would be terrible to have Richard at the Abbey. However, I would love to see Anne moved to be by his side assuming they could find her. The thing about Leicester it's the one place which has the virtue of being consistent with practice in other modern cases, and that will hopefully put a stop to the quibbling. Personally I'd rather see him there than in York, only because I think Leicester is much easier of access from all points; I'm more likely to be able to get there more than once in the future, which might not happen with York. Also, Leicester have definitely committed 100% to making Richard the central figure in promoting tourism to the region I just hope they will do it in a salutary and not overly money-grubbing way.

Loyaulte me lie,

Johanne

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From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of liz williams
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 10:28 AM
To:
Subject: Re: Reburial

I have to say in my opinion (and I love the Abbey and in my previous job worked there regularly ) but - anywhere but there!

It is far too Tudor centric, they won't allow re-examination of the bones in the Urn (I had hoped that would change after the arrival of a new Dean 6 years ago, but no) and most important of all, there is no flipping room for him. He'd be shoved in a corner with some worthy but obscure poet or someone. I don't know if you've ever visited but it is cluttered with tombs and memorials and the like. There are Kings of England buried in other places - Henry II and Richard I aren't even buried in Englant

I have to agree with you about Edward I though - dreadful man.

However, it's a moot point since it's already been decided that he stays in Leicester.

Liz

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Sent: Tuesday, 5 February 2013, 13:26
Subject: Reburial

Despite Richard's affinity with York and the north the most appropriate final resting place for the king should be Westminster Abbey, together with other royalty. Whether or not he ordered the killing of the two princes should not be an issue as there are many rulers buried there of whom we have confirmation of their atrocities - Edward I comes immediately to mind.

Reburial

2013-02-05 17:02:46

louise baldrey

The most fitting place for the reburial of Richard III would be Westminster
Abbey, where all the medieval kings are buried. However, if this is not
possible, *and*, as a catholic king, could he be buried in a monastery
(this is believed to have been his wish) where mass could be said regularly
for him. Therefore, what about the possibility of Mount St. Bernard's Abbey
in Leicestershire, a thriving, beautiful and modern Cistercian monastery
near to where he died ( see www.mountsaintbernard.org ).

Derek Ruff, Wilden, near Bedford

Re: Reburial

2013-02-05 17:09:32

George Butterfield

Probably not Westminster.... Can you imagine the conversation between R3 and Shakespeare
Surprised no one has mentioned St.Georges Chapel Windsor that would rattle lots of cages.
G

Sent from my iPad

On Feb 5, 2013, at 12:02 PM, louise baldrey <lbaldrey@...> wrote:

> The most fitting place for the reburial of Richard III would be Westminster
> Abbey, where all the medieval kings are buried. However, if this is not
> possible, *and*, as a catholic king, could he be buried in a monastery
> (this is believed to have been his wish) where mass could be said regularly
> for him. Therefore, what about the possibility of Mount St. Bernard's Abbey
> in Leicestershire, a thriving, beautiful and modern Cistercian monastery
> near to where he died ( see www.mountsaintbernard.org ).
>
> Derek Ruff, Wilden, near Bedford
>
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Re: Reburial

2013-02-05 17:31:42

eileen bates

I dont know why we keep getting posts about where Richard should be buried...it has been decided...He is going to be buried in Leicester Cathedral. End of.....Eileen
On 5 Feb 2013, at 17:09, George Butterfield wrote:

> Probably not Westminster.... Can you imagine the conversation between R3 and Shakespeare
> Surprised no one has mentioned St.Georges Chapel Windsor that would rattle lots of cages.
> G
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Feb 5, 2013, at 12:02 PM, louise baldrey lbaldrey@...> wrote:
>
> > The most fitting place for the reburial of Richard III would be Westminster
> > Abbey, where all the medieval kings are buried. However, if this is not
> > possible, *and*, as a catholic king, could he be buried in a monastery
> > (this is believed to have been his wish) where mass could be said regularly
> > for him. Therefore, what about the possibility of Mount St. Bernard's Abbey
> > in Leicestershire, a thriving, beautiful and modern Cistercian monastery
> > near to where he died ( see www.mountsaintbernard.org ).
> >
> > Derek Ruff, Wilden, near Bedford
> >
> >
> >
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Re: Reburial

2013-02-05 17:34:59

Stephen Lark

Under exhumation law and as agreed before the dig, this reburial must happen in Leicester Cathedral.

----- Original Message -----
From: louise baldrey
To:
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 5:02 PM
Subject: Reburial

The most fitting place for the reburial of Richard III would be Westminster
Abbey, where all the medieval kings are buried. However, if this is not
possible, *and*, as a catholic king, could he be buried in a monastery
(this is believed to have been his wish) where mass could be said regularly
for him. Therefore, what about the possibility of Mount St. Bernard's Abbey
in Leicestershire, a thriving, beautiful and modern Cistercian monastery
near to where he died ( see www.mountsaintbernard.org ).

