New member here.

Dear Richard III Society Forum,

Thank you for accepting my request for membership.

You have to believe in fate sometimes, despite the rational mind baulking at it. Richard IIIs remains uncovered 500 years after his death at a site which has been developed and redeveloped over the years, and yet his remains were virtually intact down to the 21st century. That is not much short of a miracle.

Circa 1984 I found myself in Leicester visiting friends of friends. I was surprised when I was informed of the relationship of Leicester to Richard III. The next day saw a mini cab ride to Bosworth Field which appeared then as it must have pretty much looked in 1485. That's all I remember really, I was also surprised how the landscape dipped and rose, but that's all I clearly remember.

Year later saw me at Little Easton which also features in Richard's story? I don't know what I was doing in Essex at that time, possibly some amateur landscape photography.

Thanks again,

Ric

Especially, when I listened again yesterday, that an outhouse was constructed in the 19th Century, just a foot or so from the remains. Some conjecture about when and why the feet were truncated, but no answers. But, honestly, it is a miracle that he was found. And that science has progressed to the point where this is not conjecture but fact - with I am sure much more information to come.





From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of Phaeton G
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 6:43 AM
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Subject: New member here.



Dear Richard III Society Forum,

Thank you for accepting my request for membership.

You have to believe in fate sometimes, despite the rational mind baulking at it. Richard IIIs remains uncovered 500 years after his death at a site which has been developed and redeveloped over the years, and yet his remains were virtually intact down to the 21st century. That is not much short of a miracle.

Circa 1984 I found myself in Leicester visiting friends of friends. I was surprised when I was informed of the relationship of Leicester to Richard III. The next day saw a mini cab ride to Bosworth Field which appeared then as it must have pretty much looked in 1485. That's all I remember really, I was also surprised how the landscape dipped and rose, but that's all I clearly remember.

Year later saw me at Little Easton which also features in Richard's story? I don't know what I was doing in Essex at that time, possibly some amateur landscape photography.

Thanks again,

Ric

Those fragile remains could have been unknowingly obliterated in a matter of a few moments, it is incredible that they survived.


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> Especially, when I listened again yesterday, that an outhouse was constructed in the 19th Century, just a foot or so from the remains. Some conjecture about when and why the feet were truncated, but no answers. But, honestly, it is a miracle that he was found. And that science has progressed to the point where this is not conjecture but fact - with I am sure much more information to come.
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> From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of Phaeton G
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 6:43 AM
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> Dear Richard III Society Forum,
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> Thank you for accepting my request for membership.
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> You have to believe in fate sometimes, despite the rational mind baulking at it. Richard IIIs remains uncovered 500 years after his death at a site which has been developed and redeveloped over the years, and yet his remains were virtually intact down to the 21st century. That is not much short of a miracle.
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> Circa 1984 I found myself in Leicester visiting friends of friends. I was surprised when I was informed of the relationship of Leicester to Richard III. The next day saw a mini cab ride to Bosworth Field which appeared then as it must have pretty much looked in 1485. That's all I remember really, I was also surprised how the landscape dipped and rose, but that's all I clearly remember.
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> Year later saw me at Little Easton which also features in Richard's story? I don't know what I was doing in Essex at that time, possibly some amateur landscape photography.

It's a total miracle - he survived the destruction of the friary, the construction of the outhouse, the construction of the car park and Jo Appleby's mattock. Let's just be happy.
Marie

--- In , Pamela Bain wrote:
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> Especially, when I listened again yesterday, that an outhouse was constructed in the 19th Century, just a foot or so from the remains. Some conjecture about when and why the feet were truncated, but no answers. But, honestly, it is a miracle that he was found. And that science has progressed to the point where this is not conjecture but fact - with I am sure much more information to come.
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> From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of Phaeton G
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 6:43 AM
> To:
> Subject: New member here.
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> Dear Richard III Society Forum,
>
> Thank you for accepting my request for membership.
>
> You have to believe in fate sometimes, despite the rational mind baulking at it. Richard IIIs remains uncovered 500 years after his death at a site which has been developed and redeveloped over the years, and yet his remains were virtually intact down to the 21st century. That is not much short of a miracle.
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> Circa 1984 I found myself in Leicester visiting friends of friends. I was surprised when I was informed of the relationship of Leicester to Richard III. The next day saw a mini cab ride to Bosworth Field which appeared then as it must have pretty much looked in 1485. That's all I remember really, I was also surprised how the landscape dipped and rose, but that's all I clearly remember.
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> Year later saw me at Little Easton which also features in Richard's story? I don't know what I was doing in Essex at that time, possibly some amateur landscape photography.
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> Thanks again,
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> Ric
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I totally agree, I'am sure that Dr. Appleby was not happy about the situation, especially as it was captured for all to see, however we cannot undo this part of R3 s discovery just let it be said that mattock happens!
George

