Please delete my email address from your list and cancel my membersh

Please delete my email address from your files and cancel my membership.

you'll probably have to contact the membership chair for the organisation
you joined - UK/ American??...

On 9 February 2013 15:50, N SMART <n.smart777@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Please delete my email address from your files and cancel my membership.
>
>
>
>
>



--
Lisa
The Antiques Boutique & Ceramic Restoration/Conservation Services
Baddeck, Nova Scotia.
Tel: 902 295 9013 / 1329

www.Antiques-Boutique.com <http://www.antiques-boutique.com/>
Like us on *www.facebook.com/TheAntiquesBoutique*
View our Ceramic Restoration Photos
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I think he means the Forum.
Neil, this one wants to be executed;)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lisa @ The Antiques Boutique" <lisa.holtjones@...>
To: <>
Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 7:52 PM
Subject: Re: Please delete my email address from
your list and cancel my membership.


> you'll probably have to contact the membership chair for the organisation
> you joined - UK/ American??...
>
> On 9 February 2013 15:50, N SMART <n.smart777@...> wrote:
>
>> **
>>
>>
>> Please delete my email address from your files and cancel my membership.
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Lisa
> The Antiques Boutique & Ceramic Restoration/Conservation Services
> Baddeck, Nova Scotia.
> Tel: 902 295 9013 / 1329
>
> www.Antiques-Boutique.com <http://www.antiques-boutique.com/>
> Like us on *www.facebook.com/TheAntiquesBoutique*
> View our Ceramic Restoration Photos
> <https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.398988066799604.100100.108554399176307&type=1&l=cd560aff9f>
>
>
>
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I have removed the member,np

Regards,

Neil



On 9 Feb 2013, at 20:22, "Stephen Lark" <stephenmlark@...> wrote:

> I think he means the Forum.
> Neil, this one wants to be executed;)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lisa @ The Antiques Boutique" lisa.holtjones@...>
> To: >
> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 7:52 PM
> Subject: Re: Please delete my email address from
> your list and cancel my membership.
>
> > you'll probably have to contact the membership chair for the organisation
> > you joined - UK/ American??...
> >
> > On 9 February 2013 15:50, N SMART n.smart777@...> wrote:
> >
> >> **
> >>
> >>
> >> Please delete my email address from your files and cancel my membership.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Lisa
> > The Antiques Boutique & Ceramic Restoration/Conservation Services
> > Baddeck, Nova Scotia.
> > Tel: 902 295 9013 / 1329
> >
> > www.Antiques-Boutique.com http://www.antiques-boutique.com/>
> > Like us on *www.facebook.com/TheAntiquesBoutique*
> > View our Ceramic Restoration Photos
> > https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.398988066799604.100100.108554399176307&type=1&l=cd560aff9f>
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
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>

I'm just wondering why someone would want to leave now - fear that Richard will become too popular?



________________________________
From: Stephen Lark <stephenmlark@...>
To:
Sent: Saturday, 9 February 2013, 20:22
Subject: Re: Please delete my email address from your list and cancel my membership.

 
I think he means the Forum.
Neil, this one wants to be executed;)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lisa @ The Antiques Boutique" mailto:lisa.holtjones%40googlemail.com>
To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 7:52 PM
Subject: Re: Please delete my email address from
your list and cancel my membership.

> you'll probably have to contact the membership chair for the organisation
> you joined - UK/ American??...
>
> On 9 February 2013 15:50, N SMART mailto:n.smart777%40btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>> **
>>
>>
>> Please delete my email address from your files and cancel my membership.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Lisa
> The Antiques Boutique & Ceramic Restoration/Conservation Services
> Baddeck, Nova Scotia.
> Tel: 902 295 9013 / 1329
>
> www.Antiques-Boutique.com http://www.antiques-boutique.com/>
> Like us on *www.facebook.com/TheAntiquesBoutique*
> View our Ceramic Restoration Photos
> https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.398988066799604.100100.108554399176307&type=1&l=cd560aff9f>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Do it yourself!

Ishita Bandyo
www.ishitabandyo.com
www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com

On Feb 9, 2013, at 2:50 PM, N SMART <n.smart777@...> wrote:

> Please delete my email address from your files and cancel my membership.
>
>
>
>

Maybe the Ouija board got to him/her! People have no sense of humor any more!

Ishita Bandyo
www.ishitabandyo.com
www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com

On Feb 9, 2013, at 3:48 PM, liz williams <ferrymansdaughter@...> wrote:

> I'm just wondering why someone would want to leave now - fear that Richard will become too popular?
>
> ________________________________
> From: Stephen Lark stephenmlark@...>
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, 9 February 2013, 20:22
> Subject: Re: Please delete my email address from your list and cancel my membership.
>
>
> I think he means the Forum.
> Neil, this one wants to be executed;)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lisa @ The Antiques Boutique" mailto:lisa.holtjones%40googlemail.com>
> To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 7:52 PM
> Subject: Re: Please delete my email address from
> your list and cancel my membership.
>
> > you'll probably have to contact the membership chair for the organisation
> > you joined - UK/ American??...
> >
> > On 9 February 2013 15:50, N SMART mailto:n.smart777%40btinternet.com> wrote:
> >
> >> **
> >>
> >>
> >> Please delete my email address from your files and cancel my membership.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Lisa
> > The Antiques Boutique & Ceramic Restoration/Conservation Services
> > Baddeck, Nova Scotia.
> > Tel: 902 295 9013 / 1329
> >
> > www.Antiques-Boutique.com http://www.antiques-boutique.com/>
> > Like us on *www.facebook.com/TheAntiquesBoutique*
> > View our Ceramic Restoration Photos
> > https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.398988066799604.100100.108554399176307&type=1&l=cd560aff9f>
> >
> >
> >
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> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
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They could do a reconstruction of Henry VII's mug, but the resulting mass nausea would constitute a public health crisis.

(That was looksist. I apologize.)

--- In , liz williams wrote:
>
> I'm just wondering why someone would want to leave now - fear that Richard will become too popular?
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Stephen Lark
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, 9 February 2013, 20:22
> Subject: Re: Please delete my email address from your list and cancel my membership.
>
>  
> I think he means the Forum.
> Neil, this one wants to be executed;)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lisa @ The Antiques Boutique" mailto:lisa.holtjones%40googlemail.com>
> To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 7:52 PM
> Subject: Re: Please delete my email address from
> your list and cancel my membership.
>
> > you'll probably have to contact the membership chair for the organisation
> > you joined - UK/ American??...
> >
> > On 9 February 2013 15:50, N SMART mailto:n.smart777%40btinternet.com> wrote:
> >
> >> **
> >>
> >>
> >> Please delete my email address from your files and cancel my membership.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Lisa
> > The Antiques Boutique & Ceramic Restoration/Conservation Services
> > Baddeck, Nova Scotia.
> > Tel: 902 295 9013 / 1329
> >
> > www.Antiques-Boutique.com http://www.antiques-boutique.com/>
> > Like us on *www.facebook.com/TheAntiquesBoutique*
> > View our Ceramic Restoration Photos
> > https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.398988066799604.100100.108554399176307&type=1&l=cd560aff9f>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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>
>

That's funny!

--- In , "mcjohn_wt_net" wrote:
>
> They could do a reconstruction of Henry VII's mug, but the resulting mass nausea would constitute a public health crisis.
>
> (That was looksist. I apologize.)
>
> --- In , liz williams wrote:
> >
> > I'm just wondering why someone would want to leave now - fear that Richard will become too popular?
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Stephen Lark
> > To:
> > Sent: Saturday, 9 February 2013, 20:22
> > Subject: Re: Please delete my email address from your list and cancel my membership.
> >
> >  
> > I think he means the Forum.
> > Neil, this one wants to be executed;)
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Lisa @ The Antiques Boutique" mailto:lisa.holtjones%40googlemail.com>
> > To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 7:52 PM
> > Subject: Re: Please delete my email address from
> > your list and cancel my membership.
> >
> > > you'll probably have to contact the membership chair for the organisation
> > > you joined - UK/ American??...
> > >
> > > On 9 February 2013 15:50, N SMART mailto:n.smart777%40btinternet.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> **
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Please delete my email address from your files and cancel my membership.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Lisa
> > > The Antiques Boutique & Ceramic Restoration/Conservation Services
> > > Baddeck, Nova Scotia.
> > > Tel: 902 295 9013 / 1329
> > >
> > > www.Antiques-Boutique.com http://www.antiques-boutique.com/>
> > > Like us on *www.facebook.com/TheAntiquesBoutique*
> > > View our Ceramic Restoration Photos
> > > https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.398988066799604.100100.108554399176307&type=1&l=cd560aff9f>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > > ------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

........ or make dartboards with his image.

