Tomb
Tomb
2013-02-13 09:28:25
I have just looked at the tomb design. I think it beautiful and
dignified, eith Richard's motto and badge to the fore, just as he would
have wanted.
Paul
-- Richard Liveth Yet!
dignified, eith Richard's motto and badge to the fore, just as he would
have wanted.
Paul
-- Richard Liveth Yet!
Re: Tomb
2013-02-13 09:38:18
I do agree Paul. Modest but beautiful, as befits the man.
--- In , Paul Trevor Bale wrote:
>
> I have just looked at the tomb design. I think it beautiful and
> dignified, eith Richard's motto and badge to the fore, just as he would
> have wanted.
> Paul
>
> -- Richard Liveth Yet!
>
--- In , Paul Trevor Bale wrote:
>
> I have just looked at the tomb design. I think it beautiful and
> dignified, eith Richard's motto and badge to the fore, just as he would
> have wanted.
> Paul
>
> -- Richard Liveth Yet!
>
Re: Tomb
2013-02-13 14:23:41
I agree with you Paul that the conceptual design for the tomb of R3 is both dignified and well thought out.
Perhaps the stone could come from Yorkshire so that he could always be surrounded by his "family"
Having a pseudo medieval tomb with his effigy in the form of a knight I feel would be both tacky and almost Disney like in its concept. It would not be in keeping with the solemn and respectful surroundings of a cathedral.( We could not hope to replicate something on the lines of The Black Prince)
I am sure that once he is reinterred in surroundings fit for a King then he can once more rest in peace.
George
Sent from my iPad
On Feb 13, 2013, at 4:28 AM, Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@...> wrote:
> I have just looked at the tomb design. I think it beautiful and
> dignified, eith Richard's motto and badge to the fore, just as he would
> have wanted.
> Paul
>
> -- Richard Liveth Yet!
>
Perhaps the stone could come from Yorkshire so that he could always be surrounded by his "family"
Having a pseudo medieval tomb with his effigy in the form of a knight I feel would be both tacky and almost Disney like in its concept. It would not be in keeping with the solemn and respectful surroundings of a cathedral.( We could not hope to replicate something on the lines of The Black Prince)
I am sure that once he is reinterred in surroundings fit for a King then he can once more rest in peace.
George
Sent from my iPad
On Feb 13, 2013, at 4:28 AM, Paul Trevor Bale <paul.bale@...> wrote:
> I have just looked at the tomb design. I think it beautiful and
> dignified, eith Richard's motto and badge to the fore, just as he would
> have wanted.
> Paul
>
> -- Richard Liveth Yet!
>
Re: Tomb
2013-02-13 16:42:42
Paul Trevor Bale wrote:
"I have just looked at the tomb design. I think it beautiful and dignified,
eith Richard's motto and badge to the fore, just as he would have wanted."
"Dignified" was my first thought, as well. Simple, in the best sense of the
word, and dignified.
Doug
"I have just looked at the tomb design. I think it beautiful and dignified,
eith Richard's motto and badge to the fore, just as he would have wanted."
"Dignified" was my first thought, as well. Simple, in the best sense of the
word, and dignified.
Doug
Re: Tomb
2013-02-13 18:01:36
Yes...although I would have liked to see something slightly less plain I was also worried that if they put a reclining figure on top it might be similar to that awful statue of Richard at Middleham Castle....I can never make out if he is supposed to be getting up or just about to sit down...Eileen
--- In , "Douglas Eugene Stamate" wrote:
>
>
> Paul Trevor Bale wrote:
>
> "I have just looked at the tomb design. I think it beautiful and dignified,
> eith Richard's motto and badge to the fore, just as he would have wanted."
>
> "Dignified" was my first thought, as well. Simple, in the best sense of the
> word, and dignified.
> Doug
>
--- In , "Douglas Eugene Stamate" wrote:
>
>
> Paul Trevor Bale wrote:
>
> "I have just looked at the tomb design. I think it beautiful and dignified,
> eith Richard's motto and badge to the fore, just as he would have wanted."
>
> "Dignified" was my first thought, as well. Simple, in the best sense of the
> word, and dignified.
> Doug
>
Re: Tomb
2013-02-13 19:20:29
I have to ask, what is that reptilian thing climbing up the back of the statue at Middleham supposed to be/represent? And why doesn't the statue have any arms? It's disturbing, but then again, mebbe it's meant to be.
I like the plainness of the tomb's initial design: it might make some people curious to know more (e.g., what he looked like) and research him on their own.
~Weds
--- In , "EileenB" wrote:
>
> Yes...although I would have liked to see something slightly less plain I was also worried that if they put a reclining figure on top it might be similar to that awful statue of Richard at Middleham Castle....I can never make out if he is supposed to be getting up or just about to sit down...Eileen
I like the plainness of the tomb's initial design: it might make some people curious to know more (e.g., what he looked like) and research him on their own.
~Weds
--- In , "EileenB" wrote:
>
> Yes...although I would have liked to see something slightly less plain I was also worried that if they put a reclining figure on top it might be similar to that awful statue of Richard at Middleham Castle....I can never make out if he is supposed to be getting up or just about to sit down...Eileen
Re: Tomb
2013-02-13 19:48:58
I dont think it is reptilian...I think it is a parachute...Eileen
--- In , "wednesday_mc" wrote:
>
> I have to ask, what is that reptilian thing climbing up the back of the statue at Middleham supposed to be/represent? And why doesn't the statue have any arms? It's disturbing, but then again, mebbe it's meant to be.
>
> I like the plainness of the tomb's initial design: it might make some people curious to know more (e.g., what he looked like) and research him on their own.
>
> ~Weds
>
> --- In , "EileenB" wrote:
> >
> > Yes...although I would have liked to see something slightly less plain I was also worried that if they put a reclining figure on top it might be similar to that awful statue of Richard at Middleham Castle....I can never make out if he is supposed to be getting up or just about to sit down...Eileen
>
--- In , "wednesday_mc" wrote:
>
> I have to ask, what is that reptilian thing climbing up the back of the statue at Middleham supposed to be/represent? And why doesn't the statue have any arms? It's disturbing, but then again, mebbe it's meant to be.
>
> I like the plainness of the tomb's initial design: it might make some people curious to know more (e.g., what he looked like) and research him on their own.
>
> ~Weds
>
> --- In , "EileenB" wrote:
> >
> > Yes...although I would have liked to see something slightly less plain I was also worried that if they put a reclining figure on top it might be similar to that awful statue of Richard at Middleham Castle....I can never make out if he is supposed to be getting up or just about to sit down...Eileen
>
Re: Tomb
2013-02-13 20:00:59
From the RIII Society website:
"A few years ago, a rather controversial statue of Richard III was
erected in the bailey, close to the entrance. The sculptor, Linda
Thompson, has tried to portray various descriptions of Richard,
including the good king and the Shakespearian villain. A basilisk is
partially visible behind Richard, its tail curling over his right
shoulder to form part of the livery collar."
I do remember reading more about the Middleham statue, but I don't remember where now...
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Da: EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@...>
A:
Inviato: Mercoledì 13 Febbraio 2013 20:48
Oggetto: Re: Tomb
I dont think it is reptilian...I think it is a parachute...Eileen
--- In , "wednesday_mc" wrote:
>
> I have to ask, what is that reptilian thing climbing up the back of the statue at Middleham supposed to be/represent? And why doesn't the statue have any arms? It's disturbing, but then again, mebbe it's meant to be.
>
> I like the plainness of the tomb's initial design: it might make some people curious to know more (e.g., what he looked like) and research him on their own.
>
> ~Weds
>
> --- In , "EileenB" wrote:
> >
> > Yes...although I would have liked to see something slightly less plain I was also worried that if they put a reclining figure on top it might be similar to that awful statue of Richard at Middleham Castle....I can never make out if he is supposed to be getting up or just about to sit down...Eileen
>
"A few years ago, a rather controversial statue of Richard III was
erected in the bailey, close to the entrance. The sculptor, Linda
Thompson, has tried to portray various descriptions of Richard,
including the good king and the Shakespearian villain. A basilisk is
partially visible behind Richard, its tail curling over his right
shoulder to form part of the livery collar."
I do remember reading more about the Middleham statue, but I don't remember where now...
________________________________
Da: EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@...>
A:
Inviato: Mercoledì 13 Febbraio 2013 20:48
Oggetto: Re: Tomb
I dont think it is reptilian...I think it is a parachute...Eileen
--- In , "wednesday_mc" wrote:
>
> I have to ask, what is that reptilian thing climbing up the back of the statue at Middleham supposed to be/represent? And why doesn't the statue have any arms? It's disturbing, but then again, mebbe it's meant to be.
>
> I like the plainness of the tomb's initial design: it might make some people curious to know more (e.g., what he looked like) and research him on their own.
>
> ~Weds
>
> --- In , "EileenB" wrote:
> >
> > Yes...although I would have liked to see something slightly less plain I was also worried that if they put a reclining figure on top it might be similar to that awful statue of Richard at Middleham Castle....I can never make out if he is supposed to be getting up or just about to sit down...Eileen
>
Re: Tomb
2013-02-13 21:01:06
I think it's supposed to represent all the calumny that hunched up his back.
Marie
--- In , "EileenB" wrote:
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> I dont think it is reptilian...I think it is a parachute...Eileen
> --- In , "wednesday_mc" wrote:
> >
> > I have to ask, what is that reptilian thing climbing up the back of the statue at Middleham supposed to be/represent? And why doesn't the statue have any arms? It's disturbing, but then again, mebbe it's meant to be.
> >
> > I like the plainness of the tomb's initial design: it might make some people curious to know more (e.g., what he looked like) and research him on their own.
> >
> > ~Weds
> >
> > --- In , "EileenB" wrote:
> > >
> > > Yes...although I would have liked to see something slightly less plain I was also worried that if they put a reclining figure on top it might be similar to that awful statue of Richard at Middleham Castle....I can never make out if he is supposed to be getting up or just about to sit down...Eileen
> >
>
Marie
--- In , "EileenB" wrote:
>
> I dont think it is reptilian...I think it is a parachute...Eileen
> --- In , "wednesday_mc" wrote:
> >
> > I have to ask, what is that reptilian thing climbing up the back of the statue at Middleham supposed to be/represent? And why doesn't the statue have any arms? It's disturbing, but then again, mebbe it's meant to be.
> >
> > I like the plainness of the tomb's initial design: it might make some people curious to know more (e.g., what he looked like) and research him on their own.
> >
> > ~Weds
> >
> > --- In , "EileenB" wrote:
> > >
> > > Yes...although I would have liked to see something slightly less plain I was also worried that if they put a reclining figure on top it might be similar to that awful statue of Richard at Middleham Castle....I can never make out if he is supposed to be getting up or just about to sit down...Eileen
> >
>
Re: Tomb
2013-02-13 21:07:04
--- In , Cecilia Latella wrote:
>
> From the RIII Society website:
>
> "A few years ago, a rather controversial statue of Richard III was
> erected in the bailey, close to the entrance. The sculptor, Linda
> Thompson, has tried to portray various descriptions of Richard,
> including the good king and the Shakespearian villain. A basilisk is
> partially visible behind Richard, its tail curling over his right
> shoulder to form part of the livery collar."
Wednesday writes:
A...basilisk? Oh, sweet heaven, there's a wealth of symbolism in the sculptor's choice of that, and I really don't think it was a coincidental choice.
Definition of the beast from Wikipedia: "In European bestiaries and legends, a basilisk (..."little king;" Latin Regulus) is a legendary reptile reputed to be king of serpents and said to have the power to cause death with a single glance. According to the Naturalis Historia of Pliny the Elder, the basilisk of Cyrene is a small snake, "being not more than twelve fingers in length," that is so venomous that it leaves a wide trail of deadly venom in its wake, and its gaze is likewise lethal; its weakness is in the odor of the weasel, which, according to Pliny, was thrown into the basilisk's hole, recognizable because all the surrounding shrubs and grass had been scorched by its presence. It is possible that the legend of the basilisk and its association with the weasel in Europe was inspired by accounts of certain species of Asiatic snakes (such as the King Cobra) and their natural predator, the mongoose."
Its enemy is even...the weasel? Gah!
I'm squinting hard, trying to see whatever Thompson chose to symbolize the king's good side...can anybody else see what she intended it to be? And he's definitely unarmed.