Derek Ruff, Wilden, near Bedford

Re: Reburial

2013-02-05 17:41:27

George Butterfield

True
However,
I will bet you a silver boar that this discussion will not end till he is finally laid to rest in Leicester Cathedral
George

Sent from my iPad

On Feb 5, 2013, at 12:31 PM, eileen bates <eileenbates147@...> wrote:

> I dont know why we keep getting posts about where Richard should be buried...it has been decided...He is going to be buried in Leicester Cathedral. End of.....Eileen
> On 5 Feb 2013, at 17:09, George Butterfield wrote:
>
>> Probably not Westminster.... Can you imagine the conversation between R3 and Shakespeare
>> Surprised no one has mentioned St.Georges Chapel Windsor that would rattle lots of cages.
>> G
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Feb 5, 2013, at 12:02 PM, louise baldrey lbaldrey@...> wrote:
>>
>>> The most fitting place for the reburial of Richard III would be Westminster
>>> Abbey, where all the medieval kings are buried. However, if this is not
>>> possible, *and*, as a catholic king, could he be buried in a monastery
>>> (this is believed to have been his wish) where mass could be said regularly
>>> for him. Therefore, what about the possibility of Mount St. Bernard's Abbey
>>> in Leicestershire, a thriving, beautiful and modern Cistercian monastery
>>> near to where he died ( see www.mountsaintbernard.org ).
>>>
>>> Derek Ruff, Wilden, near Bedford
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>>>
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Re: Reburial

2013-02-05 18:00:16

mcjohn\_wt\_net

[Grinning.] I'll set up the lawn chairs if y'all get the popcorn going. This is gonna be fun to watch. You can't get much farther away from the usurpin' crouchbacked baby-slaughterer than this, can you? Everybody wants the boy to move in with 'em!

--- In , George Butterfield wrote:
>
> True
> However,
> I will bet you a silver boar that this discussion will not end till he is finally laid to rest in Leicester Cathedral
> George
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Feb 5, 2013, at 12:31 PM, eileen bates wrote:
>
> > I dont know why we keep getting posts about where Richard should be buried...it has been decided...He is going to be buried in Leicester Cathedral. End of.....Eileen
> > On 5 Feb 2013, at 17:09, George Butterfield wrote:
> >
> >> Probably not Westminster.... Can you imagine the conversation between R3 and Shakespeare
> >> Surprised no one has mentioned St.Georges Chapel Windsor that would rattle lots of cages.
> >> G
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPad
> >>
> >> On Feb 5, 2013, at 12:02 PM, louise baldrey lbaldrey@...> wrote:
> >>
> >>> The most fitting place for the reburial of Richard III would be Westminster
> >>> Abbey, where all the medieval kings are buried. However, if this is not
> >>> possible, *and*, as a catholic king, could he be buried in a monastery
> >>> (this is believed to have been his wish) where mass could be said regularly
> >>> for him. Therefore, what about the possibility of Mount St. Bernard's Abbey
> >>> in Leicestershire, a thriving, beautiful and modern Cistercian monastery
> >>> near to where he died ( see www.mountsaintbernard.org ).
> >>>
> >>> Derek Ruff, Wilden, near Bedford
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Re: Reburial

2013-02-05 18:10:26

George Butterfield

Perhaps they could stage a historical rematch of Bosworth with those for and against York Westminster and Leicester just when the cathedral is winning one of the others could switch sides?
G

Sent from my iPad

On Feb 5, 2013, at 1:00 PM, "mcjohn_wt_net" <mcjohn@...> wrote:

> [Grinning.] I'll set up the lawn chairs if y'all get the popcorn going. This is gonna be fun to watch. You can't get much farther away from the usurpin' crouchbacked baby-slaughterer than this, can you? Everybody wants the boy to move in with 'em!
>
> --- In , George Butterfield wrote:
> >
> > True
> > However,
> > I will bet you a silver boar that this discussion will not end till he is finally laid to rest in Leicester Cathedral
> > George
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> > On Feb 5, 2013, at 12:31 PM, eileen bates wrote:
> >
> > > I dont know why we keep getting posts about where Richard should be buried...it has been decided...He is going to be buried in Leicester Cathedral. End of.....Eileen
> > > On 5 Feb 2013, at 17:09, George Butterfield wrote:
> > >
> > >> Probably not Westminster.... Can you imagine the conversation between R3 and Shakespeare
> > >> Surprised no one has mentioned St.Georges Chapel Windsor that would rattle lots of cages.
> > >> G
> > >>
> > >> Sent from my iPad
> > >>
> > >> On Feb 5, 2013, at 12:02 PM, louise baldrey lbaldrey@...> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> The most fitting place for the reburial of Richard III would be Westminster
> > >>> Abbey, where all the medieval kings are buried. However, if this is not
> > >>> possible, *and*, as a catholic king, could he be buried in a monastery
> > >>> (this is believed to have been his wish) where mass could be said regularly
> > >>> for him. Therefore, what about the possibility of Mount St. Bernard's Abbey
> > >>> in Leicestershire, a thriving, beautiful and modern Cistercian monastery
> > >>> near to where he died ( see www.mountsaintbernard.org ).
> > >>>
> > >>> Derek Ruff, Wilden, near Bedford
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Re: Reburial

2013-02-05 18:24:49

Johanne Tournier

ROFL, George and Mcjohn

You're always ready with helpful suggestions!

