What happened to the " traitors' " wives?

I was just wondering what happened to the widows of Richard's friends after Bosworth. Specially that of Rob Percy', Ratcliffe and Lovell?And their children. Any idea anyone?

Ishita Bandyo
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I was just reading last night about Henry's act of attainder. There was apparently an entire section relating to the widows and children of the attainted, but the source didn't reproduce that part.

--- In , Ishita Bandyo <bandyoi@...> wrote:
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> I was just wondering what happened to the widows of Richard's friends after Bosworth. Specially that of Rob Percy', Ratcliffe and Lovell?And their children. Any idea anyone?
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> Ishita Bandyo
> Sent from my iPad
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Ishita Bandyo wrote:
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> I was just wondering what happened to the widows of Richard's friends after Bosworth. Specially that of Rob Percy', Ratcliffe and Lovell? And their children. Any idea anyone?

Carol responds:

That's a very good question, especially given Richard's known generosity to widows (and Henry's action in "returning" the Countess of Warwick's lands, confiscated under Edward, only to force her to "give" them to him). Lovell was childless but his wife was still living in 1487 (after the Battle of Stoke, Lovell's second act of "treason" against Tudor). If you have access to the Dictionary of National Biography (I don't), that's the best place to check. Failing that, there's always Wikipedia (though I would treat any information provided there with a grain of salt).

Anyone know what "Winter King" says about it, if anything?

Carol

DNB article about Francis (by Rosemary Horrox) says this (she doesn't have her own entry)
 
 
Lovell's wife was granted an annuity of £20 p.a. from the exchequer in December 1489. She was still alive in 1495, when her interests were protected in her husband's attainder.
 
The 1487 act had omitted himnegligently, it was claimed, although it is more likely to have been because he was then already under attainder. Lovell had no children, and his heirs were his sisters Joan Lovell, who married Sir Brian Stapilton, and Frideswide Lovell, who married Edward Norreys. Henry VIII later granted their heirs some of the Beaumont lands, but Lovell's attainder was never reversed.
 
 
 


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From: justcarol67 <justcarol67@...>
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Carol responds:

That's a very good question, especially given Richard's known generosity to widows (and Henry's action in "returning" the Countess of Warwick's lands, confiscated under Edward, only to force her to "give" them to him). Lovell was childless but his wife was still living in 1487 (after the Battle of Stoke, Lovell's second act of "treason" against Tudor). If you have access to the Dictionary of National Biography (I don't), that's the best place to check. Failing that, there's always Wikipedia (though I would treat any information provided there with a grain of salt).

Anyone know what "Winter King" says about it, if anything?

Carol

From: liz williams
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Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: Re: What happened to the "
traitors' " wives?


> Lovell's wife was granted an annuity of £20 p.a. from the exchequer in
> December 1489. She was still alive in 1495, when her interests were
> protected in her husband's attainder.

There's a website which calculates the spending power of money through the
ages - I think £20 is about £13,000 now, because I know the £10 Henry spent
on Richard's tombstone came to just under £6,500. It's not great riches but
it's liveable, expecially if she didn't have to pay taxes on that.

Did Ratcliffe or Percy widows get any such annuity?

Ishita Bandyo
Sent from my iPad

On Mar 10, 2013, at 2:10 PM, "Claire M Jordan" <whitehound@...> wrote:

> From: liz williams
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 5:50 PM
> Subject: Re: Re: What happened to the "
> traitors' " wives?
>
> > Lovell's wife was granted an annuity of £20 p.a. from the exchequer in
> > December 1489. She was still alive in 1495, when her interests were
> > protected in her husband's attainder.
>
> There's a website which calculates the spending power of money through the
> ages - I think £20 is about £13,000 now, because I know the £10 Henry spent
> on Richard's tombstone came to just under £6,500. It's not great riches but
> it's liveable, expecially if she didn't have to pay taxes on that.
>
>

I couldn't find anything on DNB about Percy's widow and Ratcliffe's widow appears to have taken the veil.
 
Liz

From: Ishita Bandyo <bandyoi@...>
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Sent: Monday, 11 March 2013, 1:48
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Did Ratcliffe or Percy widows get any such annuity?

Ishita Bandyo
Sent from my iPad

On Mar 10, 2013, at 2:10 PM, "Claire M Jordan" <mailto:whitehound%40madasafish.com> wrote:

> From: liz williams
> To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 5:50 PM
> Subject: Re: Re: What happened to the "
> traitors' " wives?
>
> > Lovell's wife was granted an annuity of £20 p.a. from the exchequer in
> > December 1489. She was still alive in 1495, when her interests were
> > protected in her husband's attainder.
>
> There's a website which calculates the spending power of money through the
> ages - I think £20 is about £13,000 now, because I know the £10 Henry spent
> on Richard's tombstone came to just under £6,500. It's not great riches but
> it's liveable, expecially if she didn't have to pay taxes on that.
>
>

Liz, thanks!

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On Mar 11, 2013, at 8:06 AM, liz williams <ferrymansdaughter@...> wrote:

> I couldn't find anything on DNB about Percy's widow and Ratcliffe's widow appears to have taken the veil.
>
> Liz
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> From: Ishita Bandyo <bandyoi@...>
> To: ">
> Sent: Monday, 11 March 2013, 1:48
> Subject: Re: Re: What happened to the " traitors' " wives?
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> Did Ratcliffe or Percy widows get any such annuity?
>
> Ishita Bandyo
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Mar 10, 2013, at 2:10 PM, "Claire M Jordan" <mailto:whitehound%40madasafish.com> wrote:
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> > From: liz williams
> > To: mailto:%40yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 5:50 PM
> > Subject: Re: Re: What happened to the "
> > traitors' " wives?
> >
> > > Lovell's wife was granted an annuity of £20 p.a. from the exchequer in
> > > December 1489. She was still alive in 1495, when her interests were
> > > protected in her husband's attainder.
> >
> > There's a website which calculates the spending power of money through the
> > ages - I think £20 is about £13,000 now, because I know the £10 Henry spent
> > on Richard's tombstone came to just under £6,500. It's not great riches but
> > it's liveable, expecially if she didn't have to pay taxes on that.
> >
> >
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