Re: Documentation (was Henry Tudor Society)
Re: Documentation (was Henry Tudor Society)
2013-02-12 00:53:11
Ah, yes, quite so, now I understand.
Er... do you think that perhaps, in light of the find in Leicester, there might be a new impetus to, say, go back through the documentation of the late 15th century English government looking for stuff like Council meeting minutes? I know, I know... mold, fires, mice, tapers to light candles with, draft-stoppers, alternatives to leaves for the privy...
But, you know, al Qaeda in Mali thought they had destroyed a world heritage archive of documentation relating to the development of Islam, and turns out a sharp-minded librarian smuggled all the good stuff out of the area so they weren't able to torch it all. Maybe... maybe... maybe there are archive troves still?
--- In , mariewalsh2003 wrote:
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> But it was parliament, not the council, that's all I was saying.
> Marie
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> --- In , "mcjohn_wt_net" wrote:
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> > I wasn't thinking they were successful, just that challenging the monarch seems to have been something they didn't avoid doing, even if Henry seemed like the sort to have your drawn and quartered for pointing out that he had dandruff on his collar.
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> > --- In , mariewalsh2003 wrote:
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> > > --- In , "mcjohn_wt_net" wrote:
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> > > > "Y'all might want to engage in a bit of speculation here. The alleged occasion of Hastings' arrest and nearly instant execution was a Council meeting. This is the same sort of governmental body that was able to protest Henry VII's demand that his reign be dated from August 21, 1485 so that the opposition at Bosworth could be accused of treason."
> > >
> > > It was parliament that objected (unsuccessfully) to Henry's insistence on attainting Richard and his followers for being in arms against him on the 21st and 22nd August.
> > > Unfortunately the surviving council records, of which there are some from Henry's first year, don 't tell us about debates.
> > > Marie
Er... do you think that perhaps, in light of the find in Leicester, there might be a new impetus to, say, go back through the documentation of the late 15th century English government looking for stuff like Council meeting minutes? I know, I know... mold, fires, mice, tapers to light candles with, draft-stoppers, alternatives to leaves for the privy...
But, you know, al Qaeda in Mali thought they had destroyed a world heritage archive of documentation relating to the development of Islam, and turns out a sharp-minded librarian smuggled all the good stuff out of the area so they weren't able to torch it all. Maybe... maybe... maybe there are archive troves still?
--- In , mariewalsh2003 wrote:
>
>
> But it was parliament, not the council, that's all I was saying.
> Marie
>
>
> --- In , "mcjohn_wt_net" wrote:
> >
> > I wasn't thinking they were successful, just that challenging the monarch seems to have been something they didn't avoid doing, even if Henry seemed like the sort to have your drawn and quartered for pointing out that he had dandruff on his collar.
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> > --- In , mariewalsh2003 wrote:
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> > > --- In , "mcjohn_wt_net" wrote:
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> > > > "Y'all might want to engage in a bit of speculation here. The alleged occasion of Hastings' arrest and nearly instant execution was a Council meeting. This is the same sort of governmental body that was able to protest Henry VII's demand that his reign be dated from August 21, 1485 so that the opposition at Bosworth could be accused of treason."
> > >
> > > It was parliament that objected (unsuccessfully) to Henry's insistence on attainting Richard and his followers for being in arms against him on the 21st and 22nd August.
> > > Unfortunately the surviving council records, of which there are some from Henry's first year, don 't tell us about debates.
> > > Marie
Papers
2013-02-12 00:56:14
Let us offer a prayer to the pack rats. But if found, would the present Monarchy have to say yes to any exploration? Does "she" be to give the nod???
On Feb 11, 2013, at 6:53 PM, "mcjohn_wt_net" <mcjohn@...<mailto:mcjohn@...>> wrote:
Ah, yes, quite so, now I understand.
Er... do you think that perhaps, in light of the find in Leicester, there might be a new impetus to, say, go back through the documentation of the late 15th century English government looking for stuff like Council meeting minutes? I know, I know... mold, fires, mice, tapers to light candles with, draft-stoppers, alternatives to leaves for the privy...
But, you know, al Qaeda in Mali thought they had destroyed a world heritage archive of documentation relating to the development of Islam, and turns out a sharp-minded librarian smuggled all the good stuff out of the area so they weren't able to torch it all. Maybe... maybe... maybe there are archive troves still?
--- In <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>, mariewalsh2003 wrote:
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>
> But it was parliament, not the council, that's all I was saying.