----- Original Message -----
From: mairemulholland
To:
Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 9:47 PM
Subject: Re: Please delete my email address from your list and cancel my membership.



That's funny!

--- In , "mcjohn_wt_net" wrote:
>
> They could do a reconstruction of Henry VII's mug, but the resulting mass nausea would constitute a public health crisis.
>
> (That was looksist. I apologize.)
>
> --- In , liz williams wrote:
> >
> > I'm just wondering why someone would want to leave now - fear that Richard will become too popular?
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Stephen Lark
> > To:
> > Sent: Saturday, 9 February 2013, 20:22
> > Subject: Re: Please delete my email address from your list and cancel my membership.
> >
> > Â
> > I think he means the Forum.
> > Neil, this one wants to be executed;)
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Lisa @ The Antiques Boutique" mailto:lisa.holtjones%40googlemail.com>
> > To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 7:52 PM
> > Subject: Re: Please delete my email address from
> > your list and cancel my membership.
> >
> > > you'll probably have to contact the membership chair for the organisation
> > > you joined - UK/ American??...
> > >
> > > On 9 February 2013 15:50, N SMART mailto:n.smart777%40btinternet.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> **
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Please delete my email address from your files and cancel my membership.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Lisa
> > > The Antiques Boutique & Ceramic Restoration/Conservation Services
> > > Baddeck, Nova Scotia.
> > > Tel: 902 295 9013 / 1329
> > >
> > > www.Antiques-Boutique.com http://www.antiques-boutique.com/>
> > > Like us on *www.facebook.com/TheAntiquesBoutique*
> > > View our Ceramic Restoration Photos
> > > https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.398988066799604.100100.108554399176307&type=1&l=cd560aff9f>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

Well they couldnt show him smiling...his teeth were few, poor and blackish"...as Phil Stone timely reminded me in the Richardian Bulletin Extra I received today..Eileen

--- In , "mcjohn_wt_net" wrote:
>
> They could do a reconstruction of Henry VII's mug, but the resulting mass nausea would constitute a public health crisis.
>
> (That was looksist. I apologize.)
>
> --- In , liz williams wrote:
> >
> > I'm just wondering why someone would want to leave now - fear that Richard will become too popular?
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Stephen Lark
> > To:
> > Sent: Saturday, 9 February 2013, 20:22
> > Subject: Re: Please delete my email address from your list and cancel my membership.
> >
> >  
> > I think he means the Forum.
> > Neil, this one wants to be executed;)
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Lisa @ The Antiques Boutique" mailto:lisa.holtjones%40googlemail.com>
> > To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 7:52 PM
> > Subject: Re: Please delete my email address from
> > your list and cancel my membership.
> >
> > > you'll probably have to contact the membership chair for the organisation
> > > you joined - UK/ American??...
> > >
> > > On 9 February 2013 15:50, N SMART mailto:n.smart777%40btinternet.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> **
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Please delete my email address from your files and cancel my membership.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Lisa
> > > The Antiques Boutique & Ceramic Restoration/Conservation Services
> > > Baddeck, Nova Scotia.
> > > Tel: 902 295 9013 / 1329
> > >
> > > www.Antiques-Boutique.com http://www.antiques-boutique.com/>
> > > Like us on *www.facebook.com/TheAntiquesBoutique*
> > > View our Ceramic Restoration Photos
> > > https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.398988066799604.100100.108554399176307&type=1&l=cd560aff9f>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

But why are Richard's teeth in such good condition? Is it the sugar thing?

Poor Bess, married to a man with black teeth and a tight wallet...

--- In , "EileenB" wrote:
>
> Well they couldnt show him smiling...his teeth were few, poor and blackish"...as Phil Stone timely reminded me in the Richardian Bulletin Extra I received today..Eileen
>
> --- In , "mcjohn_wt_net" wrote:
> >
> > They could do a reconstruction of Henry VII's mug, but the resulting mass nausea would constitute a public health crisis.
> >
> > (That was looksist. I apologize.)
> >
> > --- In , liz williams wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm just wondering why someone would want to leave now - fear that Richard will become too popular?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: Stephen Lark
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Saturday, 9 February 2013, 20:22
> > > Subject: Re: Please delete my email address from your list and cancel my membership.
> > >
> > >  
> > > I think he means the Forum.
> > > Neil, this one wants to be executed;)
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Lisa @ The Antiques Boutique" mailto:lisa.holtjones%40googlemail.com>
> > > To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 7:52 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Please delete my email address from
> > > your list and cancel my membership.
> > >
> > > > you'll probably have to contact the membership chair for the organisation
> > > > you joined - UK/ American??...
> > > >
> > > > On 9 February 2013 15:50, N SMART mailto:n.smart777%40btinternet.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> **
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Please delete my email address from your files and cancel my membership.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Lisa
> > > > The Antiques Boutique & Ceramic Restoration/Conservation Services
> > > > Baddeck, Nova Scotia.
> > > > Tel: 902 295 9013 / 1329
> > > >
> > > > www.Antiques-Boutique.com http://www.antiques-boutique.com/>
> > > > Like us on *www.facebook.com/TheAntiquesBoutique*
> > > > View our Ceramic Restoration Photos
> > > > https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.398988066799604.100100.108554399176307&type=1&l=cd560aff9f>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

Good god! How do we know about H7's teeth?

Ishita Bandyo
www.ishitabandyo.com
www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com

On Feb 9, 2013, at 5:28 PM, "mairemulholland" <mairemulholland@...> wrote:

> But why are Richard's teeth in such good condition? Is it the sugar thing?
>
> Poor Bess, married to a man with black teeth and a tight wallet...
>
> --- In , "EileenB" wrote:
> >
> > Well they couldnt show him smiling...his teeth were few, poor and blackish"...as Phil Stone timely reminded me in the Richardian Bulletin Extra I received today..Eileen
> >
> > --- In , "mcjohn_wt_net" wrote:
> > >
> > > They could do a reconstruction of Henry VII's mug, but the resulting mass nausea would constitute a public health crisis.
> > >
> > > (That was looksist. I apologize.)
> > >
> > > --- In , liz williams wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I'm just wondering why someone would want to leave now - fear that Richard will become too popular?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________
> > > > From: Stephen Lark
> > > > To:
> > > > Sent: Saturday, 9 February 2013, 20:22
> > > > Subject: Re: Please delete my email address from your list and cancel my membership.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I think he means the Forum.
> > > > Neil, this one wants to be executed;)
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Lisa @ The Antiques Boutique" mailto:lisa.holtjones%40googlemail.com>
> > > > To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 7:52 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: Please delete my email address from
> > > > your list and cancel my membership.
> > > >
> > > > > you'll probably have to contact the membership chair for the organisation
> > > > > you joined - UK/ American??...
> > > > >
> > > > > On 9 February 2013 15:50, N SMART mailto:n.smart777%40btinternet.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> **
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Please delete my email address from your files and cancel my membership.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Lisa
> > > > > The Antiques Boutique & Ceramic Restoration/Conservation Services
> > > > > Baddeck, Nova Scotia.
> > > > > Tel: 902 295 9013 / 1329
> > > > >
> > > > > www.Antiques-Boutique.com http://www.antiques-boutique.com/>
> > > > > Like us on *www.facebook.com/TheAntiquesBoutique*
> > > > > View our Ceramic Restoration Photos
> > > > > https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.398988066799604.100100.108554399176307&type=1&l=cd560aff9f>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ------------------------------------
> > > > >
> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>