Johanne

From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of George Butterfield
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 2:10 PM
To:
Subject: Re: Reburial

Perhaps they could stage a historical rematch of Bosworth with those for and against York Westminster and Leicester just when the cathedral is winning one of the others could switch sides?
G

Sent from my iPad

On Feb 5, 2013, at 1:00 PM, "mcjohn_wt_net" mcjohn@... <mailto:mcjohn%40oplink.net> > wrote:

> [Grinning.] I'll set up the lawn chairs if y'all get the popcorn going. This is gonna be fun to watch. You can't get much farther away from the usurpin' crouchbacked baby-slaughterer than this, can you? Everybody wants the boy to move in with 'em!

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Re: Reburial

2013-02-05 18:30:45

EileenB

Lol...

--- In , George Butterfield wrote:
>
> Perhaps they could stage a historical rematch of Bosworth with those for and against York Westminster and Leicester just when the cathedral is winning one of the others could switch sides?
> G
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Feb 5, 2013, at 1:00 PM, "mcjohn_wt_net" wrote:
>
> > [Grinning.] I'll set up the lawn chairs if y'all get the popcorn going. This is gonna be fun to watch. You can't get much farther away from the usurpin' crouchbacked baby-slaughterer than this, can you? Everybody wants the boy to move in with 'em!
> >
> > --- In , George Butterfield wrote:
> > >
> > > True
> > > However,
> > > I will bet you a silver boar that this discussion will not end till he is finally laid to rest in Leicester Cathedral
> > > George
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPad
> > >
> > > On Feb 5, 2013, at 12:31 PM, eileen bates wrote:
> > >
> > > > I dont know why we keep getting posts about where Richard should be buried...it has been decided...He is going to be buried in Leicester Cathedral. End of.....Eileen
> > > > On 5 Feb 2013, at 17:09, George Butterfield wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Probably not Westminster.... Can you imagine the conversation between R3 and Shakespeare
> > > >> Surprised no one has mentioned St.Georges Chapel Windsor that would rattle lots of cages.
> > > >> G
> > > >>
> > > >> Sent from my iPad
> > > >>
> > > >> On Feb 5, 2013, at 12:02 PM, louise baldrey lbaldrey@> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> The most fitting place for the reburial of Richard III would be Westminster
> > > >>> Abbey, where all the medieval kings are buried. However, if this is not
> > > >>> possible, *and*, as a catholic king, could he be buried in a monastery
> > > >>> (this is believed to have been his wish) where mass could be said regularly
> > > >>> for him. Therefore, what about the possibility of Mount St. Bernard's Abbey
> > > >>> in Leicestershire, a thriving, beautiful and modern Cistercian monastery
> > > >>> near to where he died ( see www.mountsaintbernard.org ).
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Derek Ruff, Wilden, near Bedford
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
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> > > >
> > > >
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> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
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Re: Reburial

2013-02-05 19:34:21

Paul Trevor Bale

Thank you Eileen, glad somebody else was listening!
Paul

Richard Liveth Yet!

On 5 Feb 2013, at 17:31, eileen bates wrote:

> I dont know why we keep getting posts about where Richard should be buried...it has been decided...He is going to be buried in Leicester Cathedral. End of.....Eileen
> On 5 Feb 2013, at 17:09, George Butterfield wrote:
>
>> Probably not Westminster.... Can you imagine the conversation between R3 and Shakespeare
>> Surprised no one has mentioned St.Georges Chapel Windsor that would rattle lots of cages.
>> G
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Feb 5, 2013, at 12:02 PM, louise baldrey lbaldrey@...> wrote:
>>
>>> The most fitting place for the reburial of Richard III would be Westminster
>>> Abbey, where all the medieval kings are buried. However, if this is not
>>> possible, *and*, as a catholic king, could he be buried in a monastery
>>> (this is believed to have been his wish) where mass could be said regularly
>>> for him. Therefore, what about the possibility of Mount St. Bernard's Abbey
>>> in Leicestershire, a thriving, beautiful and modern Cistercian monastery
>>> near to where he died ( see www.mountsaintbernard.org ).
>>>
>>> Derek Ruff, Wilden, near Bedford
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
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Re: Reburial

2013-02-05 19:38:33

EileenB

Paul...the Canon of Leicester Cathedral gave an interview yesterday. I was very impressed...his caring nature and assurances that Richard was going to be treated with the utmost respect and love....Totally reassured me. All will be well.....Eileen