> Marie
>
>
> --- In <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>, "mcjohn_wt_net" wrote:
> >
> > I wasn't thinking they were successful, just that challenging the monarch seems to have been something they didn't avoid doing, even if Henry seemed like the sort to have your drawn and quartered for pointing out that he had dandruff on his collar.
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> > --- In <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>, mariewalsh2003 wrote:
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> > >
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> > > --- In <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>, "mcjohn_wt_net" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "Y'all might want to engage in a bit of speculation here. The alleged occasion of Hastings' arrest and nearly instant execution was a Council meeting. This is the same sort of governmental body that was able to protest Henry VII's demand that his reign be dated from August 21, 1485 so that the opposition at Bosworth could be accused of treason."
> > >
> > > It was parliament that objected (unsuccessfully) to Henry's insistence on attainting Richard and his followers for being in arms against him on the 21st and 22nd August.
> > > Unfortunately the surviving council records, of which there are some from Henry's first year, don 't tell us about debates.
> > > Marie
On Feb 11, 2013, at 6:53 PM, "mcjohn_wt_net" <mcjohn@...<mailto:mcjohn@...>> wrote:
Ah, yes, quite so, now I understand.
Er... do you think that perhaps, in light of the find in Leicester, there might be a new impetus to, say, go back through the documentation of the late 15th century English government looking for stuff like Council meeting minutes? I know, I know... mold, fires, mice, tapers to light candles with, draft-stoppers, alternatives to leaves for the privy...
But, you know, al Qaeda in Mali thought they had destroyed a world heritage archive of documentation relating to the development of Islam, and turns out a sharp-minded librarian smuggled all the good stuff out of the area so they weren't able to torch it all. Maybe... maybe... maybe there are archive troves still?
--- In <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>, mariewalsh2003 wrote:
>
>
> But it was parliament, not the council, that's all I was saying.
> Marie
>
>
> --- In <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>, "mcjohn_wt_net" wrote:
> >
> > I wasn't thinking they were successful, just that challenging the monarch seems to have been something they didn't avoid doing, even if Henry seemed like the sort to have your drawn and quartered for pointing out that he had dandruff on his collar.
> >
> > --- In <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>, mariewalsh2003 wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>, "mcjohn_wt_net" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "Y'all might want to engage in a bit of speculation here. The alleged occasion of Hastings' arrest and nearly instant execution was a Council meeting. This is the same sort of governmental body that was able to protest Henry VII's demand that his reign be dated from August 21, 1485 so that the opposition at Bosworth could be accused of treason."
> > >
> > > It was parliament that objected (unsuccessfully) to Henry's insistence on attainting Richard and his followers for being in arms against him on the 21st and 22nd August.
> > > Unfortunately the surviving council records, of which there are some from Henry's first year, don 't tell us about debates.
> > > Marie
Re: Papers
2013-02-12 03:18:48
Perhaps not, but let's remember that the younger set is coming along to positions of authority too. Bill Clinton, early in his Presidency, had the utterly charming habit of picking out the occasional moonbat question and going for it. I remember him once assuring someone who had written to him that no, alien remains were not discovered at Roswell, New Mexico in 1947... or, at least, if they were, he was pulling rank as head honcho and he wanted to know about it. I can just see Charles going, "But, Mummy, this is a perfectly fascinating question. Do say yes!"
--- In , Pamela Bain wrote:
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> Let us offer a prayer to the pack rats. But if found, would the present Monarchy have to say yes to any exploration? Does "she" be to give the nod???
>
> On Feb 11, 2013, at 6:53 PM, "mcjohn_wt_net" > wrote:
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>
>
> Ah, yes, quite so, now I understand.
>
> Er... do you think that perhaps, in light of the find in Leicester, there might be a new impetus to, say, go back through the documentation of the late 15th century English government looking for stuff like Council meeting minutes? I know, I know... mold, fires, mice, tapers to light candles with, draft-stoppers, alternatives to leaves for the privy...
>
> But, you know, al Qaeda in Mali thought they had destroyed a world heritage archive of documentation relating to the development of Islam, and turns out a sharp-minded librarian smuggled all the good stuff out of the area so they weren't able to torch it all. Maybe... maybe... maybe there are archive troves still?
>
> --- In , mariewalsh2003 wrote:
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> > But it was parliament, not the council, that's all I was saying.
