Richard III and Cardinal Woolsey
Richard III and Cardinal Woolsey
2013-02-12 14:25:30
I can't say that I am the first to suggest it, but let King Richard III be buried at York with his wife and son and let the people of Leicester find the remains of Cardinal Wolsey, for, as Wikipedia states: "The abbey ruins contain the memorial to Cardinal Thomas Wolsey, who was laid to rest in the grounds. He died while en route from York to London on 29 November 1530; a statue of him stands next to the Park's cafe."
Let King Richard III go home to York and keep Wolsey, who was Henry VIII's good servant, but unlike Cromwell and Cramner, had limits to what he would and wouldn't do to fufill the unrelenting desires of his King.
Let King Richard III go home to York and keep Wolsey, who was Henry VIII's good servant, but unlike Cromwell and Cramner, had limits to what he would and wouldn't do to fufill the unrelenting desires of his King.
Re: Richard III and Cardinal Woolsey
2013-02-12 14:54:17
We ended this thread days ago.
There has been far too much said already. Let us not degrade his remains
or name any more by specious arguments over his bones.
The law is specific, and the documentation signed and sealed before the
dig began.
Richard will be buried in the nearest consecrated ground to where the
remains were discovered. That is Leicester Cathedral.
End of. No argument.
Finished thank you.
Paul
On 12/02/2013 14:25, bkohatl wrote:
> I can't say that I am the first to suggest it, but let King Richard III be buried at York with his wife and son and let the people of Leicester find the remains of Cardinal Wolsey, for, as Wikipedia states: "The abbey ruins contain the memorial to Cardinal Thomas Wolsey, who was laid to rest in the grounds. He died while en route from York to London on 29 November 1530; a statue of him stands next to the Park's cafe."
> Let King Richard III go home to York and keep Wolsey, who was Henry VIII's good servant, but unlike Cromwell and Cramner, had limits to what he would and wouldn't do to fufill the unrelenting desires of his King.
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Richard Liveth Yet!
There has been far too much said already. Let us not degrade his remains
or name any more by specious arguments over his bones.
The law is specific, and the documentation signed and sealed before the
dig began.
Richard will be buried in the nearest consecrated ground to where the
remains were discovered. That is Leicester Cathedral.
End of. No argument.
Finished thank you.
Paul
On 12/02/2013 14:25, bkohatl wrote:
> I can't say that I am the first to suggest it, but let King Richard III be buried at York with his wife and son and let the people of Leicester find the remains of Cardinal Wolsey, for, as Wikipedia states: "The abbey ruins contain the memorial to Cardinal Thomas Wolsey, who was laid to rest in the grounds. He died while en route from York to London on 29 November 1530; a statue of him stands next to the Park's cafe."
> Let King Richard III go home to York and keep Wolsey, who was Henry VIII's good servant, but unlike Cromwell and Cramner, had limits to what he would and wouldn't do to fufill the unrelenting desires of his King.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
--
Richard Liveth Yet!
Re: Richard III and Cardinal Woolsey
2013-02-12 16:39:39
If not Leicester, why York? I would think when Richard expressed a wish to be buried in Yorkshire, he would have been thinking of Middleham Castle, if was up to me I would have him interred in a church dating to/before his death as near to Middleham Castle as possible
Jus sayin :)
Aidan
________________________________
From: bkohatl <bkohatl@...>
To:
Sent: Tuesday, 12 February 2013 10:25 PM
Subject: Richard III and Cardinal Woolsey
I can't say that I am the first to suggest it, but let King Richard III be buried at York with his wife and son and let the people of Leicester find the remains of Cardinal Wolsey, for, as Wikipedia states: "The abbey ruins contain the memorial to Cardinal Thomas Wolsey, who was laid to rest in the grounds. He died while en route from York to London on 29 November 1530; a statue of him stands next to the Park's cafe."
Let King Richard III go home to York and keep Wolsey, who was Henry VIII's good servant, but unlike Cromwell and Cramner, had limits to what he would and wouldn't do to fufill the unrelenting desires of his King.
Jus sayin :)
Aidan
________________________________
From: bkohatl <bkohatl@...>
To:
Sent: Tuesday, 12 February 2013 10:25 PM
Subject: Richard III and Cardinal Woolsey
I can't say that I am the first to suggest it, but let King Richard III be buried at York with his wife and son and let the people of Leicester find the remains of Cardinal Wolsey, for, as Wikipedia states: "The abbey ruins contain the memorial to Cardinal Thomas Wolsey, who was laid to rest in the grounds. He died while en route from York to London on 29 November 1530; a statue of him stands next to the Park's cafe."
Let King Richard III go home to York and keep Wolsey, who was Henry VIII's good servant, but unlike Cromwell and Cramner, had limits to what he would and wouldn't do to fufill the unrelenting desires of his King.
Re: Richard III and Cardinal Woolsey
2013-02-12 18:34:28
Sorry Aiden there is no evidence to support the idea that Richard wanted
to be buried in Yorkshire, though that may have been his wish up to
1483. But once king he became a man for the entire nation, and was
desperately trying to bring the southern lords on board with his regime.
He wouldn't have done anything as stupid as to alienate them by saying
he wanted to be buried in the north and identify himself as simply a
northern king. Remember what the southerners thought of northerners
only a few years before when Margaret's army was coming south!
Paul
On 12/02/2013 16:39, Aidan Donnelly wrote:
> If not Leicester, why York? I would think when Richard expressed a wish to be buried in Yorkshire, he would have been thinking of Middleham Castle, if was up to me I would have him interred in a church dating to/before his death as near to Middleham Castle as possible
>
> Jus sayin :)
>
> Aidan
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: bkohatl <bkohatl@...>
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, 12 February 2013 10:25 PM
> Subject: Richard III and Cardinal Woolsey
>
>
>
> I can't say that I am the first to suggest it, but let King Richard III be buried at York with his wife and son and let the people of Leicester find the remains of Cardinal Wolsey, for, as Wikipedia states: "The abbey ruins contain the memorial to Cardinal Thomas Wolsey, who was laid to rest in the grounds. He died while en route from York to London on 29 November 1530; a statue of him stands next to the Park's cafe."
> Let King Richard III go home to York and keep Wolsey, who was Henry VIII's good servant, but unlike Cromwell and Cramner, had limits to what he would and wouldn't do to fufill the unrelenting desires of his King.
>
>
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>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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>
>
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Richard Liveth Yet!
to be buried in Yorkshire, though that may have been his wish up to
1483. But once king he became a man for the entire nation, and was
desperately trying to bring the southern lords on board with his regime.
He wouldn't have done anything as stupid as to alienate them by saying
he wanted to be buried in the north and identify himself as simply a
northern king. Remember what the southerners thought of northerners
only a few years before when Margaret's army was coming south!
