Richard's Children

I hope this haven't been mentioned before but I have a couple of
questions about two of Richard's children.

His daughter Katherine (d. 1491) married William Herbert, Earl of
Huntingdon. Did they have any children and, if so, do they have any
descendants?

Is there any basis to the story of Richard being the father of the
poet Stephen Hawes (c. 1474 - c. 1523) or was that just some
novelist's fantasy?

Hoping some people can help me.

--- In , sweethelly2003
<no_reply@y...> wrote:
> I hope this haven't been mentioned before but I have a couple of
> questions about two of Richard's children.
>
> His daughter Katherine (d. 1491) married William Herbert, Earl of
> Huntingdon. Did they have any children and, if so, do they have any
> descendants?
>
> Is there any basis to the story of Richard being the father of the
> poet Stephen Hawes (c. 1474 - c. 1523) or was that just some
> novelist's fantasy?
>
> Hoping some people can help me.

The only info I can find at the moment is the following, from an
article by Peter Hammond again, in a 1979 Ricardian. I know there's
been more written on the subject since.
Firstly, it was Huntingdon himself who died in 1491, not Katherine.
There is no surviving record of Katherine's death. The last evidence
she was still alive comes on 8 March 1485 when Richard granted the
pair an annuity.
Huntingdon was described as a widower at the coronation of Elizabeth
of York. He did not remarry. His heir was his daughter by his first
wife, so he and Katherine cannot have had any surviving children.

I seem to recall that the Stephen Hawes story doesn't have any basis,
but can't find anything on it at present.

Basically, it seems that Richard has no descendants.

Marie

>
> Basically, it seems that Richard has no descendants.
>
> Marie

Hi. In saying that, I forgot the Anne Hopper story.

Thank you to Marie for your reply.

Maybe I should know it but what is the Anne Hopper story?

--- In , sweethelly2003
<no_reply@y...> wrote:
> Thank you to Marie for your reply.
>
> Maybe I should know it but what is the Anne Hopper story?

Hoped you wouldn't ask that. Now had to scurry back for another
ancient Ricardian (other than myself I mean). This from No 74 (1981),
research note from Audrey Cartwright. Basically, the 19th C
architect Thomas Hopper had a medieval ring passed down in the family
with the following story.
The tradition says that the Hoppers are descended from a natural
daughter of Richard III by a lady the King brought with him from
Edinburgh to Dover. Apparently Richard was Constable of Dover Castle
1481-3, so that fits. This daughter, Anne, married a wealthy yeoman
by the name of Hopper possessing property near Canterbury. The same
tradition says that this lady also had a son by Richard, and that son
was Richard Plantagenet of Eastwell.
Apparently Vera Legg has confirmed that the surname Hopper occurred
frequently in the Canterbury Archdeaconry Court Wills from 1449
onwards, and a John Hopper operated a Hopper's Mill near Canterbury
1547-85.
At the time this was written the ring was apparently in a private
museum in Eyam, Derbyshire.

I personally find it interesting that the story of Richard's
illegitimate children keeps coming up with Kent connections.
Katherine's mother seems now to be identified as Katherine Haute, and
the Hautes were a Kent family. I tend to think that the Richard
Plantagenet buried at Eastwell is likely to have been Richard's son
(who else's?), but a lot younger than stated in the story. This would
explain how he was still fit enough to work on the building of
Eastwell, and also why richard didn't recognise him. It would also
fit in better with RP being the brother of Anne Hopper. In fact, I
wonder if Katherine Haute might not have been the mother of all
three.

To Marie, Thanks you again. No more questions, well not until next
time!

Though I've been interested in Richard 111 since I was a child it did
laid dormant for awhile and it's only a few months ago I became again
more active again. It was only earlier this year that I joined the
Richard 111 Society (Victorian Branch - Australia)so I don't have
those back issues of the Ricardian to look into.

I will have to reread some of the biographies and histories that I
have.

Helen