> > Marie
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> >
> > --- In , "mcjohn_wt_net" wrote:
> > >
> > > I wasn't thinking they were successful, just that challenging the monarch seems to have been something they didn't avoid doing, even if Henry seemed like the sort to have your drawn and quartered for pointing out that he had dandruff on his collar.
> > >
> > > --- In , mariewalsh2003 wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In , "mcjohn_wt_net" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > "Y'all might want to engage in a bit of speculation here. The alleged occasion of Hastings' arrest and nearly instant execution was a Council meeting. This is the same sort of governmental body that was able to protest Henry VII's demand that his reign be dated from August 21, 1485 so that the opposition at Bosworth could be accused of treason."
> > > >
> > > > It was parliament that objected (unsuccessfully) to Henry's insistence on attainting Richard and his followers for being in arms against him on the 21st and 22nd August.
> > > > Unfortunately the surviving council records, of which there are some from Henry's first year, don 't tell us about debates.
> > > > Marie
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--- In , Pamela Bain wrote:
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> Let us offer a prayer to the pack rats. But if found, would the present Monarchy have to say yes to any exploration? Does "she" be to give the nod???
>
> On Feb 11, 2013, at 6:53 PM, "mcjohn_wt_net" > wrote:
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>
>
> Ah, yes, quite so, now I understand.
>
> Er... do you think that perhaps, in light of the find in Leicester, there might be a new impetus to, say, go back through the documentation of the late 15th century English government looking for stuff like Council meeting minutes? I know, I know... mold, fires, mice, tapers to light candles with, draft-stoppers, alternatives to leaves for the privy...
>
> But, you know, al Qaeda in Mali thought they had destroyed a world heritage archive of documentation relating to the development of Islam, and turns out a sharp-minded librarian smuggled all the good stuff out of the area so they weren't able to torch it all. Maybe... maybe... maybe there are archive troves still?
>
> --- In , mariewalsh2003 wrote:
> >
> >
> > But it was parliament, not the council, that's all I was saying.
> > Marie
> >
> >
> > --- In , "mcjohn_wt_net" wrote:
> > >
> > > I wasn't thinking they were successful, just that challenging the monarch seems to have been something they didn't avoid doing, even if Henry seemed like the sort to have your drawn and quartered for pointing out that he had dandruff on his collar.
> > >
> > > --- In , mariewalsh2003 wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In , "mcjohn_wt_net" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > "Y'all might want to engage in a bit of speculation here. The alleged occasion of Hastings' arrest and nearly instant execution was a Council meeting. This is the same sort of governmental body that was able to protest Henry VII's demand that his reign be dated from August 21, 1485 so that the opposition at Bosworth could be accused of treason."
> > > >
> > > > It was parliament that objected (unsuccessfully) to Henry's insistence on attainting Richard and his followers for being in arms against him on the 21st and 22nd August.
> > > > Unfortunately the surviving council records, of which there are some from Henry's first year, don 't tell us about debates.
> > > > Marie
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Re: Papers
2013-02-12 03:18:58
Perhaps not, but let's remember that the younger set is coming along to positions of authority too. Bill Clinton, early in his Presidency, had the utterly charming habit of picking out the occasional moonbat question and going for it. I remember him once assuring someone who had written to him that no, alien remains were not discovered at Roswell, New Mexico in 1947... or, at least, if they were, he was pulling rank as head honcho and he wanted to know about it. I can just see Charles going, "But, Mummy, this is a perfectly fascinating question. Do say yes!"
--- In , Pamela Bain wrote:
>
> Let us offer a prayer to the pack rats. But if found, would the present Monarchy have to say yes to any exploration? Does "she" be to give the nod???
>
> On Feb 11, 2013, at 6:53 PM, "mcjohn_wt_net" > wrote:
>
>
>
> Ah, yes, quite so, now I understand.
>
> Er... do you think that perhaps, in light of the find in Leicester, there might be a new impetus to, say, go back through the documentation of the late 15th century English government looking for stuff like Council meeting minutes? I know, I know... mold, fires, mice, tapers to light candles with, draft-stoppers, alternatives to leaves for the privy...
>
> But, you know, al Qaeda in Mali thought they had destroyed a world heritage archive of documentation relating to the development of Islam, and turns out a sharp-minded librarian smuggled all the good stuff out of the area so they weren't able to torch it all. Maybe... maybe... maybe there are archive troves still?
>
> --- In , mariewalsh2003 wrote:
> >
> >
> > But it was parliament, not the council, that's all I was saying.