Good old Vergil.
Marie

--- In , Ishita Bandyo wrote:
>
> Good god! How do we know about H7's teeth?
>
> Ishita Bandyo
> www.ishitabandyo.com
> www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
> www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
>
> On Feb 9, 2013, at 5:28 PM, "mairemulholland" wrote:
>
> > But why are Richard's teeth in such good condition? Is it the sugar thing?
> >
> > Poor Bess, married to a man with black teeth and a tight wallet...
> >
> > --- In , "EileenB" wrote:
> > >
> > > Well they couldnt show him smiling...his teeth were few, poor and blackish"...as Phil Stone timely reminded me in the Richardian Bulletin Extra I received today..Eileen
> > >
> > > --- In , "mcjohn_wt_net" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > They could do a reconstruction of Henry VII's mug, but the resulting mass nausea would constitute a public health crisis.
> > > >
> > > > (That was looksist. I apologize.)
> > > >
> > > > --- In , liz williams wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm just wondering why someone would want to leave now - fear that Richard will become too popular?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > From: Stephen Lark
> > > > > To:
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, 9 February 2013, 20:22
> > > > > Subject: Re: Please delete my email address from your list and cancel my membership.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I think he means the Forum.
> > > > > Neil, this one wants to be executed;)
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Lisa @ The Antiques Boutique" mailto:lisa.holtjones%40googlemail.com>
> > > > > To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 7:52 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: Please delete my email address from
> > > > > your list and cancel my membership.
> > > > >
> > > > > > you'll probably have to contact the membership chair for the organisation
> > > > > > you joined - UK/ American??...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 9 February 2013 15:50, N SMART mailto:n.smart777%40btinternet.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> **
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Please delete my email address from your files and cancel my membership.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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I think it's the sugar thing, as well as a visual contrast thing. A friend of
mine who's in forensic archaeology said this about the state of Richard's teeth:

"On the one hand teeth archaeological remains often have much nicer teeth than
what we'd expect from a modern standpoint, but you have to remember that people
in these contexts had diets very different than we do, meaning our teeth face
different types of wear and tear. I have no background in medieval European
archaeology so I won't speak to that, but in North America, for example, you can
tell when domesticated corn was incorperated into the diets of many Native
American populations because there's a dramatic, population-wide deterioration
in the health of their teeth (especially in regards to the number of cavities,
which go up because of all the sugars in corn).
But look at some other, larger photos of this skull and you can see that the
teeth are still pretty rough. Look at how flat the teeth are wornthat's from
chewing a very rough diet. Stone-ground flour/meal is particularly rough on the
teeth, as in addition to the larger grains there's often fine bits of
grit/stone/sand mixed in from the milling process that over time really wears
down on your teeth. The wear is especially prominent on his upper canines,
where in the first photo you can kind of see a smaller, darker ring of material
on what would have been the cusp. That might be exposed dentin, meaning he's
worn right through the hard enamel and into the soft tissues of his teeth.
That's not good at all. Say hello to infection and eventual tooth death.
Also take note of all the dark crud at the base of his teeth. That's all the
stuff encrusted at his gum line. There also appears to be some tooth loss: not
the top left central incisor, which looks more like post-mortem loss (it's
pretty rare to find a skull with all the teeth they had at death, since the soft
tissue ligaments holding the tooth into the socket also decays), but there looks
like there's bone absorption around where his bottom second and third molars
should be on the left side (pressuming that his third molars erupted). That
takes time, so he lost those teeth well before his death.
Long story short: they look nice because they're mostly white, which is a
reasonable thing to see given that a.) they're contrasted against very brown
bone, enhancing the effect and b.) the medieval dieteven a rich one fit for
royaltyfalls far short of our own when it comes to enamel-staining food, drink,
and other vices like smoking."

So his teeth were about average for the time, and definitely not black a la
Henry's, but not particularly great, either.


________________________________
From: mairemulholland <mairemulholland@...>
To:
Sent: Sat, February 9, 2013 5:29:02 PM
Subject: Re: Please delete my email address from
your list and cancel my membership.


But why are Richard's teeth in such good condition? Is it the sugar thing?

Poor Bess, married to a man with black teeth and a tight wallet...

--- In , "EileenB" wrote:
>
> Well they couldnt show him smiling...his teeth were few, poor and
>blackish"...as Phil Stone timely reminded me in the Richardian Bulletin Extra I
>received today..Eileen
>
> --- In , "mcjohn_wt_net" wrote:
> >
> > They could do a reconstruction of Henry VII's mug, but the resulting mass
>nausea would constitute a public health crisis.
> >
> > (That was looksist. I apologize.)
> >
> > --- In , liz williams wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm just wondering why someone would want to leave now - fear that Richard
>will become too popular?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: Stephen Lark
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Saturday, 9 February 2013, 20:22
> > > Subject: Re: Please delete my email address
>from your list and cancel my membership.
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> > > Â
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> > > Neil, this one wants to be executed;)
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>mailto:lisa.holtjones%40googlemail.com>
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Wow! What an amazing post. All I could concentrate on was that the man had no fillings. Stupid, I know, but so different from the modern mouth. I did notice that the canines showed no sign of "sharpness" if you know what I mean.

Richard, didn't your mother teeth you to floss? Maire.

--- In , Megan Lerseth wrote:
>
> I think it's the sugar thing, as well as a visual contrast thing. A friend of
> mine who's in forensic archaeology said this about the state of Richard's teeth:
>
> "On the one hand teeth archaeological remains often have much nicer teeth than
> what we’d expect from a modern standpoint, but you have to remember that people
> in these contexts had diets very different than we do, meaning our teeth face
> different types of wear and tear. I have no background in medieval European
> archaeology so I won’t speak to that, but in North America, for example, you can
> tell when domesticated corn was incorperated into the diets of many Native
> American populations because there’s a dramatic, population-wide deterioration
> in the health of their teeth (especially in regards to the number of cavities,
> which go up because of all the sugars in corn).
> But look at some other, larger photos of this skull and you can see that the
> teeth are still pretty rough. Look at how flat the teeth are wornâ€"that’s from
> chewing a very rough diet. Stone-ground flour/meal is particularly rough on the
> teeth, as in addition to the larger grains there’s often fine bits of
> grit/stone/sand mixed in from the milling process that over time really wears
> down on your teeth. The wear is especially prominent on his upper canines,
> where in the first photo you can kind of see a smaller, darker ring of material
> on what would have been the cusp. That might be exposed dentin, meaning he’s
> worn right through the hard enamel and into the soft tissues of his teeth.
> That’s not good at all. Say hello to infection and eventual tooth death.
> Also take note of all the dark crud at the base of his teeth. That’s all the
> stuff encrusted at his gum line. There also appears to be some tooth loss: not
> the top left central incisor, which looks more like post-mortem loss (it’s
> pretty rare to find a skull with all the teeth they had at death, since the soft
> tissue ligaments holding the tooth into the socket also decays), but there looks
> like there’s bone absorption around where his bottom second and third molars
> should be on the left side (pressuming that his third molars erupted). That
> takes time, so he lost those teeth well before his death.
> Long story short: they look nice because they’re mostly white, which is a
> reasonable thing to see given that a.) they’re contrasted against very brown
> bone, enhancing the effect and b.) the medieval dietâ€"even a rich one fit for
> royaltyâ€"falls far short of our own when it comes to enamel-staining food, drink,
> and other vices like smoking."
>
> So his teeth were about average for the time, and definitely not black a la
> Henry's, but not particularly great, either.
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: mairemulholland
> To:
> Sent: Sat, February 9, 2013 5:29:02 PM
> Subject: Re: Please delete my email address from
> your list and cancel my membership.
>
>
> But why are Richard's teeth in such good condition? Is it the sugar thing?
>
> Poor Bess, married to a man with black teeth and a tight wallet...
>
> --- In , "EileenB" wrote:
> >
> > Well they couldnt show him smiling...his teeth were few, poor and
> >blackish"...as Phil Stone timely reminded me in the Richardian Bulletin Extra I
> >received today..Eileen
> >
> > --- In , "mcjohn_wt_net" wrote:
> > >
> > > They could do a reconstruction of Henry VII's mug, but the resulting mass
> >nausea would constitute a public health crisis.
> > >
> > > (That was looksist. I apologize.)
> > >
> > > --- In , liz williams wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I'm just wondering why someone would want to leave now - fear that Richard
> >will become too popular?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________
> > > > From: Stephen Lark
> > > > To:
> > > > Sent: Saturday, 9 February 2013, 20:22
> > > > Subject: Re: Please delete my email address
> >from your list and cancel my membership.
> > > >
> > > > Â
> > > > I think he means the Forum.
> > > > Neil, this one wants to be executed;)
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Lisa @ The Antiques Boutique"
> >mailto:lisa.holtjones%40googlemail.com>
> > > > To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 7:52 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: Please delete my email address
> >from
> >
> > > > your list and cancel my membership.
> > > >
> > > > > you'll probably have to contact the membership chair for the
> organisation
> > > > > you joined - UK/ American??...
> > > > >
> > > > > On 9 February 2013 15:50, N SMART mailto:n.smart777%40btinternet.com>
> >wrote:
> > > > >
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> membership.
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> > > > > Baddeck, Nova Scotia.
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A bit ironic, given how popular vampire!Richard is if you poke in the right
corners.