~Weds
>
> From the RIII Society website:
>
> "A few years ago, a rather controversial statue of Richard III was
> erected in the bailey, close to the entrance. The sculptor, Linda
> Thompson, has tried to portray various descriptions of Richard,
> including the good king and the Shakespearian villain. A basilisk is
> partially visible behind Richard, its tail curling over his right
> shoulder to form part of the livery collar."
Wednesday writes:
A...basilisk? Oh, sweet heaven, there's a wealth of symbolism in the sculptor's choice of that, and I really don't think it was a coincidental choice.
Definition of the beast from Wikipedia: "In European bestiaries and legends, a basilisk (..."little king;" Latin Regulus) is a legendary reptile reputed to be king of serpents and said to have the power to cause death with a single glance. According to the Naturalis Historia of Pliny the Elder, the basilisk of Cyrene is a small snake, "being not more than twelve fingers in length," that is so venomous that it leaves a wide trail of deadly venom in its wake, and its gaze is likewise lethal; its weakness is in the odor of the weasel, which, according to Pliny, was thrown into the basilisk's hole, recognizable because all the surrounding shrubs and grass had been scorched by its presence. It is possible that the legend of the basilisk and its association with the weasel in Europe was inspired by accounts of certain species of Asiatic snakes (such as the King Cobra) and their natural predator, the mongoose."
Its enemy is even...the weasel? Gah!
I'm squinting hard, trying to see whatever Thompson chose to symbolize the king's good side...can anybody else see what she intended it to be? And he's definitely unarmed.
~Weds
Re: Tomb
2013-02-13 21:08:32
Never having been to Middleham (I always wanted to but think it's put me off now) I had to google this. It's awful and it does look a lizard or something crawling up his back (and yes, where the hell are his arms?)
It looks like it was designed by a Tudor.
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From: EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@...>
To:
Sent: Wednesday, 13 February 2013, 19:48
Subject: Re: Tomb
I dont think it is reptilian...I think it is a parachute...Eileen
--- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, "wednesday_mc" wrote:
>
> I have to ask, what is that reptilian thing climbing up the back of the statue at Middleham supposed to be/represent? And why doesn't the statue have any arms? It's disturbing, but then again, mebbe it's meant to be.
>
> I like the plainness of the tomb's initial design: it might make some people curious to know more (e.g., what he looked like) and research him on their own.
>
> ~Weds
>
> --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, "EileenB" wrote:
> >
> > Yes...although I would have liked to see something slightly less plain I was also worried that if they put a reclining figure on top it might be similar to that awful statue of Richard at Middleham Castle....I can never make out if he is supposed to be getting up or just about to sit down...Eileen
>
It looks like it was designed by a Tudor.
________________________________
From: EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@...>
To:
Sent: Wednesday, 13 February 2013, 19:48
Subject: Re: Tomb
I dont think it is reptilian...I think it is a parachute...Eileen
--- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, "wednesday_mc" wrote:
>
> I have to ask, what is that reptilian thing climbing up the back of the statue at Middleham supposed to be/represent? And why doesn't the statue have any arms? It's disturbing, but then again, mebbe it's meant to be.
>
> I like the plainness of the tomb's initial design: it might make some people curious to know more (e.g., what he looked like) and research him on their own.
>
> ~Weds
>
> --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, "EileenB" wrote:
> >
> > Yes...although I would have liked to see something slightly less plain I was also worried that if they put a reclining figure on top it might be similar to that awful statue of Richard at Middleham Castle....I can never make out if he is supposed to be getting up or just about to sit down...Eileen
>
Re: Tomb
2013-02-13 21:11:03
In my Middleham dvd (written and directed by John Fox - hope I got that name right), he looks at the statue, waves it away, and insto/presto, it disappears. It went by so quickly I couldn't even see it. I guess it's not so popular? Maire.
--- In , liz williams wrote:
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> Never having been to Middleham (I always wanted to but think it's put me off now) I had to google this. It's awful and it does look a lizard or something crawling up his back (and yes, where the hell are his arms?)
> Â
> It looks like it was designed by a Tudor.
>
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> ________________________________
> From: EileenB
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, 13 February 2013, 19:48
> Subject: Re: Tomb
>
> Â
> I dont think it is reptilian...I think it is a parachute...Eileen
> --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, "wednesday_mc" wrote:
> >
> > I have to ask, what is that reptilian thing climbing up the back of the statue at Middleham supposed to be/represent? And why doesn't the statue have any arms? It's disturbing, but then again, mebbe it's meant to be.
> >
> > I like the plainness of the tomb's initial design: it might make some people curious to know more (e.g., what he looked like) and research him on their own.
> >
> > ~Weds
> >
> > --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, "EileenB" wrote:
> > >
> > > Yes...although I would have liked to see something slightly less plain I was also worried that if they put a reclining figure on top it might be similar to that awful statue of Richard at Middleham Castle....I can never make out if he is supposed to be getting up or just about to sit down...Eileen
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--- In , liz williams wrote:
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> Never having been to Middleham (I always wanted to but think it's put me off now) I had to google this. It's awful and it does look a lizard or something crawling up his back (and yes, where the hell are his arms?)
> Â
> It looks like it was designed by a Tudor.
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: EileenB
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, 13 February 2013, 19:48
> Subject: Re: Tomb
>
> Â
> I dont think it is reptilian...I think it is a parachute...Eileen
> --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, "wednesday_mc" wrote:
> >
> > I have to ask, what is that reptilian thing climbing up the back of the statue at Middleham supposed to be/represent? And why doesn't the statue have any arms? It's disturbing, but then again, mebbe it's meant to be.
> >
> > I like the plainness of the tomb's initial design: it might make some people curious to know more (e.g., what he looked like) and research him on their own.
> >
> > ~Weds
> >
> > --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, "EileenB" wrote:
> > >
> > > Yes...although I would have liked to see something slightly less plain I was also worried that if they put a reclining figure on top it might be similar to that awful statue of Richard at Middleham Castle....I can never make out if he is supposed to be getting up or just about to sit down...Eileen
> >
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Re: Tomb
2013-02-13 21:14:32
Its very white and stark. I would have loved to have see a statue similar to the one at Leicester...which Im sure was paid for by the Society. Its magnificent....Eileen
--- In , liz williams wrote:
>
> Never having been to Middleham (I always wanted to but think it's put me off now) I had to google this. It's awful and it does look a lizard or something crawling up his back (and yes, where the hell are his arms?)
> Â
> It looks like it was designed by a Tudor.
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: EileenB
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, 13 February 2013, 19:48
> Subject: Re: Tomb
>
> Â
> I dont think it is reptilian...I think it is a parachute...Eileen
> --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, "wednesday_mc" wrote:
> >
> > I have to ask, what is that reptilian thing climbing up the back of the statue at Middleham supposed to be/represent? And why doesn't the statue have any arms? It's disturbing, but then again, mebbe it's meant to be.
> >
> > I like the plainness of the tomb's initial design: it might make some people curious to know more (e.g., what he looked like) and research him on their own.
> >
> > ~Weds
> >
> > --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, "EileenB" wrote:
> > >
> > > Yes...although I would have liked to see something slightly less plain I was also worried that if they put a reclining figure on top it might be similar to that awful statue of Richard at Middleham Castle....I can never make out if he is supposed to be getting up or just about to sit down...Eileen
> >
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--- In , liz williams wrote:
>
> Never having been to Middleham (I always wanted to but think it's put me off now) I had to google this. It's awful and it does look a lizard or something crawling up his back (and yes, where the hell are his arms?)
> Â
> It looks like it was designed by a Tudor.
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: EileenB
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, 13 February 2013, 19:48
> Subject: Re: Tomb
>
> Â
> I dont think it is reptilian...I think it is a parachute...Eileen
> --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, "wednesday_mc" wrote:
> >
> > I have to ask, what is that reptilian thing climbing up the back of the statue at Middleham supposed to be/represent? And why doesn't the statue have any arms? It's disturbing, but then again, mebbe it's meant to be.
> >
> > I like the plainness of the tomb's initial design: it might make some people curious to know more (e.g., what he looked like) and research him on their own.
> >
> > ~Weds
> >
> > --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, "EileenB" wrote:
> > >
> > > Yes...although I would have liked to see something slightly less plain I was also worried that if they put a reclining figure on top it might be similar to that awful statue of Richard at Middleham Castle....I can never make out if he is supposed to be getting up or just about to sit down...Eileen
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Re: Tomb
2013-02-13 21:19:12
Found the Shakespearean reference in Richard III to the basilisk, but it makes even less sense why the sculptor would saddle Richard with one. From Act 1, sc. ii:
GLOSTER.
Thine eyes, sweet lady, have infected mine.
ANNE.
Would they were basilisks to strike thee dead!
GLOSTER.
I would they were, that I might die at once;
For now they kill me with a living death. (etc.)
--- In , "wednesday_mc" wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In , Cecilia Latella wrote:
> >
> > From the RIII Society website:
> >
> > "A few years ago, a rather controversial statue of Richard III was
> > erected in the bailey, close to the entrance. The sculptor, Linda
> > Thompson, has tried to portray various descriptions of Richard,
> > including the good king and the Shakespearian villain. A basilisk is
> > partially visible behind Richard, its tail curling over his right
> > shoulder to form part of the livery collar."
>
>
> Wednesday writes:
>
> A...basilisk? Oh, sweet heaven, there's a wealth of symbolism in the sculptor's choice of that, and I really don't think it was a coincidental choice.
>
> Definition of the beast from Wikipedia: "In European bestiaries and legends, a basilisk (..."little king;" Latin Regulus) is a legendary reptile reputed to be king of serpents and said to have the power to cause death with a single glance. According to the Naturalis Historia of Pliny the Elder, the basilisk of Cyrene is a small snake, "being not more than twelve fingers in length," that is so venomous that it leaves a wide trail of deadly venom in its wake, and its gaze is likewise lethal; its weakness is in the odor of the weasel, which, according to Pliny, was thrown into the basilisk's hole, recognizable because all the surrounding shrubs and grass had been scorched by its presence. It is possible that the legend of the basilisk and its association with the weasel in Europe was inspired by accounts of certain species of Asiatic snakes (such as the King Cobra) and their natural predator, the mongoose."
>
> Its enemy is even...the weasel? Gah!
>
> I'm squinting hard, trying to see whatever Thompson chose to symbolize the king's good side...can anybody else see what she intended it to be? And he's definitely unarmed.
>
> ~Weds
>
GLOSTER.
Thine eyes, sweet lady, have infected mine.
ANNE.
Would they were basilisks to strike thee dead!
GLOSTER.
I would they were, that I might die at once;
For now they kill me with a living death. (etc.)
--- In , "wednesday_mc" wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In , Cecilia Latella wrote:
> >
> > From the RIII Society website:
> >
> > "A few years ago, a rather controversial statue of Richard III was
> > erected in the bailey, close to the entrance. The sculptor, Linda
> > Thompson, has tried to portray various descriptions of Richard,
> > including the good king and the Shakespearian villain. A basilisk is
> > partially visible behind Richard, its tail curling over his right
> > shoulder to form part of the livery collar."
>
>
> Wednesday writes:
>
> A...basilisk? Oh, sweet heaven, there's a wealth of symbolism in the sculptor's choice of that, and I really don't think it was a coincidental choice.
>
> Definition of the beast from Wikipedia: "In European bestiaries and legends, a basilisk (..."little king;" Latin Regulus) is a legendary reptile reputed to be king of serpents and said to have the power to cause death with a single glance. According to the Naturalis Historia of Pliny the Elder, the basilisk of Cyrene is a small snake, "being not more than twelve fingers in length," that is so venomous that it leaves a wide trail of deadly venom in its wake, and its gaze is likewise lethal; its weakness is in the odor of the weasel, which, according to Pliny, was thrown into the basilisk's hole, recognizable because all the surrounding shrubs and grass had been scorched by its presence. It is possible that the legend of the basilisk and its association with the weasel in Europe was inspired by accounts of certain species of Asiatic snakes (such as the King Cobra) and their natural predator, the mongoose."
>
> Its enemy is even...the weasel? Gah!
>
> I'm squinting hard, trying to see whatever Thompson chose to symbolize the king's good side...can anybody else see what she intended it to be? And he's definitely unarmed.
>
> ~Weds
>
Re: Tomb
2013-02-13 21:20:52
Good god! The weasel too?