> > Marie
> >
> >
> > --- In , "mcjohn_wt_net" wrote:
> > >
> > > I wasn't thinking they were successful, just that challenging the monarch seems to have been something they didn't avoid doing, even if Henry seemed like the sort to have your drawn and quartered for pointing out that he had dandruff on his collar.
> > >
> > > --- In , mariewalsh2003 wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In , "mcjohn_wt_net" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > "Y'all might want to engage in a bit of speculation here. The alleged occasion of Hastings' arrest and nearly instant execution was a Council meeting. This is the same sort of governmental body that was able to protest Henry VII's demand that his reign be dated from August 21, 1485 so that the opposition at Bosworth could be accused of treason."
> > > >
> > > > It was parliament that objected (unsuccessfully) to Henry's insistence on attainting Richard and his followers for being in arms against him on the 21st and 22nd August.
> > > > Unfortunately the surviving council records, of which there are some from Henry's first year, don 't tell us about debates.
> > > > Marie
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--- In , Pamela Bain wrote:
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> Let us offer a prayer to the pack rats. But if found, would the present Monarchy have to say yes to any exploration? Does "she" be to give the nod???
>
> On Feb 11, 2013, at 6:53 PM, "mcjohn_wt_net" > wrote:
>
>
>
> Ah, yes, quite so, now I understand.
>
> Er... do you think that perhaps, in light of the find in Leicester, there might be a new impetus to, say, go back through the documentation of the late 15th century English government looking for stuff like Council meeting minutes? I know, I know... mold, fires, mice, tapers to light candles with, draft-stoppers, alternatives to leaves for the privy...
>
> But, you know, al Qaeda in Mali thought they had destroyed a world heritage archive of documentation relating to the development of Islam, and turns out a sharp-minded librarian smuggled all the good stuff out of the area so they weren't able to torch it all. Maybe... maybe... maybe there are archive troves still?
>
> --- In , mariewalsh2003 wrote:
> >
> >
> > But it was parliament, not the council, that's all I was saying.
> > Marie
> >
> >
> > --- In , "mcjohn_wt_net" wrote:
> > >
> > > I wasn't thinking they were successful, just that challenging the monarch seems to have been something they didn't avoid doing, even if Henry seemed like the sort to have your drawn and quartered for pointing out that he had dandruff on his collar.
> > >
> > > --- In , mariewalsh2003 wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In , "mcjohn_wt_net" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > "Y'all might want to engage in a bit of speculation here. The alleged occasion of Hastings' arrest and nearly instant execution was a Council meeting. This is the same sort of governmental body that was able to protest Henry VII's demand that his reign be dated from August 21, 1485 so that the opposition at Bosworth could be accused of treason."
> > > >
> > > > It was parliament that objected (unsuccessfully) to Henry's insistence on attainting Richard and his followers for being in arms against him on the 21st and 22nd August.
> > > > Unfortunately the surviving council records, of which there are some from Henry's first year, don 't tell us about debates.
> > > > Marie
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Re: Papers
2013-02-12 07:02:30
I don't think the Queen has ever objected to archives being searched, as long as they're old enough. It's human remains she's squeamish about, and it's probably on the advice of the Dean of Westminster that the urn is not to be touched.
--- In , "mcjohn_wt_net" wrote:
>
> Perhaps not, but let's remember that the younger set is coming along to positions of authority too. Bill Clinton, early in his Presidency, had the utterly charming habit of picking out the occasional moonbat question and going for it. I remember him once assuring someone who had written to him that no, alien remains were not discovered at Roswell, New Mexico in 1947... or, at least, if they were, he was pulling rank as head honcho and he wanted to know about it. I can just see Charles going, "But, Mummy, this is a perfectly fascinating question. Do say yes!"
>
> --- In , Pamela Bain wrote:
> >
> > Let us offer a prayer to the pack rats. But if found, would the present Monarchy have to say yes to any exploration? Does "she" be to give the nod???
> >
> > On Feb 11, 2013, at 6:53 PM, "mcjohn_wt_net" > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Ah, yes, quite so, now I understand.
> >
> > Er... do you think that perhaps, in light of the find in Leicester, there might be a new impetus to, say, go back through the documentation of the late 15th century English government looking for stuff like Council meeting minutes? I know, I know... mold, fires, mice, tapers to light candles with, draft-stoppers, alternatives to leaves for the privy...
