Arthur Plantagenet/Dudley/Grey/Lisle

In a message dated 6/24/03 7:55:52 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
marie@... writes:


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> I've found a Lisle website with the following additional information:
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> 1. Arthur's wife, Elizabeth Grey of Lisle, was a widow when he
> married her. Her first husband, Edmund Dudley, was executed in 1510.
> According to this site, her marriage to Arthur Plantagenet took place
> on 12 November 1511. So Arthur would have been between 41 and 49
> according to the range of birthdates given by Hammond. This is very
> old for a first marriage, but is it possible that he too was a widow
> but there is no surviving documentation for the first marriage?
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> The site gives three daughters, Frances, Elizabeth and Bridget, but I
> think I'd want to check that these weren't the children of Elizabeth
> Grey's first marriage, to Dudley.
>


Hi, Marie!
My genealogical tables, FWIW, do show that these three were daughters of
Arthur Plantagenet and Elizabeth Grey: Bridget, born 1513, m. Wm. Carden (no
offspring shown), Elizabeth, born "about 1516," married Sir Francis Jobson and
later Thomas Monke; Frances, born "about 1519," married John Basset and had 3
children.

It shows that Elizabeth Grey's first marriage to Edmund Dudley produced 6
children,
including John Dudley, who married Jane/Joan Guildford, Duchess of
Northumberland. The latter two are shown to have had 14 children, including Guildford
Dudley (who married Lady Jane Grey) and Robert Dudley, so dear to Elizabeth I.


The Tudor scholars among us can confirm or deny that that Guildford and
Robert were brothers. Was someone asking about a connection to Charles Brandon,
grandfather to Lady Jane Grey, who married Mary, daughter of Elizabeth of York
and Henry VII, and who was briefly Queen of France?

Must go pack for my trip!

Cheers!
Pam

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wrote:
> In a message dated 6/24/03 7:55:52 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
> marie@r... writes:
>
>
> >
> >
> > I've found a Lisle website with the following additional
information:
> >
> > 1. Arthur's wife, Elizabeth Grey of Lisle, was a widow when he
> > married her. Her first husband, Edmund Dudley, was executed in
1510.
> > According to this site, her marriage to Arthur Plantagenet took
place
> > on 12 November 1511. So Arthur would have been between 41 and 49
> > according to the range of birthdates given by Hammond. This is
very
> > old for a first marriage, but is it possible that he too was a
widow
> > but there is no surviving documentation for the first marriage?
> >
> > The site gives three daughters, Frances, Elizabeth and Bridget,
but I
> > think I'd want to check that these weren't the children of
Elizabeth
> > Grey's first marriage, to Dudley.
> >
>
>
> Hi, Marie!
> My genealogical tables, FWIW, do show that these three were
daughters of
> Arthur Plantagenet and Elizabeth Grey: Bridget, born 1513, m. Wm.
Carden (no
> offspring shown), Elizabeth, born "about 1516," married Sir Francis
Jobson and
> later Thomas Monke; Frances, born "about 1519," married John Basset
and had 3
> children.
>
> It shows that Elizabeth Grey's first marriage to Edmund Dudley
produced 6
> children,
> including John Dudley, who married Jane/Joan Guildford, Duchess of
> Northumberland. The latter two are shown to have had 14 children,
including Guildford
> Dudley (who married Lady Jane Grey) and Robert Dudley, so dear to
Elizabeth I.
>
>
> The Tudor scholars among us can confirm or deny that that Guildford
and
> Robert were brothers. Was someone asking about a connection to
Charles Brandon,
> grandfather to Lady Jane Grey, who married Mary, daughter of
Elizabeth of York
> and Henry VII, and who was briefly Queen of France?
>
> Must go pack for my trip!
>
> Cheers!
> Pam

I'm the one who was asking about Chares Brandon, whom I incorrectly
thought had some connection to Lord Lisle's wife. Thanks for
clearing it up.

Kay
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