Ishita Bandyo
www.ishitabandyo.com
www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
On Feb 13, 2013, at 4:07 PM, "wednesday_mc" <wednesday.mac@...> wrote:
>
>
> --- In , Cecilia Latella wrote:
> >
> > From the RIII Society website:
> >
> > "A few years ago, a rather controversial statue of Richard III was
> > erected in the bailey, close to the entrance. The sculptor, Linda
> > Thompson, has tried to portray various descriptions of Richard,
> > including the good king and the Shakespearian villain. A basilisk is
> > partially visible behind Richard, its tail curling over his right
> > shoulder to form part of the livery collar."
>
> Wednesday writes:
>
> A...basilisk? Oh, sweet heaven, there's a wealth of symbolism in the sculptor's choice of that, and I really don't think it was a coincidental choice.
>
> Definition of the beast from Wikipedia: "In European bestiaries and legends, a basilisk (..."little king;" Latin Regulus) is a legendary reptile reputed to be king of serpents and said to have the power to cause death with a single glance. According to the Naturalis Historia of Pliny the Elder, the basilisk of Cyrene is a small snake, "being not more than twelve fingers in length," that is so venomous that it leaves a wide trail of deadly venom in its wake, and its gaze is likewise lethal; its weakness is in the odor of the weasel, which, according to Pliny, was thrown into the basilisk's hole, recognizable because all the surrounding shrubs and grass had been scorched by its presence. It is possible that the legend of the basilisk and its association with the weasel in Europe was inspired by accounts of certain species of Asiatic snakes (such as the King Cobra) and their natural predator, the mongoose."
>
> Its enemy is even...the weasel? Gah!
>
> I'm squinting hard, trying to see whatever Thompson chose to symbolize the king's good side...can anybody else see what she intended it to be? And he's definitely unarmed.
>
> ~Weds
>
>
Ishita Bandyo
www.ishitabandyo.com
www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
On Feb 13, 2013, at 4:07 PM, "wednesday_mc" <wednesday.mac@...> wrote:
>
>
> --- In , Cecilia Latella wrote:
> >
> > From the RIII Society website:
> >
> > "A few years ago, a rather controversial statue of Richard III was
> > erected in the bailey, close to the entrance. The sculptor, Linda
> > Thompson, has tried to portray various descriptions of Richard,
> > including the good king and the Shakespearian villain. A basilisk is
> > partially visible behind Richard, its tail curling over his right
> > shoulder to form part of the livery collar."
>
> Wednesday writes:
>
> A...basilisk? Oh, sweet heaven, there's a wealth of symbolism in the sculptor's choice of that, and I really don't think it was a coincidental choice.
>
> Definition of the beast from Wikipedia: "In European bestiaries and legends, a basilisk (..."little king;" Latin Regulus) is a legendary reptile reputed to be king of serpents and said to have the power to cause death with a single glance. According to the Naturalis Historia of Pliny the Elder, the basilisk of Cyrene is a small snake, "being not more than twelve fingers in length," that is so venomous that it leaves a wide trail of deadly venom in its wake, and its gaze is likewise lethal; its weakness is in the odor of the weasel, which, according to Pliny, was thrown into the basilisk's hole, recognizable because all the surrounding shrubs and grass had been scorched by its presence. It is possible that the legend of the basilisk and its association with the weasel in Europe was inspired by accounts of certain species of Asiatic snakes (such as the King Cobra) and their natural predator, the mongoose."
>
> Its enemy is even...the weasel? Gah!
>
> I'm squinting hard, trying to see whatever Thompson chose to symbolize the king's good side...can anybody else see what she intended it to be? And he's definitely unarmed.
>
> ~Weds
>
>
Re: Tomb
2013-02-13 21:22:13
It could be a dead weasle?
--- In , Ishita Bandyo wrote:
>
> Good god! The weasel too?
>
> Ishita Bandyo
> www.ishitabandyo.com
> www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
> www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
>
> On Feb 13, 2013, at 4:07 PM, "wednesday_mc" wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > --- In , Cecilia Latella wrote:
> > >
> > > From the RIII Society website:
> > >
> > > "A few years ago, a rather controversial statue of Richard III was
> > > erected in the bailey, close to the entrance. The sculptor, Linda
> > > Thompson, has tried to portray various descriptions of Richard,
> > > including the good king and the Shakespearian villain. A basilisk is
> > > partially visible behind Richard, its tail curling over his right
> > > shoulder to form part of the livery collar."
> >
> > Wednesday writes:
> >
> > A...basilisk? Oh, sweet heaven, there's a wealth of symbolism in the sculptor's choice of that, and I really don't think it was a coincidental choice.
> >
> > Definition of the beast from Wikipedia: "In European bestiaries and legends, a basilisk (..."little king;" Latin Regulus) is a legendary reptile reputed to be king of serpents and said to have the power to cause death with a single glance. According to the Naturalis Historia of Pliny the Elder, the basilisk of Cyrene is a small snake, "being not more than twelve fingers in length," that is so venomous that it leaves a wide trail of deadly venom in its wake, and its gaze is likewise lethal; its weakness is in the odor of the weasel, which, according to Pliny, was thrown into the basilisk's hole, recognizable because all the surrounding shrubs and grass had been scorched by its presence. It is possible that the legend of the basilisk and its association with the weasel in Europe was inspired by accounts of certain species of Asiatic snakes (such as the King Cobra) and their natural predator, the mongoose."
> >
> > Its enemy is even...the weasel? Gah!
> >
> > I'm squinting hard, trying to see whatever Thompson chose to symbolize the king's good side...can anybody else see what she intended it to be? And he's definitely unarmed.
> >
> > ~Weds
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
--- In , Ishita Bandyo wrote:
>
> Good god! The weasel too?
>
> Ishita Bandyo
> www.ishitabandyo.com
> www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
> www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
>
> On Feb 13, 2013, at 4:07 PM, "wednesday_mc" wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > --- In , Cecilia Latella wrote:
> > >
> > > From the RIII Society website:
> > >
> > > "A few years ago, a rather controversial statue of Richard III was
> > > erected in the bailey, close to the entrance. The sculptor, Linda
> > > Thompson, has tried to portray various descriptions of Richard,
> > > including the good king and the Shakespearian villain. A basilisk is
> > > partially visible behind Richard, its tail curling over his right
> > > shoulder to form part of the livery collar."
> >
> > Wednesday writes:
> >
> > A...basilisk? Oh, sweet heaven, there's a wealth of symbolism in the sculptor's choice of that, and I really don't think it was a coincidental choice.
> >
> > Definition of the beast from Wikipedia: "In European bestiaries and legends, a basilisk (..."little king;" Latin Regulus) is a legendary reptile reputed to be king of serpents and said to have the power to cause death with a single glance. According to the Naturalis Historia of Pliny the Elder, the basilisk of Cyrene is a small snake, "being not more than twelve fingers in length," that is so venomous that it leaves a wide trail of deadly venom in its wake, and its gaze is likewise lethal; its weakness is in the odor of the weasel, which, according to Pliny, was thrown into the basilisk's hole, recognizable because all the surrounding shrubs and grass had been scorched by its presence. It is possible that the legend of the basilisk and its association with the weasel in Europe was inspired by accounts of certain species of Asiatic snakes (such as the King Cobra) and their natural predator, the mongoose."
> >
> > Its enemy is even...the weasel? Gah!
> >
> > I'm squinting hard, trying to see whatever Thompson chose to symbolize the king's good side...can anybody else see what she intended it to be? And he's definitely unarmed.
> >
> > ~Weds
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
Re: Tomb
2013-02-13 21:29:44
You're so funny! Don't you wish? Maire.
--- In , "EileenB" wrote:
>
> It could be a dead weasle?
>
> --- In , Ishita Bandyo wrote:
> >
> > Good god! The weasel too?
> >
> > Ishita Bandyo
> > www.ishitabandyo.com
> > www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
> > www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
> >
> > On Feb 13, 2013, at 4:07 PM, "wednesday_mc" wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In , Cecilia Latella wrote:
> > > >
> > > > From the RIII Society website:
> > > >
> > > > "A few years ago, a rather controversial statue of Richard III was
> > > > erected in the bailey, close to the entrance. The sculptor, Linda
> > > > Thompson, has tried to portray various descriptions of Richard,
> > > > including the good king and the Shakespearian villain. A basilisk is
> > > > partially visible behind Richard, its tail curling over his right
> > > > shoulder to form part of the livery collar."
> > >
> > > Wednesday writes:
> > >
> > > A...basilisk? Oh, sweet heaven, there's a wealth of symbolism in the sculptor's choice of that, and I really don't think it was a coincidental choice.
> > >
> > > Definition of the beast from Wikipedia: "In European bestiaries and legends, a basilisk (..."little king;" Latin Regulus) is a legendary reptile reputed to be king of serpents and said to have the power to cause death with a single glance. According to the Naturalis Historia of Pliny the Elder, the basilisk of Cyrene is a small snake, "being not more than twelve fingers in length," that is so venomous that it leaves a wide trail of deadly venom in its wake, and its gaze is likewise lethal; its weakness is in the odor of the weasel, which, according to Pliny, was thrown into the basilisk's hole, recognizable because all the surrounding shrubs and grass had been scorched by its presence. It is possible that the legend of the basilisk and its association with the weasel in Europe was inspired by accounts of certain species of Asiatic snakes (such as the King Cobra) and their natural predator, the mongoose."
> > >
> > > Its enemy is even...the weasel? Gah!
> > >
> > > I'm squinting hard, trying to see whatever Thompson chose to symbolize the king's good side...can anybody else see what she intended it to be? And he's definitely unarmed.
> > >
> > > ~Weds
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
--- In , "EileenB" wrote:
>
> It could be a dead weasle?
>
> --- In , Ishita Bandyo wrote:
> >
> > Good god! The weasel too?
> >
> > Ishita Bandyo
> > www.ishitabandyo.com
> > www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
> > www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
> >
> > On Feb 13, 2013, at 4:07 PM, "wednesday_mc" wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In , Cecilia Latella wrote:
> > > >
> > > > From the RIII Society website:
> > > >
> > > > "A few years ago, a rather controversial statue of Richard III was
> > > > erected in the bailey, close to the entrance. The sculptor, Linda
> > > > Thompson, has tried to portray various descriptions of Richard,
> > > > including the good king and the Shakespearian villain. A basilisk is
> > > > partially visible behind Richard, its tail curling over his right
> > > > shoulder to form part of the livery collar."
> > >
> > > Wednesday writes:
> > >
> > > A...basilisk? Oh, sweet heaven, there's a wealth of symbolism in the sculptor's choice of that, and I really don't think it was a coincidental choice.
> > >
> > > Definition of the beast from Wikipedia: "In European bestiaries and legends, a basilisk (..."little king;" Latin Regulus) is a legendary reptile reputed to be king of serpents and said to have the power to cause death with a single glance. According to the Naturalis Historia of Pliny the Elder, the basilisk of Cyrene is a small snake, "being not more than twelve fingers in length," that is so venomous that it leaves a wide trail of deadly venom in its wake, and its gaze is likewise lethal; its weakness is in the odor of the weasel, which, according to Pliny, was thrown into the basilisk's hole, recognizable because all the surrounding shrubs and grass had been scorched by its presence. It is possible that the legend of the basilisk and its association with the weasel in Europe was inspired by accounts of certain species of Asiatic snakes (such as the King Cobra) and their natural predator, the mongoose."
> > >
> > > Its enemy is even...the weasel? Gah!
> > >
> > > I'm squinting hard, trying to see whatever Thompson chose to symbolize the king's good side...can anybody else see what she intended it to be? And he's definitely unarmed.
> > >
> > > ~Weds
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
Re: Tomb
2013-02-13 21:34:37
> Wednesday writes:
> A...basilisk? Oh, sweet heaven, there's a wealth of symbolism in the sculptor's choice of that, and I
> really don't think it was a coincidental choice.
Richard compares himself with a basilisk in 'Henry VI, Part 3', so it's not at coincidental.
Jonathan
> A...basilisk? Oh, sweet heaven, there's a wealth of symbolism in the sculptor's choice of that, and I
> really don't think it was a coincidental choice.
Richard compares himself with a basilisk in 'Henry VI, Part 3', so it's not at coincidental.
Jonathan
Re: Tomb
2013-02-13 21:37:33
What do you mean Maire? Eileen
--- In , "mairemulholland" wrote:
>
> You're so funny! Don't you wish? Maire.