--- In , Paul Trevor Bale wrote:
>
> Thank you Eileen, glad somebody else was listening!
> Paul
>
> Richard Liveth Yet!
>
>
>
>
> On 5 Feb 2013, at 17:31, eileen bates wrote:
>
> > I dont know why we keep getting posts about where Richard should be buried...it has been decided...He is going to be buried in Leicester Cathedral. End of.....Eileen
> > On 5 Feb 2013, at 17:09, George Butterfield wrote:
> >
> >> Probably not Westminster.... Can you imagine the conversation between R3 and Shakespeare
> >> Surprised no one has mentioned St.Georges Chapel Windsor that would rattle lots of cages.
> >> G
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPad
> >>
> >> On Feb 5, 2013, at 12:02 PM, louise baldrey lbaldrey@...> wrote:
> >>
> >>> The most fitting place for the reburial of Richard III would be Westminster
> >>> Abbey, where all the medieval kings are buried. However, if this is not
> >>> possible, *and*, as a catholic king, could he be buried in a monastery
> >>> (this is believed to have been his wish) where mass could be said regularly
> >>> for him. Therefore, what about the possibility of Mount St. Bernard's Abbey
> >>> in Leicestershire, a thriving, beautiful and modern Cistercian monastery
> >>> near to where he died ( see www.mountsaintbernard.org ).
> >>>
> >>> Derek Ruff, Wilden, near Bedford
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> > Yahoo! Groups Links
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Reburial

2013-02-06 17:56:55

lmeb123

York Minster wants him as a son of York.
Leicester Cathedral wants him as he has been there for 500 years.
Here is a compromise:-
that he be buried at Mount St. Bernard's Abbey, Charnwood Forest, Leicestershire which is 8-9 miles from the city and Bosworth Field. In this way, the King's wishes would be honoured, i.e. in a monastery where the monks would say masses for him. The people of Leicester would then keep him within the county.

Derek Ruff, Wilden, Bedford

Re: Reburial

2013-02-06 21:18:37

PHILIP PHOTIOU

Dear all
I totally agree with Westminster Abbey, no one has a better right to be buried here than poor Richard, the most detested monarch in English history for the past six hundred years. all those useless idiots who followed him have a lot more to answer for, especially the Tudors and the Stuarts. Lay him where he belongs.

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From: "buttonbaz1@..." <buttonbaz1@...>
To:
Sent: Tuesday, 5 February 2013, 13:26
Subject: Reburial

Despite Richard's affinity with York and the north the most appropriate final resting place for the king should be Westminster Abbey, together with other royalty. Whether or not he ordered the killing of the two princes should not be an issue as there are many rulers buried there of whom we have confirmation of their atrocities - Edward I comes immediately to mind.

Re: Reburial

2014-03-18 21:26:13

louise.baldrey

I really believe it to be important that Richard III's wishes be respected, that is to say, that he be buried in a monastery where monks could pray for him and say masses for him. He was, after all, a very religious man, and devout in his faith. Mount St. Bernard, just outside Leicester, would be an ideal burial ground for his remains as it befits his final wishes as King, and it is close to where he died.
Derek Ruff, Wilden, Bedfordshire

Reburial

2015-02-27 17:31:09

justcarol67

With the reburial so close at hand, I'm surprised that no one is discussing that topic. I'm happy to hear that the Duke of Gloucester and his wife will attend, along with the Countess of Essex. Too bad her husband, Prince Edward (of whom we Americans never hear anything, good or bad) won't be attending. I'd love to see the current royal family get a dose of true (non-Tudorized) history.

Carol

Re: Reburial

2015-02-27 21:24:56

Paul Trevor Bale

Don't know why anybody would want Edward there, but I do think it significant that he isn't, and that his 'common born' wife is. No close member of the Windsors will therefore be attending, showing their real feelings for the last Plantagenet.
Of course tracing their line back to Henry Tudor their legitimacy hits a brick wall, so no doubt they are grateful to the Earl of Derby's ancestor for betraying his master and letting the bastard line to steal the throne from the real royal family!
I think my continual upset about Richard's fate is showing............
I am still waiting for my official invitation from the Cathedral authorities to the Society service I won a seat in the ballot for. Getting really close so am understandably nervous.
Paul

On 27/02/2015 17:31, justcarol67@... [] wrote:
With the reburial so close at hand, I'm surprised that no one is discussing that topic. I'm happy to hear that the Duke of Gloucester and his wife will attend, along with the Countess of Essex. Too bad her husband, Prince Edward (of whom we Americans never hear anything, good or bad) won't be attending. I'd love to see the current royal family get a dose of true (non-Tudorized) history.

Carol

Re: Reburial

2015-02-27 21:53:53

Stephen

The Countess of Wessex’s descent is shown here:

http://www.genealogics.org/pedigree.php?personID=I00325642&tree=LEO&parentset=0&display=standard&generations=12

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On 27/02/2015 17:31, justcarol67@... [] wrote:

Re: Reburial

2015-02-27 22:21:13

Hilary Jones

Trouble is Stephen if we all went to the trouble about 80% of us could claim the same. So lots of 'farm labourers' in 19th century Northants are descendants of Henry II or even before. It's the son of the younger son of the younger son syndrome. I share Paul's disappointment; I did think someone like Prince Harry might make it if only to give it the military connection. My guess is that it will used as a chance to celebrate those who died in battle in wars and to link in with WWI to make it acceptable . It's a snub for sure, or perhaps just cold feet? H
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Subject: RE: Reburial