I feel like I read something about him losing those back teeth in battle when he
was still fairly young, but I can't for the life of me remember where. It was
probably at least seven or eight years ago, but it stuck in my head enough that
when they showed a picture of the skull earlier this week, it was another thing
that made me nod and go "Yes, that's him."





________________________________
From: mairemulholland <mairemulholland@...>
To:
Sent: Sat, February 9, 2013 7:35:37 PM
Subject: Re: Teeth


Wow! What an amazing post. All I could concentrate on was that the man had no
fillings. Stupid, I know, but so different from the modern mouth. I did notice
that the canines showed no sign of "sharpness" if you know what I mean.


Richard, didn't your mother teeth you to floss? Maire.

--- In , Megan Lerseth wrote:
>
> I think it's the sugar thing, as well as a visual contrast thing. A friend of
> mine who's in forensic archaeology said this about the state of Richard's
>teeth:
>
> "On the one hand teeth archaeological remains often have much nicer teeth than

> what weâ¬"d expect from a modern standpoint, but you have to remember that
>people
>
> in these contexts had diets very different than we do, meaning our teeth face
> different types of wear and tear. I have no background in medieval European
> archaeology so I wonâ¬"t speak to that, but in North America, for example, you
>can
>
> tell when domesticated corn was incorperated into the diets of many Native
> American populations because thereâ¬"s a dramatic, population-wide
>deterioration
>
> in the health of their teeth (especially in regards to the number of cavities,

> which go up because of all the sugars in corn).
> But look at some other, larger photos of this skull and you can see that the
> teeth are still pretty rough. Look at how flat the teeth are wornâ¬"thatâ¬"s
>from
>
> chewing a very rough diet. Stone-ground flour/meal is particularly rough on
>the
>
> teeth, as in addition to the larger grains thereâ¬"s often fine bits of
> grit/stone/sand mixed in from the milling process that over time really wears
> down on your teeth. The wear is especially prominent on his upper canines,
> where in the first photo you can kind of see a smaller, darker ring of material
>
> on what would have been the cusp. That might be exposed dentin, meaning heâ¬"s
>
> worn right through the hard enamel and into the soft tissues of his teeth.
> Thatâ¬"s not good at all. Say hello to infection and eventual tooth death.
> Also take note of all the dark crud at the base of his teeth. Thatâ¬"s all the
>
> stuff encrusted at his gum line. There also appears to be some tooth loss:
>not
>
> the top left central incisor, which looks more like post-mortem loss (itâ¬"s
> pretty rare to find a skull with all the teeth they had at death, since the
>soft
>
> tissue ligaments holding the tooth into the socket also decays), but there
>looks
>
> like thereâ¬"s bone absorption around where his bottom second and third molars

> should be on the left side (pressuming that his third molars erupted). That
> takes time, so he lost those teeth well before his death.
> Long story short: they look nice because theyâ¬"re mostly white, which is a
> reasonable thing to see given that a.) theyâ¬"re contrasted against very brown

> bone, enhancing the effect and b.) the medieval dietâ¬"even a rich one fit for

> royaltyâ¬"falls far short of our own when it comes to enamel-staining food,
>drink,
>
> and other vices like smoking."
>
> So his teeth were about average for the time, and definitely not black a la
> Henry's, but not particularly great, either.
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: mairemulholland
> To:
> Sent: Sat, February 9, 2013 5:29:02 PM
> Subject: Re: Please delete my email address from
> your list and cancel my membership.
>
>
> But why are Richard's teeth in such good condition? Is it the sugar thing?
>
> Poor Bess, married to a man with black teeth and a tight wallet...
>
> --- In , "EileenB" wrote:
> >
> > Well they couldnt show him smiling...his teeth were few, poor and
> >blackish"...as Phil Stone timely reminded me in the Richardian Bulletin Extra
>I
>
> >received today..Eileen
> >
> > --- In , "mcjohn_wt_net" wrote:
> > >
> > > They could do a reconstruction of Henry VII's mug, but the resulting mass
> >nausea would constitute a public health crisis.
> > >
> > > (That was looksist. I apologize.)
> > >
> > > --- In , liz williams wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I'm just wondering why someone would want to leave now - fear that
>Richard
>
> >will become too popular?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________
> > > > From: Stephen Lark
> > > > To:
> > > > Sent: Saturday, 9 February 2013, 20:22
> > > > Subject: Re: Please delete my email address
> >from your list and cancel my membership.
> > > >
> > > > Ã
> > > > I think he means the Forum.
> > > > Neil, this one wants to be executed;)
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Lisa @ The Antiques Boutique"
> >mailto:lisa.holtjones%40googlemail.com>
> > > > To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 7:52 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: Please delete my email address
> >from
> >
> > > > your list and cancel my membership.
> > > >
> > > > > you'll probably have to contact the membership chair for the
> organisation
> > > > > you joined - UK/ American??...
> > > > >
> > > > > On 9 February 2013 15:50, N SMART mailto:n.smart777%40btinternet.com>
> >wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> **
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> > > > >>
> > > > >> Please delete my email address from your files and cancel my
> membership.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
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> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Lisa
> > > > > The Antiques Boutique & Ceramic Restoration/Conservation Services
> > > > > Baddeck, Nova Scotia.
> > > > > Tel: 902 295 9013 / 1329
> > > > >
> > > > > www.Antiques-Boutique.com http://www.antiques-boutique.com/>
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Richard a vampire??? Where? How? Why?

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On Feb 9, 2013, at 7:40 PM, Megan Lerseth <megan_phntmgrl@...> wrote:

> A bit ironic, given how popular vampire!Richard is if you poke in the right
> corners.
>
> I feel like I read something about him losing those back teeth in battle when he
> was still fairly young, but I can't for the life of me remember where. It was
> probably at least seven or eight years ago, but it stuck in my head enough that
> when they showed a picture of the skull earlier this week, it was another thing
> that made me nod and go "Yes, that's him."
>
> ________________________________
> From: mairemulholland mairemulholland@...>
> To:
> Sent: Sat, February 9, 2013 7:35:37 PM
> Subject: Re: Teeth
>
> Wow! What an amazing post. All I could concentrate on was that the man had no
> fillings. Stupid, I know, but so different from the modern mouth. I did notice
> that the canines showed no sign of "sharpness" if you know what I mean.
>
> Richard, didn't your mother teeth you to floss? Maire.
>
> --- In , Megan Lerseth wrote:
> >
> > I think it's the sugar thing, as well as a visual contrast thing. A friend of
> > mine who's in forensic archaeology said this about the state of Richard's
> >teeth:
> >
> > "On the one hand teeth archaeological remains often have much nicer teeth than
>
> > what weâ¬"d expect from a modern standpoint, but you have to remember that
> >people
> >
> > in these contexts had diets very different than we do, meaning our teeth face
> > different types of wear and tear. I have no background in medieval European
> > archaeology so I wonâ¬"t speak to that, but in North America, for example, you
> >can
> >
> > tell when domesticated corn was incorperated into the diets of many Native
> > American populations because thereâ¬"s a dramatic, population-wide
> >deterioration
> >
> > in the health of their teeth (especially in regards to the number of cavities,
>
> > which go up because of all the sugars in corn).
> > But look at some other, larger photos of this skull and you can see that the
> > teeth are still pretty rough. Look at how flat the teeth are wornâ¬"thatâ¬"s
> >from
> >
> > chewing a very rough diet. Stone-ground flour/meal is particularly rough on
> >the
> >
> > teeth, as in addition to the larger grains thereâ¬"s often fine bits of
> > grit/stone/sand mixed in from the milling process that over time really wears
> > down on your teeth. The wear is especially prominent on his upper canines,
> > where in the first photo you can kind of see a smaller, darker ring of material
> >
> > on what would have been the cusp. That might be exposed dentin, meaning heâ¬"s
> >
> > worn right through the hard enamel and into the soft tissues of his teeth.
> > Thatâ¬"s not good at all. Say hello to infection and eventual tooth death.
> > Also take note of all the dark crud at the base of his teeth. Thatâ¬"s all the
> >
> > stuff encrusted at his gum line. There also appears to be some tooth loss:
> >not
> >
> > the top left central incisor, which looks more like post-mortem loss (itâ¬"s
> > pretty rare to find a skull with all the teeth they had at death, since the
> >soft
> >
> > tissue ligaments holding the tooth into the socket also decays), but there
> >looks
> >
> > like thereâ¬"s bone absorption around where his bottom second and third molars
>
> > should be on the left side (pressuming that his third molars erupted). That
> > takes time, so he lost those teeth well before his death.
> > Long story short: they look nice because theyâ¬"re mostly white, which is a
> > reasonable thing to see given that a.) theyâ¬"re contrasted against very brown
>
> > bone, enhancing the effect and b.) the medieval dietâ¬"even a rich one fit for
>
> > royaltyâ¬"falls far short of our own when it comes to enamel-staining food,
> >drink,
> >
> > and other vices like smoking."
> >
> > So his teeth were about average for the time, and definitely not black a la
> > Henry's, but not particularly great, either.
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: mairemulholland
> > To:
> > Sent: Sat, February 9, 2013 5:29:02 PM
> > Subject: Re: Please delete my email address from
> > your list and cancel my membership.
> >
> >
> > But why are Richard's teeth in such good condition? Is it the sugar thing?
> >
> > Poor Bess, married to a man with black teeth and a tight wallet...
> >
> > --- In , "EileenB" wrote:
> > >
> > > Well they couldnt show him smiling...his teeth were few, poor and
> > >blackish"...as Phil Stone timely reminded me in the Richardian Bulletin Extra
> >I
> >
> > >received today..Eileen
> > >
> > > --- In , "mcjohn_wt_net" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > They could do a reconstruction of Henry VII's mug, but the resulting mass
> > >nausea would constitute a public health crisis.
> > > >
> > > > (That was looksist. I apologize.)
> > > >
> > > > --- In , liz williams wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm just wondering why someone would want to leave now - fear that
> >Richard
> >
> > >will become too popular?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > From: Stephen Lark
> > > > > To:
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, 9 February 2013, 20:22
> > > > > Subject: Re: Please delete my email address
> > >from your list and cancel my membership.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ã
> > > > > I think he means the Forum.
> > > > > Neil, this one wants to be executed;)
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Lisa @ The Antiques Boutique"
> > >mailto:lisa.holtjones%40googlemail.com>
> > > > > To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 7:52 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: Please delete my email address
> > >from
> > >
> > > > > your list and cancel my membership.
> > > > >
> > > > > > you'll probably have to contact the membership chair for the
> > organisation
> > > > > > you joined - UK/ American??...
> > > > > >
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They said he ate a lot of fish. Maybe a seafood diet doesn't translate to a lot of sugar, but he had lost all but one of his molars, and the bone had filled in so it wasn't recent losses. I'm wondering if he ground his teeth and cracked the molars.

~Weds


--- In , "mairemulholland" wrote:
>
> But why are Richard's teeth in such good condition? Is it the sugar thing?
>

One of my favorite musicals (Tanz der Vampire) has a vampire in the ensemble
who's meant to be Richard (at least in Germany- in Hungary, Belgium, and Russia
they replaced him with Ludwig of Bavaria). This seems to be less of a
villainization tactic and more just picking a recognizable historical figure-
the lead vampire has a portrait of a vampiric Henry VIII and Elizabeth I among
his ancestors, and the same creepy crypt that Richard climbs out of also houses
vampire!Shakespeare, vampire!Christina of Sweden, vampire!Napoleon and a female
vampire who's sometimes identified as Anne Neville (she's dressed in clothes
from the same era and usually paired with the Richard vampire). They give him a
very mild hump, but he's always played by one of the leading dancers in the
ensemble (which means that in the finale, where all the costumes are
semi-modernized and changed to black leather, you get the interesting sight of a
humpbacked, vampire Richard III who's able to lift his leg before him at a 90
degree angle while bending backwards and then dropping into a split on the
floor).

I understand there's also a children's book pretending to be a 19th-century
vampire hunters' guide that pegs Richard as a vampire who ate his nephews and
who's still out there somewhere in hiding (it was a human decoy who died at
Bosworth). They seem to have taken a list of reputed historical villains and
thrown darts at the wall to pick them- apparently the Borgias weren't even
really a family, just a vampire coven.





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On Feb 9, 2013, at 7:40 PM, Megan Lerseth megan_phntmgrl@...> wrote:

> A bit ironic, given how popular vampire!Richard is if you poke in the right
> corners.
>
> I feel like I read something about him losing those back teeth in battle when
>he
>
> was still fairly young, but I can't for the life of me remember where. It was
> probably at least seven or eight years ago, but it stuck in my head enough that
>
> when they showed a picture of the skull earlier this week, it was another thing
>
> that made me nod and go "Yes, that's him."
>
> ________________________________
> From: mairemulholland mairemulholland@...>
> To:
> Sent: Sat, February 9, 2013 7:35:37 PM
> Subject: Re: Teeth
>
> Wow! What an amazing post. All I could concentrate on was that the man had no
> fillings. Stupid, I know, but so different from the modern mouth. I did notice

> that the canines showed no sign of "sharpness" if you know what I mean.
>
> Richard, didn't your mother teeth you to floss? Maire.
>
> --- In , Megan Lerseth wrote:
> >
> > I think it's the sugar thing, as well as a visual contrast thing. A friend of
>
> > mine who's in forensic archaeology said this about the state of Richard's
> >teeth:
> >
> > "On the one hand teeth archaeological remains often have much nicer teeth
>than
>
>
> > what weâ¬"d expect from a modern standpoint, but you have to remember that
> >people
> >
> > in these contexts had diets very different than we do, meaning our teeth face
>
> > different types of wear and tear. I have no background in medieval European
> > archaeology so I wonâ¬"t speak to that, but in North America, for example,
>you
>
> >can
> >
> > tell when domesticated corn was incorperated into the diets of many Native
> > American populations because thereâ¬"s a dramatic, population-wide
> >deterioration
> >
> > in the health of their teeth (especially in regards to the number of
>cavities,
>
>
> > which go up because of all the sugars in corn).
> > But look at some other, larger photos of this skull and you can see that the

> > teeth are still pretty rough. Look at how flat the teeth are wornâ¬"thatâ¬"s

> >from
> >
> > chewing a very rough diet. Stone-ground flour/meal is particularly rough on
> >the
> >
> > teeth, as in addition to the larger grains thereâ¬"s often fine bits of
> > grit/stone/sand mixed in from the milling process that over time really wears
>
> > down on your teeth. The wear is especially prominent on his upper canines,
> > where in the first photo you can kind of see a smaller, darker ring of
>material
>
> >
> > on what would have been the cusp. That might be exposed dentin, meaning
>heâ¬"s
>
> >
> > worn right through the hard enamel and into the soft tissues of his teeth.
> > Thatâ¬"s not good at all. Say hello to infection and eventual tooth death.
> > Also take note of all the dark crud at the base of his teeth. Thatâ¬"s all
>the
>
> >
> > stuff encrusted at his gum line. There also appears to be some tooth loss:
> >not
> >
> > the top left central incisor, which looks more like post-mortem loss (itâ¬"s