>
> --- In , "EileenB" wrote:
> >
> > It could be a dead weasle?
> >
> > --- In , Ishita Bandyo wrote:
> > >
> > > Good god! The weasel too?
> > >
> > > Ishita Bandyo
> > > www.ishitabandyo.com
> > > www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
> > > www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
> > >
> > > On Feb 13, 2013, at 4:07 PM, "wednesday_mc" wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In , Cecilia Latella wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > From the RIII Society website:
> > > > >
> > > > > "A few years ago, a rather controversial statue of Richard III was
> > > > > erected in the bailey, close to the entrance. The sculptor, Linda
> > > > > Thompson, has tried to portray various descriptions of Richard,
> > > > > including the good king and the Shakespearian villain. A basilisk is
> > > > > partially visible behind Richard, its tail curling over his right
> > > > > shoulder to form part of the livery collar."
> > > >
> > > > Wednesday writes:
> > > >
> > > > A...basilisk? Oh, sweet heaven, there's a wealth of symbolism in the sculptor's choice of that, and I really don't think it was a coincidental choice.
> > > >
> > > > Definition of the beast from Wikipedia: "In European bestiaries and legends, a basilisk (..."little king;" Latin Regulus) is a legendary reptile reputed to be king of serpents and said to have the power to cause death with a single glance. According to the Naturalis Historia of Pliny the Elder, the basilisk of Cyrene is a small snake, "being not more than twelve fingers in length," that is so venomous that it leaves a wide trail of deadly venom in its wake, and its gaze is likewise lethal; its weakness is in the odor of the weasel, which, according to Pliny, was thrown into the basilisk's hole, recognizable because all the surrounding shrubs and grass had been scorched by its presence. It is possible that the legend of the basilisk and its association with the weasel in Europe was inspired by accounts of certain species of Asiatic snakes (such as the King Cobra) and their natural predator, the mongoose."
> > > >
> > > > Its enemy is even...the weasel? Gah!
> > > >
> > > > I'm squinting hard, trying to see whatever Thompson chose to symbolize the king's good side...can anybody else see what she intended it to be? And he's definitely unarmed.
> > > >
> > > > ~Weds
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
--- In , "mairemulholland" wrote:
>
> You're so funny! Don't you wish? Maire.
>
> --- In , "EileenB" wrote:
> >
> > It could be a dead weasle?
> >
> > --- In , Ishita Bandyo wrote:
> > >
> > > Good god! The weasel too?
> > >
> > > Ishita Bandyo
> > > www.ishitabandyo.com
> > > www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
> > > www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
> > >
> > > On Feb 13, 2013, at 4:07 PM, "wednesday_mc" wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In , Cecilia Latella wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > From the RIII Society website:
> > > > >
> > > > > "A few years ago, a rather controversial statue of Richard III was
> > > > > erected in the bailey, close to the entrance. The sculptor, Linda
> > > > > Thompson, has tried to portray various descriptions of Richard,
> > > > > including the good king and the Shakespearian villain. A basilisk is
> > > > > partially visible behind Richard, its tail curling over his right
> > > > > shoulder to form part of the livery collar."
> > > >
> > > > Wednesday writes:
> > > >
> > > > A...basilisk? Oh, sweet heaven, there's a wealth of symbolism in the sculptor's choice of that, and I really don't think it was a coincidental choice.
> > > >
> > > > Definition of the beast from Wikipedia: "In European bestiaries and legends, a basilisk (..."little king;" Latin Regulus) is a legendary reptile reputed to be king of serpents and said to have the power to cause death with a single glance. According to the Naturalis Historia of Pliny the Elder, the basilisk of Cyrene is a small snake, "being not more than twelve fingers in length," that is so venomous that it leaves a wide trail of deadly venom in its wake, and its gaze is likewise lethal; its weakness is in the odor of the weasel, which, according to Pliny, was thrown into the basilisk's hole, recognizable because all the surrounding shrubs and grass had been scorched by its presence. It is possible that the legend of the basilisk and its association with the weasel in Europe was inspired by accounts of certain species of Asiatic snakes (such as the King Cobra) and their natural predator, the mongoose."
> > > >
> > > > Its enemy is even...the weasel? Gah!
> > > >
> > > > I'm squinting hard, trying to see whatever Thompson chose to symbolize the king's good side...can anybody else see what she intended it to be? And he's definitely unarmed.
> > > >
> > > > ~Weds
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: Tomb
2013-02-13 21:44:36
I meant the weasel remark. Maire.
--- In , "EileenB" wrote:
>
> What do you mean Maire? Eileen
>
> --- In , "mairemulholland" wrote:
> >
> > You're so funny! Don't you wish? Maire.
> >
> > --- In , "EileenB" wrote:
> > >
> > > It could be a dead weasle?
> > >
> > > --- In , Ishita Bandyo wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Good god! The weasel too?
> > > >
> > > > Ishita Bandyo
> > > > www.ishitabandyo.com
> > > > www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
> > > > www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
> > > >
> > > > On Feb 13, 2013, at 4:07 PM, "wednesday_mc" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In , Cecilia Latella wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From the RIII Society website:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "A few years ago, a rather controversial statue of Richard III was
> > > > > > erected in the bailey, close to the entrance. The sculptor, Linda
> > > > > > Thompson, has tried to portray various descriptions of Richard,
> > > > > > including the good king and the Shakespearian villain. A basilisk is
> > > > > > partially visible behind Richard, its tail curling over his right
> > > > > > shoulder to form part of the livery collar."
> > > > >
> > > > > Wednesday writes:
> > > > >
> > > > > A...basilisk? Oh, sweet heaven, there's a wealth of symbolism in the sculptor's choice of that, and I really don't think it was a coincidental choice.
> > > > >
> > > > > Definition of the beast from Wikipedia: "In European bestiaries and legends, a basilisk (..."little king;" Latin Regulus) is a legendary reptile reputed to be king of serpents and said to have the power to cause death with a single glance. According to the Naturalis Historia of Pliny the Elder, the basilisk of Cyrene is a small snake, "being not more than twelve fingers in length," that is so venomous that it leaves a wide trail of deadly venom in its wake, and its gaze is likewise lethal; its weakness is in the odor of the weasel, which, according to Pliny, was thrown into the basilisk's hole, recognizable because all the surrounding shrubs and grass had been scorched by its presence. It is possible that the legend of the basilisk and its association with the weasel in Europe was inspired by accounts of certain species of Asiatic snakes (such as the King Cobra) and their natural predator, the mongoose."
> > > > >
> > > > > Its enemy is even...the weasel? Gah!
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm squinting hard, trying to see whatever Thompson chose to symbolize the king's good side...can anybody else see what she intended it to be? And he's definitely unarmed.
> > > > >
> > > > > ~Weds
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
--- In , "EileenB" wrote:
>
> What do you mean Maire? Eileen
>
> --- In , "mairemulholland" wrote:
> >
> > You're so funny! Don't you wish? Maire.
> >
> > --- In , "EileenB" wrote:
> > >
> > > It could be a dead weasle?
> > >
> > > --- In , Ishita Bandyo wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Good god! The weasel too?
> > > >
> > > > Ishita Bandyo
> > > > www.ishitabandyo.com
> > > > www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
> > > > www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
> > > >
> > > > On Feb 13, 2013, at 4:07 PM, "wednesday_mc" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In , Cecilia Latella wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From the RIII Society website:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "A few years ago, a rather controversial statue of Richard III was
> > > > > > erected in the bailey, close to the entrance. The sculptor, Linda
> > > > > > Thompson, has tried to portray various descriptions of Richard,
> > > > > > including the good king and the Shakespearian villain. A basilisk is
> > > > > > partially visible behind Richard, its tail curling over his right
> > > > > > shoulder to form part of the livery collar."
> > > > >
> > > > > Wednesday writes:
> > > > >
> > > > > A...basilisk? Oh, sweet heaven, there's a wealth of symbolism in the sculptor's choice of that, and I really don't think it was a coincidental choice.
> > > > >
> > > > > Definition of the beast from Wikipedia: "In European bestiaries and legends, a basilisk (..."little king;" Latin Regulus) is a legendary reptile reputed to be king of serpents and said to have the power to cause death with a single glance. According to the Naturalis Historia of Pliny the Elder, the basilisk of Cyrene is a small snake, "being not more than twelve fingers in length," that is so venomous that it leaves a wide trail of deadly venom in its wake, and its gaze is likewise lethal; its weakness is in the odor of the weasel, which, according to Pliny, was thrown into the basilisk's hole, recognizable because all the surrounding shrubs and grass had been scorched by its presence. It is possible that the legend of the basilisk and its association with the weasel in Europe was inspired by accounts of certain species of Asiatic snakes (such as the King Cobra) and their natural predator, the mongoose."
> > > > >
> > > > > Its enemy is even...the weasel? Gah!
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm squinting hard, trying to see whatever Thompson chose to symbolize the king's good side...can anybody else see what she intended it to be? And he's definitely unarmed.
> > > > >
> > > > > ~Weds
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: Tomb
2013-02-13 21:51:01
Yes I know you did...but I didnt know what way to take it...Eileen
--- In , "mairemulholland" wrote:
>
> I meant the weasel remark. Maire.
>
> --- In , "EileenB" wrote:
> >
> > What do you mean Maire? Eileen
> >
> > --- In , "mairemulholland" wrote:
> > >
> > > You're so funny! Don't you wish? Maire.
> > >
> > > --- In , "EileenB" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > It could be a dead weasle?
> > > >
> > > > --- In , Ishita Bandyo wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Good god! The weasel too?
> > > > >
> > > > > Ishita Bandyo
> > > > > www.ishitabandyo.com
> > > > > www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
> > > > > www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
> > > > >
> > > > > On Feb 13, 2013, at 4:07 PM, "wednesday_mc" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In , Cecilia Latella wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > From the RIII Society website:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "A few years ago, a rather controversial statue of Richard III was
> > > > > > > erected in the bailey, close to the entrance. The sculptor, Linda
> > > > > > > Thompson, has tried to portray various descriptions of Richard,
> > > > > > > including the good king and the Shakespearian villain. A basilisk is
> > > > > > > partially visible behind Richard, its tail curling over his right
> > > > > > > shoulder to form part of the livery collar."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Wednesday writes:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > A...basilisk? Oh, sweet heaven, there's a wealth of symbolism in the sculptor's choice of that, and I really don't think it was a coincidental choice.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Definition of the beast from Wikipedia: "In European bestiaries and legends, a basilisk (..."little king;" Latin Regulus) is a legendary reptile reputed to be king of serpents and said to have the power to cause death with a single glance. According to the Naturalis Historia of Pliny the Elder, the basilisk of Cyrene is a small snake, "being not more than twelve fingers in length," that is so venomous that it leaves a wide trail of deadly venom in its wake, and its gaze is likewise lethal; its weakness is in the odor of the weasel, which, according to Pliny, was thrown into the basilisk's hole, recognizable because all the surrounding shrubs and grass had been scorched by its presence. It is possible that the legend of the basilisk and its association with the weasel in Europe was inspired by accounts of certain species of Asiatic snakes (such as the King Cobra) and their natural predator, the mongoose."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Its enemy is even...the weasel? Gah!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm squinting hard, trying to see whatever Thompson chose to symbolize the king's good side...can anybody else see what she intended it to be? And he's definitely unarmed.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ~Weds
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--- In , "mairemulholland" wrote:
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> I meant the weasel remark. Maire.
>
> --- In , "EileenB" wrote:
> >
> > What do you mean Maire? Eileen
> >
> > --- In , "mairemulholland" wrote:
> > >
> > > You're so funny! Don't you wish? Maire.
> > >
> > > --- In , "EileenB" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > It could be a dead weasle?
> > > >
> > > > --- In , Ishita Bandyo wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Good god! The weasel too?