Paul
On 12/02/2013 16:39, Aidan Donnelly wrote:
> If not Leicester, why York? I would think when Richard expressed a wish to be buried in Yorkshire, he would have been thinking of Middleham Castle, if was up to me I would have him interred in a church dating to/before his death as near to Middleham Castle as possible
>
> Jus sayin :)
>
> Aidan
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: bkohatl <bkohatl@...>
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, 12 February 2013 10:25 PM
> Subject: Richard III and Cardinal Woolsey
>
>
>
> I can't say that I am the first to suggest it, but let King Richard III be buried at York with his wife and son and let the people of Leicester find the remains of Cardinal Wolsey, for, as Wikipedia states: "The abbey ruins contain the memorial to Cardinal Thomas Wolsey, who was laid to rest in the grounds. He died while en route from York to London on 29 November 1530; a statue of him stands next to the Park's cafe."
> Let King Richard III go home to York and keep Wolsey, who was Henry VIII's good servant, but unlike Cromwell and Cramner, had limits to what he would and wouldn't do to fufill the unrelenting desires of his King.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
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Richard Liveth Yet!
Re: Richard III and Cardinal Woolsey
2013-02-13 00:50:29
The best argument yet for Leicester! Bravo, Paul--given how much north/south friction there was during Richard III's reign, we would do well to keep this in mind.
--- In , Paul Trevor Bale wrote:
>
> Sorry Aiden there is no evidence to support the idea that Richard wanted
> to be buried in Yorkshire, though that may have been his wish up to
> 1483. But once king he became a man for the entire nation, and was
> desperately trying to bring the southern lords on board with his regime.
> He wouldn't have done anything as stupid as to alienate them by saying
> he wanted to be buried in the north and identify himself as simply a
> northern king. Remember what the southerners thought of northerners
> only a few years before when Margaret's army was coming south!
> Paul
>
> On 12/02/2013 16:39, Aidan Donnelly wrote:
> > If not Leicester, why York? I would think when Richard expressed a wish to be buried in Yorkshire, he would have been thinking of Middleham Castle, if was up to me I would have him interred in a church dating to/before his death as near to Middleham Castle as possible
> >
> > Jus sayin :)
> >
> > Aidan
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: bkohatl
> > To:
> > Sent: Tuesday, 12 February 2013 10:25 PM
> > Subject: Richard III and Cardinal Woolsey
> >
> >
> >
> > I can't say that I am the first to suggest it, but let King Richard III be buried at York with his wife and son and let the people of Leicester find the remains of Cardinal Wolsey, for, as Wikipedia states: "The abbey ruins contain the memorial to Cardinal Thomas Wolsey, who was laid to rest in the grounds. He died while en route from York to London on 29 November 1530; a statue of him stands next to the Park's cafe."
> > Let King Richard III go home to York and keep Wolsey, who was Henry VIII's good servant, but unlike Cromwell and Cramner, had limits to what he would and wouldn't do to fufill the unrelenting desires of his King.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Richard Liveth Yet!
>
--- In , Paul Trevor Bale wrote:
>
> Sorry Aiden there is no evidence to support the idea that Richard wanted
> to be buried in Yorkshire, though that may have been his wish up to
> 1483. But once king he became a man for the entire nation, and was
> desperately trying to bring the southern lords on board with his regime.
> He wouldn't have done anything as stupid as to alienate them by saying
> he wanted to be buried in the north and identify himself as simply a
> northern king. Remember what the southerners thought of northerners
> only a few years before when Margaret's army was coming south!
> Paul
>
> On 12/02/2013 16:39, Aidan Donnelly wrote:
> > If not Leicester, why York? I would think when Richard expressed a wish to be buried in Yorkshire, he would have been thinking of Middleham Castle, if was up to me I would have him interred in a church dating to/before his death as near to Middleham Castle as possible
> >
> > Jus sayin :)
> >
> > Aidan
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: bkohatl
> > To:
> > Sent: Tuesday, 12 February 2013 10:25 PM
> > Subject: Richard III and Cardinal Woolsey
> >
> >
> >
> > I can't say that I am the first to suggest it, but let King Richard III be buried at York with his wife and son and let the people of Leicester find the remains of Cardinal Wolsey, for, as Wikipedia states: "The abbey ruins contain the memorial to Cardinal Thomas Wolsey, who was laid to rest in the grounds. He died while en route from York to London on 29 November 1530; a statue of him stands next to the Park's cafe."
> > Let King Richard III go home to York and keep Wolsey, who was Henry VIII's good servant, but unlike Cromwell and Cramner, had limits to what he would and wouldn't do to fufill the unrelenting desires of his King.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Richard Liveth Yet!
>
Re: Richard III and Cardinal Woolsey
2013-02-13 08:46:52
My point was that IF he had said that, he was likely thinking of Middleham rather than York
The question of Leicester or York is NOT settled yet.
There is
a petition to HM Government for York. If that gets 100,000 'signatures'
then an MP willintroduce a private members bill to override the MoJ -\
government trumpsall and HRHwill accept the House of Commons vote on the issue(that's the basis of 'Constitutional Monarchy')
You may recall that the truth about the Hillsborough Stadium disaster was forced out just last year. That was the result of such a petition, which I also 'signed'
So anyone who supports the 'York burial' position should sign the petition, which is open to UK citizens home or abroad.
I have but will of course accept the outcome with equanimity :)
I would like to add a public Thank you very much with your help over the Battlefield location etc
Aidan
________________________________
From: Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@...>
To:
Cc: paul.bale@...
Sent: Wednesday, 13 February 2013 2:32 AM
Subject: Re: Richard III and Cardinal Woolsey
Sorry Aiden there is no evidence to support the idea that Richard wanted
to be buried in Yorkshire, though that may have been his wish up to
1483. But once king he became a man for the entire nation, and was
desperately trying to bring the southern lords on board with his regime.
He wouldn't have done anything as stupid as to alienate them by saying
he wanted to be buried in the north and identify himself as simply a
northern king. Remember what the southerners thought of northerners
only a few years before when Margaret's army was coming south!
Paul
On 12/02/2013 16:39, Aidan Donnelly wrote:
> If not Leicester, why York? I would think when Richard expressed a wish to be buried in Yorkshire, he would have been thinking of Middleham Castle, if was up to me I would have him interred in a church dating to/before his death as near to Middleham Castle as possible
>
> Jus sayin :)
>
> Aidan
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: bkohatl bkohatl@...>
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, 12 February 2013 10:25 PM
> Subject: Richard III and Cardinal Woolsey
>
>
>
> I can't say that I am the first to suggest it, but let King Richard III be buried at York with his wife and son and let the people of Leicester find the remains of Cardinal Wolsey, for, as Wikipedia states: "The abbey ruins contain the memorial to Cardinal Thomas Wolsey, who was laid to rest in the grounds. He died while en route from York to London on 29 November 1530; a statue of him stands next to the Park's cafe."
> Let King Richard III go home to York and keep Wolsey, who was Henry VIII's good servant, but unlike Cromwell and Cramner, had limits to what he would and wouldn't do to fufill the unrelenting desires of his King.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
--
Richard Liveth Yet!
The question of Leicester or York is NOT settled yet.