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On Feb 11, 2013, at 12:19 PM, mariewalsh2003 <[email protected]> wrote:

> It's a total miracle - he survived the destruction of the friary, the construction of the outhouse, the construction of the car park and Jo Appleby's mattock. Let's just be happy.
> Marie
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> --- In , Pamela Bain wrote:
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> > Especially, when I listened again yesterday, that an outhouse was constructed in the 19th Century, just a foot or so from the remains. Some conjecture about when and why the feet were truncated, but no answers. But, honestly, it is a miracle that he was found. And that science has progressed to the point where this is not conjecture but fact - with I am sure much more information to come.
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> > From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of Phaeton G
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> > Dear Richard III Society Forum,
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> > Thank you for accepting my request for membership.
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> > You have to believe in fate sometimes, despite the rational mind baulking at it. Richard IIIs remains uncovered 500 years after his death at a site which has been developed and redeveloped over the years, and yet his remains were virtually intact down to the 21st century. That is not much short of a miracle.
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> > Circa 1984 I found myself in Leicester visiting friends of friends. I was surprised when I was informed of the relationship of Leicester to Richard III. The next day saw a mini cab ride to Bosworth Field which appeared then as it must have pretty much looked in 1485. That's all I remember really, I was also surprised how the landscape dipped and rose, but that's all I clearly remember.
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> > Year later saw me at Little Easton which also features in Richard's story? I don't know what I was doing in Essex at that time, possibly some amateur landscape photography.
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> > Thanks again,
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Pamela Bain wrote:
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> Especially, when I listened again yesterday, that an outhouse was constructed in the 19th Century, just a foot or so from the remains. Some conjecture about when and why the feet were truncated, but no answers. But, honestly, it is a miracle that he was found. And that science has progressed to the point where this is not conjecture but fact - with I am sure much more information to come.

Carol responds:

I've been wondering about that outhouse. Isn't "outhouse" or "out building" a more general term in British English than American (where it means an outdoor toilet)? I'm wondering if the use of "toilet" in some of the online articles reflects yet another misunderstanding or miscommunication. If not, Richard came within inches or yet another humiliation, this one inflicted by accident, and the permanent obscuring of his bones. I don't know whether to rejoice at the miracle or shudder at the irony.

Carol

Carol, he said out house, and if my pea brain is remembering well, he referred to outdoor toilet. Yes, that is a shuddering thought, and also may have affected the bones ion some way, if there was leaking from there into the adjacent soil. I have no idea as to the standards for outdoor privy's back then, but I bet it was not enclosed like septic systems are now.
I will listen to the conference again tonight just to make certain. Today is crazy MONDAY here!




From: [mailto:] On Behalf Of justcarol67
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 12:55 PM
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Subject: Re: New member here.



Pamela Bain wrote:
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> Especially, when I listened again yesterday, that an outhouse was constructed in the 19th Century, just a foot or so from the remains. Some conjecture about when and why the feet were truncated, but no answers. But, honestly, it is a miracle that he was found. And that science has progressed to the point where this is not conjecture but fact - with I am sure much more information to come.

Carol responds:

I've been wondering about that outhouse. Isn't "outhouse" or "out building" a more general term in British English than American (where it means an outdoor toilet)? I'm wondering if the use of "toilet" in some of the online articles reflects yet another misunderstanding or miscommunication. If not, Richard came within inches or yet another humiliation, this one inflicted by accident, and the permanent obscuring of his bones. I don't know whether to rejoice at the miracle or shudder at the irony.

Carol