> > > > >
> > > > > Ishita Bandyo
> > > > > www.ishitabandyo.com
> > > > > www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
> > > > > www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
> > > > >
> > > > > On Feb 13, 2013, at 4:07 PM, "wednesday_mc" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In , Cecilia Latella wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > From the RIII Society website:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "A few years ago, a rather controversial statue of Richard III was
> > > > > > > erected in the bailey, close to the entrance. The sculptor, Linda
> > > > > > > Thompson, has tried to portray various descriptions of Richard,
> > > > > > > including the good king and the Shakespearian villain. A basilisk is
> > > > > > > partially visible behind Richard, its tail curling over his right
> > > > > > > shoulder to form part of the livery collar."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Wednesday writes:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > A...basilisk? Oh, sweet heaven, there's a wealth of symbolism in the sculptor's choice of that, and I really don't think it was a coincidental choice.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Definition of the beast from Wikipedia: "In European bestiaries and legends, a basilisk (..."little king;" Latin Regulus) is a legendary reptile reputed to be king of serpents and said to have the power to cause death with a single glance. According to the Naturalis Historia of Pliny the Elder, the basilisk of Cyrene is a small snake, "being not more than twelve fingers in length," that is so venomous that it leaves a wide trail of deadly venom in its wake, and its gaze is likewise lethal; its weakness is in the odor of the weasel, which, according to Pliny, was thrown into the basilisk's hole, recognizable because all the surrounding shrubs and grass had been scorched by its presence. It is possible that the legend of the basilisk and its association with the weasel in Europe was inspired by accounts of certain species of Asiatic snakes (such as the King Cobra) and their natural predator, the mongoose."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Its enemy is even...the weasel? Gah!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm squinting hard, trying to see whatever Thompson chose to symbolize the king's good side...can anybody else see what she intended it to be? And he's definitely unarmed.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ~Weds
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Re: Tomb
2013-02-13 21:56:27
Oh, Eileen - I only meant it in the most honest, nice way! Poor Richard - a weasel crawling out of his collar (Morton??) Maire.
--- In , "EileenB" wrote:
>
> Yes I know you did...but I didnt know what way to take it...Eileen
>
> --- In , "mairemulholland" wrote:
> >
> > I meant the weasel remark. Maire.
> >
> > --- In , "EileenB" wrote:
> > >
> > > What do you mean Maire? Eileen
> > >
> > > --- In , "mairemulholland" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > You're so funny! Don't you wish? Maire.
> > > >
> > > > --- In , "EileenB" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > It could be a dead weasle?
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In , Ishita Bandyo wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Good god! The weasel too?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ishita Bandyo
> > > > > > www.ishitabandyo.com
> > > > > > www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
> > > > > > www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Feb 13, 2013, at 4:07 PM, "wednesday_mc" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In , Cecilia Latella wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > From the RIII Society website:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "A few years ago, a rather controversial statue of Richard III was
> > > > > > > > erected in the bailey, close to the entrance. The sculptor, Linda
> > > > > > > > Thompson, has tried to portray various descriptions of Richard,
> > > > > > > > including the good king and the Shakespearian villain. A basilisk is
> > > > > > > > partially visible behind Richard, its tail curling over his right
> > > > > > > > shoulder to form part of the livery collar."
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Wednesday writes:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > A...basilisk? Oh, sweet heaven, there's a wealth of symbolism in the sculptor's choice of that, and I really don't think it was a coincidental choice.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Definition of the beast from Wikipedia: "In European bestiaries and legends, a basilisk (..."little king;" Latin Regulus) is a legendary reptile reputed to be king of serpents and said to have the power to cause death with a single glance. According to the Naturalis Historia of Pliny the Elder, the basilisk of Cyrene is a small snake, "being not more than twelve fingers in length," that is so venomous that it leaves a wide trail of deadly venom in its wake, and its gaze is likewise lethal; its weakness is in the odor of the weasel, which, according to Pliny, was thrown into the basilisk's hole, recognizable because all the surrounding shrubs and grass had been scorched by its presence. It is possible that the legend of the basilisk and its association with the weasel in Europe was inspired by accounts of certain species of Asiatic snakes (such as the King Cobra) and their natural predator, the mongoose."
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Its enemy is even...the weasel? Gah!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm squinting hard, trying to see whatever Thompson chose to symbolize the king's good side...can anybody else see what she intended it to be? And he's definitely unarmed.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ~Weds
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--- In , "EileenB" wrote:
>
> Yes I know you did...but I didnt know what way to take it...Eileen
>
> --- In , "mairemulholland" wrote:
> >
> > I meant the weasel remark. Maire.
> >
> > --- In , "EileenB" wrote:
> > >
> > > What do you mean Maire? Eileen
> > >
> > > --- In , "mairemulholland" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > You're so funny! Don't you wish? Maire.
> > > >
> > > > --- In , "EileenB" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > It could be a dead weasle?
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In , Ishita Bandyo wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Good god! The weasel too?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ishita Bandyo
> > > > > > www.ishitabandyo.com
> > > > > > www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
> > > > > > www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Feb 13, 2013, at 4:07 PM, "wednesday_mc" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In , Cecilia Latella wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > From the RIII Society website:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "A few years ago, a rather controversial statue of Richard III was
> > > > > > > > erected in the bailey, close to the entrance. The sculptor, Linda
> > > > > > > > Thompson, has tried to portray various descriptions of Richard,
> > > > > > > > including the good king and the Shakespearian villain. A basilisk is
> > > > > > > > partially visible behind Richard, its tail curling over his right
> > > > > > > > shoulder to form part of the livery collar."
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Wednesday writes:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > A...basilisk? Oh, sweet heaven, there's a wealth of symbolism in the sculptor's choice of that, and I really don't think it was a coincidental choice.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Definition of the beast from Wikipedia: "In European bestiaries and legends, a basilisk (..."little king;" Latin Regulus) is a legendary reptile reputed to be king of serpents and said to have the power to cause death with a single glance. According to the Naturalis Historia of Pliny the Elder, the basilisk of Cyrene is a small snake, "being not more than twelve fingers in length," that is so venomous that it leaves a wide trail of deadly venom in its wake, and its gaze is likewise lethal; its weakness is in the odor of the weasel, which, according to Pliny, was thrown into the basilisk's hole, recognizable because all the surrounding shrubs and grass had been scorched by its presence. It is possible that the legend of the basilisk and its association with the weasel in Europe was inspired by accounts of certain species of Asiatic snakes (such as the King Cobra) and their natural predator, the mongoose."
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Its enemy is even...the weasel? Gah!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm squinting hard, trying to see whatever Thompson chose to symbolize the king's good side...can anybody else see what she intended it to be? And he's definitely unarmed.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ~Weds
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Re: Tomb
2013-02-13 21:59:55
Oh right!....I thought you meant don"t I wish I was funny! Crossed lines... That's funny...:0) Eileen
--- In , "mairemulholland" wrote:
>
> Oh, Eileen - I only meant it in the most honest, nice way! Poor Richard - a weasel crawling out of his collar (Morton??) Maire.
>
> --- In , "EileenB" wrote:
> >
> > Yes I know you did...but I didnt know what way to take it...Eileen
> >
> > --- In , "mairemulholland" wrote:
> > >
> > > I meant the weasel remark. Maire.
> > >
> > > --- In , "EileenB" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > What do you mean Maire? Eileen
> > > >
> > > > --- In , "mairemulholland" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > You're so funny! Don't you wish? Maire.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In , "EileenB" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It could be a dead weasle?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In , Ishita Bandyo wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Good god! The weasel too?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ishita Bandyo
> > > > > > > www.ishitabandyo.com
> > > > > > > www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
> > > > > > > www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Feb 13, 2013, at 4:07 PM, "wednesday_mc" wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In , Cecilia Latella wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > From the RIII Society website:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "A few years ago, a rather controversial statue of Richard III was
> > > > > > > > > erected in the bailey, close to the entrance. The sculptor, Linda
> > > > > > > > > Thompson, has tried to portray various descriptions of Richard,
> > > > > > > > > including the good king and the Shakespearian villain. A basilisk is
> > > > > > > > > partially visible behind Richard, its tail curling over his right
> > > > > > > > > shoulder to form part of the livery collar."
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Wednesday writes:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > A...basilisk? Oh, sweet heaven, there's a wealth of symbolism in the sculptor's choice of that, and I really don't think it was a coincidental choice.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Definition of the beast from Wikipedia: "In European bestiaries and legends, a basilisk (..."little king;" Latin Regulus) is a legendary reptile reputed to be king of serpents and said to have the power to cause death with a single glance. According to the Naturalis Historia of Pliny the Elder, the basilisk of Cyrene is a small snake, "being not more than twelve fingers in length," that is so venomous that it leaves a wide trail of deadly venom in its wake, and its gaze is likewise lethal; its weakness is in the odor of the weasel, which, according to Pliny, was thrown into the basilisk's hole, recognizable because all the surrounding shrubs and grass had been scorched by its presence. It is possible that the legend of the basilisk and its association with the weasel in Europe was inspired by accounts of certain species of Asiatic snakes (such as the King Cobra) and their natural predator, the mongoose."
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Its enemy is even...the weasel? Gah!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I'm squinting hard, trying to see whatever Thompson chose to symbolize the king's good side...can anybody else see what she intended it to be? And he's definitely unarmed.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ~Weds
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--- In , "mairemulholland" wrote:
>
> Oh, Eileen - I only meant it in the most honest, nice way! Poor Richard - a weasel crawling out of his collar (Morton??) Maire.
>
> --- In , "EileenB" wrote:
> >
> > Yes I know you did...but I didnt know what way to take it...Eileen
> >
> > --- In , "mairemulholland" wrote:
> > >
> > > I meant the weasel remark. Maire.
> > >
> > > --- In , "EileenB" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > What do you mean Maire? Eileen
> > > >
> > > > --- In , "mairemulholland" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > You're so funny! Don't you wish? Maire.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In , "EileenB" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It could be a dead weasle?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In , Ishita Bandyo wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Good god! The weasel too?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ishita Bandyo
> > > > > > > www.ishitabandyo.com
> > > > > > > www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
> > > > > > > www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Feb 13, 2013, at 4:07 PM, "wednesday_mc" wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In , Cecilia Latella wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > From the RIII Society website:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "A few years ago, a rather controversial statue of Richard III was
> > > > > > > > > erected in the bailey, close to the entrance. The sculptor, Linda
> > > > > > > > > Thompson, has tried to portray various descriptions of Richard,
> > > > > > > > > including the good king and the Shakespearian villain. A basilisk is
> > > > > > > > > partially visible behind Richard, its tail curling over his right
> > > > > > > > > shoulder to form part of the livery collar."
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Wednesday writes:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > A...basilisk? Oh, sweet heaven, there's a wealth of symbolism in the sculptor's choice of that, and I really don't think it was a coincidental choice.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Definition of the beast from Wikipedia: "In European bestiaries and legends, a basilisk (..."little king;" Latin Regulus) is a legendary reptile reputed to be king of serpents and said to have the power to cause death with a single glance. According to the Naturalis Historia of Pliny the Elder, the basilisk of Cyrene is a small snake, "being not more than twelve fingers in length," that is so venomous that it leaves a wide trail of deadly venom in its wake, and its gaze is likewise lethal; its weakness is in the odor of the weasel, which, according to Pliny, was thrown into the basilisk's hole, recognizable because all the surrounding shrubs and grass had been scorched by its presence. It is possible that the legend of the basilisk and its association with the weasel in Europe was inspired by accounts of certain species of Asiatic snakes (such as the King Cobra) and their natural predator, the mongoose."
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Its enemy is even...the weasel? Gah!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I'm squinting hard, trying to see whatever Thompson chose to symbolize the king's good side...can anybody else see what she intended it to be? And he's definitely unarmed.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ~Weds
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Re: Tomb
2013-02-13 22:04:44
I loved the idea of a weasel out of Richard's collar since we all call He-who-must-not-be-named: the weasel.
--- In , "EileenB" wrote:
>
> Oh right!....I thought you meant don"t I wish I was funny! Crossed lines... That's funny...:0) Eileen
>
> --- In , "mairemulholland" wrote:
> >
> > Oh, Eileen - I only meant it in the most honest, nice way! Poor Richard - a weasel crawling out of his collar (Morton??) Maire.
> >
> > --- In , "EileenB" wrote:
> > >
> > > Yes I know you did...but I didnt know what way to take it...Eileen
> > >
> > > --- In , "mairemulholland" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I meant the weasel remark. Maire.