> >
> > But, you know, al Qaeda in Mali thought they had destroyed a world heritage archive of documentation relating to the development of Islam, and turns out a sharp-minded librarian smuggled all the good stuff out of the area so they weren't able to torch it all. Maybe... maybe... maybe there are archive troves still?
> >
> > --- In , mariewalsh2003 wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > But it was parliament, not the council, that's all I was saying.
> > > Marie
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In , "mcjohn_wt_net" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I wasn't thinking they were successful, just that challenging the monarch seems to have been something they didn't avoid doing, even if Henry seemed like the sort to have your drawn and quartered for pointing out that he had dandruff on his collar.
> > > >
> > > > --- In , mariewalsh2003 wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In , "mcjohn_wt_net" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Y'all might want to engage in a bit of speculation here. The alleged occasion of Hastings' arrest and nearly instant execution was a Council meeting. This is the same sort of governmental body that was able to protest Henry VII's demand that his reign be dated from August 21, 1485 so that the opposition at Bosworth could be accused of treason."
> > > > >
> > > > > It was parliament that objected (unsuccessfully) to Henry's insistence on attainting Richard and his followers for being in arms against him on the 21st and 22nd August.
> > > > > Unfortunately the surviving council records, of which there are some from Henry's first year, don 't tell us about debates.
> > > > > Marie
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--- In , "mcjohn_wt_net" wrote:
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> Perhaps not, but let's remember that the younger set is coming along to positions of authority too. Bill Clinton, early in his Presidency, had the utterly charming habit of picking out the occasional moonbat question and going for it. I remember him once assuring someone who had written to him that no, alien remains were not discovered at Roswell, New Mexico in 1947... or, at least, if they were, he was pulling rank as head honcho and he wanted to know about it. I can just see Charles going, "But, Mummy, this is a perfectly fascinating question. Do say yes!"
>
> --- In , Pamela Bain wrote:
> >
> > Let us offer a prayer to the pack rats. But if found, would the present Monarchy have to say yes to any exploration? Does "she" be to give the nod???
> >
> > On Feb 11, 2013, at 6:53 PM, "mcjohn_wt_net" > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Ah, yes, quite so, now I understand.
> >
> > Er... do you think that perhaps, in light of the find in Leicester, there might be a new impetus to, say, go back through the documentation of the late 15th century English government looking for stuff like Council meeting minutes? I know, I know... mold, fires, mice, tapers to light candles with, draft-stoppers, alternatives to leaves for the privy...
> >
> > But, you know, al Qaeda in Mali thought they had destroyed a world heritage archive of documentation relating to the development of Islam, and turns out a sharp-minded librarian smuggled all the good stuff out of the area so they weren't able to torch it all. Maybe... maybe... maybe there are archive troves still?
> >
> > --- In , mariewalsh2003 wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > But it was parliament, not the council, that's all I was saying.
> > > Marie
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In , "mcjohn_wt_net" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I wasn't thinking they were successful, just that challenging the monarch seems to have been something they didn't avoid doing, even if Henry seemed like the sort to have your drawn and quartered for pointing out that he had dandruff on his collar.
> > > >
> > > > --- In , mariewalsh2003 wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In , "mcjohn_wt_net" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Y'all might want to engage in a bit of speculation here. The alleged occasion of Hastings' arrest and nearly instant execution was a Council meeting. This is the same sort of governmental body that was able to protest Henry VII's demand that his reign be dated from August 21, 1485 so that the opposition at Bosworth could be accused of treason."
> > > > >
> > > > > It was parliament that objected (unsuccessfully) to Henry's insistence on attainting Richard and his followers for being in arms against him on the 21st and 22nd August.
> > > > > Unfortunately the surviving council records, of which there are some from Henry's first year, don 't tell us about debates.
> > > > > Marie
> >
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Re: Papers
2013-02-12 12:34:38
Yes, Mummy, shall we!!!
On Feb 11, 2013, at 9:19 PM, "mcjohn_wt_net" <mcjohn@...<mailto:mcjohn@...>> wrote:
Perhaps not, but let's remember that the younger set is coming along to positions of authority too. Bill Clinton, early in his Presidency, had the utterly charming habit of picking out the occasional moonbat question and going for it. I remember him once assuring someone who had written to him that no, alien remains were not discovered at Roswell, New Mexico in 1947... or, at least, if they were, he was pulling rank as head honcho and he wanted to know about it. I can just see Charles going, "But, Mummy, this is a perfectly fascinating question. Do say yes!"
