Austin Friars?

Hi all,

I'm still quite new to the group, and am doing my best to go through
available first- and second-hand literature on Richard III and his
times.

I'm hoping that someone in the group can help clarify one minor point
that has me wondering.

According to the literature, Perkin Warbeck was buried at Austin
Friars church after his execution. Now, after the Dissolution of the
monasteries, the church was given by Edward VI to a group of Dutch
Protestants -- and is still known as the 'Dutch Church'. It appears
to have taken considerable damage during the Blitz.

Does anyone know whether the interior retains any of its 15th century
elements and whether any of the graves still exist?

Also, is there any particular reason why someone executed on Tower
Hill would be taken to that church when there were so many other
churches closer?

If anyone can shed light on this, I'd be most grateful.

>
> According to the literature, Perkin Warbeck was buried at Austin
> Friars church after his execution. Now, after the Dissolution of
the
> monasteries, the church was given by Edward VI to a group of Dutch
> Protestants -- and is still known as the 'Dutch Church'. It
appears
> to have taken considerable damage during the Blitz.
>
> Does anyone know whether the interior retains any of its 15th
century
> elements and whether any of the graves still exist?
>
> Also, is there any particular reason why someone executed on Tower
> Hill would be taken to that church when there were so many other
> churches closer?
>
> If anyone can shed light on this, I'd be most grateful.

Welcome! I also don't know the answer to that one, but found this -
not much more than you already know though:

http://www.london-arch-soc.demon.co.uk/abstracts/watson1994.html

The church seems to have been rebuilt so why not phone the vicar and
ask?
Brunhild

--- In , "meenivettle"
<meenivettle@y...> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm still quite new to the group, and am doing my best to go
through
> available first- and second-hand literature on Richard III and his
> times.
>
> I'm hoping that someone in the group can help clarify one minor
point
> that has me wondering.
>
> According to the literature, Perkin Warbeck was buried at Austin
> Friars church after his execution. Now, after the Dissolution of
the
> monasteries, the church was given by Edward VI to a group of Dutch
> Protestants -- and is still known as the 'Dutch Church'. It appears
> to have taken considerable damage during the Blitz.
>
> Does anyone know whether the interior retains any of its 15th
century
> elements and whether any of the graves still exist?
>
> Also, is there any particular reason why someone executed on Tower
> Hill would be taken to that church when there were so many other
> churches closer?
>
> If anyone can shed light on this, I'd be most grateful.

Hello, and a very warm welcome to the group/ madhouse.

I don't have an answer for you offhand, but I'll try to give it some
thought it I have time (inlaws coming this weekend, though). Only
first thought is that it was a friary, not just a church, so that
might be relevant.

Marie

--- In , "meenivettle"
<meenivettle@y...> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm still quite new to the group, and am doing my best to go
through
> available first- and second-hand literature on Richard III and his
> times.
>
> I'm hoping that someone in the group can help clarify one minor
point
> that has me wondering.
>
> According to the literature, Perkin Warbeck was buried at Austin
> Friars church after his execution. Now, after the Dissolution of
the
> monasteries, the church was given by Edward VI to a group of Dutch
> Protestants -- and is still known as the 'Dutch Church'. It appears
> to have taken considerable damage during the Blitz.
>
> Does anyone know whether the interior retains any of its 15th
century
> elements and whether any of the graves still exist?
>
> Also, is there any particular reason why someone executed on Tower
> Hill would be taken to that church when there were so many other
> churches closer?
>
> If anyone can shed light on this, I'd be most grateful.


Hi,

Just found the following on the Austin Friars in one of the
Ricardians I'd pulled out for notes on the Countess of Warwick.

It was a foundation of the de Bohuns Earls of Hereford. Entrance was
from Old Bread Street. The high, slender steeple was one of the
wonders of London. Earlier on there were many exalted types buried
there:
Humphrey de Bohun, Earl of Hereford & Essex (rebuilder of church),
1361
Lucia Visconti, Duchess of Kent
Edward, eldest son of the Black Prince

But then comes a period when the "west wing" becomes a popular place
to bury executed traitors (at least, gentlemen & up):
Earl of Oxford and son Aubrey, ex. 1462
Sir Thomas Tuddenham, ex. 1462
William Tyrell of Gipping (father of Sir James), ex. 1462
Sir Thomas de la Laund, ex. 1470
Many of the gentlemen slain at Barnet
William Colyngbourne, ex 1484
Sir Roger Clifford, ex. 1484
Sir James Tyrell & Sir John Wyndham, ex 1502

Though in 1521, the executed Edward Stafford, Duke of Buckingham was
to be buried in the quire.

The author (William Hampton) suggests that 'Perkin Warbeck' & the
Mayor of Cork were most probably laid in the 'west wing' (he queries
whether it was a transept) with all the other executed traitors.

So that would seem to provide the answer.

Marie

--- In , "mariewalsh2003"
<marie@r...> wrote:
> --- In , "meenivettle"
> <meenivettle@y...> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'm still quite new to the group, and am doing my best to go
> through
> > available first- and second-hand literature on Richard III and
his
> > times.
> >
> > I'm hoping that someone in the group can help clarify one minor
> point
> > that has me wondering.
> >
> > According to the literature, Perkin Warbeck was buried at Austin
> > Friars church after his execution. Now, after the Dissolution of
> the
> > monasteries, the church was given by Edward VI to a group of
Dutch
> > Protestants -- and is still known as the 'Dutch Church'. It
appears
> > to have taken considerable damage during the Blitz.
> >
> > Does anyone know whether the interior retains any of its 15th
> century
> > elements and whether any of the graves still exist?

Weinreb & Hibbert say the choir, tower & transepts were demolished in
1600, & t The remainder was burned down in 1862 and rebuilt the
following year, though Hampton's article says "the nave of the church
survived - many brass indents being visible - until it was destroyed
by enemy action in 1940-41."
Weinreb & Hibbert say it was rebuilt in the 1950s. So sadly the
present church contains nothing of its medieval predecessor.

Marie