> > > >
> > > > --- In , "EileenB" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > What do you mean Maire? Eileen
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In , "mairemulholland" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You're so funny! Don't you wish? Maire.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In , "EileenB" wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It could be a dead weasle?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In , Ishita Bandyo wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Good god! The weasel too?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Ishita Bandyo
> > > > > > > > www.ishitabandyo.com
> > > > > > > > www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
> > > > > > > > www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Feb 13, 2013, at 4:07 PM, "wednesday_mc" wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In , Cecilia Latella wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > From the RIII Society website:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > "A few years ago, a rather controversial statue of Richard III was
> > > > > > > > > > erected in the bailey, close to the entrance. The sculptor, Linda
> > > > > > > > > > Thompson, has tried to portray various descriptions of Richard,
> > > > > > > > > > including the good king and the Shakespearian villain. A basilisk is
> > > > > > > > > > partially visible behind Richard, its tail curling over his right
> > > > > > > > > > shoulder to form part of the livery collar."
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Wednesday writes:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > A...basilisk? Oh, sweet heaven, there's a wealth of symbolism in the sculptor's choice of that, and I really don't think it was a coincidental choice.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Definition of the beast from Wikipedia: "In European bestiaries and legends, a basilisk (..."little king;" Latin Regulus) is a legendary reptile reputed to be king of serpents and said to have the power to cause death with a single glance. According to the Naturalis Historia of Pliny the Elder, the basilisk of Cyrene is a small snake, "being not more than twelve fingers in length," that is so venomous that it leaves a wide trail of deadly venom in its wake, and its gaze is likewise lethal; its weakness is in the odor of the weasel, which, according to Pliny, was thrown into the basilisk's hole, recognizable because all the surrounding shrubs and grass had been scorched by its presence. It is possible that the legend of the basilisk and its association with the weasel in Europe was inspired by accounts of certain species of Asiatic snakes (such as the King Cobra) and their natural predator, the mongoose."
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Its enemy is even...the weasel? Gah!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I'm squinting hard, trying to see whatever Thompson chose to symbolize the king's good side...can anybody else see what she intended it to be? And he's definitely unarmed.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > ~Weds
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--- In , "EileenB" wrote:
>
> Oh right!....I thought you meant don"t I wish I was funny! Crossed lines... That's funny...:0) Eileen
>
> --- In , "mairemulholland" wrote:
> >
> > Oh, Eileen - I only meant it in the most honest, nice way! Poor Richard - a weasel crawling out of his collar (Morton??) Maire.
> >
> > --- In , "EileenB" wrote:
> > >
> > > Yes I know you did...but I didnt know what way to take it...Eileen
> > >
> > > --- In , "mairemulholland" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I meant the weasel remark. Maire.
> > > >
> > > > --- In , "EileenB" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > What do you mean Maire? Eileen
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In , "mairemulholland" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You're so funny! Don't you wish? Maire.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In , "EileenB" wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It could be a dead weasle?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In , Ishita Bandyo wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Good god! The weasel too?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Ishita Bandyo
> > > > > > > > www.ishitabandyo.com
> > > > > > > > www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
> > > > > > > > www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Feb 13, 2013, at 4:07 PM, "wednesday_mc" wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In , Cecilia Latella wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > From the RIII Society website:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > "A few years ago, a rather controversial statue of Richard III was
> > > > > > > > > > erected in the bailey, close to the entrance. The sculptor, Linda
> > > > > > > > > > Thompson, has tried to portray various descriptions of Richard,
> > > > > > > > > > including the good king and the Shakespearian villain. A basilisk is
> > > > > > > > > > partially visible behind Richard, its tail curling over his right
> > > > > > > > > > shoulder to form part of the livery collar."
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Wednesday writes:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > A...basilisk? Oh, sweet heaven, there's a wealth of symbolism in the sculptor's choice of that, and I really don't think it was a coincidental choice.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Definition of the beast from Wikipedia: "In European bestiaries and legends, a basilisk (..."little king;" Latin Regulus) is a legendary reptile reputed to be king of serpents and said to have the power to cause death with a single glance. According to the Naturalis Historia of Pliny the Elder, the basilisk of Cyrene is a small snake, "being not more than twelve fingers in length," that is so venomous that it leaves a wide trail of deadly venom in its wake, and its gaze is likewise lethal; its weakness is in the odor of the weasel, which, according to Pliny, was thrown into the basilisk's hole, recognizable because all the surrounding shrubs and grass had been scorched by its presence. It is possible that the legend of the basilisk and its association with the weasel in Europe was inspired by accounts of certain species of Asiatic snakes (such as the King Cobra) and their natural predator, the mongoose."
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Its enemy is even...the weasel? Gah!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I'm squinting hard, trying to see whatever Thompson chose to symbolize the king's good side...can anybody else see what she intended it to be? And he's definitely unarmed.
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> > > > > > > > > ~Weds
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Re: Tomb
2013-02-13 22:15:06
He-who-must-not-be-named?...Ah,...you mean He who usurped the true King of England's throne, allowed his followers to humiliate a brave man once he was dead, looted his tent and stole his books, and then allowed him name to be ground into the mud...Yep...what a weasle indeed. Eileen...
--- In , "mairemulholland" wrote:
>
> I loved the idea of a weasel out of Richard's collar since we all call He-who-must-not-be-named: the weasel.
>
> --- In , "EileenB" wrote:
> >
> > Oh right!....I thought you meant don"t I wish I was funny! Crossed lines... That's funny...:0) Eileen
> >
> > --- In , "mairemulholland" wrote:
> > >
> > > Oh, Eileen - I only meant it in the most honest, nice way! Poor Richard - a weasel crawling out of his collar (Morton??) Maire.
> > >
> > > --- In , "EileenB" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Yes I know you did...but I didnt know what way to take it...Eileen
> > > >
> > > > --- In , "mairemulholland" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I meant the weasel remark. Maire.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In , "EileenB" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What do you mean Maire? Eileen
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In , "mairemulholland" wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You're so funny! Don't you wish? Maire.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In , "EileenB" wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > It could be a dead weasle?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In , Ishita Bandyo wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Good god! The weasel too?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Ishita Bandyo
> > > > > > > > > www.ishitabandyo.com
> > > > > > > > > www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
> > > > > > > > > www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Feb 13, 2013, at 4:07 PM, "wednesday_mc" wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > --- In , Cecilia Latella wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > From the RIII Society website:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > "A few years ago, a rather controversial statue of Richard III was
> > > > > > > > > > > erected in the bailey, close to the entrance. The sculptor, Linda
> > > > > > > > > > > Thompson, has tried to portray various descriptions of Richard,
> > > > > > > > > > > including the good king and the Shakespearian villain. A basilisk is
> > > > > > > > > > > partially visible behind Richard, its tail curling over his right
> > > > > > > > > > > shoulder to form part of the livery collar."
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Wednesday writes:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > A...basilisk? Oh, sweet heaven, there's a wealth of symbolism in the sculptor's choice of that, and I really don't think it was a coincidental choice.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Definition of the beast from Wikipedia: "In European bestiaries and legends, a basilisk (..."little king;" Latin Regulus) is a legendary reptile reputed to be king of serpents and said to have the power to cause death with a single glance. According to the Naturalis Historia of Pliny the Elder, the basilisk of Cyrene is a small snake, "being not more than twelve fingers in length," that is so venomous that it leaves a wide trail of deadly venom in its wake, and its gaze is likewise lethal; its weakness is in the odor of the weasel, which, according to Pliny, was thrown into the basilisk's hole, recognizable because all the surrounding shrubs and grass had been scorched by its presence. It is possible that the legend of the basilisk and its association with the weasel in Europe was inspired by accounts of certain species of Asiatic snakes (such as the King Cobra) and their natural predator, the mongoose."
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Its enemy is even...the weasel? Gah!
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I'm squinting hard, trying to see whatever Thompson chose to symbolize the king's good side...can anybody else see what she intended it to be? And he's definitely unarmed.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > ~Weds
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--- In , "mairemulholland" wrote:
>
> I loved the idea of a weasel out of Richard's collar since we all call He-who-must-not-be-named: the weasel.
>
> --- In , "EileenB" wrote:
> >
> > Oh right!....I thought you meant don"t I wish I was funny! Crossed lines... That's funny...:0) Eileen
> >
> > --- In , "mairemulholland" wrote:
> > >
> > > Oh, Eileen - I only meant it in the most honest, nice way! Poor Richard - a weasel crawling out of his collar (Morton??) Maire.
> > >
> > > --- In , "EileenB" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Yes I know you did...but I didnt know what way to take it...Eileen
> > > >
> > > > --- In , "mairemulholland" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I meant the weasel remark. Maire.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In , "EileenB" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What do you mean Maire? Eileen
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In , "mairemulholland" wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You're so funny! Don't you wish? Maire.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In , "EileenB" wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > It could be a dead weasle?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In , Ishita Bandyo wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Good god! The weasel too?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Ishita Bandyo
> > > > > > > > > www.ishitabandyo.com
> > > > > > > > > www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
> > > > > > > > > www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Feb 13, 2013, at 4:07 PM, "wednesday_mc" wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > --- In , Cecilia Latella wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > From the RIII Society website:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > "A few years ago, a rather controversial statue of Richard III was
> > > > > > > > > > > erected in the bailey, close to the entrance. The sculptor, Linda
> > > > > > > > > > > Thompson, has tried to portray various descriptions of Richard,
> > > > > > > > > > > including the good king and the Shakespearian villain. A basilisk is
> > > > > > > > > > > partially visible behind Richard, its tail curling over his right
> > > > > > > > > > > shoulder to form part of the livery collar."
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Wednesday writes:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > A...basilisk? Oh, sweet heaven, there's a wealth of symbolism in the sculptor's choice of that, and I really don't think it was a coincidental choice.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Definition of the beast from Wikipedia: "In European bestiaries and legends, a basilisk (..."little king;" Latin Regulus) is a legendary reptile reputed to be king of serpents and said to have the power to cause death with a single glance. According to the Naturalis Historia of Pliny the Elder, the basilisk of Cyrene is a small snake, "being not more than twelve fingers in length," that is so venomous that it leaves a wide trail of deadly venom in its wake, and its gaze is likewise lethal; its weakness is in the odor of the weasel, which, according to Pliny, was thrown into the basilisk's hole, recognizable because all the surrounding shrubs and grass had been scorched by its presence. It is possible that the legend of the basilisk and its association with the weasel in Europe was inspired by accounts of certain species of Asiatic snakes (such as the King Cobra) and their natural predator, the mongoose."
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Its enemy is even...the weasel? Gah!
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I'm squinting hard, trying to see whatever Thompson chose to symbolize the king's good side...can anybody else see what she intended it to be? And he's definitely unarmed.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > ~Weds
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Re: Tomb
2013-02-13 22:23:07
Yes, ma'am! That is who I meant! Maire.
--- In , "EileenB" wrote:
>
> He-who-must-not-be-named?...Ah,...you mean He who usurped the true King of England's throne, allowed his followers to humiliate a brave man once he was dead, looted his tent and stole his books, and then allowed him name to be ground into the mud...Yep...what a weasle indeed. Eileen...
>
> --- In , "mairemulholland" wrote:
> >
> > I loved the idea of a weasel out of Richard's collar since we all call He-who-must-not-be-named: the weasel.
> >
> > --- In , "EileenB" wrote:
> > >
> > > Oh right!....I thought you meant don"t I wish I was funny! Crossed lines... That's funny...:0) Eileen
> > >
> > > --- In , "mairemulholland" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Oh, Eileen - I only meant it in the most honest, nice way! Poor Richard - a weasel crawling out of his collar (Morton??) Maire.
> > > >
> > > > --- In , "EileenB" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes I know you did...but I didnt know what way to take it...Eileen
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In , "mairemulholland" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I meant the weasel remark. Maire.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In , "EileenB" wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What do you mean Maire? Eileen
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In , "mairemulholland" wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You're so funny! Don't you wish? Maire.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In , "EileenB" wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > It could be a dead weasle?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In , Ishita Bandyo wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Good god! The weasel too?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Ishita Bandyo
> > > > > > > > > > www.ishitabandyo.com
> > > > > > > > > > www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
> > > > > > > > > > www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Feb 13, 2013, at 4:07 PM, "wednesday_mc" wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > --- In , Cecilia Latella wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > From the RIII Society website:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > "A few years ago, a rather controversial statue of Richard III was
> > > > > > > > > > > > erected in the bailey, close to the entrance. The sculptor, Linda
> > > > > > > > > > > > Thompson, has tried to portray various descriptions of Richard,
> > > > > > > > > > > > including the good king and the Shakespearian villain. A basilisk is
> > > > > > > > > > > > partially visible behind Richard, its tail curling over his right
> > > > > > > > > > > > shoulder to form part of the livery collar."