The Countess of Wessex's descent is shown here: http://www.genealogics.org/pedigree.php?personID=I00325642&tree=LEO&parentset=0&display=standard&generations=12

From: [mailto: ]
Sent: 27 February 2015 21:25
To:
Subject: Re: [Richard III Society Forum] Reburial Don't know why anybody would want Edward there, but I do think it significant that he isn't, and that his 'common born' wife is. No close member of the Windsors will therefore be attending, showing their real feelings for the last Plantagenet.
Of course tracing their line back to Henry Tudor their legitimacy hits a brick wall, so no doubt they are grateful to the Earl of Derby's ancestor for betraying his master and letting the bastard line to steal the throne from the real royal family!
I think my continual upset about Richard's fate is showing............
I am still waiting for my official invitation from the Cathedral authorities to the Society service I won a seat in the ballot for. Getting really close so am understandably nervous.
Paul

On 27/02/2015 17:31, justcarol67@... [] wrote: With the reburial so close at hand, I'm surprised that no one is discussing that topic. I'm happy to hear that the Duke of Gloucester and his wife will attend, along with the Countess of Essex. Too bad her husband, Prince Edward (of whom we Americans never hear anything, good or bad) won't be attending. I'd love to see the current royal family get a dose of true (non-Tudorized) history.

Carol

Re: Reburial

2015-02-27 23:34:37

Janjovian

Is it possible that a higher ranking royal could still attend, but that the powers that be have not announced it yet due to the current security situation, or is that just wishful thinking?

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Subject: Re: Reburial

Re: Reburial

2015-02-28 00:34:15

christinelheadley

I was told that tickets would be mailed out at the beginning of March, so there's no need for getting nervous yet In ten days or so, maybe.

Best wishes
Christine

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Sent: 27 February 2015 21:25
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Subject: Re: [Richard III Society Forum] Reburial <snip>
I am still waiting for my official invitation from the Cathedral authorities to the Society service I won a seat in the ballot for. Getting really close so am understandably nervous.
Paul

Re: Reburial

2015-02-28 16:03:40

Jan Mulrenan

Paul

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On 27 Feb 2015, at 21:53, 'Stephen' stephenmlark@... [] <> wrote:

The Countess of Wessex's descent is shown here:

http://www.genealogics.org/pedigree.php?personID=I00325642&tree=LEO&parentset=0&display=standard&generations=12

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On 27/02/2015 17:31, justcarol67@... [] wrote:

Re: Reburial

2015-02-28 16:05:09

Jan Mulrenan

Jan here.My tickets for the buffet & the Middleham Requiem arrived today. I'm sure yours will be on the way.

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On 27 Feb 2015, at 21:53, 'Stephen' stephenmlark@... [] <> wrote:

The Countess of Wessex's descent is shown here:

http://www.genealogics.org/pedigree.php?personID=I00325642&tree=LEO&parentset=0&display=standard&generations=12

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On 27/02/2015 17:31, justcarol67@... [] wrote:

Re: Reburial

2015-02-28 17:46:29

Paul Trevor Bale

Not going to the buffet or Requiem, as I'm making sure I am at home to watch the broadcast on my giant tv, it is the service in the Cathedral on Monday 23rd I am anxious about getting.Those are being organised by the cathedral authorities. Can they organise anything properly one asks?
Paul

On 28/02/2015 16:05, Jan Mulrenan janmulrenan@... [] wrote:
Jan here. My tickets for the buffet & the Middleham Requiem arrived today. I'm sure yours will be on the way.

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On 27 Feb 2015, at 21:53, 'Stephen' stephenmlark@... [] <> wrote:

The Countess of Wessex's descent is shown here:

http://www.genealogics.org/pedigree.php?personID=I00325642&tree=LEO&parentset=0&display=standard&generations=12

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On 27/02/2015 17:31, justcarol67@... [] wrote:

Re: Reburial

2015-02-28 20:16:34

justcarol67

Paul wrote :

Not going to the buffet or Requiem, as I'm making sure I am at home to watch the broadcast on my giant tv, [snip]

Carol responds:

Speaking of the broadcast, does anyone know whether the procession and any of the services will be broadcast on American TV (say, BBC America)? What, if anything, will we in the States be able to see? I don't want just the cursory coverage from CBS (especially after their blunder in mistaking Philippa Langley's description of Shakespeare's Richard for that of the historical king back when his skeleton was identified).

Carol

Re: Reburial

2015-02-28 20:28:26

Stephen

It is on Channel Four in the UK, which is not connected to the BBC.

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Re: Reburial

2015-03-01 13:37:12

Doug Stamate

Stephen wrote:

It is on Channel Four in the UK, which is not connected to the BBC.

Doug here:

Perhaps BBCAmerica will/could make some sort of deal with Channel 4? I know our Public Broadcasting stations have made deals with ITV in order to broadcast Poirot, so there's a precedent.

And hopefully there will be some mention, with clips, on BBC News.