There is
a petition to HM Government for York. If that gets 100,000 'signatures'
then an MP willintroduce a private members bill to override the MoJ -\
government trumpsall and HRHwill accept the House of Commons vote on the issue(that's the basis of 'Constitutional Monarchy')
You may recall that the truth about the Hillsborough Stadium disaster was forced out just last year. That was the result of such a petition, which I also 'signed'
So anyone who supports the 'York burial' position should sign the petition, which is open to UK citizens home or abroad.
I have but will of course accept the outcome with equanimity :)
I would like to add a public Thank you very much with your help over the Battlefield location etc
Aidan
________________________________
From: Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@...>
To:
Cc: paul.bale@...
Sent: Wednesday, 13 February 2013 2:32 AM
Subject: Re: Richard III and Cardinal Woolsey
Sorry Aiden there is no evidence to support the idea that Richard wanted
to be buried in Yorkshire, though that may have been his wish up to
1483. But once king he became a man for the entire nation, and was
desperately trying to bring the southern lords on board with his regime.
He wouldn't have done anything as stupid as to alienate them by saying
he wanted to be buried in the north and identify himself as simply a
northern king. Remember what the southerners thought of northerners
only a few years before when Margaret's army was coming south!
Paul
On 12/02/2013 16:39, Aidan Donnelly wrote:
> If not Leicester, why York? I would think when Richard expressed a wish to be buried in Yorkshire, he would have been thinking of Middleham Castle, if was up to me I would have him interred in a church dating to/before his death as near to Middleham Castle as possible
>
> Jus sayin :)
>
> Aidan
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: bkohatl bkohatl@...>
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, 12 February 2013 10:25 PM
> Subject: Richard III and Cardinal Woolsey
>
>
>
> I can't say that I am the first to suggest it, but let King Richard III be buried at York with his wife and son and let the people of Leicester find the remains of Cardinal Wolsey, for, as Wikipedia states: "The abbey ruins contain the memorial to Cardinal Thomas Wolsey, who was laid to rest in the grounds. He died while en route from York to London on 29 November 1530; a statue of him stands next to the Park's cafe."
> Let King Richard III go home to York and keep Wolsey, who was Henry VIII's good servant, but unlike Cromwell and Cramner, had limits to what he would and wouldn't do to fufill the unrelenting desires of his King.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
--
Richard Liveth Yet!
Re: Richard III and Cardinal Woolsey
2013-02-13 09:32:22
Sorry Aiden it IS settled. They are not going to go to Parliament for a
debate and change the law just so that the arguments can go on over
Richard's dead body as to where one should butry him.
It was legally, that is LEGALLY, decided before the dig began.
Paul
On 13/02/2013 08:46, Aidan Donnelly wrote:
> My point was that IF he had said that, he was likely thinking of Middleham rather than York
>
> The question of Leicester or York is NOT settled yet.
>
>
> There is
> a petition to HM Government for York. If that gets 100,000 'signatures'
> then an MP willintroduce a private members bill to override the MoJ -\
> government trumpsall and HRHwill accept the House of Commons vote on the issue(that's the basis of 'Constitutional Monarchy')
>
> You may recall that the truth about the Hillsborough Stadium disaster was forced out just last year. That was the result of such a petition, which I also 'signed'
>
> So anyone who supports the 'York burial' position should sign the petition, which is open to UK citizens home or abroad.
>
> I have but will of course accept the outcome with equanimity :)
>
> I would like to add a public Thank you very much with your help over the Battlefield location etc
>
> Aidan
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@...>
> To:
> Cc: paul.bale@...
> Sent: Wednesday, 13 February 2013 2:32 AM
> Subject: Re: Richard III and Cardinal Woolsey
>
>
>
> Sorry Aiden there is no evidence to support the idea that Richard wanted
> to be buried in Yorkshire, though that may have been his wish up to
> 1483. But once king he became a man for the entire nation, and was
> desperately trying to bring the southern lords on board with his regime.
> He wouldn't have done anything as stupid as to alienate them by saying
> he wanted to be buried in the north and identify himself as simply a
> northern king. Remember what the southerners thought of northerners
> only a few years before when Margaret's army was coming south!
> Paul
>
> On 12/02/2013 16:39, Aidan Donnelly wrote:
>> If not Leicester, why York? I would think when Richard expressed a wish to be buried in Yorkshire, he would have been thinking of Middleham Castle, if was up to me I would have him interred in a church dating to/before his death as near to Middleham Castle as possible
>>
>> Jus sayin :)
>>
>> Aidan
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: bkohatl bkohatl@...>
>> To:
>> Sent: Tuesday, 12 February 2013 10:25 PM
>> Subject: Richard III and Cardinal Woolsey
>>
>>
>>
>> I can't say that I am the first to suggest it, but let King Richard III be buried at York with his wife and son and let the people of Leicester find the remains of Cardinal Wolsey, for, as Wikipedia states: "The abbey ruins contain the memorial to Cardinal Thomas Wolsey, who was laid to rest in the grounds. He died while en route from York to London on 29 November 1530; a statue of him stands next to the Park's cafe."
>> Let King Richard III go home to York and keep Wolsey, who was Henry VIII's good servant, but unlike Cromwell and Cramner, had limits to what he would and wouldn't do to fufill the unrelenting desires of his King.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
--
Richard Liveth Yet!
debate and change the law just so that the arguments can go on over
Richard's dead body as to where one should butry him.
It was legally, that is LEGALLY, decided before the dig began.
Paul
On 13/02/2013 08:46, Aidan Donnelly wrote:
> My point was that IF he had said that, he was likely thinking of Middleham rather than York
>
> The question of Leicester or York is NOT settled yet.
>
>
> There is
> a petition to HM Government for York. If that gets 100,000 'signatures'
> then an MP willintroduce a private members bill to override the MoJ -\
> government trumpsall and HRHwill accept the House of Commons vote on the issue(that's the basis of 'Constitutional Monarchy')
>
> You may recall that the truth about the Hillsborough Stadium disaster was forced out just last year. That was the result of such a petition, which I also 'signed'
>
> So anyone who supports the 'York burial' position should sign the petition, which is open to UK citizens home or abroad.
>
> I have but will of course accept the outcome with equanimity :)
>
> I would like to add a public Thank you very much with your help over the Battlefield location etc
>
> Aidan
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@...>
> To:
> Cc: paul.bale@...
> Sent: Wednesday, 13 February 2013 2:32 AM
> Subject: Re: Richard III and Cardinal Woolsey
>
>
>
> Sorry Aiden there is no evidence to support the idea that Richard wanted
> to be buried in Yorkshire, though that may have been his wish up to
> 1483. But once king he became a man for the entire nation, and was
> desperately trying to bring the southern lords on board with his regime.
> He wouldn't have done anything as stupid as to alienate them by saying
> he wanted to be buried in the north and identify himself as simply a
> northern king. Remember what the southerners thought of northerners
> only a few years before when Margaret's army was coming south!