> > pretty rare to find a skull with all the teeth they had at death, since the
> >soft
> >
> > tissue ligaments holding the tooth into the socket also decays), but there
> >looks
> >
> > like thereâ¬"s bone absorption around where his bottom second and third
>molars
>
>
> > should be on the left side (pressuming that his third molars erupted). That
> > takes time, so he lost those teeth well before his death.
> > Long story short: they look nice because theyâ¬"re mostly white, which is a
> > reasonable thing to see given that a.) theyâ¬"re contrasted against very
>brown
>
>
> > bone, enhancing the effect and b.) the medieval dietâ¬"even a rich one fit
>for
>
>
> > royaltyâ¬"falls far short of our own when it comes to enamel-staining food,
> >drink,
> >
> > and other vices like smoking."
> >
> > So his teeth were about average for the time, and definitely not black a la
> > Henry's, but not particularly great, either.
> >
> >
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> > But why are Richard's teeth in such good condition? Is it the sugar thing?
> >
> > Poor Bess, married to a man with black teeth and a tight wallet...
> >
> > --- In , "EileenB" wrote:
> > >
> > > Well they couldnt show him smiling...his teeth were few, poor and
> > >blackish"...as Phil Stone timely reminded me in the Richardian Bulletin
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> > > --- In , "mcjohn_wt_net" wrote:
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> > > > They could do a reconstruction of Henry VII's mug, but the resulting mass
>
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> > > > (That was looksist. I apologize.)
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> > > > > I'm just wondering why someone would want to leave now - fear that
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> >
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Don't have too there is an extant Torrigiano bust apart from the Abbey
one taken from life.
Paul

On 09/02/2013 21:24, mcjohn_wt_net wrote:
> They could do a reconstruction of Henry VII's mug, but the resulting mass nausea would constitute a public health crisis.
>
> (That was looksist. I apologize.)
>
> --- In , liz williams wrote:
>> I'm just wondering why someone would want to leave now - fear that Richard will become too popular?
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Uurgh! Poor Elizabeth of York - fancy having to kiss that!
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Well they couldnt show him smiling...his teeth were few, poor and blackish"...as Phil Stone timely reminded me in the Richardian Bulletin Extra I received today..Eileen



--- In , "mcjohn_wt_net" wrote:

>

> They could do a reconstruction of Henry VII's mug, but the resulting mass nausea would constitute a public health crisis.

>

> (That was looksist. I apologize.)

>

> --- In , liz williams wrote:

> >

> > I'm just wondering why someone would want to leave now - fear that Richard will become too popular?

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: Stephen Lark

> > To:

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> > Subject: Re: Please delete my email address from your list and cancel my membership.

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> > I think he means the Forum.

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Perhaps she died before his teeth got really bad.  After all his teeth couldn't have been that bad when he was young, could they?
 
I always tend to forget that Henry was younger than Richard. 


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Uurgh! Poor Elizabeth of York - fancy having to kiss that!
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      Well they couldnt show him smiling...his teeth were few, poor and blackish"...as Phil Stone timely reminded me in the Richardian Bulletin Extra I received today..Eileen



--- In , "mcjohn_wt_net"  wrote:

>

> They could do a reconstruction of Henry VII's mug, but the resulting mass nausea would constitute a public health crisis.

>

> (That was looksist.  I apologize.)

>

> --- In , liz williams  wrote:

> >

> > I'm just wondering why someone would want to leave now - fear that Richard will become too popular?

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: Stephen Lark

> > To:

> > Sent: Saturday, 9 February 2013, 20:22

> > Subject: Re: Please delete my email address from your list and cancel my membership.

> >

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> > I think he means the Forum.

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> > ----- Original Message -----

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Oh, that's right--I was forgetting there already is a bust.

Well, no wonder London was devastated by plague in the 1660s.

--- In , Paul Trevor Bale wrote:
>
> Don't have too there is an extant Torrigiano bust apart from the Abbey
> one taken from life.
> Paul
>
> On 09/02/2013 21:24, mcjohn_wt_net wrote:
> > They could do a reconstruction of Henry VII's mug, but the resulting mass nausea would constitute a public health crisis.
> >
> > (That was looksist. I apologize.)
> >
> > --- In , liz williams wrote:
> >> I'm just wondering why someone would want to leave now - fear that Richard will become too popular?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: Stephen Lark
> >> To:
> >> Sent: Saturday, 9 February 2013, 20:22
> >> Subject: Re: Please delete my email address from your list and cancel my membership.
> >>
> >> Â
> >> I think he means the Forum.
> >> Neil, this one wants to be executed;)
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Lisa @ The Antiques Boutique" mailto:lisa.holtjones%40googlemail.com>
> >> To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> >> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 7:52 PM
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Much as I'd like to, I don't think we can blame the Tudors for that ...
 
 


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Oh, that's right--I was forgetting there already is a bust.

Well, no wonder London was devastated by plague in the 1660s.

--- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, Paul Trevor Bale wrote:
>
> Don't have too there is an extant Torrigiano bust apart from the Abbey
> one taken from life.
> Paul
>
> On 09/02/2013 21:24, mcjohn_wt_net wrote:
> > They could do a reconstruction of Henry VII's mug, but the resulting mass nausea would constitute a public health crisis.
> >
> > (That was looksist. I apologize.)
> >
> > --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, liz williams wrote:
> >> I'm just wondering why someone would want to leave now - fear that Richard will become too popular?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: Stephen Lark
> >> To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> >> Sent: Saturday, 9 February 2013, 20:22
> >> Subject: Re: Please delete my email address from your list and cancel my membership.
> >>
> >> Â
> >> I think he means the Forum.
> >> Neil, this one wants to be executed;)
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Lisa @ The Antiques Boutique" mailto:lisa.holtjones%40googlemail.com>
> >> To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> >> Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 7:52 PM
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Man, you know a lot about this stuff! My 21st century vampire knowledge ends with True Blood! Lol.

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On Feb 10, 2013, at 12:40 AM, Megan Lerseth <megan_phntmgrl@...> wrote:

> One of my favorite musicals (Tanz der Vampire) has a vampire in the ensemble
> who's meant to be Richard (at least in Germany- in Hungary, Belgium, and Russia
> they replaced him with Ludwig of Bavaria). This seems to be less of a
> villainization tactic and more just picking a recognizable historical figure-
> the lead vampire has a portrait of a vampiric Henry VIII and Elizabeth I among
> his ancestors, and the same creepy crypt that Richard climbs out of also houses
> vampire!Shakespeare, vampire!Christina of Sweden, vampire!Napoleon and a female
> vampire who's sometimes identified as Anne Neville (she's dressed in clothes
> from the same era and usually paired with the Richard vampire). They give him a
> very mild hump, but he's always played by one of the leading dancers in the
> ensemble (which means that in the finale, where all the costumes are
> semi-modernized and changed to black leather, you get the interesting sight of a
> humpbacked, vampire Richard III who's able to lift his leg before him at a 90
> degree angle while bending backwards and then dropping into a split on the
> floor).
>
> I understand there's also a children's book pretending to be a 19th-century
> vampire hunters' guide that pegs Richard as a vampire who ate his nephews and
> who's still out there somewhere in hiding (it was a human decoy who died at
> Bosworth). They seem to have taken a list of reputed historical villains and
> thrown darts at the wall to pick them- apparently the Borgias weren't even
> really a family, just a vampire coven.
>
> ________________________________
> From: Ishita Bandyo bandyoi@...>
> To: ""
> >
> Sent: Sat, February 9, 2013 9:11:11 PM
> Subject: Re: Re: Teeth
>
> Richard a vampire??? Where? How? Why?
>
> Ishita Bandyo
> www.ishitabandyo.com
> www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
> www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
>
> On Feb 9, 2013, at 7:40 PM, Megan Lerseth megan_phntmgrl@...> wrote:
>
> > A bit ironic, given how popular vampire!Richard is if you poke in the right
> > corners.
> >
> > I feel like I read something about him losing those back teeth in battle when
> >he
> >
> > was still fairly young, but I can't for the life of me remember where. It was
> > probably at least seven or eight years ago, but it stuck in my head enough that
> >
> > when they showed a picture of the skull earlier this week, it was another thing
> >
> > that made me nod and go "Yes, that's him."
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: mairemulholland mairemulholland@...>
> > To:
> > Sent: Sat, February 9, 2013 7:35:37 PM
> > Subject: Re: Teeth
> >
> > Wow! What an amazing post. All I could concentrate on was that the man had no
> > fillings. Stupid, I know, but so different from the modern mouth. I did notice
>
> > that the canines showed no sign of "sharpness" if you know what I mean.
> >
> > Richard, didn't your mother teeth you to floss? Maire.
> >
> > --- In , Megan Lerseth wrote:
> > >
> > > I think it's the sugar thing, as well as a visual contrast thing. A friend of
> >
> > > mine who's in forensic archaeology said this about the state of Richard's
> > >teeth:
> > >
> > > "On the one hand teeth archaeological remains often have much nicer teeth
> >than
> >
> >
> > > what weâ¬"d expect from a modern standpoint, but you have to remember that
> > >people
> > >
> > > in these contexts had diets very different than we do, meaning our teeth face
> >
> > > different types of wear and tear. I have no background in medieval European
> > > archaeology so I wonâ¬"t speak to that, but in North America, for example,
> >you
> >
> > >can
> > >
> > > tell when domesticated corn was incorperated into the diets of many Native
> > > American populations because thereâ¬"s a dramatic, population-wide
> > >deterioration
> > >
> > > in the health of their teeth (especially in regards to the number of
> >cavities,
> >
> >
> > > which go up because of all the sugars in corn).
> > > But look at some other, larger photos of this skull and you can see that the
>
> > > teeth are still pretty rough. Look at how flat the teeth are wornâ¬"thatâ¬"s
>
> > >from
> > >
> > > chewing a very rough diet. Stone-ground flour/meal is particularly rough on
> > >the
> > >
> > > teeth, as in addition to the larger grains thereâ¬"s often fine bits of
> > > grit/stone/sand mixed in from the milling process that over time really wears
> >
> > > down on your teeth. The wear is especially prominent on his upper canines,
> > > where in the first photo you can kind of see a smaller, darker ring of
> >material
> >
> > >
> > > on what would have been the cusp. That might be exposed dentin, meaning
> >heâ¬"s
> >
> > >
> > > worn right through the hard enamel and into the soft tissues of his teeth.
> > > Thatâ¬"s not good at all. Say hello to infection and eventual tooth death.
> > > Also take note of all the dark crud at the base of his teeth. Thatâ¬"s all
> >the
> >
> > >
> > > stuff encrusted at his gum line. There also appears to be some tooth loss:
> > >not
> > >
> > > the top left central incisor, which looks more like post-mortem loss (itâ¬"s
>
> > > pretty rare to find a skull with all the teeth they had at death, since the
> > >soft
> > >
> > > tissue ligaments holding the tooth into the socket also decays), but there
> > >looks
> > >
> > > like thereâ¬"s bone absorption around where his bottom second and third
> >molars
> >
> >
> > > should be on the left side (pressuming that his third molars erupted). That
> > > takes time, so he lost those teeth well before his death.
> > > Long story short: they look nice because theyâ¬"re mostly white, which is a
> > > reasonable thing to see given that a.) theyâ¬"re contrasted against very
> >brown
> >
> >
> > > bone, enhancing the effect and b.) the medieval dietâ¬"even a rich one fit
> >for
> >
> >
> > > royaltyâ¬"falls far short of our own when it comes to enamel-staining food,
> > >drink,
> > >
> > > and other vices like smoking."
> > >
> > > So his teeth were about average for the time, and definitely not black a la
> > > Henry's, but not particularly great, either.
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: mairemulholland
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Sat, February 9, 2013 5:29:02 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Please delete my email address from
>
> > > your list and cancel my membership.
> > >
> > >
> > > But why are Richard's teeth in such good condition? Is it the sugar thing?
> > >
> > > Poor Bess, married to a man with black teeth and a tight wallet...
> > >
> > > --- In , "EileenB" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Well they couldnt show him smiling...his teeth were few, poor and
> > > >blackish"...as Phil Stone timely reminded me in the Richardian Bulletin
> >Extra
> >
> > >I
> > >
> > > >received today..Eileen
> > > >
> > > > --- In , "mcjohn_wt_net" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > They could do a reconstruction of Henry VII's mug, but the resulting mass
> >
> > > >nausea would constitute a public health crisis.
> > > > >
> > > > > (That was looksist. I apologize.)
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In , liz williams wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm just wondering why someone would want to leave now - fear that
> > >Richard
> > >
> > > >will become too popular?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > > From: Stephen Lark
> > > > > > To:
> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, 9 February 2013, 20:22
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Please delete my email address
> >
> > > >from your list and cancel my membership.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ã
> > > > > > I think he means the Forum.
> > > > > > Neil, this one wants to be executed;)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Lisa @ The Antiques Boutique"
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Vampire or no, I really love the costume they gave him:

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lmyyiuIyHC1qeeuteo1_400.jpg





________________________________
From: Ishita Bandyo <bandyoi@...>
To: ""
<>
Sent: Sun, February 10, 2013 11:45:17 AM
Subject: Re: Re: Teeth


Man, you know a lot about this stuff! My 21st century vampire knowledge ends
with True Blood! Lol.

Ishita Bandyo
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On Feb 10, 2013, at 12:40 AM, Megan Lerseth megan_phntmgrl@...> wrote:

> One of my favorite musicals (Tanz der Vampire) has a vampire in the ensemble
> who's meant to be Richard (at least in Germany- in Hungary, Belgium, and Russia
>
> they replaced him with Ludwig of Bavaria). This seems to be less of a
> villainization tactic and more just picking a recognizable historical figure-
> the lead vampire has a portrait of a vampiric Henry VIII and Elizabeth I among

> his ancestors, and the same creepy crypt that Richard climbs out of also houses
>
> vampire!Shakespeare, vampire!Christina of Sweden, vampire!Napoleon and a female
>
> vampire who's sometimes identified as Anne Neville (she's dressed in clothes
> from the same era and usually paired with the Richard vampire). They give him a
>
> very mild hump, but he's always played by one of the leading dancers in the
> ensemble (which means that in the finale, where all the costumes are
> semi-modernized and changed to black leather, you get the interesting sight of
>a
>
> humpbacked, vampire Richard III who's able to lift his leg before him at a 90
> degree angle while bending backwards and then dropping into a split on the
> floor).
>
> I understand there's also a children's book pretending to be a 19th-century
> vampire hunters' guide that pegs Richard as a vampire who ate his nephews and
> who's still out there somewhere in hiding (it was a human decoy who died at
> Bosworth). They seem to have taken a list of reputed historical villains and
> thrown darts at the wall to pick them- apparently the Borgias weren't even
> really a family, just a vampire coven.
>
> ________________________________
> From: Ishita Bandyo bandyoi@...>
> To: ""
> >
> Sent: Sat, February 9, 2013 9:11:11 PM
> Subject: Re: Re: Teeth
>
> Richard a vampire??? Where? How? Why?
>
> Ishita Bandyo
> www.ishitabandyo.com
> www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
> www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
>
> On Feb 9, 2013, at 7:40 PM, Megan Lerseth megan_phntmgrl@...> wrote:
>
> > A bit ironic, given how popular vampire!Richard is if you poke in the right
> > corners.
> >
> > I feel like I read something about him losing those back teeth in battle when
>
> >he
> >
> > was still fairly young, but I can't for the life of me remember where. It was
>
> > probably at least seven or eight years ago, but it stuck in my head enough
>that
>
> >
> > when they showed a picture of the skull earlier this week, it was another
>thing
>
> >
> > that made me nod and go "Yes, that's him."
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: mairemulholland mairemulholland@...>
> > To:
> > Sent: Sat, February 9, 2013 7:35:37 PM
> > Subject: Re: Teeth
> >
> > Wow! What an amazing post. All I could concentrate on was that the man had no
>
> > fillings. Stupid, I know, but so different from the modern mouth. I did
>notice
>
>
> > that the canines showed no sign of "sharpness" if you know what I mean.
> >
> > Richard, didn't your mother teeth you to floss? Maire.
> >
> > --- In , Megan Lerseth wrote:
> > >
> > > I think it's the sugar thing, as well as a visual contrast thing. A friend
>of
>
> >
> > > mine who's in forensic archaeology said this about the state of Richard's
> > >teeth:
> > >
> > > "On the one hand teeth archaeological remains often have much nicer teeth
> >than
> >
> >
> > > what weâ¬"d expect from a modern standpoint, but you have to remember that

> > >people
> > >
> > > in these contexts had diets very different than we do, meaning our teeth
>face
>
> >
> > > different types of wear and tear. I have no background in medieval European
>
> > > archaeology so I wonâ¬"t speak to that, but in North America, for example,

> >you
> >
> > >can
> > >
> > > tell when domesticated corn was incorperated into the diets of many Native

> > > American populations because thereâ¬"s a dramatic, population-wide
> > >deterioration
> > >
> > > in the health of their teeth (especially in regards to the number of
> >cavities,
> >
> >
> > > which go up because of all the sugars in corn).
> > > But look at some other, larger photos of this skull and you can see that
>the
>
>
> > > teeth are still pretty rough. Look at how flat the teeth are
>wornâ¬"thatâ¬"s
>
>
> > >from
> > >
> > > chewing a very rough diet. Stone-ground flour/meal is particularly rough on
>
> > >the
> > >
> > > teeth, as in addition to the larger grains thereâ¬"s often fine bits of
> > > grit/stone/sand mixed in from the milling process that over time really
>wears
>
> >
> > > down on your teeth. The wear is especially prominent on his upper canines,

> > > where in the first photo you can kind of see a smaller, darker ring of
> >material
> >
> > >
> > > on what would have been the cusp. That might be exposed dentin, meaning
> >heâ¬"s
> >
> > >
> > > worn right through the hard enamel and into the soft tissues of his teeth.