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday writes:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > A...basilisk? Oh, sweet heaven, there's a wealth of symbolism in the sculptor's choice of that, and I really don't think it was a coincidental choice.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Definition of the beast from Wikipedia: "In European bestiaries and legends, a basilisk (..."little king;" Latin Regulus) is a legendary reptile reputed to be king of serpents and said to have the power to cause death with a single glance. According to the Naturalis Historia of Pliny the Elder, the basilisk of Cyrene is a small snake, "being not more than twelve fingers in length," that is so venomous that it leaves a wide trail of deadly venom in its wake, and its gaze is likewise lethal; its weakness is in the odor of the weasel, which, according to Pliny, was thrown into the basilisk's hole, recognizable because all the surrounding shrubs and grass had been scorched by its presence. It is possible that the legend of the basilisk and its association with the weasel in Europe was inspired by accounts of certain species of Asiatic snakes (such as the King Cobra) and their natural predator, the mongoose."
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Its enemy is even...the weasel? Gah!
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I'm squinting hard, trying to see whatever Thompson chose to symbolize the king's good side...can anybody else see what she intended it to be? And he's definitely unarmed.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > ~Weds
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--- In , "EileenB" wrote:
>
> He-who-must-not-be-named?...Ah,...you mean He who usurped the true King of England's throne, allowed his followers to humiliate a brave man once he was dead, looted his tent and stole his books, and then allowed him name to be ground into the mud...Yep...what a weasle indeed. Eileen...
>
> --- In , "mairemulholland" wrote:
> >
> > I loved the idea of a weasel out of Richard's collar since we all call He-who-must-not-be-named: the weasel.
> >
> > --- In , "EileenB" wrote:
> > >
> > > Oh right!....I thought you meant don"t I wish I was funny! Crossed lines... That's funny...:0) Eileen
> > >
> > > --- In , "mairemulholland" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Oh, Eileen - I only meant it in the most honest, nice way! Poor Richard - a weasel crawling out of his collar (Morton??) Maire.
> > > >
> > > > --- In , "EileenB" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes I know you did...but I didnt know what way to take it...Eileen
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In , "mairemulholland" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I meant the weasel remark. Maire.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In , "EileenB" wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What do you mean Maire? Eileen
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In , "mairemulholland" wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You're so funny! Don't you wish? Maire.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In , "EileenB" wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > It could be a dead weasle?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In , Ishita Bandyo wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Good god! The weasel too?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Ishita Bandyo
> > > > > > > > > > www.ishitabandyo.com
> > > > > > > > > > www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
> > > > > > > > > > www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Feb 13, 2013, at 4:07 PM, "wednesday_mc" wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > --- In , Cecilia Latella wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > From the RIII Society website:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > "A few years ago, a rather controversial statue of Richard III was
> > > > > > > > > > > > erected in the bailey, close to the entrance. The sculptor, Linda
> > > > > > > > > > > > Thompson, has tried to portray various descriptions of Richard,
> > > > > > > > > > > > including the good king and the Shakespearian villain. A basilisk is
> > > > > > > > > > > > partially visible behind Richard, its tail curling over his right
> > > > > > > > > > > > shoulder to form part of the livery collar."
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday writes:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > A...basilisk? Oh, sweet heaven, there's a wealth of symbolism in the sculptor's choice of that, and I really don't think it was a coincidental choice.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Definition of the beast from Wikipedia: "In European bestiaries and legends, a basilisk (..."little king;" Latin Regulus) is a legendary reptile reputed to be king of serpents and said to have the power to cause death with a single glance. According to the Naturalis Historia of Pliny the Elder, the basilisk of Cyrene is a small snake, "being not more than twelve fingers in length," that is so venomous that it leaves a wide trail of deadly venom in its wake, and its gaze is likewise lethal; its weakness is in the odor of the weasel, which, according to Pliny, was thrown into the basilisk's hole, recognizable because all the surrounding shrubs and grass had been scorched by its presence. It is possible that the legend of the basilisk and its association with the weasel in Europe was inspired by accounts of certain species of Asiatic snakes (such as the King Cobra) and their natural predator, the mongoose."
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Its enemy is even...the weasel? Gah!
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I'm squinting hard, trying to see whatever Thompson chose to symbolize the king's good side...can anybody else see what she intended it to be? And he's definitely unarmed.
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Re: Tomb
2013-02-14 09:43:06
This is a real Monty Python - not the dead parrot the dead weasel!
________________________________
From: EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@...>
To:
Sent: Wednesday, 13 February 2013, 21:59
Subject: Re: Tomb
Oh right!....I thought you meant don"t I wish I was funny! Crossed lines... That's funny...:0) Eileen
--- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, "mairemulholland" wrote:
>
> Oh, Eileen - I only meant it in the most honest, nice way! Poor Richard - a weasel crawling out of his collar (Morton??) Maire.
>
> --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, "EileenB" wrote:
> >
> > Yes I know you did...but I didnt know what way to take it...Eileen
> >
> > --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, "mairemulholland" wrote:
> > >
> > > I meant the weasel remark. Maire.
> > >
> > > --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, "EileenB" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > What do you mean Maire? Eileen
> > > >
> > > > --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, "mairemulholland" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > You're so funny! Don't you wish? Maire.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, "EileenB" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It could be a dead weasle?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, Ishita Bandyo wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Good god! The weasel too?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ishita Bandyo
> > > > > > > www.ishitabandyo.com
> > > > > > > www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
> > > > > > > www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Feb 13, 2013, at 4:07 PM, "wednesday_mc" wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, Cecilia Latella wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > From the RIII Society website:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "A few years ago, a rather controversial statue of Richard III was
> > > > > > > > > erected in the bailey, close to the entrance. The sculptor, Linda
> > > > > > > > > Thompson, has tried to portray various descriptions of Richard,
> > > > > > > > > including the good king and the Shakespearian villain. A basilisk is
> > > > > > > > > partially visible behind Richard, its tail curling over his right
> > > > > > > > > shoulder to form part of the livery collar."
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Wednesday writes:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > A...basilisk? Oh, sweet heaven, there's a wealth of symbolism in the sculptor's choice of that, and I really don't think it was a coincidental choice.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Definition of the beast from Wikipedia: "In European bestiaries and legends, a basilisk (..."little king;" Latin Regulus) is a legendary reptile reputed to be king of serpents and said to have the power to cause death with a single glance. According to the Naturalis Historia of Pliny the Elder, the basilisk of Cyrene is a small snake, "being not more than twelve fingers in length," that is so venomous that it leaves a wide trail of deadly venom in its wake, and its gaze is likewise lethal; its weakness is in the odor of the weasel, which, according to Pliny, was thrown into the basilisk's hole, recognizable because all the surrounding shrubs and grass had been scorched by its presence. It is possible that the legend of the basilisk and its association with the weasel in Europe was inspired by accounts of certain species of Asiatic snakes (such as the King Cobra) and their natural predator, the mongoose."
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Its enemy is even...the weasel? Gah!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I'm squinting hard, trying to see whatever Thompson chose to symbolize the king's good side...can anybody else see what she intended it to be? And he's definitely unarmed.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ~Weds
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
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> > >
> >
>
________________________________
From: EileenB <cherryripe.eileenb@...>
To:
Sent: Wednesday, 13 February 2013, 21:59
Subject: Re: Tomb
Oh right!....I thought you meant don"t I wish I was funny! Crossed lines... That's funny...:0) Eileen
--- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, "mairemulholland" wrote:
>
> Oh, Eileen - I only meant it in the most honest, nice way! Poor Richard - a weasel crawling out of his collar (Morton??) Maire.
>
> --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, "EileenB" wrote:
> >
> > Yes I know you did...but I didnt know what way to take it...Eileen
> >
> > --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, "mairemulholland" wrote:
> > >
> > > I meant the weasel remark. Maire.
> > >
> > > --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, "EileenB" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > What do you mean Maire? Eileen
> > > >
> > > > --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, "mairemulholland" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > You're so funny! Don't you wish? Maire.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, "EileenB" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It could be a dead weasle?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, Ishita Bandyo wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Good god! The weasel too?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ishita Bandyo
> > > > > > > www.ishitabandyo.com
> > > > > > > www.facebook.com/ishitabandyofinearts
> > > > > > > www.ishitabandyoarts.blogspot.com
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Feb 13, 2013, at 4:07 PM, "wednesday_mc" wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In mailto:%40yahoogroups.com, Cecilia Latella wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > From the RIII Society website:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "A few years ago, a rather controversial statue of Richard III was
> > > > > > > > > erected in the bailey, close to the entrance. The sculptor, Linda
> > > > > > > > > Thompson, has tried to portray various descriptions of Richard,
> > > > > > > > > including the good king and the Shakespearian villain. A basilisk is
> > > > > > > > > partially visible behind Richard, its tail curling over his right
> > > > > > > > > shoulder to form part of the livery collar."
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Wednesday writes:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > A...basilisk? Oh, sweet heaven, there's a wealth of symbolism in the sculptor's choice of that, and I really don't think it was a coincidental choice.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Definition of the beast from Wikipedia: "In European bestiaries and legends, a basilisk (..."little king;" Latin Regulus) is a legendary reptile reputed to be king of serpents and said to have the power to cause death with a single glance. According to the Naturalis Historia of Pliny the Elder, the basilisk of Cyrene is a small snake, "being not more than twelve fingers in length," that is so venomous that it leaves a wide trail of deadly venom in its wake, and its gaze is likewise lethal; its weakness is in the odor of the weasel, which, according to Pliny, was thrown into the basilisk's hole, recognizable because all the surrounding shrubs and grass had been scorched by its presence. It is possible that the legend of the basilisk and its association with the weasel in Europe was inspired by accounts of certain species of Asiatic snakes (such as the King Cobra) and their natural predator, the mongoose."
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Its enemy is even...the weasel? Gah!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I'm squinting hard, trying to see whatever Thompson chose to symbolize the king's good side...can anybody else see what she intended it to be? And he's definitely unarmed.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ~Weds
> > > > > > > >
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>
Tomb
2013-02-14 14:39:28
Also good to see the Yes vote on the design for Richard's tomb is way
ahead of the no vote.
Paul
-- Richard Liveth Yet!
ahead of the no vote.
Paul
-- Richard Liveth Yet!
Re: Tomb
2013-02-14 14:56:22
For those who have only seen the photo of the tomb in newspaper sources, I would suggest that you go to the Richard the Third Society website. There is a wonderful photo there and shows the new tomb design in all its glory. (In some of the newspaper photos, the tomb looks as big as the cardboard box used in the doc.) Maire.
--- In , Paul Trevor Bale wrote:
>
> Also good to see the Yes vote on the design for Richard's tomb is way
> ahead of the no vote.
> Paul
>
> -- Richard Liveth Yet!
>
--- In , Paul Trevor Bale wrote:
>
> Also good to see the Yes vote on the design for Richard's tomb is way
> ahead of the no vote.
> Paul
>
> -- Richard Liveth Yet!
>
Re: Tomb
2013-02-14 16:34:53
liz williams wrote:
>
> Never having been to Middleham (I always wanted to but think it's put me off now) I had to google this. It's awful and it does look a lizard or something crawling up his back (and yes, where the hell are his arms?)
> It looks like it was designed by a Tudor.
Carol responds:
Does anyone know who commissioned it and chose this particular sculptor? If it was the R III Society, they should take it down and replace with one by the sculptor who did the Bosworth statue, which I love. (They should probably place a duplicate at the real site if and when it becomes a tourist attraction.)
Middleham, of all places. Richard's home. What were they (whoever is in charge of the site) thinking by accepting it and installing it? They should have made sure that she read the contemporary descriptions and maybe Kendall's biography before she even began her work.
Carol
>
> Never having been to Middleham (I always wanted to but think it's put me off now) I had to google this. It's awful and it does look a lizard or something crawling up his back (and yes, where the hell are his arms?)
> It looks like it was designed by a Tudor.
Carol responds:
Does anyone know who commissioned it and chose this particular sculptor? If it was the R III Society, they should take it down and replace with one by the sculptor who did the Bosworth statue, which I love. (They should probably place a duplicate at the real site if and when it becomes a tourist attraction.)
Middleham, of all places. Richard's home. What were they (whoever is in charge of the site) thinking by accepting it and installing it? They should have made sure that she read the contemporary descriptions and maybe Kendall's biography before she even began her work.