> Paul
>
> On 12/02/2013 16:39, Aidan Donnelly wrote:
>> If not Leicester, why York? I would think when Richard expressed a wish to be buried in Yorkshire, he would have been thinking of Middleham Castle, if was up to me I would have him interred in a church dating to/before his death as near to Middleham Castle as possible
>>
>> Jus sayin :)
>>
>> Aidan
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: bkohatl bkohatl@...>
>> To:
>> Sent: Tuesday, 12 February 2013 10:25 PM
>> Subject: Richard III and Cardinal Woolsey
>>
>>
>>
>> I can't say that I am the first to suggest it, but let King Richard III be buried at York with his wife and son and let the people of Leicester find the remains of Cardinal Wolsey, for, as Wikipedia states: "The abbey ruins contain the memorial to Cardinal Thomas Wolsey, who was laid to rest in the grounds. He died while en route from York to London on 29 November 1530; a statue of him stands next to the Park's cafe."
>> Let King Richard III go home to York and keep Wolsey, who was Henry VIII's good servant, but unlike Cromwell and Cramner, had limits to what he would and wouldn't do to fufill the unrelenting desires of his King.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
--
Richard Liveth Yet!
Re: Richard III and Cardinal Woolsey
2013-02-13 09:37:21
Furthermore, both are victims of the first Tydders in that Wolsey was travelling to London to answer charges of treason when he died. One was stabbed in the front by Henry VII and one in the back by Henry VIII - although Richard and Wolsey are probably reconciled to each other.
----- Original Message -----
From: mcjohn_wt_net
To:
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 12:50 AM
Subject: Re: Richard III and Cardinal Woolsey
The best argument yet for Leicester! Bravo, Paul--given how much north/south friction there was during Richard III's reign, we would do well to keep this in mind.
--- In , Paul Trevor Bale wrote:
>
> Sorry Aiden there is no evidence to support the idea that Richard wanted
> to be buried in Yorkshire, though that may have been his wish up to
> 1483. But once king he became a man for the entire nation, and was
> desperately trying to bring the southern lords on board with his regime.
> He wouldn't have done anything as stupid as to alienate them by saying
> he wanted to be buried in the north and identify himself as simply a
> northern king. Remember what the southerners thought of northerners
> only a few years before when Margaret's army was coming south!
> Paul
>
> On 12/02/2013 16:39, Aidan Donnelly wrote:
> > If not Leicester, why York? I would think when Richard expressed a wish to be buried in Yorkshire, he would have been thinking of Middleham Castle, if was up to me I would have him interred in a church dating to/before his death as near to Middleham Castle as possible
> >
> > Jus sayin :)
> >
> > Aidan
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: bkohatl
> > To:
> > Sent: Tuesday, 12 February 2013 10:25 PM
> > Subject: Richard III and Cardinal Woolsey
> >
> >
> >
> > I can't say that I am the first to suggest it, but let King Richard III be buried at York with his wife and son and let the people of Leicester find the remains of Cardinal Wolsey, for, as Wikipedia states: "The abbey ruins contain the memorial to Cardinal Thomas Wolsey, who was laid to rest in the grounds. He died while en route from York to London on 29 November 1530; a statue of him stands next to the Park's cafe."
> > Let King Richard III go home to York and keep Wolsey, who was Henry VIII's good servant, but unlike Cromwell and Cramner, had limits to what he would and wouldn't do to fufill the unrelenting desires of his King.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Richard Liveth Yet!
>
----- Original Message -----
From: mcjohn_wt_net
To:
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 12:50 AM
Subject: Re: Richard III and Cardinal Woolsey
The best argument yet for Leicester! Bravo, Paul--given how much north/south friction there was during Richard III's reign, we would do well to keep this in mind.
--- In , Paul Trevor Bale wrote:
>
> Sorry Aiden there is no evidence to support the idea that Richard wanted
> to be buried in Yorkshire, though that may have been his wish up to
> 1483. But once king he became a man for the entire nation, and was
> desperately trying to bring the southern lords on board with his regime.
> He wouldn't have done anything as stupid as to alienate them by saying
> he wanted to be buried in the north and identify himself as simply a
> northern king. Remember what the southerners thought of northerners
> only a few years before when Margaret's army was coming south!
> Paul
>
> On 12/02/2013 16:39, Aidan Donnelly wrote:
> > If not Leicester, why York? I would think when Richard expressed a wish to be buried in Yorkshire, he would have been thinking of Middleham Castle, if was up to me I would have him interred in a church dating to/before his death as near to Middleham Castle as possible
> >
> > Jus sayin :)
> >
> > Aidan
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: bkohatl
> > To:
> > Sent: Tuesday, 12 February 2013 10:25 PM
> > Subject: Richard III and Cardinal Woolsey
> >
> >
> >
> > I can't say that I am the first to suggest it, but let King Richard III be buried at York with his wife and son and let the people of Leicester find the remains of Cardinal Wolsey, for, as Wikipedia states: "The abbey ruins contain the memorial to Cardinal Thomas Wolsey, who was laid to rest in the grounds. He died while en route from York to London on 29 November 1530; a statue of him stands next to the Park's cafe."
> > Let King Richard III go home to York and keep Wolsey, who was Henry VIII's good servant, but unlike Cromwell and Cramner, had limits to what he would and wouldn't do to fufill the unrelenting desires of his King.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Richard Liveth Yet!
>
Re: Richard III and Cardinal Woolsey
2013-02-13 15:56:22
I believe that question is settled, Aidan, in that York Minster has issued a statement to the effect that it will not be requesting that Richard is buried there.
Marie
--- In , Aidan Donnelly wrote:
>
> My point was that IF he had said that, he was likely thinking of Middleham rather than York
>
> The question of Leicester or York is NOT settled yet.
>
>
> Â There is
> a petition to HM Government for York. If that gets 100,000 'signatures'
> then an MP willintroduce a private members bill to override the MoJ -\
> Â government trumpsall and HRHwill accept the House of Commons vote on the issue(that's the basis of 'Constitutional Monarchy')
>
> You may recall that the truth about the Hillsborough Stadium disaster was forced out just last year. That was the result of such a petition, which I also 'signed'
>
> So anyone who supports the 'York burial' position should sign the petition, which is open to UK citizens home or abroad.
>
> I have but will of course accept the outcome with equanimity :)
>
> I would like to add a public Thank you very much with your help over the Battlefield location etc
>
> Aidan
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Paul Trevor Bale
> To:
> Cc: paul.bale@...
> Sent: Wednesday, 13 February 2013 2:32 AM
> Subject: Re: Richard III and Cardinal Woolsey
>
>
> Â
> Sorry Aiden there is no evidence to support the idea that Richard wanted
> to be buried in Yorkshire, though that may have been his wish up to
> 1483. But once king he became a man for the entire nation, and was
> desperately trying to bring the southern lords on board with his regime.
> He wouldn't have done anything as stupid as to alienate them by saying
> he wanted to be buried in the north and identify himself as simply a
> northern king. Remember what the southerners thought of northerners
> only a few years before when Margaret's army was coming south!