Re: Reburial

2015-03-02 12:24:36

Paul Trevor Bale

Panic over. My invitation from Leicester Cathedral arrived this morning, along with the request I bring a passport or Driver's licence along with me!
Doors open at 6p.m so I will make sure I am there on the dot to get a seat as close to the king as I can.
Am I lucky or what?
Paul

Re: Reburial

2015-03-02 13:38:46

Janjovian

I do hope you have a really good time, Paul.
I didn't enter the ballot personally, but I will be glued to my large HD tv.

JessFrom: Paul Trevor Bale bale475@... []
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Re: Reburial

2015-03-02 15:25:02

mac.thirty

Congratulations! Mac

Re: Reburial

2015-03-02 18:05:59

Gilda Felt

You sure are. I had to pass on my invite, so I'm really glad that some from here are going to manage to be there.
Gilda

On Mar 2, 2015, at 7:24 AM, Paul Trevor Bale bale475@... [] wrote:

Panic over. My invitation from Leicester Cathedral arrived this morning, along with the request I bring a passport or Driver's licence along with me!
Doors open at 6p.m so I will make sure I am there on the dot to get a seat as close to the king as I can.
Am I lucky or what?
Paul

Re: Reburial

2015-03-02 18:22:26

mac.thirty

Does that mean you had to decline the invitation or that you could pass it to someone of your choice, Gilda?

Thanks for the clarification. Mac

Re: Reburial

2015-03-03 08:17:06

RONALD COOKSLEY

Here you are! The 'panic over' bit refers to the fact he thought they'd picked up on something he'd posted and black-balled him!
It's no use being there 'on the dot' ...there will be queues too presumably.
I think the only justification for a new coin is the crown/tiara like the 1952 one. Alpha and Omega, so to speak.Omega meaning last, of course!J.
From: "Paul Trevor Bale bale475@... []" <>
To:
Sent: Monday, 2 March 2015, 12:24
Subject: Re: Reburial
Panic over. My invitation from Leicester Cathedral arrived this morning, along with the request I bring a passport or Driver's licence along with me!
Doors open at 6p.m so I will make sure I am there on the dot to get a seat as close to the king as I can.
Am I lucky or what?
Paul

Re: Reburial

2015-03-03 08:29:24

RONALD COOKSLEY

OOps, sorry, sent in error! Meant to forward to a friend (also waiting for tickets and fearing offence!) who couldn't believe the Drivers Licence and Passport thingy when I told them.
Apologies,Ron.
From: RONALD COOKSLEY <greyfox.cooksley@...>
To: "" <>
Sent: Tuesday, 3 March 2015, 8:14
Subject: Re: Reburial
Here you are! The 'panic over' bit refers to the fact he thought they'd picked up on something he'd posted and black-balled him!
It's no use being there 'on the dot' ...there will be queues too presumably.
I think the only justification for a new coin is the crown/tiara like the 1952 one. Alpha and Omega, so to speak.Omega meaning last, of course!J.
From: "Paul Trevor Bale bale475@... []" <>
To:
Sent: Monday, 2 March 2015, 12:24
Subject: Re: [Richard III Society Forum] Reburial
Panic over. My invitation from Leicester Cathedral arrived this morning, along with the request I bring a passport or Driver's licence along with me! Doors open at 6p.m so I will make sure I am there on the dot to get a seat as close to the king as I can. Am I lucky or what? Paul

Re: Reburial

2015-03-03 08:53:32

Paul Trevor Bale

Panic meant it is getting really close and no invite had arrived. That was me panicking!
As for crowd, only 200 are allowed in so there would be no point anybody else waiting around. I hope. If all interested in seeing the coffin laid in the church are kicked out around 5 in order to prepare for the service then it should be good. Don't know yet but I may even stay inside the cathedral to await the service if allowed after visiting the king.
Paul

On 03/03/2015 08:14, RONALD COOKSLEY greyfox.cooksley@... [] wrote:
Here you are! The 'panic over' bit refers to the fact he thought they'd picked up on something he'd posted and black-balled him!
It's no use being there 'on the dot' ...there will be queues too presumably.
I think the only justification for a new coin is the crown/tiara like the 1952 one. Alpha and Omega, so to speak. Omega meaning last, of course! J.
From: "Paul Trevor Bale bale475@... []" <>
To:
Sent: Monday, 2 March 2015, 12:24
Subject: Re: Reburial
Panic over. My invitation from Leicester Cathedral arrived this morning, along with the request I bring a passport or Driver's licence along with me!
Doors open at 6p.m so I will make sure I am there on the dot to get a seat as close to the king as I can.
Am I lucky or what?
Paul

Re: Reburial

2015-03-03 09:21:57

RONALD COOKSLEY

Thanks, Paul! ...and good luck with being able to stay in cathedral after 5pm.Ron.
From: "Paul Trevor Bale bale475@... []" <>
To:
Sent: Tuesday, 3 March 2015, 8:53
Subject: Re: Reburial
Panic meant it is getting really close and no invite had arrived. That was me panicking!
As for crowd, only 200 are allowed in so there would be no point anybody else waiting around. I hope. If all interested in seeing the coffin laid in the church are kicked out around 5 in order to prepare for the service then it should be good. Don't know yet but I may even stay inside the cathedral to await the service if allowed after visiting the king.
Paul