Carol
Re: Tomb
2013-02-14 16:51:32
Its owned by English Heritage & they have the say on what is/isnt displayed
there... perhaps an email to them...
I agree its awful & not 'easy' to interpret what is meant by it.
I avoided it when I I visited
Lisa
On 14 February 2013 12:34, justcarol67 <justcarol67@...> wrote:
> **
>
>
> liz williams wrote:
> >
> > Never having been to Middleham (I always wanted to but think it's put me
> off now) I had to google this. It's awful and it does look a lizard or
> something crawling up his back (and yes, where the hell are his arms?)
>
> > It looks like it was designed by a Tudor.
>
> Carol responds:
>
> Does anyone know who commissioned it and chose this particular sculptor?
> If it was the R III Society, they should take it down and replace with one
> by the sculptor who did the Bosworth statue, which I love. (They should
> probably place a duplicate at the real site if and when it becomes a
> tourist attraction.)
>
> Middleham, of all places. Richard's home. What were they (whoever is in
> charge of the site) thinking by accepting it and installing it? They should
> have made sure that she read the contemporary descriptions and maybe
> Kendall's biography before she even began her work.
>
> Carol
>
>
>
--
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there... perhaps an email to them...
I agree its awful & not 'easy' to interpret what is meant by it.
I avoided it when I I visited
Lisa
On 14 February 2013 12:34, justcarol67 <justcarol67@...> wrote:
> **
>
>
> liz williams wrote:
> >
> > Never having been to Middleham (I always wanted to but think it's put me
> off now) I had to google this. It's awful and it does look a lizard or
> something crawling up his back (and yes, where the hell are his arms?)
>
> > It looks like it was designed by a Tudor.
>
> Carol responds:
>
> Does anyone know who commissioned it and chose this particular sculptor?
> If it was the R III Society, they should take it down and replace with one
> by the sculptor who did the Bosworth statue, which I love. (They should
> probably place a duplicate at the real site if and when it becomes a
> tourist attraction.)
>
> Middleham, of all places. Richard's home. What were they (whoever is in
> charge of the site) thinking by accepting it and installing it? They should
> have made sure that she read the contemporary descriptions and maybe
> Kendall's biography before she even began her work.
>
> Carol
>
>
>
--
Lisa
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Re: Tomb
2013-02-14 17:00:59
Hi All, I love Middleham Castle I always feel at home there but I hate that statue, I have often thought about sneaking in with a group of people and removing it ,or at least taking a hammer and chisel to it to improve it.
Richard would never have stood like that with his head down and I don,t like the Shakespearian conotations.
Loyaulte me Lie
Christine
________________________________
From: "Lisa @ The Antiques Boutique" <lisa.holtjones@...>
To:
Sent: Thursday, 14 February 2013, 16:51
Subject: Re: Tomb
Its owned by English Heritage & they have the say on what is/isnt displayed
there... perhaps an email to them...
I agree its awful & not 'easy' to interpret what is meant by it.
I avoided it when I I visited
Lisa
On 14 February 2013 12:34, justcarol67 <justcarol67@...> wrote:
> **
>
>
> liz williams wrote:
> >
> > Never having been to Middleham (I always wanted to but think it's put me
> off now) I had to google this. It's awful and it does look a lizard or
> something crawling up his back (and yes, where the hell are his arms?)
>
> > It looks like it was designed by a Tudor.
>
> Carol responds:
>
> Does anyone know who commissioned it and chose this particular sculptor?
> If it was the R III Society, they should take it down and replace with one
> by the sculptor who did the Bosworth statue, which I love. (They should
> probably place a duplicate at the real site if and when it becomes a
> tourist attraction.)
>
> Middleham, of all places. Richard's home. What were they (whoever is in
> charge of the site) thinking by accepting it and installing it? They should
> have made sure that she read the contemporary descriptions and maybe
> Kendall's biography before she even began her work.
>
> Carol
>
>
>
--
Lisa
The Antiques Boutique & Ceramic Restoration/Conservation Services
Baddeck, Nova Scotia.
Tel: 902 295 9013 / 1329
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Richard would never have stood like that with his head down and I don,t like the Shakespearian conotations.
Loyaulte me Lie
Christine
________________________________
From: "Lisa @ The Antiques Boutique" <lisa.holtjones@...>
To:
Sent: Thursday, 14 February 2013, 16:51
Subject: Re: Tomb
Its owned by English Heritage & they have the say on what is/isnt displayed
there... perhaps an email to them...
I agree its awful & not 'easy' to interpret what is meant by it.
I avoided it when I I visited
Lisa
On 14 February 2013 12:34, justcarol67 <justcarol67@...> wrote:
> **
>
>
> liz williams wrote:
> >
> > Never having been to Middleham (I always wanted to but think it's put me
> off now) I had to google this. It's awful and it does look a lizard or
> something crawling up his back (and yes, where the hell are his arms?)
>
> > It looks like it was designed by a Tudor.
>
> Carol responds:
>
> Does anyone know who commissioned it and chose this particular sculptor?
> If it was the R III Society, they should take it down and replace with one
> by the sculptor who did the Bosworth statue, which I love. (They should
> probably place a duplicate at the real site if and when it becomes a
> tourist attraction.)
>
> Middleham, of all places. Richard's home. What were they (whoever is in
> charge of the site) thinking by accepting it and installing it? They should
> have made sure that she read the contemporary descriptions and maybe
> Kendall's biography before she even began her work.
>
> Carol
>
>
>
--
Lisa
The Antiques Boutique & Ceramic Restoration/Conservation Services
Baddeck, Nova Scotia.
Tel: 902 295 9013 / 1329
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Re: Tomb
2013-02-14 19:45:42
Thanks Maire, I've just had a look. I like it very much and I'll definitely vote for it. It is calm and dignified. I don't know if there is any suitable limestone in the Dales but that would be a lovely idea.
Marie
--- In , "mairemulholland" wrote:
>
> For those who have only seen the photo of the tomb in newspaper sources, I would suggest that you go to the Richard the Third Society website. There is a wonderful photo there and shows the new tomb design in all its glory. (In some of the newspaper photos, the tomb looks as big as the cardboard box used in the doc.) Maire.
>
> --- In , Paul Trevor Bale wrote:
> >
> > Also good to see the Yes vote on the design for Richard's tomb is way
> > ahead of the no vote.
> > Paul
> >
> > -- Richard Liveth Yet!
> >
>
Marie
--- In , "mairemulholland" wrote:
>
> For those who have only seen the photo of the tomb in newspaper sources, I would suggest that you go to the Richard the Third Society website. There is a wonderful photo there and shows the new tomb design in all its glory. (In some of the newspaper photos, the tomb looks as big as the cardboard box used in the doc.) Maire.
>
> --- In , Paul Trevor Bale wrote:
> >
> > Also good to see the Yes vote on the design for Richard's tomb is way
> > ahead of the no vote.
> > Paul
> >
> > -- Richard Liveth Yet!
> >
>
Re: Tomb
2013-02-14 19:50:26
I love Middleham too but I hate that statue. I think everyone hates it. But Middleham has such an atmosphere the statute shouldn't put anyone off going.
Marie
--- In , C HOLMES wrote:
>
> Hi All, I love Middleham Castle I always feel at home there but I hate that statue, I have often thought about sneaking in with a group of people and removing it ,or at least taking a hammer and chisel to it to improve it.
> Richard would never have stood like that with his head down and I don,t like the Shakespearian conotations.
> Loyaulte me Lie
> Christine
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "Lisa @ The Antiques Boutique"
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, 14 February 2013, 16:51
> Subject: Re: Tomb
>
> Its owned by English Heritage & they have the say on what is/isnt displayed
> there... perhaps an email to them...
> I agree its awful & not 'easy' to interpret what is meant by it.
> I avoided it when I I visited
>
> Lisa
>
> On 14 February 2013 12:34, justcarol67 wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > liz williams wrote:
> > >
> > > Never having been to Middleham (I always wanted to but think it's put me
> > off now) I had to google this. It's awful and it does look a lizard or
> > something crawling up his back (and yes, where the hell are his arms?)
> >
> > > It looks like it was designed by a Tudor.
> >
> > Carol responds:
> >
> > Does anyone know who commissioned it and chose this particular sculptor?
> > If it was the R III Society, they should take it down and replace with one
> > by the sculptor who did the Bosworth statue, which I love. (They should
> > probably place a duplicate at the real site if and when it becomes a
> > tourist attraction.)
> >
> > Middleham, of all places. Richard's home. What were they (whoever is in
> > charge of the site) thinking by accepting it and installing it? They should
> > have made sure that she read the contemporary descriptions and maybe
> > Kendall's biography before she even began her work.
> >
> > Carol
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Lisa
> The Antiques Boutique & Ceramic Restoration/Conservation Services
> Baddeck, Nova Scotia.
> Tel: 902 295 9013 / 1329
>
> www.Antiques-Boutique.com
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> View our Ceramic Restoration Photos
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
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>
>
>
>
>
Marie
--- In , C HOLMES wrote:
>
> Hi All, I love Middleham Castle I always feel at home there but I hate that statue, I have often thought about sneaking in with a group of people and removing it ,or at least taking a hammer and chisel to it to improve it.
> Richard would never have stood like that with his head down and I don,t like the Shakespearian conotations.
> Loyaulte me Lie
> Christine
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "Lisa @ The Antiques Boutique"
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, 14 February 2013, 16:51
> Subject: Re: Tomb
>
> Its owned by English Heritage & they have the say on what is/isnt displayed
> there... perhaps an email to them...
> I agree its awful & not 'easy' to interpret what is meant by it.
> I avoided it when I I visited
>
> Lisa
>
> On 14 February 2013 12:34, justcarol67 wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > liz williams wrote:
> > >
> > > Never having been to Middleham (I always wanted to but think it's put me
> > off now) I had to google this. It's awful and it does look a lizard or
> > something crawling up his back (and yes, where the hell are his arms?)
> >
> > > It looks like it was designed by a Tudor.
> >
> > Carol responds:
> >
> > Does anyone know who commissioned it and chose this particular sculptor?
> > If it was the R III Society, they should take it down and replace with one
> > by the sculptor who did the Bosworth statue, which I love. (They should
> > probably place a duplicate at the real site if and when it becomes a
> > tourist attraction.)
> >
> > Middleham, of all places. Richard's home. What were they (whoever is in
> > charge of the site) thinking by accepting it and installing it? They should
> > have made sure that she read the contemporary descriptions and maybe
> > Kendall's biography before she even began her work.
> >
> > Carol
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Lisa
> The Antiques Boutique & Ceramic Restoration/Conservation Services
> Baddeck, Nova Scotia.
> Tel: 902 295 9013 / 1329
>
> www.Antiques-Boutique.com
> Like us on *www.facebook.com/TheAntiquesBoutique*
> View our Ceramic Restoration Photos
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>
Re: Tomb
2013-02-14 20:42:05
Carol...I cannot for my life remember a statue of Richard at Bosworth..Do you mean the wonderful statue that is at Leicester....Eileen
--- In , "justcarol67" wrote:
>
>
If it was the R III Society, they should take it down and replace with one by the sculptor who did the Bosworth statue, which I love. (They should probably place a duplicate at the real site if and when it becomes a tourist attraction.)
>
> Middleham, of all places. Richard's home. What were they (whoever is in charge of the site) thinking by accepting it and installing it? They should have made sure that she read the contemporary descriptions and maybe Kendall's biography before she even began her work.
>
> Carol
>
--- In , "justcarol67" wrote:
>
>
If it was the R III Society, they should take it down and replace with one by the sculptor who did the Bosworth statue, which I love. (They should probably place a duplicate at the real site if and when it becomes a tourist attraction.)
>
> Middleham, of all places. Richard's home. What were they (whoever is in charge of the site) thinking by accepting it and installing it? They should have made sure that she read the contemporary descriptions and maybe Kendall's biography before she even began her work.
>
> Carol
>
Re: Tomb
2013-02-15 01:28:11
"mairemulholland" wrote:
>
> I loved the idea of a weasel out of Richard's collar since we all call He-who-must-not-be-named: the weasel.
Carol responds:
Henry the Voldemort? Or is that just Henry Voldemort?
Carol
>
> I loved the idea of a weasel out of Richard's collar since we all call He-who-must-not-be-named: the weasel.
Carol responds:
Henry the Voldemort? Or is that just Henry Voldemort?
Carol
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