> Paul
>
> On 12/02/2013 16:39, Aidan Donnelly wrote:
> > If not Leicester, why York? I would think when Richard expressed a wish to be buried in Yorkshire, he would have been thinking of Middleham Castle, if was up to me I would have him interred in a church dating to/before his death as near to Middleham Castle as possible
> >
> > Jus sayin :)
> >
> > Aidan
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: bkohatl bkohatl@...>
> > To:
> > Sent: Tuesday, 12 February 2013 10:25 PM
> > Subject: Richard III and Cardinal Woolsey
> >
> >
> >
> > I can't say that I am the first to suggest it, but let King Richard III be buried at York with his wife and son and let the people of Leicester find the remains of Cardinal Wolsey, for, as Wikipedia states: "The abbey ruins contain the memorial to Cardinal Thomas Wolsey, who was laid to rest in the grounds. He died while en route from York to London on 29 November 1530; a statue of him stands next to the Park's cafe."
> > Let King Richard III go home to York and keep Wolsey, who was Henry VIII's good servant, but unlike Cromwell and Cramner, had limits to what he would and wouldn't do to fufill the unrelenting desires of his King.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Richard Liveth Yet!
>
>
>
>
>
>
Marie
--- In , Aidan Donnelly wrote:
>
> My point was that IF he had said that, he was likely thinking of Middleham rather than York
>
> The question of Leicester or York is NOT settled yet.
>
>
> Â There is
> a petition to HM Government for York. If that gets 100,000 'signatures'
> then an MP willintroduce a private members bill to override the MoJ -\
> Â government trumpsall and HRHwill accept the House of Commons vote on the issue(that's the basis of 'Constitutional Monarchy')
>
> You may recall that the truth about the Hillsborough Stadium disaster was forced out just last year. That was the result of such a petition, which I also 'signed'
>
> So anyone who supports the 'York burial' position should sign the petition, which is open to UK citizens home or abroad.
>
> I have but will of course accept the outcome with equanimity :)
>
> I would like to add a public Thank you very much with your help over the Battlefield location etc
>
> Aidan
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Paul Trevor Bale
> To:
> Cc: paul.bale@...
> Sent: Wednesday, 13 February 2013 2:32 AM
> Subject: Re: Richard III and Cardinal Woolsey
>
>
> Â
> Sorry Aiden there is no evidence to support the idea that Richard wanted
> to be buried in Yorkshire, though that may have been his wish up to
> 1483. But once king he became a man for the entire nation, and was
> desperately trying to bring the southern lords on board with his regime.
> He wouldn't have done anything as stupid as to alienate them by saying
> he wanted to be buried in the north and identify himself as simply a
> northern king. Remember what the southerners thought of northerners
> only a few years before when Margaret's army was coming south!
> Paul
>
> On 12/02/2013 16:39, Aidan Donnelly wrote:
> > If not Leicester, why York? I would think when Richard expressed a wish to be buried in Yorkshire, he would have been thinking of Middleham Castle, if was up to me I would have him interred in a church dating to/before his death as near to Middleham Castle as possible
> >
> > Jus sayin :)
> >
> > Aidan
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: bkohatl bkohatl@...>
> > To:
> > Sent: Tuesday, 12 February 2013 10:25 PM
> > Subject: Richard III and Cardinal Woolsey
> >
> >
> >
> > I can't say that I am the first to suggest it, but let King Richard III be buried at York with his wife and son and let the people of Leicester find the remains of Cardinal Wolsey, for, as Wikipedia states: "The abbey ruins contain the memorial to Cardinal Thomas Wolsey, who was laid to rest in the grounds. He died while en route from York to London on 29 November 1530; a statue of him stands next to the Park's cafe."
> > Let King Richard III go home to York and keep Wolsey, who was Henry VIII's good servant, but unlike Cromwell and Cramner, had limits to what he would and wouldn't do to fufill the unrelenting desires of his King.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Richard Liveth Yet!
>
>
>
>
>
>
Re: Richard III and Cardinal Woolsey
2013-02-13 16:46:34
You can't change history either, Richard was killed in Leicester and was buried there. The people of Leicester have commemorated him over the years naming roads and schools after him. Someone posted on here a few months ago that she had been to Leicester Cathedral and she felt that it was a good place for Richard to be buried. He will be the only King to be buried there and quite frankly who would want him to be in Westminster Abbey with the Tudor. York have not been exactly falling over themselves to have him either. However, I believe it is the law that bones are buried near to where they are found within a certain time.
--- In , Paul Trevor Bale wrote:
>
> Sorry Aiden it IS settled. They are not going to go to Parliament for a
> debate and change the law just so that the arguments can go on over
> Richard's dead body as to where one should butry him.
> It was legally, that is LEGALLY, decided before the dig began.
> Paul
>
> On 13/02/2013 08:46, Aidan Donnelly wrote:
> > My point was that IF he had said that, he was likely thinking of Middleham rather than York
> >
> > The question of Leicester or York is NOT settled yet.
> >
> >
> > There is
> > a petition to HM Government for York. If that gets 100,000 'signatures'
> > then an MP willintroduce a private members bill to override the MoJ -\
> > government trumpsall and HRHwill accept the House of Commons vote on the issue(that's the basis of 'Constitutional Monarchy')
> >
> > You may recall that the truth about the Hillsborough Stadium disaster was forced out just last year. That was the result of such a petition, which I also 'signed'
> >
> > So anyone who supports the 'York burial' position should sign the petition, which is open to UK citizens home or abroad.
> >
> > I have but will of course accept the outcome with equanimity :)
> >
> > I would like to add a public Thank you very much with your help over the Battlefield location etc
> >
> > Aidan
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Paul Trevor Bale
> > To:
> > Cc: paul.bale@...
> > Sent: Wednesday, 13 February 2013 2:32 AM
> > Subject: Re: Richard III and Cardinal Woolsey
> >
> >
> >
> > Sorry Aiden there is no evidence to support the idea that Richard wanted
> > to be buried in Yorkshire, though that may have been his wish up to
> > 1483. But once king he became a man for the entire nation, and was
> > desperately trying to bring the southern lords on board with his regime.
> > He wouldn't have done anything as stupid as to alienate them by saying
> > he wanted to be buried in the north and identify himself as simply a
> > northern king. Remember what the southerners thought of northerners
> > only a few years before when Margaret's army was coming south!
> > Paul
> >
> > On 12/02/2013 16:39, Aidan Donnelly wrote:
> >> If not Leicester, why York? I would think when Richard expressed a wish to be buried in Yorkshire, he would have been thinking of Middleham Castle, if was up to me I would have him interred in a church dating to/before his death as near to Middleham Castle as possible
> >>
> >> Jus sayin :)
> >>
> >> Aidan
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: bkohatl bkohatl@...>
> >> To:
> >> Sent: Tuesday, 12 February 2013 10:25 PM
> >> Subject: Richard III and Cardinal Woolsey
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I can't say that I am the first to suggest it, but let King Richard III be buried at York with his wife and son and let the people of Leicester find the remains of Cardinal Wolsey, for, as Wikipedia states: "The abbey ruins contain the memorial to Cardinal Thomas Wolsey, who was laid to rest in the grounds. He died while en route from York to London on 29 November 1530; a statue of him stands next to the Park's cafe."