--- In <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>, Pamela Bain wrote:
>
> Let us offer a prayer to the pack rats. But if found, would the present Monarchy have to say yes to any exploration? Does "she" be to give the nod???
>
> On Feb 11, 2013, at 6:53 PM, "mcjohn_wt_net" > wrote:
>
>
>
> Ah, yes, quite so, now I understand.
>
> Er... do you think that perhaps, in light of the find in Leicester, there might be a new impetus to, say, go back through the documentation of the late 15th century English government looking for stuff like Council meeting minutes? I know, I know... mold, fires, mice, tapers to light candles with, draft-stoppers, alternatives to leaves for the privy...
>
> But, you know, al Qaeda in Mali thought they had destroyed a world heritage archive of documentation relating to the development of Islam, and turns out a sharp-minded librarian smuggled all the good stuff out of the area so they weren't able to torch it all. Maybe... maybe... maybe there are archive troves still?
>
> --- In <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> , mariewalsh2003 wrote:
> >
> >
> > But it was parliament, not the council, that's all I was saying.
> > Marie
> >
> >
> > --- In <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> , "mcjohn_wt_net" wrote:
> > >
> > > I wasn't thinking they were successful, just that challenging the monarch seems to have been something they didn't avoid doing, even if Henry seemed like the sort to have your drawn and quartered for pointing out that he had dandruff on his collar.
> > >
> > > --- In <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> , mariewalsh2003 wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com> , "mcjohn_wt_net" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > "Y'all might want to engage in a bit of speculation here. The alleged occasion of Hastings' arrest and nearly instant execution was a Council meeting. This is the same sort of governmental body that was able to protest Henry VII's demand that his reign be dated from August 21, 1485 so that the opposition at Bosworth could be accused of treason."
> > > >
> > > > It was parliament that objected (unsuccessfully) to Henry's insistence on attainting Richard and his followers for being in arms against him on the 21st and 22nd August.
> > > > Unfortunately the surviving council records, of which there are some from Henry's first year, don 't tell us about debates.
> > > > Marie
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On Feb 11, 2013, at 9:19 PM, "mcjohn_wt_net" <mcjohn@...<mailto:mcjohn@...>> wrote:
Perhaps not, but let's remember that the younger set is coming along to positions of authority too. Bill Clinton, early in his Presidency, had the utterly charming habit of picking out the occasional moonbat question and going for it. I remember him once assuring someone who had written to him that no, alien remains were not discovered at Roswell, New Mexico in 1947... or, at least, if they were, he was pulling rank as head honcho and he wanted to know about it. I can just see Charles going, "But, Mummy, this is a perfectly fascinating question. Do say yes!"
--- In <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>, Pamela Bain wrote:
>
> Let us offer a prayer to the pack rats. But if found, would the present Monarchy have to say yes to any exploration? Does "she" be to give the nod???
>
> On Feb 11, 2013, at 6:53 PM, "mcjohn_wt_net" > wrote:
>
>
>
> Ah, yes, quite so, now I understand.
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> Er... do you think that perhaps, in light of the find in Leicester, there might be a new impetus to, say, go back through the documentation of the late 15th century English government looking for stuff like Council meeting minutes? I know, I know... mold, fires, mice, tapers to light candles with, draft-stoppers, alternatives to leaves for the privy...
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> But, you know, al Qaeda in Mali thought they had destroyed a world heritage archive of documentation relating to the development of Islam, and turns out a sharp-minded librarian smuggled all the good stuff out of the area so they weren't able to torch it all. Maybe... maybe... maybe there are archive troves still?
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> > But it was parliament, not the council, that's all I was saying.
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> > > I wasn't thinking they were successful, just that challenging the monarch seems to have been something they didn't avoid doing, even if Henry seemed like the sort to have your drawn and quartered for pointing out that he had dandruff on his collar.
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> > > > > "Y'all might want to engage in a bit of speculation here. The alleged occasion of Hastings' arrest and nearly instant execution was a Council meeting. This is the same sort of governmental body that was able to protest Henry VII's demand that his reign be dated from August 21, 1485 so that the opposition at Bosworth could be accused of treason."
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> > > > It was parliament that objected (unsuccessfully) to Henry's insistence on attainting Richard and his followers for being in arms against him on the 21st and 22nd August.
> > > > Unfortunately the surviving council records, of which there are some from Henry's first year, don 't tell us about debates.
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