Henry VII (Was: Psychologists analyze Richard)
Henry VII (Was: Psychologists analyze Richard)
2013-03-06 14:43:46
Yahoo won't let me reply to Claire's post, so I'm trying again in a new message.
Claire wrote:
"He [Henry Tudor] was ripped away from his mother and sent abroad when he was two or three years old. And I remember reading (don't ask me where) that like Richard he had a girl he'd known when they were children and whom he was in love with, but she was a commoner so marrying her didn't suit France's plans for him.
Carol responds:
I'm no authority on Henry Tudor, so please correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that it was Jasper Tudor who fled abroad in 1461. He would have no need to take the unimportant Henry with him since the Lancastrian king Henry VI and his son Edward were very much alive. Edward did later give Henry Tudor as a ward to the Welsh Yorkist William Herbert (who had taken an English name), who replaced Jasper Tudor as Earl of Pembroke. That was in 1468, so Henry would have been eleven. Herbert planned to marry Henry to his own daughter (who can't be the Maude Herbert that he later tried to marry since William's daughter Maud married Henry Percy, Earl of Northumberland, ca. 1473-76). William Herbert was illegally executed by Warwick and Clarence in July 1469, when Henry would have been twelve and a half. Where Henry went after that I don't know (maybe he briefly went back to his mother or maybe was sent to Eton?), but when Jasper Tudor returned from exile in 1470, he briefly took Henry to court with him. Only when Edward regained the throne in 1471 did Henry, aged fourteen, flee to Britanny as an exile. It seems to me that his hardships pale in comparison with Richard's at the same age. What's sad is that if Warwick hadn't murdered William Herbert, Tudor might have grown up Yorkist with no more thought than any other Beaufort, his mother aside, of claiming the throne.
Carol
Claire wrote:
"He [Henry Tudor] was ripped away from his mother and sent abroad when he was two or three years old. And I remember reading (don't ask me where) that like Richard he had a girl he'd known when they were children and whom he was in love with, but she was a commoner so marrying her didn't suit France's plans for him.
Carol responds:
I'm no authority on Henry Tudor, so please correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that it was Jasper Tudor who fled abroad in 1461. He would have no need to take the unimportant Henry with him since the Lancastrian king Henry VI and his son Edward were very much alive. Edward did later give Henry Tudor as a ward to the Welsh Yorkist William Herbert (who had taken an English name), who replaced Jasper Tudor as Earl of Pembroke. That was in 1468, so Henry would have been eleven. Herbert planned to marry Henry to his own daughter (who can't be the Maude Herbert that he later tried to marry since William's daughter Maud married Henry Percy, Earl of Northumberland, ca. 1473-76). William Herbert was illegally executed by Warwick and Clarence in July 1469, when Henry would have been twelve and a half. Where Henry went after that I don't know (maybe he briefly went back to his mother or maybe was sent to Eton?), but when Jasper Tudor returned from exile in 1470, he briefly took Henry to court with him. Only when Edward regained the throne in 1471 did Henry, aged fourteen, flee to Britanny as an exile. It seems to me that his hardships pale in comparison with Richard's at the same age. What's sad is that if Warwick hadn't murdered William Herbert, Tudor might have grown up Yorkist with no more thought than any other Beaufort, his mother aside, of claiming the throne.
Carol
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