On 03/03/2015 08:14, RONALD COOKSLEY greyfox.cooksley@... [] wrote:
Here you are! The 'panic over' bit refers to the fact he thought they'd picked up on something he'd posted and black-balled him!
It's no use being there 'on the dot' ...there will be queues too presumably.
I think the only justification for a new coin is the crown/tiara like the 1952 one. Alpha and Omega, so to speak. Omega meaning last, of course! J.
From: "Paul Trevor Bale bale475@... []" mailto:
To:
Sent: Monday, 2 March 2015, 12:24
Subject: Re: Reburial
Panic over. My invitation from Leicester Cathedral arrived this morning, along with the request I bring a passport or Driver's licence along with me! Doors open at 6p.m so I will make sure I am there on the dot to get a seat as close to the king as I can. Am I lucky or what? Paul

Re: Reburial

2015-03-03 11:17:08

Janjovian

I find it sends a shiver down my spine thinking about you actually being there to attend the burial ceremonies of King Richard III.
If anyone had suggested such a thing a few years ago we would have been aghast.
I think now it is actually here it will be very emotional for us all.
The enormity of what we have achieved will really hit us.

Jess xFrom: Paul Trevor Bale bale475@... []
Sent: 03/03/2015 08:53
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Subject: Re: Reburial

Re: Reburial

2015-03-03 12:06:38

Hilary Jones

I do agree and I wish you all the best Paul. In the end I didn't apply because he's just up the road from me and I can pop in anytime so it wasn't fair to even try to take up a ticket. But like Jan, what I find astounding is that he's been 'up the road' all of my life and I didn't know. I honestly thought he was probably in the Soar. I shall be watching on my big screen too. Try to drag me away from it! H
From: "Janjovian janjovian@... []" <>
To:
Sent: Tuesday, 3 March 2015, 11:16
Subject: RE: Reburial

I find it sends a shiver down my spine thinking about you actually being there to attend the burial ceremonies of King Richard III.
If anyone had suggested such a thing a few years ago we would have been aghast.
I think now it is actually here it will be very emotional for us all.
The enormity of what we have achieved will really hit us.

Jess x

From: Paul Trevor Bale bale475@... []
Sent: 03/03/2015 08:53
To:
Subject: Re: Reburial

Panic meant it is getting really close and no invite had arrived. That was me panicking!
As for crowd, only 200 are allowed in so there would be no point anybody else waiting around. I hope. If all interested in seeing the coffin laid in the church are kicked out around 5 in order to prepare for the service then it should be good. Don't know yet but I may even stay inside the cathedral to await the service if allowed after visiting the king.
Paul

On 03/03/2015 08:14, RONALD COOKSLEY greyfox.cooksley@... [] wrote:
Here you are! The 'panic over' bit refers to the fact he thought they'd picked up on something he'd posted and black-balled him!
It's no use being there 'on the dot' ...there will be queues too presumably.
I think the only justification for a new coin is the crown/tiara like the 1952 one. Alpha and Omega, so to speak. Omega meaning last, of course! J.
From: "Paul Trevor Bale bale475@... []" <>
To:
Sent: Monday, 2 March 2015, 12:24
Subject: Re: Reburial
Panic over. My invitation from Leicester Cathedral arrived this morning, along with the request I bring a passport or Driver's licence along with me!
Doors open at 6p.m so I will make sure I am there on the dot to get a seat as close to the king as I can.
Am I lucky or what?
Paul

Re: Reburial

2015-03-03 18:02:11

Paul Trevor Bale

How do you think I feel Jess? I have no idea how I will react being so close to him again.
And yes, we owe Philippa's doggedness and John's knowledge a huge debt.
Paul

On 03/03/2015 11:16, Janjovian janjovian@... [] wrote:
I find it sends a shiver down my spine thinking about you actually being there to attend the burial ceremonies of King Richard III.
If anyone had suggested such a thing a few years ago we would have been aghast.
I think now it is actually here it will be very emotional for us all.
The enormity of what we have achieved will really hit us.

Jess x From: Paul Trevor Bale bale475@... []
Sent: 03/03/2015 08:53
To:
Subject: Re: [Richard III Society Forum] Reburial

On 03/03/2015 08:14, RONALD COOKSLEY greyfox.cooksley@... [] wrote:
Here you are! The 'panic over' bit refers to the fact he thought they'd picked up on something he'd posted and black-balled him!
It's no use being there 'on the dot' ...there will be queues too presumably.
I think the only justification for a new coin is the crown/tiara like the 1952 one. Alpha and Omega, so to speak. Omega meaning last, of course! J.
From: "Paul Trevor Bale bale475@... []" <>
To:
Sent: Monday, 2 March 2015, 12:24
Subject: Re: Reburial
Panic over. My invitation from Leicester Cathedral arrived this morning, along with the request I bring a passport or Driver's licence along with me!
Doors open at 6p.m so I will make sure I am there on the dot to get a seat as close to the king as I can.
Am I lucky or what?
Paul

Re: Reburial

2015-03-03 18:24:45

Gilda Felt

I declined the invitation, and they were going to send it off to the next person on the list.
Gilda

On Mar 2, 2015, at 1:22 PM, mac.thirty@... [] wrote:

Does that mean you had to decline the invitation or that you could pass it to someone of your choice, Gilda?