> >> Let King Richard III go home to York and keep Wolsey, who was Henry VIII's good servant, but unlike Cromwell and Cramner, had limits to what he would and wouldn't do to fufill the unrelenting desires of his King.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------------
> >>
> >> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
> --
> Richard Liveth Yet!
>
--- In , Paul Trevor Bale wrote:
>
> Sorry Aiden it IS settled. They are not going to go to Parliament for a
> debate and change the law just so that the arguments can go on over
> Richard's dead body as to where one should butry him.
> It was legally, that is LEGALLY, decided before the dig began.
> Paul
>
> On 13/02/2013 08:46, Aidan Donnelly wrote:
> > My point was that IF he had said that, he was likely thinking of Middleham rather than York
> >
> > The question of Leicester or York is NOT settled yet.
> >
> >
> > There is
> > a petition to HM Government for York. If that gets 100,000 'signatures'
> > then an MP willintroduce a private members bill to override the MoJ -\
> > government trumpsall and HRHwill accept the House of Commons vote on the issue(that's the basis of 'Constitutional Monarchy')
> >
> > You may recall that the truth about the Hillsborough Stadium disaster was forced out just last year. That was the result of such a petition, which I also 'signed'
> >
> > So anyone who supports the 'York burial' position should sign the petition, which is open to UK citizens home or abroad.
> >
> > I have but will of course accept the outcome with equanimity :)
> >
> > I would like to add a public Thank you very much with your help over the Battlefield location etc
> >
> > Aidan
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Paul Trevor Bale
> > To:
> > Cc: paul.bale@...
> > Sent: Wednesday, 13 February 2013 2:32 AM
> > Subject: Re: Richard III and Cardinal Woolsey
> >
> >
> >
> > Sorry Aiden there is no evidence to support the idea that Richard wanted
> > to be buried in Yorkshire, though that may have been his wish up to
> > 1483. But once king he became a man for the entire nation, and was
> > desperately trying to bring the southern lords on board with his regime.
> > He wouldn't have done anything as stupid as to alienate them by saying
> > he wanted to be buried in the north and identify himself as simply a
> > northern king. Remember what the southerners thought of northerners
> > only a few years before when Margaret's army was coming south!
> > Paul
> >
> > On 12/02/2013 16:39, Aidan Donnelly wrote:
> >> If not Leicester, why York? I would think when Richard expressed a wish to be buried in Yorkshire, he would have been thinking of Middleham Castle, if was up to me I would have him interred in a church dating to/before his death as near to Middleham Castle as possible
> >>
> >> Jus sayin :)
> >>
> >> Aidan
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: bkohatl bkohatl@...>
> >> To:
> >> Sent: Tuesday, 12 February 2013 10:25 PM
> >> Subject: Richard III and Cardinal Woolsey
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I can't say that I am the first to suggest it, but let King Richard III be buried at York with his wife and son and let the people of Leicester find the remains of Cardinal Wolsey, for, as Wikipedia states: "The abbey ruins contain the memorial to Cardinal Thomas Wolsey, who was laid to rest in the grounds. He died while en route from York to London on 29 November 1530; a statue of him stands next to the Park's cafe."
> >> Let King Richard III go home to York and keep Wolsey, who was Henry VIII's good servant, but unlike Cromwell and Cramner, had limits to what he would and wouldn't do to fufill the unrelenting desires of his King.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------------
> >>
> >> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
>
> --
> Richard Liveth Yet!
>
Re: Richard III and Cardinal Woolsey
2013-02-13 17:03:09
I am a little tired of this, and being told it's 'settled'
I am NOT talking about some facebook petition, I am talking about a registered petition on HM Governments e-petition site.
http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/
The petition is an official e-petition and until it's time runs out on the 24th September, nothing can be done.
If it fails to get 100,000 names then it fails, the issue is settled and Leicester it is.
If it reaches the necessary 100,000 -then an MP can (and a Yorkshire MP almost certainly will), propose a private members bill to the backbench committee and if
considered that it meets their criteria it will be scheduled for debate in the House of Commons.
They then debate it and vote
If they vote No on the bill then it's settled and Leicester it is
If they vote Yes on the bill then it is settled and it will be York.
I would have thought UK citizens at least would know that a vote in the House of Commons ALWAYS trumps any other consideration. This is the Highest Legislative body in the UK
Go to the site and read through, follow the links that explain how it all works, but without doubt if it gets to a Bill before the House, the Houses decision WILL STAND.
Therefore as I said - it is NOT settled. Finish. End of Story - until either the petition fails or doesn't get past the backbench committee or the House rejects it.
I have already said that if the end result is that Richard is interred in Leicester I won't be all that bothered myself - from a tourist point of view it keeps Tomb, permanent exhibition and Battle Site all within easy distance, which is probably a good thing.
So now can we drop this and stop arguing with me ?- all I am pointing out is the legislative position at this time.
Thank You
Aidan
________________________________
From: mariewalsh2003 <[email protected]>
To:
Sent: Wednesday, 13 February 2013 11:56 PM
Subject: Re: Richard III and Cardinal Woolsey
I believe that question is settled, Aidan, in that York Minster has issued a statement to the effect that it will not be requesting that Richard is buried there.
Marie
--- In , Aidan Donnelly wrote:
>
> My point was that IF he had said that, he was likely thinking of Middleham rather than York
>
> The question of Leicester or York is NOT settled yet.
>
>
> Â There is
> a petition to HM Government for York. If that gets 100,000 'signatures'
> then an MP willintroduce a private members bill to override the MoJ -\
> Â government trumpsall and HRHwill accept the House of Commons vote on the issue(that's the basis of 'Constitutional Monarchy')
>
> You may recall that the truth about the Hillsborough Stadium disaster was forced out just last year. That was the result of such a petition, which I also 'signed'
>
> So anyone who supports the 'York burial' position should sign the petition, which is open to UK citizens home or abroad.
>
> I have but will of course accept the outcome with equanimity :)
>
> I would like to add a public Thank you very much with your help over the Battlefield location etc
>
> Aidan
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Paul Trevor Bale
> To:
> Cc: paul.bale@...
> Sent: Wednesday, 13 February 2013 2:32 AM
> Subject: Re: Richard III and Cardinal Woolsey
>
>
> Â
> Sorry Aiden there is no evidence to support the idea that Richard wanted
> to be buried in Yorkshire, though that may have been his wish up to
> 1483. But once king he became a man for the entire nation, and was
> desperately trying to bring the southern lords on board with his regime.
> He wouldn't have done anything as stupid as to alienate them by saying
> he wanted to be buried in the north and identify himself as simply a
> northern king. Remember what the southerners thought of northerners
> only a few years before when Margaret's army was coming south!