> > > Thatâ¬"s not good at all. Say hello to infection and eventual tooth death.
> > > Also take note of all the dark crud at the base of his teeth. Thatâ¬"s all

> >the
> >
> > >
> > > stuff encrusted at his gum line. There also appears to be some tooth loss:

> > >not
> > >
> > > the top left central incisor, which looks more like post-mortem loss
>(itâ¬"s
>
>
> > > pretty rare to find a skull with all the teeth they had at death, since the
>
> > >soft
> > >
> > > tissue ligaments holding the tooth into the socket also decays), but there

> > >looks
> > >
> > > like thereâ¬"s bone absorption around where his bottom second and third
> >molars
> >
> >
> > > should be on the left side (pressuming that his third molars erupted). That
>
> > > takes time, so he lost those teeth well before his death.
> > > Long story short: they look nice because theyâ¬"re mostly white, which is a
>
> > > reasonable thing to see given that a.) theyâ¬"re contrasted against very
> >brown
> >
> >
> > > bone, enhancing the effect and b.) the medieval dietâ¬"even a rich one fit

> >for
> >
> >
> > > royaltyâ¬"falls far short of our own when it comes to enamel-staining food,
>
> > >drink,
> > >
> > > and other vices like smoking."
> > >
> > > So his teeth were about average for the time, and definitely not black a la
>
> > > Henry's, but not particularly great, either.
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: mairemulholland
> > > To:
> > > Sent: Sat, February 9, 2013 5:29:02 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Please delete my email address
>from
>
>
> > > your list and cancel my membership.
> > >
> > >
> > > But why are Richard's teeth in such good condition? Is it the sugar thing?

> > >
> > > Poor Bess, married to a man with black teeth and a tight wallet...
> > >
> > > --- In , "EileenB" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Well they couldnt show him smiling...his teeth were few, poor and
> > > >blackish"...as Phil Stone timely reminded me in the Richardian Bulletin
> >Extra
> >
> > >I
> > >
> > > >received today..Eileen
> > > >
> > > > --- In , "mcjohn_wt_net" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > They could do a reconstruction of Henry VII's mug, but the resulting
>mass
>
> >
> > > >nausea would constitute a public health crisis.
> > > > >
> > > > > (That was looksist. I apologize.)
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In , liz williams wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm just wondering why someone would want to leave now - fear that
> > >Richard
> > >
> > > >will become too popular?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > > From: Stephen Lark
> > > > > > To:
> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, 9 February 2013, 20:22
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Please delete my email
>address
>
> >
> > > >from your list and cancel my membership.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ã
> > > > > > I think he means the Forum.
> > > > > > Neil, this one wants to be executed;)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Lisa @ The Antiques Boutique"
> > > >mailto:lisa.holtjones%40googlemail.com>
> > > > > > To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 7:52 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Please delete my email
>address
>
> >
> > > >from
> > > >
> > > > > > your list and cancel my membership.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > you'll probably have to contact the membership chair for the
> > > organisation
> > > > > > > you joined - UK/ American??...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 9 February 2013 15:50, N SMART
> mailto:n.smart777%40btinternet.com>
> > > >wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> **
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Please delete my email address from your files and cancel my
> > > membership.
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> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Lisa
> > > > > > > The Antiques Boutique & Ceramic Restoration/Conservation Services
> > > > > > > Baddeck, Nova Scotia.
> > > > > > > Tel: 902 295 9013 / 1329
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > www.Antiques-Boutique.com http://www.antiques-boutique.com/>
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Only by few years. I consider everyone born between 1970- 80 to be my age!


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On Feb 10, 2013, at 8:44 AM, liz williams <ferrymansdaughter@...> wrote:

> Perhaps she died before his teeth got really bad. After all his teeth couldn't have been that bad when he was young, could they?
>
> I always tend to forget that Henry was younger than Richard.
>
> ________________________________
> From: Jacqueline Harvey jacqharvey@...>
> To: Richard III forum >
> Sent: Sunday, 10 February 2013, 13:33
> Subject: RE: Please delete my email address from your list and cancel my membership.
>
> Uurgh! Poor Elizabeth of York - fancy having to kiss that!
> Jacq
>
> To:
> From: cherryripe.eileenb@...
> Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2013 22:24:13 +0000
> Subject: Re: Please delete my email address from your list and cancel my membership.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Well they couldnt show him smiling...his teeth were few, poor and blackish"...as Phil Stone timely reminded me in the Richardian Bulletin Extra I received today..Eileen
>
> --- In , "mcjohn_wt_net" wrote:
>
> >
>
> > They could do a reconstruction of Henry VII's mug, but the resulting mass nausea would constitute a public health crisis.
>
> >
>
> > (That was looksist. I apologize.)
>
> >
>
> > --- In , liz williams wrote:
>
> > >
>
> > > I'm just wondering why someone would want to leave now - fear that Richard will become too popular?
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > > ________________________________
>
> > > From: Stephen Lark
>
> > > To:
>
> > > Sent: Saturday, 9 February 2013, 20:22
>
> > > Subject: Re: Please delete my email address from your list and cancel my membership.
>
> > >
>
> > > Â
>
> > > I think he means the Forum.
>
> > > Neil, this one wants to be executed;)
>
> > >
>
> > > ----- Original Message -----
>
> > > From: "Lisa @ The Antiques Boutique" mailto:lisa.holtjones%40googlemail.com>
>
> > > To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>
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> > > Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2013 7:52 PM
>
> > > Subject: Re: Please delete my email address from
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>
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>
> > > > you'll probably have to contact the membership chair for the organisation
>
> > > > you joined - UK/ American??...
>
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On Feb 10, 2013, at 8:33 AM, Jacqueline Harvey <jacqharvey@...> wrote:

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No they greeted each other like crocodile Dundee,
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On Feb 10, 2013, at 12:21 PM, Ishita Bandyo <bandyoi@...> wrote:

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Carol responds:

No need. The bust modeled on his death mask http://www.paradoxplace.com/Photo%20Pages/UK/Britain_South_and_West/Westminster_Abbey/Westminster_Images/Henry-VII-BAR.jpg shows that he looked exactly like the bust by Pietro Torrigiano http://tudorhistory.org/henry7/henry7bust.jpg and that the familiar shifty-eyed portrait of a younger Henry is probably true to life. No fan girl admirers flocking around Henry, I'm afraid.

What they will say about their idol I can't guess. Has he been "maligned" by Ricardians? There's a reason why Henry VII has never had his own society. There's nothing admirable about him (unless you consider his stripping the nobility of any power to oppose him an admirable trait) and his successors certainly didn't blacken his reputation. Poor Henry, the victim of those awful Ricardians who call him a usurper with no shred of a claim, not to mention a regicide and propagandist. The tears are welling in my eyes even now. (I hope I don't need to state that I'm being sarcastic, but just in case!)

On another note, someone mentioned Richard's life presented as Camelot. I vaguely recall reading a Ricardian novel in which every chapter had an epigraph from Malory, so the comparison has already been made. Does anyone know the book I'm referring to? I think it's quite recent but obviously not memorable like "Sunne in Splendour" or "We Speak No Treason."

Carol