Thanks for the clarification. Mac

Re: Reburial

2015-03-03 19:30:57

Judy Thomson

I so agree, Paul.
Judy Loyaulte me lie

On Tuesday, March 3, 2015 12:02 PM, "Paul Trevor Bale bale475@... []" <> wrote:

How do you think I feel Jess? I have no idea how I will react being so close to him again.
And yes, we owe Philippa's doggedness and John's knowledge a huge debt.
Paul

On 03/03/2015 11:16, Janjovian janjovian@... [] wrote:
I find it sends a shiver down my spine thinking about you actually being there to attend the burial ceremonies of King Richard III.
If anyone had suggested such a thing a few years ago we would have been aghast.
I think now it is actually here it will be very emotional for us all.
The enormity of what we have achieved will really hit us.

Jess x From: Paul Trevor Bale bale475@... []
Sent: 03/03/2015 08:53
To:
Subject: Re: [Richard III Society Forum] Reburial

Panic meant it is getting really close and no invite had arrived. That was me panicking!
As for crowd, only 200 are allowed in so there would be no point anybody else waiting around. I hope. If all interested in seeing the coffin laid in the church are kicked out around 5 in order to prepare for the service then it should be good. Don't know yet but I may even stay inside the cathedral to await the service if allowed after visiting the king.
Paul

On 03/03/2015 08:14, RONALD COOKSLEY greyfox.cooksley@... [] wrote:
Here you are! The 'panic over' bit refers to the fact he thought they'd picked up on something he'd posted and black-balled him!
It's no use being there 'on the dot' ...there will be queues too presumably.
I think the only justification for a new coin is the crown/tiara like the 1952 one. Alpha and Omega, so to speak. Omega meaning last, of course! J.
From: "Paul Trevor Bale bale475@... []" <>
To:
Sent: Monday, 2 March 2015, 12:24
Subject: Re: Reburial
Panic over. My invitation from Leicester Cathedral arrived this morning, along with the request I bring a passport or Driver's licence along with me!
Doors open at 6p.m so I will make sure I am there on the dot to get a seat as close to the king as I can.
Am I lucky or what?
Paul

Re: Reburial

2015-03-03 20:10:51

Pamela Bain

This is a tribute to RICHARD III, and also those who have studied, read, written, and persevered for so many years to actually fund and find the body, and now a procession "fitting" a King as well as possible. Many feel more could and should be done, but at least we have what we have. Paul, as our eyes and ears, we are waiting for reports!

On Mar 3, 2015, at 12:02 PM, Paul Trevor Bale bale475@... [] <> wrote:

How do you think I feel Jess? I have no idea how I will react being so close to him again.
And yes, we owe Philippa's doggedness and John's knowledge a huge debt.
Paul

On 03/03/2015 11:16, Janjovian janjovian@... [] wrote:
I find it sends a shiver down my spine thinking about you actually being there to attend the burial ceremonies of King Richard III.
If anyone had suggested such a thing a few years ago we would have been aghast.
I think now it is actually here it will be very emotional for us all.
The enormity of what we have achieved will really hit us.

Jess x From: Paul Trevor Bale bale475@... []
Sent: 03/03/2015 08:53
To:
Subject: Re: Reburial

Re: Reburial

2015-03-03 21:19:13

Paul Trevor Bale

Deal.
Paul

On 03/03/2015 20:10, Pamela Bain pbain@... [] wrote:
This is a tribute to RICHARD III, and also those who have studied, read, written, and persevered for so many years to actually fund and find the body, and now a procession "fitting" a King as well as possible. Many feel more could and should be done, but at least we have what we have. Paul, as our eyes and ears, we are waiting for reports!

On Mar 3, 2015, at 12:02 PM, Paul Trevor Bale bale475@... [] <> wrote:

How do you think I feel Jess? I have no idea how I will react being so close to him again.
And yes, we owe Philippa's doggedness and John's knowledge a huge debt.
Paul

Re: Reburial

2015-03-03 22:14:17

ricard1an

Pamela is right Paul you will be our ears and eyes and we know that you will give Richard the respect that he deserves. It is good to know that you will be there.
Mary

Re: Reburial

2015-03-04 09:41:20

Nance Crawford

How wonderful for you, Paul!
Nance Crawford, President
California Writers Club-San Fernando Valley Branch www.cwc-sfv.org
www.NanceCrawford.com

Reburial

2015-03-27 14:20:39

Gilda Elise

I've been getting info from so many places, so I'm not sure if I picked this up here. Anyway, you can download a Full Order of Service as a PDF from this site.
http://www.channel4.com/programmes/richard-iii-the-reburial?hootPostID=fcdf6e212d8729e27555c14f21ba9196
Gilda

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