> Paul
>
> On 12/02/2013 16:39, Aidan Donnelly wrote:
> > If not Leicester, why York? I would think when Richard expressed a wish to be buried in Yorkshire, he would have been thinking of Middleham Castle, if was up to me I would have him interred in a church dating to/before his death as near to Middleham Castle as possible
> >
> > Jus sayin :)
> >
> > Aidan
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: bkohatl bkohatl@...>
> > To:
> > Sent: Tuesday, 12 February 2013 10:25 PM
> > Subject: Richard III and Cardinal Woolsey
> >
> >
> >
> > I can't say that I am the first to suggest it, but let King Richard III be buried at York with his wife and son and let the people of Leicester find the remains of Cardinal Wolsey, for, as Wikipedia states: "The abbey ruins contain the memorial to Cardinal Thomas Wolsey, who was laid to rest in the grounds. He died while en route from York to London on 29 November 1530; a statue of him stands next to the Park's cafe."
> > Let King Richard III go home to York and keep Wolsey, who was Henry VIII's good servant, but unlike Cromwell and Cramner, had limits to what he would and wouldn't do to fufill the unrelenting desires of his King.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Richard Liveth Yet!
>
>
>
>
>
>
I am NOT talking about some facebook petition, I am talking about a registered petition on HM Governments e-petition site.
http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/
The petition is an official e-petition and until it's time runs out on the 24th September, nothing can be done.
If it fails to get 100,000 names then it fails, the issue is settled and Leicester it is.
If it reaches the necessary 100,000 -then an MP can (and a Yorkshire MP almost certainly will), propose a private members bill to the backbench committee and if
considered that it meets their criteria it will be scheduled for debate in the House of Commons.
They then debate it and vote
If they vote No on the bill then it's settled and Leicester it is
If they vote Yes on the bill then it is settled and it will be York.
I would have thought UK citizens at least would know that a vote in the House of Commons ALWAYS trumps any other consideration. This is the Highest Legislative body in the UK
Go to the site and read through, follow the links that explain how it all works, but without doubt if it gets to a Bill before the House, the Houses decision WILL STAND.
Therefore as I said - it is NOT settled. Finish. End of Story - until either the petition fails or doesn't get past the backbench committee or the House rejects it.
I have already said that if the end result is that Richard is interred in Leicester I won't be all that bothered myself - from a tourist point of view it keeps Tomb, permanent exhibition and Battle Site all within easy distance, which is probably a good thing.
So now can we drop this and stop arguing with me ?- all I am pointing out is the legislative position at this time.
Thank You
Aidan
________________________________
From: mariewalsh2003 <[email protected]>
To:
Sent: Wednesday, 13 February 2013 11:56 PM
Subject: Re: Richard III and Cardinal Woolsey
I believe that question is settled, Aidan, in that York Minster has issued a statement to the effect that it will not be requesting that Richard is buried there.
Marie
--- In , Aidan Donnelly wrote:
>
> My point was that IF he had said that, he was likely thinking of Middleham rather than York
>
> The question of Leicester or York is NOT settled yet.
>
>
> Â There is
> a petition to HM Government for York. If that gets 100,000 'signatures'
> then an MP willintroduce a private members bill to override the MoJ -\
> Â government trumpsall and HRHwill accept the House of Commons vote on the issue(that's the basis of 'Constitutional Monarchy')
>
> You may recall that the truth about the Hillsborough Stadium disaster was forced out just last year. That was the result of such a petition, which I also 'signed'
>
> So anyone who supports the 'York burial' position should sign the petition, which is open to UK citizens home or abroad.
>
> I have but will of course accept the outcome with equanimity :)
>
> I would like to add a public Thank you very much with your help over the Battlefield location etc
>
> Aidan
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Paul Trevor Bale
> To:
> Cc: paul.bale@...
> Sent: Wednesday, 13 February 2013 2:32 AM
> Subject: Re: Richard III and Cardinal Woolsey
>
>
> Â
> Sorry Aiden there is no evidence to support the idea that Richard wanted
> to be buried in Yorkshire, though that may have been his wish up to
> 1483. But once king he became a man for the entire nation, and was
> desperately trying to bring the southern lords on board with his regime.
> He wouldn't have done anything as stupid as to alienate them by saying
> he wanted to be buried in the north and identify himself as simply a
> northern king. Remember what the southerners thought of northerners
> only a few years before when Margaret's army was coming south!
> Paul
>
> On 12/02/2013 16:39, Aidan Donnelly wrote:
> > If not Leicester, why York? I would think when Richard expressed a wish to be buried in Yorkshire, he would have been thinking of Middleham Castle, if was up to me I would have him interred in a church dating to/before his death as near to Middleham Castle as possible
> >
> > Jus sayin :)
> >
> > Aidan
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: bkohatl bkohatl@...>
> > To:
> > Sent: Tuesday, 12 February 2013 10:25 PM
> > Subject: Richard III and Cardinal Woolsey
> >
> >
> >
> > I can't say that I am the first to suggest it, but let King Richard III be buried at York with his wife and son and let the people of Leicester find the remains of Cardinal Wolsey, for, as Wikipedia states: "The abbey ruins contain the memorial to Cardinal Thomas Wolsey, who was laid to rest in the grounds. He died while en route from York to London on 29 November 1530; a statue of him stands next to the Park's cafe."
> > Let King Richard III go home to York and keep Wolsey, who was Henry VIII's good servant, but unlike Cromwell and Cramner, had limits to what he would and wouldn't do to fufill the unrelenting desires of his King.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Richard Liveth Yet!
>
>
>
>
>
>
Re: Richard III and Cardinal Woolsey
2013-02-14 00:14:48
Aidan Donnelly wrote:
>
>
>
> I am a little tired of this, and being told it's 'settled'
>
> I am NOT talking about some facebook petition, I am talking about a registered petition on HM Governments e-petition site.
>
> http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/ [snip]
Carol responds:
Aidan, we know about the petition, but it has apparently been rejected--or rather, York Minster has conceded the field to Leicester despite the feeling of some of its citizens as reflected in the petition. Have you seen this article?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-21373538
It's the reason that everyone keeps telling you that it's settled.
Carol
>
>
>
> I am a little tired of this, and being told it's 'settled'
>
> I am NOT talking about some facebook petition, I am talking about a registered petition on HM Governments e-petition site.
>
> http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/ [snip]
Carol responds:
Aidan, we know about the petition, but it has apparently been rejected--or rather, York Minster has conceded the field to Leicester despite the feeling of some of its citizens as reflected in the petition. Have you seen this article?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-21373538
It's the reason that everyone keeps telling you that it's settled.
Carol
Re: Richard III and Cardinal Woolsey
2013-02-14 00:46:58
My very last word. If HM Gov thought it was settled they would put that and their reason and closed the petition - it is still open and has gained over 2,000 signatures since yesterday.
________________________________
From: justcarol67 <justcarol67@...>
To:
Sent: Thursday, 14 February 2013 8:14 AM
Subject: Re: Richard III and Cardinal Woolsey
Aidan Donnelly wrote:
>
>
>
> I am a little tired of this, and being told it's 'settled'
>
> I am NOT talking about some facebook petition, I am talking about a registered petition on HM Governments e-petition site.
>
> http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/ [snip]
Carol responds:
Aidan, we know about the petition, but it has apparently been rejected--or rather, York Minster has conceded the field to Leicester despite the feeling of some of its citizens as reflected in the petition. Have you seen this article?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-21373538
It's the reason that everyone keeps telling you that it's settled.
Carol
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From: justcarol67 <justcarol67@...>
To:
Sent: Thursday, 14 February 2013 8:14 AM
Subject: Re: Richard III and Cardinal Woolsey
Aidan Donnelly wrote:
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> I am a little tired of this, and being told it's 'settled'
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> I am NOT talking about some facebook petition, I am talking about a registered petition on HM Governments e-petition site.
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> http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/ [snip]
Carol responds:
Aidan, we know about the petition, but it has apparently been rejected--or rather, York Minster has conceded the field to Leicester despite the feeling of some of its citizens as reflected in the petition. Have you seen this article?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-21373538
It's the reason that everyone keeps telling you that it's settled.
Carol
Re: Richard III and Cardinal Woolsey
2013-02-14 10:14:36
I agree that York Minster's statement makes it seem quite settled but equally, quite rightly, the e-petition continues to grow. Yesterday there was news in the York Press that a number of MP's are prepared to bring an Early Day Motion to request Richard's remains be returned to York and there is a growing sense of frustration that the decision over the re-interment of a king of England has been decided behind the scenes quite some time prior to the announcement to the public that it is indeed Richard. This fait accompli is not seemly, esp since the Society executive (or whoever represented the Society when agreeing that Leicester was fine for the re-burial) did not even consult its membership, and do not seem to have considered that Richard might have wished to be buried elsewhere. There is an unseemly hurry to get everything tied down within even ten days of the public knowing these remains are Richard. And Leicester Uni is under no obligation to re-inter the remains at Leicester Cathedral - any consecrated ground of their choice is an option under the terms of the exhumation licence. York Minster are in a difficult position - their Dean was Dean of Leicester for ten years - and it should not be a wrangle between places and those places' own wishes/desires but a decision that considers where Richard would possibly have wished to be buried. And why - when a king's likely remains were found, was it left to the University to decide where they should be re-interred? This should have been a nationally gathered group, in public, to discuss the possibilities and then only after the "announcement". Currently the prevailing mood is "acquiesce, even if you know he is being buried in entirely the least appropriate place, and even if the "decision-makers" are hustling the process so quickly that those who think/feel differently can't present their case".
Those who are happy with Leicester are quite within their rights to say "it's all done and dusted, get used to it", and those who are distinctly unhappy with Leicester and also extremely concerned about the process that has brought us to this point are entitled to keep talking about it and also to make efforts to halt the assumption that it should be Leicester.
Wherever else he could have wished to be buried, Richard would not have chosen Leicester parish church (now Cathedral).
--- In , Aidan Donnelly wrote:
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> My very last word. If HM Gov thought it was settled they would put that and their reason and closed the petition - it is still open and has gained over 2,000 signatures since yesterday.
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> From: justcarol67
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, 14 February 2013 8:14 AM
> Subject: Re: Richard III and Cardinal Woolsey
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> Aidan Donnelly wrote:
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> > I am a little tired of this, and being told it's 'settled'
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> > I am NOT talking about some facebook petition, I am talking about a registered petition on HM Governments e-petition site.
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> > http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/ [snip]
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> Carol responds:
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> Aidan, we know about the petition, but it has apparently been rejected--or rather, York Minster has conceded the field to Leicester despite the feeling of some of its citizens as reflected in the petition. Have you seen this article?
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> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-21373538
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> It's the reason that everyone keeps telling you that it's settled.
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> Carol
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Those who are happy with Leicester are quite within their rights to say "it's all done and dusted, get used to it", and those who are distinctly unhappy with Leicester and also extremely concerned about the process that has brought us to this point are entitled to keep talking about it and also to make efforts to halt the assumption that it should be Leicester.
Wherever else he could have wished to be buried, Richard would not have chosen Leicester parish church (now Cathedral).
--- In , Aidan Donnelly wrote:
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> My very last word. If HM Gov thought it was settled they would put that and their reason and closed the petition - it is still open and has gained over 2,000 signatures since yesterday.
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> ________________________________
> From: justcarol67
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, 14 February 2013 8:14 AM
> Subject: Re: Richard III and Cardinal Woolsey
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> Â
> Aidan Donnelly wrote:
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> > I am a little tired of this, and being told it's 'settled'
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> > I am NOT talking about some facebook petition, I am talking about a registered petition on HM Governments e-petition site.
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> > http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/ [snip]
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> Carol responds:
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> Aidan, we know about the petition, but it has apparently been rejected--or rather, York Minster has conceded the field to Leicester despite the feeling of some of its citizens as reflected in the petition. Have you seen this article?
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> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-21373538
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> It's the reason that everyone keeps telling you that it's settled.
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> Carol
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Re: Richard III and Cardinal Woolsey
2013-02-14 14:34:08
In , colyngbourne wrote:
"This fait accompli is not seemly....."
What is "not seemly" is the bickering over a king's remains like spoiled children screaming "Mine! Mine! Mine!"
"This fait accompli is not seemly....."
What is "not seemly" is the bickering over a king's remains like spoiled children screaming "Mine! Mine! Mine!"
Re: Richard III and Cardinal Woolsey
2013-02-14 14:39:56
Well said, Geof. This whole thing runs the risk of turning all concerned into a laughing stock.
Geof <fairyfeller@...> wrote:
In , colyngbourne wrote:
"This fait accompli is not seemly....."
What is "not seemly" is the bickering over a king's remains like spoiled children screaming "Mine! Mine! Mine!"
Geof <fairyfeller@...> wrote:
In , colyngbourne wrote:
"This fait accompli is not seemly....."
What is "not seemly" is the bickering over a king's remains like spoiled children screaming "Mine! Mine! Mine!"
Re: Richard III and Cardinal Woolsey
2013-02-14 19:09:15
Yes, indeedy, what would the king himself say? I just wish someone would come up with a contemporary letter from Richard saying, "I wish my abused, mangled, mattock-thwacked, Tudor-reviled remains put to their earthly rest [__here___]."
Or, alternately, I'd like a medium to channel the message, "I left my bones behind long ago. Do what you will with them, the vehicle they were means as much to me now as scrap-metal in a junk-yard does to you. May they contribute much to the coffers of wherever they end up. Sekrit message to Philippa and all others who don't want to own me: This too shall pass. Love, Richard."
~Weds
--- In , "Geof" wrote:
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> In , colyngbourne wrote:
> "This fait accompli is not seemly....."
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> What is "not seemly" is the bickering over a king's remains like spoiled children screaming "Mine! Mine! Mine!"
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Or, alternately, I'd like a medium to channel the message, "I left my bones behind long ago. Do what you will with them, the vehicle they were means as much to me now as scrap-metal in a junk-yard does to you. May they contribute much to the coffers of wherever they end up. Sekrit message to Philippa and all others who don't want to own me: This too shall pass. Love, Richard."
~Weds
--- In , "Geof" wrote:
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> In , colyngbourne wrote:
> "This fait accompli is not seemly....."
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> What is "not seemly" is the bickering over a king's remains like spoiled children screaming "Mine! Mine! Mine!"
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